I too have the Litefighter 1 and really like it. I also have the winter liner, which turns it into a usable 4-season tent. The liner comes with snow anchors.
I have the TCOP, Two Man Marine, ICS and just got the Lite Fighter One. I’m still waiting on an opportunity to set them up simultaneously and do a night to night trial. I want to try your candle method you showed us using the ECO in the TCOP Curry. I just found out Lite Fighter has a winter kit that adds an additional layer between the fly and the tent body. You guys prove the equipment so I don’t have to. I’m ready to just get out there in them. Thanks for another great view guys!
I have both of the tents. Have yet to use them as intended. Set the Litefighter up and my ACU tent so my kids could have a sleep over inside with them. Did notice the weight difference with the litefighter. Liked that and the ease of setting it up. Took half the time vs THE ACU which is similar in ways to the TCOP. Hopefully come next spring or summer I will actually get to use both myself.
You're right, there is a noticeable difference in the weight. The LiteFighter is the most lightweight of all of the tents that we have and it's easy to setup.
Being from Northern Michigan we would be rocking a light jacket in 30 degrees 😆 By the end of winter, 30 degrees is t-shirt weather if the sun is out. Just poking fun. If I had your summers I'd be dead from heat exhaustion.
I use the lite fighter in the spring winter autumn months and TCOP in winter. I’m 6’2 and felt slightly cramped in the lite fighter. Both worthy tents for different applications.
Agree with this. I am 6’3” without my boots on. It is a little bit on the small side head to toe in LiteFighter. The company offers a cold-weather kit. I realized due to the size and it’s really meant to fit on top of a cot my preference like you is to use a different tent in the colder months when you have more gear as well. I was actually using the rain fly from LF in the solid coyote color pattern absolutely with my 10th body from the improved combat shelter. Got TCOP recently to try for winter camping. The footprint is larger. Also having three long poles and a tent body that’s not a big inner bed net it’s much more solid in cold climate conditions with high winds. I have found it’s possible to use some of the components from the 3 tents interchangeably. eg. LiteFighter spider poles with the improve combat shelter inner body.
We wanted to get some time inside the LiteFighter before we put a side by side comparison video together (working on that now). That hopefully is coming soon!
Guys you are truly hardy souls 👍👍 I'm just waiting to see you doing a snow camp, or camping in a snow storm 👌🤞 You guys are more likely to get snow than UK unless it's Northern most parts of Scotland. UK has the gulf stream passing the western coasts and the ait temperature is warmer. Most of the UK's arctic weather arrives from Eastern Europe but conditions have to be just right as snow is no longer guaranteed unlike when I was a boy in the 70s and 80s. You guys stay safe atb Taff 🤠👊👊
I just picked up a pair of the OR Firebrand gloves. Almost zero reviews of the gloves and mitts anywhere online. I like them, but they are much more difficult to remove and put back on than I expected. I bought large size, but the extra large may have been a better fit. I wear them with OR's now discontinued version of the level 7, the Colossus parka and the standard grey color GI level 7 trousers. I believe the GI version is slightly lower quality shell material than the USMC version. No reinforced seat like the USMC either. I have been looking at OR's civilian Primaloft/Aerogel booties to finish the set. Thanks for confirming what I expected about the Lightfighter, the short length. I also stand 6'2" and I don't like the head and toes of my sleeping bag to touch the tent. Everything else about the Lightfighter has always seemed great to me.
Gabriel, I don't know how you fit in the LiteFighter without getting condensation on your feet or head. I'm right at 6' and it's just a tad too small for me. I fit it just laying down with no sleeping bag but with a bag, forget it. Either feet or pillow get wet from condensation. The TCOP has more room, but a lot heavier.
So allt his military gear...is it each marines own item he can take home after military service? No need for returning it after service? How does this work?
It's USMC IBC (Improved Bivy Cover) manufactured by Propper International, Inc. 100% Nylon shell, 100% PTFE core, 100% Nylon backing. We heavily favor these over the older woodland bivy covers. We hope that you and Ms. Connie are doing well!
@@robertsbushcraft Thanks. Why do you favor these over the woodland camo bivy's? I recently acquired the woodland camo mil surplus bivy and it is awesome but in reality a little bit too small. I also have the newer digital camo pattern mil surplus bivy for several years now but it is WAY too small. The woodland is larger than the digital but still not large enough for my winter sleeping bags.
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL I enjoy watching these guys videos now and then. I enjoy the father son relationship that they have and they just seem like decent folks. I like hanging out with decent folks. :O)
@@Far-North-Bushcraft-Survival the face screen is what puts this bivy in my favorites category. To me thats where it excels over the woodland bivy because that one will lay directly on your face. The IBC has wire inserts that form a frame to keep the bivy up off your head and face, has a mesh screen, and a flap that can be completely closed. I do feel like there is more room in the woodland covers, the IBCs feel tighter. If the woodland is too small for you, these might be as well.
I am curious if the litefighter 1 tent cold weather kit or windbreaker, whatever you want to call it is worth the extra expenses and how much temperature difference does it makes with its use. I would appreciate it if anyone has this type of feedback and at what temperatures it was tested in. Thx.
Great video! Very informative, thank you. I would love a video on the mickey boots, black and white! I have both, I did my own cutaway of each, ( worn out and odd size sacrificial boots I had ). The white has 1 more wool layer than the black.
We're searching for a couple pair of those white mickey mouse boots now. Absolutely love the black ones and can only imagine how much better we'll like those white ones!
@@robertsbushcraft I look forward to your feedback. If your interested at all I can send you a picture of the two I cut in half. Always wanted to know how they were constructed😊🇺🇸.
that outro made me have flash backs of starship troopers (the book), do you want to know more. that aside we need more reviewers actually testing products, in some what adverse conditions. you dont want to get caught flat footed going cross country, and the weather cuts up rough.
Hey Fellas, I have to apologize, from the jump. Lol.. I had been waiting for y'all to do this review. I bought the Litefighter and I really appreciate the function, of that implement. I also like the TCOP but the weight difference is significant. The LF-1 has a Winter Kit, that allows you to turn the 3-season LF-1, into a 4-season shelter. The option is great and allows you to manage your loadout weight. Again, Thx for the review and i want to hear more about, what you guys think about the LF-1. -LB 😎 ❄..
We had to sideline that video for a bit, LB. What we've found so far is that where one lacks, the other shines. What really makes the difference is the intent of the outing. One has a lower profile and is easier to conceal and blocks light, the other does not, and so on. Bottom line? Get both :D
nice compare, got the LiteFighter I for the overheated summer weather of ENC, twas looking at the winter kit made for it especially with ENC cold rain sleet weather or Appalachian snowfall
Enjoyed the video again and I am glad you both are back out doing this again, Do you get these military items you both are wearing off line or at a military surplus, I haven’t been able to find such items as the happy suit your dad was wearing and those outdoor research mittens, I’ve not been able to locate as well,I watch Luke with outdoor gear review and he has a review on those mittens but again new they are very expensive, can you find those at a military surplus now or is it something you may find on eBay or somewhere else. Keep the videos coming truly enjoy watching and getting ideas from you guys.
Some of the gear was purchased online and some at surplus shops that we happen to find. The happy suit and mittens I believe came from Ebay, the sellers accepted lower offers!
Hey Guys, great video. I really want to get the LiteFighter tent, that's been on my wishlist for about a year now after I first heard of them. What's great also is they are made here in the U.S. and they have an optional winter cover that goes over the mesh screen to turn it into a 4 season tent and they also have a bag that you can carry the tent in that can attach to your backpack. I have the TCOP tent also and I was wondering if you guys have had this problem also? Last summer I set up the tent in the backyard for the first time, and to make sure everything was good. I had a very hard time getting the second fly pole to insert into the last grommet, does this get easier as you use it? and maybe the fly material stretches out a bit? hope you understand my question. I haven't taken it out on a trip yet because of that. Especially if I have to set up in the dark or have to set up fast in rainy weather. ⛺👍
Getting that pole into the insert will always be a bit difficult I'm afraid. I use a piece of paracard as a loop at the end of the black grommeted tab to give me a bit more purchase on it when I need to pull to get the pole in.
waitaminute WAITAMINUTE. This doesn't have a floor? A FLOOR???? NO FLOOR? They couldn't add what....35 more ounces and put a tyvek floor attached, like those wallyland 2 man triangle tents that have a "tub type" floor? I want a dang floor! I don't want to sleep on dirt, or centipedes that come out in the dark. It's raining? WELL SOON I'LL BE SLEEPING IN MUD because water travels in dirt even sideways! wthWTH
Don't know what video you watched. Both tents have bathtub floors. It clearly shows it in the videos. They just have big vestibules under the rain fly to accommodate storing muddy dirty gear so you can keep it dry without dirtying the inside of the tent. Most double wall tents with bathtub floors usually have some type of vestibule. These are just a little larger than a lot of civilian tents because grunts tend to have large rucksacks and lots of gear.
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The way you ended this video is what made me subscribe. "May the Wings of Liberty never lose a Feather!"
Right on! Welcome aboard!
I too have the Litefighter 1 and really like it. I also have the winter liner, which turns it into a usable 4-season tent. The liner comes with snow anchors.
I have the TCOP, Two Man Marine, ICS and just got the Lite Fighter One. I’m still waiting on an opportunity to set them up simultaneously and do a night to night trial. I want to try your candle method you showed us using the ECO in the TCOP Curry. I just found out Lite Fighter has a winter kit that adds an additional layer between the fly and the tent body. You guys prove the equipment so I don’t have to. I’m ready to just get out there in them. Thanks for another great view guys!
LiteFighter has some really neat additions to their tents and I'm thinking we're going to check some of them out, hopefully sooner than later.
Thanks guys - GOD bless
You're welcome, Baker Baker!
I have both of the tents. Have yet to use them as intended. Set the Litefighter up and my ACU tent so my kids could have a sleep over inside with them. Did notice the weight difference with the litefighter. Liked that and the ease of setting it up. Took half the time vs THE ACU which is similar in ways to the TCOP. Hopefully come next spring or summer I will actually get to use both myself.
You're right, there is a noticeable difference in the weight. The LiteFighter is the most lightweight of all of the tents that we have and it's easy to setup.
i recognized that it's much warmer in a sleeping bag without clothes,dunno why,but it works for me pretty good!
For us, layering is the way to go.
Being from Northern Michigan we would be rocking a light jacket in 30 degrees 😆 By the end of winter, 30 degrees is t-shirt weather if the sun is out. Just poking fun. If I had your summers I'd be dead from heat exhaustion.
When it's 30 degrees out, I'm freezing!
I use the lite fighter in the spring winter autumn months and TCOP in winter. I’m 6’2 and felt slightly cramped in the lite fighter. Both worthy tents for different applications.
That's kind of the only real big issue with the LiteFighter for me.
Agree with this. I am 6’3” without my boots on. It is a little bit on the small side head to toe in LiteFighter. The company offers a cold-weather kit. I realized due to the size and it’s really meant to fit on top of a cot my preference like you is to use a different tent in the colder months when you have more gear as well. I was actually using the rain fly from LF in the solid coyote color pattern absolutely with my 10th body from the improved combat shelter. Got TCOP recently to try for winter camping. The footprint is larger. Also having three long poles and a tent body that’s not a big inner bed net it’s much more solid in cold climate conditions with high winds.
I have found it’s possible to use some of the components from the 3 tents interchangeably. eg. LiteFighter spider poles with the improve combat shelter inner body.
Always enjoy your videos 📹...I was in Germany from 81 to 84 and I have not heard the word micky mouse boots since then....keep up the good work 💪 👏🏼
Hey thanks Chris, and thank you for your service!
I've been debating whether I should trade in my TCOP FOR A LITE FIGHTER.. Still undecided..Excellent video, guys! Glad you're back!
We wanted to get some time inside the LiteFighter before we put a side by side comparison video together (working on that now). That hopefully is coming soon!
Guys you are truly hardy souls 👍👍
I'm just waiting to see you doing a snow camp, or camping in a snow storm 👌🤞
You guys are more likely to get snow than UK unless it's Northern most parts of Scotland. UK has the gulf stream passing the western coasts and the ait temperature is warmer. Most of the UK's arctic weather arrives from Eastern Europe but conditions have to be just right as snow is no longer guaranteed unlike when I was a boy in the 70s and 80s.
You guys stay safe atb Taff 🤠👊👊
That elusive snow! We'd like to have more of it, but, it just isn't something we can count on here. Stay safe and atb, Taff!
That fleece looks my genII fleece but mine was black. Where did you get the coyote one?
That was a surplus buy, USMC.
I just picked up a pair of the OR Firebrand gloves. Almost zero reviews of the gloves and mitts anywhere online. I like them, but they are much more difficult to remove and put back on than I expected. I bought large size, but the extra large may have been a better fit. I wear them with OR's now discontinued version of the level 7, the Colossus parka and the standard grey color GI level 7 trousers. I believe the GI version is slightly lower quality shell material than the USMC version. No reinforced seat like the USMC either. I have been looking at OR's civilian Primaloft/Aerogel booties to finish the set.
Thanks for confirming what I expected about the Lightfighter, the short length. I also stand 6'2" and I don't like the head and toes of my sleeping bag to touch the tent. Everything else about the Lightfighter has always seemed great to me.
Gabriel, I don't know how you fit in the LiteFighter without getting condensation on your feet or head. I'm right at 6' and it's just a tad too small for me. I fit it just laying down with no sleeping bag but with a bag, forget it. Either feet or pillow get wet from condensation. The TCOP has more room, but a lot heavier.
Great video. Love the fact you use military gear
We love this gear!
Love you alls videos. Of the military tents that you all have used what would be your favorite?
So allt his military gear...is it each marines own item he can take home after military service? No need for returning it after service? How does this work?
I'm curious as to what bivy you were both using? Was it plenty roomy for the multi layers being used inside. Thanks guys. Both tents looked capable.
hey hey the man himself imagine running into you here lol
It's USMC IBC (Improved Bivy Cover) manufactured by Propper International, Inc. 100% Nylon shell, 100% PTFE core, 100% Nylon backing. We heavily favor these over the older woodland bivy covers. We hope that you and Ms. Connie are doing well!
@@robertsbushcraft Thanks. Why do you favor these over the woodland camo bivy's? I recently acquired the woodland camo mil surplus bivy and it is awesome but in reality a little bit too small. I also have the newer digital camo pattern mil surplus bivy for several years now but it is WAY too small. The woodland is larger than the digital but still not large enough for my winter sleeping bags.
@@DarkMetaOFFICIAL I enjoy watching these guys videos now and then. I enjoy the father son relationship that they have and they just seem like decent folks. I like hanging out with decent folks. :O)
@@Far-North-Bushcraft-Survival the face screen is what puts this bivy in my favorites category. To me thats where it excels over the woodland bivy because that one will lay directly on your face. The IBC has wire inserts that form a frame to keep the bivy up off your head and face, has a mesh screen, and a flap that can be completely closed. I do feel like there is more room in the woodland covers, the IBCs feel tighter. If the woodland is too small for you, these might be as well.
I am curious if the litefighter 1 tent cold weather kit or windbreaker, whatever you want to call it is worth the extra expenses and how much temperature difference does it makes with its use. I would appreciate it if anyone has this type of feedback and at what temperatures it was tested in. Thx.
Great video! Very informative, thank you. I would love a video on the mickey boots, black and white! I have both, I did my own cutaway of each, ( worn out and odd size sacrificial boots I had ). The white has 1 more wool layer than the black.
We're searching for a couple pair of those white mickey mouse boots now. Absolutely love the black ones and can only imagine how much better we'll like those white ones!
@@robertsbushcraft I look forward to your feedback. If your interested at all I can send you a picture of the two I cut in half. Always wanted to know how they were constructed😊🇺🇸.
Looking forward to the "happy suit" video. 👍
We should have a video coming up soon about that suit :D
When my son was 9, I started doing winter overnights. No tent, military sleep system with gortex bivy. -40°F and we did just fine
Those are some brutal temps! That's good training right there!
Do you have the litefighter winter liner?
We don't but do plan to get one sometime this year.
that outro made me have flash backs of starship troopers (the book), do you want to know more. that aside we need more reviewers actually testing products, in some what adverse conditions. you dont want to get caught flat footed going cross country, and the weather cuts up rough.
Hey Fellas,
I have to apologize, from the jump. Lol.. I had been waiting for y'all to do this review. I bought the Litefighter and I really appreciate the function, of that implement. I also like the TCOP but the weight difference is significant. The LF-1 has a Winter Kit, that allows you to turn the 3-season LF-1, into a 4-season shelter. The option is great and allows you to manage your loadout weight. Again, Thx for the review and i want to hear more about, what you guys think about the LF-1. -LB 😎 ❄..
We had to sideline that video for a bit, LB. What we've found so far is that where one lacks, the other shines. What really makes the difference is the intent of the outing. One has a lower profile and is easier to conceal and blocks light, the other does not, and so on. Bottom line? Get both :D
nice compare, got the LiteFighter I for the overheated summer weather of ENC, twas looking at the winter kit made for it especially with ENC cold rain sleet weather or Appalachian snowfall
Hey guys would a rain fly from a TCOP fit over a Litefighter. I like the marpat
You guys might want to look @ the Litefighter-2, for your purposes. Check out 1st Sgt. Stoker and his review.
Awesome video guys 🔥🇺🇸💫
Hey thanks, Dark Meta!
Cool tents , I don’t have any military tents , I have the kodiak swag and and I big 14x10 canvas tent , I love canvas tents
That Kodiak Swag looks NEAT! How do you like it?
Awesome video
Thanks, Richard!
Thanks for sharing!!
Enjoyed the video again and I am glad you both are back out doing this again, Do you get these military items you both are wearing off line or at a military surplus, I haven’t been able to find such items as the happy suit your dad was wearing and those outdoor research mittens, I’ve not been able to locate as well,I watch Luke with outdoor gear review and he has a review on those mittens but again new they are very expensive, can you find those at a military surplus now or is it something you may find on eBay or somewhere else. Keep the videos coming truly enjoy watching and getting ideas from you guys.
Some of the gear was purchased online and some at surplus shops that we happen to find. The happy suit and mittens I believe came from Ebay, the sellers accepted lower offers!
I feel the same about my light fighter tent
Awesome video. I am a new subscriber I am looking forward to the next video!
Welcome aboard, Mario!
Hey Guys, great video. I really want to get the LiteFighter tent, that's been on my wishlist for about a year now after I first heard of them. What's great also is they are made here in the U.S. and they have an optional winter cover that goes over the mesh screen to turn it into a 4 season tent and they also have a bag that you can carry the tent in that can attach to your backpack.
I have the TCOP tent also and I was wondering if you guys have had this problem also? Last summer I set up the tent in the backyard for the first time, and to make sure everything was good. I had a very hard time getting the second fly pole to insert into the last grommet, does this get easier as you use it? and maybe the fly material stretches out a bit? hope you understand my question. I haven't taken it out on a trip yet because of that. Especially if I have to set up in the dark or have to set up fast in rainy weather. ⛺👍
Getting that pole into the insert will always be a bit difficult I'm afraid. I use a piece of paracard as a loop at the end of the black grommeted tab to give me a bit more purchase on it when I need to pull to get the pole in.
@@robertsbushcraft Thanks! Appreciate the info. I'll have to try that out. I really like that tent.
Shemaug helps more than most people realize
Absolutely agree 100%
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Right on my friend!
The cold weather cover makes the LF a 4 season tent.
Is that addition heavy?
@@robertsbushcraft not that im aware of. The outdoor gear review did a bunch of testing and use of this system. Check it out.
Mickey books are the best
They're heavy, but they are bombproof warm!
TRADE YA M&MS FOR A HOOAH BAR LOL
I'd think you guys would be sweating at night in all that
I tend to sleep colder so sweating is rarely an issue for me in the winter months.
That gear would be great but it is made for skinny kids , thats the only people that can fit in those sleeping bags !
Camping in Freezing Rain under a tree 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
We weren't under the trees, that would be dangerous👍
waitaminute WAITAMINUTE. This doesn't have a floor? A FLOOR???? NO FLOOR? They couldn't add what....35 more ounces and put a tyvek floor attached, like those wallyland 2 man triangle tents that have a "tub type" floor? I want a dang floor! I don't want to sleep on dirt, or centipedes that come out in the dark. It's raining? WELL SOON I'LL BE SLEEPING IN MUD because water travels in dirt even sideways! wthWTH
Both tents have a floor! You can make a footprint to add additional ground coverage if needed.
Don't know what video you watched. Both tents have bathtub floors. It clearly shows it in the videos. They just have big vestibules under the rain fly to accommodate storing muddy dirty gear so you can keep it dry without dirtying the inside of the tent. Most double wall tents with bathtub floors usually have some type of vestibule. These are just a little larger than a lot of civilian tents because grunts tend to have large rucksacks and lots of gear.
Both tents have bathtub floors. Not sure what video you watched. They clearly show the inside of the tent with all their sleeping system inside.