I finally got to watch this video. Great review. A little over a year ago, I bought a Rok grinder with my Expobar Office Control from you guys. A local coffee shop friend of mine let me borrow his Mazzer Lux D for the past year, but I need to return it to him. He threw me a price, but I thought I might buy a new one. So I am in need of a grinder, so many choices.. I don't know what to buy, but his helped.
Hi Marty, Thanks for the comment! Wish we still had Expobar Office machines. They were the best bang for the buck! With a recent acquisition Expobar (Crem) has decided to only do NSF rated machines for US market. There are so many choice in grinders. If you can handle a grinder that's a little louder and don't want to commit to prosumer level $$ at this point the Sette 270 or 270 Wi are as good as it gets in high-end appliance grade. Beyond that in machine grade 63mm Ceado E5P or E6P offer best bang for buck IMO. Marc
I remember watching this live stream when the first lockdown took place in NYC but I had to really appreciate the whole thing as Marc juggled everything on his own and that's how I got very interested in a Sette (or the baratza products in general) although now I own the Vario. Good work Marc !
I have the Faustino and had the same frustration that you were that I couldn't switch over to the single shot. After lots of playing, I learned you have to hold down the button for a couple seconds and then it switches. After that figured out, I've been super happy with it!
Bought a new grinder, made a huge difference in my espresso. Surprised how a very small adjustment can make a huge difference once you get close to the right grind size.
For those of you seeking a grind for ‘regular’ coffee and for espresso, I suggest that you try to find a used Bunn grinder. Lots of workplaces changing over to coffee dispensers with built-in grinders, and those Bunn grinders are often just finding their way to the trash heap or whatever. I got lucky, and scored mine for $50. Dual bin. Does a great job for my morning pot of coffee, as it does for lots of baristas. Frees up your $$$ for an espresso-specific grinder, meaning you don’t have to try to change grinds to accommodate a variety of brew methods.
Hey G, Thanks for the comment and sharing advice. I always recommend stand alone grinders for espresso and a second for other brew methods where grind size is not nearly as critical. Marc
Thanks for your very informative videos. As I have progressively refined my technique, I have continued to be surprised at the importance of apparently fussy little details. I have an old stepped grinder... and it turns out that one step is too coarse resulting in much too fast flow, while next step is fine which clogs the portafilter. It might be interesting if you illustrated that problem so that we slow learners would understand... lol. Thanks again for your videos.
Hi Ardy, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and request. I have dealt with that issue in some other videos over the years. If in that situation you can fudge it a bit by adjusting the dose weight of coffee. So things coming a little too fast up the dose weight a bit. A bit slow then decrease dose. In addition, one could try a harder or softer tamp. Marc
Hi Marc, I like the way you talk about every single detail. Would love to see you reviewing Niche Zero or even comparing it to Eureka Mignon Specialita. Thanks
Hi Don, Thanks for the comment and request. I have done some video featuring the Eureka Mignon Specialita. In fact, Used it in a live stream last Thursday to grind for coffee shots on a Profitec Pro 700 with flow control: th-cam.com/video/Tmxz0_m89-k/w-d-xo.html Unfortunately I do not have a Niche to do a comparison. To the best of my knowledge they are sold direct only. Marc
Hi Ardy, Thanks for the comment! Another live stream today at 1pm EST on a best value entry level machine and grinder combo. Watch live or after the fact here: th-cam.com/video/jzvi36qbfhY/w-d-xo.html Marc
Hi Marc. Thanks for all the great videos! have watched a lot of videos on prosumer espresso machines and grinders but I am not sure which grinder should I go for. So hope to hear your advice. The tricky part is that I am very likely to get Rocket R58 for the espresso machine, because it can give the most stable temperature and pressure within my budget. But I am not sure whether I need to a machine grade grinder. My requirements for the espresso grinder is: no clumpy grinds, fluffy and evenly distributed grinds, less retained grind in the machine (e.g. 18g in, 18g out). I drink one cup of coffee every day or every other day, so I scale the beans every time I grind. so the grinds does not need to have a scale, nor does it need to have a big bin for continuous output. I do not care about the noise at all. Based on the research I have done, seems Sette 270 is a good choice. But I am wondering are there smaller and less expensive choices that could fulfill my requirements? On the other side, I am also wondering whether Sette 270 is a short board for the espresso given the machine is R58? If you do recommend a pricier grind, how the output will be different from Sette 270? If there is a strong reason, I may reconsider my budgets for the grinder. Thanks so much!
Hi PP, You are welcome! Thanks for the question and including details which will help with my recommendations. The Sette 270 is a reasonable choice. It does a very fluffy and well distributed grind and has low retention. It's fast and noisier than most. It is a high-end appliance grade grinder and uses a conical burr set. At your use level appliance grade is reasonable but others using higher end machines like the R58 tend to prefer grinders with larger flat burrs. Those put you into a machine grade grinder with higher price. Worth a look are the Ceado E5P and the Rocket Faustino. If you want 18g in/18g out the Ceado E5SD is essentially zero retention but it's significantly more $$. Conical vs. flat burr: IMO flat burrs produce a more consistent grind particle size leading to more balanced extraction. But that's very subjective! This video takes you through the Ceado E5's th-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/w-d-xo.html The Rocket Faustino is a beautiful little grinder that stays with your brand. Here's a video on that: th-cam.com/video/EbHAiVHrmdI/w-d-xo.html In case you did not know the R58 saw a recent update to the R Cinquantotto: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rocket-espresso-r-cinquantotto-espresso-machine Hope that helps! Marc
Please remember that first-time viewers are not necessarily familiar with brand names and the various models of each brand. It would be a good idea to overlay the screen with the name and model as you review each.
Hi KA, Thanks for the comment! Man, I was out of room for any more grinders. Think I had 15 up there. MK2 is a decent 50mm burr grinder. Honestly do not think there are any inherent disadvantages to more recently produced similar 50mm grinder. Marc
Great video! Why does it seem you guys aren't they biggest fans of the Profitec T64 grinder when compared to other relative brands such as the Eureka Mignon??
On the Sette 270Wi as you can see when you grind the micrometric adjustment moves ! I have exactly the same problem on mine and i have the older version 270W . This is because of the bad cheap construction on plastic ! There is a lot of vibration on that grinder and screws on plastic become very loose. Also Rocket faustino i bought one to replace my Sette 270w and i run through new problems :-) . As build quality i haven't seen anything better. That very small unit i think is 7.4KG . The problems i had from first day was at the touch screen, then supplier send me another screen and replace it myself by taking off those two screws. Second screen problem again with the memory of the seconds and the touch general. So now i am on the way to return the unit back and get something else, as i believe the first batch from these units was faulty. There is very very limited reviews online for these grinders. All that happens in Australia btw :-)
Hi nr, Thanks for sharing your experience. There is a felt friction ring between the macro and micro-adjustment rings of the Sette 270 and 270Wi. It is a wear part and after long-term use of the grinder it will need replacement. The part is $1.00 and available here: www.baratza.com/shop/parts/sette-parts Very easy to replace. Sorry to hear you've had issues with your Faustino. I have not experienced anything like that and have used a number of Faustino grinders. Build quality of Faustino is much higher! I consider the Sette a high-end appliance grade while the Faustino is a true machine. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for letting me know Marc i didn't know that. Now the sette relaxing on the shelf as a spare grinder. Yes build quality those 2 grinder are day and night. Faustino is solid like a tank but unfortunately yes... First screen i wasn't able to use any button until it goes on stand by mode, after that was ok . Second screen on a single dose i couldn't add seconds, i was able only to take off seconds, and go only up to 9.9 secs. And once you hit the single shot button it starts counting from 50 seconds. So yes i think they released few batches with faulty screens.
nikos raptis you are welcome! The more you know. I love the solid slab design of the Faustino. If you can’t get happy with the controls might consider a Ceado E6P. Latest version is fabulous. Not Faustino pretty IMO but a rock solid performer with larger 63mm burrs. Marc
Hi, I've happened to pick up a used Gaggia MD64 aka "Bella" grinder (64 mm burrs, stepless, doser only, 20 inch in height, a true monster :-D ) to use with a 57,5 mm bottomless PF (Italian FrancisFrancis X3 machine, IMS shower screen) in my kitchen. The ginormous thing cost me less than $100. I've noticed that the spout between the burrs and the doser is almost horizontal. I guess it's designed to run non-stop, then the coffee would pass faster. Not so convenient for my smaller doses. On the other hand, it has quite a solid build quality and the vital moving parts are metallic. And the grinding potential is so good of course. :-) Bottom line: Do you think I should give this one a chance at home or should I sell it to some local business owners (as their backup grinder or something)? Thanks!
The Niche is considered a high-end grinder with it's 63mm conical burrs and relative true zero retention while perhaps providing a mid-range construction. I don't have a Niche myself but going by all reviews, in practice, this is a better machine compared to the Sette.
Hi Marc, Great videos and I love that you're this active in the comments of all your videos. I'm in the market for an espresso grinder to go with the Gaggia Classic Pro. In Europe, the price of a Sette 270 (the W, not the Wi) and the Mignon Specialita are practically the same (I like the look of the Mignon more, tbh). Do you prefer one over the other? Thanks in advance! Cheers.
Hi C, Thanks for the comment and question. I have a preference for the Sette grinder. It's fast (also kinda loud) produces a very fluffy and well distributed grind. Big difference is the Sette is high-end appliance grade construction while the Eureka is a machine grade build. Marc
Hi Marc how does one go about matching a grinder to a machine. Is it price? Burr size? Is a grinder that has 50mm burrs sufficient for pretty much any machine i.e. taste wise?
Hi w, It used to be a price based decision to some extent. Old advice was to spend at least 50% of machine cost on grinder. I don't really subscribe to that advice. I think it's best to determine the build quality you want first. There are some excellent high-end appliance grade grinders for espresso like the Baratza Sette 270 or 270 Wi. They are strictly for home use. They are built well but will not standup to abuse! Also happen to be rather loud. But if you can put up with that, they produce excellent clump free perfectly distributed grinds with very low retention. They can produce some static in dry environments but easily solved with a little wetting (RDT) of the beans. If you prefer a machine grade grinder that'll go for decades you will spend more. Entry level into that grade IMO is the Ceado E5P/E6P. They are the same grinder except timing function on the E6P. They have 63mm burrs, clump free grinding, excellent distribution and are much quieter than the Sette grinders. As you go below 63mm in prosumer level machine grade grinders you get slower grinding and more possibilty of clumping. I do like Eureka grinders at that level as well as the Rocket Espresso Faustino (beautiful IMO) which is manufactured by Eureka. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. Thanks for your video. Does that mean Baratza Sette 270 is sufficient for Gaggia Classic Pro if I were to use non-pressurized basket? Where I am, Ceado E5P is more expensive than the espresso machine itself unfortunately. I was originally looking at Sette 30 but from reading your recommendation, it's not enough. What about Macap M2M or M2D? Thank you.
Great informational video, thank you... so pretty much since coffee changes everyday and you're always going to be dialing in, seems like a lot of coffee needs to be wasted before drinking a cup of coffee, pull one shot it's either sour or bitter then you have to throw it away and make another coffee before you can enjoy a cup?
Hey Y, You're welcome and thanks for the kind comment. Once dialed in day to day changes should be minor enough that you don't need to toss shots but just make a slight adjustment for the next one. Changes are more likely in the first 4 weeks from roast. After a coffee has done the majority of off-gassing, so long as the coffee is stored well, adjustments to grind are very slight to not needed at all. Marc
Wonderful video many thanks. Still not sure what my best bet will be for a Bezzera New Hobby. New to the game long time enjoyer, not sure about $800+ on a grinder. Would love any suggestions
Hi Joe, Thanks for the kind comment. I'd have a look at the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder It's a good match for your Hobby and probably the best value in a machine grade grinder. It's no frills but far better grind and build quality than appliance grade entry-level espresso grinders. Out of stock at the moment as we quickly sold out of last shipment. But, expect more available in a week or so. Hope that helps! Marc
Whole Latte Love thank you very Marc I’ll be on the look out for restock I’m hoping to order both machines and accessories near the end of the month. Good day
Hey Marc, really enjoy your video and like the way you present. I am looking for Mazzer Mini E or Super Jolly E to pair with Rocket Appartamento. My question is: will the Super Jolly E justify the extra $200 in terms of grind quality? Thanks!
Hi YS, Well, I'm not a fan of Mazzer grinders. The Mini hasn't changed much in the last decade. The grinding chamber which is open to the threads of the burr adjustment drives me nuts. Threads get gummed up and adjustment becomes difficult. Dislike the top burr riding on 3 springs (also open to ground coffee). If stuck on Mazzer I don't think you'll see much difference in grind quality between the two. You might have a look at the Ceado E37J: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/ceado-e37-j-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black Marc
I'm not having any problems with the Ceado 37 S for single dose, I just weight my beans run them through into a small cup holding the button in its takes a few extra seconds to get the last grounds out but its just me alone with the 37 S, It's a very quiet machine, it will out last me for sure,
Hi glen, Thanks for sharing your experience! It takes a little extra to use the E37S as a single doser but it is doable. Very quiet, excellent grind quality and yes, will probably outlast us! Marc
What a great walk through a wide range of grinders this was! I am looking to upgrade my grinder (Ascaso i1 54mm flat burr, 25o watt motor). I am considering very different options: Ceado E5P or something twice as expensive such as the Eureka Atom 75. What draws me to the Eureka is the large burr size (and presumably superb grind consistency and quality), but it comes with a lot of extra features that I don't care for, such as speed, quietness, programmability ect. My question is, is something like the Eureka worth the extra money over the Ceado on grinding capability alone and is the Ceado enough of an upgrade over what I already have? Thank you in advance.
Hi DV, You will see a difference with the Ceado grinder with the larger burrs, better motor and nice distribution into PF. The E5P is the best value for those who want a simple on demand grinder with no need for additional features like timed grinding etc. and it's relatively quiet too. Marc
Just bought the 270wi,but I still have the old barista express with only a 54mm portafilter,and because its a small filter,it dosnt sit in the centre so the grinds spill over the back,so iv ordered a dual boiler and 58mm filters,I hope it dosnt throw grinds everywhere with the new machine.
Hi SA, Thanks for the comment. You should have excellent distribution of ground coffee into a 58mm portafilter. If you experience any static which is common in dry environments with your Sette grinder it's easily controlled by stirring the beans in hopper with a moistened finger. Marc
For anyone with similar issues a dosing funnel would be helpful to avoid a mess, but I'm not sure if it would work in a sette270 or not, since it adds some extra height.
Hey Mark awesome video! Currently have a Breville smart grinder pro. Was thinking about upgrading to the Baratza 270wi. Do u think its worth that difference in price and would it make me have a better tasting espresso? Im am using the breville dual boiler machine with VST 18-21 gram non pressurized basket. Thanx Andy
TL;DR = No :) IMO, unless you are very picky and a coffee enthousiast, there's no reason to jump from 200-250$ to a 500+ grinder. Coffee quality, machine, dialed espresso, water temps. There's so much that matter into an espresso. If you get CONSISTENT grind size and good grinding SIZE with your grinder, stick with it until it die. Then switch up for better. But don't change it if the Breville still works good and do good. Cheers!
Hi Andy, Thanks for the question. I don't think, I know it will make a huge difference! It's louder but so much faster with far better control of grind size. If your are using precision baskets then you will appreciate getting the same weight every time you grind. I guarantee you after a few cycles of "intelligent" learning the 270 Wi is always within 0.2g dosing accuracy. It's magical! While the SGP is doable for some, your machine totally outclasses it. Marc
From what I've read the Breville Grinders are OK but not ideal for espresso, you should notice a big difference with something like a Sette270 or Eureka grinder. Or even a decent hand grinder if you want something cheaper. Did you end up getting a Sette270?
Is the Eureka Mignon Silenzio's dial more similar to the Specialita than the Perfetto? Looked like Marc had to turn the dial a lot, unlike the Perfetto.
Hi Pat, Thanks for the question. If you do make that jump it's the last espresso grinder you will ever purchase! It's a beast and one of the best. Just know it's an espresso specialist. Rather cumbersome to use for both espresso and other brew methods which use a coarser grind. Marc
Nice video!! I wish you would of inc the $330 eureka. It seems like a really good one for the money and a step up from the breville but not as expensive as the higher end ones...can't find too many videos on it
Hi michelle, Hi cover the full lineup of Eureka Mignon espresso grinders in this video: th-cam.com/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/w-d-xo.html And the full line-up of Eureka Mignon brew grinders in this one: th-cam.com/video/484kmJAwH3k/w-d-xo.html Even the lower cost Eurekas in those videos outperform the Brevilles. Marc
Great video thanks for doing that. I recently sold my 270wi due to noise. I'm currently looking for a single dose grinder because my wife switched to decaf. I've been leaning towards the Eureka Mignon Specialita for cost, performance and retention. I would love something like the E5SD but it's a little out of my price range. Is there anything else you would recommend for single dosing? Also have you tested the Eureka Mignon XL?
Hi Kyle, You are welcome for the video! The Sette 270Wi is an excellent home espresso grinder but the grind straight through design does make it louder than most. The E5SD is a fantastic single doser but is rather pricey. Sorry I do not have a lower cost single dosing solution to suggest. Always a bit of a compromise trying to single dose with a grinder that's not designed to do it. For perfect fresh doses in a non SD grinder you will need to purge between grind cycles and do motor start/stop to coax out the last bit of grind but there will always be some retention. If single dosing you might consider the regular Ceado E5P. No timed grinding but you don't really need that if single dosing. With the push to grind button it's maybe easier to bump the motor on/off. Gotta like the larger 64mm burrs and excellent distribution into PF. You will still need to purge for 100% fresh dose. IMO the Ceado does less popcorning of beans in hopper than most Eureka grinders. I have not tested the XL. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi A, Thanks for the question. A few ideas. The Eureka Mignon Specialita in chrome: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-specialita-16cr-in-chrome (many other colors available!). Beyond that the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder or E6P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2 The Eureka is more compact and has 55mm burrs. Ceado's are the same internally with 64mm burr and a little higher quality in overall build. E5p is manual on demand and E6P has 2 timed presets or manual grinding. Hope that helps, Marc
At 24:44 you mention what I think you call a "portafilter butler" for the Sette 30. What company makes that? Is it still available anywhere? I didn't see it on the WLL website. Thanks!
@@Wholelattelovepage Yes!! Thanks, Marc! I must have searched incorrectly and missed it. My Sette should arrive this week, and when I know which end is up, if I decide to go for it, I will order from you. Thanks again!
can you please send me the link for your under $500 machines and grinders? Also, as I search Amazon for espresso makers, all of the brands have one star reviews that make me not want to make the purchase. And they all have 5 stars. How do I make a choice. Im leaning towards the Gaggia RI9380/46 Classic Pro Espresso. thanks.
Hi Lloyd, Here's a link to our retails site for under $500 espresso machines: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_p_price=59.99%3A499.99 Gaggia Classic Pro is the only true machine in that result. It's IMO the best premium entry-level machine for the $$. Other in the result are all appliance grade products. Here's link to grinders under $500: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_p_price=199.95%3A499.95 I prefer the Profitec or Eureka grinders in that result. The Rocky grinders are all stepped grind size adjustment and tend to be a bit clumpy at espresso grind size. Marc
Hey Marc, your video is stunning! I wish I saw this before. My coffee grinder got broken last week and I am about to buy a new one. I am between the "Faustino" or the "Eureka Mignon Specialità". I have read that Eureka makes them both but I have seen that you struggled with the single shot with the Faustino so I am concerned about the led display causing problems. I have my pros and cons about them and both are similar. Also, in your previous videos about the best coffee grinders in 2019, you did not include the Rocket. Therefore, could you please give me your opinion about which one to get? I'd really appreciate it. Thank you.
Hi GLC, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry about the trouble with the single on the Faustino! I was being impatient!!! Just press and hold the single to select. A quick press starts it grinding. I like the Faustino a lot and it is made by Eureka. Personally I prefer the Faustino. But for me it's more of a styling preference except for the larger grind size adjustment knob on the Faustino compared to the Specialita. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the information ! Maybe you've answered already somewhere else, but witch grinder is more quiet between the Faustino and the Specialita ? Thanks again !
Hi Acorn, So ten years ago the Rocky was a reasonable choice for home use. Since then it has been passed by newer designs with more precise control of grind size and other usability features. I have never been a fan of dosing grinders. They're a holdover from the days of commodity espresso in Italy where speed and eliminating coffee waste was (still is) important. I've used the Rocky Doserless in the past and although well built it tends to produce a clumpy grind for espresso and is very slow. Marc
Hey Marc, I have the Baratza Satte 270 and was wondering is it okay to leave the beans in the grinder container? Or should I just aim to pour into the container what I’m planning to use for each time I use my machine? 🤔 thanks in advance!
Hi J, Thanks for the question. Depends on how particular you are and type/age of beans. If using say an Italian style bean blend I'm okay with a couple days in the hopper. If doing specialty coffee that's within a couple weeks of roast I'd only put in what you are using for a day and leave the rest in the original bag. Roll the bag and use a clip to keep it closed. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi g, Thanks for the question. So the E65s is a fan cooled 65mm flat burr grinder. A quick price check shows it running about $500 more than the Ceado E37S which is an 83mm flat burr grinder. I prefer the larger burrs of the Ceado - and the lower price. Also like the E37S incredibly precise Quick Set Gear for grind size adjustment. The NSF rated E37S is appropriate for high-end home use up through moderate use in a commercial cafe. The E65S with fan cooling could be a better choice for high-volume commercial use but otherwise I'd go with the larger burrs and low retention of the Ceado. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Mike, Thanks for the question. The E37S is an extra high-end espresso focused grinder. I like the 270Wi a lot - the weighing is magical. But, it is an appliance grade product with parts that wear with time. At some point if you have not already you will be inserting the burr shims (very easy to do) after break in. Later you'll likely need to replace the friction felt between the macro and micro adjustment rings. That's super easy as well and the part is ~$1. Major difference in the burrs. E37S are massive 83mm flats while the Sette's are 40mm conical. Most espresso pros prefer flat burrs. For the espresso novice there might not be a huge noticeable difference in flavor between burr types. The Sette is susceptible to static when grinding and it's virtually unheard of with the E37S. But, you could purchase ~3 270 Wi's for the price of one E37S. Even with that the single Ceado is likely to outlast them all. It's just a whole other level of build quality. Marc
Hi Thomas, Yopu are welcome and thank you for your comment. Yes, it's a good grinder. I have covered the Eureka Atom which comes in 60mm and 65mm burr options: th-cam.com/video/-VihPhmxphc/w-d-xo.html Marc
The Atom 65 and the Zenith 65e share the same 65mm Burr set. They are basically the same grinder in terms of grind quality but the Atom is a smidge quieter. The Zenith was designed for medium commercial use so it's more durable and the motor will last a lot longer. I've just bought a Zenith for my endgame home grinder.
Great job mark Is there a difference in the grinders used in super automatic espresso machines? And a comparison between their brew groups would be nice It seems to me they’re the same the only development are in their bigger screens and preset drinks And for an upgrade would you recommend a volumetric or a semi automatic machine Volumetric seems to combines quality and convenience in my opinion
Hi Sal, Thanks for the comment and questions! Grinders used in super automatics are relatively similar. Most use flat ceramic burrs of ~40mm Brew groups are similar in function. There is some difference in dosing amounts. All are adjustable using coffee strength. Jura machines tend have higher dosing but use a single grind cycle when making 2 coffee beverages. Gaggia machines use 2 grind cycles when making 2 coffee beverages. If you go to the "specs" section on the product page of most machines you will find the coffee dose range. The Gaggia Cadorna for instance uses a dose of 6.5 - 11.5 grams per grind cycle so make a double espresso and you'll get a dose range of 13 - 23 grams. Check out the specs here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige#product-specs Make a double on a Jura machine and it's a single grind cycle with most of their machines maxing out at 14 grams. Another difference... brew groups are removable in Gaggia machines and not removable in Jura machines. Differences in super-auto machines are largely based on features. Things like how milk is supplied, capacities, user interface. some machines can flip the milk/espresso prep order based on the drink being made. Some users prefer semi-auto machines with programmable volumetric dispensing. Even with those you can go manual. Personally I prefer manual start/stop. It's a simpler and more pure process IMO. I also like features like line pressure pre-infusion and flow control available on many non volumetric E61 group machines. Hope that helps! Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks mark I hope you’re the owner or one of the owners of whole Latte Love Because i think you’re one of the major reasons this channel is a big success Thank you
Great stream good info, as I am in the market for an upgrade from a breville dose control. I was day dreaming about my next espresso machine and, I noticed the Profitec 300 is not listed on your site. I am wondering what kind of gone is it; gone for good, or gone for now? I might just have to save for the 600.
Hi Grant thanks for the comment. More 300s will be available. They are manufactured in Italy which is mostly shutdown due to virus. Sure, save up for the 600 - ypou will not regret! Marc
Hi mark, Thanks for the question. Well, I'm not a fan of dosing grinders. Unless in coffee shop I can't recommend. Very few sold for home use anymore. The Mazzer Mini is a decent grinder. I don't care much for the burr sitting on the 3 springs or how open the grind size adjustment threads are to coffee dust and oils. When I've used in the past they get gummed up with coffee dust and oils and become very difficult to adjust. If you upgrade you could have things doser-less grinding, ease of use and timed or weight based grinding. For upgrade I'd look to a grinder like the Ceado or Eureka Atom which have similar size burrs as the Mazzer with better control of dosing. Hope that helps! Marc
Hoi A, Thanks for the question. Baratza considers the Sette 270 to be their best espresso grinder. Compared to the Vario it's faster, fluffier grind, and better distribution into a PF. And the Wi weight based grinding is magical! IMO the Vario is a litlle better build quality. Hope that helps! Marc
I love my Faustino. My only belly ache is that, unless I’ve missed it, there is nothing to hold the canister onto the machine. It’s easy to hit the canister by mistake and see it come off the machine. The only thing that holds it, albeit loosely, is the rubber ring as the base of the canister. I wish there was a locking mechanism for the canister.
There is a small hex screw directly behind the hopper on the top plate (parallel to surface). You can lock this to keep the hopper on (at least it will be anchored at 12 o'clock).
Ceado E5P (I think this is cheapest in Ceado line) has push button on/off button below the portafilter holder? How does that work with bottomless protafilter?
Hi Acorn, Yes, the E5P is the least costly of the Ceado grinders. And aside from timing components and manual switch is the same internally as the E6P. But with the PF spout activated switch it is literally painful to use with a bottomless PF. I've done it by pushing the metal rod with a finger. Fine doing on an occasional basis but not something I'd want to do all the time. Marc
Hi coffee guy, Thanks for the question. Hard to argue against bigger burrs being better, The do a more consistent grind particle size, dissipate heat better and grind faster! For coffee shop I'd go with the E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black It's also available in a silver finish. Marc
I think that's also why the weight calculator wasn't correcting itself to be exact, it kept going a bit more coarse which grinds a bit faster, and threw off the calculations, although it's still pretty close.
Hi AG, Would be nice if there was! I use my finger and after awhile it's a PITA! I do not recommend this grinder for those doing a lot of bottomless. Marc
Is the Sette 30 good to use with an unpressurized basket? there is quite a price jump between the 30 and the 270wi. I'm looking for a decent grinder that isn't going to break my wallet
Hi TMP, Thanks for the question. It is possible to use for unpressurized basket but not highly recommended. It lacks the precise control of grind size one gets with the micro-adjustment on the 270 or 270 Wi. But, you can work around that by slightly up/down dosing the coffee weight if you find yourself wanting to go in between grind sizes on the 30. Also, the grind adjustment assembly found on the the 270 grinders fits perfectly into the 30. So if you want to upgrade to macro/micro down the road you can! Marc
Hi, It's a bit of a step in price but you go to entry-level machine grade stepless adjustment with the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder Marc
Hey Marc, so am looking for an espresso grinder right now and my options are the brevile smart grinder pro, the sette 30. I know the sette 270 is better but its way out of my budget. Right now am using a pressurised cup but soon am changing to the non pressurised. What do u prefer? Or do you think i got any other options? Thanks
Hi Andreas, Thanks for the question. I'd go with the Sette 30. It's not optimal without the micro-adjustment but IMO far better than the SGP. If you wanted, down the road you can upgrade the 30 with the adjustment mechanism of the 270 to get the micro-adjust for ~$90 www.baratza.com/shop/sette-270-270w-adjustment-assembly Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Didn't know you can upgrade the Sette 30 with the 270 micro adjustments, I'm guessing that doesn't exactly turn it into a Sette270 though? Different internals?
Hi k, Thanks for the question. The Baratza Sette 270 or 270 Wi are good choices i high-end appliance grade: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Baratza If you want a more durable Machine grade grinder the Rocket Faustino is an excellent pairing and stunning with versions not shown in the video which match the side panel design of the Appartamento. See those here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Rocket%20Espresso Marc
Hi naomi, That's unusual unless you are grinding extra fine or using dark oily beans. It may be you have a partial obstruction of the exit of the grinding chamber due to a coffee grounds clog or the static control flap may be miss-adjusted. You can check for and correct both of these by removing four phillips head screws holding on the black piece which the grounds chute exits through. The static control flap is a thin piece of metal at the exit of the grounds chamber into the silver tube. Clear any accumulated coffee from around or behind the flap. Bending the flap out away from the grinding chamber can help with coffee flow but don't bend too much. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi J, thanks for the question. The Specialista has 55mm burrs, the Faustino's are 50mm. Bigger burrs are generally better. Personally I'd give up the extra 5mm for the dosing funnel of the Faustino and the over all look - but that's subjective. Also like the larger grind size adjustment knob on the Faustino. At their core they are both Eureka grinders. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Andy, Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Fausto and E37J: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NjAwNjEwMjA3NSwxNTQ1OTc1ODI0NDQz It's a close call! Key differences: Fausto has more powerful motor, dosing funnel and the UI is IMO simpler to use. E37J: Very easy to open up for cleaning and no loss of grind size adjustment when opened. No loss on Fausto either but a bit more difficult to open up. Both deliver excellent grind quality. Fausto is easier to make large changes in grind size. If leaving espresso range on the E37J one must remove the adjustment lever. Hope that helps! Marc
“espresso nerds” thought - is there any logic (another control/complexity) variable-grind for a dose? for example, start 80% too-course and finish 20% finer... sort of a second screen made from coffee
Hi Mark, Hmm... maybe. But I think most would anticipate an unbalanced extraction. The coarse coffee being under-extracted and the fine grounds being over-extracted. Marc
Hi H, Thanks for the question. For a machine grade 63mm burr grinder it's hard to beat the Ceado E5P which I believe is around that number. If comfortable with high-end appliance grade have a look at the Barataza Sette 270 Wi which would be a bit less but does incredibly accurate weight based dosing. The E5P is an on demand grinder with no time or weight based dosing. Hope that helps! Marc
So i didn't count how many times was said how to deal with static and he never explained that in the video.... that's the biggest problem with most grinders he showed they make a mess on your counter...
Hi TV, Sorry about that... The simple way to deal with static is to get the beans slightly moist just prior to grinding. This can be done using a fine mist sprayer or simply dip a finger in water and stir beans in the hopper with that wet finger prior to grinding. This technique is often called RDT for Ross Droplet Technique. Some grinders produce more static than others and static can be more troublesome in low humidity environments. Hope that helps! Marc
Hi MT, Thanks for the question. It's loud due to its grind straight through design. No other grinder that does automatic programmable grind to weight into portafilter in this price range. The Baratza Vario W: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-vario-w-986-coffee-grinder grinds to weight into a grinds bin but not PF and is more $$. Marc
Seems like such a waste of coffee dialing in / adjusting the grind. I always just single dose, nothing in the hopper, so I can adjust the grinder while it's running and no beans being wasted, pull a shot and see how it worked. I don't care if it's really off, I'll still drink it, sometimes you get surprised it can still be really good.
Wow, this was streamed today and I just ordered my first espresso maker and grinder before this was streamed! Can't wait to receive my first espresso machine!
How's the scale? Now that it's been 7 months? I think they're good, they look nice and are quick to respond, but big, so might not be ideal for espresso machines on the drip tray weighing your shot as they pour, but still could work.
Go by taste when dialing in and dont worry about time or weight. Just drink good tasting coffee. And stop looking at the lint collection in your belly button.
Who cares about time of grind in a home grinder, when you almost always weigh the beans first. I only weigh the beans before even putting into the grinder.
Watched this a year after the live stream. LOVE the long video format, I've learned oodles. :D Thank you!
Thanks Marc! this helped me pick an new Espresso Grinder. Was using the Ascaso i-steel and now will move to the Eureka Mignon Specialita
Happy to help!
Marc
I finally got to watch this video. Great review. A little over a year ago, I bought a Rok grinder with my Expobar Office Control from you guys. A local coffee shop friend of mine let me borrow his Mazzer Lux D for the past year, but I need to return it to him. He threw me a price, but I thought I might buy a new one. So I am in need of a grinder, so many choices.. I don't know what to buy, but his helped.
Hi Marty, Thanks for the comment! Wish we still had Expobar Office machines. They were the best bang for the buck! With a recent acquisition Expobar (Crem) has decided to only do NSF rated machines for US market. There are so many choice in grinders. If you can handle a grinder that's a little louder and don't want to commit to prosumer level $$ at this point the Sette 270 or 270 Wi are as good as it gets in high-end appliance grade. Beyond that in machine grade 63mm Ceado E5P or E6P offer best bang for buck IMO.
Marc
I remember watching this live stream when the first lockdown took place in NYC but I had to really appreciate the whole thing as Marc juggled everything on his own and that's how I got very interested in a Sette (or the baratza products in general) although now I own the Vario. Good work Marc !
Hi TK, Thanks for the comment. Those were some crazy days! Hopefully we're no going there again!
Marc
these are great!
I have the Faustino and had the same frustration that you were that I couldn't switch over to the single shot. After lots of playing, I learned you have to hold down the button for a couple seconds and then it switches. After that figured out, I've been super happy with it!
Whole Latte Love is my reference for espresso equipment ! Greetings from Canada and thank you so much for your help!!
Hi Max, You are welcome and thank you for the comment!
Marc
Bought a new grinder, made a huge difference in my espresso. Surprised how a very small adjustment can make a huge difference once you get close to the right grind size.
Hi JS, Thanks for the comment 100% spot on. Grind size is incredibly important and impactful!
For those of you seeking a grind for ‘regular’ coffee and for espresso, I suggest that you try to find a used Bunn grinder. Lots of workplaces changing over to coffee dispensers with built-in grinders, and those Bunn grinders are often just finding their way to the trash heap or whatever. I got lucky, and scored mine for $50. Dual bin. Does a great job for my morning pot of coffee, as it does for lots of baristas. Frees up your $$$ for an espresso-specific grinder, meaning you don’t have to try to change grinds to accommodate a variety of brew methods.
Hey G, Thanks for the comment and sharing advice. I always recommend stand alone grinders for espresso and a second for other brew methods where grind size is not nearly as critical.
Marc
Thanks for your very informative videos.
As I have progressively refined my technique, I have continued to be surprised at the importance of apparently fussy little details. I have an old stepped grinder... and it turns out that one step is too coarse resulting in much too fast flow, while next step is fine which clogs the portafilter. It might be interesting if you illustrated that problem so that we slow learners would understand... lol. Thanks again for your videos.
Hi Ardy, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and request. I have dealt with that issue in some other videos over the years. If in that situation you can fudge it a bit by adjusting the dose weight of coffee. So things coming a little too fast up the dose weight a bit. A bit slow then decrease dose. In addition, one could try a harder or softer tamp.
Marc
Hi Marc, I like the way you talk about every single detail. Would love to see you reviewing Niche Zero or even comparing it to Eureka Mignon Specialita. Thanks
Hi Don, Thanks for the comment and request. I have done some video featuring the Eureka Mignon Specialita. In fact, Used it in a live stream last Thursday to grind for coffee shots on a Profitec Pro 700 with flow control: th-cam.com/video/Tmxz0_m89-k/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately I do not have a Niche to do a comparison. To the best of my knowledge they are sold direct only.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks a lot for sharing Marc you're amazing
Thanks for continuing in these challenging times
Hi Ardy, Thanks for the comment! Another live stream today at 1pm EST on a best value entry level machine and grinder combo. Watch live or after the fact here: th-cam.com/video/jzvi36qbfhY/w-d-xo.html
Marc
Hi Marc. Thanks for all the great videos! have watched a lot of videos on prosumer espresso machines and grinders but I am not sure which grinder should I go for. So hope to hear your advice.
The tricky part is that I am very likely to get Rocket R58 for the espresso machine, because it can give the most stable temperature and pressure within my budget. But I am not sure whether I need to a machine grade grinder. My requirements for the espresso grinder is: no clumpy grinds, fluffy and evenly distributed grinds, less retained grind in the machine (e.g. 18g in, 18g out). I drink one cup of coffee every day or every other day, so I scale the beans every time I grind. so the grinds does not need to have a scale, nor does it need to have a big bin for continuous output. I do not care about the noise at all.
Based on the research I have done, seems Sette 270 is a good choice. But I am wondering are there smaller and less expensive choices that could fulfill my requirements? On the other side, I am also wondering whether Sette 270 is a short board for the espresso given the machine is R58? If you do recommend a pricier grind, how the output will be different from Sette 270? If there is a strong reason, I may reconsider my budgets for the grinder. Thanks so much!
Hi PP, You are welcome! Thanks for the question and including details which will help with my recommendations. The Sette 270 is a reasonable choice. It does a very fluffy and well distributed grind and has low retention. It's fast and noisier than most. It is a high-end appliance grade grinder and uses a conical burr set. At your use level appliance grade is reasonable but others using higher end machines like the R58 tend to prefer grinders with larger flat burrs. Those put you into a machine grade grinder with higher price. Worth a look are the Ceado E5P and the Rocket Faustino. If you want 18g in/18g out the Ceado E5SD is essentially zero retention but it's significantly more $$. Conical vs. flat burr: IMO flat burrs produce a more consistent grind particle size leading to more balanced extraction. But that's very subjective! This video takes you through the Ceado E5's th-cam.com/video/V-Fnu7R68Tc/w-d-xo.html
The Rocket Faustino is a beautiful little grinder that stays with your brand. Here's a video on that: th-cam.com/video/EbHAiVHrmdI/w-d-xo.html
In case you did not know the R58 saw a recent update to the R Cinquantotto: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rocket-espresso-r-cinquantotto-espresso-machine
Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love Cannot thank you enough Marc! Stay safe and healthy!
I’m a big fan of the Gaggia MDF personally.
I bought a used mdf about 20 years ago ... before I even knew I needed a good grinder. A loyal companion since then
Just bought the lelit 043 (Fred), that is similar to eureka mignon, but kinda less expensive (160€). Very pleased with the performance
Hey IT, Thanks for sharing your experience and opinion!
Marc
How is this in-depth comparison not more popular??
Hi F, Thanks for the comment! Feel free to share it - honestly it's not doing bad.
Marc
Please remember that first-time viewers are not necessarily familiar with brand names and the various models of each brand. It would be a good idea to overlay the screen with the name and model as you review each.
hi mark, i hope you and your family all the good things
Hi ii, Same to you. Doing well so far. We are in NY but hundreds of miles from NYC. People here are taking the social distancing very seriously!
Marc
The Specialita is the best Eureka mignon to demo for espresso. Larger 55mm burrs, touch screen, and tighter adjustment control than the perfetto.
Hi Ryan thanks for the comment!
Marc
Man that line up of coffee grinders.
Hi KA, Thanks for the comment! Man, I was out of room for any more grinders. Think I had 15 up there. MK2 is a decent 50mm burr grinder. Honestly do not think there are any inherent disadvantages to more recently produced similar 50mm grinder.
Marc
Great video! Why does it seem you guys aren't they biggest fans of the Profitec T64 grinder when compared to other relative brands such as the Eureka Mignon??
On the Sette 270Wi as you can see when you grind the micrometric adjustment moves ! I have exactly the same problem on mine and i have the older version 270W . This is because of the bad cheap construction on plastic ! There is a lot of vibration on that grinder and screws on plastic become very loose.
Also Rocket faustino i bought one to replace my Sette 270w and i run through new problems :-) . As build quality i haven't seen anything better. That very small unit i think is 7.4KG .
The problems i had from first day was at the touch screen, then supplier send me another screen and replace it myself by taking off those two screws. Second screen problem again with the memory of the seconds and the touch general. So now i am on the way to return the unit back and get something else, as i believe the first batch from these units was faulty. There is very very limited reviews online for these grinders. All that happens in Australia btw :-)
Hi nr, Thanks for sharing your experience. There is a felt friction ring between the macro and micro-adjustment rings of the Sette 270 and 270Wi. It is a wear part and after long-term use of the grinder it will need replacement. The part is $1.00 and available here: www.baratza.com/shop/parts/sette-parts Very easy to replace.
Sorry to hear you've had issues with your Faustino. I have not experienced anything like that and have used a number of Faustino grinders. Build quality of Faustino is much higher! I consider the Sette a high-end appliance grade while the Faustino is a true machine.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for letting me know Marc i didn't know that. Now the sette relaxing on the shelf as a spare grinder.
Yes build quality those 2 grinder are day and night. Faustino is solid like a tank but unfortunately yes...
First screen i wasn't able to use any button until it goes on stand by mode, after that was ok .
Second screen on a single dose i couldn't add seconds, i was able only to take off seconds, and go only up to 9.9 secs. And once you hit the single shot button it starts counting from 50 seconds.
So yes i think they released few batches with faulty screens.
nikos raptis you are welcome! The more you know. I love the solid slab design of the Faustino. If you can’t get happy with the controls might consider a Ceado E6P. Latest version is fabulous. Not Faustino pretty IMO but a rock solid performer with larger 63mm burrs. Marc
Hi,
I've happened to pick up a used Gaggia MD64 aka "Bella" grinder (64 mm burrs, stepless, doser only, 20 inch in height, a true monster :-D ) to use with a 57,5 mm bottomless PF (Italian FrancisFrancis X3 machine, IMS shower screen) in my kitchen. The ginormous thing cost me less than $100.
I've noticed that the spout between the burrs and the doser is almost horizontal. I guess it's designed to run non-stop, then the coffee would pass faster. Not so convenient for my smaller doses.
On the other hand, it has quite a solid build quality and the vital moving parts are metallic. And the grinding potential is so good of course. :-)
Bottom line: Do you think I should give this one a chance at home or should I sell it to some local business owners (as their backup grinder or something)? Thanks!
Again... this looks like an absolute great review. Thanks for that cheers
Hi m, You are welcome and thanks for the comment!
Marc
Any opinions of the Niche Zero compared to some of the mid range grinders here? (Sette 270wi for example)
The Niche is considered a high-end grinder with it's 63mm conical burrs and relative true zero retention while perhaps providing a mid-range construction. I don't have a Niche myself but going by all reviews, in practice, this is a better machine compared to the Sette.
@@dimitriadams915 only if it were affordable in the US. $630? Ugh.
Hi Marc,
Great videos and I love that you're this active in the comments of all your videos. I'm in the market for an espresso grinder to go with the Gaggia Classic Pro. In Europe, the price of a Sette 270 (the W, not the Wi) and the Mignon Specialita are practically the same (I like the look of the Mignon more, tbh). Do you prefer one over the other? Thanks in advance! Cheers.
Hi C, Thanks for the comment and question. I have a preference for the Sette grinder. It's fast (also kinda loud) produces a very fluffy and well distributed grind. Big difference is the Sette is high-end appliance grade construction while the Eureka is a machine grade build.
Marc
Hi Marc how does one go about matching a grinder to a machine. Is it price? Burr size? Is a grinder that has 50mm burrs sufficient for pretty much any machine i.e. taste wise?
Hi w, It used to be a price based decision to some extent. Old advice was to spend at least 50% of machine cost on grinder. I don't really subscribe to that advice. I think it's best to determine the build quality you want first. There are some excellent high-end appliance grade grinders for espresso like the Baratza Sette 270 or 270 Wi. They are strictly for home use. They are built well but will not standup to abuse! Also happen to be rather loud. But if you can put up with that, they produce excellent clump free perfectly distributed grinds with very low retention. They can produce some static in dry environments but easily solved with a little wetting (RDT) of the beans. If you prefer a machine grade grinder that'll go for decades you will spend more. Entry level into that grade IMO is the Ceado E5P/E6P. They are the same grinder except timing function on the E6P. They have 63mm burrs, clump free grinding, excellent distribution and are much quieter than the Sette grinders. As you go below 63mm in prosumer level machine grade grinders you get slower grinding and more possibilty of clumping. I do like Eureka grinders at that level as well as the Rocket Espresso Faustino (beautiful IMO) which is manufactured by Eureka. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc. Thanks for your video. Does that mean Baratza Sette 270 is sufficient for Gaggia Classic Pro if I were to use non-pressurized basket? Where I am, Ceado E5P is more expensive than the espresso machine itself unfortunately. I was originally looking at Sette 30 but from reading your recommendation, it's not enough. What about Macap M2M or M2D? Thank you.
Great informational video, thank you... so pretty much since coffee changes everyday and you're always going to be dialing in, seems like a lot of coffee needs to be wasted before drinking a cup of coffee, pull one shot it's either sour or bitter then you have to throw it away and make another coffee before you can enjoy a cup?
Hey Y, You're welcome and thanks for the kind comment. Once dialed in day to day changes should be minor enough that you don't need to toss shots but just make a slight adjustment for the next one. Changes are more likely in the first 4 weeks from roast. After a coffee has done the majority of off-gassing, so long as the coffee is stored well, adjustments to grind are very slight to not needed at all.
Marc
Wonderful video many thanks. Still not sure what my best bet will be for a Bezzera New Hobby. New to the game long time enjoyer, not sure about $800+ on a grinder. Would love any suggestions
Hi Joe, Thanks for the kind comment. I'd have a look at the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder It's a good match for your Hobby and probably the best value in a machine grade grinder. It's no frills but far better grind and build quality than appliance grade entry-level espresso grinders. Out of stock at the moment as we quickly sold out of last shipment. But, expect more available in a week or so. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love thank you very Marc I’ll be on the look out for restock I’m hoping to order both machines and accessories near the end of the month. Good day
Hey Marc, really enjoy your video and like the way you present. I am looking for Mazzer Mini E or Super Jolly E to pair with Rocket Appartamento. My question is: will the Super Jolly E justify the extra $200 in terms of grind quality? Thanks!
Hi YS, Well, I'm not a fan of Mazzer grinders. The Mini hasn't changed much in the last decade. The grinding chamber which is open to the threads of the burr adjustment drives me nuts. Threads get gummed up and adjustment becomes difficult. Dislike the top burr riding on 3 springs (also open to ground coffee). If stuck on Mazzer I don't think you'll see much difference in grind quality between the two. You might have a look at the Ceado E37J: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/ceado-e37-j-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black
Marc
Whole Latte Love Thanks Marc for the reply. At this price range(1k), any other espresso grinders you can recommend?
I'm not having any problems with the Ceado 37 S for single dose, I just weight my beans run them through into a small cup holding the button in its takes a few extra seconds to get the last grounds out but its just me alone with the 37 S, It's a very quiet machine, it will out last me for sure,
Hi glen, Thanks for sharing your experience! It takes a little extra to use the E37S as a single doser but it is doable. Very quiet, excellent grind quality and yes, will probably outlast us!
Marc
Keep up the Good work, love your videos
Thanks for continue doing the videos, always enjoy the content.
Hi Sergio, You are welcome and thank you for the comment - I will continue to do videos!
Marc
Hi Mark. I noticed that you had some problems with the touch screen of the Rocket Faustino. Is that a common problem with the Rocket Faustino.
Hi J, Not that I'm aware. Think it was just my fat/nervous fingers!
ofter Amazon reviewer post that a products machines were not covered if purchased from Amazon. Do you cover all products sold???
Hi Lloyd , Yes we do cover all products sold. We have coffee pros you can talk to as well: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/contact-us
Marc
What a great walk through a wide range of grinders this was!
I am looking to upgrade my grinder (Ascaso i1 54mm flat burr, 25o watt motor). I am considering very different options: Ceado E5P or something twice as expensive such as the Eureka Atom 75. What draws me to the Eureka is the large burr size (and presumably superb grind consistency and quality), but it comes with a lot of extra features that I don't care for, such as speed, quietness, programmability ect. My question is, is something like the Eureka worth the extra money over the Ceado on grinding capability alone and is the Ceado enough of an upgrade over what I already have? Thank you in advance.
Hi DV, You will see a difference with the Ceado grinder with the larger burrs, better motor and nice distribution into PF. The E5P is the best value for those who want a simple on demand grinder with no need for additional features like timed grinding etc. and it's relatively quiet too.
Marc
Just bought the 270wi,but I still have the old barista express with only a 54mm portafilter,and because its a small filter,it dosnt sit in the centre so the grinds spill over the back,so iv ordered a dual boiler and 58mm filters,I hope it dosnt throw grinds everywhere with the new machine.
Hi SA, Thanks for the comment. You should have excellent distribution of ground coffee into a 58mm portafilter. If you experience any static which is common in dry environments with your Sette grinder it's easily controlled by stirring the beans in hopper with a moistened finger.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanx mark for you vids,absolutely love them,all the way from Australia.
For anyone with similar issues a dosing funnel would be helpful to avoid a mess, but I'm not sure if it would work in a sette270 or not, since it adds some extra height.
@@BensCoffeeRants tried it with a 58mm and its perfect
Hey Mark awesome video! Currently have a Breville smart grinder pro. Was thinking about upgrading to the Baratza 270wi. Do u think its worth that difference in price and would it make me have a better tasting espresso? Im am using the breville dual boiler machine with VST 18-21 gram non pressurized basket. Thanx Andy
TL;DR = No :)
IMO, unless you are very picky and a coffee enthousiast, there's no reason to jump from 200-250$ to a 500+ grinder.
Coffee quality, machine, dialed espresso, water temps. There's so much that matter into an espresso. If you get CONSISTENT grind size and good grinding SIZE with your grinder, stick with it until it die. Then switch up for better. But don't change it if the Breville still works good and do good.
Cheers!
Hi Andy, Thanks for the question. I don't think, I know it will make a huge difference! It's louder but so much faster with far better control of grind size. If your are using precision baskets then you will appreciate getting the same weight every time you grind. I guarantee you after a few cycles of "intelligent" learning the 270 Wi is always within 0.2g dosing accuracy. It's magical! While the SGP is doable for some, your machine totally outclasses it.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage perfect i will keep that in mind. Thanx Marc
Hey marc one more quick question. How does that ECM lever u showed stack up against the Jack leveler u normally use. Is it 58.5mm like the jack?
From what I've read the Breville Grinders are OK but not ideal for espresso, you should notice a big difference with something like a Sette270 or Eureka grinder. Or even a decent hand grinder if you want something cheaper. Did you end up getting a Sette270?
Is the Eureka Mignon Silenzio's dial more similar to the Specialita than the Perfetto? Looked like Marc had to turn the dial a lot, unlike the Perfetto.
What about the Bezzera BB005 how does that compare?
I am looking to buy a grinder for the first time, is it worth just taking the jump to ceado 37s?
Hi Pat, Thanks for the question. If you do make that jump it's the last espresso grinder you will ever purchase! It's a beast and one of the best. Just know it's an espresso specialist. Rather cumbersome to use for both espresso and other brew methods which use a coarser grind.
Marc
Nice video!! I wish you would of inc the $330 eureka. It seems like a really good one for the money and a step up from the breville but not as expensive as the higher end ones...can't find too many videos on it
Hi michelle, Hi cover the full lineup of Eureka Mignon espresso grinders in this video: th-cam.com/video/wfhaD9OPqd8/w-d-xo.html
And the full line-up of Eureka Mignon brew grinders in this one: th-cam.com/video/484kmJAwH3k/w-d-xo.html
Even the lower cost Eurekas in those videos outperform the Brevilles.
Marc
Great video thanks for doing that. I recently sold my 270wi due to noise. I'm currently looking for a single dose grinder because my wife switched to decaf. I've been leaning towards the Eureka Mignon Specialita for cost, performance and retention. I would love something like the E5SD but it's a little out of my price range. Is there anything else you would recommend for single dosing? Also have you tested the Eureka Mignon XL?
Hi Kyle, You are welcome for the video! The Sette 270Wi is an excellent home espresso grinder but the grind straight through design does make it louder than most. The E5SD is a fantastic single doser but is rather pricey. Sorry I do not have a lower cost single dosing solution to suggest. Always a bit of a compromise trying to single dose with a grinder that's not designed to do it. For perfect fresh doses in a non SD grinder you will need to purge between grind cycles and do motor start/stop to coax out the last bit of grind but there will always be some retention. If single dosing you might consider the regular Ceado E5P. No timed grinding but you don't really need that if single dosing. With the push to grind button it's maybe easier to bump the motor on/off. Gotta like the larger 64mm burrs and excellent distribution into PF. You will still need to purge for 100% fresh dose. IMO the Ceado does less popcorning of beans in hopper than most Eureka grinders. I have not tested the XL. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your response. I ended up ordering the Specialita and I'll do the single dose mod on it.
What would you pair with a pre-millennium la Pavoni Europiccola?
Hi A, Thanks for the question. A few ideas. The Eureka Mignon Specialita in chrome: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-specialita-16cr-in-chrome (many other colors available!). Beyond that the Ceado E5P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e5p-electronic-coffee-grinder or E6P: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e6p-electronic-dosing-grinder-v2
The Eureka is more compact and has 55mm burrs. Ceado's are the same internally with 64mm burr and a little higher quality in overall build. E5p is manual on demand and E6P has 2 timed presets or manual grinding.
Hope that helps,
Marc
At 24:44 you mention what I think you call a "portafilter butler" for the Sette 30. What company makes that? Is it still available anywhere? I didn't see it on the WLL website. Thanks!
Hey Larry, Do you mean this: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-sette-drop-down-portafilter
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Yes!! Thanks, Marc! I must have searched incorrectly and missed it. My Sette should arrive this week, and when I know which end is up, if I decide to go for it, I will order from you. Thanks again!
@@musicmann1967 My pleasure - It's a very nice and useful accessory!
Marc
can you please send me the link for your under $500 machines and grinders? Also, as I search Amazon for espresso makers, all of the brands have one star reviews that make me not want to make the purchase. And they all have 5 stars. How do I make a choice. Im leaning towards the Gaggia RI9380/46 Classic Pro Espresso. thanks.
Hi Lloyd, Here's a link to our retails site for under $500 espresso machines: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_p_price=59.99%3A499.99
Gaggia Classic Pro is the only true machine in that result. It's IMO the best premium entry-level machine for the $$. Other in the result are all appliance grade products.
Here's link to grinders under $500: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_p_price=199.95%3A499.95
I prefer the Profitec or Eureka grinders in that result. The Rocky grinders are all stepped grind size adjustment and tend to be a bit clumpy at espresso grind size.
Marc
Hey Marc, your video is stunning! I wish I saw this before. My coffee grinder got broken last week and I am about to buy a new one. I am between the "Faustino" or the "Eureka Mignon Specialità". I have read that Eureka makes them both but I have seen that you struggled with the single shot with the Faustino so I am concerned about the led display causing problems. I have my pros and cons about them and both are similar. Also, in your previous videos about the best coffee grinders in 2019, you did not include the Rocket. Therefore, could you please give me your opinion about which one to get? I'd really appreciate it. Thank you.
Hi GLC, Thanks for the comment and question. Sorry about the trouble with the single on the Faustino! I was being impatient!!! Just press and hold the single to select. A quick press starts it grinding. I like the Faustino a lot and it is made by Eureka. Personally I prefer the Faustino. But for me it's more of a styling preference except for the larger grind size adjustment knob on the Faustino compared to the Specialita.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the information ! Maybe you've answered already somewhere else, but witch grinder is more quiet between the Faustino and the Specialita ? Thanks again !
Is there any particular reason Rancilio Rocky (doser or doserless) rarely make it to any of your grinder list?
Hi Acorn, So ten years ago the Rocky was a reasonable choice for home use. Since then it has been passed by newer designs with more precise control of grind size and other usability features. I have never been a fan of dosing grinders. They're a holdover from the days of commodity espresso in Italy where speed and eliminating coffee waste was (still is) important. I've used the Rocky Doserless in the past and although well built it tends to produce a clumpy grind for espresso and is very slow.
Marc
Hey Marc, I have the Baratza Satte 270 and was wondering is it okay to leave the beans in the grinder container? Or should I just aim to pour into the container what I’m planning to use for each time I use my machine? 🤔 thanks in advance!
Hi J, Thanks for the question. Depends on how particular you are and type/age of beans. If using say an Italian style bean blend I'm okay with a couple days in the hopper. If doing specialty coffee that's within a couple weeks of roast I'd only put in what you are using for a day and leave the rest in the original bag. Roll the bag and use a clip to keep it closed. Hope that helps!
Marc
You could leave them in there so they could get stale
Marc, what are your thoughts on the Mahlkonig E65s? A huge improvement on the Mahlkonig K30 and comparison with top Ceado's?
Hi g, Thanks for the question. So the E65s is a fan cooled 65mm flat burr grinder. A quick price check shows it running about $500 more than the Ceado E37S which is an 83mm flat burr grinder. I prefer the larger burrs of the Ceado - and the lower price. Also like the E37S incredibly precise Quick Set Gear for grind size adjustment. The NSF rated E37S is appropriate for high-end home use up through moderate use in a commercial cafe. The E65S with fan cooling could be a better choice for high-volume commercial use but otherwise I'd go with the larger burrs and low retention of the Ceado. Hope that helps!
Marc
Thanks Marc appreciate the reply and info! Good to know E37S is NSF rated
Hi, I am using a Baratza sette 270 Wi. Any obvious advantage in exchanging this unit for a Ceado E37 S taste wise considering the extra money involved
Hi Mike, Thanks for the question. The E37S is an extra high-end espresso focused grinder. I like the 270Wi a lot - the weighing is magical. But, it is an appliance grade product with parts that wear with time. At some point if you have not already you will be inserting the burr shims (very easy to do) after break in. Later you'll likely need to replace the friction felt between the macro and micro adjustment rings. That's super easy as well and the part is ~$1. Major difference in the burrs. E37S are massive 83mm flats while the Sette's are 40mm conical. Most espresso pros prefer flat burrs. For the espresso novice there might not be a huge noticeable difference in flavor between burr types. The Sette is susceptible to static when grinding and it's virtually unheard of with the E37S. But, you could purchase ~3 270 Wi's for the price of one E37S. Even with that the single Ceado is likely to outlast them all. It's just a whole other level of build quality.
Marc
Thank you guys for the really helpful comparison! By the way why no Eureka Zenith 65E here? It is also a good grinder, right?
Hi Thomas, Yopu are welcome and thank you for your comment. Yes, it's a good grinder. I have covered the Eureka Atom which comes in 60mm and 65mm burr options: th-cam.com/video/-VihPhmxphc/w-d-xo.html
Marc
The Atom 65 and the Zenith 65e share the same 65mm Burr set. They are basically the same grinder in terms of grind quality but the Atom is a smidge quieter. The Zenith was designed for medium commercial use so it's more durable and the motor will last a lot longer. I've just bought a Zenith for my endgame home grinder.
Great job mark
Is there a difference in the grinders used in super automatic espresso machines?
And a comparison between their brew groups would be nice
It seems to me they’re the same the only development are in their bigger screens and preset drinks
And for an upgrade would you recommend a volumetric or a semi automatic machine
Volumetric seems to combines quality and convenience in my opinion
Hi Sal, Thanks for the comment and questions!
Grinders used in super automatics are relatively similar. Most use flat ceramic burrs of ~40mm
Brew groups are similar in function. There is some difference in dosing amounts. All are adjustable using coffee strength. Jura machines tend have higher dosing but use a single grind cycle when making 2 coffee beverages. Gaggia machines use 2 grind cycles when making 2 coffee beverages. If you go to the "specs" section on the product page of most machines you will find the coffee dose range. The Gaggia Cadorna for instance uses a dose of 6.5 - 11.5 grams per grind cycle so make a double espresso and you'll get a dose range of 13 - 23 grams. Check out the specs here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-cadorna-prestige#product-specs
Make a double on a Jura machine and it's a single grind cycle with most of their machines maxing out at 14 grams. Another difference... brew groups are removable in Gaggia machines and not removable in Jura machines.
Differences in super-auto machines are largely based on features. Things like how milk is supplied, capacities, user interface. some machines can flip the milk/espresso prep order based on the drink being made.
Some users prefer semi-auto machines with programmable volumetric dispensing. Even with those you can go manual. Personally I prefer manual start/stop. It's a simpler and more pure process IMO. I also like features like line pressure pre-infusion and flow control available on many non volumetric E61 group machines.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love thanks mark
I hope you’re the owner or one of the owners of whole Latte Love
Because i think you’re one of the major reasons this channel is a big success
Thank you
Great stream good info, as I am in the market for an upgrade from a breville dose control. I was day dreaming about my next espresso machine and, I noticed the Profitec 300 is not listed on your site. I am wondering what kind of gone is it; gone for good, or gone for now? I might just have to save for the 600.
Hi Grant thanks for the comment. More 300s will be available. They are manufactured in Italy which is mostly shutdown due to virus. Sure, save up for the 600 - ypou will not regret!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for the advice and timely response. I am, as always, impressed -Now more than ever, keep on keepin' on
So, I have a Mazzer mini manual with doser. What machine going up, will I notice a significant difference? I have an office control.
Hi mark, Thanks for the question. Well, I'm not a fan of dosing grinders. Unless in coffee shop I can't recommend. Very few sold for home use anymore. The Mazzer Mini is a decent grinder. I don't care much for the burr sitting on the 3 springs or how open the grind size adjustment threads are to coffee dust and oils. When I've used in the past they get gummed up with coffee dust and oils and become very difficult to adjust. If you upgrade you could have things doser-less grinding, ease of use and timed or weight based grinding. For upgrade I'd look to a grinder like the Ceado or Eureka Atom which have similar size burrs as the Mazzer with better control of dosing. Hope that helps!
Marc
I see a lot of videos about the Sette 270 and 270 WI but what do you think about them compared to the similarly priced Vario for espresso?
Hoi A, Thanks for the question. Baratza considers the Sette 270 to be their best espresso grinder. Compared to the Vario it's faster, fluffier grind, and better distribution into a PF. And the Wi weight based grinding is magical! IMO the Vario is a litlle better build quality. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage what about grind quality which one is better
the Eureka Specialita uses 55mm burrs, the only one in the mignon line that has those.
Hi Rob, Thanks for adding that info!
Marc
I love my Faustino. My only belly ache is that, unless I’ve missed it, there is nothing to hold the canister onto the machine. It’s easy to hit the canister by mistake and see it come off the machine. The only thing that holds it, albeit loosely, is the rubber ring as the base of the canister. I wish there was a locking mechanism for the canister.
There is a small hex screw directly behind the hopper on the top plate (parallel to surface). You can lock this to keep the hopper on (at least it will be anchored at 12 o'clock).
Brian Thom thanks A lot !
Hi C, (and thanks Brian Thom!) Sorry I didn't mention what Brian did about the hidden hopper locker during the live stream!
Marc
Hi Brian, Thanks a bunch for adding the info. So many grinders to go through and so little time!
Much appreciation!!!
Marc
YES! Thank you Brian!
Marc
Ceado E5P (I think this is cheapest in Ceado line) has push button on/off button below the portafilter holder? How does that work with bottomless protafilter?
Hi Acorn, Yes, the E5P is the least costly of the Ceado grinders. And aside from timing components and manual switch is the same internally as the E6P. But with the PF spout activated switch it is literally painful to use with a bottomless PF. I've done it by pushing the metal rod with a finger. Fine doing on an occasional basis but not something I'd want to do all the time.
Marc
Im in the market for a ceado I have a small shop, would you suggest the j or the s series? Is the 83 mm burs better than the 64 mm burs! Thanks
Hi coffee guy, Thanks for the question. Hard to argue against bigger burrs being better, The do a more consistent grind particle size, dissipate heat better and grind faster! For coffee shop I'd go with the E37S: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ceado-e37-s-electronic-coffee-grinder-in-black
It's also available in a silver finish.
Marc
Why did the 270 WI fine adjustment ring move when you did the first grind with the portafilter (around time 30:34)? Is that loose?
never mind....I found the issue in the comments below....must have missed it earlier.
Hi m, Glad you found what you were looking for! There is a $1 part - the felt friction ring which corrects the issue.
Marc
I think that's also why the weight calculator wasn't correcting itself to be exact, it kept going a bit more coarse which grinds a bit faster, and threw off the calculations, although it's still pretty close.
Hey WLL, is there a solution (gadget maybe) to make Ceado e5p work with a bottomless portafilter?
Hi AG, Would be nice if there was! I use my finger and after awhile it's a PITA! I do not recommend this grinder for those doing a lot of bottomless.
Marc
Is the Sette 30 good to use with an unpressurized basket? there is quite a price jump between the 30 and the 270wi. I'm looking for a decent grinder that isn't going to break my wallet
Hi TMP, Thanks for the question. It is possible to use for unpressurized basket but not highly recommended. It lacks the precise control of grind size one gets with the micro-adjustment on the 270 or 270 Wi. But, you can work around that by slightly up/down dosing the coffee weight if you find yourself wanting to go in between grind sizes on the 30. Also, the grind adjustment assembly found on the the 270 grinders fits perfectly into the 30. So if you want to upgrade to macro/micro down the road you can!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage are there any grinders around that price point worth it for daily espresso?
Hi, It's a bit of a step in price but you go to entry-level machine grade stepless adjustment with the Bezzera BB005: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders/products/bezzera-bb005-automatic-grinder
Marc
Hey Marc, so am looking for an espresso grinder right now and my options are the brevile smart grinder pro, the sette 30. I know the sette 270 is better but its way out of my budget. Right now am using a pressurised cup but soon am changing to the non pressurised. What do u prefer? Or do you think i got any other options? Thanks
Hi Andreas, Thanks for the question. I'd go with the Sette 30. It's not optimal without the micro-adjustment but IMO far better than the SGP. If you wanted, down the road you can upgrade the 30 with the adjustment mechanism of the 270 to get the micro-adjust for ~$90 www.baratza.com/shop/sette-270-270w-adjustment-assembly
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Didn't know you can upgrade the Sette 30 with the 270 micro adjustments, I'm guessing that doesn't exactly turn it into a Sette270 though?
Different internals?
Hey Mark. Could you please suggest me a few grinders for Rocket Appartamento?
Hi k, Thanks for the question. The Baratza Sette 270 or 270 Wi are good choices i high-end appliance grade: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Baratza
If you want a more durable Machine grade grinder the Rocket Faustino is an excellent pairing and stunning with versions not shown in the video which match the side panel design of the Appartamento. See those here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/espresso-grinders?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Rocket%20Espresso
Marc
I have the ceado e6p and the grinds coming out of it are always always clumpy. Idk what’s wrong with it. Any suggestions?
Hi naomi, That's unusual unless you are grinding extra fine or using dark oily beans. It may be you have a partial obstruction of the exit of the grinding chamber due to a coffee grounds clog or the static control flap may be miss-adjusted. You can check for and correct both of these by removing four phillips head screws holding on the black piece which the grounds chute exits through. The static control flap is a thin piece of metal at the exit of the grounds chamber into the silver tube. Clear any accumulated coffee from around or behind the flap. Bending the flap out away from the grinding chamber can help with coffee flow but don't bend too much. Hope that helps!
Marc
Whole Latte Love How far back should it be bent? I’m checking now.
Whole Latte Love I use med roast coffee only.
do you have a variety of gaskets for an Ascaso Dream?
Hi JH, Sorry we do not. Best place to go is the Ascaso site for those parts.
Rocket Faustino or Eureka Mignon Specialita for quility grind for espresso?
Hi J, thanks for the question. The Specialista has 55mm burrs, the Faustino's are 50mm. Bigger burrs are generally better. Personally I'd give up the extra 5mm for the dosing funnel of the Faustino and the over all look - but that's subjective. Also like the larger grind size adjustment knob on the Faustino. At their core they are both Eureka grinders. Hope that helps!
Marc
Great Video. Thank you for taking so much time :-)
Hi b, You are welcome and thank you for taking a moment to leave a comment.
Marc
Would it be possible to open a Canadian warehouse? Avoid duty fees, you have great gear
Hi ML, Thanks for the comment. We are exploring options for better reach into Canada for the friendliest people on earth!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage that’s amazing I would love your products here and to have free shipping
Hey Marc how would the Rocket Fausto and Ceado E37J compare with each other? Opinions or ur pick?
Hi Andy, Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Fausto and E37J: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NjAwNjEwMjA3NSwxNTQ1OTc1ODI0NDQz
It's a close call! Key differences: Fausto has more powerful motor, dosing funnel and the UI is IMO simpler to use. E37J: Very easy to open up for cleaning and no loss of grind size adjustment when opened. No loss on Fausto either but a bit more difficult to open up. Both deliver excellent grind quality. Fausto is easier to make large changes in grind size. If leaving espresso range on the E37J one must remove the adjustment lever. Hope that helps!
Marc
“espresso nerds” thought - is there any logic (another control/complexity) variable-grind for a dose? for example, start 80% too-course and finish 20% finer... sort of a second screen made from coffee
Hi Mark, Hmm... maybe. But I think most would anticipate an unbalanced extraction. The coarse coffee being under-extracted and the fine grounds being over-extracted.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage as àa
Hi Mark, which coffee grinder would you recommend for ~500€
Hi H, Thanks for the question. For a machine grade 63mm burr grinder it's hard to beat the Ceado E5P which I believe is around that number. If comfortable with high-end appliance grade have a look at the Barataza Sette 270 Wi which would be a bit less but does incredibly accurate weight based dosing. The E5P is an on demand grinder with no time or weight based dosing. Hope that helps!
Marc
I want to see the ROK!!
Hi Victor, Have a video on the ROK right here: th-cam.com/video/Dxasj0RszfI/w-d-xo.html
Marc
haha looks like somebody messed with every grind setting on purpose just to make Marc struggle during the live stream
Lol, That was a lot of grinders! and short staffed during early Covid days.
Marc
So i didn't count how many times was said how to deal with static and he never explained that in the video.... that's the biggest problem with most grinders he showed they make a mess on your counter...
Hi TV, Sorry about that... The simple way to deal with static is to get the beans slightly moist just prior to grinding. This can be done using a fine mist sprayer or simply dip a finger in water and stir beans in the hopper with that wet finger prior to grinding. This technique is often called RDT for Ross Droplet Technique. Some grinders produce more static than others and static can be more troublesome in low humidity environments. Hope that helps!
Marc
Thanks much for reply
Why are Sette so loud?
Is there any other grinder that can grind by weight like 270wi? Similar price range
Hi MT, Thanks for the question. It's loud due to its grind straight through design. No other grinder that does automatic programmable grind to weight into portafilter in this price range. The Baratza Vario W: www.wholelattelove.com/products/baratza-vario-w-986-coffee-grinder grinds to weight into a grinds bin but not PF and is more $$.
Marc
Seems like such a waste of coffee dialing in / adjusting the grind.
I always just single dose, nothing in the hopper, so I can adjust the grinder while it's running and no beans being wasted, pull a shot and see how it worked. I don't care if it's really off, I'll still drink it, sometimes you get surprised it can still be really good.
270wi is my sweetspot 😎
Hi it, It does a "fine" job!
Marc
smoked a j first probably and waayyy too much coffee today🙂
Wow, this was streamed today and I just ordered my first espresso maker and grinder before this was streamed! Can't wait to receive my first espresso machine!
Hi Ramjet, Thanks for the comment! Enjoy your new machine and grinder. What did you get?
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I got a Gaggia Classic Pro and a Brattza Sette 270
So many grinders.. i want only 1 😞
Hi Marco, I know decisions!
has anyone heard of timemore black mirror scale? i just bought one off amazon.
How's the scale? Now that it's been 7 months? I think they're good, they look nice and are quick to respond, but big, so might not be ideal for espresso machines on the drip tray weighing your shot as they pour, but still could work.
Go by taste when dialing in and dont worry about time or weight. Just drink good tasting coffee. And stop looking at the lint collection in your belly button.
Lol!
I am just messy like this sometime. wink wink
Lol
I thought the atom went up to 75
Hi Brett, Yes. There are 65mm and 75mm Atom grinders.
Marc
Case in point stop asking mark stupid questions! Lol
lol - thanks!
Marc
Who cares about time of grind in a home grinder, when you almost always weigh the beans first. I only weigh the beans before even putting into the grinder.
Hi Scott, Thanks for the comment. You are correct - not everyone needs timing.
Marc
Hamilton Beach Coffee Bean Grinder .... $20 bucks
K
Whole Latte Love 😂😂😂
Anyone else see the Sette Wi's grind adjustment collar adjust itself when it was running? th-cam.com/video/eFmiVG5wLXs/w-d-xo.html
Hi e, Yes it did! Looks like it's time to install this $1 part to take care of that: www.baratza.com/shop/micro-adjustment-friction-felt
Marc
Those baratza are an abomination to grinders. Anything ceado is A++++
Hi Jesus, Thanks as always for sharing your opinion!
Marc
Whole Latte Love you guys are awesome!!
Not completely know the settings of the machines you’re demonstrating, so you keep adjusting as you go along; which makes you sound unconvincing.
Omgggg
Hi PP, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Yeay always waiting for your video
11 minutes and 50 seconds of intro ! :(
Heard of scrubbing?
In his defence, he was waiting for more people to join the livestream before just going in and starting with barely anyone watching.