Poppy's Rework: How Riot Redeemed The WORST Champion in League of Legends
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- Poppy's previous iteration was widely considered to have one of the worst designed kits in the entire game, which made it all the more refreshing to see her transformation into the champion she is today. We'll be taking a look through her original kit to break down how Riot redeemed one of the most unforgivable champions in the entire game in Poppy's Rework: A Retrospective.
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I was a old Poppy main, it was soooo fun to play her once you get to know her. But yeah, she wasn't fair at all.
I actually get unironically sad when i see videos of old poppy, i would play her all the time and now she is gone. It sucks that i will never be able to play her again, she was my main
That’s just how league goes, there’s so many things I miss coming from late S2
I was also an old poppy main, the new one is pretty boring and her anime "who's the chosen one" theme is insanely cringe lol, like Yorick another champion butchered by rework and turned generic
I loved to play her too but lets be honest... She sucked ass in lane for about 10 levels before becoming a champion.
Poppy went from one of the ugliest to one of the most beautiful champions with those amazing facial expressions. So glad for her.
New Poppy is so cute. I wanna cuddle her.
Cutest yordle without doubt
@@lessituro6637YO WHAT
And the best part of it is they didn't give her the generic beautiful female face
@@andrewryan3202 Cookielol moment huh?
When I see the old gameplay with the old map, I just can not believe that I used play that. It's so surreal somehow: how rough and raw everything was, from the map to the champions to the ability animations. Even though League is a lot cooler and cleaner now, I remember having a lot more fun back then
I miss old poppy. I started playing her cause my brother said she was awful and I was like 13 so I wanted to be unique. I actually found a lot of success with on-hit/crit because her Q could crit like Camille’s used to. Admittedly I didn’t know this was happening. I just knew that people died quick and I didn’t understand why people didn’t like her. I was so convinced this was how you were supposed to play her that when she got reworked I tried to use the same build.
My first penta ever was on old Poppy. New one is just bad and boring.
@@BlobBlobkins new one is excellent. barely have any wardens / defensive tanks in this game, most tanks just wanna charge head first into the enemy
@@bigsmoke4592 new one is defo excellent, great champ and well rounded
Problem is, the new Poppy looks NOTHING like the old one (except for the tackle maybe). She pretty much lost her identity, similar to what happened to Aatrox
@@BlobBlobkins Side effects on the nostalgia for sure.
@quincy7258 not a problem, old one was a clear failure, only aatrox's rework can be argued as a problem
The difference between old poppy and new one is like night and day
The Tom Cruise movie?
Old lollipoppy is the goat tho. I still have her splash saved as my desktop background 💀
@@mira.r💀
I absolutely love her positive & humble voice lines. And her passive, rather than an on demand shield, is a dmg projectile with an opportunity to earn a shield. It’s just an awesome design. Thought I wasn’t going to like Poppy because she wasn’t a one hit kill champ. Boy was I wrong. Poppy main for life.
Her voicelines honestly help keep my mental positive and stable 😅
she still does enough damage for her to feel like a one shot champ if shes fed
Sounds likes that about every champ isn't pure support champion @@vibingtbh876
you can still burst with a lethality build 😋
@@ember_falls The absolute reverse can apply too.
Mind you that during season 5 (after UoL showed her in proplay) Riot admitted she is disaster. So much that they removed her from free play rotation and said that if players finds a way of having good early for poppy, they nerf it immidiately.
And she has one of, if not the best late game since she can easily be invulnerable for 7 seconds. Just use your ult to their weakest teammate and use then murder the rest while being immune to everything.
Poppy is definitely one of my favorite champions to see in pro play, and also one of my autofill junglers. She is definitely an underrated tank that, when played correctly, will almost never fall off and not be a ult bot like a certain rock and mummy.
Damn, it's so rewarding to countepick Jarvan with her
@@kiszkjmt8564and Lee Sin
i still think the poppy rework is arguably the best rework they've ever made to a champion, how ever it definitely had issues a long the way, which to be fair they did fix. Like her tab ultimate used to make the knocked up target untargetable as well, so often you could end up screwing over your own team. Her W was great, but the mobility creep really kicked in as well, where blocking 1 dash didn't matter when said champion had 2 more anyway, this was thankfully fixed with adding grounding to the ability.
I love the invisible pressure coming from Poppy. The Irelia or Akali cant play while Poppys W is on cooldown, so you carry by just standing there. Very fun.
@vars i would love to see you cover Soraka's rework. I feel like she has had 2 completely different lives in the history of league. Her original abilities put her in battle mage territory. For those who didn't know about old star call, easily the most devastating ability in the entire game! I think she's worth covering because her contrast from then to now is night and day. I don't know if they improved her as much as they changed her identity entirely to make her less powerful.
Only thing I miss from old Poppy era was the reduced DPS across the board. Current league with all it's tons of damage, often to the point one CC = one death, is playable but not as enjoyable as those old times when you could get away from tight situations with any character provided you had the mechanics, not only those with massive life steal/shield proc.
BTW, new ult is the concept as old ult, just that now you gotta throw away those you don't wanna fight.
I'll always remember that a rioter said this about old poppy "if anyone figures out how to play her and she becomes a common pick we'll have to nerf her so much no one ever picks her again."
The thing about her Q was that it converted all the physical damage of the attack into magic damage that also had % damage built into it. Meaning itemizing against her was a nightmare. She could build full AD and hit like a full AP mage with just her Q.
And it can crit. Don't forget about that.
@@ChromaLukeyeah I wonder why vars didn't mention it
Old Poppy was my main for a few months before her rework. My favorite moment with her was soon after Sion's rework. Sion ulted past me into my team. I ulted him, ran in and got a Quadra for free, then ran back and picked up my Penta because somehow Sion was still alive and terrorizing my team. Poor enemy team literally just died because she was so rare they had no idea what my Champ did lol.
I love in Poppy that every ability can be used in two ways, like no other champion
Lee sin in question:
@@thenumber24 only his r tho
Lulu?
@@michaelmurphy275 yeah Lulu is the big other example
What would have made her old ultimate interesting. Is if it worked both ways. Poppy would be immune to everyone but the marked enemy. But she couldn't attack or target anyone but the marked enemy as well
Basically a light version of Mordekiaser's ult
I’m pretty much of the opinion that poppy’s rework was for the best even as someone who did play old poppy. Her old kit was almost a coinflip between surviving till late and becoming a monster to just being a minion and the game ending early. She especially became worse over time as more top laners became specialized in early game dominance (Darius especially was such an unfun matchup experience). She wouldn’t even survive this day and age since her passive was countered by true damage (which everyone had a lot of these days).
Her rework completely changed her role in the game, but it also made her identity clear and still preserved some of the experience playing her without it being so polarizing. I still love playing her current iteration even in spite of the fact that she’s a skill expressive tank competing against ult bots and mechanically simple champs that can do her job more consistently.
I have been looking forward to this for so long. As someone who started in 2019 amd who's favorite champ is poppy, hearing you and other players talk about her like a monster always interested me. Thank you for the full rundown
They kept everything from poppy on her rework just in a different way.
Her passive wehn from permanent damage reduction on conditions to a shield on conditions.
The Q is still a high damage dealing that went from single target to AoE area.
Her W is still bonus stats and MS but now the stats are defensive instead of offensive and they added the dash counter.
Her E is the same.
Her Ult is not isolation anymore but still splits the enemy team in a way.
As a Poppy/Kindred jungle main I can confirm she doesn't feel like a typical warden to play at all, it may be due to my playstyle but I find the most effective use of her ult is to secure objectives and chain cc, not as a get off me and the most effective use of her w is to e stun someone and then activate it to disrupt the enemy team. Also killing someone by e-ing a minion to proc sunderer and using that with her passive and dark harvest to kill someone under a turret is very satisfying. Not as satisfying as ulting someone out from under their turret but I don't get that opportunity as much as a jungler.
Something that's incredible to me is how good yet balanced she has been over the years. She had a double digit pick/ban rate in five of the seven world championships since her rework, and apart from the 2016 one where she was a bit overtuned, she was between 15% and 25% in those tournaments. Never a dominant player in draft, but someone many teams saw the value in being able to pull out, who believed she could consistently do something, without her being a broken must-play. Considering literally every worlds in that time has had a champ with 89.5%-100% pick/ban, if not two, that's impressive.
I think another thing to note is that old poppy was in old league. The game is so different now that honestly I don’t think her ult or her entire kit would feel that unfair compared to most problem champs or assassins nowadays. I think if you stuck old poppy in the game now she wouldn’t feel op or annoying in many, if any, ways.
Another note I think gets overlooked is the whole “skill expression” argument that people use to say old champs were boring. I think if you asked most people that played back in Season 3 they would say the game was more fun. “Skill expression” is kind of a bullshit term that really describes cheesy or broken abilities. Lee Sin was always so broken because he had so much “skill expression” but really he just could catch anyone and escape from anyone because he had so much mobility and so many tools to use that other champs didn’t. I think if you really look honestly at the abilities or champs that people consider “skill expressive” you will find a common thread. They just beat you unless you make a good 50/50 guess or have flash/some other safety tool to escape. Talon one-shotting the ADC doesn’t really take much skill, he just hovers his cursor over the enemy and mashed his keyboard, if they have flash they might live, if they don’t they are dead. Talon didn’t have to do anything special to kill the adc, he just used his abilities. Many champs have this same interaction and yet people call it skill. The skill in league used to be positioning, timing, and macro. Those still matter in the grand scheme of things, but matter much less on moment to moment play. Nowadays everyone just smashes their keyboard and people die immediately. If you have flash and/or zhonyas/stopwatch you can “outplay” others, otherwise you don’t in many scenarios and it’s about who pressed their buttons first or who is the more “skill expressive” champion.
I think she would be complete ass to play against.
Old Talon is definitely stupid IMO, since the only skill you need is how to auto-attack cancel in 0.25 seconds. Once you mastered that, you just murder anyone watching you.
very well said. i also think the old game had way more skill expression. this got moved into giga buff abilities that anyone can use quite easily. nowadays Lee Sin is outdated bcs of it. the game lost a lot of integrity.
That's such a bullshit but what ever help you sleep at night
Just wanted to point the chat at 7:50 which darius said "poppy protects draven really well" and draven responds "she is my sex slave" 💀
I picked up Poppy a week before they announced she was being completely reworked. While I was disappointed, it was completely understandable. Playing pin the ult on the support was such a fun minigame but everything else completely lack luster. What was great about the rework as someone who played a lot of Poppy right before the new Poppy is that it still felt like the same character but in a healthier playstyle.
the chat in 7:52 is in brazilian portuguese and is like: Darius: "Poppy protected the Draven very well" Draven: "She`s my sexual slave"
The rework videos are effectively a list of my mains before they got changed
Same. I loved old Urgot. I loved old Poppy. I also liked old Swain... I really miss them.
@@Kuraikari I mained old eve… she was squishy AF but she had the highest damage on the game if you got in range
I really liked the old Q on Poppy. It was so simple and so busted. I think she was able to Q a Chogath for 1,5k damage. If she had the same Q today you could play her lethality and actually one-shot people (not the one-shot most youtubers claim in their titles).
I just wish they made steadfast presence last a bit longer cause you really only ever catch 1 dash and then they just run away most of the time
I just want to add as someone who played a lot of old Poppy her passive went off of CURRENT health so it only got stronger the lower you got. Your examples really undersell it imo. It wasn't uncommon to get autod for less than 100 by the enemy adc in the late game if you went tank poppy. And early game when damage numbers were lower you could stay in lane super long at sub ~30% hp just because of how tanky you got. That being said it was never free. The rest of her basic abilities were so bad at low level it didn't matter. The was a very common unofficial title for her at the time. Poppy, the worst farmer. Due to her needing to farm to late game but having basically 0 tools to help her do it.
I used to play poppy quite a bit before the rework and the only problems I have with the new poppy is how "weird" the q is to use and that she completly lost the ability to flex into ap/ad/bruiser/tank/crit depending on the needs of the game. She used to be just like shyvana in a sense that you could build pretty much whatever on her and it would work if it was suited for the ongoing game
yeah that may be cool but also unhealthy like kat for example :D
Love Poppy, I've only ever seen the reworked version but she can be so much fun. She is the hero of YEET.
Old Poppy main here and also now a new Poppy main. I've played her since the beta and mained her on and off since the rework. While i love her playstyle now, i would be lying if i said i don't miss dodge chance crit Poppy. And yes dodge chance was a stat in the game a long time ago.
But I also can admit old poppy was a toxic nightmare in the game lol
Old poppy: let's chase the ADC 🙃🙃
The biggest thing is that she has the best bark by far now. Nothing like watching an enemy try to do pretty well anything and she just says "Nope"
I loved old Poppy's kit. It was super broken but it was really fun once you got going. You were super tanky and your passive guaranteed you couldn't be one shot so you could afford to build pure damage. You could help your early game a lot by starting Doran's ring instead of the flask, shield or blade. Doran's ring allowed you to last hit and get mana back that way. You had ap scalings so it wasn't the worst. At level 3 you had a decent skirmish with this. Stun, auto, Q reset auto, then run away.
Poppy is my otp. Started in s8. Really enjoy her playstyle.
I wish I could find another champ I enjoy as much as her. Her personality, anti carry kit and mind games with her passive and W are so fun for me.
I play her mostly top and support but shes playable jg and mid too. Full tank always since Q does enough damage.
As someone who played a lot of pre rework Poppy, she was a blast once you got through that horrible early game.
Her passive made her difficult to burst down even if you didn't build her defensively, her Q had really good scaling, and her ulti was situationally broken.
Despite saying all that, I didn't main Poppy before the rework, and now I do.
So clearly she's in a better spot.
Poppy went from "nightmare" to "so adorable i hesitate to ult her"
poppy's rework was very needed and well executed but i'll never forget the oneshot combo with deathfire grasp + E + Q
As a Poppy Main, I am so happy Riot gave her an awesome W to stop the hundreds of dashes in the game with a 27 cooldown while every dash has like a 5 second cooldown. THANKS RIOT!
Diplomatic Immunity (R) could have been easily fixed by making it so she can only take AND deal dmg to the target affected.
they could have made that change and then buff her laning phase.
I remember playing pre-rework full AP poppy. You would ult the ADC and one shot it and the enemy team can’t do anything about it
Sion and Urgot were worse.
At the very least, Poppy kit was coherent. Meanwhile, Sion played with 2 spells (Q and W if AP, R and E if AD) and Urgot could not decide whether or not he wanted to be an artillery, or go in the middle of the melee.
Thank you so much for posting this video! I used to main Poppy (amongst other champs) in late 2014/early 2015. I loved her back then, and I love playing her post-rework as well. This was a great trip down memory lane.
used to play a ton of poppy in season 3 because i bought a skin for her as a meme and it turned out her q 1 shotting people with lichbane, deathfiregrasp, and gunblade for the big bop heals and the active dmg/slow was just a bunch of fun. laning was garbo with it, but you could go top and just sandbag under tower for 15minutes and roam around. the one i spammed the most was jungle rushing tiamat into trinity force and just go full ad, actually insane damage, and spamming bot worked quite well because people kept hiding in bushes so i couldnt dash but warding into an E was just free kills.
Old Poppy Q actually converted the entire attacks damage to Magic, so TriForce procs from Q would do magic damage on her, it also made her generally difficult to tank.
Oh my gosh! I never realized how disfigured old Nunu looked. Wtf was up with his neck and arms? Little guy looks like E.T.
i did play old poppy before the rework.. and they changed the E so little.. but it hit in a big way. i don't even know what they did. maybe they increased both the dash and push ranged by 50 each.. or even the speed.. but it meant that poppy could actually reliably stun. the amount of times i would just push people next to a wall instead of into it, on old poppy..
also the ult, i feel still has the spirit of the old ult. it can still be used to create the 1v1 scenario, but in a much more fun and animated way
DFG poppy was still insanely fun though. 40% damage amp from your ult and 15% from DFG led to some really wack gameplay where you just waddled up to an adc you ulted and bonked them for like 90% of their hp.
I mained old poppy. Diplomatic immunity was a treat to play. But with being weak early. You would double philostone or Heart of Gold and a Philostone.
I just want to clarify that at one point triforce also used to give AP, so it wasn't strictly an ad item (though it was primarily one and did give ad and crit)
It was more of an hybrid item
It was an everything item. Health, dodge, ap, ad, crit, attack speed, movespeed, mana, on hit....and I still feel like I'm forgetting something 😆
Season 4, season 5 Poppy jungle was my JAMMMMM
I remember the bad laning phase of old poppy. I switched to jungle with her, which wasn't optimal but atleast you had a better chance to get some items and start stomping the squishies :) I miss her :(
Used to play her botlane with a friend playing blitzcrank, didnt know that you were suppised to play adc bot.
It worked really well though. Played her full crit with 2-3 Phantom dancers (if i sold boots), 2 bloodthirsters and 1 infinity edge.
To me, that was the funnest champion to play.
She's good, and with every new champion coming with a built in dash, she only gets stronger with every new champion
I may be remembering wrong but I used to use old poppy ult on a minion then no one could do dmg to you besides that minion. Made for great team fights
Poppys old "R" was unique AND had the perfect name for it... and was perfect for her old role as "iron ambassador"... RIP... but to be fair: her new R is one of the most funny and unique R again... so... :)
funniest thing about old poppy was her e being able to move baron around the map... i miss old league...
I'll come out of my hiding hold as an old Poppy main. Her mana costs were the only real way that Riot could actually keep her in line. It's why Riot took both Poppy, Yorick, and Urgot out of the free rotation, and said that if anyone found a way to get good with Poppy, they would immediately nerf her. With Mana Potion and Crystalline Flask's removals, it was only a matter of time before Poppy got reworked. She was either completely unfair/broken to play against if she got ahead, or she was a dead weight that was dragging your team down if she fell behind.
Her rework did make her much more tolerable and less degenerate, but, I do miss the days of ulting the Support and diving the rest of the opposing team.
i hope you make a video about old champs who's still feel fine to play in current days, as if it was made in these days,
champs like riven sivir yasuo etc
You didn't show that clip of Hauntzer stunlocking Balls from S6? (I think it was Balls? Poppy vs. Fiora in like the first TSM game of LCS Spring 2016.)
Bit of a shame I really stopped playing League before her re-work kicked in. I think I would've really liked her.
Rest in peace, original Lollypoppy skin splash art
I wish I would have taken advantage and played old poppy back in it's day. I was too busy being disgusted by her splash arts.
Demacians being two-faced hypocrites is lore accurate
Would love to see a video about Ryze!
“Only you can hurt me now”
Draven at 7:49 saying "She's my sex slave", being brazilian sometimes leads to funny moments like this
11:48 the best way to use the ult in a team fight is to get 1 or 2 enemies out of it allowing ur team to collapse on the enemy with a numbers advantage.
"There was nothing worth keeping - oh but they kept heroic charge"
If I'm not wrong, the old voli E dealt extra damage if used on a champion while dashing, usually used in combo with is Q, similar to talya and her combo
I played old poppy. I miss it. The playstyle of "FUCK YALL IM GOING FOR YOU" as you point at one person and just run at them
One important thing to remember is that Poppy is also one of the best *characters* in League. She's right up there with Jhin and Kindred in character design
Damn I really was a rarity back in day as a Yorick main god sometimes I miss the good ole ghoul beat downs and if you made it through that I get a couple seconds to beat you up some more
her old Q could hit sooo hard on your ult target
I built her like master yi back then most of the time though. Attackspeed movespeed and crit!
Poppy main back then - Poppy main now.
One of the VERY few reworks that I'd say were good reworks.
I've been around since season 2 and I had literally blocked out old Poppy out of my brain due to the sheer amount of mental trauma that character inflicted upon me. She used to rush Frozen Mallet before it was META, go full damage after and just NOT DIE EVER while keeping you infinitely slowed and 3shotting you with a Q. You had to hope the Poppy player was a noob and would throw early instead of just waiting out until the other laner leaves, farming up, taking camps (which I was very offended by, as a jungle main) and starting to group, where she can just be an invincible abomination charging at 5 people and the only person that can hurt her is the Warmong Soraka... FOR 8 *** **** ****** SECONDS!!! I'm not a huge fan of new Poppy either but it's SO much better than what it used to be.
Old poppy ult was the most broken in the game it was combining morgana's black shield and kayle's ult but on steroids
I wish they kept her old ult though I loved being able to tower dive with it
Such a unique and interesting concept for her persona as well-- a humble soldier who doesn't realize that she is, in fact, the hero she is destined to serve.
I missed old poppy. I used to play her top, mid, jg and support…
As a poppy main, I have to say she is NOT a tank... she's an assassin with no counterplay so long as you stun with your E
Old Poppy and new Poppy are way closer together than old and new Aatrox. It's not even close.
Her Q still has % health damage. Her W still has a speed buff. Her E is almost identical. Her ultimate can still be used to fight one person only.
New Aatrox is still red like the old version.
I love new Poppy, but I’ll always miss my old yolo assassin monstrosity. If you ever got ahead with Poppy, it was over.
I really like her rework. Old poppy was completely unreasonable, but they still managed to carry over a lot from that old kit. I think shes much more fair and interesting now, and it feels kind of fitting that she still has a low playrate. But when you run into a good poppy, good luck
Funnily enough I used to like and play the old poppy and found her really fun especially the old ult, never played her again after the rework
Why not give it a try
I at least really enjoy playing her
The old Poppy Ult is the perfect example of: "I don't care what its designed to do, i care about what it CAN do"
Knowing that Poppy hitting 6 meant tower dives or your carry dying next team fight was a whimsical time.
As an old poppy main i can attest to most of the things said in this video.
Thought on old poppy, it was so fun going full ap and e someone random and oneshoting them
Old poppy was so irredeemable that Reg from made in abyss would be proud
Her w lasts for 2 seconds with 20 second cooldown, where others have dashes with 2 second cooldowns
I'd argue that being able to stop multiple dashes at once is more disruptive than the actual dash. W is not meant to stop all dashes all the time, but to stop a dash champ at the right moment to put them in a bad spot. If you stop Akali E/R, Lee Sin E, Kha E or any other escape/engage dash, you can chain-cc with R and they probably just die if you have teammates.
God imagine if Sylas has access to her old ult
The spirit of hots is alive and well too
If only the people knew
You can save them VARS
Sure would be nice if Steadfast Presence prevented dashes, flashes and escaping altogether, like she uses the active and enemies can't walk towards Poppy if outside the circle or away if they are inside. Increase its cooldown and/or reduce its duration but it would be better that way.
My jaw literally dropped when I saw her ultimate. That's just absurd.
I think that the diplomatic immunity would not be so OP if the marked enemy had some advantage. Something like "every AA/skill" deals 10% max HP dmg as a bonus. That way poppy couldn't use Ult 1v1 and would have to make decision to when to pop ult. Yes, supports like soraka would still be fucked, but it's just normal bad pick...
I unironically miss old Poppy just from how JANK she is. You run into a Teamfight, Ult the Support, and just wack everyone in sight, and nobody else could do anything
i got to play the old god poppy 1 day before the rework. I played the professor milk build to blow people up. I got 1 game and i pulled it off and she was too fucking fun and then boom reworked
0:15 jesus christ, what was that Nunu’s model. Nightmare fuel
old poppy was a menace, in the right hands she forced the whole enemy team to adjust to her
but even if she hadnt got reworked, the game would have pushed her out of the meta either way
with how fast games have become and how important a strong laning phase is
new poppy is more healthy for the game but not nearly as fun to play imo
Old poppy was the bane of my friend groups 5s team in S3