Learn about our new SPEED Unit - a team dedicated to finding ways to safely speed up your rides by reviewing our system's speed limits and signals. #fastforwardnyc
You folks out there need to realize, if we were to hit a signal, we get disciplined very harshly! If a home signal is hit - it is considered a collision - and that punishment is severe! We're not going slow because we feel like it; we are just protecting our jobs!
@@TheRailLeaguer he dont give a damn. Hes a typical cold-hearted New Yorker. Sometimes I can understand why people outside of New York hate us so much.
one thing about the grade time signals, they don't clear on time when you go at the speed limit. This forces operators to do 7-8 mph less than the posted speed cuz they fear to overrun these signals. They definitely need to calibrate the timers. Example, if it's a signal at red with a lunar white lens under, it means this signal will clear (stop arm goes down) when the train approaches it at the speed limit. So if the limit is 25, it should clear if we do 25. In reality, if we did 25, or even 23, that stop arm will still be up as the train passes the signal.
This is EXACTLY what has been needed for years! Bring the trains back up to the speeds the subways were originally designed for (especially the IND which took great care in measuring track superelevation, etc for solid 40-50 MPH running back in the early 30s).
@Jason Young Actually they wouldn't I had a family move they're entire apt. 145 they put a Large refrigerated in the door and proceeded to move couches, mattress, box springs, and assorted apartment furniture onto my train. The only bright spot was that the guy gave me a heads up as to where he was getting off and promise to hustle it all to the platform, Only in New York!!
I'm loving this change. I've liked my 1/2/3 lines since the beginning, but 1 trains going 40 and 2/3 going 45-60 is just great. 4, 5, 6, 7, A, B, D, E, F, and L trains are fast as well. Some that still need work are the C, D from 36 to Coney Island, F on Culver Local, G, J, M, and the yellow line.
Another benefit of shortened running times that is seldom mentioned is that if you can provide the same level of service on a line with one or more fewer trains in the schedule, the savings in both operational and capital costs are significant.
Samuel Santaella The speed limit between Essex Street to Bowery was raised from 15 MPH to 30 MPH and the speed limit for express J/Z trains merging into the local tracks between Hewes St and Marcy Av was raised from 10 MPH to 20 MPH
@@TheRailLeaguer Pretty sure they can do 15 MPH safely, on all four curves (two in both directions). Still an improvement over slowing down to a near stop (sometimes stopping entirely) every 20 seconds or so. You should see how some operators floor Jamaica-bound trains out of Crescent St though. 20+ MPH. A bit scary especially towards the back of the train, but until now we haven't heard of any derailments...
That's nice. Now you just need to automate more of it like you have with your L line to really increase frequency of trains. London has four lines at Grade-of-Automation (GoA) 2 level like the L, with a further 4 coming online next year. Plus we have a functional GoA3 with the DLR.
@nycbk23 Good to know. To be fair, both systems still have some pretty dated operations. Hopefully more lines get this treatment soon and really boost efficiency.
In Toronto, there are markers on the walls of the platform telling the driver and conductor information. The front of the train always stops next to a red circle while the back lines up with a green triangle, which the conductor points at before opening the doors. When the train departs, the conductor can’t go back into their cab until the train passes by an orange triangle in the middle
The NYC subway does have similar markers. Instead of a red circle, there are numbers corresponding to the length of your train, so if your train is 8 cars long, you stop at the 8 marker - or there's an S if the stopping location is the same regardless of consist. An outdated system for most lines that run full-length 8- or 10-car trains nowadays, but there are still some lines that run short trains at longer platforms; notably the G, M, and Far Rockaway shuttle. And conductors here in NYC are at the middle of the train, so you'll find at the very center of platforms there are white and black striped panels that conductors point to before opening doors.
JorgeCat78, You're just tellin' it like it is. Yeah, the signal system is jacked up. At the same time passengers are impatient (as usual). Puts the operator/motorman right in the middle. But nobody is gonna blow their job for circumstances they simply cannot control....PERIOD.
I love the brutal simplification of those signals. Doesn't matter if it's speed, distance or junction, it's just red, yellow green. The driver doesn't even really need to know what the signal is about
This will work(even I'm concerned with trains overrunning the station and not a being able to break in time when someone falls into the tracks😨). It will also help when getting to a station for a anti-missing train/bus transfer plus, a reduction of train bunching.
MTA unions won't allow the MTA to make the swap because it means fewer repairs and jobs. The L train has the tech installed but still has these ancient signals installed with it cause the Union insisted according to the Nytimes. The Union official stand is that two systems is safer than one in the article.
Also part of the Fast Forward plan. Not every line will make the switch, but the plan is that within 10 years, many important sections of the subway will have CBTC.
it's new york city we are talking about where fucking people getting sick and holding the doors and homeless people yelling for money during rush hours.
Did u see an examples in 0:52-0:58? If it happens, that will trigger an emergency brake. It will differently scare a lot of passengers inside of the train.
Serious Question... living in NY I always wanted to work for the MTA bc it’s a good job with good pay and benefits I just don’t know how to get my foot in the door would anyone care to share advice on the best tips to find a good source to get started.??
I live in bayside queens near the q27 stop and last year they installed those new bus stop signs with digital time on it , worked for 1 day and that's it , its bent and crooked, tip of the ice berg
Its not that simple. Raising the limit will bring back accidents. We now have newer tech such as CBTC that will help, which will finally eliminate some issues with changing the limit.
This should alleviate the delays on both Westside and Eastside number trains and a trip from 110th Street Cathedral Parkway with a change at 96th Street Broadway to 34th Street Penn Station on 42nd Street Times Square Port Authority Bus Terminal might become 10 minutes thanks to these changes.
If trains are only traveling at 5 miles per hour then biking must be significantly faster. 30 mph is a more typical speed for a rapid transit system. It reminds me of Paris where the average speed is a frustrating 13 mph because the stations are close together.
ok MTA, seriously, I'm not a pro in subway, but why the Tokyo Metro opened in 1927 (38 years older than the MTA) is able to modernize their signal and controls with ATC and ATS, and keep the trains on time to seconds, while the MTA Subway is still having serious delay problem on several lines, everyday, in 2019.
TNTSquid 【MIO.sh】 The MTA doesn’t have enough money to handle every single problems because of terrible problems in the past. Don’t even get me started on the signals, its so expensive to replace to the point its out of their budgets and its so hard to replace. America isn’t involved in transportation because it started very young.
@@TheRailLeaguer i guess this is a vicious cycle, they don't get enough funding for the upgrades, so, trains frequently delay with unstable system/human error, then, people chooses other transport over the train, earnings decreased, and then there's no funding for the upgrade..... Things will never change unless someone decide to spend a little more to fix their signaling system to at least using ATS instead of trip hooks at the rail that fuck up the entire line for passing red signal
TNTSquid 【mio9】 That’s Why Andy Byford is here. He plans on accelerating installation of Communications Based Train Control (CBTC) and Automatic Train Operation (ATO) on several lines, renovate stations, make the subway more accessible, etc.
I think the point is that they are meant to inspect the train when an emergency stop is triggered, they'd still have to do it even if they technically could disable it in cab.
And on the long island railroad when you emergency brake the m7 model from my knowledge you have to turn off the whole train and restart it and you can't just brake and then go they have a full inspection and report even if you overshoot the station by a quarter of a car they still have to emergency stop and investigate why the operator did not stop and this can even make train delays and commuters late and mad but we always have to keep our customers safe. Sorry for writing all this I just was bored and did it .
@@Cloudrak yes because I was a mta driver for the long island railroad for 4 years and it happen to me about twice because of teens and we had to have a full investigation yes you can reset the brake in the cab but you have to restart the train anyway because if train workers get to close they may get shocked from the train
JeremiahC99 So we can see out the front window when in the train. I find it silly they made the train operator room cover that. Since I have never seen a train operator use that space. That’s why too. But it will never happen again : ( So i’ll just enjoy the R32 trains with it.
Wow. Now I understand what New Yorkers mean when they talk about "our desolate subway system". I'm European, so I simply expected the stations would be run-down and the rolling stock *somewhat* old. I had no idea it was *this* bad and that trains were going only 20 miles an hour. Seriously, what IS New York's mayor doing with your taxpayer money?
Blame it not on the mayor. City Hall does not receive any funds from New York City Transit. Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) is seeking several billion dollars from the state, even the federal government. I would love to know that some funds will be invested in mass transportation which is the lifeline of the city.
Eli H we have had gale force winds and flash flooding and the underground still runs, our trains may be smaller but our subsurface lines are the same size. Our trains are comfy and inviting it doesn’t feel like an interrogation room and we sure don’t use plastic seats that stick to your thighs in summer. Our stations are cleaner and may I say brighter and better, we have escalators at almost all of our stations and most are accessible, we don’t use an outdated system to use our trains u can even use your bank card to use the Underground, our trains are driven automatically on most lines and some use CBTC meaning no signals required and thus a train every 60 seconds including station dwell time, our oldest train is from 1972 while yours is from the 60s, we rarely have delays or closures and basically our trains aren’t rolling tin cans
@@Elijah-zy6ce never said we didn't have a shit ton too. Also, wasn't calling you a racist, just making a joke about how some things suck in london too :`D
This is the only subway system that uses old ass train cars & a extremely outdated signal system from the 1930's. There are countries that aren't even richer than NYC or America as a whole that has better and modern subway systems.
Interesting I’m a motorman for Septa our track speed is fifty mph on one & four track & 70 mph on two & three track but they are slowing us down in certain areas & it makes no sense
Larry McNeil a few of my friends work for Septa & 2 of them told me they miss the old wayside signals on the El...since they switch over to ATC they have no choice but to go the posted speed limits...I think ATC is better but I know that Shit is expensive
Quincy Harvey I to was on the el from 00 until 04 they was just starting to switch the signals over from the wayside to in cab and yes that’s right you have no control of the train the computer does everything the m4’s are junk the only thing they are good for is calling out the stops and comfortable operator seat on the orange line we have total control over everything but once they replace the Kawasaki cars it’ll be the same as market street I’ll been done retired then
Larry McNeil yeah I hear everyone saying that’s all it is...a piece of junk on wheels lol...and I’m like damn I wanna get into SEPTA so I can drive them one day but I ain’t tryna drive no piece of junk tho!! Lol
I’m to sure about that. When I grow up I want to be a train operator for the MTA and many people would lose their jobs including me. I might not even get a chance to apply if that happens. Why do you want it automated?
The New York City Subway system was made to be operated manually. There are some parts of the rapid transit system that are automatic. There are some new towers that have been built near some train lines that cover large miles of track. Some towers that are located at subway stations are set to work automatically. Some subway cars are not equipped for automatic train operation (ATO). A train operator and a conductor are needed for a subway train because some stations are curved, even graded (sloped).
@@MrMam-yo7qp the 7 and L lines are already semi automated. Train Operators don't have to accelerate or brake, the train does it for them. All they have to do is press a button at every station and make sure nothing goes wrong.
@@marsdatta1818 True but for me it’ll get really boring. And I’m pretty sure in the future, at these rates, it’s going to be fully automated. And I really don’t want that to happen. There are also good reason why it shouldn’t be.
This is the scam the MTA been doing for decades. They change the speed of the signal but never change the speed limit sign. This is not a new problem, from Fulton St to Bowling Green on the 4 and 5 line use to be 30 mph. About 10 years ago they installed bloody slow 10mph timer signal on straight level track. The same con as the emergency phone system in tunnel that doesn't work, that the Blue light you see in tunnel.. Oh and let's not talk about how bad or not workingt radio system they have. Manager needs to be made publicly accountable on who made these decisions.
May I remember you that the New York subways was built by 3 different companies in 1920? So no planning was ever made to be efficient... and people dont want to pay taxes...
in roblox the speeds are nothing like this in NYC subway games because if a realy laggy Train comes it will cuse crashing and trains to be delayd bhind itlike in STS slow trains cuse huge delays whan the signal says that u ment to go 172 miles pher ower and a slow train comes Ir james the hole line bhind the train wich means when express track signals are avalible slow trains can come (snow man station*
Amazon headquarters can kindly go f*ck themselves. Greedy, "too big to fail" multinational corporations like them, with their unethical business practices and their barely legal tax evasion schemes, add no value to our society.
After the train crash that killed Mororman Leyton Gibson on the Williamsburg Bridge the trains were governed down to 40 mph, but going up a grade like the Manhattan bridge or FT Hamilton Pkwy the top speed of GOH and SMEE equipment barley reaches 18 mph, The MTA needs to govern the trains back to 55 mph.
TheShock03 That’s going to take a lot of time. The MTA’s plan to install CBTC on some lines will taken 10 years. Increasing speeds is a faster short term solution to make trains more reliable.
I'm sure they will eventually, but it's incredibly expensive and will take time. If they don't make sure the existing infrastructure works effectively because something better might come in the future, then the system will never improve!
I live in Philadelphia where the market Frankfort line is 30 mph and the broadstreet line express can go 70 and local can go 50 septa trains are older and going faster mta yall have more people to move anf new trains ive been on the r188 and r160 and r179 and line that has an express rout yall should be going at least 70 mph and the locals in some areas at least 50 or 45 not 30 dont be the market Frankfort line yall can do better
All these ridiculous slow speeds causes my train to be delayed way to much time had enough left the job going 15 mph from one station to another is so stupid But yet if u over speed even if u don’t trip on the red signal or derail they get u with the radar gun
I wonder How many train operators were fired for hitting improper calibrated signals thru the years that the signal department swears was working properly ?
It utterly amazes me how is it people do not acknowledge the main problem in the subway is not that the trains are "on time" but the lack of police presence in and around the subway. The other main problem is the amount of homelessness in the subway. I don't ride the trains and buses because they are slow,I don't use the trains/buses because of the other people that ride them. Slow trains and buses would be way more bearable if there were better people riding them.
King Super Saiyan This is virtually impossible. I don’t know why everyone has a fetish for following the Japan model, but it’s not an off-the-shelf idea. We need a unique way to make the trains run on time. Our delays stem from the interlined nature of the subway, so we need to tackle that first.
@@MarloSoBalJr Hire private contractors to do the job and save billions. France did that and was able to make these modifications at a fraction of the cost.
Please hurry with the implementation. It takes 30 minutes to drive from Flatbush to Chelsea but an hour and a half to take the train. My family treats me like a free Uber because of the inadequate train system a
Christopher Dobson First, the R32s and R42s have the WORST FAILURE RATES in the entire fleet. Also those cars CANNOT interface with the new CBTC system the MTA plans to install. Therefore, the R32s and R42s have to be retired as soon as possible to make subway rides more reliable in the worlds greatest city. There’s no other option. Second, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SPEED LIMITS?
The MTA should have NEVER reduced the speed creating so many slow zones to remedy the situation of train collisions. The solution to collisions is to fire the motormen creating the accidents, not punish millions of riders by making an already miserable commute a slow miserable commute. I've been riding the subways since the 1960s and speed was never an issue up until the 1990s. Perhaps recruiting a higher quality workforce would reduce many of the issues the subway experiences.
Azeddine Makh trainluvr noticed that the section of the express track between 52nd and 61st Streets had the timer removed several months back. Also the line has a new CBTC and ATO systems.
Fettywaps Lefteye The Robert Ray incident was due to him driving the train intoxicated. Since then, new rules and advances in track geometry and subway car technology allow for safe increases in speed. I don’t remember hearing a sober motorman speeding on the track, so this increase will work.
Old ass system. They keep raising the fairs to pay for these bloated pensions. Drivers making 6 figures to drive the train or bus. The system is a dump. And they just announced today the rider congestion price of $2.75 if you take a cab or Uber past 96th street. The claim the money raised is going to help fix the subway. 😂 yea ok
Christian Arroyo The signals are going to be recalibrated and the speed limits are being increased where it’s safe to do so, so there will be a difference
Would it not be easier to replace these signals that can wear out over time with a software solution that simply knows when to speed up and slow down based on location. Removes a mechanical solution that can fail over time. It's how Europeans do it
@@TheRailLeaguer No I'm talking about a location based system that uses beacons attached to the train and tunnels. I can't remember the name .. CTBC is out dated tech. MTA is decades behind in installing that and realistically never will. Fixing the signals is not worth the investment since it'll result in it breaking down again anyway. Why invest in a temporary solution when you can invest in the future. Also CTBC is cheaper to install than fix these signals since CTBC is available commercially but these signals are no longer made and must be custom built according to the Nytimes
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You folks out there need to realize, if we were to hit a signal, we get disciplined very harshly! If a home signal is hit - it is considered a collision - and that punishment is severe! We're not going slow because we feel like it; we are just protecting our jobs!
It's sad most won't understand unless there the one behind the controls
Anthony Boyd yep people just don’t care
JorgeCat78 Ain't nobody got time for that! People need to get to where they are going quickly and on time! Miss me with the excuses!😒😠
Fredrick Davis Do you want the motormen to get punished or lose their jobs?
@@TheRailLeaguer he dont give a damn. Hes a typical cold-hearted New Yorker. Sometimes I can understand why people outside of New York hate us so much.
one thing about the grade time signals, they don't clear on time when you go at the speed limit. This forces operators to do 7-8 mph less than the posted speed cuz they fear to overrun these signals. They definitely need to calibrate the timers.
Example, if it's a signal at red with a lunar white lens under, it means this signal will clear (stop arm goes down) when the train approaches it at the speed limit. So if the limit is 25, it should clear if we do 25. In reality, if we did 25, or even 23, that stop arm will still be up as the train passes the signal.
This is EXACTLY what has been needed for years! Bring the trains back up to the speeds the subways were originally designed for (especially the IND which took great care in measuring track superelevation, etc for solid 40-50 MPH running back in the early 30s).
Yes especially my beloved A & C line
I don't think some of the tracks can take a increase in speed
2/3 from 72-42 is easily 45-55. IRT>IND.
Well if passengers would learn not to hold the doors while their girlfriend is getting coffee downstairs maybe it will work
@Jhon Krasnovskiy Little harsh there Jhon don't you think? The crush I can understand, but asphyxiated is a bit harsh
Calm down a little
@@yolandashaw5224 Ya' Think
@Jason Young Actually they wouldn't I had a family move they're entire apt. 145 they put a Large refrigerated in the door and proceeded to move couches, mattress, box springs, and assorted apartment furniture onto my train. The only bright spot was that the guy gave me a heads up as to where he was getting off and promise to hustle it all to the platform, Only in New York!!
No one does that
I'm loving this change. I've liked my 1/2/3 lines since the beginning, but 1 trains going 40 and 2/3 going 45-60 is just great. 4, 5, 6, 7, A, B, D, E, F, and L trains are fast as well. Some that still need work are the C, D from 36 to Coney Island, F on Culver Local, G, J, M, and the yellow line.
Another benefit of shortened running times that is seldom mentioned is that if you can provide the same level of service on a line with one or more fewer trains in the schedule, the savings in both operational and capital costs are significant.
trainluvr Maybe They can use the extra trains elsewhere as well with these savings.
Everyone is an MTA employee in the comments until its actually time to do the job.
TrainKidKris lol
Lmaoooooooo
Boom. Roasted
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Pls set appropiately Grade Time signals!!!!! This often cause local trains to overtake EXPRESS trains
Japanese railway: *Ha amateur’s*
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Excellent video and explanation. Thank you. I have noticed that my commute has improved.
Can't wait for these improvements to come to the J line.
Samuel Santaella The speed limit between Essex Street to Bowery was raised from 15 MPH to 30 MPH and the speed limit for express J/Z trains merging into the local tracks between Hewes St and Marcy Av was raised from 10 MPH to 20 MPH
@@TheRailLeaguer Good to read! I hope they speed up the slow sections around Broadway Junction and Crescent St/Cypress Hills.
Samuel Santaella The S curve May not be the safest place to increase the speeds.
@@samuelitooooo No, Because it's gonna make the trains tilt over and crash, you don't want that to happen
@@TheRailLeaguer Pretty sure they can do 15 MPH safely, on all four curves (two in both directions). Still an improvement over slowing down to a near stop (sometimes stopping entirely) every 20 seconds or so.
You should see how some operators floor Jamaica-bound trains out of Crescent St though. 20+ MPH. A bit scary especially towards the back of the train, but until now we haven't heard of any derailments...
Very good video, MTA! : ) Our New Yorkers will know how these MTA trains are slowing down due to speed limitis in New York.
That's nice. Now you just need to automate more of it like you have with your L line to really increase frequency of trains.
London has four lines at Grade-of-Automation (GoA) 2 level like the L, with a further 4 coming online next year. Plus we have a functional GoA3 with the DLR.
@nycbk23 Good to know. To be fair, both systems still have some pretty dated operations. Hopefully more lines get this treatment soon and really boost efficiency.
I live nowhere near NYC but I enjoy those videos anyhow.
Andy my man! You're doing it!
You’d only know the meaning of haulass when you go on the 5 train during rush hour.
ohhhhhhhhhhh boy!
I feel you
Right in a daily 5 train rider and yea
You just saved so many drivers being too fast
Good thing everyone is now safe
Thanks for speeding up the speed limit, today I'll be going to the One World Trade Center. Still love to live in ny
KayKay123 I hope you had fun!
In Toronto, there are markers on the walls of the platform telling the driver and conductor information. The front of the train always stops next to a red circle while the back lines up with a green triangle, which the conductor points at before opening the doors. When the train departs, the conductor can’t go back into their cab until the train passes by an orange triangle in the middle
The NYC subway does have similar markers. Instead of a red circle, there are numbers corresponding to the length of your train, so if your train is 8 cars long, you stop at the 8 marker - or there's an S if the stopping location is the same regardless of consist. An outdated system for most lines that run full-length 8- or 10-car trains nowadays, but there are still some lines that run short trains at longer platforms; notably the G, M, and Far Rockaway shuttle. And conductors here in NYC are at the middle of the train, so you'll find at the very center of platforms there are white and black striped panels that conductors point to before opening doors.
JorgeCat78,
You're just tellin' it like it is. Yeah, the signal system is jacked up. At the same time passengers are impatient (as usual). Puts the operator/motorman right in the middle. But nobody is gonna blow their job for circumstances they simply cannot control....PERIOD.
I love the brutal simplification of those signals. Doesn't matter if it's speed, distance or junction, it's just red, yellow green. The driver doesn't even really need to know what the signal is about
It does matter if it’s speed distance or junction
This will work(even I'm concerned with trains overrunning the station and not a being able to break in time when someone falls into the tracks😨). It will also help when getting to a station for a anti-missing train/bus transfer plus, a reduction of train bunching.
King Auto & NYC Transit the mta is trying to install platform gates to prevent ppl from falling into the tracks.
@@yaric2274 It's been spoken since 2017. This have to deal with the shutdowns first.
@@yaric2274 They have to retire all the 75 footers first
I dont think that they will raise the speed limit in the station areas.
@@hongzewu5435 And you'd be incorrect thinking that.
WMATA on the other hands Their train doors start to shake when going through a strong wind
Paris and many other cities have automated metro trains so journeys are always the same time and 100% consistent. Time to make the switch.
MTA unions won't allow the MTA to make the swap because it means fewer repairs and jobs. The L train has the tech installed but still has these ancient signals installed with it cause the Union insisted according to the Nytimes. The Union official stand is that two systems is safer than one in the article.
Also part of the Fast Forward plan. Not every line will make the switch, but the plan is that within 10 years, many important sections of the subway will have CBTC.
Don't worry, the 7 line already uses CBTC
New York has and always should do things its own way. America first!
it's new york city we are talking about where fucking people getting sick and holding the doors and homeless people yelling for money during rush hours.
I've noticed it. I hope they keep coming.
i really like the subway
Lukas goes Traveling This subway is not up to world standards friend.
@@joemartin1253 Ouch...
@@joemartin1253 That's the truth.
Did u see an examples in 0:52-0:58? If it happens, that will trigger an emergency brake. It will differently scare a lot of passengers inside of the train.
Its a safety device to prevent the train from crashing into another. And scared of what your train stopping?
@@Trainkidkris I wasn't out somewhere. I'm just saying in general.
Serious Question... living in NY I always wanted to work for the MTA bc it’s a good job with good pay and benefits I just don’t know how to get my foot in the door would anyone care to share advice on the best tips to find a good source to get started.??
Check the transit forums
I live in bayside queens near the q27 stop and last year they installed those new bus stop signs with digital time on it , worked for 1 day and that's it , its bent and crooked, tip of the ice berg
I wish they made these so it could be no delays or nothing, back to normal
How to make trains run faster
Change the speed limit ◉.◉
Its not that simple. Raising the limit will bring back accidents. We now have newer tech such as CBTC that will help, which will finally eliminate some issues with changing the limit.
Learn some facts
Would you rather get to your destination safely
Or go flying out the Window at a sharp Curve
@@ninofromkitchennightmares1497 True and if ur upper ground the train would probably fall to the street lol
Fast Forward our New York transit, one day at a time! : )
2:11 like it when its an r42. i miss em
This should persuade more New Yorkers to come out and ride the subway. The rapid transit system is improving.
yeah now what needs to be fixed is the fact that it is filthy as hell
@@Abandoned23345 Thank you for typing to me.
This should alleviate the delays on both Westside and Eastside number trains and a trip from 110th Street Cathedral Parkway with a change at 96th Street Broadway to 34th Street Penn Station on 42nd Street Times Square Port Authority Bus Terminal might become 10 minutes thanks to these changes.
If trains are only traveling at 5 miles per hour then biking must be significantly faster. 30 mph is a more typical speed for a rapid transit system.
It reminds me of Paris where the average speed is a frustrating 13 mph because the stations are close together.
So that's why there was an R42 on Sea Beach and West End.
As long as the signals don’t go bust every other weekend, I will be cool.
It needs to be like at least 50 mph. That's the normal speed throughout other parts of the world. Still not fast enough.
It is on the Broadway/7 Ave Express
Love it
ok MTA, seriously, I'm not a pro in subway, but why the Tokyo Metro opened in 1927 (38 years older than the MTA) is able to modernize their signal and controls with ATC and ATS, and keep the trains on time to seconds, while the MTA Subway is still having serious delay problem on several lines, everyday, in 2019.
TNTSquid 【MIO.sh】 The MTA doesn’t have enough money to handle every single problems because of terrible problems in the past. Don’t even get me started on the signals, its so expensive to replace to the point its out of their budgets and its so hard to replace. America isn’t involved in transportation because it started very young.
TNTSquid 【mio9】 The first segment of the NYC Subway opened in 1904.
@@TheRailLeaguer i guess this is a vicious cycle, they don't get enough funding for the upgrades, so, trains frequently delay with unstable system/human error, then, people chooses other transport over the train, earnings decreased, and then there's no funding for the upgrade.....
Things will never change unless someone decide to spend a little more to fix their signaling system to at least using ATS instead of trip hooks at the rail that fuck up the entire line for passing red signal
TNTSquid 【mio9】 That’s Why Andy Byford is here. He plans on accelerating installation of Communications Based Train Control (CBTC) and Automatic Train Operation (ATO) on several lines, renovate stations, make the subway more accessible, etc.
@@MIO9_sh ATS is no longer used in lots of countries
0:54 Can't you use something else to trigger the brakes like a grid on the tracks / ATP? The brakes can be reset in the cab by just stopping.
I think the point is that they are meant to inspect the train when an emergency stop is triggered, they'd still have to do it even if they technically could disable it in cab.
And on the long island railroad when you emergency brake the m7 model from my knowledge you have to turn off the whole train and restart it and you can't just brake and then go they have a full inspection and report even if you overshoot the station by a quarter of a car they still have to emergency stop and investigate why the operator did not stop and this can even make train delays and commuters late and mad but we always have to keep our customers safe. Sorry for writing all this I just was bored and did it .
@@juanalicorish8407 np
@@Cloudrak yes because I was a mta driver for the long island railroad for 4 years and it happen to me about twice because of teens and we had to have a full investigation yes you can reset the brake in the cab but you have to restart the train anyway because if train workers get to close they may get shocked from the train
I wish that the new trains had the front window as shown in the r42 trains in this video!
42luke roblox Why?
JeremiahC99
So we can see out the front window when in the train. I find it silly they made the train operator room cover that. Since I have never seen a train operator use that space. That’s why too. But it will never happen again : (
So i’ll just enjoy the R32 trains with it.
42luke roblox Railfan Windows are the last thing you should be worrying about.
JeremiahC99
But why? It is a fun part of the experience riding the trains. I’m just saying.
42luke roblox The experience is fun, but honestly, we’ve got bigger fish to fry.
No wait, we got a bigger dish to dry.
Wow. Now I understand what New Yorkers mean when they talk about "our desolate subway system". I'm European, so I simply expected the stations would be run-down and the rolling stock *somewhat* old. I had no idea it was *this* bad and that trains were going only 20 miles an hour. Seriously, what IS New York's mayor doing with your taxpayer money?
FrostyAUT mta owned by ny state
Blame it not on the mayor. City Hall does not receive any funds from New York City Transit. Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) is seeking several billion dollars from the state, even the federal government. I would love to know that some funds will be invested in mass transportation which is the lifeline of the city.
Laughs in London as we speed down the Underground at 50mph
yeah but y'all got racists forcing you to brexit. xD
jamesthemaniac you really wanna talk about racism when you live in the US😂😂
Eli H we have had gale force winds and flash flooding and the underground still runs, our trains may be smaller but our subsurface lines are the same size. Our trains are comfy and inviting it doesn’t feel like an interrogation room and we sure don’t use plastic seats that stick to your thighs in summer. Our stations are cleaner and may I say brighter and better, we have escalators at almost all of our stations and most are accessible, we don’t use an outdated system to use our trains u can even use your bank card to use the Underground, our trains are driven automatically on most lines and some use CBTC meaning no signals required and thus a train every 60 seconds including station dwell time, our oldest train is from 1972 while yours is from the 60s, we rarely have delays or closures and basically our trains aren’t rolling tin cans
@@Elijah-zy6ce never said we didn't have a shit ton too. Also, wasn't calling you a racist, just making a joke about how some things suck in london too :`D
London is the opposite of racist
on the B and Q trains from W8 NYC aquarium to Prospect Park
This is the only subway system that uses old ass train cars & a extremely outdated signal system from the 1930's. There are countries that aren't even richer than NYC or America as a whole that has better and modern subway systems.
At least the Oldies look more modern than trains now
PickleBetard A.K.A Pickle Rick's Fatass Cousin It’s the other way around. The new trains are the modern ones and the MBDF rates are really high.
It doesn’t matter it still gets us around very fast
Tyler Wong if those crumbling R32 and R42 cars don’t break down, like they always do, despite the work the yards put in.
um America is the richest country on Earth, so no country could be richer than the US
Interesting I’m a motorman for Septa our track speed is fifty mph on one & four track & 70 mph on two & three track but they are slowing us down in certain areas & it makes no sense
Larry McNeil a few of my friends work for Septa & 2 of them told me they miss the old wayside signals on the El...since they switch over to ATC they have no choice but to go the posted speed limits...I think ATC is better but I know that Shit is expensive
Quincy Harvey I to was on the el from 00 until 04 they was just starting to switch the signals over from the wayside to in cab and yes that’s right you have no control of the train the computer does everything the m4’s are junk the only thing they are good for is calling out the stops and comfortable operator seat on the orange line we have total control over everything but once they replace the Kawasaki cars it’ll be the same as market street I’ll been done retired then
Larry McNeil yeah I hear everyone saying that’s all it is...a piece of junk on wheels lol...and I’m like damn I wanna get into SEPTA so I can drive them one day but I ain’t tryna drive no piece of junk tho!! Lol
If you were an actual Motorman you would Know that
Any plans to modernize the system so that some of these lines can be automated?
actually CBTC is already in place for that, so your dream is a reality.
I’m to sure about that. When I grow up I want to be a train operator for the MTA and many people would lose their jobs including me. I might not even get a chance to apply if that happens.
Why do you want it automated?
The New York City Subway system was made to be operated manually. There are some parts of the rapid transit system that are automatic. There are some new towers that have been built near some train lines that cover large miles of track. Some towers that are located at subway stations are set to work automatically. Some subway cars are not equipped for automatic train operation (ATO). A train operator and a conductor are needed for a subway train because some stations are curved, even graded (sloped).
@@MrMam-yo7qp the 7 and L lines are already semi automated. Train Operators don't have to accelerate or brake, the train does it for them. All they have to do is press a button at every station and make sure nothing goes wrong.
@@marsdatta1818 True but for me it’ll get really boring. And I’m pretty sure in the future, at these rates, it’s going to be fully automated. And I really don’t want that to happen.
There are also good reason why it shouldn’t be.
What's the speed limit in NYC trains? Modern trains get between 35 and 45mph
It depends on how sharp curves are, how close station are, how much track switch there are...
it can vary from 15 mph to 50 mph
2/3 from 72-42 can reach 59, E/F go around 48-54, N/R/W under the East River go a whopping 60-65.
What difference does it make when there are delays every day?
Syed Faraz Barring any other circumstances, trains can go faster due to the calibrated timers and raised speed limits.
These are the reasons for delays
Actually watch the video
You'll get there - eventually.
This is the scam the MTA been doing for decades. They change the speed of the signal but never change the speed limit sign. This is not a new problem, from Fulton St to Bowling Green on the 4 and 5 line use to be 30 mph. About 10 years ago they installed bloody slow 10mph timer signal on straight level track. The same con as the emergency phone system in tunnel that doesn't work, that the Blue light you see in tunnel.. Oh and let's not talk about how bad or not workingt radio system they have. Manager needs to be made publicly accountable on who made these decisions.
Let’s go
I would recommend watch how faster cars in Moscow Metro ride)
May I remember you that the New York subways was built by 3 different companies in 1920? So no planning was ever made to be efficient... and people dont want to pay taxes...
in roblox the speeds are nothing like this in NYC subway games because if a realy laggy Train comes it will cuse crashing and trains to be delayd bhind itlike in STS slow trains cuse huge delays whan the signal says that u ment to go 172 miles pher ower and a slow train comes Ir james the hole line bhind the train wich means when express track signals are avalible slow trains can come (snow man station*
Nobody gives 2 shits about a fucking Roblox game
Williamsburg bridge crash
Hopefully, the Amazon headquarters will help with rider congestion... oh wait.
WELL HOPEFULLY THE AMAZON HEADQUARTERS WILL HELP YOUR FAT ASS CONGESTION... OH WAIT.
Amazon headquarters can kindly go f*ck themselves. Greedy, "too big to fail" multinational corporations like them, with their unethical business practices and their barely legal tax evasion schemes, add no value to our society.
Well this should be interesting
1:00) ITS THE R42S
After the train crash that killed Mororman Leyton Gibson on the Williamsburg Bridge the trains were governed down to 40 mph, but going up a grade like the Manhattan bridge or FT Hamilton Pkwy the top speed of GOH and SMEE equipment barley reaches 18 mph, The MTA needs to govern the trains back to 55 mph.
I don't understand how that accident happened on a straight long section of track on the bridge. He should have seen him literally a mile away
The 2, 3, 4, 5, 7exp, A, B, D, E, and F do reach 55 in some sections. But more trains need to.
yas
Heres a solution, how about the mta install a new signal system and take out the one thats been here since the 1950s
TheShock03 That’s going to take a lot of time. The MTA’s plan to install CBTC on some lines will taken 10 years.
Increasing speeds is a faster short term solution to make trains more reliable.
I'm sure they will eventually, but it's incredibly expensive and will take time. If they don't make sure the existing infrastructure works effectively because something better might come in the future, then the system will never improve!
I live in Philadelphia where the market Frankfort line is 30 mph and the broadstreet line express can go 70 and local can go 50 septa trains are older and going faster mta yall have more people to move anf new trains ive been on the r188 and r160 and r179 and line that has an express rout yall should be going at least 70 mph and the locals in some areas at least 50 or 45 not 30 dont be the market Frankfort line yall can do better
Why can’t they just install, CBTC/ATO?
Forza223 Bowe That will be in the long term, and it will take time. This is the fastest solution to stabilizing the system.
Still pisses me off when they close the 7 Train and we all have to be transported to Court Square.
These little commercials should be aired on TV as commercials
Is the r42 extinct yet besides the one in the museum
I don't want it to be I'm just asking
@TheChicagoL this not old TH-cam lol
All these ridiculous slow speeds causes my train to be delayed way to much time had enough left the job going 15 mph from one station to another is so stupid But yet if u over speed even if u don’t trip on the red signal or derail they get u with the radar gun
I wonder How many train operators were fired for hitting improper calibrated signals thru the years that the signal department swears was working properly ?
vernon mincey A lot most likely.
It utterly amazes me how is it people do not acknowledge the main problem in the subway is not that the trains are "on time" but the lack of police presence in and around the subway.
The other main problem is the amount of homelessness in the subway.
I don't ride the trains and buses because they are slow,I don't use the trains/buses because of the other people that ride them.
Slow trains and buses would be way more bearable if there were better people riding them.
With the development of significantly more complex autonomous cars, why can"t we have fast automated train systems running on rolling block systems?
Ezra Kainz Tell that to the unions.
Bout time
It’s 1 am why am i watching train videos
MTA's new challenge: Make every subway arrive at a station within 1 minutes. IF JAPAN CAN DO IT, SO CAN YOU!!! NOW WORK ON IT!!!
King Super Saiyan Thats too extreme.
@@TheRailLeaguer How is it extreme?
King Super Saiyan This is virtually impossible. I don’t know why everyone has a fetish for following the Japan model, but it’s not an off-the-shelf idea. We need a unique way to make the trains run on time. Our delays stem from the interlined nature of the subway, so we need to tackle that first.
@@TheRailLeaguer China also has the best subway system too. The ones in New York is just too old
King Super Saiyan This makes no sense and is unrelated to the NYC Subway.
I was in the f train and almost kill me because it was going fast
QBL? Cuz that's the ONLY place the F goes fast.
HELVETICA
Why haven’t you automated the entire system yet like San Francisco? We’re living in the past here
IHEartLReoy It takes time and money. This would be the fastest solution to increase train speeds while we wait for funding.
They could also modify curves so that trains could tilt and maintain speed.
$$$$$$$$
Come up with $8.5 billion then maybe come back to me
@@MarloSoBalJr Hire private contractors to do the job and save billions. France did that and was able to make these modifications at a fraction of the cost.
when the trains go fast enough they will start tilting so they can maintain speed and they wont derail
Hahaha, in America?
“Speed unit” lmaoooo ok..
Please hurry with the implementation. It takes 30 minutes to drive from Flatbush to Chelsea but an hour and a half to take the train. My family treats me like a free Uber because of the inadequate train system a
I mean, it's not like there's an express on either one of lines.
Lol you know damn well it don’t take an hour and a half from Flatbush to Chelsea on the train 😭
@@user-cj3dk1gb1k lol, you would be surprised. The 2/5 is always at a crawl due to 'traffic ahead' or some other reason. It's a mess.
@@cbwavy take the BM2/3 then.
Please don't scrap the r42s and r32s mta I love em too much
Christopher Dobson First, the R32s and R42s have the WORST FAILURE RATES in the entire fleet. Also those cars CANNOT interface with the new CBTC system the MTA plans to install. Therefore, the R32s and R42s have to be retired as soon as possible to make subway rides more reliable in the worlds greatest city. There’s no other option.
Second, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SPEED LIMITS?
Train boy ant There are some R32s and R42s in the museum fleet if you want to see them. They usually bring them out every once in a while.
The MTA should have NEVER reduced the speed creating so many slow zones to remedy the situation of train collisions. The solution to collisions is to fire the motormen creating the accidents, not punish millions of riders by making an already miserable commute a slow miserable commute. I've been riding the subways since the 1960s and speed was never an issue up until the 1990s. Perhaps recruiting a higher quality workforce would reduce many of the issues the subway experiences.
Yancey Zimmerman Why?
R32's: Am I a joke to you?
SPEED
Even though my E train slowed down at some points I still made it from Midtown to Downtown Jamaica within 30 minutes. Not that bad.
That's a solid 50 minute ride, at least when I lived there. Are you kidding me?
REPLACE YOUR SIGNALS.
Why replace it
When you can fix it
good thing i own a car
Eazy-E Why? Do you have any idea how terrible street traffic in Manhattan is compared to the subway?
Good for you. 👍
Well take the 7 train and feel how fast it goes, I would say the 7 train is the slowest train in NYC. Please fix it
Azeddine Makh trainluvr noticed that the section of the express track between 52nd and 61st Streets had the timer removed several months back. Also the line has a new CBTC and ATO systems.
The R train is definitely the slowest
It wasn’t because they went too fast one was because the driver was drunk and another fell asleep
I will change the speed limit into 1 trillion miles an hour
That's dangerous and could cause lots of derailments
Look at the MTA and this bs
oh they must not remember who Robert Ray is and what he did......
Fettywaps Lefteye The Robert Ray incident was due to him driving the train intoxicated. Since then, new rules and advances in track geometry and subway car technology allow for safe increases in speed. I don’t remember hearing a sober motorman speeding on the track, so this increase will work.
@@TheRailLeaguer it was also the reason for damn near every single safety precaution known to t.a including randoms
Old ass system. They keep raising the fairs to pay for these bloated pensions. Drivers making 6 figures to drive the train or bus. The system is a dump. And they just announced today the rider congestion price of $2.75 if you take a cab or Uber past 96th street. The claim the money raised is going to help fix the subway. 😂 yea ok
Oh please
With your everyday “signal problems, emergency breaks activated” we will never feel the deference
Christian Arroyo The signals are going to be recalibrated and the speed limits are being increased where it’s safe to do so, so there will be a difference
Chicago Transit Authority - Laughs at You. 🤣😂🤣
The L train is the fastest right now.
2/3 from 96 to 42 is 50-60mph
Good, now ditch the times on the A train in Manhattan and you got my affection
carlos non-ya Some of the timers on the lime were installed in areas where high speed travel are unsafe.
@@TheRailLeaguer and some of them were unnecessary
carlos non-ya True
Would it not be easier to replace these signals that can wear out over time with a software solution that simply knows when to speed up and slow down based on location. Removes a mechanical solution that can fail over time. It's how Europeans do it
Mo Uddin If referring to CBTC, then it will be expensive to do. This is the fastest solution to fix the system for now.
@@TheRailLeaguer No I'm talking about a location based system that uses beacons attached to the train and tunnels. I can't remember the name .. CTBC is out dated tech. MTA is decades behind in installing that and realistically never will. Fixing the signals is not worth the investment since it'll result in it breaking down again anyway. Why invest in a temporary solution when you can invest in the future. Also CTBC is cheaper to install than fix these signals since CTBC is available commercially but these signals are no longer made and must be custom built according to the Nytimes
Mo Uddin Either way, it will take time. The timer recalibration is a quick fix
@@TheRailLeaguer It really isn't tho. MTA estimates 10 years for either solution. So in reality 50. (JK on the 50 I hope)
Mo Uddin I think they really mean it this time.