Personally I like the pre New52 Red Robin costume, the only thing I would replace is the cowl, if you switch the cowl with a domino mask, it’s not a bad really costume.
The whole thing was badass. The new 52 fucked up Red Robin, he doesn’t even have a Red Robin suit anymore and now he’s blatantly just Robin. There was an alternate Red Robin suit that appeared in 2 issues of the pre 52 Red Robin run that had a mask that didn’t cover his hair or fore head but still looked like the cowl and it was sick
@@HoboTheHenry What’s weirder is that dc doing even try to bring the pre flashpoint costume back, but would rather have Tim being Robin and wear his Robin costume, but when Damian is in Gotham, he’ll go by Red Robin to avoid confusion, and I here like “Just bring back the pre flashpoint Red Robin with a few changes!!”. And it’s been that way since the beginning of rebirth
@@HoboTheHenry yea, late pre flashpoint especially with the 2003 run of Teen Titans and his Red Robin series was when he peaked. Not even Tim Drake either but the core four peaked in 2003 Teen Titans run(despite that some people didn’t like some changes such as Bart being Kid Flash)
I don’t know why but it’s like I was watching the live action titans show because what they both have in common is that both members of their own teams are either arguing with each other or isolating themselves from one another. Their relationships with each other are a mess, both Tim Drake (New52) and Dick Grayson (titans tv show) are always leaving their team to do their own thing instead of being a leader, manipulating their team, and being asses. And not to mention, both this and the show is trying way too hard to be dark and edgy rather than actually focusing on character development and story.
Huh come to think of it that comparison between the titans tv show and new 52 teen Titans actually makes a tons of sense when you think about it that way.
@Xander G. Interesting, I haven't watched the live action show but you've definitely described my problems with this comic so I even more don't want to now.
I have such heavy nostalgia goggles for this one. This was the first comic series I got into weekly. Bunker is my favorite new hero of the run they introduced. I’d love to see the character re-explored with the lantern crew over titans, bc if I remember they say it’s “Psionic constructs,” but I’d like a more star sapphire angle more. Don’t be lazy and give him a ring, but maybe explore the idea of “organic conduits,” [of extra dimensional energy] like we saw touched upon in the Minute War Flash story. 🤷🏼♂️
Also the whole Jon lane kent nonsense in the new 52 was so stupid and garbage to the point that it took basically to miracle for somebody get rid of this imposter but unfortunately the damage was done tp the point that the new 52 superboy book got cancelled and was never heard from ever again.
Actually, in the single published issues, the past Titans are referenced. It was in the TPBs that the references were removed. i actually liked the initial story arc here and the Blinded by the Light arc in the DCYou series. KNOWHERE is from Morrison's Doom Patrol as well as Danny the Street. Basically, the TT here fights the Ant Farm from Morrison's DP. I also liked Tim's origin here the best and loved how Cassie's armor is basically Witchblade. But Bart sucks.
Personally I am glad the new 52 Tim drake robin history got thrown out the window during rebirth because my god this new Origin for Tim drake robin was so bad and garbage.
My understanding was that in a few other early New 52 stories, earlier versions of the titans were referenced, but in this series they were always intended to be the first, but I haven't read the original single issues of this series. I'm personally fine with Tim's origin here, I think it works for the character, but I felt Tim mostly acted like an ass throughout this series so I didn't like him. Definitely prefer the Tim from the Robin comics I grew up with.
@@CaptainAway I went back to the single issues and compared them with the trade. They were referenced in the single issues. Also, the earlier team was referenced in Red Hood and the Outlaws. There was even a news story about it on Newsarama where the writer mocked the redacted references with a 1984 reference. I prefer Tim as a personality more than an origin. Although this one is cleaner, more worthy of adaptation.
ah the good ol days when I first got into comics. in fact I just reread them all lol The first 14 issues and annual are competent enough, I think they did a good job slowly building the characters and you could see the team starting to come together. But Once death in the family hits it just kind of collapses, I'm pretty sure it was probably editorial mandates that made the book fall off a cliff in the second half with it being sucked into death of the family and forever evil (which was used pretty well to get us to kid flash's arc) But it's easy to see that things never went to Lobdell's plans, he set up some stuff with Waller and skitter mom to be future stories, Trigon just vanished cause hey look a company wide crossover is here and this needs to be finished so I can tie into it. And then the death knell of cancellation and the forced rushed ending to harvest in the annual. There is some great ideas in this book and clearly Lobdell had a plan and for 14 issues imo it worked but then as is the problem with most modern day comics, company mandates and crossover hell destroyed any semblance of the story the writer was trying to tell and DC and Marvel wonder why they're doing so badly nowadays.
I agree that it was probably publishing and editorial staff decisions that largely killed this. I was actually down to find out where Lobdell was heading with the series, and as much as I didn't like it, it was at least more cohesive and readable under his writing than it was afterwards. This really is what killed so many of the New 52 books in my opinion, they started out introducing mysteries and potential plot lines, but DC got scared about sales and all of that was abandoned for crossovers and big events in the hopes that short term sales numbers would be more meaningful than lasting, well made content.
I never was a fan of the new 52 Tim drake robin suit because it looks really stupid and feels like falcon then Tim drake robin but that’s just my opinion.
I never was a fan of the new 52 teen titans because my god this series was so bad and destroyed my favorite characters Tim drake robin superboy Conner Kent and wonder girl Cassie sandsmark for garbage stories.
I think possibly a lot of people would've felt that way about this comic, and definitely anyone would be hard pressed to argue this was in anyway better than Teen Titans we had in the past.
@@CaptainAway indeed and to make it even worse this book ruined raven character by having her work with her father trigon willingly which isn't raven's character at all.
Yeah, I read that Scott Lobdell didn't like Raven as a character, which is why she wasn't initially on the team, and he only even did an eventual story arc with her due to their being a lot of fan demand for her joining the team
@@CaptainAway figures why am I not surprised of course he hates raven as a character, which could explain why he wrote her so badly and treated her like garbage. Which is just mess up and a big slap in the face for people like me who love raven and her story with the teen titans and to treat this character with that much disrespect feels like somebody like him shouldn't be even around to write teen titans from the very beginning at least in my opinion.
The main thing I feeling like I'm learning from reading through all of the New 52 is that I have no idea why Scott Lobdell was given so much of it to write.
Stay away from that next series. Back when I was getting into comics I've read part of that and it's among some of the worst stuff I've read, ever. Only worse new 52 book I've read was secret six.
@@Jfleming321 I would've liked to see more development on the silent armor, but it felt glossed over to me. Most of the series' storylines just got so quickly abandoned.
I'm on a Boat was never cool, Uncle Captain Away. I need to know so much more about this transgender street. Man.....these guys don't appreciate he's broke.
You know, you may be right. I was comparing it in my head to some others series that I liked even less and thinking, "well, it wasn't as bad as that," but just looking at in on its own it maybe deserved a Very Low.
Personally I like the pre New52 Red Robin costume, the only thing I would replace is the cowl, if you switch the cowl with a domino mask, it’s not a bad really costume.
The whole thing was badass. The new 52 fucked up Red Robin, he doesn’t even have a Red Robin suit anymore and now he’s blatantly just Robin. There was an alternate Red Robin suit that appeared in 2 issues of the pre 52 Red Robin run that had a mask that didn’t cover his hair or fore head but still looked like the cowl and it was sick
@@HoboTheHenry What’s weirder is that dc doing even try to bring the pre flashpoint costume back, but would rather have Tim being Robin and wear his Robin costume, but when Damian is in Gotham, he’ll go by Red Robin to avoid confusion, and I here like “Just bring back the pre flashpoint Red Robin with a few changes!!”. And it’s been that way since the beginning of rebirth
@@xanderg.1070 Tim Drake after new 52 is a shadow of his former self
@@HoboTheHenry yea, late pre flashpoint especially with the 2003 run of Teen Titans and his Red Robin series was when he peaked. Not even Tim Drake either but the core four peaked in 2003 Teen Titans run(despite that some people didn’t like some changes such as Bart being Kid Flash)
I don’t know why but it’s like I was watching the live action titans show because what they both have in common is that both members of their own teams are either arguing with each other or isolating themselves from one another. Their relationships with each other are a mess, both Tim Drake (New52) and Dick Grayson (titans tv show) are always leaving their team to do their own thing instead of being a leader, manipulating their team, and being asses. And not to mention, both this and the show is trying way too hard to be dark and edgy rather than actually focusing on character development and story.
Huh come to think of it that comparison between the titans tv show and new 52 teen Titans actually makes a tons of sense when you think about it that way.
@Xander G. Interesting, I haven't watched the live action show but you've definitely described my problems with this comic so I even more don't want to now.
@@CaptainAway trust me you weren't missing much because my god titans live action show is bad.
I have such heavy nostalgia goggles for this one. This was the first comic series I got into weekly.
Bunker is my favorite new hero of the run they introduced. I’d love to see the character re-explored with the lantern crew over titans, bc if I remember they say it’s “Psionic constructs,” but I’d like
a more star sapphire angle more. Don’t be lazy and give him a ring, but maybe explore the idea of “organic conduits,” [of extra dimensional energy] like we saw touched upon in the Minute War Flash story. 🤷🏼♂️
Bunker is definitely the standout character here, and I agree, he'd be really cool to insert into the lantern mythology.
Also the whole Jon lane kent nonsense in the new 52 was so stupid and garbage to the point that it took basically to miracle for somebody get rid of this imposter but unfortunately the damage was done tp the point that the new 52 superboy book got cancelled and was never heard from ever again.
Actually, in the single published issues, the past Titans are referenced. It was in the TPBs that the references were removed. i actually liked the initial story arc here and the Blinded by the Light arc in the DCYou series. KNOWHERE is from Morrison's Doom Patrol as well as Danny the Street. Basically, the TT here fights the Ant Farm from Morrison's DP. I also liked Tim's origin here the best and loved how Cassie's armor is basically Witchblade. But Bart sucks.
Personally I am glad the new 52 Tim drake robin history got thrown out the window during rebirth because my god this new Origin for Tim drake robin was so bad and garbage.
My understanding was that in a few other early New 52 stories, earlier versions of the titans were referenced, but in this series they were always intended to be the first, but I haven't read the original single issues of this series.
I'm personally fine with Tim's origin here, I think it works for the character, but I felt Tim mostly acted like an ass throughout this series so I didn't like him. Definitely prefer the Tim from the Robin comics I grew up with.
@@CaptainAway I hated new 52 Tim
Drake because he wasn’t the robin I knew and love growing up but that’s just my opinion.
@@CaptainAway I went back to the single issues and compared them with the trade. They were referenced in the single issues. Also, the earlier team was referenced in Red Hood and the Outlaws. There was even a news story about it on Newsarama where the writer mocked the redacted references with a 1984 reference. I prefer Tim as a personality more than an origin. Although this one is cleaner, more worthy of adaptation.
@The Bronze Age of DC Comics Oh, that's good to know. Thanks for looking into that.
ah the good ol days when I first got into comics. in fact I just reread them all lol
The first 14 issues and annual are competent enough, I think they did a good job slowly building the characters and you could see the team starting to come together.
But Once death in the family hits it just kind of collapses, I'm pretty sure it was probably editorial mandates that made the book fall off a cliff in the second half with it being sucked into death of the family and forever evil (which was used pretty well to get us to kid flash's arc)
But it's easy to see that things never went to Lobdell's plans, he set up some stuff with Waller and skitter mom to be future stories, Trigon just vanished cause hey look a company wide crossover is here and this needs to be finished so I can tie into it.
And then the death knell of cancellation and the forced rushed ending to harvest in the annual.
There is some great ideas in this book and clearly Lobdell had a plan and for 14 issues imo it worked but then as is the problem with most modern day comics, company mandates and crossover hell destroyed any semblance of the story the writer was trying to tell and DC and Marvel wonder why they're doing so badly nowadays.
I agree that it was probably publishing and editorial staff decisions that largely killed this. I was actually down to find out where Lobdell was heading with the series, and as much as I didn't like it, it was at least more cohesive and readable under his writing than it was afterwards. This really is what killed so many of the New 52 books in my opinion, they started out introducing mysteries and potential plot lines, but DC got scared about sales and all of that was abandoned for crossovers and big events in the hopes that short term sales numbers would be more meaningful than lasting, well made content.
Your channel is great. Just discovered it.
Thanks, and welcome!
I never was a fan of the new 52 Tim drake robin suit because it looks really stupid and feels like falcon then Tim drake robin but that’s just my opinion.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait hol up hol up.... Did you say deranged tentacle monster out of a hentai nightmare? I'm sold.
Hi are you planning on making a video on superboy new 52
Yes, I definitely plan to eventually, I'm just having trouble getting copies of the series right now.
@@CaptainAway OK take your time and bring us amazing content like u always do
@@CaptainAway well there's a way to get that series easily and that's through hoopla
My library does not seem to have Superboy available on their hoopla. That's typically where I read comics first so I always check there.
@@CaptainAway huh that's odd i assumed hoppla would've had new 52 superboy i guess not.
I never was a fan of the new 52 teen titans because my god this series was so bad and destroyed my favorite characters Tim drake robin superboy Conner Kent and wonder girl Cassie sandsmark for garbage stories.
I think possibly a lot of people would've felt that way about this comic, and definitely anyone would be hard pressed to argue this was in anyway better than Teen Titans we had in the past.
@@CaptainAway indeed and to make it even worse this book ruined raven character by having her work with her father trigon willingly which isn't raven's character at all.
Yeah, I read that Scott Lobdell didn't like Raven as a character, which is why she wasn't initially on the team, and he only even did an eventual story arc with her due to their being a lot of fan demand for her joining the team
@@CaptainAway figures why am I not surprised of course he hates raven as a character, which could explain why he wrote her so badly and treated her like garbage. Which is just mess up and a big slap in the face for people like me who love raven and her story with the teen titans and to treat this character with that much disrespect feels like somebody like him shouldn't be even around to write teen titans from the very beginning at least in my opinion.
The main thing I feeling like I'm learning from reading through all of the New 52 is that I have no idea why Scott Lobdell was given so much of it to write.
I most say this is on my opinion the Worst of the new 52 (on my opinión)
Cool video.
12:52 I know I'm the large minority but I do like red hood and the outlaws😢❤
3:54 yes I do desagree I do like or prefere the original red Robin
Stay away from that next series. Back when I was getting into comics I've read part of that and it's among some of the worst stuff I've read, ever. Only worse new 52 book I've read was secret six.
Plz ir you have time do New 52 Justice League
I definitely want to get to the series. Hopefully it won't be too much longer until it happens!
What's the time stream?
:) and 8:12 it is for DOOM PAROL
I honestly didn't like this wonder girl
Silent armor was nice concept and making her related to Wonder Woman was good but her characterization was just not as good as Pre New 52
@@Jfleming321 I would've liked to see more development on the silent armor, but it felt glossed over to me. Most of the series' storylines just got so quickly abandoned.
Wowwwww a transgender street huh🤨🤦♂️. Does anyone know if the new jujutsu Kaisen or Slime dropped yet?
So mad and for what
I'm on a Boat was never cool, Uncle Captain Away.
I need to know so much more about this transgender street.
Man.....these guys don't appreciate he's broke.
You give it low? I'm surprised, this is a very low for sure. Good luck with the next series.
You know, you may be right. I was comparing it in my head to some others series that I liked even less and thinking, "well, it wasn't as bad as that," but just looking at in on its own it maybe deserved a Very Low.