Thanks. I picked up the Evolution yesterday. I have had ultra cheap table saws in the past and have a very tired Triton workstation that has not been satisfactory. Appreciating your videos, thanks. Accessories to be built.
Ah, and one more thing - if you cut an angle cut, it will always add up to 90 degrees if you take both left and right piece. Try cutting two boards, take only the working pieces and see if you get a 90 deg angle this way :)
The Einhell saw looks identical to the Titan TTB763TAS I bought from Screwfix a few years ago. That rip fence renders it practically unusable for anything where accuracy is even slightly important. Mine is under my workbench at the moment, unused for at least a year. Coincidentally, the Evolution Rage 5S is the replacement saw I've got my eye on, so this video was perfect for me. Thanks!
Yes the Einhell is just a type of saws used by many makes. Rage 5 is a very good saw when you consider the price tag. Not perfect but for the money it's quite a good deal
Thanks for this review. I have been looking for a decent budget table saw and actually already decided to go with the evolution. Your video only confirmed my thoughts. I will be following your channel from now on. I do know little about wood working but I am building my own amateur workshop now. Thanks YT for bringing this vid in the recommendations I have to admit. Dobra robota. Tak trzymaj. Pozdro.
Hi Tom hope you are doing OK I know this video is 6 yeas old but my question to you is I have the evolution rage 5s and want to know what's the biggest kerf blade I could put on my saw .
The Scheppach HS105S seems on paper to be a well designed table saw (for woodwork only). An in-depth comparison with the Evolution would make a fascinating topic. The HS105 has a metal insert plate which if it fits flush should support cuts better straight out of the box also the fence looks similar to the Rage. It should cut wood faster because the blade speed is optimised for wood cutting also I think the blades are STD 30mm centre hole dia. Great videos and presentation. Thanks
@@saturnfrak how is the scheppach working for you ? I'm currently planing on selling my einhel (which i got 2 months ago) and getting a scheppach. The evolution cost x2 than the scheppach in my country, so if the hs105 is not worth ut, i'll wait for a promo on the evolution ...
In my experience budget equipment can be ok, but super-budget is usually a waste of money. This goes for workshop tools, household appliances, musical instruments, etc.
Tomasz I have recently bought the Rage 5s. Like you I think for the money you get a pretty decent and useful package. As I don’t really need to cut metal I swapped out the blade it came with for the dedicated wood one. Cuts nice and clean and is a joy to use once set up and dialled in. Love your vids............Keep up the good work
im looking at buying this saw and its like 500euro in ireland for it.i like all the features i see so far, how easy is it to swap blades ? and what is the top made of ?
Lenny Rossa Woodies Ir online 199 Euros right now (just checked) so get on it. Saw is great and blade easy to change out. Metal base and arms etc and plastic knobs etc. BARGAIN at 199 euros !
Lenny Rossa Apologies Lenny I typed Rage 5s in...........and should have checked. Just rechecked and Farnell Ire do it for 249.99 Euros and that is 100% the Rage 5s (as just double double checked)
I am on a very tight budget and managed to get a Lumberjack version of your Einhell. With the expansion wings levelled you can locate your fence guide all the way to the right, giving you just over 450mm width to cut. The fence has been upgraded too, it now hooks over the back of the table and is solid when the cam lever is engaged. I got mine for £110 so less than half the price of the Evolution. For the amount of work I do with it as a hobbyist it works well enough. There is one big problem if you are working with small pieces of wood, the plastic blade insert is crap, it flexes under any pressure. Unfortunately making a new one from some nice firm wood, isn't that straight forward, as there is some framework directly under the insert, so making a new one is a bit more involved. The mitre gauge is rubbish out of the box, but making a new runner for the slot turns it into a functional tool. If money were less of an issue, I'd have gone for a better saw, like the Evolution, but for £90-£125 for the different versions of the budget saw and a bit of work, you get a functional saw that can produce some nice cuts.
That's good to know they made some improvements. For me the biggest problem was the fence as it made it inaccurate and dangerous. So I think for the money you made a good purchase 👍
Great video. I was going to buy the super budget but after this video I bought the Evolution Rage 5S and so pleased that I did. Not perfect but at the price is perfect for what I need. Thanks!
My dream too! Ive actually been looking at getting a tracksaw rather than a table saw as I have a smaller workshop than yourself. Plus it would be more maneuverable
Irish Woodworker Oh man even smaller than mine? Tracksaw could be a good solution, let me know what make will you go for. Not got one myself so it would be interesting to find out bit more about them.
Thanks so much after watching your videos on this brand of tablesaw I've made my mind up and purchased one today I pick it up tomorrow;) I will look back on the unboxing video you did ....thanks man
so i have recently bought one of the einhell table saws, and yes the miter guage is a piece of sh*t but over all i am plesently suprised with it, the fence on my machine was surprisingly quite sturdy and i have managed to make quite a few pices of accurate joinery on it, i think that most table saws have the potential to be great its just about how much work you are willing to put into it to make it a good machine, like i said i have made some incredible things with my einhell saw as i have put in the time to make it a usable machine
Cześć Tomasz! As for a cheap saw with a sliding table, the only one that I know is Zipper FKS250. It's super cheap, the table is made of an aluminium extrusion, not cast aluminium but it might be worth considering if you are really on a budget. I have tested lots of different table saws and from what I can see, there is a big gap between very cheap and not accurate saws and professional saws. The best middle-range saw that I could find is Bosch Professional GTS 10J (and sligtly better 10XC with a sliding table). Anything better than this at least 3 times the price. For me, the must have features are: - cast aluminium (or better iron) table - blade tilting on trunnions or any other system that ensures that it's tilt axis is on the table. This way you can have one zero-clearance insert for all angles and also all measurements using the scale for the fence valid no matter the angle of the cut. - tracks parallel to the blade (and ability to fine-tune the blade) - this is crucial - table saw sled is the only way to make crosscuts - I wouldn't rely on a miter gauge, even with a sliding table. everything else is optional - you can easily extend the capacity of the saw by building a bigger table around it etc.
Thanks so much for the comparison between these two saws. Unfortunately, I happened to buy an einheill. But after looking at this comparison, I have concluded that it is an Evolution that I want. But unfortunately after researching that saw here in Sweden, I was really disappointed. the price for this saw here in Sweden is about 752 pounds and above. And according to you "Casual DIY" this saw should cost around £250. But where can I find this saw for that price? And can I from sweden by it, a lot of stors in uk are not shiping utside of uk.
I had the misfortune of using the Einhell table saw for a previous employer. I have to say it was possibly the worst most inaccurate piece of junk I've ever used. A couple of things not mentioned were the lack of soft start: literally feels like you're taking your life into your hands whenever you press that green button, and secondly the ridiculously flimsy insert plate which bends downward as you pass over it. Steer clear of ANYTHING Einhell, I think they make their tools for comedy value rather than practicality. Plans are probably drawn up in crayon.
Blimey, as a newcomer to power tools and heavy equipment, this sounds terrifying... Power tools are dangerous enough in the right hands, without them being poorly designed in the way you've described. There should be some kind of standard requirement for them to even be sold in this country given the potential for injury.
I have the Einhell saw and I have had it about 3 yrs it works for me but I agree with your demos and I would like the rage 5, Great video you are so watchable you should be on TV mate
I have the Einhell saw, and it is truly dreadful... the fence is a sloppy as hell, and the flimsy plastic lever that 'locks' it in place broke off after a couple of months. the sliding mitre is as useful as a chocolate teapot, it is as portable as a dead elephant, and i wish i had never bought it... i am really liking your review on the Evolution, and you have convinced me to save up to buy one to replace the einhell beast
Great video, your test for 45° isn't correct, you need to cut two 45° put them together and then measure it, just putting the one cut against itself will always make 90°, i.e. if the blade was at 44° the other side of the cut would be at 46° and together you still get 90°, :-)
You are wrong about max cutting width of the einhell ts 2025, you can offset the fence clamping rail to increase the cutting width with the fence it's just the scale is out if you do so
Nice review mate, for the type of table saw you’re comparing I’d go for a Metabo, Dewalt or Bosch because they cost a bit more but no tears when you get them home & they do what you want them to, cheers brother 🍺🔨👍
Tomasz, thank you for a brilliantly comprehensive assessment of these saws. It was so enlightening for a novice like myself. Also, may I compliment your English? It is excellent.
The Evolution Rage S is £191 in Machine mart and if you look now there is a discount 10% off. My interest in the evolution is that it I have access to secondhand timber with embedded nails and it will handle that. I understand it does have a guard problem. Thanks for the good review.
icespeckledhens Hi, that's a very good price for this saw, very good deal. And yes it's perfect for anyone who works with reclaimed wood as you never know what sits in side - that's a very good point, thank you.
Casual DIY : I saw that price and I hesitated over it but decided to stay with Machine Mart. Amazon do not pay fair taxes like other companies do and I understand do not treat staff well, they undercut rivals and sell below cost price. If they succeed, there will not be shops like Axminster, Machine Mart which we can walk around and actually see the product, talk to staff, before we buy. If after sales help is needed I think I would do better with a shop with real people than talking to computer. That's my view anyway.
Hi Tomasz i will be buying a evolution rage 5s soon but i have been looking at a mitre fence with built in box joint jig for £80 from banggood do you think it will fit the rage 5s still loving the channel keep the good work up .
Nice video 😀👍🏻, i have the evolution and im happy with it. If i were to change i would go for a battery operated one but not in the near future. Thank you
Got an Evolution 2 days ago. Wish I'd watched the assembly video. :-) Took me almost an hour to assemble and I have 2 bolts left over as some holes did not line up. Saw seems to work well.
This Evolution table looks very similar to a Contractor's table made by Ridgid which is also a nice table. Another nice feature about these types of tables with the extension wings is that you can use the void between the table part and the wing to set up a temporary router table. I have seen many tutorials by other woodworkers who are short on space and don't really want a dedicated router table. They just measure the empty space and cut MDF material to fit. They then attach it with brackets to the underside of the table. Some even use the fence as their router fence. Pretty cool. You may have already done this, but I haven't gone through all of your videos yet. Great review on the Evolution, nice upgrade.
Hi I am about to buy this rage saw - you convinced me BUT just one thing perhaps you can help me with ---- did you find the blade cuts really well? TCT. The bore hole size is not very common so replacing it might be an issue?
That's one of the downsides of Evolution saws. They are lower RPMS hence you can only use Evolution blades unfortunately. They are not bad but not the top of the range. You can get an Evolution wood dedicated blade, but they are only slightly better than the multi blade.
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka there is a slight gap between the fence and the table about 2mm so depends how you make your cut it could be problematic. The saw is able to make that type of cuts just need to adjust the fence.
@@CasualDIY I am just considering it it worth it, perhaps spend a little more, dont mind making jigs etc but dont want any chip outs, seems evolution have you by the balls - bore of 25.4 and low speed . I have a mitre saw by evolution that is okay been good up to now
I also have both of these saws, and I use the the Einhell saw with jigs only, as I found the insert plate was too flexible and giving me parallelograms.
When I was using the Einhell saw, cutting 45 degrees or even straight cross cuts you should use a mitre gauge or a sled. The way I have done it it's dangerous but still safer that using the wobbly mitre gauge that this saw came with. The board you are ripping never be a rectangle where the shorter side is on the fence. This will lead to a kickback and is very dangerous.
@@CasualDIY basically make sure the fence is no where near the bit of wood coming off like you did when cutting with the evolution? , I will order the evolution...been looking for week s which one to buy, it's impossible really to buy one for less than 250 pounds unless you want rubbish.
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka The einhell saw. But yes always make sure the fence will not bind with the pice of wood causing it to twist between the fence and the blade
IRMA LOPEZ Most saws will cut through acrylic. The advantage of Evolution saws are the multi purpose blades. If it can cut through wood and metal I'm pretty sure it will do a good job with acrylic.
I bought an Einhell table saw a couple of months ago and totally agree with evrything discribed in this ideo.. The table is extremely cheap to te feel, the fence is a total joke ad its so loud,, I wished that I did more research rather than just buying at a price point.. save up a couple more months and get a decent table or youll be throwing away your money... YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD lol
Excellent presentation. I have a "Workzone" (Aldi) which is a rebranded, Einhell, as I found out recently, when requiring a on off switch. But the one I have, the fence can move onto the side extensions. Also it's adjustable at point it fastens to the clamping mechanism. I have seen video of how to adjust the blade, using the two screws at the back of the blade. Your place is as messy as mine, it's nice to see some clutter, not the vast expanse of space you see else where. Best regards Geoff Maddison UK.
i have your einhel saw but different color with different badge smack on it. the thing is the carbide blade it comes with it makes me cringe i was trying to rpi a maple board, and i only seen smoke from the wood nothing more else what kind of blade do you use in it? also i belive replacing that black insert around the blade for something stiffer would make it much bore accurate i also figured out if i don't care for the scale i can move the fence locking scale to the side, or even attach it on the extension wing
kokodin I usually buy better blades straight away. The ones that any machine comes with are usually not the best quality. But Evolution saws are bit different in that field as they all come with the multi blade. I think it's ok but a fully dedicated wood cutting blade may give you better results.
Great comparison! Thank you for that! On the Evolution, does the blade "wiggle" sideways or would you say it's quite firm? I am asking because with the evolution Rage 2 i am unable to make precise cuts on Square tubes of aluminum (60x60mm with 2mm wall); when it gets to the lower face/wall, the blade starts to deviate to the right.. :/ I would much appreciate your feedback on this or anyone's who has some experience regarding this. Tks in advance! Cheers.
Hi and thank you. On my saw I got no wiggle sideways. But if you got that I would not be using your saw. This could be dangerous. But I will tell you something that may help. Take the blade off and check if it's not bent. I would actually put another blade on preferably a new one if you got a spare. Had something similar with my old table saw. The blade seemed straight even with a straight edge but when I placed it on a straight mdf board I could see it was just slightly bent. And when I put a new blade all was fine. So this may help you. I would also check if the engine came bit loose, check the securing bolts underneath. Please let me know how you get on.
For big pieces you use a circular saw, diy guide for it and isolation foam board to put the piece on. You dont need a super wide table saw for this. Using Einhell for 2 years and never thought to mod the rip fence to full lenght not to mention there are videos of people making rip fence longer in width. Its more like how my unmodified 2 year old Einhell saw compares to my new Evolution saw.
I compared how a normal saw performs, modifying a Ford car will not make it a BMW. Further more the time and effort and materials you spend on modifications may mean that the relative cost of modifing a cheap saw will be the same or grater of the more expensive and better saw out of the box.
Most mods for table saws are actually made by scrap pieces you can find in your workshop with tools you should already own. You might need to buy few metal parts, but it wont cost you much. Greek guy here on YT made a full lenght rip fence just out of scrap wood he already had on very same Einhell saw.
@@michaelfairchild and that's cool 👍 I'm just saying the comparison is between two saws as they are in an original state. By you comment you are just confirming how much wrong there is with the Einhell saw, as to use it safely and correctly you need all those modifications.
Thank you for informative advice. Can you please advice me if I still need to purchase a mitre saw if i hava a table saw? Most jobs i need is resodential and cover 45/90 degrees cuts. Cheers
Hi, it would be the easiest and safest if you had both. But table saw can cut both as well and you can make jigs to allow safe way of cutting on a table saw
Great review.. I'm using the workzone table 2018 version.. ain't too bad.. if I get extra money I'd definitely buy the rage 5... For partiality if Einhell wanna send me their latest table saw I'll give them a review 😃😃
Jigsey's Workshop lol wouldn't risk with the Einhell table saw. Although got a impact screwdriver and a drill from Einhell and I'm quite happy with them:)
Great video, I've got a similar saw (cheap screwfix Scheppach) and I wish I had seen this video two years ago when I got it! A few questions for you... - What is the dust extraction like on the Evolution (it's a joke on the cheap saw) - How loud is the Evolution compared to the Einhell - What is the tabletop of the Evolution made of (looks like thick aluminium rather than the pressed aluminium of the einhell) - Have you had any problems with the Evolution now you've been regularly using it? - Where did you get your cool hoodie from? Thanks for that, keep going and you'll get there!
Thank you for your comment :) The dust extraction is average, a lot better that on the Einhell but it's definitely not top class. It's actually quite compared to Einhell and in general The table is a thick aluminium underneath you can see the structure that helps to make the table solid and flat. So far so good, had no issues with the saw. To be honest I think it's great for my DIY needs. Like all Evolution tools you can set it up and fine tune it to get really good results. And the hoodie well I work on tight budget so it's from Aldi :)
Had a Ryobi saw about 360 NZD - a waste of coin, similar to your old Einhell design wise, too light and moved when cutting larger wood, needed a bucket full of concrete on each leg, been looking at the Evolution saw here in Aussie, looks good and as good as the dewalt.wrt features
Hi Thomaz, one important question please. What are the noise comparisons when cutting the same wood and when idling over. Just do it in a general comparison. Many thanks.
Galland 34 Hi, that's a good question, they are very similar, I have not found one to be louder then the other. The Rage 5s may be bit quieter when cutting but I think that's down to a brand new blade and the wood just goes ever so easy through the blade.
would be useful to compare how compact they both are when stored. many people on a budget also have a space budget (i certainly do), so tools also need to be stored neatly. great video though
Thank you. Well I can tell you now, the Einhell as you seen that's how compact it is. The Evolution actually folds away and saves a lot of space despite the fact it's a very big saw.
Look at the Makita MLT100 (400 euro) it has a sliding table that actually travels twice as much as the evolution one. These cheaper table saws come with their shortcomings though.
Nice video. Lots of information there. I'm in the market for my first table saw and your review gave me ideas on what to look for. I don't want to over buy and I don't want junk. By the way, it's a better video than I could or ever could do, but that background beat was so very distracting to me - Couldn't finish, your otherwise, very informative review.
Ha ha I had to laugh.I was making a cup of coffee and in the background I heard the words, "Hi my name is Thomas!" I knew who it was and I'm watching a table saw video again.
Thanks for your answer, but can you give me more específicos options that could be affordable to buy, I need a clean cut for acrylics but I don't have a clue on the machines
IRMA LOPEZ I have to say I'm not a specialist in this field. I have cut acrylic with my bandsaw and the rage 5s table saw. Both gave me very good and clean cuts. But I would recommend you watch the this video for more information and options: th-cam.com/video/8RoAbDcFMrg/w-d-xo.html
Can you please send me a template of the evolution table saw riving knife. I would like to make one cause I bought my table saw used without the riving knife..
The Evolution is 500 quid. The Einhell is 135 quid. You are comparing apples and oranges here ! You can buy spare motors for the Einhell, but can you get spares for the Evolution?
Have you seem when the video was published? When I was recording the video the Rage 5s could be bought for £230 on offer and the Einhell was £130. So yes the video is correct for when it was made.
Hi Tom, I just bought the Rage5-S and I'm waiting for it right now. I've read that someone complained about the "engraved" Evolution name on the surface of the table, as sometimes it catches on the small work pieces or on the back "tooth" of the push stick. Someone filled it with all sorts of materials: hot glue (no, no), wood glue+sawdust, resin, metallic filler, etc. Did you find this problem? Any suggestion? I wouldn't fill it with something too hard to level or be forced to level so hard to scratch the plan.
Hi, never had issues with that. To be honest this is the first time in hearing about it. Maybe epoxy would be the best solution but either way filling that void would be dangerous as if the filling comes off and catches your work piece then you can imagine what's gonna happen.
Hi, just seen the latest Aldi advert. They have changed the brand name, of their saw, but it has some of the characteristics of the first saw you demonstrated, you should take a look at it. Regards Geoff Maddison.
Yep I did find that and i was wondering if my google-fu was failing me. Still it's a really good price for what you get. I was wondering what are your opinions on the saw after a month since you published the video. I'm looking at compact saws like this, dewalt, makita and bosch. the prices and features are so different that it's taking quite a bit of time to come up with a decision XD. Videos like yours help a lot to that regards so, again, THANKS A BUNCH!
Marco Baldi I'm glad that my video is helping a bit:) well I had no issues with it so far. Had a recent project where I had to cut large sheets of 18mm mdf and it was a breeze. Really happy with this saw. Obviously if I had £1000 to spend I would get a different saw but for the money I think this is a very good saw.
Anyone thinking of buying a Einhell table saw....please DON'T you'll be wasting your money....nothing in the bloody thing works the way it should...cuts are not accurate and the fence...you might aswel use a plastic ruler, even the main section of table of the saw is not flat Spend a bit more and buy something else, believe me it will be money well spent....DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AS ME
@Kamils Orhan "German make" was the main reason why i went ahead and brought this table saw...thinking it was going to be of the highest standard because it was German manufactured....i guess i was wrong
Hi I got my Evo Rage 5s a few days ago. I noticed the fence is not exactly parallel to the sawblade.Can you tell me how I can adjust the fence so its perfectly paralel to the sawblade? Thanks in advance.
Jos van Hoof Hi, the fence has got two bolts, you need to loosen them and set up the fence. Hope this helps. My fence was set up perfectly from the box, lucky I guess :)
Hi, I guess I have to tighten the fence, loosen the bolts, adjust the fence and then tghten the bolts again? Is this the right way to adjust the fence?
I must admit, I’ve never been able to get the fence parallel. As far as I can tell it is warped resulting in all of my cuts wandering away from the fence. Can’t say I’m overly impressed with the saw so far.
sam wolloms Thank you kindly, I'm glad you liked it. I use Premier Pro for my video editing, it's bit pricey tho as you have to pay monthly subscription.
I saw your video and was impressed so went looking for this one ... But found the fury 5s instead of the rage5s ... It looks great too but I can't figure out the differences between the two ... Any ideas ?
Alas I live in the Netherlands and I am looking for a small machine for small furniture and stuff like that and the sliding miter really caught my eye as a good feature
Might be a little late but the main difference between those two is the price range and quality. Evolution sells two branches with the Rage- series for "professionals" and the Fury- series for the DIY- party. As for the tablesaws the differences are in the feuatures: - The Fury doesnt have a sliding table - If you want to extend the table, you have to rely on those wobbly folding wings (just like the Einhell in the video) - You wont get the folding table. Instead the saw has the same legs attached to as the Einhell - Less Power 1800W for the Evo against 1500W for the Fury Asides from that, the cheaper saw might have some parts made out auf plastic, which are made from aluminum in the more expensive model. (Dont know that for sure, but its very common)
The Einhell also has a twin made by Evolution called the 'Fury', or to be more precise, a factory in China that makes the same table saw. Why did you keep the Einhell for a couple of years before Evolution bought your soul? Would have been more interesting hearing about your experiences with the cheap one..
Hi, I kept the Einhell as I couldn't afford anything else. The Evolution, Eithell, and all the other brands have their factories in Chaina or India. I think I gave my thoughts and experience with the Einhell saw quite well in this video. If I had a choice I wouldn't get it in the first place. Just waited and put bit more money away for a better saw.
Hi Tomasz I have just subscribed having already watched a few of your posts, I like you video's because they are easy to watch and straight to the point!! I have the Evolution down for a table saw upgrade when I can afford it I do a bit of woodworking and currently own a Parkside (Lidl) saw which has been OK and I would say is marginally better than the Einhell but any adjustment is a nightmare and the biggest problem is the blade is not in line with the mitre slots!! I can however make do at the moment and would probably get a bandsaw as my next machine in my workshop/garage.. PS. I'm Welsh LOL.
Hehe welcome to my small community 😁 I have to say the Rage 5s was a game changer for me. The only downside to all Evolution saws is that they work with lower RPMS which means you can't really use any other blades than the ones from Evolution. The blades are ok but not perfect, and different jobs may require different blades. I'm still searching for blades that would be suitable for Evolution saws but still not found any 🤔 P.s. I love Wales👍 if I had a job there I would move there 😁
@@CasualDIY Hi Tomasz I have decided to get one of these for Christmas.. For a blade option you should take a look at this! www.amazon.co.uk/Saxton-Circular-Blade-255mm-Evolution/dp/B079YKPQS3/ref=pd_bxgy_60_3/260-6330756-2059740?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B079YKPQS3&pd_rd_r=b56ab190-6707-4e1f-b524-16d6da17b80c&pd_rd_w=eTOUs&pd_rd_wg=YNHWK&pf_rd_p=7a9d3b22-47b7-4932-be38-57f4219c3325&pf_rd_r=FTYN2DV5FNMS01EQTXVF&psc=1&refRID=FTYN2DV5FNMS01EQTXVF
. . . so where is the point in comparing the Einhell (EUR 108,00) with the Evolution (EUR 358,00) while the Evolution is more than 3 times as much . . . (Prices selected where I live)
well done...you've got the right style to put these review videos across. Are you still using the Rage5-s in you DIY projects? If so how about a video on blade alignment with this particular saw...go on, you know you can do it !!!
I was about to get my first table saw(i was looking cheap table saws). After watching your video, i have ordered evolution rage 5 as it really has many features that you can not find at even more expensive table saws. Anyway, i would like to ask you if you can use the diamond blade that you show at another video, at rage 5 s. Thanks.
PIT PETER Hi and thank you for your comment. There is nothing stopping you from putting the diamond blade in a table saw but I wouldn't recomend it. Don't think that would be safe. The sliding mitre saw seems to be the designated tool for that type of blades. You got more control over your cut and there won't be any kickback. So in my personal opinion I wouldn't use the diamond blade on a table saw. It's perfect for a mitre saw tho
The more expensive does not have a fence that goes right across which makes also inferior to the evolution. I bought a German Bayer table saw which is almost same and has all the same features as the evolution
they cause more problems, the one I had with the Einhell was stopping the material from going through, same on my Evo Rage 5S, as they are not see through you can see what is happening on the cut line, and I usually use my sled so its a nightmare to constantly take it on and off... Plus personal preference.
Comparing a table saw that multiple times more than the other, is not a good comparison, but does inform you why you should buy the more expensive model.
I class the Rage 5S as budget saw. When I was making the video years ago. You could pick it up for £230 and the Einhell for £150 so it wasn't a multiple price difference 👍
. . . so where is the point in comparing the Einhell (EUR 108,00) with the Evolution (EUR 358,00) while the Evolution is more than 3 times as much . . . (Prices selected where I live)
They are still budget saws. For Dewalt, Bosch etc are at least twice the price of the Evolution. In UK the Einhell is about £110 and Evolution £210. The purpose of this video is to show that it's worth spending a little extra to get a much better and safer tool. The super budget saws in my eyes are just dangerous.
@@cashuma5010 if I had the cash I would then compare the Rage 5s to let's say Dewalt as that's a very popular saw but at the minute I don't have the funds to buy a Dewalt saw or even rent it 🤔
@Cashuma I do see the point as if I am looking for a cheap tool I may be tempted to go for the Einhell when it turns out it's better to spend the extra 100 for the Evolution - but maybe I don't need to spend an extra 300 for a DeWalt.
@@CasualDIY ..just order it..arrives on Friday so have the weekend to play with my new toy. ps how long have you been doing videos? You look as tho you really enjoy it, were you quite nervous at first , like it was your first job interview?
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka let me know how you get on with it :) yes mate exactly like a job interview quite stressful. I think it's been just over 2 years now 😁
Hi Thomasz just subscribed very good review of evolution rage 5 s feel it's got to be a better buy than paying double for Bosch or Dewalt . Thanks again
really good informative review thank you for posting I will probably go and buy an evolution based on this review . The only criticism that I would make is that the background music is far to loud and intrusive. it really annoys and wears you down after a while as the viewer tries to concentrate on what you are saying.
If you are interested in the Evolution Rage 5S I have made an unboxing and assembly video link below:
th-cam.com/video/22ieVD8fwGU/w-d-xo.html
Where did you buy the rage 5?
@@jamesgallagher3317 had it from Evolution direct
Thanks. I picked up the Evolution yesterday. I have had ultra cheap table saws in the past and have a very tired Triton workstation that has not been satisfactory. Appreciating your videos, thanks. Accessories to be built.
Thank you kindly. Hope it will serve you well
Ah, and one more thing - if you cut an angle cut, it will always add up to 90 degrees if you take both left and right piece. Try cutting two boards, take only the working pieces and see if you get a 90 deg angle this way :)
The Einhell saw looks identical to the Titan TTB763TAS I bought from Screwfix a few years ago. That rip fence renders it practically unusable for anything where accuracy is even slightly important. Mine is under my workbench at the moment, unused for at least a year. Coincidentally, the Evolution Rage 5S is the replacement saw I've got my eye on, so this video was perfect for me. Thanks!
Yes the Einhell is just a type of saws used by many makes. Rage 5 is a very good saw when you consider the price tag. Not perfect but for the money it's quite a good deal
One thing I do like about the Einhel, is that you can adjust the length of the fence, alongside the blade.
Thanks for this review. I have been looking for a decent budget table saw and actually already decided to go with the evolution. Your video only confirmed my thoughts.
I will be following your channel from now on. I do know little about wood working but I am building my own amateur workshop now.
Thanks YT for bringing this vid in the recommendations I have to admit.
Dobra robota. Tak trzymaj. Pozdro.
Dzieki wielkie i witam na kanale 😁
Hi Tom hope you are doing OK
I know this video is 6 yeas old but my question to you is I have the evolution rage 5s and want to know what's the biggest kerf blade I could put on my saw .
Hmm are you thinking of putting grooving blade? Personally I only used max 3mm kerf blade on my Rage but I think 6mm grooving blade should be OK.
Thanks Tom that's good news 6mm would work well for me will be using this with a cross cut sled for cutting box joints .👍👍
An honest review that helped me spend an extra 100£ but seems to be worth it.
Thank you👍 hope your new saw will serve you well
+1 :D
The Scheppach HS105S seems on paper to be a well designed table saw (for woodwork only). An in-depth comparison with the Evolution would make a fascinating topic. The HS105 has a metal insert plate which if it fits flush should support cuts better straight out of the box also the fence looks similar to the Rage. It should cut wood faster because the blade speed is optimised for wood cutting also I think the blades are STD 30mm centre hole dia. Great videos and presentation. Thanks
Got HS105 yesterday, going to test it today
There're not many reviews on it (especially in English) hope I did the right choice :)
@@saturnfrak how is the scheppach working for you ? I'm currently planing on selling my einhel (which i got 2 months ago) and getting a scheppach. The evolution cost x2 than the scheppach in my country, so if the hs105 is not worth ut, i'll wait for a promo on the evolution ...
In my experience budget equipment can be ok, but super-budget is usually a waste of money. This goes for workshop tools, household appliances, musical instruments, etc.
Yes in most cases that's absolutely correct.
Tomasz I have recently bought the Rage 5s. Like you I think for the money you get a pretty decent and useful package. As I don’t really need to cut metal I swapped out the blade it came with for the dedicated wood one. Cuts nice and clean and is a joy to use once set up and dialled in. Love your vids............Keep up the good work
Thanks mate👍 glad you like the saw. I have to say it's not failed me yet and there's so many cool features it comes with.
im looking at buying this saw and its like 500euro in ireland for it.i like all the features i see so far, how easy is it to swap blades ? and what is the top made of ?
Lenny Rossa Woodies Ir online 199 Euros right now (just checked) so get on it. Saw is great and blade easy to change out. Metal base and arms etc and plastic knobs etc. BARGAIN at 199 euros !
@@LockStoppageSandwich woodies is the green one,i was looking at that,doesnt have slide part etc
Lenny Rossa Apologies Lenny I typed Rage 5s in...........and should have checked. Just rechecked and Farnell Ire do it for 249.99 Euros and that is 100% the Rage 5s (as just double double checked)
Which one is better? I want to buy Lathe machine. I confused on choice of Einhell and Scheppac one? Which one do you prefer to buy?
Sorry don't have a lathe so can't really recommend anything.
I am on a very tight budget and managed to get a Lumberjack version of your Einhell. With the expansion wings levelled you can locate your fence guide all the way to the right, giving you just over 450mm width to cut. The fence has been upgraded too, it now hooks over the back of the table and is solid when the cam lever is engaged. I got mine for £110 so less than half the price of the Evolution. For the amount of work I do with it as a hobbyist it works well enough. There is one big problem if you are working with small pieces of wood, the plastic blade insert is crap, it flexes under any pressure. Unfortunately making a new one from some nice firm wood, isn't that straight forward, as there is some framework directly under the insert, so making a new one is a bit more involved.
The mitre gauge is rubbish out of the box, but making a new runner for the slot turns it into a functional tool.
If money were less of an issue, I'd have gone for a better saw, like the Evolution, but for £90-£125 for the different versions of the budget saw and a bit of work, you get a functional saw that can produce some nice cuts.
That's good to know they made some improvements. For me the biggest problem was the fence as it made it inaccurate and dangerous. So I think for the money you made a good purchase 👍
Really, really useful comparison
Thanks
Great video. I was going to buy the super budget but after this video I bought the Evolution Rage 5S and so pleased that I did. Not perfect but at the price is perfect for what I need. Thanks!
Glad that I was able to help :)
Very pleased with my Evo Rage 5-S, purchased partly on the back of your unboxing and review. Keep up the good work!
Gareth Sharp Cheers mate, so far I love the saw. But it would be interesting to check out the top range saws to get the comparison.
I see a band saw behind you. Would you recommend a bigger one for a small shop or this will do?
Depends what you want to do or are planning to do in the future. At this point I would go for a bigger one to be honest
My dream too! Ive actually been looking at getting a tracksaw rather than a table saw as I have a smaller workshop than yourself. Plus it would be more maneuverable
Irish Woodworker Oh man even smaller than mine? Tracksaw could be a good solution, let me know what make will you go for. Not got one myself so it would be interesting to find out bit more about them.
Dzięki Tomek za film, bo właśnie szukam table saw do garażu. Subscribed!:)
Dzięki i pozdrawiam 👍
Thanks so much after watching your videos on this brand of tablesaw I've made my mind up and purchased one today I pick it up tomorrow;) I will look back on the unboxing video you did ....thanks man
I'm glad I was able to help 👍
so i have recently bought one of the einhell table saws, and yes the miter guage is a piece of sh*t but over all i am plesently suprised with it, the fence on my machine was surprisingly quite sturdy and i have managed to make quite a few pices of accurate joinery on it, i think that most table saws have the potential to be great its just about how much work you are willing to put into it to make it a good machine, like i said i have made some incredible things with my einhell saw as i have put in the time to make it a usable machine
Hello
Motor performance wise, which do you prefer? To be used on a diy table
Thanks
Rage 5s all the way. But I wish it had soft start🤔
Cześć Tomasz!
As for a cheap saw with a sliding table, the only one that I know is Zipper FKS250. It's super cheap, the table is made of an aluminium extrusion, not cast aluminium but it might be worth considering if you are really on a budget.
I have tested lots of different table saws and from what I can see, there is a big gap between very cheap and not accurate saws and professional saws. The best middle-range saw that I could find is Bosch Professional GTS 10J (and sligtly better 10XC with a sliding table). Anything better than this at least 3 times the price.
For me, the must have features are:
- cast aluminium (or better iron) table
- blade tilting on trunnions or any other system that ensures that it's tilt axis is on the table. This way you can have one zero-clearance insert for all angles and also all measurements using the scale for the fence valid no matter the angle of the cut.
- tracks parallel to the blade (and ability to fine-tune the blade) - this is crucial - table saw sled is the only way to make crosscuts - I wouldn't rely on a miter gauge, even with a sliding table.
everything else is optional - you can easily extend the capacity of the saw by building a bigger table around it etc.
I was terrified when you did the crosscut on the einhell using the rip fence!!!! What the hell
Thanks so much for the comparison between these two saws. Unfortunately, I happened to buy an einheill. But after looking at this comparison, I have concluded that it is an Evolution that I want. But unfortunately after researching that saw here in Sweden, I was really disappointed. the price for this saw here in Sweden is about 752 pounds and above. And according to you "Casual DIY" this saw should cost around £250. But where can I find this saw for that price? And can I from sweden by it, a lot of stors in uk are not shiping utside of uk.
This video was made in 2018 so.... the prices were different back then
I had the misfortune of using the Einhell table saw for a previous employer. I have to say it was possibly the worst most inaccurate piece of junk I've ever used. A couple of things not mentioned were the lack of soft start: literally feels like you're taking your life into your hands whenever you press that green button, and secondly the ridiculously flimsy insert plate which bends downward as you pass over it.
Steer clear of ANYTHING Einhell, I think they make their tools for comedy value rather than practicality. Plans are probably drawn up in crayon.
their drills are really really good
@@MoroccanAnwar Really?
Blimey, as a newcomer to power tools and heavy equipment, this sounds terrifying... Power tools are dangerous enough in the right hands, without them being poorly designed in the way you've described. There should be some kind of standard requirement for them to even be sold in this country given the potential for injury.
I have the Einhell saw and I have had it about 3 yrs it works for me but I agree with your demos and I would like the rage 5, Great video you are so watchable you should be on TV mate
Dave Plumb thank you kindly :)
Thanks for a very informative video. Hated the background music though so consider not using music in future videos.
Hi and thanks for the feedback. My latest videos are improved in that field👍
Casual DIY glad to hear, because this is the only reason I wouldn’t have subscribed. Very good video
I don't understand english save me fury or einhell?
@@detchdetch6606 : neither go for rage5-s
I have the Einhell saw, and it is truly dreadful... the fence is a sloppy as hell, and the flimsy plastic lever that 'locks' it in place broke off after a couple of months. the sliding mitre is as useful as a chocolate teapot, it is as portable as a dead elephant, and i wish i had never bought it... i am really liking your review on the Evolution, and you have convinced me to save up to buy one to replace the einhell beast
Best thing I ever done mate. It's like day and night
as much as I lover trying to work a budget, there's some things it does not pay to go budget, saws is one of them.
but good and buy once.
Great video, your test for 45° isn't correct, you need to cut two 45° put them together and then measure it, just putting the one cut against itself will always make 90°, i.e. if the blade was at 44° the other side of the cut would be at 46° and together you still get 90°, :-)
That's a good point 👍
i just bought a new rage s 5 yesterday and it has not got the quick stop button. a bit disappointing to me.
For some reason not all got them 🤔
You are wrong about max cutting width of the einhell ts 2025, you can offset the fence clamping rail to increase the cutting width with the fence it's just the scale is out if you do so
Nice review mate, for the type of table saw you’re comparing I’d go for a Metabo, Dewalt or Bosch because they cost a bit more but no tears when you get them home & they do what you want them to, cheers brother 🍺🔨👍
Sumo's Projects thanks mate, yes one day I will get my hands on the top range ;) it will be interesting to see if they are actually that much better.
Tomasz, thank you for a brilliantly comprehensive assessment of these saws. It was so enlightening for a novice like myself. Also, may I compliment your English? It is excellent.
Thank you kindly my friend 😁
The Evolution Rage S is £191 in Machine mart and if you look now there is a discount 10% off.
My interest in the evolution is that it I have access to secondhand timber with embedded nails and it will handle that. I understand it does have a guard problem.
Thanks for the good review.
icespeckledhens Hi, that's a very good price for this saw, very good deal. And yes it's perfect for anyone who works with reclaimed wood as you never know what sits in side - that's a very good point, thank you.
It's the Fury 5-S that's £191. The RAGE5-S is £322 at Machine Mart
Bob Bob it's £265 on Amazon now:
amzn.to/2IYPA2V
Bob Bob Yes, I realized that later and I was going to update my post but forgot to.
When I bought the Rage I got 10% off the £322
Thanks
Casual DIY : I saw that price and I hesitated over it but decided to stay with Machine Mart. Amazon do not pay fair taxes like other companies do and I understand do not treat staff
well, they undercut rivals and sell below cost price. If they succeed, there will not be shops like Axminster, Machine Mart which we can walk around and actually see the product, talk to staff, before we buy. If after sales help is needed I think I would do better with a shop with real people than talking to computer. That's my view anyway.
Hi Tomasz i will be buying a evolution rage 5s soon but i have been looking at a mitre fence with built in box joint jig for £80 from banggood do you think it will fit the rage 5s
still loving the channel keep the good work up .
Hmm there slim chances it will fit. Evo made sure nothing fits this saw 🤣
I have the einhall..120 euros..nothing lines up but its still going strong two years later..
Draper table saws have this feature. Some are lots cheaper than Evolution, and much better built.
Awsome to know, you got any links? Would love to check them out:)
Please provide a comparable model to the Evolution and help me save money, cheers.
Nice video 😀👍🏻, i have the evolution and im happy with it. If i were to change i would go for a battery operated one but not in the near future. Thank you
Thank you for watching
The evolution Rage 5S is pretty much the same as the Einhell te-cc-2025-uf or the Einhell 4340547. That would actually be a good compare. Who is best?
Not seen that Einhell saw
Got an Evolution 2 days ago. Wish I'd watched the assembly video. :-) Took me almost an hour to assemble and I have 2 bolts left over as some holes did not line up. Saw seems to work well.
John Sadler I have to say it's not the easiest of assemblies I have done. But bit of time and patience and I managed to put it all together.
what is the use of the additionnal fence on the Rage 5s?
This Evolution table looks very similar to a Contractor's table made by Ridgid which is also a nice table. Another nice feature about these types of tables with the extension wings is that you can use the void between the table part and the wing to set up a temporary router table. I have seen many tutorials by other woodworkers who are short on space and don't really want a dedicated router table. They just measure the empty space and cut MDF material to fit. They then attach it with brackets to the underside of the table. Some even use the fence as their router fence. Pretty cool. You may have already done this, but I haven't gone through all of your videos yet. Great review on the Evolution, nice upgrade.
Hi, that is a very clever idea actually. I haven't done that yet but could be an interesting project for my viewers. Thanks for the idea👍
Hi I am about to buy this rage saw - you convinced me BUT just one thing perhaps you can help me with ---- did you find the blade cuts really well? TCT. The bore hole size is not very common so replacing it might be an issue?
That's one of the downsides of Evolution saws. They are lower RPMS hence you can only use Evolution blades unfortunately. They are not bad but not the top of the range. You can get an Evolution wood dedicated blade, but they are only slightly better than the multi blade.
@@CasualDIY do you think it will cut ply well , well enough for cabinet making? (to sell)?
sorry to bomard you with questions :), does this machine able do to thin cuts on the ripping size like 3 or 4 mm ? you think
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka there is a slight gap between the fence and the table about 2mm so depends how you make your cut it could be problematic. The saw is able to make that type of cuts just need to adjust the fence.
@@CasualDIY I am just considering it it worth it, perhaps spend a little more, dont mind making jigs etc but dont want any chip outs, seems evolution have you by the balls - bore of 25.4 and low speed . I have a mitre saw by evolution that is okay been good up to now
Great content - just what I was looking for 👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you for watching 👍
I also have both of these saws, and I use the the Einhell saw with jigs only, as I found the insert plate was too flexible and giving me parallelograms.
Hi, When you cut at 45 degrees - you said it was dangerous the way you cut it, what is the proper way please? or what is it you did wrong?
When I was using the Einhell saw, cutting 45 degrees or even straight cross cuts you should use a mitre gauge or a sled. The way I have done it it's dangerous but still safer that using the wobbly mitre gauge that this saw came with. The board you are ripping never be a rectangle where the shorter side is on the fence. This will lead to a kickback and is very dangerous.
@@CasualDIY basically make sure the fence is no where near the bit of wood coming off like you did when cutting with the evolution? , I will order the evolution...been looking for week s which one to buy, it's impossible really to buy one for less than 250 pounds unless you want rubbish.
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka The einhell saw. But yes always make sure the fence will not bind with the pice of wood causing it to twist between the fence and the blade
Tomasz it's a pleasure to watch your video. Thank you.
Krzysztof Platekd, thank you kindly
What's the best cutter machine affordable for cut acrylic?
IRMA LOPEZ Most saws will cut through acrylic. The advantage of Evolution saws are the multi purpose blades. If it can cut through wood and metal I'm pretty sure it will do a good job with acrylic.
I bought an Einhell table saw a couple of months ago and totally agree with evrything discribed in this ideo.. The table is extremely cheap to te feel, the fence is a total joke ad its so loud,, I wished that I did more research rather than just buying at a price point.. save up a couple more months and get a decent table or youll be throwing away your money... YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD lol
it's realy good job, just what I was looking for, Thank you for this video. Pozdrawiam :)
Hehe thank you for watching 👍
Excellent presentation. I have a "Workzone" (Aldi) which is a rebranded, Einhell, as I found out recently, when requiring a on off switch. But the one I have, the fence can move onto the side extensions. Also it's adjustable at point it fastens to the clamping mechanism. I have seen video of how to adjust the blade, using the two screws at the back of the blade. Your place is as messy as mine, it's nice to see some clutter, not the vast expanse of space you see else where. Best regards Geoff Maddison UK.
Thanks mate, most of the American TH-camrs garages are bigger than my house lol
i have your einhel saw but different color with different badge smack on it.
the thing is the carbide blade it comes with it makes me cringe
i was trying to rpi a maple board, and i only seen smoke from the wood nothing more else
what kind of blade do you use in it?
also i belive replacing that black insert around the blade for something stiffer would make it much bore accurate
i also figured out if i don't care for the scale i can move the fence locking scale to the side, or even attach it on the extension wing
kokodin I usually buy better blades straight away. The ones that any machine comes with are usually not the best quality. But Evolution saws are bit different in that field as they all come with the multi blade. I think it's ok but a fully dedicated wood cutting blade may give you better results.
Great comparison! Thank you for that! On the Evolution, does the blade "wiggle" sideways or would you say it's quite firm?
I am asking because with the evolution Rage 2 i am unable to make precise cuts on Square tubes of aluminum (60x60mm with 2mm wall); when it gets to the lower face/wall, the blade starts to deviate to the right.. :/
I would much appreciate your feedback on this or anyone's who has some experience regarding this.
Tks in advance! Cheers.
Hi and thank you. On my saw I got no wiggle sideways. But if you got that I would not be using your saw. This could be dangerous. But I will tell you something that may help. Take the blade off and check if it's not bent. I would actually put another blade on preferably a new one if you got a spare. Had something similar with my old table saw. The blade seemed straight even with a straight edge but when I placed it on a straight mdf board I could see it was just slightly bent. And when I put a new blade all was fine. So this may help you. I would also check if the engine came bit loose, check the securing bolts underneath. Please let me know how you get on.
What does the added fence do on the evolution.
I mainly use it with the mitre gauge 👍
Can you tell me where to get this saw for that price please ?
Cheers
Well that video was made several years ago, so probably nowhere. Did you try Amazon or FFX?
@@CasualDIY
Cheers pal , I noticed that after id posted the comment, I have one now £260
Not bad when I see them for £350
@@gatti493 that's very good price 👍
brilliant first class review, has helped me make my mind up thank you John
Thank you, glad you liked it 👍
For big pieces you use a circular saw, diy guide for it and isolation foam board to put the piece on. You dont need a super wide table saw for this. Using Einhell for 2 years and never thought to mod the rip fence to full lenght not to mention there are videos of people making rip fence longer in width. Its more like how my unmodified 2 year old Einhell saw compares to my new Evolution saw.
I compared how a normal saw performs, modifying a Ford car will not make it a BMW. Further more the time and effort and materials you spend on modifications may mean that the relative cost of modifing a cheap saw will be the same or grater of the more expensive and better saw out of the box.
Most mods for table saws are actually made by scrap pieces you can find in your workshop with tools you should already own. You might need to buy few metal parts, but it wont cost you much. Greek guy here on YT made a full lenght rip fence just out of scrap wood he already had on very same Einhell saw.
@@michaelfairchild and that's cool 👍 I'm just saying the comparison is between two saws as they are in an original state. By you comment you are just confirming how much wrong there is with the Einhell saw, as to use it safely and correctly you need all those modifications.
Hi man, great video. I was actually looking for a saw to buy and your review was very helpful!
Hi and thanks.
Thank you for informative advice.
Can you please advice me if I still need to purchase a mitre saw if i hava a table saw?
Most jobs i need is resodential and cover 45/90 degrees cuts.
Cheers
Hi, it would be the easiest and safest if you had both. But table saw can cut both as well and you can make jigs to allow safe way of cutting on a table saw
super video, jeśli kiedyś będę planował zakup takiej to na pewno będzie to ten model ( lepszy).
Dziękuję serdecznie :)
Great review.. I'm using the workzone table 2018 version.. ain't too bad.. if I get extra money I'd definitely buy the rage 5... For partiality if Einhell wanna send me their latest table saw I'll give them a review 😃😃
Jigsey's Workshop lol wouldn't risk with the Einhell table saw. Although got a impact screwdriver and a drill from Einhell and I'm quite happy with them:)
Great video, I've got a similar saw (cheap screwfix Scheppach) and I wish I had seen this video two years ago when I got it! A few questions for you...
- What is the dust extraction like on the Evolution (it's a joke on the cheap saw)
- How loud is the Evolution compared to the Einhell
- What is the tabletop of the Evolution made of (looks like thick aluminium rather than the pressed aluminium of the einhell)
- Have you had any problems with the Evolution now you've been regularly using it?
- Where did you get your cool hoodie from?
Thanks for that, keep going and you'll get there!
Thank you for your comment :)
The dust extraction is average, a lot better that on the Einhell but it's definitely not top class.
It's actually quite compared to Einhell and in general The table is a thick aluminium underneath you can see the structure that helps to make the table solid and flat. So far so good, had no issues with the saw. To be honest I think it's great for my DIY needs. Like all Evolution tools you can set it up and fine tune it to get really good results.
And the hoodie well I work on tight budget so it's from Aldi :)
Had a Ryobi saw about 360 NZD - a waste of coin, similar to your old Einhell design wise, too light and moved when cutting larger wood, needed a bucket full of concrete on each leg, been looking at the Evolution saw here in Aussie, looks good and as good as the dewalt.wrt features
With the Evolution for what you pay it's a really decent saw with nice features. Sure not perfect but far better than any cheapo saws out there.
Hi Thomaz, one important question please. What are the noise comparisons when cutting the same wood and when idling over. Just do it in a general comparison. Many thanks.
Galland 34 Hi, that's a good question, they are very similar, I have not found one to be louder then the other. The Rage 5s may be bit quieter when cutting but I think that's down to a brand new blade and the wood just goes ever so easy through the blade.
Thanks Thomaz.
No i fajnie super test Tomku
Dziękuję serdecznie 👍
would be useful to compare how compact they both are when stored. many people on a budget also have a space budget (i certainly do), so tools also need to be stored neatly. great video though
Thank you. Well I can tell you now, the Einhell as you seen that's how compact it is. The Evolution actually folds away and saves a lot of space despite the fact it's a very big saw.
Look at the Makita MLT100 (400 euro) it has a sliding table that actually travels twice as much as the evolution one. These cheaper table saws come with their shortcomings though.
Hi, that's true, all saws will have some good and bad saws. If there was one perfect every one would have it ;)
Nice video. Lots of information there. I'm in the market for my first table saw and your review gave me ideas on what to look for. I don't want to over buy and I don't want junk.
By the way, it's a better video than I could or ever could do, but that background beat was so very distracting to me - Couldn't finish, your otherwise, very informative review.
Hi and thanks for the feedback. In my latest videos there hardly any music😁👍 I guess you live and learn 😁
Ha ha I had to laugh.I was making a cup of coffee and in the background I heard the words, "Hi my name is Thomas!" I knew who it was and I'm watching a table saw video again.
🤣🤣👍
Thanks for your answer, but can you give me more específicos options that could be affordable to buy, I need a clean cut for acrylics but I don't have a clue on the machines
IRMA LOPEZ I have to say I'm not a specialist in this field. I have cut acrylic with my bandsaw and the rage 5s table saw. Both gave me very good and clean cuts. But I would recommend you watch the this video for more information and options: th-cam.com/video/8RoAbDcFMrg/w-d-xo.html
Do you have lists for cuts, materials and tools/equipment?
Depending on which project 🤔 for some of them I do
@@CasualDIY I need the lists for the router lift built into the table saw.
@@1979cvx only got a cut list for the box, no cut list for the lift itself
Can you please send me a template of the evolution table saw riving knife. I would like to make one cause I bought my table saw used without the riving knife..
A template? Better ask Evolution for that👍
@@CasualDIY I asked for a new one but they don't have dilivery to my country,, and even if they do. shipping it costs very very much
@@CasualDIY in all of my country. There is only a few evolution table saws.
@@rawananas886 I don't have a template unfortunately
The Evolution is 500 quid. The Einhell is 135 quid. You are comparing apples and oranges here ! You can buy spare motors for the Einhell, but can you get spares for the Evolution?
Have you seem when the video was published? When I was recording the video the Rage 5s could be bought for £230 on offer and the Einhell was £130. So yes the video is correct for when it was made.
Hi Tom, I just bought the Rage5-S and I'm waiting for it right now. I've read that someone complained about the "engraved" Evolution name on the surface of the table, as sometimes it catches on the small work pieces or on the back "tooth" of the push stick. Someone filled it with all sorts of materials: hot glue (no, no), wood glue+sawdust, resin, metallic filler, etc.
Did you find this problem? Any suggestion? I wouldn't fill it with something too hard to level or be forced to level so hard to scratch the plan.
Hi, never had issues with that. To be honest this is the first time in hearing about it. Maybe epoxy would be the best solution but either way filling that void would be dangerous as if the filling comes off and catches your work piece then you can imagine what's gonna happen.
@@CasualDIY Brrr! I think you're right. I'll wait and see if that really is an issue and THEN I'll think how to address it. Ciao.
@@carloduroni5629 best way mate 👍
Hi, just seen the latest Aldi advert. They have changed the brand name, of their saw, but it has some of the characteristics of the first saw you demonstrated, you should take a look at it. Regards Geoff Maddison.
Thanks mate I will 👍
Thanks for the review! where would you be able to find the evolution table saw at the price you mentioned?
Marco Baldi I think you can get it for £265 on Amazon now, before it was on offer from FFX.
amzn.to/2sFqhIo
Yep I did find that and i was wondering if my google-fu was failing me. Still it's a really good price for what you get. I was wondering what are your opinions on the saw after a month since you published the video. I'm looking at compact saws like this, dewalt, makita and bosch. the prices and features are so different that it's taking quite a bit of time to come up with a decision XD. Videos like yours help a lot to that regards so, again, THANKS A BUNCH!
Marco Baldi I'm glad that my video is helping a bit:) well I had no issues with it so far. Had a recent project where I had to cut large sheets of 18mm mdf and it was a breeze. Really happy with this saw. Obviously if I had £1000 to spend I would get a different saw but for the money I think this is a very good saw.
eBay have a 10% off deal if you buy the Evolution Rage 5-S from FFX. It makes it £237.50. Use code PREPHOME10 and it’s valid until 15 June 2018.
TheRafeMan thank you for sharing :)
Anyone thinking of buying a Einhell table saw....please DON'T you'll be wasting your money....nothing in the bloody thing works the way it should...cuts are not accurate and the fence...you might aswel use a plastic ruler, even the main section of table of the saw is not flat
Spend a bit more and buy something else, believe me it will be money well spent....DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE AS ME
OK I will learn from your mistake, any other mistake we can learn from?
@Kamils Orhan "German make" was the main reason why i went ahead and brought this table saw...thinking it was going to be of the highest standard because it was German manufactured....i guess i was wrong
@@investmentapps7826 there's plenty mistakes in my life.....i could write a book on it
Hi I got my Evo Rage 5s a few days ago. I noticed the fence is not exactly parallel to the sawblade.Can you tell me how I can adjust the fence so its perfectly paralel to the sawblade? Thanks in advance.
Jos van Hoof Hi, the fence has got two bolts, you need to loosen them and set up the fence. Hope this helps. My fence was set up perfectly from the box, lucky I guess :)
OK. thanks. I wil give it a try.
Hi, I guess I have to tighten the fence, loosen the bolts, adjust the fence and then tghten the bolts again? Is this the right way to adjust the fence?
Jos van Hoof Yes mate that's what I would do it. Please let me know how you got on. Are the runners that the fence is attached straight?
I must admit, I’ve never been able to get the fence parallel. As far as I can tell it is warped resulting in all of my cuts wandering away from the fence. Can’t say I’m overly impressed with the saw so far.
Great review think I’ll give one of these a go 👍
Very good editing between shots, what software do you edit with? Thanks
sam wolloms Thank you kindly, I'm glad you liked it. I use Premier Pro for my video editing, it's bit pricey tho as you have to pay monthly subscription.
Casual DIY thanks!
I saw your video and was impressed so went looking for this one ... But found the fury 5s instead of the rage5s ... It looks great too but I can't figure out the differences between the two ... Any ideas ?
Hi, if you are from UK then check the link below, it's on Amazon for £265 but they do good offers from time to time. amzn.to/2Ljp2Wx
Alas I live in the Netherlands and I am looking for a small machine for small furniture and stuff like that and the sliding miter really caught my eye as a good feature
Might be a little late but the main difference between those two is the price range and quality.
Evolution sells two branches with the Rage- series for "professionals" and the Fury- series for the DIY- party.
As for the tablesaws the differences are in the feuatures:
- The Fury doesnt have a sliding table
- If you want to extend the table, you have to rely on those wobbly folding wings (just like the Einhell in the video)
- You wont get the folding table. Instead the saw has the same legs attached to as the Einhell
- Less Power 1800W for the Evo against 1500W for the Fury
Asides from that, the cheaper saw might have some parts made out auf plastic, which are made from aluminum in the more expensive model. (Dont know that for sure, but its very common)
Quel est la meilleur des deux machines ?
Evolution Rage 5S eat de loin mieux
@@CasualDIY merci quelles sont les avantages de plus par rapport à einhell je sais vraiement pas trouvé un avis convaincant ?
@@CasualDIY point de vue prix o. Ne la trouve pas en dessous de 299 alors qu en 2018 cetait plus intéressant
The Einhell also has a twin made by Evolution called the 'Fury', or to be more precise, a factory in China that makes the same table saw. Why did you keep the Einhell for a couple of years before Evolution bought your soul? Would have been more interesting hearing about your experiences with the cheap one..
Hi, I kept the Einhell as I couldn't afford anything else. The Evolution, Eithell, and all the other brands have their factories in Chaina or India. I think I gave my thoughts and experience with the Einhell saw quite well in this video. If I had a choice I wouldn't get it in the first place. Just waited and put bit more money away for a better saw.
Hi Tomasz I have just subscribed having already watched a few of your posts, I like you video's because they are easy to watch and straight to the point!! I have the Evolution down for a table saw upgrade when I can afford it I do a bit of woodworking and currently own a Parkside (Lidl) saw which has been OK and I would say is marginally better than the Einhell but any adjustment is a nightmare and the biggest problem is the blade is not in line with the mitre slots!!
I can however make do at the moment and would probably get a bandsaw as my next machine in my workshop/garage..
PS. I'm Welsh LOL.
Hehe welcome to my small community 😁 I have to say the Rage 5s was a game changer for me. The only downside to all Evolution saws is that they work with lower RPMS which means you can't really use any other blades than the ones from Evolution. The blades are ok but not perfect, and different jobs may require different blades. I'm still searching for blades that would be suitable for Evolution saws but still not found any 🤔
P.s. I love Wales👍 if I had a job there I would move there 😁
@@CasualDIY Hi Tomasz I have decided to get one of these for Christmas.. For a blade option you should take a look at this! www.amazon.co.uk/Saxton-Circular-Blade-255mm-Evolution/dp/B079YKPQS3/ref=pd_bxgy_60_3/260-6330756-2059740?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B079YKPQS3&pd_rd_r=b56ab190-6707-4e1f-b524-16d6da17b80c&pd_rd_w=eTOUs&pd_rd_wg=YNHWK&pf_rd_p=7a9d3b22-47b7-4932-be38-57f4219c3325&pf_rd_r=FTYN2DV5FNMS01EQTXVF&psc=1&refRID=FTYN2DV5FNMS01EQTXVF
Great video thanks 👌👌👌
Thank you kindly my friend glad you liked it 👍
. . . so where is the point in comparing the Einhell (EUR 108,00) with the Evolution (EUR 358,00) while the Evolution is more than 3 times as much . . .
(Prices selected where I live)
Nice and comprehensive review Thomasz!
Jim Black Thank you kindly mate
well done...you've got the right style to put these review videos across. Are you still using the Rage5-s in you DIY projects? If so how about a video on blade alignment with this particular saw...go on, you know you can do it !!!
Thanks mate. Yes it's my main saw and I love it. Yep it's a great idea for another video ;)
Had a Erbauer table saw used to frighten me to death ,no soft start up and I use to have to clamp the fence down so it would not move.
Lol I was doing the same thing with my Einhell saw
I was about to get my first table saw(i was looking cheap table saws). After watching your video, i have ordered evolution rage 5 as it really has many features that you can not find at even more expensive table saws. Anyway, i would like to ask you if you can use the diamond blade that you show at another video, at rage 5 s. Thanks.
PIT PETER Hi and thank you for your comment. There is nothing stopping you from putting the diamond blade in a table saw but I wouldn't recomend it. Don't think that would be safe. The sliding mitre saw seems to be the designated tool for that type of blades. You got more control over your cut and there won't be any kickback. So in my personal opinion I wouldn't use the diamond blade on a table saw. It's perfect for a mitre saw tho
The more expensive does not have a fence that goes right across which makes also inferior to the evolution. I bought a German Bayer table saw which is almost same and has all the same features as the evolution
Yes I have to say the fence on the Evolution is very good and easy to set up
Someone's been a bit careless, with the fence on the Einhell. 😁
What do TH-camrs have against guards?
Don't work as they should.
@@CasualDIY You mean they don't stop you cutting off your fingers? 😁
they cause more problems, the one I had with the Einhell was stopping the material from going through, same on my Evo Rage 5S, as they are not see through you can see what is happening on the cut line, and I usually use my sled so its a nightmare to constantly take it on and off... Plus personal preference.
Comparing a table saw that multiple times more than the other, is not a good comparison, but does inform you why you should buy the more expensive model.
I class the Rage 5S as budget saw. When I was making the video years ago. You could pick it up for £230 and the Einhell for £150 so it wasn't a multiple price difference 👍
. . . so where is the point in comparing the Einhell (EUR 108,00) with the Evolution (EUR 358,00) while the Evolution is more than 3 times as much . . .
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They are still budget saws. For Dewalt, Bosch etc are at least twice the price of the Evolution. In UK the Einhell is about £110 and Evolution £210. The purpose of this video is to show that it's worth spending a little extra to get a much better and safer tool. The super budget saws in my eyes are just dangerous.
@@CasualDIY . . . well, same game: you almost always get what you pay for . . .
@@cashuma5010 if I had the cash I would then compare the Rage 5s to let's say Dewalt as that's a very popular saw but at the minute I don't have the funds to buy a Dewalt saw or even rent it 🤔
@Cashuma I do see the point as if I am looking for a cheap tool I may be tempted to go for the Einhell when it turns out it's better to spend the extra 100 for the Evolution - but maybe I don't need to spend an extra 300 for a DeWalt.
Hi, you got a video checking out the different blades...cannot find it lol please send me your link :)
There you go mate:
th-cam.com/video/pWjCs5uM3fg/w-d-xo.html
@@CasualDIY your a good patient man
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka always happy to help mate
@@CasualDIY ..just order it..arrives on Friday so have the weekend to play with my new toy. ps how long have you been doing videos? You look as tho you really enjoy it, were you quite nervous at first , like it was your first job interview?
@@ChristopherClaudioSkierka let me know how you get on with it :) yes mate exactly like a job interview quite stressful. I think it's been just over 2 years now 😁
Hi Thomasz just subscribed very good review of evolution rage 5 s feel it's got to be a better buy than paying double for Bosch or Dewalt . Thanks again
Anthony Hale I'm glad you liked it:) so far I'm very happy with it, perfect cuts and no issues. Let's just hope it will stay like that.
really good informative review thank you for posting I will probably go and buy an evolution based on this review . The only criticism that I would make is that the background music is far to loud and intrusive. it really annoys and wears you down after a while as the viewer tries to concentrate on what you are saying.
Thanks👍
7:05 That is already a big FAIL for me, thank you, you saved my money and experiencing buyers remorse.