I learned this form from Doug Wolf. He learned it from Master Wong .I really would like the tittle of this music. This was played in our class and no one seems to know the name of it.
I've seen the same form done(in person) by legitimate masters and none of them look exactly the same. These masters weren't robots, so they won't do it like one. Also the same form done by the same master looks different throughout his life. Change isn't bad dude! ;) And this is Chen Fake's student. Chen Fake taught many people with different backgrounds, and Fake was known to change , or allow students to change his Taiji. And this form looks like Xinjia Yi Lu, NOT Lao Jia Yi Lu.
It is very difficult to distinguish between Laojia and Xinjia. The "Laojia" that Chen Zhaopei taught at Chenjiagou was also not like the one he took in his pictures from the 1930s 40s. Chen zhaopei also learned from Chen Fake, exchanged with Chen Zhaokui and especially studied Xiao jia. Maybe you can look Chen Zhongquan to find "Old Form", but that is really old, we don't know.
@@tungnguyenba627 CZP was only 6 years younger than Chen Fake, even though he was his uncle. They both learned from the same teachers in the village, it's doubtful Chen Fake's Laojia has evolved his movements in the form and passed them on to CZP prior to his book published in 1935. His book has 75 moves still, while the new form is 83. Chen Fake didn't begin evolving his form until much after he moved to Beijing in 1928. Chen Fake didn't begin training until age 14 and likely didn't begin teaching seriously until around 20. CZP couldn't have learned that much from Fake, since they only spent about 7 years together after Chen Fake turned 20. After that, they both went off to other places to teach. The 1935 book that CZP published is before he moved back to Chen Village to teach. So which version of CZP is more original?
@@lindltailor Thanks for your respond. Chen Zhaopi's 1935 version is "older" in my opinion. Look at the movements of chen qingzhou, a disciple of Chen zhaopi who was not influenced by Chen Zhaokui. It is different from what the four guardians of Chen jiakou show, and is quite close to the 1935 photo. before 1928 there are almost no documents left, so how can you say that Chen Zhaokui modified his Form, and not Chen Zhaopi? As for me, martial arts is alive, nothing is old, old frame is also a modified form from previous forms. Efficiency is the most important thing.
@@tungnguyenba627 CZP's culture and his generation did not care about the efficiency of the martial arts, as we may do today in the age of JKD and UFC. Preserving the family art is the reason CZP moved back to Chenjiagou, and sacrificed his career and nearly cost him his life. The generation of CZP is much reflected in Chen Qingzhou, those two generations upheld the original as it was handed to them and called it "respect the ancients". Not every generation can and should be an innovator, otherwise you'd have nothing at the end of it
@@lindltailor " Not every generation can and should be an innovator, otherwise you'd have nothing at the end of it" Moves can be changed but the Principles have not be changed. Look at Yang Familiy, Eveyr Generation have their our Forms. And look at Tai chi Comunies, how many branches of Taichi do you have? In Chen Family, too, in the same Generation No one has the same movement, even if they do the same Form, Applications is different, too. We are Human, Principles of Movement and their Effect is more Importance, old and Ancient peoples in every Generations always changed their Movement, too, Principles not (or maybe) not changed.
发科公4大弟子之一, 拳架古朴,韵味十足!
Una de las Formas tradicionales , como las Chen Zhao Kui Y su Padre Chen Fake. muy autentica,.
Fantastic footage. This is the form I've learned from Master He Gong De of Shanghai.
I learned this form from Doug Wolf. He learned it from Master Wong .I really would like the tittle of this music. This was played in our class and no one seems to know the name of it.
beautiful. thanks for sharing the video.
田秀臣， 一路打的最象陈发科；二路雷慕尼最象。八大第子中最优秀的两位。非常珍贵的视频。
Yes, it's Chen family Taiji
Been looking for He Bin Quan Chen Sword please post.
I've seen the same form done(in person) by legitimate masters and none of them look exactly the same. These masters weren't robots, so they won't do it like one. Also the same form done by the same master looks different throughout his life. Change isn't bad dude! ;) And this is Chen Fake's student. Chen Fake taught many people with different backgrounds, and Fake was known to change , or allow students to change his Taiji. And this form looks like Xinjia Yi Lu, NOT Lao Jia Yi Lu.
It is very difficult to distinguish between Laojia and Xinjia. The "Laojia" that Chen Zhaopei taught at Chenjiagou was also not like the one he took in his pictures from the 1930s 40s.
Chen zhaopei also learned from Chen Fake, exchanged with Chen Zhaokui and especially studied Xiao jia.
Maybe you can look Chen Zhongquan to find "Old Form", but that is really old, we don't know.
@@tungnguyenba627 CZP was only 6 years younger than Chen Fake, even though he was his uncle. They both learned from the same teachers in the village, it's doubtful Chen Fake's Laojia has evolved his movements in the form and passed them on to CZP prior to his book published in 1935. His book has 75 moves still, while the new form is 83. Chen Fake didn't begin evolving his form until much after he moved to Beijing in 1928.
Chen Fake didn't begin training until age 14 and likely didn't begin teaching seriously until around 20. CZP couldn't have learned that much from Fake, since they only spent about 7 years together after Chen Fake turned 20. After that, they both went off to other places to teach. The 1935 book that CZP published is before he moved back to Chen Village to teach. So which version of CZP is more original?
@@lindltailor Thanks for your respond. Chen Zhaopi's 1935 version is "older" in my opinion. Look at the movements of chen qingzhou, a disciple of Chen zhaopi who was not influenced by Chen Zhaokui. It is different from what the four guardians of Chen jiakou show, and is quite close to the 1935 photo.
before 1928 there are almost no documents left, so how can you say that Chen Zhaokui modified his Form, and not Chen Zhaopi?
As for me, martial arts is alive, nothing is old, old frame is also a modified form from previous forms. Efficiency is the most important thing.
@@tungnguyenba627 CZP's culture and his generation did not care about the efficiency of the martial arts, as we may do today in the age of JKD and UFC. Preserving the family art is the reason CZP moved back to Chenjiagou, and sacrificed his career and nearly cost him his life. The generation of CZP is much reflected in Chen Qingzhou, those two generations upheld the original as it was handed to them and called it "respect the ancients". Not every generation can and should be an innovator, otherwise you'd have nothing at the end of it
@@lindltailor " Not every generation can and should be an innovator, otherwise you'd have nothing at the end of it"
Moves can be changed but the Principles have not be changed. Look at Yang Familiy, Eveyr Generation have their our Forms. And look at Tai chi Comunies, how many branches of Taichi do you have? In Chen Family, too, in the same Generation No one has the same movement, even if they do the same Form, Applications is different, too. We are Human, Principles of Movement and their Effect is more Importance, old and Ancient peoples in every Generations always changed their Movement, too, Principles not (or maybe) not changed.
Forget about yang and yin and do the silk reeling more. Then you will no longer need to ask
This is considered as close to what Chen Fake practiced.
very nice, who was his masters?
Chen Fake Beijing
really? thats very intersting then. thank you for that bit.
Is this Taiji?
Don't see much of this kind of Chen style master.
you can see Er Lu performed by Lei Mu Ni at th-cam.com/video/CPYtoFllHy8/w-d-xo.html same wonderfull style
Tian Xiu Chen please!!! :-)
LOL Good answer!!
脚有根、身有力點。
watching taiji is like watching peking opera. i just don't get it.
you can see Er Lu performed by Lei Mu Ni at th-cam.com/video/CPYtoFllHy8/w-d-xo.html same wonderfull style
脚有根、身有力點。