I have never run a Zenoah chainsaw but, I do own a Zenoah stringline trimmer. I typically use it between 1.5 -2.0 hours each time I cut the lawn. It hasn't even needed the fuel line or spark plug changed in almost 40 years of very hard use. I'm talking about cutting blackberry bushes, and 7' high thisel. It is undoubtably the best small engine piece of power equipment I have ever owned. I do own 2 G2500 Zenoah clone saws, they have a number of issues, but their small size, make them a blast to use.
True.... I remember racing Bultaco's when the first "Orange" TM400 Suzuki's came out, they would HURT you....the "never" happened when the RM, YZ and that revolutionary Elsinore! I was on 250 & 400 Maico's when that happened, & 420 KTM's when water cooling happened with the rm125 in 1982. My 86 Cr's were the best motorcycles I ever owned. Then raced thru the 90's on the red machines when the Euro's were "never" going to compete again..... and test rode the pumpkins of the early 2000's and look where KTM went this last ten years or so. Now the cycle is headed back across the Pacific with the new Honda's & Yamaha's
Hi from Germany! The original have closed ports cylinders! Not opened … I have many Models of the originals. I have Hitachi cs40em, Tanaka ecv 5601, Zenoah G 500 avs…. All great original saws and runs great. 💪🏼👍🏼
I just got done using my two no name clones for six hours solid. Most of it noodling, and cutting white oak. No complaints here. I'm on my fourth year with them.
The price is exactly what drove me to buy clones. Not a professional, but wanted to experience larger saws. Now have four, to tinker with. If I had bought name brand, don’t know if I’d be as willing to modify them. Enjoy seeing what others in the saw community do with theirs, encourages me to try it on my own.
my chainsaw chainsaw top handle zenoah clone has a very good rep... mine fell 40 feet and all that happened was the suspension was out of place front and back... 25cc... some yters have run them for years and they seem to go the distance too
I’ve been saying the same thing, imo the clone saws are a great saw for the price, and they must be ok when ppl are comparing a 300$ saw to a 1200$ saw 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I bought a couple of these cheap clones to get into porting/modding saws, IDK if I screw up a 150 dollar saw, I'll just get another and start over. I have an actual 61.5cc version of that clone, it was a timberpro. I wrecked the crank, junked it and used the better plastic off it on a cheap supmix that runs great but has crap plastics. The 62cc saw sucks tho, I put the smaller 45.2mm top end on it making it 54.5cc and faster. The 48mm bore cylinder has smaller transfers and a non windowed piston, it just cant rev. You can still get the 48mm cylinder on allexpress but I wouldnt bother. They stopped making them 62cc 4-5 years ago, why bother when the smaller one runs better lol.
Free trade. You can't trade with countrys that pay there employees pennies a day and compete. Sadly they kept prices low and drove out the competition and then raised the prices@
For displacement? No. No one does, and if they do they are doing it wrong. I've heard that some of the Chinese manufacturers claim this to be how they measure displacement. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Either way- it is wrong. That's like measuring the length of your foot by measuring the length of the boot. It is a lie. Your foot isn't 14 inches long, your boot is. Get my drift?
The way I see it, if the governments meddling makes gas powered saws too expensive to get from a big brand because of their hard-on for electric I'll just buy a Chinese clone. I know people like to complain about the Chinese copying what has already been done. But the way I see it they're continuing to produce a design that was proven so someone like myself is able to buy one new at a much lower price. There's a reason why everyone's favorite tools with proven designs are no longer made and that reason has three letters for a name. I went shopping around for a large displacement saw for the last two weeks or longer only to find what I was looking for was WAY out of my budget. Especially for something that I won't be using as often as my smaller saws. I've also looked around for decent used saws of the size I'm looking for and even those aren't priced any better. Plus you're now having to take someone's word that what they're selling you is functioning properly. So in my case one or two of the Chinese Stihl clones would be perfect. If regular care gives me the same longevity as my MS251 then I'm all for a Chinese clone. It may not be an actual Stihl, but it still looks like one and gives me the feeling of owning something I normally wouldn't be able to afford. :)
Think of it this way. If enough people buy the cheap knockoff units and cheap knockoff replacement parts, eventually that eats into the margins of the good makers and puts them in a tough decision. Either watch as their sales volume continues to dwindle to ultimate failure of the company altogether, and/or cheapen their own products to try to compete and delay what could be inevitable. They are doing both and it is starting to show. Soon you wont be able to purchase a good one except at a highly elevated price because they no longer sell enough volume of units to have efficiencies in R&D and production and eventually they shut down completely. Okay if Stihl, Echo, Husqy cannot afford R&D anymore, who will invent the next improvement for others to copy for next to nothing of their own R&D costs? It is a death spiral, a race for the bottom and it will all be junk eventually. Your choice, purchase one that will last for years, the rest of your life it you buy a commercial version for homeowner use and store it properly being meticulous with fuel mix, and container cleanliness or continue to usher in the collapse. Vote with your purchasing decisions. Battery electric outdoor equipment will be the biggest disaster ever. We will be purchaing millions of batteries each year because people will not pay attention to how they are treating batteries and will ruin them prematurely. Imagine what a commercial lawn crew will have to charge when they are buying 20 units, $5k worth of batteries each season instead of $2500 worth of gasoline/oil and at the same time their productivity drops by 1/3 messing around with all those batteries. And they will all have to construct fire containment sheds to charge batteries, unattended, overnight because of the cost to charge in the daytime being higher. Run it till the power drops off a bit but dont run it completely flat, let it cool, charge it at a low charge rate to 80%, let it cool again, then you can use it again. Or you can run it hotter than hell and replace it in 2 months when the capacity is half what it originally was, and that is what most will do with batteries. The manufacturers will not be able to keep up with the volume of replacements. And there will be mountains of tortured batteries that somehow have to find their way back to a recycler, and they will all have to be safely disabled before they can be shipped without high risk of a massive fountain of white hot metal at any given moment. That recycle chain could end up costing nearly as much as the original production did. Somebody will have to pay for that recycling. Think half the cost of a battery added on as a core charge. This whole green thing has not been thought through. Keep your gasoline engines in good shape and get replacement parts while you can, you will have to go back to them, if you have them.
Why would anyone “embrace” corporate market takeover and corporatocracy? I don’t know anyone that is denying the fact that big business is now deciding what we have access to but why embrace it? The same people that told us logging is bad under the umbrella of environmentalism (hint, it’s an actual renewable resource) is now advocating strip mining (which is not) for batteries under the green umbrella. Why? Because it’s more profitable! Sad that many can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. Can anyone say $600 batteries? 🤦🏻♂️
D, I know it can be difficult to see past our own limited knowledge. But there are sooooo many different options oth being explored currently as well as yet to be. The ONLY reason we have not developed a new source of energy is because we rely on the ease and convenience of fossil fuels. Have faith in our scientists. They will find a better solution than lithium. I mea...currently, viruses- yes, viruses are being explored as a material for use in battery technology. If we were handed today's technology 30 years ago, we'd freak out. But it has been unveiled in tiny pieces over decades and that makes it easier for us to accept. In the next 30 years...our minds will be blown.
They said the same thing about their cars. Toyota, Datsun, Subaru, they were all garbage. Same with their amps and guitars. Look where everything is made now.
You are not wrong my friend. The cost of living is going up tremendously and there will always be a market for the cheaper cloned stuff. The Chinese stuff will eventually take over the markets but it's a slow game.... I wonder how long it will be before all stihl and Husky OE parts are made in China? They will eventually have to go that route to stay competitively priced.... I can say that while I like the reliability of my OE shindaiwa, echo, husqvarna equip, I also absolutely love my clones too... As they have afforded me the opportunity to own/experience classics like the ms660/440 and the husky 395/372 and be able to port them without the worry of messing up expensive cylinders etc. Farmertec parts are so cheap.. Value for money Imo is good and it will only improve in the future I think.... A good time for tinkerers and all chainsaw porters or enthusiasts alike.... We shall see what the future brings.
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I have never run a Zenoah chainsaw but, I do own a Zenoah stringline trimmer. I typically use it between 1.5 -2.0 hours each time I cut the lawn. It hasn't even needed the fuel line or spark plug changed in almost 40 years of very hard use. I'm talking about cutting blackberry bushes, and 7' high thisel. It is undoubtably the best small engine piece of power equipment I have ever owned. I do own 2 G2500 Zenoah clone saws, they have a number of issues, but their small size, make them a blast to use.
True.... I remember racing Bultaco's when the first "Orange" TM400 Suzuki's came out, they would HURT you....the "never" happened when the RM, YZ and that revolutionary Elsinore! I was on 250 & 400 Maico's when that happened, & 420 KTM's when water cooling happened with the rm125 in 1982. My 86 Cr's were the best motorcycles I ever owned. Then raced thru the 90's on the red machines when the Euro's were "never" going to compete again..... and test rode the pumpkins of the early 2000's and look where KTM went this last ten years or so. Now the cycle is headed back across the Pacific with the new Honda's & Yamaha's
Hi from Germany!
The original have closed ports cylinders! Not opened …
I have many Models of the originals. I have Hitachi cs40em, Tanaka ecv 5601, Zenoah G 500 avs….
All great original saws and runs great.
💪🏼👍🏼
I just got done using my two no name clones for six hours solid. Most of it noodling, and cutting white oak. No complaints here. I'm on my fourth year with them.
Good video Bow,always appreciate your rambling!
The price is exactly what drove me to buy clones. Not a professional, but wanted to experience larger saws. Now have four, to tinker with. If I had bought name brand, don’t know if I’d be as willing to modify them.
Enjoy seeing what others in the saw community do with theirs, encourages me to try it on my own.
I remember the first clone saws as being the 070 stihl and 365 husky
Better than totally seeing a proven platform dissappear IMO!
my chainsaw chainsaw top handle zenoah clone has a very good rep... mine fell 40 feet and all that happened was the suspension was out of place front and back... 25cc... some yters have run them for years and they seem to go the distance too
👍👍 I’ll be the first in line to buy a Chustang with a bad coil, starter, leaking gas cap and bad oiler! 🤪
Looks so much like a 254,257,262 from Husqvarna.
Let’s goooo thanks for the wemars vid
There's more tomorrow, just for you buddy!
@@novicelumberjack hell yeah
I’ve been saying the same thing, imo the clone saws are a great saw for the price, and they must be ok when ppl are comparing a 300$ saw to a 1200$ saw 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Oh that is a familiar chassis and its a dog to work on. Almost as bad as a stihl to work on..hehe
I bought a couple of these cheap clones to get into porting/modding saws, IDK if I screw up a 150 dollar saw, I'll just get another and start over.
I have an actual 61.5cc version of that clone, it was a timberpro. I wrecked the crank, junked it and used the better plastic off it on a cheap supmix that runs great but has crap plastics.
The 62cc saw sucks tho, I put the smaller 45.2mm top end on it making it 54.5cc and faster.
The 48mm bore cylinder has smaller transfers and a non windowed piston, it just cant rev. You can still get the 48mm cylinder on allexpress but I wouldnt bother.
They stopped making them 62cc 4-5 years ago, why bother when the smaller one runs better lol.
Gd vid. I would get a Wemars, but my 4910 is the most reliable saw I’ve ever owned. Mayb if it dies one day.
U don't happen 2 have a fuel cap for a bluemax layn around do ya?
Free trade. You can't trade with countrys that pay there employees pennies a day and compete. Sadly they kept prices low and drove out the competition and then raised the prices@
Do you include the combustion chamber in your measurement or just bore and stroke
For displacement? No. No one does, and if they do they are doing it wrong. I've heard that some of the Chinese manufacturers claim this to be how they measure displacement. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Either way- it is wrong. That's like measuring the length of your foot by measuring the length of the boot. It is a lie. Your foot isn't 14 inches long, your boot is. Get my drift?
@@novicelumberjackThats the only spot I could see them getting more cc’s
The way I see it, if the governments meddling makes gas powered saws too expensive to get from a big brand because of their hard-on for electric I'll just buy a Chinese clone. I know people like to complain about the Chinese copying what has already been done. But the way I see it they're continuing to produce a design that was proven so someone like myself is able to buy one new at a much lower price. There's a reason why everyone's favorite tools with proven designs are no longer made and that reason has three letters for a name.
I went shopping around for a large displacement saw for the last two weeks or longer only to find what I was looking for was WAY out of my budget. Especially for something that I won't be using as often as my smaller saws. I've also looked around for decent used saws of the size I'm looking for and even those aren't priced any better. Plus you're now having to take someone's word that what they're selling you is functioning properly.
So in my case one or two of the Chinese Stihl clones would be perfect. If regular care gives me the same longevity as my MS251 then I'm all for a Chinese clone. It may not be an actual Stihl, but it still looks like one and gives me the feeling of owning something I normally wouldn't be able to afford. :)
Yeah, I could see that if Japan was making the clones
Good video sir
Think of it this way. If enough people buy the cheap knockoff units and cheap knockoff replacement parts, eventually that eats into the margins of the good makers and puts them in a tough decision. Either watch as their sales volume continues to dwindle to ultimate failure of the company altogether, and/or cheapen their own products to try to compete and delay what could be inevitable. They are doing both and it is starting to show. Soon you wont be able to purchase a good one except at a highly elevated price because they no longer sell enough volume of units to have efficiencies in R&D and production and eventually they shut down completely. Okay if Stihl, Echo, Husqy cannot afford R&D anymore, who will invent the next improvement for others to copy for next to nothing of their own R&D costs? It is a death spiral, a race for the bottom and it will all be junk eventually. Your choice, purchase one that will last for years, the rest of your life it you buy a commercial version for homeowner use and store it properly being meticulous with fuel mix, and container cleanliness or continue to usher in the collapse. Vote with your purchasing decisions.
Battery electric outdoor equipment will be the biggest disaster ever. We will be purchaing millions of batteries each year because people will not pay attention to how they are treating batteries and will ruin them prematurely. Imagine what a commercial lawn crew will have to charge when they are buying 20 units, $5k worth of batteries each season instead of $2500 worth of gasoline/oil and at the same time their productivity drops by 1/3 messing around with all those batteries. And they will all have to construct fire containment sheds to charge batteries, unattended, overnight because of the cost to charge in the daytime being higher.
Run it till the power drops off a bit but dont run it completely flat, let it cool, charge it at a low charge rate to 80%, let it cool again, then you can use it again. Or you can run it hotter than hell and replace it in 2 months when the capacity is half what it originally was, and that is what most will do with batteries. The manufacturers will not be able to keep up with the volume of replacements. And there will be mountains of tortured batteries that somehow have to find their way back to a recycler, and they will all have to be safely disabled before they can be shipped without high risk of a massive fountain of white hot metal at any given moment. That recycle chain could end up costing nearly as much as the original production did. Somebody will have to pay for that recycling. Think half the cost of a battery added on as a core charge. This whole green thing has not been thought through. Keep your gasoline engines in good shape and get replacement parts while you can, you will have to go back to them, if you have them.
Why would anyone “embrace” corporate market takeover and corporatocracy? I don’t know anyone that is denying the fact that big business is now deciding what we have access to but why embrace it? The same people that told us logging is bad under the umbrella of environmentalism (hint, it’s an actual renewable resource) is now advocating strip mining (which is not) for batteries under the green umbrella. Why? Because it’s more profitable! Sad that many can’t seem to see the forest for the trees. Can anyone say $600 batteries? 🤦🏻♂️
D, I know it can be difficult to see past our own limited knowledge. But there are sooooo many different options oth being explored currently as well as yet to be. The ONLY reason we have not developed a new source of energy is because we rely on the ease and convenience of fossil fuels. Have faith in our scientists. They will find a better solution than lithium. I mea...currently, viruses- yes, viruses are being explored as a material for use in battery technology. If we were handed today's technology 30 years ago, we'd freak out. But it has been unveiled in tiny pieces over decades and that makes it easier for us to accept. In the next 30 years...our minds will be blown.
nuff said
You just may get your wish Boedy things are about to change. NESARA GESARA is going to be a game changer I beleive. We'll see. Have a great day.
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I believe the Husq 350 is an open port
They said the same thing about their cars. Toyota, Datsun, Subaru, they were all garbage. Same with their amps and guitars. Look where everything is made now.
You are not wrong my friend. The cost of living is going up tremendously and there will always be a market for the cheaper cloned stuff. The Chinese stuff will eventually take over the markets but it's a slow game.... I wonder how long it will be before all stihl and Husky OE parts are made in China? They will eventually have to go that route to stay competitively priced.... I can say that while I like the reliability of my OE shindaiwa, echo, husqvarna equip, I also absolutely love my clones too... As they have afforded me the opportunity to own/experience classics like the ms660/440 and the husky 395/372 and be able to port them without the worry of messing up expensive cylinders etc. Farmertec parts are so cheap.. Value for money Imo is good and it will only improve in the future I think.... A good time for tinkerers and all chainsaw porters or enthusiasts alike.... We shall see what the future brings.