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I think something that gets breezed over here is that it's not just the place they want to put this. It's the place they already are and have been for decades. Most people like that all the Philly sports teams play in the same place. It's a unique thing for a city to have.
I live in Philadelphia and frequently go to Chinatown. The arena will produce a huge traffic snarl. I would rather they move to Camden than build in Chinatown. The south Philly complex has all the infrastructure already there. This is an INSANE idea.
OMG STOP!!! If you can’t deal with congestion move your A$$$ to Delaware!! Every major top tier city has stadiums in their CBD area!! NYC has one in the most congested area in the city!! Stop with the annoying nimby nonsense!! Then you’re the same lib complaining about not enough economic development for the poor!!
The owner is a complete weasel who is stirring this stadium crap because he just wants to get out of paying rent. He is very very very unhappy he only makes 1bn when without rent he would make 1.5bn. He’s a scumbag.
6:58 I am so glad you highlighted this. Currently, our transit company, SEPTA, is in a dire financial situation. It's only because of state funding that we aren't going to deal with service cut backs (but fares are going up fast). There is no way 20,000+ more people will be able to get in for games/events with our current service/capacity levels. It would simply crash the system. Increased ridership might be used as a reason to increase suburban train frequency, but I doubt that'd make up for the additional costs. This is a deeply flawed project. As a Philadelphian, I say keep it where it is or, hell, move it to Camden. Millions of 76ers fans live in NJ anyhow. Oh...and those 40% driving into Center City to the arena, wow, the traffic would become apocalyptic, it's already horrible! Oh...also the arena would be built on top of the existing train station, I can't imagine the level of destruction there will be during construction.
Exactly leave that shit where it is , perfectly fine over in the sports complex and that jacks up traffic even more. You can't tell me uprooting half of downtown and it's residents is cheaper than building an existing arena where it is or somewhere that won't destroy the traffic fabric of the city. Someone must be making a lot of money for the ridiculous push for this senseless idea
You’re okay with moving the team to Jersey?! You’re from the burbs, not the city! I royally hate Josh Harris & wish they kept the Sixers in Packer Park but I don’t want them moving outside the city!!
@lovesgucci1 literally 2 square miles of warehouses next to sports complex I'm sure they could buy up amd just extend existing sports complex but this is why Josh Harris is completely out of touch doesn't care about anything other then money and needs to either sell the team or pray he gets abducted by aliens. Dude is a clown show and is what's wrong with the world
@lovesgucci1 I am from the city, been here for 20 years, and I am not the only one who is furious about the arena. The disruption it'll cause will cripple Center City. If the choice is to wreck everything between 8th and 13th streets, render Jefferson Station impossoble to use, and effectively eliminate Chinatown, or move to Camden, then move to NJ. The Sixers are becoming more of a burden to the city anyhow.
I wonder if the D.C. arena for the Wizards/Caps is the source of concerns for Chinatown? In the late 90s the owner paid for the whole arena on the edge of D.C.'s Chinatown. Nobody questions that the arena revitalized an area that had been suffering neglect since the late 60s. Despite the city working with the community to try an keep the Chinatown character, all these years later, the Chinatown arch is about the only noticeable sign of the old Chinatown.
@@mustang6172 And that stadium was nowhere near Chinatown either. It was at Spring Garden/Broad St. Chinatown thinks its bigger than it is and absolutely has blocked any and all progress north and east of City Hall.
Chinatown in Washington DC slowly disappearing because of their Arena, basic property value went up where people couldn't afford to live or have businesses. That why the Chinatown here in Philly is fighting it.
Chinatown is a vital, historic neighborhood. There’s no need to blow it up with this project. We already have a sports complex in South Philly-build there.
I know its not ideal to share an arena but if your city has an NBA and an NHL team they need to share. Having 2 separate arenas in a city is insane. Also i think Philly does it right where they put all the sports stadiums in there own area and you know what your getting into with traffic, and its not in the middle of downtown. Kansas City does this too.
Baltimore does it as well. The area, Camden Yards, and M&T Bank stadium are pretty much all next to each other. Although Baltimore has no arena based teams.
The Sixers want their own arena because they pay rent at the Wells Fargo Center and do NOT get any of the revenue that comes from other events. Not to mention they are 3rd in scheduling behind the Flyers and Special events, Concerts WWE etc. Personally I would rather for them to stay in South Philly but I won't be going to Camden to watch them play
“Camden is right across the river from Philadelphia” is true. But you’re ignoring the fact that overwhelming majority of the region’s population is in Pennsylvania AND that there is only one bridge between Philly and Camden. There are two more close by, the Betsy Ross to the north and the Walt Whittman to the south. But getting to a game in Camden would be a royal pain in the ass for most Sixer fans, so the threat of moving there is rather hollow. The team knows this. They’re hoping the community is too dumb to notice it.
I’ve lived in the Philly area all of my life. The best part of Philly is the sports complex - it’s away from the city center and easily accessible no matter where you live. The 76ers have always wanted to break away from the Flyers for decades, though, and putting a new arena in downtown Philly would cause so much traffic and congestion. It’s an awful idea.
You lived in the area. You never lived in the city. Automobile convenience is your priority. This project is wonderful for the City of Philadelphia. You are a suburbanite and should have no say on city matters
@@gregoryglading1517 lol... I'm stopping you right there, Greg. I live in the city. This project is going to be a disaster for the city. SEPTA can't handle that many people trying to take the el at one time. Families with children won't be waiting for the el that late at night. Nobody from the suburbs will want to drive to a train station to take the regional rail in, only to do it again late at night to get home. Traffic in that area is already a pain - imagine thousands more trying to get in and out. There's an established sports complex in town right now, with plans to grow it into more of a destination neighborhood. It belongs down there with the rest of the stadiums.
@@thegooftroop6179And nothing of value would be lost for us. The Sixers have been THE most dysfunctional and irrelevant team in the city, and thats saying alot considering the Flyers have been on a massive playoff drought. Let em go.
I live about 30 miles north of Philly. Major point: This is to be built directly above the 2nd most used train station in Philly. Getting out of the current sports complex is a nightmare. I can get on the regional train line about 5 miles from home. Build this & I will come!! Also, like Brodie branching into national sports stories. Look forward to more.
Put it on North Broad St next to a new Temple football stadium. Right above the subway line, and it vastly it improves the city and Temple. The blight is bad.
This is easily the most unnecessary arena project going on right now. The 76'ers already have a modern arena of their own at the sports complex. Splitting teams that should be sharing a building into separate buildings is such a huge waste of space, and a net negative for everyone because it would cause both arenas to be booked for less nights of the year.
I live in Western suburbs past the Main Line; I think it's a horrible idea. Most people in the burbs drive to games, not take regional rail, so the thought of driving to Center City is awful. Horrible the city was held hostage via the threat from Camden. Many would have disowned the team if it moved to Jersey.
We have a public transportation system in Philadelphia that on a map looks great, but due to a lack of riders, runs so few trains. You live in an area named for a rail line. Why are you opposed to taking the train? We want to be a world class city, and world class cities have transit. Even LA is taxing themselves billions a year to put back what was ripped out.
@@dagobert1234321 I remember when then Philadelphia mayor John Street wanted to move the Phillies in that area. Chinatown said NO!!! Same scenario with the 76ers if you ask me.
@@MrLaneSiryup. The owner of the sixers is also CLEARLY trying to manipulate the city into giving him what he wants by threatening to leave and saying “it’s already paid for and won’t displace anyone trusttt me” “We’re running out of time” . What he doesn’t realize is that only the Unc’s would really care if the sixers left. I stopped really caring about the sixers when they became irrelevant in the 2010’s. An organization of complacent losers.
The way these topics are presented is amazing. I always feel like I’m in the room listening to all of the angles and perspectives. Great research. In my opinion, the team always benefits in the long run otherwise they wouldn’t do it. The sports team is just a piece of the real estate empire that results from these developments.
The Sports complex in South Philly is ideal. There is abundant parking and instant access to I-95 and South Jersey via the Walt Whitman Bridge. Center City would become a very expensive mistake really fast. It won't matter how pretty it is to visit. Most would come once just for the novelty, and then decide that it's not worth the effort. The PPA would make even more money with ticket revenue. btw GO BIRDS!
The major issue surrounding this project is the lack of transparency from the Sixers with the city - not ONCE has Josh Harris been at any of the public meetings and rather than manning up and being there he has clueless members of his camp going to the meetings to pander and dodge critical questions. Another element to this is the "Agreement" that Cherelle Parker "Made" with the Sixers - the belief is that majority of city council was unaware of the specifics which led to the fight and pushback over the community benefits act - also Parker gave the Sixers further assurances on Tax Breaks and not requiring them to bring back their HQ to Philadelphia which it had been here for some time at the Navy Yard. Lets Be Clear: The Sixers will NOT build affordable housing - Mark Squilla has confirmed that part of the project is scrapped - the same Mark Squilla who used this concept to rope people into supporting this project now doesn't want affordable housing...simply because his definition of affordable differs from REALITY. Also, the Sixers will NOT relocate their HQ Back to Philly as to avoid paying city wage taxes and also are not willing to go above $50mil over 30 years in community benefits. There is NO WAY Chinatown Family Businesses will survive. There is NO WAY this doesnt negatively impact traffic to and from Jefferson Hospital. @brodiebrazil Thank You for reporting on this - love the content and attention to detail as well as your unbiased view - its not easy finding reporting like this. Much Respect!
Their headquarters moved to the practice facility in 2016 (when it opened). And of course Josh Harris isn't attending these hearings. Why would we expect him to? It has been more so for the opposition to complain to the city council about why they don't want the arena. What Brodie scratched the surface with is the whole "community benefits" money contribution the city is asking from the 76ers... notice how the Chinatown activists have quieted down in recent days when the team might pony up more money. This is what this whole opposition is for Chinatown. Wanting money. Let's be real here. Outside of a block or two, how much of Chinatown is really thriving without an arena? It isn't. Throwing even the highest amount of money discussed in Brodie's video is not going to be enough to transform Chinatown into this thriving neighborhood. It won't.
So in reality - the CBA the Sixers and Cherrelle agreed on is something you’re comfortable with?? You’re fine with the team playing here but not operating here? It’s $50mil over the course of 30 Years - that’s insulting. Chinatown’s issues stem beyond the reach of a proposed arena for sure and ofcourse there’s greedy people on all sides - but let’s be real - this arena WILL erase Chinatown. If we are quick to call out Chinatown’s supporters who now want more CBA funding - let’s also be real quick to point out how IBEW wants this project passed after publicly endorsing Cherrelle for Mayor and making major campaign contributions to her before the renderings came out. Greed is everywhere in this case - unfortunately it will come at the cost of a community and its tradition unless City Council does what’s right here - nearly all of the city doesn’t want this arena. I work near Jefferson Station and this will be the WORST traffic disaster possible combined with a broken Septa system which barely manages low to normal business traffic. To me, the “process” was always a secret plan to land in NJ.
If Chinese businesses want survive by only getting Chinese customers should move out as most Chinese don’t live in Chinatown. The current Chinatown cannot expand Chinese population. Why not rely on non Chinese tourists? And if do this arena will bring them in.
As a NYer I went to the sports complex in Philly and was not impressed yes everything was centrally located but there was nothing around the area and it had no character.
I'm a Philly fan and started following you when you were covering the Coyotes move to Utah. Big Flyers, Eagles, and Phillies fan. Never really cared about basketball personallly , but I'd root for the 76ers. However, I rather see the 76ers move to and become NJ's problem team rarher dealing with this frustrating franchise and terrible ownership.
Of course you were watching when the Coyotes actually ended up a dormant franchise. And the Utah Hockey Club is a new franchise with bought former players, coaches, draft picks and some hockey operations staff. As for the 76ers, moving to Camden would not mean a change in team ownership. Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment will still be the ownership group until said otherwise.
Yep agreed. Don’t care about basketball but tried to support sixers because they’re a Philly team but they make it hard. Hate Embiid and Josh Harrison.
Agreed. 43 miles from San Francisco City Hall...8 miles from San Jose City Hall. It really is in the San Jose area. Why not call them the San Jose 49ers? I know it's the San Francisco Bay Area, but there are other teams named San Jose and that's basically where the team plays
@ It’s a lot like the techies themselves. San Jose is partnering with Google for a whole mini-city within San Jose, but their target audience began the whole “Google Bus” thing so they could live in San Francisco. One place is more hip than the other.
@@steveralston8837Or even the “Golden State 49ers.” At least with the Cowboys, Jets/Giants (even being located in another state) and Rams/Chargers are still no more than 15 miles away from their actual downtown city center.
Brodie they did finish a 3 year remodel inside of the Wells Fargo Center that finish before the start of the last NHL season. the 76ers are paying rent to play at the Wells Fargo Center that is why they want their own Arena . Also you could say Camden is just a tool to get the Arena built back when the Flyers where in planning to build the now Wells Fargo Center Camden was on the back burner even then . from the people on the local news and fans asked about a new Arena going there they all say the Traffic would be bad and that this deal will hurt the local business around the area that they say been around a long time .
Wells Fargo Center got a nice upgrade awhile back would be stunned if this is approved and 76ers move a little bit the city will lose their heads if 76ers relocate to Camden
@ built in 1996 went though multiple names changes from CoreStates Center, First Union Center and Wachovia Center and now known as the Wells Fargo Center but beginning in July 1, 2025 it’s going to be named Casey's Center.
This is not the first site that the Sixers wanted to do they wanted to do at Penn‘s Landing and were told no. The stadium complex does not work for them because one the reason they want out of the Wells Fargo Center is because they do not own it they are third in priority, and sometimes fourth and fifth of her concerts. You cannot build another arena in the complex because of the plants that Comcast Spectacor is doing with the Philadelphia Phillies and renovating the Wells Fargo Center will not work because of the fact that, Comcast Spectacor would still only arena
“Will not displace business or residence…” Yes it will, and that’s the whole point. Center City has changed drastically, and Chinatown is prime location, just behind Market St. close to hotels, the Convention Center, the Terminal Market, and only a few blocks from Old City & Penns Landing. There’s no way prices don’t skyrocket more than they already have🤷🏾♂️…
Naming rights money. Currently comcast who owns the flyers gets 100% and sixers get nothing. They want their own stadium to get out that last bit of cash
@@DannyOboy Not all right. The 76ers pay Comcast as a tenant to play at Wells Fargo Center. But yes, the 76ers have disputed with the naming rights deal for years and would not say the arena name in any public relations material and on-air announcements. Even though I do not find this as a really valid reason to leave, but the 76ers mainly want their own arena to control their scheduling of home games.
Nothing. The Wall Street owners of the team want this arena so that they can justify the huge profit that they will make when they sell the team a year after it opens. That is the whole reason that they want it. The naming rights over 20 years could be up to $300 million (matching the Warriors' deal) but likely would be closer to $150 - $200 million. That leaves $1.35 billion of the cost to build the arena. The Philadelphia market doesn't have the demand to justify two indoor arenas. On average, there might be a concert every weekend there but likely not. They could make a million or two per non-Sixer event, so $50 - $75 million (after all costs). That would get them to be at a break even point. They will have more revenue from their own games, but they have 41 home games. Any additional revenue from their games would go back towards higher players' salaries. The ROI isn't there except to get a high sales price for the team and arena.
@@flavious27 Are you basing that assumption on other markets or that you live here? And of course no this city doesn't NEED a second arena. I don't even like the fact that New York City has two because the friggin' Nets went into Brooklyn 12 years ago and Los Angeles having 3 (if you count the Kia Forum for still hosting concerts). These NBA owners are ridiculous for wanting their own separate playpens, but that's really the heart of the issue though.
Normally fans object to an arena/stadium because the owners ask for money. Here the fans object because they feel the 76ers should stay in the stadium complex. The owners aren't allowed to build where they want. The team has to remain a tenant. The 76ers aren't going to be a tenant. They want an arena where they get the prime dates and they can make money off concerts. That may be Camden.
The location is much better in terms of public transit. It is right above a station where all suburban train lines stop at and a block away from the PATCO and Subway so getting transit from NJ would be easier as well
The traffic alone is a reason this should never happen and why would I forgo driving in my own car to ride the nasty ass subway? Literally couldn’t pay me to go to a game in Chinatown.
I feel the stadium they proposed is in a great location. Chinatown does have the tight to complain about the construction issues but that applies to any new construction in a big city. If Philadelphia is to continue to grow the downtown area is where people want to live, shop and have recreation within walking or easy public transit access. Suburban fans complain about the location but if you use the commuter train to the station that will be just behind the stadium you could not ask for better access. Train fares even round trip will most likely be less than the parking would be and will be free if the person already rides on a weekly or monthly pass. SEPTA would just have to adjust their schedules on game days to schedule return trains leaving downtown after the games end. SEPTA can do that since every New Year’s Eve they do that for the late night fireworks display. As for parking, other than a weekday daytime game there should be plenty of parking in nearby parking garages that are used less at night and weekends. I think that Chinatown is forgetting how many people will be coming to their area before and after games. They are most likely not coming now but since their stores and resturants are so close to the new stadium they most likely will experience additional business after it is built. Also if that additional housing gets built there they also will have more local year round customers nearby. All new projects affect business and residences around it. Do they forget when the center city commuter train tunnel was built years ago. The streets were torn up and detours in Chinatown happened then and Chinatown survived then as it should now. Build the stadium downtown!
Nobody wants to destroy Chinatown for this, put it on the ballot and find out. Leave the stadiums where they are! The only reason that team wants a new stadium is greed, they can make more money on luxury suites.
Brodie, you got it wrong city council made the Sixers take down the tower. Also, the transportation is there all of Southeastern Pennsylvania’s regional rails lead to under the station that the arena will be built above. Sixers can’t renovate the Wells Fargo Center because the Sixers don’t own it. It’s owned by Comcast, the whole issue with the arena in South Philadelphia is because Comcast prioritize the flyers and other events before the Sixers
This one is going to be tough, the sports complex in south Philly is much more convenient…the Giants and Jets moved to alleviate traffic from New York and it worked..I can’t see twenty thousand people moving easily in and out of this downtown area..
And that the Meadowlands is only 5 miles west of the city. Very convenient for most fans, especially the suburban-based ones who don't have to pay the ridiculous Hudson River crossing tolls.
@@NHLCrazy2007I don’t have the exact numbers but in recent data that the NFL, Jets and Giants combined states of the % of where the majority of both of their fan bases comes from. New Jersey.
@@americangiant1003 I'm aware a portion of their season ticket bases are from northern New Jersey. All about convenience. But the two teams are marketed to the entire metropolitan area with representation from New York City. That is regardless of MetLife Stadium being 5 miles into New Jersey. The stadium even markets to New York City as well in its promotional campaigns. But whatever, this argument is as old as most of us on this planet.
Well the Sixers practice facility and headquarter are in Camden New Jersey, so building an arena over in Camden wouldn't be so bad for them. Though if that is the case, New Jersey will get another professional sports team that does not represent the state, or city, in their name.
Do you want Philly to be a main destination and have some comparable level of economic activity like NY then you support this. Growth doesn't stay stagnant forcing the system to build and create jobs should be the goal for Philly. Jobs creation brings down crime and increases opportunities.
A correction to how it's being reported: it's technically not Chinatown, and it would be replacing the large mall that was rebuilt right before the pandemic. It would be a block away from one of the larger convention centers in the country. The issue is many fans are used to the convenience of the drive to the sports complex. Literally as someone who works a couple of blocks away from the site, traffic is abysmal - and it does kind of mirror those traffic back ups SF residents would see when Chase Center has events. The new arena would be closer to the interstate than the proposed Howard Terminal site. You'll see most complaints really don't care as much about Chinatown as they do the commute to events. Sixers don't want to stay in a building Comcast owns - that's what this is really about. I can't see it not passing though.
1) Wells Fargo Center is an outstanding arena that was renovated a couple years ago. 2) 76 Place is going to be as lousy as Barclays Center (low capacity, no parking, cramped concourses due to built in apartment tower, no parking, congestion). Capital One Arena changed DC's Chinatown and 76 Place would change Philly Chinatown.
Ridership on the rail system is currently down a lot. The city has also increased fare by 50% since last year. Do they really expect the city to improve the system significantly when the rail system have been underfunded for many years?
i still prefer wells fargo, plenty of parking, close enough to the subway. if they want to do it in the city, go back and do it at Penn's Landing. Whoever outbidded them for penn's landing, their money seems to have dried up, aint nothing going on there.
Just for some context: - The owners of the 76ers also own the NJ Devils and the Prudential Center. The motivation (based on what we saw in NJ) is to own an arena and to host events year-round; it is not primarily about basketball. - The proposed site is a stop on a couple of commuter rail lines as well as subway lines. It is in no way comparable to Madison Square Garden or Times Square, but definitely more transit-accessible than the sports complex in South Philly. - The proposed site is the former home of the Galleria, aka “the Gallery Mall” that DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (Will Smith) rapped about in “Parents Just Don’t Understand”. It is currently vacant.
Josh Harris also is the Owner of the Washington Commanders, with partners like Magic Johnson and Mark Ein. Seems like everyone wants a new Commanders stadium at the old RFK Site but there’s lot of red tape
@@scottNNJ The infrastructure of those transit lines can’t withstand the construction of that arena. I read that the Sixers expect flailing SEPTA to be responsible for transit trouble. I hope the city comes to its senses. There will be construction jobs wherever the arena is built.
@@tejida815 Are you referring to the physical structure would be at risk or the capacity of the rail is inadequate? If the former, I would expect HSBE to design around/over it. If the latter, I agree that expecting SEPTA to make operational or infrastructure improvements will likely lead to disappointment.
Broafie good job covering this but you’re missing that Comcast phones the Wells Fargo Center and NHL Flyers just spent a ton of money to re-remodel the Wells Fargo center and have signed a deal with the Phillies and potentially the Eagles to redevelop the whole south Philadelphia sports complex. They have also offered the Sixers 50-50 ownership in Wells Fargo Center.
Why don’t they just buy the Franklin Mills mall ??? Septa was looking to build a trolley cars on the boulevard They could build it there and not have any problems whatsoever plus have public transportation
Being fair, while several bus lines are at Franklin Mills(recently renamed “Philadelphia Mills” Mall)the big down side none of the 2 SEPTA subway lines or regional lines stops near by. The closest train route the Trenton Line is at least a mile maybe 2 miles away from the Mills Mall. It could be an alternative but at this point it’s either Downtown Philly/Chinatown or Camden. FYI For those of you with no geographical experience of Philadelphia, Franklin Mills Mall is on the city limits bordering with Bucks County and City of Ben Salem.
~ Philly is the only city in the U.S. that houses all 4 major sports in one location... Sixers should be ashamed of themselves for even thinking of breaking that unique feature...
The reasoning not as simple as they don’t want to share the arena with the flyers anymore. Wells Fargo center is owned by comcast spectator, which also owns the flyers. The sixers are getting no control over their schedule and improvements to their facilities since priority is given to the flyers and other events like concerts which brings more money directly to comcast spectator. Although this site has its own issues, I think the city needs to get away from the stadium district model with a sea of parking and lean more into stadiums better connected with the neighborhoods of the city. If we keep building these massive parking lots for the stadiums….we are basically telling people to drive to the stadiums.
The change in how many people drive is probably because less people who drive to games now will even go to games if the team moves there. The majority of people here hate this idea
Sorry Brodie, it would not only jeopardize Chinatown, but it would have a serious impact on Downtown Philadelphia on both the historic nature of the city which is the birthplace of liberty as well as effecting the businesses and would disrupt our city mass transit system and all the businesses around Suburban station. It would have the same negative effect on our city that replacing Pennsylvania station with Madison Square Garden had on New York City endless traffic jams
I’m a Philly native, born, raised & still live in the city, the Sixers aren’t moving to Chinatown. The location is bad but it’s not Chinatown! A majority of people actually from the city don’t want the Sixers moving outside the city limits!! Josh Harris & the rest of the Sixers ownership is the worst. They are paying but the city will eat a lot of it too. Lastly, our city council is mostly made up of people that aren’t from Philly & they don’t care if we even have a NBA team. It will pass though because the union in the city won’t allow it to move, thankfully.
Giants wanted to build at Sevenths and Towansand at one point the city said no and they found a better spot. Sometimes the cities are right. Glad the sizers are paying for everything.
Do the obvious instead of proposed location go down a bit and use the old Wanamaker location as site. That would preserve Chinatown & still have center city location that seems to be desired.
What’s wrong with where they play now? If nothing then this is just another keeping up with the Jones’s and this asinine culture we have where if it ain’t broke we’re going to fix it anyway or “we’re never satisfied with what we have so let’s constantly upgrade.”
the idea that the sixers are saying it's either center city or jersey is hilarious tbh, like why are they so dead set on not being in the sports complex?? it's a whole area set aside for sports arenas, it's exactly where you would build one of these! how is this even a question?? if they would rather move to jersey than build their new arena in the space set aside for that specific purpose, then let them
I love in the area where they want to build the stadium. While it'd be cool to have the stadium closer to me, it makes zero sense to have the stadium there vs where it is already. There just isn't the infrastructure in the neighborhood to support a stadium, and there won't be. This isn't going to like Madison Square Garden in New York where there is a super robust subway system that most people in the city already take. 40% of travellers using public transit is a pipe dream at best. It also is a massive mistake to break up the downtown complex. The best option in my book was always to build a new place there.
I would do it for the city our sixers that I grew up on always have owed us one you know and now we have to do right by them and show how much we love our Sixers right? right! GETUR DONE!
The New York Giants and Jets play in East Rutherford, NJ, and the Washington Commanders play in Landover, MD. There is precedent for moving out of the namesake city, but not the metro area, and keeping the city's name.
LET THEM MOVE 🚮 You live in a area and get no benefits , no money in your pocket, destroy your way of life. Tax breaks are the same as giving then money. Also add 350+ apartments and pack more people in. No thanks. They have as much rights to not grow and change their way of life.
79 units that are affordable out of 395 is a joke. If this is like everywhere I've ever lived t he cost of rent around this new building is going to go up. These kind of projects are always pegged as good for the community and it always prices out the people who live there in favor of the type of people they want to live there.
Camden is a pain in the ass to get to from the Philly area and you have to pay tolls. Camden is an awful area nobody wants to be there. The fans don’t want it at this site.
You only pay the Benjamin Frankin Bridge toll heading INTO Philly, not out. The only part of Camden that is safe and viable is literally along the riverfront. Clearly, Camden wants to continue its development of that area with an arena complex.
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I think something that gets breezed over here is that it's not just the place they want to put this. It's the place they already are and have been for decades. Most people like that all the Philly sports teams play in the same place. It's a unique thing for a city to have.
I live in Philadelphia and frequently go to Chinatown. The arena will produce a huge traffic snarl. I would rather they move to Camden than build in Chinatown.
The south Philly complex has all the infrastructure already there. This is an INSANE idea.
OMG STOP!!! If you can’t deal with congestion move your A$$$ to Delaware!! Every major top tier city has stadiums in their CBD area!! NYC has one in the most congested area in the city!! Stop with the annoying nimby nonsense!! Then you’re the same lib complaining about not enough economic development for the poor!!
Facts and there's literally already a designated train line that runs to the complex smfh
The owner is a complete weasel who is stirring this stadium crap because he just wants to get out of paying rent. He is very very very unhappy he only makes 1bn when without rent he would make 1.5bn. He’s a scumbag.
The Phillies initially wanted to build here back in the early 2000s and met the same issues. Can't imagine the 76ers having more pull
Especially considering they’re the most dysfunctional team in the city
A ballpark on market east would be hilarious
6:58 I am so glad you highlighted this. Currently, our transit company, SEPTA, is in a dire financial situation. It's only because of state funding that we aren't going to deal with service cut backs (but fares are going up fast). There is no way 20,000+ more people will be able to get in for games/events with our current service/capacity levels. It would simply crash the system. Increased ridership might be used as a reason to increase suburban train frequency, but I doubt that'd make up for the additional costs. This is a deeply flawed project. As a Philadelphian, I say keep it where it is or, hell, move it to Camden. Millions of 76ers fans live in NJ anyhow. Oh...and those 40% driving into Center City to the arena, wow, the traffic would become apocalyptic, it's already horrible! Oh...also the arena would be built on top of the existing train station, I can't imagine the level of destruction there will be during construction.
Exactly leave that shit where it is , perfectly fine over in the sports complex and that jacks up traffic even more. You can't tell me uprooting half of downtown and it's residents is cheaper than building an existing arena where it is or somewhere that won't destroy the traffic fabric of the city. Someone must be making a lot of money for the ridiculous push for this senseless idea
Josh Harris must go
You’re okay with moving the team to Jersey?! You’re from the burbs, not the city!
I royally hate Josh Harris & wish they kept the Sixers in Packer Park but I don’t want them moving outside the city!!
@lovesgucci1 literally 2 square miles of warehouses next to sports complex I'm sure they could buy up amd just extend existing sports complex but this is why Josh Harris is completely out of touch doesn't care about anything other then money and needs to either sell the team or pray he gets abducted by aliens. Dude is a clown show and is what's wrong with the world
@lovesgucci1 I am from the city, been here for 20 years, and I am not the only one who is furious about the arena. The disruption it'll cause will cripple Center City. If the choice is to wreck everything between 8th and 13th streets, render Jefferson Station impossoble to use, and effectively eliminate Chinatown, or move to Camden, then move to NJ. The Sixers are becoming more of a burden to the city anyhow.
I wonder if the D.C. arena for the Wizards/Caps is the source of concerns for Chinatown? In the late 90s the owner paid for the whole arena on the edge of D.C.'s Chinatown. Nobody questions that the arena revitalized an area that had been suffering neglect since the late 60s. Despite the city working with the community to try an keep the Chinatown character, all these years later, the Chinatown arch is about the only noticeable sign of the old Chinatown.
This has been a concern for a while. The Phillies tried to build a stadium there 25 years ago.
Chinese missed golden opportunity in DC cuz they wanted to be insular. Which strange cuz Asians have their own themed shopping parks all over DMV.
@@mustang6172 And that stadium was nowhere near Chinatown either. It was at Spring Garden/Broad St. Chinatown thinks its bigger than it is and absolutely has blocked any and all progress north and east of City Hall.
Chinatown in Washington DC slowly disappearing because of their Arena, basic property value went up where people couldn't afford to live or have businesses. That why the Chinatown here in Philly is fighting it.
@ Chinese moved away long before
Chinatown is a vital, historic neighborhood. There’s no need to blow it up with this project. We already have a sports complex in South Philly-build there.
I know its not ideal to share an arena but if your city has an NBA and an NHL team they need to share. Having 2 separate arenas in a city is insane. Also i think Philly does it right where they put all the sports stadiums in there own area and you know what your getting into with traffic, and its not in the middle of downtown. Kansas City does this too.
Baltimore does it as well. The area, Camden Yards, and M&T Bank stadium are pretty much all next to each other. Although Baltimore has no arena based teams.
The Sixers want their own arena because they pay rent at the Wells Fargo Center and do NOT get any of the revenue that comes from other events. Not to mention they are 3rd in scheduling behind the Flyers and Special events, Concerts WWE etc. Personally I would rather for them to stay in South Philly but I won't be going to Camden to watch them play
Who does KC share with? KC doesn’t an NBA team.
@tigertank06 my point with KC is that the Chiefs and Royals stadiums are right next to each other in their own area. Away from the center of downtown
@BvG_Venom Baltimore's are in Downtown, however.
Center city venue is the dumbest idea ever. 1000% a money grab and a major inconvenience to see a game. Josh harris please sell the team. We hate you
The Sixers have treated us the fans like garbage. 12 years of tanking, playoff chokes, and star talent that’s always injured.
As long as the Sixers have "two games per week Joel," I'd vote NO on any project that the team proposes.
All subway and regional rail services run under and have station under that site
I live in Philadelphia. This proposed location would ruin China Town!
“Camden is right across the river from Philadelphia” is true. But you’re ignoring the fact that overwhelming majority of the region’s population is in Pennsylvania AND that there is only one bridge between Philly and Camden. There are two more close by, the Betsy Ross to the north and the Walt Whittman to the south. But getting to a game in Camden would be a royal pain in the ass for most Sixer fans, so the threat of moving there is rather hollow. The team knows this. They’re hoping the community is too dumb to notice it.
Yeah I don't think that I have EVER saw affordabable "housing" in Center City in my entire life!😂😂
They can’t even get through the 2nd round, and they want their own arena??
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I’ve lived in the Philly area all of my life. The best part of Philly is the sports complex - it’s away from the city center and easily accessible no matter where you live. The 76ers have always wanted to break away from the Flyers for decades, though, and putting a new arena in downtown Philly would cause so much traffic and congestion. It’s an awful idea.
Well said. I live in Philly also, but not Center City. Just driving on the Schuylkill as you know is a complete joke.
You lived in the area. You never lived in the city. Automobile convenience is your priority. This project is wonderful for the City of Philadelphia. You are a suburbanite and should have no say on city matters
Don’t forget about the people who live in Northeast Philly!
@@gregoryglading1517 Your city blows and is a third world hellscape.
@@gregoryglading1517 lol... I'm stopping you right there, Greg. I live in the city. This project is going to be a disaster for the city. SEPTA can't handle that many people trying to take the el at one time. Families with children won't be waiting for the el that late at night. Nobody from the suburbs will want to drive to a train station to take the regional rail in, only to do it again late at night to get home. Traffic in that area is already a pain - imagine thousands more trying to get in and out.
There's an established sports complex in town right now, with plans to grow it into more of a destination neighborhood. It belongs down there with the rest of the stadiums.
The fans DO NOT WANT THIS!! Awful money hungry cash grab idea that separates our teams and ruins our city
The fans don't own the team.
Haha who cares what you guys want? The city needs to redevelop a shopping mall.
How is it a cash grab if they're paying for it themselves?
Have fun going to Camden when this stadium doesn’t go through. The sixers aren’t staying in south philly
@@thegooftroop6179And nothing of value would be lost for us. The Sixers have been THE most dysfunctional and irrelevant team in the city, and thats saying alot considering the Flyers have been on a massive playoff drought. Let em go.
Great video! One small point: City of Philadelphia is coterminous with Philadelphia County, so mercifully, only 1 layer of local government involved.
I live about 30 miles north of Philly. Major point: This is to be built directly above the 2nd most used train station in Philly. Getting out of the current sports complex is a nightmare. I can get on the regional train line about 5 miles from home. Build this & I will come!!
Also, like Brodie branching into national sports stories. Look forward to more.
Put it on North Broad St next to a new Temple football stadium. Right above the subway line, and it vastly it improves the city and Temple. The blight is bad.
This is easily the most unnecessary arena project going on right now. The 76'ers already have a modern arena of their own at the sports complex. Splitting teams that should be sharing a building into separate buildings is such a huge waste of space, and a net negative for everyone because it would cause both arenas to be booked for less nights of the year.
I live in Western suburbs past the Main Line; I think it's a horrible idea. Most people in the burbs drive to games, not take regional rail, so the thought of driving to Center City is awful. Horrible the city was held hostage via the threat from Camden. Many would have disowned the team if it moved to Jersey.
We have a public transportation system in Philadelphia that on a map looks great, but due to a lack of riders, runs so few trains. You live in an area named for a rail line. Why are you opposed to taking the train? We want to be a world class city, and world class cities have transit. Even LA is taxing themselves billions a year to put back what was ripped out.
I remember back in the late 1990s the Phillies were trying to build a downtown stadium in that area which backfired spectacularly.
What was the main holdup for the Phillies ?
@@dagobert1234321 I remember when then Philadelphia mayor John Street wanted to move the Phillies in that area. Chinatown said NO!!! Same scenario with the 76ers if you ask me.
@@MrLaneSiryup. The owner of the sixers is also CLEARLY trying to manipulate the city into giving him what he wants by threatening to leave and saying “it’s already paid for and won’t displace anyone trusttt me” “We’re running out of time” . What he doesn’t realize is that only the Unc’s would really care if the sixers left. I stopped really caring about the sixers when they became irrelevant in the 2010’s. An organization of complacent losers.
The way these topics are presented is amazing. I always feel like I’m in the room listening to all of the angles and perspectives. Great research. In my opinion, the team always benefits in the long run otherwise they wouldn’t do it. The sports team is just a piece of the real estate empire that results from these developments.
The Sports complex in South Philly is ideal. There is abundant parking and instant access to I-95 and South Jersey via the Walt Whitman Bridge. Center City would become a very expensive mistake really fast. It won't matter how pretty it is to visit. Most would come once just for the novelty, and then decide that it's not worth the effort. The PPA would make even more money with ticket revenue. btw GO BIRDS!
The major issue surrounding this project is the lack of transparency from the Sixers with the city - not ONCE has Josh Harris been at any of the public meetings and rather than manning up and being there he has clueless members of his camp going to the meetings to pander and dodge critical questions. Another element to this is the "Agreement" that Cherelle Parker "Made" with the Sixers - the belief is that majority of city council was unaware of the specifics which led to the fight and pushback over the community benefits act - also Parker gave the Sixers further assurances on Tax Breaks and not requiring them to bring back their HQ to Philadelphia which it had been here for some time at the Navy Yard. Lets Be Clear: The Sixers will NOT build affordable housing - Mark Squilla has confirmed that part of the project is scrapped - the same Mark Squilla who used this concept to rope people into supporting this project now doesn't want affordable housing...simply because his definition of affordable differs from REALITY. Also, the Sixers will NOT relocate their HQ Back to Philly as to avoid paying city wage taxes and also are not willing to go above $50mil over 30 years in community benefits. There is NO WAY Chinatown Family Businesses will survive. There is NO WAY this doesnt negatively impact traffic to and from Jefferson Hospital. @brodiebrazil Thank You for reporting on this - love the content and attention to detail as well as your unbiased view - its not easy finding reporting like this. Much Respect!
Their headquarters moved to the practice facility in 2016 (when it opened). And of course Josh Harris isn't attending these hearings. Why would we expect him to? It has been more so for the opposition to complain to the city council about why they don't want the arena.
What Brodie scratched the surface with is the whole "community benefits" money contribution the city is asking from the 76ers... notice how the Chinatown activists have quieted down in recent days when the team might pony up more money. This is what this whole opposition is for Chinatown. Wanting money. Let's be real here. Outside of a block or two, how much of Chinatown is really thriving without an arena? It isn't. Throwing even the highest amount of money discussed in Brodie's video is not going to be enough to transform Chinatown into this thriving neighborhood. It won't.
So in reality - the CBA the Sixers and Cherrelle agreed on is something you’re comfortable with?? You’re fine with the team playing here but not operating here? It’s $50mil over the course of 30 Years - that’s insulting. Chinatown’s issues stem beyond the reach of a proposed arena for sure and ofcourse there’s greedy people on all sides - but let’s be real - this arena WILL erase Chinatown. If we are quick to call out Chinatown’s supporters who now want more CBA funding - let’s also be real quick to point out how IBEW wants this project passed after publicly endorsing Cherrelle for Mayor and making major campaign contributions to her before the renderings came out. Greed is everywhere in this case - unfortunately it will come at the cost of a community and its tradition unless City Council does what’s right here - nearly all of the city doesn’t want this arena. I work near Jefferson Station and this will be the WORST traffic disaster possible combined with a broken Septa system which barely manages low to normal business traffic. To me, the “process” was always a secret plan to land in NJ.
If Chinese businesses want survive by only getting Chinese customers should move out as most Chinese don’t live in Chinatown. The current Chinatown cannot expand Chinese population. Why not rely on non Chinese tourists? And if do this arena will bring them in.
@@JohnYomtovJr 💯
If they have billions to pay for a new stadium then they can afford to keep the team right where it’s at Wells Fargo
Why are the 76ers even trying to leave wells Fargo arena?
He doesnt own it
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They pay ridiculous rent to xfinity
As a NYer I went to the sports complex in Philly and was not impressed yes everything was centrally located but there was nothing around the area and it had no character.
I'm a Philly fan and started following you when you were covering the Coyotes move to Utah. Big Flyers, Eagles, and Phillies fan. Never really cared about basketball personallly , but I'd root for the 76ers. However, I rather see the 76ers move to and become NJ's problem team rarher dealing with this frustrating franchise and terrible ownership.
Of course you were watching when the Coyotes actually ended up a dormant franchise. And the Utah Hockey Club is a new franchise with bought former players, coaches, draft picks and some hockey operations staff. As for the 76ers, moving to Camden would not mean a change in team ownership. Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment will still be the ownership group until said otherwise.
Yep agreed. Don’t care about basketball but tried to support sixers because they’re a Philly team but they make it hard. Hate Embiid and Josh Harrison.
@@RLS_91 Joel Embiid is a totally pampered prima donna. The 76ers are stuck with that contract extension they recently gave him.
For the people watching… Levi’s Stadium isn’t 60 miles from San Francisco. It’s 43 and feels like 90.
Agreed. 43 miles from San Francisco City Hall...8 miles from San Jose City Hall. It really is in the San Jose area. Why not call them the San Jose 49ers? I know it's the San Francisco Bay Area, but there are other teams named San Jose and that's basically where the team plays
@ It’s a lot like the techies themselves. San Jose is partnering with Google for a whole mini-city within San Jose, but their target audience began the whole “Google Bus” thing so they could live in San Francisco. One place is more hip than the other.
@@steveralston8837The Cowboys don't play in Dallas, don't expect a name change to Arlington Cowboys, and the Jets and Giants don't play in New York
haha - sorry was just ballparking it... same point though, it isn't nearby
@@steveralston8837Or even the “Golden State 49ers.” At least with the Cowboys, Jets/Giants (even being located in another state) and Rams/Chargers are still no more than 15 miles away from their actual downtown city center.
Brodie they did finish a 3 year remodel inside of the Wells Fargo Center that finish before the start of the last NHL season. the 76ers are paying rent to play at the Wells Fargo Center that is why they want their own Arena . Also you could say Camden is just a tool to get the Arena built back when the Flyers where in planning to build the now Wells Fargo Center Camden was on the back burner even then . from the people on the local news and fans asked about a new Arena going there they all say the Traffic would be bad and that this deal will hurt the local business around the area that they say been around a long time .
Let them go to Camden. That study was financed by the Sixers. Also, that design is uninspired.
Camden would be worse. That’s costing people tolls and I would need the Patco or NJ transit on top at least.
Wells Fargo Center got a nice upgrade awhile back would be stunned if this is approved and 76ers move a little bit the city will lose their heads if 76ers relocate to Camden
It's not even 30 years old, right?
@ built in 1996 went though multiple names changes from CoreStates Center, First Union Center and Wachovia Center and now known as the Wells Fargo Center but beginning in July 1, 2025 it’s going to be named Casey's Center.
This is good for the city.
This is not the first site that the Sixers wanted to do they wanted to do at Penn‘s Landing and were told no. The stadium complex does not work for them because one the reason they want out of the Wells Fargo Center is because they do not own it they are third in priority, and sometimes fourth and fifth of her concerts. You cannot build another arena in the complex because of the plants that Comcast Spectacor is doing with the Philadelphia Phillies and renovating the Wells Fargo Center will not work because of the fact that, Comcast Spectacor would still only arena
If they don't want the arena, then move it to NJ.... That would be great! 🤦♂🤷♂
I live in Brooklyn, the Barclays Center didn't push out a disproportionate amount of small business compared to any other neighborhood.
“Will not displace business or residence…”
Yes it will, and that’s the whole point. Center City has changed drastically, and Chinatown is prime location, just behind Market St. close to hotels, the Convention Center, the Terminal Market, and only a few blocks from Old City & Penns Landing. There’s no way prices don’t skyrocket more than they already have🤷🏾♂️…
Good, I hope that the sixers don't get the arena because I don't want to see Chinatown disappear
Love your work. One minor point. Philly calls its main area center city, not downtown. You nailed this report though.
Lies, born and raised in West Philly. We always referred to "center city" as downtown.
@@dboyfflies!… ha, I guess everyone is different. I grew up in Kensington and never heard it called downtown. It’s always been Center City to me.
So if all the sports teams are all in the same area. What is wrong with the current arena?
Naming rights money. Currently comcast who owns the flyers gets 100% and sixers get nothing. They want their own stadium to get out that last bit of cash
@@DannyOboy Not all right. The 76ers pay Comcast as a tenant to play at Wells Fargo Center. But yes, the 76ers have disputed with the naming rights deal for years and would not say the arena name in any public relations material and on-air announcements. Even though I do not find this as a really valid reason to leave, but the 76ers mainly want their own arena to control their scheduling of home games.
Nothing. The Wall Street owners of the team want this arena so that they can justify the huge profit that they will make when they sell the team a year after it opens. That is the whole reason that they want it. The naming rights over 20 years could be up to $300 million (matching the Warriors' deal) but likely would be closer to $150 - $200 million. That leaves $1.35 billion of the cost to build the arena. The Philadelphia market doesn't have the demand to justify two indoor arenas. On average, there might be a concert every weekend there but likely not. They could make a million or two per non-Sixer event, so $50 - $75 million (after all costs). That would get them to be at a break even point. They will have more revenue from their own games, but they have 41 home games. Any additional revenue from their games would go back towards higher players' salaries. The ROI isn't there except to get a high sales price for the team and arena.
@@flavious27 Are you basing that assumption on other markets or that you live here? And of course no this city doesn't NEED a second arena. I don't even like the fact that New York City has two because the friggin' Nets went into Brooklyn 12 years ago and Los Angeles having 3 (if you count the Kia Forum for still hosting concerts). These NBA owners are ridiculous for wanting their own separate playpens, but that's really the heart of the issue though.
Thank you
Normally fans object to an arena/stadium because the owners ask for money. Here the fans object because they feel the 76ers should stay in the stadium complex. The owners aren't allowed to build where they want. The team has to remain a tenant. The 76ers aren't going to be a tenant. They want an arena where they get the prime dates and they can make money off concerts. That may be Camden.
The location is much better in terms of public transit. It is right above a station where all suburban train lines stop at and a block away from the PATCO and Subway so getting transit from NJ would be easier as well
The traffic alone is a reason this should never happen and why would I forgo driving in my own car to ride the nasty ass subway? Literally couldn’t pay me to go to a game in Chinatown.
Stayed outside of chinatown at the end of summer. Is def a little rough south of that but walking through the admittedly small chinatown was nice.
I feel the stadium they proposed is in a great location. Chinatown does have the tight to complain about the construction issues but that applies to any new construction in a big city. If Philadelphia is to continue to grow the downtown area is where people want to live, shop and have recreation within walking or easy public transit access. Suburban fans complain about the location but if you use the commuter train to the station that will be just behind the stadium you could not ask for better access. Train fares even round trip will most likely be less than the parking would be and will be free if the person already rides on a weekly or monthly pass. SEPTA would just have to adjust their schedules on game days to schedule return trains leaving downtown after the games end. SEPTA can do that since every New Year’s Eve they do that for the late night fireworks display. As for parking, other than a weekday daytime game there should be plenty of parking in nearby parking garages that are used less at night and weekends. I think that Chinatown is forgetting how many people will be coming to their area before and after games. They are most likely not coming now but since their stores and resturants are so close to the new stadium they most likely will experience additional business after it is built. Also if that additional housing gets built there they also will have more local year round customers nearby. All new projects affect business and residences around it. Do they forget when the center city commuter train tunnel was built years ago. The streets were torn up and detours in Chinatown happened then and Chinatown survived then as it should now. Build the stadium downtown!
Nobody wants to destroy Chinatown for this, put it on the ballot and find out. Leave the stadiums where they are! The only reason that team wants a new stadium is greed, they can make more money on luxury suites.
Brodie, you got it wrong city council made the Sixers take down the tower. Also, the transportation is there all of Southeastern Pennsylvania’s regional rails lead to under the station that the arena will be built above.
Sixers can’t renovate the Wells Fargo Center because the Sixers don’t own it. It’s owned by Comcast, the whole issue with the arena in South Philadelphia is because Comcast prioritize the flyers and other events before the Sixers
Putting the arena into the city is lame. Being on the outskirts where it is, is perfect.
I hope they don’t get the arena and Josh Harris relocates the team. He’s a terrible money hungry owner.
This one is going to be tough, the sports complex in south Philly is much more convenient…the Giants and Jets moved to alleviate traffic from New York and it worked..I can’t see twenty thousand people moving easily in and out of this downtown area..
And that the Meadowlands is only 5 miles west of the city. Very convenient for most fans, especially the suburban-based ones who don't have to pay the ridiculous Hudson River crossing tolls.
@@NHLCrazy2007I don’t have the exact numbers but in recent data that the NFL, Jets and Giants combined states of the % of where the majority of both of their fan bases comes from. New Jersey.
@@americangiant1003 I'm aware a portion of their season ticket bases are from northern New Jersey. All about convenience. But the two teams are marketed to the entire metropolitan area with representation from New York City. That is regardless of MetLife Stadium being 5 miles into New Jersey. The stadium even markets to New York City as well in its promotional campaigns. But whatever, this argument is as old as most of us on this planet.
Well the Sixers practice facility and headquarter are in Camden New Jersey, so building an arena over in Camden wouldn't be so bad for them. Though if that is the case, New Jersey will get another professional sports team that does not represent the state, or city, in their name.
Do you want Philly to be a main destination and have some comparable level of economic activity like NY then you support this. Growth doesn't stay stagnant forcing the system to build and create jobs should be the goal for Philly. Jobs creation brings down crime and increases opportunities.
I live in philly, traffic is bad enough in that area we don’t need a stadium there.. majority of the cities residents don’t want it
A correction to how it's being reported: it's technically not Chinatown, and it would be replacing the large mall that was rebuilt right before the pandemic. It would be a block away from one of the larger convention centers in the country. The issue is many fans are used to the convenience of the drive to the sports complex. Literally as someone who works a couple of blocks away from the site, traffic is abysmal - and it does kind of mirror those traffic back ups SF residents would see when Chase Center has events. The new arena would be closer to the interstate than the proposed Howard Terminal site. You'll see most complaints really don't care as much about Chinatown as they do the commute to events. Sixers don't want to stay in a building Comcast owns - that's what this is really about. I can't see it not passing though.
1) Wells Fargo Center is an outstanding arena that was renovated a couple years ago.
2) 76 Place is going to be as lousy as Barclays Center (low capacity, no parking, cramped concourses due to built in apartment tower, no parking, congestion). Capital One Arena changed DC's Chinatown and 76 Place would change Philly Chinatown.
Or ya know they could keep sharing with the flyers
Ridership on the rail system is currently down a lot. The city has also increased fare by 50% since last year. Do they really expect the city to improve the system significantly when the rail system have been underfunded for many years?
Wells Fargo was just upgraded
i still prefer wells fargo, plenty of parking, close enough to the subway. if they want to do it in the city, go back and do it at Penn's Landing. Whoever outbidded them for penn's landing, their money seems to have dried up, aint nothing going on there.
I think it’s so ridiculous how they want to make it so that all of our sports teams are now gonna be spread out
Just for some context:
- The owners of the 76ers also own the NJ Devils and the Prudential Center. The motivation (based on what we saw in NJ) is to own an arena and to host events year-round; it is not primarily about basketball.
- The proposed site is a stop on a couple of commuter rail lines as well as subway lines. It is in no way comparable to Madison Square Garden or Times Square, but definitely more transit-accessible than the sports complex in South Philly.
- The proposed site is the former home of the Galleria, aka “the Gallery Mall” that DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (Will Smith) rapped about in “Parents Just Don’t Understand”. It is currently vacant.
Josh Harris also is the Owner of the Washington Commanders, with partners like Magic Johnson and Mark Ein. Seems like everyone wants a new Commanders stadium at the old RFK Site but there’s lot of red tape
@@scottNNJ The infrastructure of those transit lines can’t withstand the construction of that arena. I read that the Sixers expect flailing SEPTA to be responsible for transit trouble. I hope the city comes to its senses. There will be construction jobs wherever the arena is built.
@@tejida815 Are you referring to the physical structure would be at risk or the capacity of the rail is inadequate? If the former, I would expect HSBE to design around/over it. If the latter, I agree that expecting SEPTA to make operational or infrastructure improvements will likely lead to disappointment.
There is no room in down town Philly to do this
Broafie good job covering this but you’re missing that Comcast phones the Wells Fargo Center and NHL Flyers just spent a ton of money to re-remodel the Wells Fargo center and have signed a deal with the Phillies and potentially the Eagles to redevelop the whole south Philadelphia sports complex. They have also offered the Sixers 50-50 ownership in Wells Fargo Center.
Why don’t they just buy the Franklin Mills mall ???
Septa was looking to build a trolley cars on the boulevard
They could build it there and not have any problems whatsoever plus have public transportation
Being fair, while several bus lines are at Franklin Mills(recently renamed “Philadelphia Mills” Mall)the big down side none of the 2 SEPTA subway lines or regional lines stops near by. The closest train route the Trenton Line is at least a mile maybe 2 miles away from the Mills Mall.
It could be an alternative but at this point it’s either Downtown Philly/Chinatown or Camden.
FYI For those of you with no geographical experience of Philadelphia, Franklin Mills Mall is on the city limits bordering with Bucks County and City of Ben Salem.
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Thank you I didn’t know they change the name
It’s been about 10 years since I’ve been there
Stay in got damn sourh Philly
Good.
The sports complex district is awesome.
~ Philly is the only city in the U.S. that houses all 4 major sports in one location... Sixers should be ashamed of themselves for even thinking of breaking that unique feature...
Detroit does also. They all happen to be downtown. I am not auguring with your last point BTW.
@michaelkroner8964 ... thanks for updating my knowledge; I was sold bad info prior
Those with money and power will make you believe their profits are in your best interest
The reasoning not as simple as they don’t want to share the arena with the flyers anymore. Wells Fargo center is owned by comcast spectator, which also owns the flyers. The sixers are getting no control over their schedule and improvements to their facilities since priority is given to the flyers and other events like concerts which brings more money directly to comcast spectator. Although this site has its own issues, I think the city needs to get away from the stadium district model with a sea of parking and lean more into stadiums better connected with the neighborhoods of the city. If we keep building these massive parking lots for the stadiums….we are basically telling people to drive to the stadiums.
Just build where the vet used to stand. Seriously you could build on that lot and still have plenty of room for parking.
The change in how many people drive is probably because less people who drive to games now will even go to games if the team moves there. The majority of people here hate this idea
Sorry Brodie, it would not only jeopardize Chinatown, but it would have a serious impact on Downtown Philadelphia on both the historic nature of the city which is the birthplace of liberty as well as effecting the businesses and would disrupt our city mass transit system and all the businesses around Suburban station. It would have the same negative effect on our city that replacing Pennsylvania station with Madison Square Garden had on New York City endless traffic jams
I’m a Philly native, born, raised & still live in the city, the Sixers aren’t moving to Chinatown. The location is bad but it’s not Chinatown!
A majority of people actually from the city don’t want the Sixers moving outside the city limits!! Josh Harris & the rest of the Sixers ownership is the worst. They are paying but the city will eat a lot of it too. Lastly, our city council is mostly made up of people that aren’t from Philly & they don’t care if we even have a NBA team.
It will pass though because the union in the city won’t allow it to move, thankfully.
Giants wanted to build at Sevenths and Towansand at one point the city said no and they found a better spot. Sometimes the cities are right. Glad the sizers are paying for everything.
Do the obvious instead of proposed location go down a bit and use the old Wanamaker location as site. That would preserve Chinatown & still have center city location that seems to be desired.
Good stuff Brodes!
Sixers practice facility is already in Camden so its not a far stretch. And let's not forget, 2 NYC teams play in NJ too
What’s wrong with where they play now? If nothing then this is just another keeping up with the Jones’s and this asinine culture we have where if it ain’t broke we’re going to fix it anyway or “we’re never satisfied with what we have so let’s constantly upgrade.”
the idea that the sixers are saying it's either center city or jersey is hilarious tbh, like why are they so dead set on not being in the sports complex?? it's a whole area set aside for sports arenas, it's exactly where you would build one of these! how is this even a question?? if they would rather move to jersey than build their new arena in the space set aside for that specific purpose, then let them
Historically, Philly teams wanting a new stadium always threaten to go to jersey. Camden is a dump of a city. People don’t want this
I'm pretty sure that I saw a video saying this location isn't in Chinatown. A couple of blocks away.
I love in the area where they want to build the stadium. While it'd be cool to have the stadium closer to me, it makes zero sense to have the stadium there vs where it is already.
There just isn't the infrastructure in the neighborhood to support a stadium, and there won't be. This isn't going to like Madison Square Garden in New York where there is a super robust subway system that most people in the city already take. 40% of travellers using public transit is a pipe dream at best.
It also is a massive mistake to break up the downtown complex. The best option in my book was always to build a new place there.
Public transportation in Philadelphia sucks. I know i work there on occasions
I would do it for the city our sixers that I grew up on always have owed us one you know and now we have to do right by them and show how much we love our Sixers right? right! GETUR DONE!
I didn’t even know that Philadelphia had a Chinatown.
Are the Flyers part of this new building project too?
Forget it, Sixers. It's Chinatown.
The New York Giants and Jets play in East Rutherford, NJ, and the Washington Commanders play in Landover, MD. There is precedent for moving out of the namesake city, but not the metro area, and keeping the city's name.
Camden, NJ is in the Philly metro area
LET THEM MOVE
🚮 You live in a area and get no benefits , no money in your pocket, destroy your way of life. Tax breaks are the same as giving then money. Also add 350+ apartments and pack more people in. No thanks. They have as much rights to not grow and change their way of life.
79 units that are affordable out of 395 is a joke. If this is like everywhere I've ever lived t he cost of rent around this new building is going to go up. These kind of projects are always pegged as good for the community and it always prices out the people who live there in favor of the type of people they want to live there.
Camden is a pain in the ass to get to from the Philly area and you have to pay tolls. Camden is an awful area nobody wants to be there. The fans don’t want it at this site.
You only pay the Benjamin Frankin Bridge toll heading INTO Philly, not out. The only part of Camden that is safe and viable is literally along the riverfront. Clearly, Camden wants to continue its development of that area with an arena complex.
They couldn't even keep a minor league baseball team there.
@@JFM1170 Yup, the Camden Riversharks.
Camden NJ is the biggest red herring I’ve ever heard.
Phillies had tried this, failed miserably. Same goes sixers, they’ll go to Jersey
I feel like I missed this aspect--why does the city council need to vote on this proposal and not just the Planning & Zoning commission?
As of today, it has been approved
Why a Philadelphia team playing NJ doesn't feel right? The New York teams do it.