Before watching the video: this problem is extended to all jets from 8.3 and above. Wt needs clearly, isolated tiers of game for jets depending on their generation first of all, with br adjustments coming later. In no way a harrier should face a mig17, just to make an example.
@@leonardoamaro8778 Yeah, but they can face BR 8.3 too - and should face 7.3 at the same ratio. But we all know, this system doesn't work all the time.
@@majo3488 You have no idea about aviation. The reason the Harrier had those missiles is because there was no other naval aircraft for air defense that was a pure interceptor at the time, so the Sea Harrier was used for air-to-air, but it was an exception. HMS Ark Royal had F4 Phantom but was decommissioned in 1979 so she did not participate in the war.
I bought my way into top tier years ago when I got the F11 to avoid the seal clubbers. I did poorly in jets, but I was much better in jets than in props. The issue is that the majority of the player base plays top tier, so the people playing low tier are those trying to grind up or those who have settled on a prop plane and have no desire to continue on. Those good prop players served as major gatekeepers that greatly slow progress for new players. What sucks most about this game is that building the skill and experience to actually beat those prop players doesn't really help you in the long run. Jets play so differently that you are pretty much playing a different game. The most efficient way to progress is to just buy a top tier tank or plan and learn how to play that. You'll do terrible at first, but you will actually learn the skills relevant to top tier, which is what you're probably shooting for anyways. You'll get the hang of it after a few weeks or months and really start to have fun.
@@Raptor279e exactly. i dont want to spend thousands of hours grinding to the top for free just because veterans feel entitled to an unrealistically skilled opponent. in all honesty they should be complaining about how the grind is basically forcing people to spend money, not whining about people who just want to have fun are ruining their experience or whatever
@@sirbonobo3907 Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob. And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s They just turn off their brain an i destroy em. The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
Part of the problem is that even at BR 1 or 2, it's filled with level 100 players. I see 6-10 100s even at low tier. It's almost impossible to learn when you just die and not even know where it's from.
that is precisely because the newer players don't play BR 1 and 2 anymore. if this trend of buying yourself up didn't start in the first place, bottom tier would be mostly new players and few veterans. Also since even level 100 players are limited by the tanks' capabilities in BR 1-2, you have a better chance at knowing what mistake you made than at BR 9.0-9.7, where you can get sniped from across the map very accurately within seconds. deviation and slow shell velocity make that very unlikely in low tier, if you didn't sit in the open for a prolonged time.
I took a 2 year break. Came back to top tier seal clubbing when it used to be quite challenging. Now we’re getting 10.0 premiums which ruins 11.0 which is my safe place from steam rolled teams. Hopefully we see a BR increase to 12 soon to escape the M1 AIM spam. I’m 65% in GRB and the amount of times I just say what the fuck are you doing during matches is ridiculous
Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob. And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s They just turn off their brain an i destroy em. The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
Started teaching my friend who is new to the game so we were playing rank 1 tanks. I noticed one guy was just massacring our team. I looked at his profile and what a shock he was lvl100. Between the bt5 and bt7 he had over 9000 kills... There is no way this should even be allowed especially at that br.
I grinded up to 9.0 Japan with some premium along the way and I still have some difficulties with jet planes. The reason why it is especially hard for new players is that plane basic controls are horrendous and everyone needs to keybind and adapt what's better for them. That processes take hundreds of hours of adaptation. However, I do think Gaijin could have done a better job on the keybind controls. I do think that a game that needs manual keybind to be playable is simply poorly designed.
Thats 100% Facts. I can guarantee my key binds are completely different than yours, but I can hit anything i need on impulse without even thinking anyone who sticks to basic key binds and doesn't adjust for Top tier jets Will have a hell of a time. I mean just the difference in Setting your Rudder axis and stuff like that makes a huge difference in Jets!
@@rexxmen I just mapped it so my W and S Keys control elevator, middle scroll does WEP on hold, etc. Just some basic keybinds maakes the game so much better.
I wonder if the jets who are constantly killing prop planes in custom battles are the ones who bought their way to top tier and got frustrated with AB and RB.
i remember playing the italian low tier event plane in air RB just for a test, my team mates manage to got 2 kills and i got the rest, i felt so bad that i promissed to myself to not play low tiers ever again, then i finally got top tier tanks just to watch people get slammed in similiar way :/
Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob. And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s They just turn off their brain an i destroy em. The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
@@BeanzWarThunder I actually fell like people in top tier just turn off they brains both in air and ground battles. I particularly doesn't enjoy supersonic jets but 9/10 games that I play, a match is decided in the first 3 minutes or earlier, it's really sad
@@BeanzWarThunder at 10.3 i feel the f8,s are the best planes atleast for my play style fly high and drop on unsuspecting enemies i tend to get 2-3 kills a game but occasionally fie to a sparrow or aim9c
@@colejones594 I eat F8 for breakfast with r3r's and explode them from back with mig21. Most hard plane to fight is f5c, because they are like goblins and will never let you go.
I think one advantage about this is that when I as a player with over 10 days in ingame statistics in mostly jet fighters as I prefer jet combat, when using the F5C which is an aircraft that i love for what it is, I often get situations where players in tech tree planes deactivate their brain when fighting against me because they think that I have the F5C must mean I'm a noob. I have even had people start to randomly give me tips on things I already know in chat when I am the last person alive just because they assumed I didn't know shit because I was using a premium aircraft.
Just so this doesn't get misunderstood: I have 2500 hours in playtime on steam, what i mean with ingame statistics is when I look at fighter RB playtime in my profile in game.
@@atomic9551 Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought it. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob. And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s They just turn off their brain an i destroy em. The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
@@BeanzWarThunder The guns on the f-5 are like an extension of my soul. Its like I just have to think about hitting someone and they die. I love that thing.
@@BeanzWarThunder same, but i went to the harrier gr. 1 to grind Britain, caught most high lvl players off guard with its ridiculous maneuverability. (thrust vectoring makes the turns way faster)
I've been noticing this a lot lately. My go-to, relaxation plane is the F-8E, which should be facing brutal matchmaking and is a very difficult plane to fly (without breaking it). I face tons of A-10 earlies, F-5Cs, A-5Cs, etc. I'm not great, but I'm great in that plane (if you ignore how often I break my own wings), and it's really just because I understand how things work. I never got an Ace til I got into top tier, because suddenly so many people just don't understand the strengths and weaknesses. I've also been playing rank 2 Air RB a lot lately, and that's actually way more competitive. Part of that is that there as some really wide gaps in capability (particularly climb rate) which aren't very well reflected in the BRs, so there are a lot of good seal clubbing planes in that tier. I've been flying the P-40C down there, which I consider a good plane, but it doesn't have any ridiculous advantages, and it can be a tough BR bracket because there are a lot of people flying their favorite planes down there, and they've been flying the same plane for years now. People in tier 2 actually know their manual engine controls, their perfect climb speeds, optimum altitude's etc. I mean, I know that my P-40C can match or exceed the maneuverability of a Bf 109 at 12,000 feet and 250 mph IAS, but there are a lot of players who know they can choke my engine out at 15,000 feet, or that I'll lose my agility advantage below 9,000. Many players in tier 2 know exactly which parts to aim for, and they can aim confidently with stealth rounds. Ironically, my BR 2.3 experience is a lot more competitive, because there are so many more really veteran players down there.
Honestly when the new update come out I’m gonna be steering away from top tier USA, the squadron Abrams will probably have the same effect as the leopard 2PL and that sucks. Top tier is already a one and done fest but with the new buyable Abrams it will be so, so much worse. I will seek refuge in the French tech tree, the repair costs will scare away new players.
yeah i'm mostly a USA main but next update i'll be grinding any other nation that's rarely with USA although i'm sure gayjin will put them in both teams so we can't fucking escape them
Big brain move ngl. Usually, only REAL pros and gigachad plays expensive repair cost because they know how much capable the vehicle is (not all vehicles apply to this). Kudos mate
I bought the x-m1 and decided that I was gonna grind the get the abrams. In my opinion it was a really good purchase, it took me about 2 months casually grinding to get the m1 and another month of on and off playing to get the m1a2 (this was quite fast because I had premium). It took me about 150 games(about what you said) in the x-m1 to really get a feel for top tier but in my experience it was worth the struggle because I have a blast in the 9.0-11.0 br range now that I really know what I’m doing. For me nothing felt better than getting clapped and clapped game after game then get good enough to slap those people silly. Was worth the grind
The whole "high level players shouldn't play low tier" thing is BS. For me personally the game stops being fun when you get to the tiers where thermals and laser range finders become common, so why would I waste my time playing in those tiers when I could actually enjoy myself playing lower to mid tiers. Also there's the fact that you might be grinding out a new tree or vehicle you haven't spaded. Or in my case often my ground tree is much higher than my air tree because I only fly out in GRB, and it's pointless taking out a 2.7 fighter into a 5.7 match where you will get shredded. So You make a 2.7 ground line up so that your aircraft is actually competitive while you spade it. There's plenty of reasons someone might prefer lower and middle tiers and at the end of the day it's no one else's business
Sounds like you were beat up pretty bad going up the ranks and now you want to make sure others have the same crappy time you did. Classic gatekeeper behavior.
This is 100% a very real problem. Far too often am I in a match where either I can't kill anything or I am in a 1v4 within 4 minutes of match start because one team had experienced players and one team had inexperienced players. Inexperienced players rarely have a solid grasp on any of the following items (Applying to Air-RB). -Energy management -How to use altitude -Weapons employment -Countermeasures employment -Knowledge of radar systems -Defensive flying -Positioning -Baiting & Teamplay -Fuel management -Ammo conservation & gunnery -Knowledge of your opponents and ally's aircraft & systems Every one of the items listed above plays an important part in someone's success as a pilot. Many think that TT Jets is purely RNG, yet make many more mistakes than those who they are facing. But they don't know they're making those mistakes. So players become angry and protest to gaijin to "fix" the game. Unfortunately, since this group of people tend to be the most vocal, those "fixes" end up being implemented, at the cost of requisite skill. It is in this sense the duty of the experienced players to inform and teach the inexperienced players. If nothing is taught, nothing good will come...
whenever someone say top tier's becoming bottom tier I always think of 'Tonoight om bot'om Gear' Homond crashes a car, James saois Oh Cocke m8, and i smooke a blunt'
It is much easier to learn to play top tier that it is to grind it, Top tier tank RB has more in common with 1 BR AB than with 7.3BR RB, (because Lasers, Thermal, Darts and speed), the biggest thing they are missing is map knowledge, but the spots also change from BR to BR. I have seen people in all kinds of planes and tanks do stupid thing, like people in F-4J not launching any flares, when they had full load of them, but I have also seen people who were "just" level 20 who had only top tier matches (thanks to premium aircraft), and they were doing well, while I agree that it can lead to people quiting the game for good, I do thing it is necessary evil, because not everyone is interested in props (at least I was not, grinding through that was only pain for me) and if they buy jet and they have will to learn, they will be good top tier player long before anyone who will be grinding through the tree. Also some people quit because of the grind and this can help againts that. Sry for my bad english, I am not a native speaker
To be fair, air grind is alot easier than ground grind. just surviving long enough in air battles and your team winning while you farm some ground targets can get you some good XP, while in ground battles, if you do badly and don't cap, you won't get much, even in a win. especially since you don't have NPC targets to get a few xp and SL from. and getting a cheap premium at rank 3 or 4 can speed up the grind between late props and early jets alot without out-buying your skill level. while that's also true for ground, for good progress you really need more than one tank, with lineups the grind is definitely faster. but there often aren't several premiums at the same BR level for ground, so a single prem doesn't accelerate the grind as much, since your other tanks will earn regularly.
Honestly, I'd disagree about ground. Cause, while I'm not exactly a noob, I'm not a great player either, only having up to 5.7 br researched in ground vehicles. Yet after getting the BMP-2M (with squadron points, not GE), even with an incredibly scuffed lineup, I manage to do ok. Especially when squadded up with friends. Honestly, I'd say that top tier ground takes less skill than mid tier.
As a player, new to the game for a second time( Downloaded it, got frustrated, deleted it),I can say without a doubt, the lower tiers are also full of seal clubbers. I mean this game has a brutal enough learning curve without having to get past the gatekeepers who delight in making "noobs" suffer like they did. The worst is the spawn campers since they dont even allow a chance at getting good since you are hosed upon entering the game. I am gonna give it another week or two but I honestly think the clubbers are going to get the better of me and once again it will be regulated to the dust bin, which is a shame since the game itself is so much more than WoT.
Whenever I end helping my friends get into war thunder and are helping them get up and out of low tier I kind of feel bad because unless I play some vehicles I know I'm not great with I just end up actually anihilating the enemy team. Will say at least I'm making it a little bit easier for my friends, maybe you need to find a squadmate to help you through, not necessarily a super good player but just someone you can learn to work with and that almost always has your back.
I'm sorry man that those people ruin it for you I'm rank 91 and only go back to help friends and I hope that your experience gets better because this game really does feel rewarding to play and unlock stuff
@@Player_nate2008 Thank you for the positive comment. I will try to remember this advice whilst being teabagged by the spawn campers who I find to be a particularly loathsome form of pond scum.
@@rodncin Man what's you're username I can help you out a bit if you need it. Mine's Nesy_ (god I'm gonna get so many random friend requests now aren't I)
So heres a thought. Yes people can tell who is newer or not by the planes they use but the big issue for me is that you can check other players profiles mid game. Kinda lame the good players can look and go "oh look that guy is new with that plane or he doesnt have a good winrate so im going to run him down first". Its frustrating for the enemy team to be able to see your stats/level then focus you. That annoyed me beyond hell as i was grinding my first trees. They should turn that off.
I mean that may be the case but I have around 3k hrs in game and I might of checked someone’s stats like once and that’s cause they were doing insanely good and I was like you wtf lol. I could be wrong but I honestly just think it’s not something anyone is doing. Especially in rb. It’s not even really applicable because the enemy doesn’t show up on the map
the problem is, that players like myself that almost exclusively play ground rb, want to unlock some CAS for all their lineups and the fastest way to do it is to pick the premium top tier plane that has a 560 rp booster. I just dont have time to play 30 air mqtches everyday as well as tanks
I did this with the A10. I bought it, I knew I wanted it. I refused to touch it until I had researched my way up to 9.7 or around that area. I hopped into the A-10 and I had some good games, some bad games. But I was content with the skill I was playing at since it would've been way way worse if I had just bought it and hopped in while I was still flying biplanes
It is a problem. But I think a missed part is that a lot of folks just have no interest in WW2 props. There have been lots of games with a playstyle very close to war thunder with props. Some people just want to fly jets/drive MBTs. The amount of grind needed means those players can either burn out on the game from playing stuff they don't like.. or pay and burn out from the seal clubbing.
Back in the day I bought the Harrier GR.1 with no experience in jets. Fortunately I was a longtime flight sim enjoyer so I found myself in the top 5 pretty much every match. Completely annihilated the UK tech tree with that. Now that there's a premium Chally, my guilty pleasure tank, I can't wait to finish up the last few bits of the ground tree.
And now we have rank 7 premiums which are only a 0.4 BR tick from the top of top tier. Especially with the new rank 8s, players buying these new packs are going to get absolutely clobbered. I'm preordering the MiG-23 but I've flown top tier for 6 months or so now.
I bought the a-10 early when it was preorder(keep in mind I'm level 100 marshal) and I was playing it because I was grinding top tier jets and I figured it wouldn't hurt(and truthfully I just wanted the brrrt title). I was shocked at how bad many newb a-10 players were, but it made the matches funny because I knew how to play top tier matches and most people didnt expect the a-10 early to not be a seal. When you know what your doing, seal clubbers are actually kinda terrified of you from my experience. I have had matches where seal clubbers would go at me like a seal and I would be able to deal with them and then I would be practically left alone until no one else was left or we won the match. I do agree that this is a problem, but I wanted to share a bit of a funny side of it.
@@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647 Good thing that there is not so many A10 anymore and remaining ones usually know what they are doing and just shred tanks after killing 1 or 2 poor souls with no flaers.
I bought the XM-1 when I was 6.7 and got crushed hahahaha I realized that I should learn the maps, how to move and pay attention to the map and after months of mastering those things I can now play kinda goo the XM-1. I had to figure it out by myself and I totally agree with you that people should first learn the game, and than buy top tier premiums. I would even go as far as saying that you should only buy top tier premiums to grind other nations, not the one that you manually grinded.
You did it right MeMrMellow, you realized that in order to play better even if you had already bought the premium vehicle that you should practice at the low tier stuff first learning the maps, learning about each vehicle and where to kill it, I applaud you good sir, and this is coming from a 9 year veteran of the game.
I have researched the leopard 2 pl however I haven’t even bought yet because I’m too scared that I’m going to get annihilated. I 100% agree that you should first learn the game and maps before you buy a top tier.
@@waavycookie7243 by all means buy the 2PL Mr. Cookie, its a great tank, in fact to get familiar with it play in PVE Assault mode, but here is where everyone who buys a premium vehicle or high tier vehicle with out a BR appropriate line up make the mistake, you don't play high tier vehicles like low tier vehicles, unlike low tier vehicles who have crappy low caliber or who use armor piercing ballistic cap rounds, top tier vehicles utilize APFSDS(Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) which have a shorter flight time so longer range and more accurate shots are possible. At low tiers you can sit out in the open and fire at someone and the game will be pretty forgiving b/c of the ballistic characteristics of shell deviation currently in game, that shell deviation disappears at high tier b/c of the larger caliber guns and APFSDS characteristics, so you cannot sit in the open as much at high tier and must seek cover either behind a hill, rock, or building while peek out momentarily to fire and retreat to cover. Now you shouldn't abandon the capture points however, a typical playstyle for smart experienced team starts as a few people 3-4 attack the capture points, while everyone else gets into a position to stop the enemy advance or flanks the enemy trying to come out of their spawn effectively cutting the flow of reinforcements off. By doing this you are not only taking people out of the game but also diverting attention from the capture points which can allow your team to capture them and move up to support your flank from the front.
@@IceMarsoc77 the sitting in the open stuff is more that in top tier, almost everyone has thermals to spot you immediately and everyone has laser rangefinders for accurate shots at any distance. especially if you just sit around. at low tier rangefinding takes a while, many people don't even do it and guess the distance, which might result in a miss that warns you of being targeted if it drops to the ground near you.
This is exactly how I feel but in reverse, I can usually get top 5 in ground rb tanks, and am really decent in planes in ground rb attacking tanks and defending my self, but have absolutely no idea what I’m doing in air rb. I maybe get one kill per game, but it’s luck because I just don’t understand what I should be doing yet lol.
I remember quite well when i got my Leopard 1, and started getting put in mostly 8.3 br battles. I had to relearn the entire game, as its a different beast, and a lot more difficult. I'd never recommend starting with a br10 tank to start the game. You'll only die, and never have a chance to learn.
All my matches in top tier (ground rb) is always me getting top score with 7-8 kills while my teammates are lvl 12 and played 3 matches, they drive in the middle of the open and dies once and leaves the game witch makes my team to always loose.
This is why I made Richthofen Air Academy for Sim in WT SB to help the new players especially those who wanted to be playing the top tiers already so that they would be trained on what and what not to do and also their survival to rtb safely. so that instead of letting them being killed by experienced players and suffer from it in my academy we can lessen that suffering by teaching them what are the right things to do.
I bought myself the premium F-86 not too long ago, and I've honestly stopped using it (I'm rank 3). Its so enticing yet unplayable being a lower rank player with a top tier (mildly top tier) vehicle, I guess most people dont realise that warthunder has a very high skill curve. Oh well, when I eventually get to the tech tree F-86's I'll be glad I bought the premium.
I want to give you many kudos for all of the many posts that I have taken time to enjoy. I am a noob and having spent a part of my life as an enlisted USAF fighter mechanic, "Nam Vet 2x, this game - it's really a simulator in my mind - . It certainly requires many months of devotion to be a devoted player. I do find myself frustrated by it bunches. I adapt to that by taking time outs, troll your posts and watch videos posted by other players who are skilled and worthy participants. I believe that the most important aspect of the game is learning maps, above all other skills, especially in GRB and GAB. Keep up the good werk, plz?!?
I had never played planes much but got the F-5C and it's been the best purchase I've had in warthunder. I hated props but absolutely love jets. Have over a 1.0 K/D with it but even the rare match I don't get a kill its just fun and more fast paced.
You are right about air RB, just today as an experienced air rb player, I’m grinding the US tree for the f-14 with my f-5c. It is rare in a match to find myself being below 2-3 kills. And a good 1/3 of those matches I’ve been getting 4-5 kill games. It is a pandemic of fresh players playing at high levels of play and making it extremely tough at times to get wins, most of the time I had to carry games. I often times called it reserve tier but with jets. P.S. I grinded an entire TT as a free to play player before I even purchased a top tier premium.
I can speak from experience that buying your way up to a higher tier is the worst possible decision. I remember i bought my way only up to rank 5 air with the Sea Hawk Mk.100 when my highest was like 4.3. Needless to say it didn’t go well. But that is when i started the game and now i am much more experienced with the entirety of the German air tree spaded.
yea its struggle. I bought G.91 R4 for italy, but only when i reached centauro's. and mind me I had probably less than 50hrs of air battles. bought it solely for ground battles as I hate air battles more than anything. But now Ive gotten whole italy air tree almost done with that 1 plane in ground battles.
With all the toptier premium i'm pretty sure we reached a point where there is proportionally more experienced players in 2.7 3.7 than in 8.7 9.7 10.7 X)
I've been in this game now at least five years and I've never purchased a premium vehicle. I'm not against it. I just haven't run out of challenges yet grinding through the regular tech trees. When I do, I'll probably buy some. But at my current pace, that's going to be a while. And thanks to the benevolence of Gaijin (bends knee and bows), I've been awarded at least 20 Talismans as battle trophies in one tech tree. So it's almost like my lineup is full of premium vehicles anyway. Keep up the good work. Your channel is helpful.
what I especially hate at those high br is that these people only have that one tank or plane in their line-up. So not only do they have no idea what they're doing and die fats, but once they're dead, they go back to the hangar and that's a teammate less for the rest of the game. SO many times i've played games were 2-3 mins in about 1/3 of the team is already gone bcs as soon as they die they leave the game bcs they have no other vehicle to play. And as the last vehicle used is still written in the scoreboard, you can definitely see if it was a premium or not
when your playing 10.0 tanks and sitting next to a building repairing and watching 3 premium tanks literally drive right past you because they dont know how to use thermals or just havent developed the eyesight yet and then get angry in the chat when you "suddenly" behind them with a puma and wipe all 3 of them
I’ve been playing since February 17 of 2020. The first premium tank I bought was the XM1 GM, and this was after I got to rank 4 america. People called me stupid for buying it, yet I never regretted it. The purchase of a tank like that helped me understand what I would be seeing in war thunder. It helped me get used to the game and understand it’s mechanics. Around Christmas of 2020, I got my first top tier tank which was the M1A2. From then I just kept playing and advancing my knowledge and skills of this game that I seemingly fell in love with. I saw everything added, I played alongside these new vehicles premium and squadrons, I fought them and I noticed they are not so bad. In my eyes, squadron vehicles server their purpose. They give free to play players a chance to earn something that they worked for. Does it take time? Yes, is it worth it, well, yeah. I feel like premium and squadron vehicles will help new players learn how to play this game, and then too will be in the position as all of us. They will become smart and learn the game, they will understand what this game has to offer. I never saw a real issue with these premium vehicles. And on the bright side, people like me, these vehicles tend to bolster our lineups adding that extra vehicle that will potentially save a battle and earn us more XP and points. That’s my opinion however, but I understand the frustration of it.
From my experience grinding the russian trees, most tiers there is always 1-2 players per match that are 100 marshal with 55-65% win rate who usually have the most kills with 3-5 good team mates and 3-5 one death leavers/people who went 1/3. At top tier there is always that one dude with a 8 wheel vehicle that goes at 100kph rushing for spawn camp or sniping from a really unlikely spot 1 min into the match. This is mainly from a GR perspective.
For Ground anyway, high tier does have some tech perks that makes some aspects of it a lot easier. Specifically vehicles with thermal optics. Older tanks have low magnification and it’s hard to see enemies hiding or using bushes (in RB/SB modes). Whereas with top tier tanks you have thermals and crazy zoom levels (not to mention instant laser rangefinders that automatically adjust elevation and controllable ATGMs) and if you play decently smart (don’t run around with your a$$ hanging out) you can have some good games and not have grinded your way to that BR.
Yeah thermal makes the game basically palyable. :D At least for me cuz my eyes are basically useless, if i get an open map in WWII lineup than i can f myself. :D With my XM-1, Leo etc yeah i get gang raped when i get maps which u can't play around 6.7 BR but still better experience than dealing with braindead tigers and bushwankers with 6 p2w bushes. :D If u can get at least 2 top tier vhiecle in one lineup than u have enough playtime/match to learn the maps and you don't be a huge drawback for your team . Top on that there are some mid tier TT and prem tanks which are completly capabel of killing top tiers from the side. U can always have some cheeky kill on spawn campers with a t-34-100. :D Spawn protection powa.
During grindig the ussr tank tree, i got the is6 , grinded my way with it to 7.7 br while playing other tech tree tanks as well. It was a huge help. Now that i'm stepping up to 8.0, I got the t72 av turms to help grind the rest of the line.
To be fair, I'd say the IS-6 is still decent to learn the ropes with, since you have a gun that you need to aim with against certain enemies, but not everyone, and no assisting systems like laser range finder or thermals. getting by without these is still an important skill in top tier, but most people just skip acquiring those and will never learn about it if they don't ever sit in tanks that don't have them.
The most pain is when you try to gring some tech tree up but matchmaking I flooded with premiums on your side and in the process you loose every single game
im a level 78 with like 1500-2000 something games and I am still getting seal clubbed and I have grinded the American tech tree to around 7.7 ground and 8.7 air, and Gerrmany 6.0 ground and 4.0 air and then with Russia 10.0 Ground and 11.0 Air. this game has such a steep learning curve. when I was grinding through tech trees I mainly bought premium vehicles at the rank or 1 rank higher than what I was researching so I wasn't just thrown into top tier it took a while but now im there
Nice video, I did do the Cardinal sin of buying two High tier vehicles as a noob (been plying since start of May), but I made it my goal to only use these vehicles once I got to their tiers naturally and I have been seeing some success, it also helped my mate was giving me tips on how to fly the A5c at top tier, but if it wasn’t for the sales I wouldn’t of purchased either prems, currently grinding out the ZTZ59D1 and the F38-40 and I’ve been loving the game but cheers for the general advice love ya channel
I know a lot of people will disagree but I view major changes in br as a completely different game. The amount of information that can be carried from bottom-mid tier to top tier is almost negligible. It plays so differently from ww2 to modern planes that I find it hard to use effective tactics that can be used in both tiers. Tanks is way different but only do to the map knowledge. Knowing a ww2 tanks weak spot is not going to help you in top tier. The main difference in both is speed. Higher br is faster in every way. It might be harder and more difficult to learn at a higher speed but if you want to play the game for modern vehicles the only thing you are is a noob learning a game. Just like someone who grinded the whole tree and is now getting destroyed their few first battles of modern.
yup true, i mean you can kinda boom and zoom but its not rlly the same as u can climb 3k meters and loose like 150km/h and regain that speed in like 2,5 seconds,
I will admit, I’ve bought a top tier jet twice. BUT I do as much research on them and their play style and practice with them. The only aircraft that I regret of the two is the Mig-21MF. I just can’t master it, but the Sea Vixen was a good choice for me. I am fairly experienced when it comes to aircraft and I already have the f-80 and are soon to get my first MBT (although I haven’t bought a top tier tank yet, nor plan to.)
The mig 21 MF is very good especially with the r-60 missles I would recommend climbing to 25-30 thousand feet and boom and zooming with the r60s and use that speed! Good luck 👍
After watching this video, I have to admitt Im looking forward to high tier fights now. I recently picked up the game again after a 4 year hiatus (you can thank the upcomming Tomcat update for that) and am currently grinding my way up the US techtree, currently derping around at Rank IV in my P-51D-5. Let me tell you, its a pain, nearly everyone and their mother can outfly, outrun or outgun me but Im slowly progressing to where I can actually keep a positive income balance. So yeah, being able to make some cheap kills in higher tiers does sound like it could make my life a little easier honestly. Im actually going to join your discord in hopes of finding someone to look over my gameplay and give me some pointers on where I could improve. I play mostly Air RB these days.
Honestly, sticking with the p47d28 is way better for grinding, don’t get into 6.0 because it’s F2G1 vs premium German bomber, best early jet is the f84, get the f86A5 and learn how to roll, than forget all that when you get WEP capable jets, than hope you get 1 kill with the f86F2 in a 10.0 match, honestly it’s not worth it, and with repair costs piling up from each failed attempt to get better and have a functional aircraft is just mind numbing, if you really want top tier experience buy one of the following aircraft: F5C, MIG 21 pfm and F4F early, preferably the F5C because you won’t need to stock grind
sadly I used to be one of these players, but I persevered and now I'm nearing top tier. My main rule for people wanting to buy a premium is: only buy a premium if you are at that tier.
I will say I agree with this, but the only issue with your argument is win rate. Win rate is not equivalent to skill anymore simply BECAUSE of the people buying into top tier, or teams are just incompetent. Yes though, the people that buy into top tier, have no line ups, and no time in ruin it.
I have played near-exclusively the US Air tree since 1.67, when I started playing. I have over 3000 battles in the F-4E. When the F-4F Early hit, it was a field day. No awareness or anything came from them. These are the kinds of players you could reliably hit with an AIM-7E from 15km.
I can confirm this and realized this after buying the F5c when it was half off and getting curb stomped only managing to get 1 to 2 kills every 3 to 4 games and that I needed to take a break from jets and actually work my way up
I have almost 3k hours and I took off in a jet once, looked behind me to see who I might hit as I lifted, and turned back around to find I am slamming into the ground. Wasn't my day, a distracted Denis some might say.
Ive been playing WT since 2012, when tanks were closed beta, and its always been my "once-twice a week" game, full Free-to-Play. Now that i have some friends who play on high BR's, im investing more and more time. Ive reached my USSR up to 6.3 and Germans up to 5.7, its been hella slow. And i STILL feel like im not skilled enough to buy something higher than 7.0 since it starts getting different in there. AND IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PLANES, cause ive been on Arcade for almost 10 years, and the very first match in RB i did what? Ripped my wings off! So yes, thank you for your content, ive learned a lot. Considering just bying premuim on sales and working my way up top. As one said, "There are no shortcuts for becoming a Pirate King" >;D From Russia, with love
I hate seeing people who buy high tier vehicles because they do terrible like you said but after a while they will get angry by dieing over and over making them quit this game is so much fun all you need to do is have patience
I see this a lot, particularly in regards to situational awareness. I’ve gotten so many kills on people just flying forward and not paying attention at all. It’s even worse when they have flares, I’ve killed no shortage of A-10s with IR missiles (namely R-60s) even when that plane has literally hundreds of flares.
I'm at 9.3 Germany right now, I bought the Leopard L44. My win rates right now aren't great because of people spawning in a Leopard L44, immediately dying, and then leaving the game. The amount of times half of my team has collapsed around me is absolutely ridiculous. Gaijin needs to do something about this because it's absolutely ruining top tier and it's going to drive all of these noobs away from the game
Whenever I play my F5C i just play the mouse role. Get everyone to chase me while I dodge missiles etc. and pray my teammates take advantage. Im a OG at WT since (2012) so I’ve been flying a lot and know ppl lose to group up on a “easy” prey
It was the same for me with the F5c, when I first bought it the plane was really bad for me, I just didn’t have the skill to use it, but now that I have more experience in the game I get at least 3 kills per match, getting first place in Air RB, it is a insane vehicle when it comes to its turn rate and a money printing machine, you can destroy only one base and you’ll already have profit (with no premium acc)
That's exactly how I felt like after playing Panzer 4 C after playing with my Panther Fs and Tiger 2s for a while. I think my craziest match i killed 15 tanks or something in arcade
So, in War Thunder you do not really grind tanks, YOU GRIND CREWS. So many of the players in high tier will have max level crews. This means they get faster reloads, better maneuvering, better survivability, better detection (This means they see you first so your dead), better gun accuracy. So, if you buy a high tier to grind out low tier, you are going to learn what PAIN is all about. Also, low tier is very forgiving when you ride gets exploded you can still earn some crowns. High tier vehicles lose big coin if you do not do well. SO DO NOT DO IT.
as a new player who has gotten better, not good, better, who bought to top tier, I see what you mean, I adapted really quickly (I honestly don't know how) but you can see many similarities between the bottom teir and top tiers
Honestly, I never understood why people who have a 30/180 K/D keep playing the game or at least keep playing at the top. you have no idea what you're doing, achieve nothing, yet people stick to it at top tier where they don't even know why they die instead of learning the ropes in the beginning. Or playing a different game, for that matter. Just feels so weird to me.
Unfortunately for console players, there are very limited buttons to use for mechanization, shooting different weapons, and fully controlling aircraft axes (is that the plural of axis? I honestly have no idea). Also, I am experiencing a stupid glitch when I change my controls. When I try to edit a control, the snail looks me in the eyes and says fk you. It will let me select a button for a control and proceed to not register it at all. It just goes right back to the previous control. Anyone know a fix to this?
some days ago I decided to casually play J-7E for a while. To my surprise, US teams were getting absolutely wrecked, and it took me about 13 matches to die once. There’s something about Lv30s playing tomcat, like what the hell is with that. I’m not even a good player and was getting 2-3 kills per match, granted the PL-5Bs are amazing missiles, but the fact that nobody was paying attention to me, or even remotely anyone decided to launch a missile at me was incredibly ridiculous.
@@yusuf6480 no ground pounding is easy u literally point and click, but aa is hard atleast once in a blue moon my shots land and I can never lead the shots
two years later it is the complete opposite. I flew 20 matches at br 4.3 in air rb props and EVERY GAME there was at least two lvl 100s and i lost 12 matches. Those twelve losses were because these lvl 100s were definitely communicating each other via discord or voice chat and those 12 lossses had at least 3 lvl 100s in each of those matches. Almost every game the enemy team had 16 people and 8 were above lvl 40 and at least 4 were under lvl 20 and always there was about 4 lvl 90+ players. these people were probably playing at this br for: a. grinding the israel tech tree b. mercilessly killing low level players c. low tier connoisseurs only 1 match had anyone with an israeli plane and most lvl 100s had grinded out both air and ground tech trees. these guys should not be going against people who are inexperienced expecting to be matched with an enemy team who is close in skill/in game level.
trying to get into war thunder was horrendous in my case, it was quite the hastle to understand the game and how it worked. After enduring the torture and constantantly being seal clubbed. I just stopped. I knew from the start I won't be able to reach the modern vechs without putting many hours. This was in 2018 when it was easier to grind. But since the new econ changes, I feel bad for the newer people.
It’s a hard position for people like me who have zero interest in modern vehicles and don’t want to seal club. So yeah, I have over 1000 spawns each in the M4X, T-34X and the PzX, which means that I rarely have to use the gunner view to connect even a long shoot with those. That, coupled with map knowledge etc., does put newer players at a disadvantage. However, it’s not as if I have no counters as there are plenty of other experienced players at most BRs and plenty of opportunities for getting killed anyway. Frankly, I wouldn’t still play if I was in god mode. Plus, I do other things to reduce the seal clubbing; I never spawn camp in any form, I take out SPAA purely for AA and I repair, rescue and otherwise assist teammates whenever I can. Actually, this keeps things fun for me I don’t need to be #1 on the team, or on a winning team, to have a fun game. Plus, I’m not grinding anything anymore so I don’t need SL really. Basically, I see low BR seal clubbing is a choice. And even when someone chooses to seal club, you can take some of their mojo by watching them in replay and learning from them. I still do this. As for newbies playing high tier? If it isn’t obvious to them why this makes them a low cal source of SL I doubt they have the grit to grind to top tier anyway (not really a lost player).
I can happily say I grinded USA for my first nation to top tier with only a premium account it took me many years after playin on and off but I got there, but it was the worst time of my life when I statrted playing for longer periods time super grinding... but I learned a lot, now I have USSR,GER,ISRAEL, and France at top tier. France is the most fun and stomps with their crazy reload speeds. But for people like me it is highly frustrating to get scrubs who have no idea what's going on and it ruins my game due to lack of help and to lack of teammate priorities and situational awareness. top tier you need to be fast and reactive as everyone has thermals and can see you even just the slightest
The community likes to blame the lack of knowledge of people buying top tier which you have actually seen evidence of but I've been fighting trying to grind my way through my first tank tree and have been absolutely slowed to a crawl at BR 7 with spawn camping and spawn camping CAS. I review my replays to see how people play and time and time again I see players who seem lost in a tank jumping into a plane and cleaning up. I have video of one person who angered a whole bunch of enemy with spawn camping and when we came for him he jumped into a bomber and bombed his own tank (and bailed out of the plane before the bombs hit) so he could score the kills of everyone around his now dead tank. A lot are doing things like this which requires limited knowledge of the maps or the tanks. Fun fact: I have video from a BR 1.0 match I fought (out of frustration with all the spawn camping CAS in BR 7) where there were 6 planes over my head just outside the spawn and I had no tanks in my lineup that could even shoot up. A level 100 got 15 kills in that match. You yourself celebrated using CAS to kill tanks, "for Free RP and SL" in your A-6E video. This is another cause of upper tier tank players who can't play tanks and makes perfect sense.
"You have people getting like 180 deaths and only 30 kills. How??" Bruh I'm new, trying to crack into rank 4 land vehicles USA rn, and I JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING. I'm always getting killed in one shot from random places or the overpowered AF airplanes kill me randomly and I don't get a chance to even practice the game. Cause I die with no way to particularly identify mistakes.
I bought my way into the russian tree with the turms. I did not do good the first 50 matches or so because i wasn't addapted to this BR. The problem i think is that the players are just one death leavers or teammates who just want to get a kill and don't really play the objective. I have now 800 games with my turms and my win rate is 30% with a 0.9 KD or so because you get clapped from the site or fueltank explode because there are no teammate who gives cover. The biggest problem is that everyone can purchase the premiums. A better way would be that you need a rank 4 tank to actually buy a rank 6 premium. But this is only one problem of 1000 with WT
I noticed that i have no idea what to do at top tier air rb as i grinded the entire swedish air tech tree in ground rb, the JA37C beeing the first propper top tier that i got a great crew on and spaded. I hoped into a battle and SMACK sparrow to the face from ages away.
too many lack the understanding of "paying your dues" they want instant top position and feel they are "too good" to be anything but at the top. this applies in many many things.
As someone with 4600 hours in game, any low level players who bought to top tier and people who brings low tier tanks (except big HE cannon cause haha funni) deserve no respect, sure one can argue that that some players have fun by bringing low tier tanks, but you shouldnt do that to the detriment of others time especially your own teammates
This video is really true. Last year about this time I purchased the USA Harrier and got destroyed. A year later I now have top tier tanks (11.0) and top teir aircraft (9.7). Now the harrier is one of my favorite planes I almost always get 2 kills but I am practically guaranteed 1. Don't buy your way to top tier.
The reason this kinda shit happens, its because gaijins fucking ads and promo vids are all about modern jets and tanks and IFVs, so when new players get on and see all the WW2 tanks they think “wtf, they were showing modern tanks” then they buy the high tier prems so they can play the vics that were advertised or to try and grind through the ww2 vics so they can play modern MBTs
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Before watching the video: this problem is extended to all jets from 8.3 and above. Wt needs clearly, isolated tiers of game for jets depending on their generation first of all, with br adjustments coming later. In no way a harrier should face a mig17, just to make an example.
No, just look at the Harrier 2 with 9Ls that faced A-4 Skyhawks at the Falklands.
That happend and could happen.
And era doesn't mean performance.
I think it's more crazy that the Me 163 and the Ki-200 can face an A-10 on a full uptier
@@leonardoamaro8778 Yeah, but they can face BR 8.3 too - and should face 7.3 at the same ratio.
But we all know, this system doesn't work all the time.
Not just air.
@@majo3488 You have no idea about aviation. The reason the Harrier had those missiles is because there was no other naval aircraft for air defense that was a pure interceptor at the time, so the Sea Harrier was used for air-to-air, but it was an exception. HMS Ark Royal had F4 Phantom but was decommissioned in 1979 so she did not participate in the war.
I have found the the higher tiers for Ground much easier than say 3.7 BR. Lower BR is indeed more challenging, tons of hardened vets.
playing rank 1 has more vets than playing rank 3+ lol
yea once in a 4.3 grb match my whole team was level 80-90+ except for me
i find low rb ez
as someone just starting out; it basically sucks I just pop up and insta-dead.
that's only because every top tier match has 50-67% new players that have
I bought my way into top tier years ago when I got the F11 to avoid the seal clubbers. I did poorly in jets, but I was much better in jets than in props. The issue is that the majority of the player base plays top tier, so the people playing low tier are those trying to grind up or those who have settled on a prop plane and have no desire to continue on. Those good prop players served as major gatekeepers that greatly slow progress for new players.
What sucks most about this game is that building the skill and experience to actually beat those prop players doesn't really help you in the long run. Jets play so differently that you are pretty much playing a different game. The most efficient way to progress is to just buy a top tier tank or plan and learn how to play that. You'll do terrible at first, but you will actually learn the skills relevant to top tier, which is what you're probably shooting for anyways. You'll get the hang of it after a few weeks or months and really start to have fun.
You are 100 percent correct people should just stop an let people buy what they want eventually they will learn to be good or quit the game
@@Raptor279e exactly. i dont want to spend thousands of hours grinding to the top for free just because veterans feel entitled to an unrealistically skilled opponent. in all honesty they should be complaining about how the grind is basically forcing people to spend money, not whining about people who just want to have fun are ruining their experience or whatever
@@josephthebroseph7421 ayy I spent thousands of hours grinding to top tier for the us tree alone, not worth it it took me 4 years
@@anonomyspizza exactly lol
@@josephthebroseph7421 on the other hand I got a friend who grinded the air tree in like 3-4 days with premium
As a person who played war thunder for almost 3 years, getting a kill in top tier every 3 games is what I consider a good game
hahah i play since 2013 at i consider getting 1 kill in 1 match an awesome day :D
@@sirbonobo3907 your standards suck
@@sirbonobo3907 Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob.
And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s
They just turn off their brain an i destroy em.
The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
Glad im not the only one who feels this way
yea I feel that 1 kill ever 3 games is pretty good
Part of the problem is that even at BR 1 or 2, it's filled with level 100 players. I see 6-10 100s even at low tier. It's almost impossible to learn when you just die and not even know where it's from.
that is precisely because the newer players don't play BR 1 and 2 anymore. if this trend of buying yourself up didn't start in the first place, bottom tier would be mostly new players and few veterans.
Also since even level 100 players are limited by the tanks' capabilities in BR 1-2, you have a better chance at knowing what mistake you made than at BR 9.0-9.7, where you can get sniped from across the map very accurately within seconds. deviation and slow shell velocity make that very unlikely in low tier, if you didn't sit in the open for a prolonged time.
I took a 2 year break. Came back to top tier seal clubbing when it used to be quite challenging. Now we’re getting 10.0 premiums which ruins 11.0 which is my safe place from steam rolled teams. Hopefully we see a BR increase to 12 soon to escape the M1 AIM spam. I’m 65% in GRB and the amount of times I just say what the fuck are you doing during matches is ridiculous
Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob.
And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s
They just turn off their brain an i destroy em.
The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
The AIM is a squadron vehicle. 🧐
@@wisps.388 You can buy them outright.
Doesn’t ruin 11.0. Makes 11.0 fun as we can hunt the 10.0 noobs
@@verstappen9937 yes thats what i mean
Started teaching my friend who is new to the game so we were playing rank 1 tanks. I noticed one guy was just massacring our team. I looked at his profile and what a shock he was lvl100. Between the bt5 and bt7 he had over 9000 kills... There is no way this should even be allowed especially at that br.
I grinded up to 9.0 Japan with some premium along the way and I still have some difficulties with jet planes. The reason why it is especially hard for new players is that plane basic controls are horrendous and everyone needs to keybind and adapt what's better for them. That processes take hundreds of hours of adaptation. However, I do think Gaijin could have done a better job on the keybind controls. I do think that a game that needs manual keybind to be playable is simply poorly designed.
Skill issue.
Thats 100% Facts. I can guarantee my key binds are completely different than yours, but I can hit anything i need on impulse without even thinking anyone who sticks to basic key binds and doesn't adjust for Top tier jets Will have a hell of a time. I mean just the difference in Setting your Rudder axis and stuff like that makes a huge difference in Jets!
I wouldn't say hundreds of hours but yeah, the default controls suck
@@rexxmen I just mapped it so my W and S Keys control elevator, middle scroll does WEP on hold, etc. Just some basic keybinds maakes the game so much better.
@@IEATU95 yeah. I do tanks on controller and planes on MnK so my controls don't even resemble the default ones anymore
I wonder if the jets who are constantly killing prop planes in custom battles are the ones who bought their way to top tier and got frustrated with AB and RB.
yup, i know exaclty what you're talking about,
SU-11 anyone?
lol i love to kill props in Custom Battles with my top tier jets... and im actually good at top tier air rb
@@NickThePilotUSA from those words you have lost all credibility of skill
@@spitfireflyer2205 check my channel and my player card , username is SixthNicksands :)
i remember playing the italian low tier event plane in air RB just for a test, my team mates manage to got 2 kills and i got the rest, i felt so bad that i promissed to myself to not play low tiers ever again, then i finally got top tier tanks just to watch people get slammed in similiar way :/
I mean now it's just a skill issue more than anything everyone says not to buy your way to top tier but ppl still do it so
Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought the f5c. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob.
And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s
They just turn off their brain an i destroy em.
The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
@@BeanzWarThunder I actually fell like people in top tier just turn off they brains both in air and ground battles. I particularly doesn't enjoy supersonic jets but 9/10 games that I play, a match is decided in the first 3 minutes or earlier, it's really sad
@@BeanzWarThunder at 10.3 i feel the f8,s are the best planes atleast for my play style fly high and drop on unsuspecting enemies i tend to get 2-3 kills a game but occasionally fie to a sparrow or aim9c
@@colejones594 I eat F8 for breakfast with r3r's and explode them from back with mig21. Most hard plane to fight is f5c, because they are like goblins and will never let you go.
I think one advantage about this is that when I as a player with over 10 days in ingame statistics in mostly jet fighters as I prefer jet combat, when using the F5C which is an aircraft that i love for what it is, I often get situations where players in tech tree planes deactivate their brain when fighting against me because they think that I have the F5C must mean I'm a noob. I have even had people start to randomly give me tips on things I already know in chat when I am the last person alive just because they assumed I didn't know shit because I was using a premium aircraft.
Just so this doesn't get misunderstood: I have 2500 hours in playtime on steam, what i mean with ingame statistics is when I look at fighter RB playtime in my profile in game.
@@atomic9551 Thats often the thing, i was 5.7 when i bought it. The first match i shred these guys cuz they tought im a noob.
And after one year of f5c experience i get 5 kills CONSISTENTLY(!) while fighting lvl100‘s
They just turn off their brain an i destroy em.
The aircraft really doesent fit the meta with aim9e‘s at 10.3 but you are maneuverable and small and this often gets you the upper hand in dogfights.
@@BeanzWarThunder The guns on the f-5 are like an extension of my soul. Its like I just have to think about hitting someone and they die. I love that thing.
@@Hartwig870 Thats so true, i had i 2,5 km snipe with them because the enemy flew in a straight line outspeeding me lmao
@@BeanzWarThunder same, but i went to the harrier gr. 1 to grind Britain, caught most high lvl players off guard with its ridiculous maneuverability. (thrust vectoring makes the turns way faster)
I lowkey feel the seal clubing and i grinded my way to the mig-17. Going from prop planes to jets is a very steep cliff in terms of skill
What's really unfair in WT is lvl 100 marshalls fighting lvl 37 majors like me. There should be matchmaking based on vehicle BR AND player experience.
I've been noticing this a lot lately. My go-to, relaxation plane is the F-8E, which should be facing brutal matchmaking and is a very difficult plane to fly (without breaking it). I face tons of A-10 earlies, F-5Cs, A-5Cs, etc. I'm not great, but I'm great in that plane (if you ignore how often I break my own wings), and it's really just because I understand how things work. I never got an Ace til I got into top tier, because suddenly so many people just don't understand the strengths and weaknesses.
I've also been playing rank 2 Air RB a lot lately, and that's actually way more competitive. Part of that is that there as some really wide gaps in capability (particularly climb rate) which aren't very well reflected in the BRs, so there are a lot of good seal clubbing planes in that tier. I've been flying the P-40C down there, which I consider a good plane, but it doesn't have any ridiculous advantages, and it can be a tough BR bracket because there are a lot of people flying their favorite planes down there, and they've been flying the same plane for years now. People in tier 2 actually know their manual engine controls, their perfect climb speeds, optimum altitude's etc. I mean, I know that my P-40C can match or exceed the maneuverability of a Bf 109 at 12,000 feet and 250 mph IAS, but there are a lot of players who know they can choke my engine out at 15,000 feet, or that I'll lose my agility advantage below 9,000. Many players in tier 2 know exactly which parts to aim for, and they can aim confidently with stealth rounds.
Ironically, my BR 2.3 experience is a lot more competitive, because there are so many more really veteran players down there.
Honestly when the new update come out I’m gonna be steering away from top tier USA, the squadron Abrams will probably have the same effect as the leopard 2PL and that sucks. Top tier is already a one and done fest but with the new buyable Abrams it will be so, so much worse. I will seek refuge in the French tech tree, the repair costs will scare away new players.
yeah i'm mostly a USA main but next update i'll be grinding any other nation that's rarely with USA although i'm sure gayjin will put them in both teams so we can't fucking escape them
Big brain move ngl. Usually, only REAL pros and gigachad plays expensive repair cost because they know how much capable the vehicle is (not all vehicles apply to this). Kudos mate
France, Japan or Brits are safe bets. Oh wait, desert storm challenger. Good god.
i got from the f4u to the f4j in 3 days so i am ready for the f14
Get yourself a therapist😂
Are you ok?
@@Kijby yeah just grinder 300k rp today so i am fine
@@bruticusgamer1049 that's the definition of not fine
@@pomelo9840 i know
I bought the x-m1 and decided that I was gonna grind the get the abrams. In my opinion it was a really good purchase, it took me about 2 months casually grinding to get the m1 and another month of on and off playing to get the m1a2 (this was quite fast because I had premium). It took me about 150 games(about what you said) in the x-m1 to really get a feel for top tier but in my experience it was worth the struggle because I have a blast in the 9.0-11.0 br range now that I really know what I’m doing. For me nothing felt better than getting clapped and clapped game after game then get good enough to slap those people silly. Was worth the grind
The whole "high level players shouldn't play low tier" thing is BS. For me personally the game stops being fun when you get to the tiers where thermals and laser range finders become common, so why would I waste my time playing in those tiers when I could actually enjoy myself playing lower to mid tiers.
Also there's the fact that you might be grinding out a new tree or vehicle you haven't spaded. Or in my case often my ground tree is much higher than my air tree because I only fly out in GRB, and it's pointless taking out a 2.7 fighter into a 5.7 match where you will get shredded. So You make a 2.7 ground line up so that your aircraft is actually competitive while you spade it.
There's plenty of reasons someone might prefer lower and middle tiers and at the end of the day it's no one else's business
I loved the game until it became thermal sight wack-a-mole. Same i stay away from 8.3 and up GRB
It's the business of the guy who literally just picked up the game a week ago 🤣
@@HasvenWorld eh they learn fast or gaijin already made its money on that player. Sucks but how it is
Sounds like you were beat up pretty bad going up the ranks and now you want to make sure others have the same crappy time you did. Classic gatekeeper behavior.
@@rodncin ignore that last comment lol i misread things if you got it
This is 100% a very real problem. Far too often am I in a match where either I can't kill anything or I am in a 1v4 within 4 minutes of match start because one team had experienced players and one team had inexperienced players.
Inexperienced players rarely have a solid grasp on any of the following items (Applying to Air-RB).
-Energy management
-How to use altitude
-Weapons employment
-Countermeasures employment
-Knowledge of radar systems
-Defensive flying
-Positioning
-Baiting & Teamplay
-Fuel management
-Ammo conservation & gunnery
-Knowledge of your opponents and ally's aircraft & systems
Every one of the items listed above plays an important part in someone's success as a pilot. Many think that TT Jets is purely RNG, yet make many more mistakes than those who they are facing. But they don't know they're making those mistakes. So players become angry and protest to gaijin to "fix" the game. Unfortunately, since this group of people tend to be the most vocal, those "fixes" end up being implemented, at the cost of requisite skill. It is in this sense the duty of the experienced players to inform and teach the inexperienced players. If nothing is taught, nothing good will come...
at least u can get GE etc as a free player from selling event vehicles and playing competetive
Yeah, but it requires you to play as a job. And it's a terrible job.
@@Tentacl Yep, 80 hours for one top tier crafting event prize. Never again.
whenever someone say top tier's becoming bottom tier I always think of 'Tonoight om bot'om Gear' Homond crashes a car, James saois Oh Cocke m8, and i smooke a blunt'
It is much easier to learn to play top tier that it is to grind it, Top tier tank RB has more in common with 1 BR AB than with 7.3BR RB, (because Lasers, Thermal, Darts and speed), the biggest thing they are missing is map knowledge, but the spots also change from BR to BR.
I have seen people in all kinds of planes and tanks do stupid thing, like people in F-4J not launching any flares, when they had full load of them, but I have also seen people who were "just" level 20 who had only top tier matches (thanks to premium aircraft), and they were doing well,
while I agree that it can lead to people quiting the game for good, I do thing it is necessary evil, because not everyone is interested in props (at least I was not, grinding through that was only pain for me) and if they buy jet and they have will to learn, they will be good top tier player long before anyone who will be grinding through the tree. Also some people quit because of the grind and this can help againts that.
Sry for my bad english, I am not a native speaker
To be fair, air grind is alot easier than ground grind. just surviving long enough in air battles and your team winning while you farm some ground targets can get you some good XP, while in ground battles, if you do badly and don't cap, you won't get much, even in a win. especially since you don't have NPC targets to get a few xp and SL from. and getting a cheap premium at rank 3 or 4 can speed up the grind between late props and early jets alot without out-buying your skill level. while that's also true for ground, for good progress you really need more than one tank, with lineups the grind is definitely faster. but there often aren't several premiums at the same BR level for ground, so a single prem doesn't accelerate the grind as much, since your other tanks will earn regularly.
Honestly, I'd disagree about ground.
Cause, while I'm not exactly a noob, I'm not a great player either, only having up to 5.7 br researched in ground vehicles. Yet after getting the BMP-2M (with squadron points, not GE), even with an incredibly scuffed lineup, I manage to do ok. Especially when squadded up with friends. Honestly, I'd say that top tier ground takes less skill than mid tier.
As a player, new to the game for a second time( Downloaded it, got frustrated, deleted it),I can say without a doubt, the lower tiers are also full of seal clubbers. I mean this game has a brutal enough learning curve without having to get past the gatekeepers who delight in making "noobs" suffer like they did. The worst is the spawn campers since they dont even allow a chance at getting good since you are hosed upon entering the game. I am gonna give it another week or two but I honestly think the clubbers are going to get the better of me and once again it will be regulated to the dust bin, which is a shame since the game itself is so much more than WoT.
Whenever I end helping my friends get into war thunder and are helping them get up and out of low tier I kind of feel bad because unless I play some vehicles I know I'm not great with I just end up actually anihilating the enemy team.
Will say at least I'm making it a little bit easier for my friends, maybe you need to find a squadmate to help you through, not necessarily a super good player but just someone you can learn to work with and that almost always has your back.
@@nesyboi9421 "I kind of feel bad" says it all...
I'm sorry man that those people ruin it for you I'm rank 91 and only go back to help friends and I hope that your experience gets better because this game really does feel rewarding to play and unlock stuff
@@Player_nate2008 Thank you for the positive comment. I will try to remember this advice whilst being teabagged by the spawn campers who I find to be a particularly loathsome form of pond scum.
@@rodncin Man what's you're username I can help you out a bit if you need it. Mine's Nesy_
(god I'm gonna get so many random friend requests now aren't I)
So heres a thought. Yes people can tell who is newer or not by the planes they use but the big issue for me is that you can check other players profiles mid game. Kinda lame the good players can look and go "oh look that guy is new with that plane or he doesnt have a good winrate so im going to run him down first". Its frustrating for the enemy team to be able to see your stats/level then focus you. That annoyed me beyond hell as i was grinding my first trees. They should turn that off.
I mean that may be the case but I have around 3k hrs in game and I might of checked someone’s stats like once and that’s cause they were doing insanely good and I was like you wtf lol. I could be wrong but I honestly just think it’s not something anyone is doing. Especially in rb. It’s not even really applicable because the enemy doesn’t show up on the map
@@dragonbank6807 for air RB its different tho with the nameplates. For some reason i see streamers and CCs do this alot and its made me paranoid haha
the problem is, that players like myself that almost exclusively play ground rb, want to unlock some CAS for all their lineups and the fastest way to do it is to pick the premium top tier plane that has a 560 rp booster. I just dont have time to play 30 air mqtches everyday as well as tanks
CAS and Japan doesnt go well together. No AA defense, and no CAS options.
I did this with the A10. I bought it, I knew I wanted it. I refused to touch it until I had researched my way up to 9.7 or around that area. I hopped into the A-10 and I had some good games, some bad games. But I was content with the skill I was playing at since it would've been way way worse if I had just bought it and hopped in while I was still flying biplanes
It is a problem. But I think a missed part is that a lot of folks just have no interest in WW2 props. There have been lots of games with a playstyle very close to war thunder with props. Some people just want to fly jets/drive MBTs. The amount of grind needed means those players can either burn out on the game from playing stuff they don't like.. or pay and burn out from the seal clubbing.
The solution is pretty easy to fix, SBMM. SBMM makes new players see "Oh, I can play whatever tank I want and not be destroyed every match."
Back in the day I bought the Harrier GR.1 with no experience in jets. Fortunately I was a longtime flight sim enjoyer so I found myself in the top 5 pretty much every match. Completely annihilated the UK tech tree with that. Now that there's a premium Chally, my guilty pleasure tank, I can't wait to finish up the last few bits of the ground tree.
And now we have rank 7 premiums which are only a 0.4 BR tick from the top of top tier. Especially with the new rank 8s, players buying these new packs are going to get absolutely clobbered. I'm preordering the MiG-23 but I've flown top tier for 6 months or so now.
I bought the a-10 early when it was preorder(keep in mind I'm level 100 marshal) and I was playing it because I was grinding top tier jets and I figured it wouldn't hurt(and truthfully I just wanted the brrrt title). I was shocked at how bad many newb a-10 players were, but it made the matches funny because I knew how to play top tier matches and most people didnt expect the a-10 early to not be a seal. When you know what your doing, seal clubbers are actually kinda terrified of you from my experience. I have had matches where seal clubbers would go at me like a seal and I would be able to deal with them and then I would be practically left alone until no one else was left or we won the match. I do agree that this is a problem, but I wanted to share a bit of a funny side of it.
my son does this as well, folks are always surprised when he nabs 4 kills in the A10A
@@cmurderfrumpbottoniv8647 Good thing that there is not so many A10 anymore and remaining ones usually know what they are doing and just shred tanks after killing 1 or 2 poor souls with no flaers.
I bought the XM-1 when I was 6.7 and got crushed hahahaha I realized that I should learn the maps, how to move and pay attention to the map and after months of mastering those things I can now play kinda goo the XM-1. I had to figure it out by myself and I totally agree with you that people should first learn the game, and than buy top tier premiums. I would even go as far as saying that you should only buy top tier premiums to grind other nations, not the one that you manually grinded.
Got it when I 8.0 max. Think it was M163 and a M48A1. Still problematic.
You did it right MeMrMellow, you realized that in order to play better even if you had already bought the premium vehicle that you should practice at the low tier stuff first learning the maps, learning about each vehicle and where to kill it, I applaud you good sir, and this is coming from a 9 year veteran of the game.
I have researched the leopard 2 pl however I haven’t even bought yet because I’m too scared that I’m going to get annihilated. I 100% agree that you should first learn the game and maps before you buy a top tier.
@@waavycookie7243 by all means buy the 2PL Mr. Cookie, its a great tank, in fact to get familiar with it play in PVE Assault mode, but here is where everyone who buys a premium vehicle or high tier vehicle with out a BR appropriate line up make the mistake, you don't play high tier vehicles like low tier vehicles, unlike low tier vehicles who have crappy low caliber or who use armor piercing ballistic cap rounds, top tier vehicles utilize APFSDS(Armor Piercing Fin Stabilized Discarding Sabot) which have a shorter flight time so longer range and more accurate shots are possible. At low tiers you can sit out in the open and fire at someone and the game will be pretty forgiving b/c of the ballistic characteristics of shell deviation currently in game, that shell deviation disappears at high tier b/c of the larger caliber guns and APFSDS characteristics, so you cannot sit in the open as much at high tier and must seek cover either behind a hill, rock, or building while peek out momentarily to fire and retreat to cover. Now you shouldn't abandon the capture points however, a typical playstyle for smart experienced team starts as a few people 3-4 attack the capture points, while everyone else gets into a position to stop the enemy advance or flanks the enemy trying to come out of their spawn effectively cutting the flow of reinforcements off. By doing this you are not only taking people out of the game but also diverting attention from the capture points which can allow your team to capture them and move up to support your flank from the front.
@@IceMarsoc77 the sitting in the open stuff is more that in top tier, almost everyone has thermals to spot you immediately and everyone has laser rangefinders for accurate shots at any distance. especially if you just sit around. at low tier rangefinding takes a while, many people don't even do it and guess the distance, which might result in a miss that warns you of being targeted if it drops to the ground near you.
I was tier 3 and bought t-72Av and at the start it was like that but i addaptef in the first 8 marches and now i get 2-6 kills a game
This is exactly how I feel but in reverse, I can usually get top 5 in ground rb tanks, and am really decent in planes in ground rb attacking tanks and defending my self, but have absolutely no idea what I’m doing in air rb. I maybe get one kill per game, but it’s luck because I just don’t understand what I should be doing yet lol.
I remember quite well when i got my Leopard 1, and started getting put in mostly 8.3 br battles. I had to relearn the entire game, as its a different beast, and a lot more difficult. I'd never recommend starting with a br10 tank to start the game. You'll only die, and never have a chance to learn.
All my matches in top tier (ground rb) is always me getting top score with 7-8 kills while my teammates are lvl 12 and played 3 matches, they drive in the middle of the open and dies once and leaves the game witch makes my team to always loose.
This is why I made Richthofen Air Academy for Sim in WT SB to help the new players especially those who wanted to be playing the top tiers already so that they would be trained on what and what not to do and also their survival to rtb safely. so that instead of letting them being killed by experienced players and suffer from it in my academy we can lessen that suffering by teaching them what are the right things to do.
I bought myself the premium F-86 not too long ago, and I've honestly stopped using it (I'm rank 3). Its so enticing yet unplayable being a lower rank player with a top tier (mildly top tier) vehicle, I guess most people dont realise that warthunder has a very high skill curve. Oh well, when I eventually get to the tech tree F-86's I'll be glad I bought the premium.
I want to give you many kudos for all of the many posts that I have taken time to enjoy. I am a noob and having spent a part of my life as an enlisted USAF fighter mechanic, "Nam Vet 2x, this game - it's really a simulator in my mind - . It certainly requires many months of devotion to be a devoted player. I do find myself frustrated by it bunches. I adapt to that by taking time outs, troll your posts and watch videos posted by other players who are skilled and worthy participants. I believe that the most important aspect of the game is learning maps, above all other skills, especially in GRB and GAB. Keep up the good werk, plz?!?
I had never played planes much but got the F-5C and it's been the best purchase I've had in warthunder. I hated props but absolutely love jets. Have over a 1.0 K/D with it but even the rare match I don't get a kill its just fun and more fast paced.
You are right about air RB, just today as an experienced air rb player, I’m grinding the US tree for the f-14 with my f-5c. It is rare in a match to find myself being below 2-3 kills. And a good 1/3 of those matches I’ve been getting 4-5 kill games. It is a pandemic of fresh players playing at high levels of play and making it extremely tough at times to get wins, most of the time I had to carry games. I often times called it reserve tier but with jets. P.S. I grinded an entire TT as a free to play player before I even purchased a top tier premium.
Lmao got a fucking 5 kill Ace in my Harrier GR.1 because of F-5C brainlets.
Welcome to bottom tier mates. Today in bottom tier : I fly the English electric lightning at 9.3, Hammond uses a 500% booster and James commits arson.
Gotta admit the game balance system has tilted WAY over one side if a player is saying 9.3 is now a bottom tier 💀rip game balance
@@snwilliam6886 Bottom gear reference
@@pauliusUwU cool lol 😆
@@snwilliam6886 Yeah, it even fits better since Napalm was added.
Top tier has always been bottom tier with stabilizers. I like that there are lots of new players to farm. It's great.
I can speak from experience that buying your way up to a higher tier is the worst possible decision. I remember i bought my way only up to rank 5 air with the Sea Hawk Mk.100 when my highest was like 4.3. Needless to say it didn’t go well. But that is when i started the game and now i am much more experienced with the entirety of the German air tree spaded.
yea its struggle. I bought G.91 R4 for italy, but only when i reached centauro's. and mind me I had probably less than 50hrs of air battles. bought it solely for ground battles as I hate air battles more than anything. But now Ive gotten whole italy air tree almost done with that 1 plane in ground battles.
With all the toptier premium i'm pretty sure we reached a point where there is proportionally more experienced players in 2.7 3.7 than in 8.7 9.7 10.7 X)
yes. yes indeed. people complain about too many veterans in the early ranks but ground battles are filled with around 50%
i think im going to stick around 2-3 im thinking i already have a job. and im not dumping my money on pixels.
I've been in this game now at least five years and I've never purchased a premium vehicle. I'm not against it. I just haven't run out of challenges yet grinding through the regular tech trees. When I do, I'll probably buy some. But at my current pace, that's going to be a while. And thanks to the benevolence of Gaijin (bends knee and bows), I've been awarded at least 20 Talismans as battle trophies in one tech tree. So it's almost like my lineup is full of premium vehicles anyway.
Keep up the good work. Your channel is helpful.
what I especially hate at those high br is that these people only have that one tank or plane in their line-up. So not only do they have no idea what they're doing and die fats, but once they're dead, they go back to the hangar and that's a teammate less for the rest of the game. SO many times i've played games were 2-3 mins in about 1/3 of the team is already gone bcs as soon as they die they leave the game bcs they have no other vehicle to play. And as the last vehicle used is still written in the scoreboard, you can definitely see if it was a premium or not
when your playing 10.0 tanks and sitting next to a building repairing and watching 3 premium tanks literally drive right past you because they dont know how to use thermals or just havent developed the eyesight yet and then get angry in the chat when you "suddenly" behind them with a puma and wipe all 3 of them
I’ve been playing since February 17 of 2020. The first premium tank I bought was the XM1 GM, and this was after I got to rank 4 america. People called me stupid for buying it, yet I never regretted it. The purchase of a tank like that helped me understand what I would be seeing in war thunder. It helped me get used to the game and understand it’s mechanics. Around Christmas of 2020, I got my first top tier tank which was the M1A2. From then I just kept playing and advancing my knowledge and skills of this game that I seemingly fell in love with. I saw everything added, I played alongside these new vehicles premium and squadrons, I fought them and I noticed they are not so bad. In my eyes, squadron vehicles server their purpose. They give free to play players a chance to earn something that they worked for. Does it take time? Yes, is it worth it, well, yeah. I feel like premium and squadron vehicles will help new players learn how to play this game, and then too will be in the position as all of us. They will become smart and learn the game, they will understand what this game has to offer. I never saw a real issue with these premium vehicles. And on the bright side, people like me, these vehicles tend to bolster our lineups adding that extra vehicle that will potentially save a battle and earn us more XP and points. That’s my opinion however, but I understand the frustration of it.
Bro typed an essay
I don’t find air rb that much fun anymore
Lol it was so funny when people spent £60 on the Thunderbolt, and then complained after they realized they could be shot down easily.
From my experience grinding the russian trees, most tiers there is always 1-2 players per match that are 100 marshal with 55-65% win rate who usually have the most kills with 3-5 good team mates and 3-5 one death leavers/people who went 1/3. At top tier there is always that one dude with a 8 wheel vehicle that goes at 100kph rushing for spawn camp or sniping from a really unlikely spot 1 min into the match. This is mainly from a GR perspective.
"Theyre either insane, wealthy, or being paid by gaijin" that just made my day right there
For Ground anyway, high tier does have some tech perks that makes some aspects of it a lot easier. Specifically vehicles with thermal optics. Older tanks have low magnification and it’s hard to see enemies hiding or using bushes (in RB/SB modes). Whereas with top tier tanks you have thermals and crazy zoom levels (not to mention instant laser rangefinders that automatically adjust elevation and controllable ATGMs) and if you play decently smart (don’t run around with your a$$ hanging out) you can have some good games and not have grinded your way to that BR.
Yeah thermal makes the game basically palyable. :D At least for me cuz my eyes are basically useless, if i get an open map in WWII lineup than i can f myself. :D With my XM-1, Leo etc yeah i get gang raped when i get maps which u can't play around 6.7 BR but still better experience than dealing with braindead tigers and bushwankers with 6 p2w bushes. :D
If u can get at least 2 top tier vhiecle in one lineup than u have enough playtime/match to learn the maps and you don't be a huge drawback for your team . Top on that there are some mid tier TT and prem tanks which are completly capabel of killing top tiers from the side. U can always have some cheeky kill on spawn campers with a t-34-100. :D Spawn protection powa.
During grindig the ussr tank tree, i got the is6 , grinded my way with it to 7.7 br while playing other tech tree tanks as well. It was a huge help. Now that i'm stepping up to 8.0, I got the t72 av turms to help grind the rest of the line.
To be fair, I'd say the IS-6 is still decent to learn the ropes with, since you have a gun that you need to aim with against certain enemies, but not everyone, and no assisting systems like laser range finder or thermals. getting by without these is still an important skill in top tier, but most people just skip acquiring those and will never learn about it if they don't ever sit in tanks that don't have them.
The most pain is when you try to gring some tech tree up but matchmaking I flooded with premiums on your side and in the process you loose every single game
im a level 78 with like 1500-2000 something games and I am still getting seal clubbed and I have grinded the American tech tree to around 7.7 ground and 8.7 air, and Gerrmany 6.0 ground and 4.0 air and then with Russia 10.0 Ground and 11.0 Air. this game has such a steep learning curve. when I was grinding through tech trees I mainly bought premium vehicles at the rank or 1 rank higher than what I was researching so I wasn't just thrown into top tier it took a while but now im there
Nice video, I did do the Cardinal sin of buying two High tier vehicles as a noob (been plying since start of May), but I made it my goal to only use these vehicles once I got to their tiers naturally and I have been seeing some success, it also helped my mate was giving me tips on how to fly the A5c at top tier, but if it wasn’t for the sales I wouldn’t of purchased either prems, currently grinding out the ZTZ59D1 and the F38-40 and I’ve been loving the game but cheers for the general advice love ya channel
I know a lot of people will disagree but I view major changes in br as a completely different game. The amount of information that can be carried from bottom-mid tier to top tier is almost negligible. It plays so differently from ww2 to modern planes that I find it hard to use effective tactics that can be used in both tiers. Tanks is way different but only do to the map knowledge. Knowing a ww2 tanks weak spot is not going to help you in top tier. The main difference in both is speed. Higher br is faster in every way. It might be harder and more difficult to learn at a higher speed but if you want to play the game for modern vehicles the only thing you are is a noob learning a game. Just like someone who grinded the whole tree and is now getting destroyed their few first battles of modern.
yup true, i mean you can kinda boom and zoom but its not rlly the same as u can climb 3k meters and loose like 150km/h and regain that speed in like 2,5 seconds,
I will admit, I’ve bought a top tier jet twice. BUT I do as much research on them and their play style and practice with them. The only aircraft that I regret of the two is the Mig-21MF. I just can’t master it, but the Sea Vixen was a good choice for me. I am fairly experienced when it comes to aircraft and I already have the f-80 and are soon to get my first MBT (although I haven’t bought a top tier tank yet, nor plan to.)
The mig 21 MF is very good especially with the r-60 missles I would recommend climbing to 25-30 thousand feet and boom and zooming with the r60s and use that speed! Good luck 👍
@@Player_nate2008 thanks for the advice :)
After watching this video, I have to admitt Im looking forward to high tier fights now.
I recently picked up the game again after a 4 year hiatus (you can thank the upcomming Tomcat update for that) and am currently grinding my way up the US techtree, currently derping around at Rank IV in my P-51D-5. Let me tell you, its a pain, nearly everyone and their mother can outfly, outrun or outgun me but Im slowly progressing to where I can actually keep a positive income balance.
So yeah, being able to make some cheap kills in higher tiers does sound like it could make my life a little easier honestly.
Im actually going to join your discord in hopes of finding someone to look over my gameplay and give me some pointers on where I could improve. I play mostly Air RB these days.
Honestly, sticking with the p47d28 is way better for grinding, don’t get into 6.0 because it’s F2G1 vs premium German bomber, best early jet is the f84, get the f86A5 and learn how to roll, than forget all that when you get WEP capable jets, than hope you get 1 kill with the f86F2 in a 10.0 match, honestly it’s not worth it, and with repair costs piling up from each failed attempt to get better and have a functional aircraft is just mind numbing, if you really want top tier experience buy one of the following aircraft: F5C, MIG 21 pfm and F4F early, preferably the F5C because you won’t need to stock grind
And I forget all the training crews and buying vehicles cost
sadly I used to be one of these players, but I persevered and now I'm nearing top tier. My main rule for people wanting to buy a premium is: only buy a premium if you are at that tier.
I will say I agree with this, but the only issue with your argument is win rate. Win rate is not equivalent to skill anymore simply BECAUSE of the people buying into top tier, or teams are just incompetent. Yes though, the people that buy into top tier, have no line ups, and no time in ruin it.
The friend who got me into warthunder played 7.7 regularly and enjoyed up tiering me to those BRs, some of the best fun I've ever had.
I have played near-exclusively the US Air tree since 1.67, when I started playing.
I have over 3000 battles in the F-4E. When the F-4F Early hit, it was a field day. No awareness or anything came from them. These are the kinds of players you could reliably hit with an AIM-7E from 15km.
I can confirm this and realized this after buying the F5c when it was half off and getting curb stomped only managing to get 1 to 2 kills every 3 to 4 games and that I needed to take a break from jets and actually work my way up
I have almost 3k hours and I took off in a jet once, looked behind me to see who I might hit as I lifted, and turned back around to find I am slamming into the ground. Wasn't my day, a distracted Denis some might say.
Ive been playing WT since 2012, when tanks were closed beta, and its always been my "once-twice a week" game, full Free-to-Play. Now that i have some friends who play on high BR's, im investing more and more time. Ive reached my USSR up to 6.3 and Germans up to 5.7, its been hella slow. And i STILL feel like im not skilled enough to buy something higher than 7.0 since it starts getting different in there. AND IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PLANES, cause ive been on Arcade for almost 10 years, and the very first match in RB i did what? Ripped my wings off!
So yes, thank you for your content, ive learned a lot. Considering just bying premuim on sales and working my way up top. As one said, "There are no shortcuts for becoming a Pirate King" >;D
From Russia, with love
i remember when T-72AV on sales it just full of noobs when i play top tiers , really painful to play USSR for few weeks
I hate seeing people who buy high tier vehicles because they do terrible like you said but after a while they will get angry by dieing over and over making them quit this game is so much fun all you need to do is have patience
I see this a lot, particularly in regards to situational awareness. I’ve gotten so many kills on people just flying forward and not paying attention at all. It’s even worse when they have flares, I’ve killed no shortage of A-10s with IR missiles (namely R-60s) even when that plane has literally hundreds of flares.
new timmys buying A-10 seeing hundres of flares flying WEP on and spamming flares wondering why they aint workin
@@kidsinafrica3080 I find more often than not they don't use them enough lol They tunnel vision on something and just become food for my SPS-K
I'm at 9.3 Germany right now, I bought the Leopard L44. My win rates right now aren't great because of people spawning in a Leopard L44, immediately dying, and then leaving the game. The amount of times half of my team has collapsed around me is absolutely ridiculous. Gaijin needs to do something about this because it's absolutely ruining top tier and it's going to drive all of these noobs away from the game
Tbf: I have 4 nations at 11.0 but i still suck big time in top tier air rb lol
Whenever I play my F5C i just play the mouse role. Get everyone to chase me while I dodge missiles etc. and pray my teammates take advantage. Im a OG at WT since (2012) so I’ve been flying a lot and know ppl lose to group up on a “easy” prey
It was the same for me with the F5c, when I first bought it the plane was really bad for me, I just didn’t have the skill to use it, but now that I have more experience in the game I get at least 3 kills per match, getting first place in Air RB, it is a insane vehicle when it comes to its turn rate and a money printing machine, you can destroy only one base and you’ll already have profit (with no premium acc)
That's exactly how I felt like after playing Panzer 4 C after playing with my Panther Fs and Tiger 2s for a while. I think my craziest match i killed 15 tanks or something in arcade
So, in War Thunder you do not really grind tanks, YOU GRIND CREWS. So many of the players in high tier will have max level crews. This means they get faster reloads, better maneuvering, better survivability, better detection (This means they see you first so your dead), better gun accuracy. So, if you buy a high tier to grind out low tier, you are going to learn what PAIN is all about. Also, low tier is very forgiving when you ride gets exploded you can still earn some crowns. High tier vehicles lose big coin if you do not do well. SO DO NOT DO IT.
as a new player who has gotten better, not good, better, who bought to top tier, I see what you mean, I adapted really quickly (I honestly don't know how) but you can see many similarities between the bottom teir and top tiers
"Gaijin has kept his promise and we still dont have top tier premiums" that one did'nt age quite well
Honestly, I never understood why people who have a 30/180 K/D keep playing the game or at least keep playing at the top. you have no idea what you're doing, achieve nothing, yet people stick to it at top tier where they don't even know why they die instead of learning the ropes in the beginning. Or playing a different game, for that matter. Just feels so weird to me.
Unfortunately for console players, there are very limited buttons to use for mechanization, shooting different weapons, and fully controlling aircraft axes (is that the plural of axis? I honestly have no idea). Also, I am experiencing a stupid glitch when I change my controls. When I try to edit a control, the snail looks me in the eyes and says fk you. It will let me select a button for a control and proceed to not register it at all. It just goes right back to the previous control. Anyone know a fix to this?
Tbh i can understand the ppl buying premiums i mean i want to i dont wanna grind a whole year to get the plane i want
some days ago I decided to casually play J-7E for a while. To my surprise, US teams were getting absolutely wrecked, and it took me about 13 matches to die once. There’s something about Lv30s playing tomcat, like what the hell is with that. I’m not even a good player and was getting 2-3 kills per match, granted the PL-5Bs are amazing missiles, but the fact that nobody was paying attention to me, or even remotely anyone decided to launch a missile at me was incredibly ridiculous.
Me at lvl 100 struggling to learn how to lead/aim the a10s cannon👀
ballistics computer
@@yusuf6480 no ground pounding is easy u literally point and click, but aa is hard atleast once in a blue moon my shots land and I can never lead the shots
two years later it is the complete opposite. I flew 20 matches at br 4.3 in air rb props and EVERY GAME there was at least two lvl 100s and i lost 12 matches. Those twelve losses were because these lvl 100s were definitely communicating each other via discord or voice chat and those 12 lossses had at least 3 lvl 100s in each of those matches. Almost every game the enemy team had 16 people and 8 were above lvl 40 and at least 4 were under lvl 20 and always there was about 4 lvl 90+ players.
these people were probably playing at this br for:
a. grinding the israel tech tree
b. mercilessly killing low level players
c. low tier connoisseurs
only 1 match had anyone with an israeli plane and most lvl 100s had grinded out both air and ground tech trees.
these guys should not be going against people who are inexperienced expecting to be matched with an enemy team who is close in skill/in game level.
trying to get into war thunder was horrendous in my case, it was quite the hastle to understand the game and how it worked. After enduring the torture and constantantly being seal clubbed. I just stopped. I knew from the start I won't be able to reach the modern vechs without putting many hours. This was in 2018 when it was easier to grind. But since the new econ changes, I feel bad for the newer people.
It’s a hard position for people like me who have zero interest in modern vehicles and don’t want to seal club.
So yeah, I have over 1000 spawns each in the M4X, T-34X and the PzX, which means that I rarely have to use the gunner view to connect even a long shoot with those. That, coupled with map knowledge etc., does put newer players at a disadvantage.
However, it’s not as if I have no counters as there are plenty of other experienced players at most BRs and plenty of opportunities for getting killed anyway. Frankly, I wouldn’t still play if I was in god mode.
Plus, I do other things to reduce the seal clubbing; I never spawn camp in any form, I take out SPAA purely for AA and I repair, rescue and otherwise assist teammates whenever I can. Actually, this keeps things fun for me I don’t need to be #1 on the team, or on a winning team, to have a fun game. Plus, I’m not grinding anything anymore so I don’t need SL really.
Basically, I see low BR seal clubbing is a choice. And even when someone chooses to seal club, you can take some of their mojo by watching them in replay and learning from them. I still do this.
As for newbies playing high tier? If it isn’t obvious to them why this makes them a low cal source of SL I doubt they have the grit to grind to top tier anyway (not really a lost player).
I can happily say I grinded USA for my first nation to top tier with only a premium account it took me many years after playin on and off but I got there, but it was the worst time of my life when I statrted playing for longer periods time super grinding... but I learned a lot, now I have USSR,GER,ISRAEL, and France at top tier. France is the most fun and stomps with their crazy reload speeds. But for people like me it is highly frustrating to get scrubs who have no idea what's going on and it ruins my game due to lack of help and to lack of teammate priorities and situational awareness.
top tier you need to be fast and reactive as everyone has thermals and can see you even just the slightest
I've noticed this a lot at 10.3 playing the F8. So many f5c that will eat an aim-9c to the face without even maneuvering
The community likes to blame the lack of knowledge of people buying top tier which you have actually seen evidence of but I've been fighting trying to grind my way through my first tank tree and have been absolutely slowed to a crawl at BR 7 with spawn camping and spawn camping CAS. I review my replays to see how people play and time and time again I see players who seem lost in a tank jumping into a plane and cleaning up. I have video of one person who angered a whole bunch of enemy with spawn camping and when we came for him he jumped into a bomber and bombed his own tank (and bailed out of the plane before the bombs hit) so he could score the kills of everyone around his now dead tank. A lot are doing things like this which requires limited knowledge of the maps or the tanks. Fun fact: I have video from a BR 1.0 match I fought (out of frustration with all the spawn camping CAS in BR 7) where there were 6 planes over my head just outside the spawn and I had no tanks in my lineup that could even shoot up. A level 100 got 15 kills in that match. You yourself celebrated using CAS to kill tanks, "for Free RP and SL" in your A-6E video. This is another cause of upper tier tank players who can't play tanks and makes perfect sense.
i like these people. they make the grind easy. its so nice shooting a Mig-23 with a AIM-7F from 25km and the Mig just flies straight and gets hit.
"You have people getting like 180 deaths and only 30 kills. How??" Bruh I'm new, trying to crack into rank 4 land vehicles USA rn, and I JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING. I'm always getting killed in one shot from random places or the overpowered AF airplanes kill me randomly and I don't get a chance to even practice the game. Cause I die with no way to particularly identify mistakes.
I bought my way into the russian tree with the turms. I did not do good the first 50 matches or so because i wasn't addapted to this BR. The problem i think is that the players are just one death leavers or teammates who just want to get a kill and don't really play the objective. I have now 800 games with my turms and my win rate is 30% with a 0.9 KD or so because you get clapped from the site or fueltank explode because there are no teammate who gives cover. The biggest problem is that everyone can purchase the premiums. A better way would be that you need a rank 4 tank to actually buy a rank 6 premium. But this is only one problem of 1000 with WT
I noticed that i have no idea what to do at top tier air rb as i grinded the entire swedish air tech tree in ground rb, the JA37C beeing the first propper top tier that i got a great crew on and spaded. I hoped into a battle and SMACK sparrow to the face from ages away.
too many lack the understanding of "paying your dues" they want instant top position and feel they are "too good" to be anything but at the top. this applies in many many things.
As someone with 4600 hours in game, any low level players who bought to top tier and people who brings low tier tanks (except big HE cannon cause haha funni) deserve no respect, sure one can argue that that some players have fun by bringing low tier tanks, but you shouldnt do that to the detriment of others time especially your own teammates
Pushed a level 3 player in a Turms into the river on the eastern europe map since he didn’t have a clue and kept being in the way. I have no regrets
@@UrMumSaysHi As much as i hate low level players at high BR, please dont do that, let him suffer on his own
@@AHappyCub calling arty on teammates capping, smoking up in front of friendlies sniping and nonstop teamcommands has the penalty of death
@@UrMumSaysHi oh, understandable
Blame Gaijin, not the player.
They make the grind so insane that people are heavily tempted to buy these vehicles.
This video is really true. Last year about this time I purchased the USA Harrier and got destroyed. A year later I now have top tier tanks (11.0) and top teir aircraft (9.7). Now the harrier is one of my favorite planes I almost always get 2 kills but I am practically guaranteed 1. Don't buy your way to top tier.
The reason this kinda shit happens, its because gaijins fucking ads and promo vids are all about modern jets and tanks and IFVs, so when new players get on and see all the WW2 tanks they think “wtf, they were showing modern tanks” then they buy the high tier prems so they can play the vics that were advertised or to try and grind through the ww2 vics so they can play modern MBTs