Breaking Open a Sealed 1989 Topps Traded TIFFANY Set for the Ken Griffey RC w/ Financial Breakdown

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  • @chadtellevik5479
    @chadtellevik5479 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    With all the hype on Dion, anything could happen. Thanks for sharing.

    • @videoluvr4204
      @videoluvr4204 ปีที่แล้ว

      yea, good timing for Deion sellers

    • @Billionaireben
      @Billionaireben 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had so many Dion's from this Tiffany set, 9's went for hardly anything.

  • @fjf6050
    @fjf6050 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    More collection buying breakdowns like this please.

  • @snerdterguson
    @snerdterguson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Always loved the 89 traded Ryan. Card just pops.

  • @Bradydog-in7ut
    @Bradydog-in7ut ปีที่แล้ว +10

    That’s the gamble you take by opening the box. Back in 1989, Topps didn’t concern itself with centering cards. If you go by the date PSA started tightening up it’s grading standards ( they use to be more forgiving on centering if the card was perfect and not to off-center), there are not many “10”‘a been handed out for this card.

  • @ilovecake1310
    @ilovecake1310 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Man I was always so amazed by Jim Abbott. Making it to the MLB with only 1 hand!?!

    • @crimplemania
      @crimplemania ปีที่แล้ว +2

      throwing a perfect game with one hand!

  • @matthewwalk
    @matthewwalk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This type of video is fun! Thank you for putting it together. 🤜🏼🤛🏼

  • @Intensity-qz2jx
    @Intensity-qz2jx ปีที่แล้ว +6

    By PSA's grading written standards, you have a chance to get 10 with 40/60 centering.

    • @elliotbarlas
      @elliotbarlas ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I keep thinking that as well as I watch. The Nolan Ryan in particular looks outstanding.

  • @farlow126
    @farlow126 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Deion Sanders has been really hot lately because of his coaching success at Colorado.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hopefully can catch that wave :)

    • @farlow126
      @farlow126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@collectorinvestordealer not me. I don’t own any. I am a Bo Jackson guy myself.😄

  • @intersheett3754
    @intersheett3754 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Nolan Ryan definitely looks to be within the 60/40 range for which a PSA 10 is possible. It doesn't look off center to me?

    • @Billionaireben
      @Billionaireben 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      60/40 is rarely considered for 10, I think they just put that up so if they mis grade something for a friend (lol, they'd never do that) they have an excuse to save face.

  • @Johndeplume.
    @Johndeplume. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for putting this together, and also with the breakdown. Look forward to hearing how the grades come back in due course, and hopefully more of this content. Best of luck. 👍

  • @dagrcards3075
    @dagrcards3075 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was nice to see that iconic card pulled.out of a freshly sealed box. Gooduxk.on your grading!!

  • @Philly_Joe
    @Philly_Joe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks! Really appreciate you doing these analysis. I keep all checklist cards I pull....especially modern cards with a picture on the front and the checklist on the back. Have a great one!

  • @jimfree0
    @jimfree0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know it's rare to watch you doing this, opening vintage product, but it's very interesting to watch your care with the cards and hear your years of experience tick out as stream-of-conscious voiceover. Hopefully viewing of the video will get you to break even soon enough that you might consider this kind of video again.

    • @wayneadler3451
      @wayneadler3451 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wouldn’t call 1988 Tiffany vintage

  • @JoseBeltran-qc9jp
    @JoseBeltran-qc9jp ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice cards you still have the rest of the set 12 cards and you you may be down if dion a 10 you have a nice hit thanks for sharing

  • @mookiechillson
    @mookiechillson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dang. It’s amazing topps put all this effort into creating a “collectors” edition set and the centering is still so off. Thanks for sharing this - so useful to see the downers along with the big upside deals.

  • @adamlee1562
    @adamlee1562 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Today's Hobby lesson in NEVER EVER open sealed/previously unopened product is brought to you by... Chris! Thanks for taking a chance anyway Chris, and showing us what you meant when you've said in the past it is typically a bad idea.

  • @iNeverHadMercy
    @iNeverHadMercy ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ALWAYS a joy.....but also a gamble opening NOS card boxes 😶💰

  • @ricecakejohnson
    @ricecakejohnson ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think both the Nolan Ryan and Randy Johnson cards have a shot at PSA 10. We all know there are wayyyy worse centering that has gotten 10s from PSA. PSA allow the centering to be a bit off, so I would definitely send those cards in. At worst, I think both cards come back 9s(if so, you are not losing money anyways).

  • @ras124
    @ras124 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Loved Kent Tekulve back in the day

    • @pocketaces6756
      @pocketaces6756 ปีที่แล้ว

      I met Kent as a kid, he was really nice to me. Good dude.

  • @crimplemania
    @crimplemania ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Randy looks pretty centered to me....

    • @madman7878
      @madman7878 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought so too. Within PSAs 60/40 no?

    • @celebratedfamilycards1802
      @celebratedfamilycards1802 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree as well, I would send it to get graded.

    • @1ozmoz834
      @1ozmoz834 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      it really is. Chris should re-consider that Johnson for PSA

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good call, I might give it a shot

  • @BobMarley-ol6xt
    @BobMarley-ol6xt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would have opened it also with the box damaged like that .I feel that was a headache waiting to happen.Thanks for sharing.

  • @cardmanjohn4916
    @cardmanjohn4916 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:47, is that not Bert? He’s in the hall isn’t he? Great cards, love the throwbacks.

  • @Dtownrelics2
    @Dtownrelics2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was a very cool video to watch. Thanks Chris for sharing.

  • @brandoncripps
    @brandoncripps ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I saw a Darren Rovell tweet with prices of PSA 10 Deion Score rookies - steadily increasing from $560 in late August to over $1300 in late September. Maybe the Prime iron will still be hot when you get this one back from grading!

  • @MichaelHeibel-ms8dc
    @MichaelHeibel-ms8dc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You forgot one HOFer: Bert Blyleven. Great and informative video!

  • @tonyalmeida8231
    @tonyalmeida8231 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I mainly watch for the technical aspects!

  • @sw1217
    @sw1217 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good luck with the grading

  • @wheatie99
    @wheatie99 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You missed the Bert Blyleven. He is in the Hall of Fame…

    • @CountDracura
      @CountDracura ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No respect!

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Also, 5th all-time in strike outs. 3,701. Pretty impressive.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good catch! My apologies to Mr. Blyleven.

  • @elizabethwiggins3849
    @elizabethwiggins3849 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have those two cards plus 15 or more Ken Griffey cards. Last year I opened the 1988, 89,90's packs that I have.

  • @jeremystark3350
    @jeremystark3350 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Found a BGS 9 of the Griffey tiffany rc at a show last year, I paid $275 for it. Glad to see it is close to a $400 card. Will keep in my pc, not for sale. 😄

  • @tommayrant2279
    @tommayrant2279 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Abbott has an UD card that showcases him as the league's "best left-handed pitcher". Good thing Jim has a great sense of humor.

  • @davidbrasfield6720
    @davidbrasfield6720 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Hope Deion gets a 10 for you.

    • @Famdoc1000
      @Famdoc1000 ปีที่แล้ว

      60-40 side to side

  • @LaGroove82
    @LaGroove82 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good stuff, Happy Saturday!

  • @Vintage_Dave_T
    @Vintage_Dave_T ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’d bet Dion Sanders cards are increasing in value due to his recent coaching success at Colorado. Hurry. Hurry.

  • @randyworden5232
    @randyworden5232 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tiffany sets are very under appreciated. Good way to get value from some good junk era players.

  • @farlow126
    @farlow126 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for sharing the box opening.
    I don’t consider the Randy Johnson or Jim Abbott traded a RC since they have a card in the base set.

    • @snerdterguson
      @snerdterguson ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It is a rookie card, just not the true rookie. But it is every bit a Rookie as the 89 UD, Donruss, Fleer Griffey.

    • @farlow126
      @farlow126 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@snerdterguson OK, I guess I can go along with that. But just like me, it is just an opinion.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, the better term is probably Rookie-year card

    • @snerdterguson
      @snerdterguson ปีที่แล้ว

      @@farlow126 It isn’t an opinion. A rookie card is a rookie card. The thing you bring up is precisely why there’s a TRUE rookie. You’re disagreeing with a fact here. Saying you don’t consider it a rookie card is like saying you don’t consider 4 to be more than one.

    • @farlow126
      @farlow126 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@snerdterguson There are many different opinions on what constitutes a rookie card. I do not consider a update or traded card a rookie card if they have a base card just like Dr. James Beckett has for 40 plus years. The 82 Topps Traded Ripken is not considered a RC card in the eyes of Beckett and many collectors. This is the same exact case as the Randy Johnson and Abbott in the 89 Traded set. You saying that these cards are factually RC cards is laughable. Who is the baseball card god that made it so?😂

  • @johnbyram1841
    @johnbyram1841 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Might this be a circumstance where you'd also want to check the PSA population report for this set to determine what other cards might be worth sending in for grading? There are a number of players with no 9s or 10s on the report for '89 Traded Tiffany. Worth a shot to have the best graded PSA example for resale even for a common player?

  • @celebratedfamilycards1802
    @celebratedfamilycards1802 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I realize you are there with the cards but the Griffey to me does not look off center a lot. A little yes but I think it has a chance! Great breakdown!

  • @JamesMunge
    @JamesMunge ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wasn't that your favorite ROOKIE prospect @ the begining of the video?...❤...10!!

  • @NippyNap2
    @NippyNap2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Send the Griffey into TAG. You would have a buyer here for it regardless of grade. Great video as always😊

    • @jakestoe
      @jakestoe ปีที่แล้ว

      They don't grade 1989 cards yet.

  • @benschroeder4036
    @benschroeder4036 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Okay, we definitely will need a follow up. Maybe not a whole video, but just an update on how the Deion came back.

  • @PennySleeveSteve
    @PennySleeveSteve ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Chris any chance that was you I seen walking around Towson last Tuesday?
    Love the break down of buying and selling thanks for sharing!

  • @matthewelliott2213
    @matthewelliott2213 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The devil on my shoulder that makes me open packs says they could have all been 10's and you'd be a genius for opening. All perspective imo.

  • @WilliamMedve
    @WilliamMedve 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just opened 40 packs of 1989 cards from an unopened box complete with gum half hour ago 430 am p.s.t. march 31st 2024. I have Jose Canseco,Mark McGwire, Pete Rose , Mike Schmidt, Ripken,Lasorda,Ozzie Smith 2 of them Maddux , Abbott, Murphy,Murray,Puckett, LaRussa

  • @RecessionUncle
    @RecessionUncle ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are the 1989 Topps Traded cards brighter than regular 1989 Topps? I found some Omar Vizquel Rookie cards and they looked brighter and felt smoother than some 1989 Topps cards I had, but I didn’t know if that was just the difference between 1989 Topps and 1989 Topps Traded. Do all Topps Tiffany cards have bubbles in the plastic on the front?

  • @KeyKiller74
    @KeyKiller74 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Coach prime coming in with another 'W' I have no doubt it will come in PSA 10. Now hit my theme music.🥁🎵🎶🎵💯

  • @henrywallace55555
    @henrywallace55555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bert Blyleven is a HOFer also... I know he ain't worth much but he's my favorite player so I have to point it out. Other than that this was an awesome video and I hope the Deion works out.

  • @Kinzey
    @Kinzey ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have this Topps Traded Tiffany Griffey in gorgeous condition. I want to get it graded by Beckett so I can get the subgrades and make it sell more than a PSA 10. I don't say this much but I think it has a real shot at getting the Black label, it's in that good of condition. I think I paid $20 for it at a card shop back in the 90s.

    • @richardbianco9674
      @richardbianco9674 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It won't sell for more unless you get a pristine, which is almost impossible. The beckett 9.5 doesn't sell for near as much.

  • @blueodum
    @blueodum ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You mentioned that Eddie Murray was the first HoFer and you set it aside, but I'm pretty sure I saw a Bert Blyleven earlier.

  • @Time2Rip
    @Time2Rip ปีที่แล้ว +1

    loosing money sucks, but opening it and going for it is way more fun.

  • @ACD1994
    @ACD1994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Deion Sanders cards are 'hot' atm. Even the, Ken Griffey Jr graded... would provide a nice boost. It's Griffey.
    Chris, are you going to be selling cards at the Silver Spring card show? Hope to see you there. Have a great show.

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I will be at a booth in Silver Spring, not sure if I will be selling or strictly buying

  • @goodned
    @goodned ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hopefully we get an update once you get the grades

  • @ASMRPeople
    @ASMRPeople ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The price of the wax and luck ultimately determined the chance of success. I often open cheap oddball wax for grading purposes. In that case you're hoping for a gem mint ryan or rose for the player set collectors. In that case what you pay for the wax is not important given it's cheap rather the discrimination of what you send in ultimately determines one success of the cheap vintage wax side.

  • @michaelbaron9387
    @michaelbaron9387 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder about the timing in the sanders, hiw much will it drop before it comes back from psa.

  • @Mr.JonDoE
    @Mr.JonDoE ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Also look a little harder at deion top bottom centering

  • @ChadRaush
    @ChadRaush ปีที่แล้ว +1

    60/40 is still technically a PSA 10 according to their standards. I’d take a shot with that Nolan.

  • @DarinsCards
    @DarinsCards ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A follow up video in a few months after everything has sold would be fun

  • @NuthinFancyCollectibles
    @NuthinFancyCollectibles ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tiffanys, even the commons, are not easy for everyone to acquire.

  • @misterdeol
    @misterdeol ปีที่แล้ว

    Your content is tremendous Chris! Keep it up!

  • @Paizley2004
    @Paizley2004 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I came across several different sports cards in large boxes and I would love to know how to sell these.

  • @threewheeler624
    @threewheeler624 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you for a good video. Nice cards regardless. Steer the ship... price the cards with the cost factored in. Shipping, grading, inflation, rarity, hype, hoopla, supply and demand and anything else. I don't let the buyer price the cards I sell. Granted some take a while to sell but by then everyone selling the card have also priced theirs just lower than my card... LMAO. Try not to shoot yourself in the foot right after leaving the gate. I have bought near Mint 8.

  • @peabra1n
    @peabra1n ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What online software do you use to see the psa pricing?

  • @tomace9767
    @tomace9767 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1:29 what website is that where you can track the sales per psa grade?

  • @gregorybenoit8526
    @gregorybenoit8526 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, Deion is hot right now. Hope you get the dime!

  • @Mr.JonDoE
    @Mr.JonDoE ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Randy / Ryan looked good to me

  • @criticalpurrs9722
    @criticalpurrs9722 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nolan looks pretty centered to me I’d have taken a chance and sent that one off

  • @robertmitchell5065
    @robertmitchell5065 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Blyleven was first hall of famer!

  • @Project88TTM
    @Project88TTM ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Jerome Walton might be worth sending to COMC. He and Gregg Olson were ROY that year.

  • @mefaenza
    @mefaenza ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PSA doesn't quite speak to this, but for cards where the centering is obvious to the eye, if it looks off centered, is going to max out at a 9. That said, if the Griffey is pretty great otherwise, I thought the centering was a 9 by PSA standards. If it hadn't come from a sealed box, I'd guess it's an 8. But I'm betting you'll be pleasantly surprised.

  • @jimbobrobertson3285
    @jimbobrobertson3285 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chris, please let me know if you sent any cards to Grade. And if you did, then what grades you got. Thanks for sharing, love the videos!!!!

  • @markb9061
    @markb9061 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hopefully there will be an updates on grades and values

  • @danielflynn5746
    @danielflynn5746 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You blew passed Bert Blyleven and came to Eddie Murray and said he was the 1st HOF'r, Bert was the first HOF you came across.

  • @MrSethAllen219
    @MrSethAllen219 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what service is that where it shows you the average sales? looks pretty cool

  • @Justicesdad
    @Justicesdad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Childhood memories

  • @DarinsCards
    @DarinsCards ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should send the Tom Gordon RC into COMC also, it is sold out and has a 2.50 SWP -- edit: never mind I see it on your list now 😂

  • @rtssportscards
    @rtssportscards ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bert was first HOF but probably not worth grading

  • @luke1jones
    @luke1jones ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think people overestimate the effect of centering on PSA grades. Of all the companies, they are the most generous with centering. Their standards permit a 60/40 card to get a 10 and worse centering can still get a 9.

  • @evandouglas5414
    @evandouglas5414 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love vids like this!

  • @SkylerSmith-o4p
    @SkylerSmith-o4p ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What website is Chris using to track the cards? I liked the interface and have had trouble finding a decent online collection tracker.

  • @mattingly234ever
    @mattingly234ever ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Alvaro Espinoza- hairstyle legend

  • @frankspicci9994
    @frankspicci9994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Chris. Did you use Alt or Card Ladder for the Pricing? Just Curious. I like the Pricing Format.

  • @joesantini1900
    @joesantini1900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm new to the process of getting my cards graded. Any advice on which company is best and is it better to send in cards (which I don't trust) or wait for in person grading at card shows?

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends on what cards you have and what your goals are. I have never had an issue sending cards through the mail to PSA, SGC, BGS, or CSG.

    • @joesantini1900
      @joesantini1900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@collectorinvestordealer I always worry that they'd switch out my 10 for a 9 or keep it and claim "lost in the mail". Also, on average, how much is it to grade each card? I have some good ones that definitely are worth grading that have sold for thousands.

  • @garthguibord8290
    @garthguibord8290 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just curious, as the Griffey might get a 9OC from PSA - do you specify to qualifiers?

    • @collectorinvestordealer
      @collectorinvestordealer  ปีที่แล้ว

      True, although PSA has been using qualifiers less and less lately. I don't specify qualifiers when I submit to PSA

  • @RichardRennes
    @RichardRennes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With your selling price range of the sealed sets being in the 500-700 range, and the shape of the box almost guaranteeing it to sell on the lower end, you probably should`ve only paid around 300 for the set.

  • @zipyaplebuns7732
    @zipyaplebuns7732 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing price gap between PSA 9and 10 on the Nolan Ryan.

  • @iunstoppable1
    @iunstoppable1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What site do you use for that average sales in each grade

  • @robintaylor-mockingeemill8223
    @robintaylor-mockingeemill8223 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Still trying to get ahold of you on the Austin Mathewes PSA 10 you just got .

  • @thesummerhummer
    @thesummerhummer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    whats the biggest hit you've pulled opening wax since you have become a dealer

  • @longlostsonicsfan
    @longlostsonicsfan ปีที่แล้ว +3

    PSA doesn’t give out 10s on cards like these anymore.

  • @richardbianco9674
    @richardbianco9674 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Remember now with psa a 10 60/40 on front and qualify and a 9 can be 65/35.

  • @rj-vj8gr
    @rj-vj8gr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    with sander population in cu. it might be a bump in price.

  • @stoneyj1a1
    @stoneyj1a1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They don't look very glossy. I thought Tiffany were glossy?

  • @tampahomeinvestorsllc7559
    @tampahomeinvestorsllc7559 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does anyone know why almost every 1990 Topps Tiffany hockey card has a massive crease running through the top front edge?

  • @TK-xo1vj
    @TK-xo1vj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interested in that Jerome Walton, Chris

    • @TK-xo1vj
      @TK-xo1vj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And that Rickey Henderson!

  • @therookiesplaybook
    @therookiesplaybook ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tiffany are brutal for centering

  • @campnorth9767
    @campnorth9767 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What software is that that tracks psa prices

  • @johnm1008
    @johnm1008 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Deion Sanders looks off center top to bottom to me. Or am I seeing thengs?

  • @Mardigrasman23
    @Mardigrasman23 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would think with all the hype around deon right now. That card may spike

  • @jamiepike6909
    @jamiepike6909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would that bent flap not be a warning about being searched?

    • @rambler1475
      @rambler1475 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Factory sealed

    • @jamiepike6909
      @jamiepike6909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rambler1475 does it normally have cellophane sealing the box?

    • @rambler1475
      @rambler1475 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jamiepike6909listen to the first 20 seconds of the video

    • @ACD1994
      @ACD1994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was probably bought ''as is.'' So, it's a complete set, but the condition of the cards varied.

    • @jamiepike6909
      @jamiepike6909 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ACD1994 but then everyone would pick out a good Griffey and put in a worse one?

  • @dylanlowe4035
    @dylanlowe4035 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Out of curiosity, why not send them all into COMC and get at least $1-$2 each?