I think it's worth clarifying why I don't recommend the TS23, since I'm getting a few messages about giving the SC33 a positive review when it does the same thing. I also disliked the SC33 stepping down so quickly from turbo, but I'm more interested in the sustainable output on that model since I'd use it more for walking and general use. I own a flashlight hunting store (Wurkkos dealer also) and I had my sights set on the TS23 for the use of hunting, for this use the range is super important on turbo and for it to hold that range for as long as possible. Instead of getting 60 seconds or so at 470+ meters, it loses 115m within 30 seconds. I was really hoping this would be another Sofirn C8L with a wider beam, that model holds over 2400 (turbo) for 4 minutes, then 1500 for 5 minutes before reducing and sustaining 1000. The C8L will hold 2000 lumens in cool temperatures since the brightness is controlled thermally, the TS23 is controlled by timers and will perform the same regardless of the outside temp. If you only need 2,600 lumens at 358m range, then you'll be happy with it. It really just depends on every individuals requirements.
I wanted the sc33. Beautiful light.. the performance jsut sucks is why I don’t own it lol. Maybe they can make a v2 and,are it perform better. Il buy it for sure.
@@PiercingTheDarknessI’m not much help in this range of lights, as most of mine are aiming for as high of throw as possible, but one light I’m seeing in my list I own is the lumintop d3 v2.. I thinks a screamer of a all purpose light. It’s cheaper than the ts23 also. The trade off are, anduril 1, no pocket clip (26 sized body), and doesent run high cri. Other than that I love it. As for throttling. The 26800 would throttle slower than the 21700 but the 21700 has better performance.. I’d say for a standard do it all light, it’s banger.. minus the lack of pocket clip. Edit: forgot to throw some number. 26800 is 605m tested and the 21700 is 675. The beam has a sbt 90 type pattern, but burns slower than that monster lol. Lumens was measured with the 21700 at 5880. No records for the 26800.
@@PiercingTheDarknessas for my ultimate favorite best all around flashlight, the ts25.. the one HUUGGEE trade off Is turbo last not long at all. You get 21-25 seconds with settings maxed out before it starts throttling down. Cri, pocket clip, beam pattern… optimized.. just throttles quick.
Interesting comments about the C8L. I've been meaning to look up some reviews or info on that model. I like my SC33 however I'm not putting it to any active use where I need its turbo output to sustain for longer.
This is why showing runtime graphs in reviews is so important. Previously I mentioned ditching my graphs, but it's too important for making a proper evaluation. I just purchased a professional, certified Light Meter with Data Logging to make it super easy now to make graphs 🙂.
I agree. The chart is the basis. It's strange that few people test Nitecore flashlights when it comes to charts. Maybe it's because Nitecore gives flashlights as gifts😂😂😂
As for ANSI, many flashlights are not compatible, for example one of the Nitecore flashlights has turbo 10s. But many companies also use this standard for marketing purposes. For example, I came across a 320lm (3xAAA) flashlight where the manufacturer states that the operating time is 5.5 hours. To someone familiar with the topic, it already seems funny. And in practice it looked like this: the standard says from 30 seconds to 10% of power. So after a minute, the power started to drop for about 15 minutes to a level of about 70lm and continued to around 5 hours and this is the "magic" in the form of "in 320lm mode it lights up for 5.5 hours" lol
I forgot to add this CCT info in the video. Hotspot: 7700K Corona: 6600K Spill: 6300K This is on turbo Edit: new batch has a warmer tint. I haven't measured it, but it's quite pleasant.
Thanks for the additional info. No wonder my TS23 starts out as white with a touch of warmth but goes to extremely cool white as the output increases! 😐 I wish Wurkkos/Sofirn would stick to a standard nomenclature for its LED emitters, giving the color temperature a range (like 5000-6000K) instead of specifying just one color temp. "5000K" or "6500K" alone doesn't tell much; we won't know in advance if the color temperature is at the lowest or highest output. All this while I had assumed that the specified tint is uniform across the emitter's power output, but that isn't the case!
As usually, you're review was extremely enLIGHTening! I was looking forward to your review of the TS23 with much enthusiasm. Before your review, I felt this might be my ultimate EDC light but after you pointed out those timed step downs, my enthusiasm for this light also stepped down. If Wurkkos can replace the timed step down with a thermal step down and offer a XHP70.3 HI 5000K CRI70 version emitter, I'd be all over this flashlight. To date my favorite EDC that offers the best combination of price, brightness, tint, runtime and portability is the Convoy M21B with a XHP70.3 HI 5000K CRI70 emitter. There's no built-in charging port, which isn't a big deal for me, since I charge my batteries with an external charger, and the design is plain vanilla, but this light is a real performer. Thanks once more Jacob for contributing great info into the data bank of 21st century flashlight knowledge!
The TS23 does have a thermal step down and this is confirmed by the Wurrkos marketing person on TH-cam. It also has an USB-C charging port and it's located near the tail switch, not on the middle tube or reflector housing. This flashlight is based on the (discontinued?) Aplos T03 but I don't know if the TS23 is a direct "copy & paste job" or whether Wurkkos had further tweaked the T03 before rebranding it as the TS23. Maybe there will be additional emitter choices in the near future, like the 5000K version of the XHP70D. 🙂
So I bought the Wurkkos TS23 and just got the Acebeam L35 2.0 5000 lumen version and to be honest the Acebeam did really well though the Wurrkos beat it out on distance because the L35 had more spill but running times went the the L35 2.0. The Wurkkos though its runtime are disappointing still for the price is a good pocket thrower if you need it to check properties, home or just out in the woods. I can't really say what the battery drain life I'd because I haven't been using it that often.
It's a pity that the color temperature is only 6500. With a warmer light (3000K) or at least 5000K, a flashlight would be more interesting. 6500 is not the best option for working in nature (forest, steppe...) or in conditions of suspension in the air (dust, fog, rain, smoke ...).
Hi, if you look at the top of the screen at 0:46 where I'm showing my measurements, you'll see a note that says "ANSI = Measurement at 30 Seconds". If a manufacturer states that their specs were measured using the ANSI FL1 Standard, this means that they switched on the flashlight and waited for 30 seconds before recording the lumens and range. You can clearly see that they recorded turbo the second that turbo was switched on, and not at the 30 seconds. This is not a 5000 lumen flashlight as advertised under the ANSI FL1 Standard. According to my measurements it's only a 2700 lumen flashlight.
The SC33 is a very good flashlight. There is no competition at its price. I also have an Acebeam E70, which costs as much as three SC33s. But I'm happy with the SC33.
Even Fenix, Nitecore and Olight use the timer. It's no wonder. They have additional protection against overheating. But the timer is standard. Active temperature control is a challenge for most companies.
There is an independent test of p17 on the 1lumen page and it maintains a power of 1000lm. So I don't know what to admire compared to the SC33 or Wurkkos ts23??
@@jackblock7451 sofirn and wurkkos make flashlights with both timed and temperature depended stepdown. My concern is why they use sometimes one and sometimes the other.... P17 can hold +4k lumens for more than a minute, and that´s the difference. P17 and T23 are physically very similar, also, the same led, and both are also CC driver. So, the TS23 could have last more on turbo, in my opinion.
Thanks for the video, light sucks. Lol.. better thigh than most of these run if the mill lights thst are tacticool.. well.. for at least the first few moments lol..
You are correct. It IS the same flashlight but rebadged as a Wurkkos TS23. Interestingly, the Aplos official website doesn't list the T03 as one of its current models. It could be that Aplos had trouble selling the T03, so it was decided to rebrand the same product under the more famous Wurkkos brand. I just bought a TS23 when its price dropped low enough for it to be attractive. That reflector head is huge compared to my Sofirn SC33! 🔦🤔
It's not a bad flashlight. Have you had experience with others with this power? Small flashlights with a power of 3000-5000lm usually have maximum power from several dozen seconds to a few minutes and even drop to 1500-800lm. Acebeam p17, which costs three times as much, maintains about 1000lm. According to the standard, the maximum is about 4000LM and it also drops quickly. You can see tests for 1lumen or zeroair. Take into account the price of the flashlight...
@@jackblock7451i already sofirn sp33s and it hold lumens but i dont like the warm white edition. i like cool white coz fog and dust is not a problem in our place.. im going to see myself when the item is arrived how good or bad the ts23.. but i love the ts23 UI. its easy to operate.
I think you'll be perfectly happy with it. I personally wanted this for hunting & tactical use, so maintaining the highest output for the longest time possible is important.
@@PiercingTheDarknessthats the purpose why i purchased that flashlight, im going to use for hunting to light the path, i have convoy l21b that mounted on my rifle, i only need the floody light for the trail, medium is good for walking. we walk from 6pm until 5am , maybe im going to bring extra battery for back up.
There is an independent test of p17 on the 1lumen page and it maintains a power of 1000lm. So I don't know what to admire compared to the SC33 or Wurkkos ts23??
Ambient temp was different. TS23 stepped down almost instantly after turning on. 1minute mark, P17 maintains 3500+lm mark while TS23 is already 2500lm mark on 30sec. Even on high mode P17 doubled the runtime on 1500lm mark
@@PiercingTheDarkness Wonder if they fix that at the moment as the light is sold out at Wurkkos homepage, wasn't available that long. If not i would have bought it before seing your review. The light seemed to be what i wanted, far throw, relatively high Lumen, doesn't cost a fortune and easy UI. Hope they fix it.
There's a mute button for a reason there buddy, play your own music if it's not your cup of tea. Hope you're doing alright and that you have a great day 😊
I think it's worth clarifying why I don't recommend the TS23, since I'm getting a few messages about giving the SC33 a positive review when it does the same thing.
I also disliked the SC33 stepping down so quickly from turbo, but I'm more interested in the sustainable output on that model since I'd use it more for walking and general use.
I own a flashlight hunting store (Wurkkos dealer also) and I had my sights set on the TS23 for the use of hunting, for this use the range is super important on turbo and for it to hold that range for as long as possible. Instead of getting 60 seconds or so at 470+ meters, it loses 115m within 30 seconds. I was really hoping this would be another Sofirn C8L with a wider beam, that model holds over 2400 (turbo) for 4 minutes, then 1500 for 5 minutes before reducing and sustaining 1000. The C8L will hold 2000 lumens in cool temperatures since the brightness is controlled thermally, the TS23 is controlled by timers and will perform the same regardless of the outside temp.
If you only need 2,600 lumens at 358m range, then you'll be happy with it. It really just depends on every individuals requirements.
I wanted the sc33. Beautiful light.. the performance jsut sucks is why I don’t own it lol. Maybe they can make a v2 and,are it perform better. Il buy it for sure.
@@AverageReviewsYT Do you know of a better light for the same money though? I'm genuinely interested for selling in my store.
@@PiercingTheDarknessI’m not much help in this range of lights, as most of mine are aiming for as high of throw as possible, but one light I’m seeing in my list I own is the lumintop d3 v2.. I thinks a screamer of a all purpose light. It’s cheaper than the ts23 also. The trade off are, anduril 1, no pocket clip (26 sized body), and doesent run high cri. Other than that I love it. As for throttling. The 26800 would throttle slower than the 21700 but the 21700 has better performance.. I’d say for a standard do it all light, it’s banger.. minus the lack of pocket clip.
Edit: forgot to throw some number. 26800 is 605m tested and the 21700 is 675. The beam has a sbt 90 type pattern, but burns slower than that monster lol. Lumens was measured with the 21700 at 5880. No records for the 26800.
@@PiercingTheDarknessas for my ultimate favorite best all around flashlight, the ts25.. the one HUUGGEE trade off Is turbo last not long at all. You get 21-25 seconds with settings maxed out before it starts throttling down. Cri, pocket clip, beam pattern… optimized.. just throttles quick.
Interesting comments about the C8L. I've been meaning to look up some reviews or info on that model. I like my SC33 however I'm not putting it to any active use where I need its turbo output to sustain for longer.
This is why showing runtime graphs in reviews is so important. Previously I mentioned ditching my graphs, but it's too important for making a proper evaluation. I just purchased a professional, certified Light Meter with Data Logging to make it super easy now to make graphs 🙂.
Good for us! 😊I appreciate your work, thank you.
I agree. The chart is the basis. It's strange that few people test Nitecore flashlights when it comes to charts. Maybe it's because Nitecore gives flashlights as gifts😂😂😂
As for ANSI, many flashlights are not compatible, for example one of the Nitecore flashlights has turbo 10s. But many companies also use this standard for marketing purposes. For example, I came across a 320lm (3xAAA) flashlight where the manufacturer states that the operating time is 5.5 hours. To someone familiar with the topic, it already seems funny. And in practice it looked like this: the standard says from 30 seconds to 10% of power. So after a minute, the power started to drop for about 15 minutes to a level of about 70lm and continued to around 5 hours and this is the "magic" in the form of "in 320lm mode it lights up for 5.5 hours" lol
Can you share which lightmeter?
@@DasnarkyRemarky Lutron light meter, LX1128SD
I forgot to add this CCT info in the video.
Hotspot: 7700K
Corona: 6600K
Spill: 6300K
This is on turbo
Edit: new batch has a warmer tint. I haven't measured it, but it's quite pleasant.
Very cold 😔
Thanks for the additional info. No wonder my TS23 starts out as white with a touch of warmth but goes to extremely cool white as the output increases! 😐
I wish Wurkkos/Sofirn would stick to a standard nomenclature for its LED emitters, giving the color temperature a range (like 5000-6000K) instead of specifying just one color temp.
"5000K" or "6500K" alone doesn't tell much; we won't know in advance if the color temperature is at the lowest or highest output. All this while I had assumed that the specified tint is uniform across the emitter's power output, but that isn't the case!
As usually, you're review was extremely enLIGHTening!
I was looking forward to your review of the TS23 with much enthusiasm. Before your review, I felt this might be my ultimate EDC light but after you pointed out those timed step downs, my enthusiasm for this light also stepped down.
If Wurkkos can replace the timed step down with a thermal step down and offer a XHP70.3 HI 5000K CRI70 version emitter, I'd be all over this flashlight. To date my favorite EDC that offers the best combination of price, brightness, tint, runtime and portability is the Convoy M21B with a XHP70.3 HI 5000K CRI70 emitter.
There's no built-in charging port, which isn't a big deal for me, since I charge my batteries with an external charger, and the design is plain vanilla, but this light is a real performer.
Thanks once more Jacob for contributing great info into the data bank of 21st century flashlight knowledge!
The TS23 does have a thermal step down and this is confirmed by the Wurrkos marketing person on TH-cam. It also has an USB-C charging port and it's located near the tail switch, not on the middle tube or reflector housing.
This flashlight is based on the (discontinued?) Aplos T03 but I don't know if the TS23 is a direct "copy & paste job" or whether Wurkkos had further tweaked the T03 before rebranding it as the TS23.
Maybe there will be additional emitter choices in the near future, like the 5000K version of the XHP70D. 🙂
Спасибо! У Вас шикарные обзоры 👍
This is wurkkos' answer to the Sofirn SC33... I see power stabilization here, which is not standard in Wurkkos flashlights.
For the price i think its ok, compare to the nitecore mh12pro also stepping down from turbo only last 30sec.
They are such a hit or miss company. Ya never know which one a new light will be!
So I bought the Wurkkos TS23 and just got the Acebeam L35 2.0 5000 lumen version and to be honest the Acebeam did really well though the Wurrkos beat it out on distance because the L35 had more spill but running times went the the L35 2.0.
The Wurkkos though its runtime are disappointing still for the price is a good pocket thrower if you need it to check properties, home or just out in the woods. I can't really say what the battery drain life I'd because I haven't been using it that often.
It's a pity that the color temperature is only 6500. With a warmer light (3000K) or at least 5000K, a flashlight would be more interesting. 6500 is not the best option for working in nature (forest, steppe...) or in conditions of suspension in the air (dust, fog, rain, smoke ...).
If I see an interesting light I come here first before I purchase. Thanks!
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Where is ramping mode??!
This is advertised as a tactical flashlight, there's no need for smooth ramping.
what do you mean by Ansi not used to turbo???
Hi, if you look at the top of the screen at 0:46 where I'm showing my measurements, you'll see a note that says "ANSI = Measurement at 30 Seconds".
If a manufacturer states that their specs were measured using the ANSI FL1 Standard, this means that they switched on the flashlight and waited for 30 seconds before recording the lumens and range. You can clearly see that they recorded turbo the second that turbo was switched on, and not at the 30 seconds.
This is not a 5000 lumen flashlight as advertised under the ANSI FL1 Standard. According to my measurements it's only a 2700 lumen flashlight.
@@PiercingTheDarkness thanks for your reply. cause i already got my ts23. should i change to nitecore edc35 instead?
@@corcell72 no, the TS32 is still an excellent flashlight if you don't care about the turbo behaviour. The EDC35 is worse.
@@PiercingTheDarkness thank you. what about the brightness between ts23 and nitecore edc35? which one is brighter?
@@PiercingTheDarkness what about the brightness between ts23 and nitecore edc35? which one is brighter?
Those stepdowns are severely disappointing. What a bad move by wurkkos
This one is a Wurkkos Light, (same company, different factory) I guess it has a Fet Driver, no stabilization
@@cosminstefanpuie8313it has an XHP70.3 which is either in 6V or 12V configuration so it definitely has a boost driver.
@@oomph8557 could be. But it drops to fast, to much
@@cosminstefanpuie8313Sofirn gives itself competition in the form of Wurkkos and vice versa lol.
The SC33 also uses timer. What a waste of potential
Acebeam P17 is thinner and can hold turbo much longer
The SC33 is a very good flashlight. There is no competition at its price. I also have an Acebeam E70, which costs as much as three SC33s. But I'm happy with the SC33.
Besides, Sofirn is not competition for Acebeam, because it is not in this price range. Sofirn and Wurkkos win in terms of price to quality.
Even Fenix, Nitecore and Olight use the timer. It's no wonder. They have additional protection against overheating. But the timer is standard. Active temperature control is a challenge for most companies.
There is an independent test of p17 on the 1lumen page and it maintains a power of 1000lm. So I don't know what to admire compared to the SC33 or Wurkkos ts23??
@@jackblock7451 sofirn and wurkkos make flashlights with both timed and temperature depended stepdown. My concern is why they use sometimes one and sometimes the other....
P17 can hold +4k lumens for more than a minute, and that´s the difference.
P17 and T23 are physically very similar, also, the same led, and both are also CC driver. So, the TS23 could have last more on turbo, in my opinion.
Thanks for the video, light sucks. Lol.. better thigh than most of these run if the mill lights thst are tacticool.. well.. for at least the first few moments lol..
I have an aplos t03. I think this is the same light.
You are correct. It IS the same flashlight but rebadged as a Wurkkos TS23. Interestingly, the Aplos official website doesn't list the T03 as one of its current models. It could be that Aplos had trouble selling the T03, so it was decided to rebrand the same product under the more famous Wurkkos brand.
I just bought a TS23 when its price dropped low enough for it to be attractive. That reflector head is huge compared to my Sofirn SC33! 🔦🤔
@@StratmanIIhow much did you get it for, if I may?
lol i think i wasted money on purchasing this light. i have one coming next day and my excitement is drop down.. too sad.😭
It's not a bad flashlight. Have you had experience with others with this power? Small flashlights with a power of 3000-5000lm usually have maximum power from several dozen seconds to a few minutes and even drop to 1500-800lm. Acebeam p17, which costs three times as much, maintains about 1000lm. According to the standard, the maximum is about 4000LM and it also drops quickly. You can see tests for 1lumen or zeroair. Take into account the price of the flashlight...
Wurkkos ts23 is a competitor to Sofirn SC33 - you can compare it with this flashlight. I have it and I am satisfied.
@@jackblock7451i already sofirn sp33s and it hold lumens but i dont like the warm white edition. i like cool white coz fog and dust is not a problem in our place.. im going to see myself when the item is arrived how good or bad the ts23.. but i love the ts23 UI. its easy to operate.
I think you'll be perfectly happy with it.
I personally wanted this for hunting & tactical use, so maintaining the highest output for the longest time possible is important.
@@PiercingTheDarknessthats the purpose why i purchased that flashlight, im going to use for hunting to light the path, i have convoy l21b that mounted on my rifle, i only need the floody light for the trail, medium is good for walking. we walk from 6pm until 5am , maybe im going to bring extra battery for back up.
I thought this vould dethrone my Acebeam P17. That stepdown is disappointing
There is an independent test of p17 on the 1lumen page and it maintains a power of 1000lm. So I don't know what to admire compared to the SC33 or Wurkkos ts23??
Ambient temp was different. TS23 stepped down almost instantly after turning on. 1minute mark, P17 maintains 3500+lm mark while TS23 is already 2500lm mark on 30sec.
Even on high mode P17 doubled the runtime on 1500lm mark
@@louisarturo5625 what is stepdown
@@learningisfun273 its the reduction of output/brightness due to heat of the flashlight and to protect the life of you LED/Emitter
Another Great Light From Wurkkos but with Shi**y Driver. 🤷🤷
It has an excellent regulated boost driver, this issue is the firmware. Just needs an update.
@@PiercingTheDarkness Wonder if they fix that at the moment as the light is sold out at Wurkkos homepage, wasn't available that long. If not i would have bought it before seing your review. The light seemed to be what i wanted, far throw, relatively high Lumen, doesn't cost a fortune and easy UI. Hope they fix it.
@@currywurst2434Look at Sofirn sc33
what is it with that stupid music? Can you open your mount and say something?
There's a mute button for a reason there buddy, play your own music if it's not your cup of tea. Hope you're doing alright and that you have a great day 😊
@@PiercingTheDarkness mute video? From 1945 era? Just open your mouth 👄, it’s much better video. Thank you
@@VladFredK why not just go elsewhere if you don't enjoy the video.
@@PiercingTheDarkness You are right, sorry
He cant........😂😂😂