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The MSG-90 can get even better with the .308-win conversion as it basically has no downsides. It gets a 2x head multi with no damage changes causing a 1 tap to the head up to 110 studs, velocity goes to 3000 and the only real downside is it’s halfed magazine. I personally prefer that over the base gun.
I ran this conversion for my first 1800 kills, but recently i discovered that in some ways the AP ammo is better. It has way better pen, recoil, and ammo. While it may not do nearly as well close range, it has a 2 tap torso all ranges. Also, Hollow point has the same hits to kill as .308, but with more ammo and less pen/mv, and i believe less recoil. Honestly the 308 conversion is very good, until you unlock AP or Hollow.
Somesteven, try MG42 with hollow point and light bolt. It can 3 shot kill up to 84 studs (all limbs) and 3 shot kill up to 54 studs (all torso), this a direct upgrade to the MG42 in term of damage range, making it very good at CQC combat
"based off stock performance alone" I was hoping he'd at least talk about conversions, the .500 Phantom on the Mk11 is just funny, 1 shot headshots and 1 shot torso on a 275 rpm dmr is great. (would easily bump it up to #1 for me just due to how much fun I have with it)
on that note, ta33 acog is an AWESOME scope for dmrs, it's like a better malcolm and ta44 in one package, very slim scope ring, good midrange zoom, and even if you want to go in full tunnel scope, the bigger fov compared to malcolm really helps.
the sks with full stonk and 366 slugs is literally an m1 garand - wooden, no pistol grip, 10 round stripper clip, semi auto thingy. also has alright damage
I honestly agree with your ranking of vss since it's damage isn't that great at range. I would honestly rank it higher since its fire rate and multipliers (without 7.62 conversion) allows trigger fingers to easily take down enemies at somewhat long ranges. Especially with my main setup: malcolm 3x scope(or acog for lower visual recoil), default barrel, folding grip, and yellow laser, recoil is significantly lower than it's stock version and allows you to farm headshots if you know how to compensate drop due to low velocity. It's currently my favorite DMR since it's high fire rate with great multipliers and immense skill practice allows great substitution for a fast-firing sniper.
Set up I've been watching the channel for a while you NEED to try out the Beowulf TCR with... Binary trigger 5.56x45MM use your own sight and grip Its really good if you can get the trigger timing right
Setup for the sks Sight:red dot(i use no sight) Barrel:muzzle brake Under barrel: angled for better recoil and alright aim speed or skeleton grip for better aim speed but a bit worse recoil Other: your pick( I’m trying to get retract stock) Ammo: 336 shot
Steven, I can agree with the reasons you gave as to why the SA58 SPR is the worst DMR, but I personally love it and I think its one of the most satisfying guns I've used in Phantom Forces. Love the vid as always
Honestly, I do think that the Beowulf TCR could be better. I’d like to see a .300 BLK conversion for it. I generally use the .458 SOCOM conversion because of lower recoil, and higher mag. The only thing it loses is a bit of damage, but it’s basically I laser pointer with the right attachments. I also hope to see an 8.6 BLK DMR soon. That would be awesome.
The MK11 and VSS have been my go to guns when nothing else is felling right that day, however the TCR is good with the .458 SOCOM (11.63×40mmRB). The HK-417 and Scar-H are also good guns for simi-auto LRC with AP and a VCOG 6 or 8X, not only that but they feel better suited in Marksman roles over Automatic Rifleman roles. if you want to make it interesting. use the M16A4 in Simi-auto with AP and a VCOG.
Some Steven didn't get sleep last night remembering my special " fun post" but than he remembered it was my lucky line and after he rolls a customizable karambit, spare and remember my lucky fun post Steven....
TCR isn't really usable in its' stock form, but if you put a binary trigger on it it gets a really interesting gameplay, basically, becoming stock Five-0
I love these types of videos but it would be cool if you did all the conversions stock as well to see how they compare to the original gun and some of the others in the category as some conversions will completely change how the gun works.
In my opinion, the TCR is the GOAT with the conversions. 5.56 plus binary and a macro is literally a better M16. Personally I think DMR's are underused because the majority of players just don't care anymore. This being the same reason I think snipers are underused and why I believe the 50 cals should be removed: the people who don't want to aim just use the BFG, Hecate, NTW, or M107 instead of server hopping unlike how the game used to be.
i know there is a very small chance that you will use this Stoner 96 comp aimpoint (any really but i like that one) pbs-1 suppressor vertical grip any laser or ballistics tracker if you want and tracerless ammo it is not no recoil but it is very minimal recoil
i remember your stream from last night :) you got a custimizable karambit and took my suggestion and turned it into a blue gem :) hope you reach 1m by the end of next year
Hmmm. The DMR, the designated marksman rifle, used by infantry. It is scoped (+), semi-automatic for high rates of fire (+), larger magazine (+), and reduced recoil (win-win.)
Steven, we love you and what you do on TH-cam. We need you to know that. You act effortlessly . Your facts, not necessarily opinions entertain us. Thanks.
Hey something regarding the sks: pso 1 has 8x zoom, and still has no scope sway, AND still has the lower zoom alt option. I run that, muzzle brake/t brake, skeleton grip, and full stock for an all range laser. Obligatory no recoil setup laser
day 2 of asking somesteven to put my setup on the vid and shutting his fridge door -mg36 -kousaku sight -ars surpressor -hera cqr -any laser -armor piercing its not no recoil but its low
Ok ik this might not be for everyone but you should try the beowulf tcr with 5.56 it 4 shots all ranges with 30 rounds and even though its semi its insanely acurate with 2.7k muzzle velocity with the heavy barrel and has decent rpm
(major yap session *non angry*) I always thought the sks was easily the worst out of all the DMRs. I tend to treat it more like a harder hitting semi auto battle rifle than an effectice long range weapon. The SCAR SSR always felt more satisfying to use compared to the SVU. Idk why but that gun is just cursed when i use it and I cannot do with it 😂. I also wouldn't personally rank weapons super heavily on their iron sights because in reality a very small percentage of players use DMRs with ironsights for an extended period of time. But hey, it's a Steven list, so iron sights are gonna matter more I suppose. MK11 🔛🔝 tho
If we were talking about attachments and conversions, 100% the list would be completely different, the only reason I'm including iron sights and suck is because of rating based on stock performance, so I agree that including attachments and stuff would def move things around- however everyone has a different setup, everyone uses different conversions, so it just makes it easier to make a tier list and make the fewest people mad based on something everyone has used- base the base weapon
@@WeeWoo6up Pretty much, I’m only good with carbines, and snipers, sometimes assaults but it has to be a certain gun. Also it’s kind of rude to say skill issue because I’m actually pretty good at the game, everyone has their own preferences and you have to understand that you can’t change that, ok?
So umm I found an actual minigun that isn't unusable. MG3KWS/MG42 (MG42 will have worse recoil obviously) Chainsaw Grip Yellow Laser Muzzle Booster You can use Tracerless or some ammo conversion if you want.
MGV-176 Chainsaw Grip Yellow Laser Muzzle Booster Any ammo type you want. This one is a worse damage but better recoil version of the MG3/42 Lol if u use this I will be so happy. 3rd try of getting in video.
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Steven this is the video u mentioned in the stream "heavily opinion based"
@@zupa811 ?
i made that comment yo make your day a little more exciting
@@MrSpookE3 ??
when the q&a video is gonna drop? its been left over time 😭
The MSG-90 can get even better with the .308-win conversion as it basically has no downsides. It gets a 2x head multi with no damage changes causing a 1 tap to the head up to 110 studs, velocity goes to 3000 and the only real downside is it’s halfed magazine. I personally prefer that over the base gun.
epic
I ran this conversion for my first 1800 kills, but recently i discovered that in some ways the AP ammo is better. It has way better pen, recoil, and ammo. While it may not do nearly as well close range, it has a 2 tap torso all ranges. Also, Hollow point has the same hits to kill as .308, but with more ammo and less pen/mv, and i believe less recoil. Honestly the 308 conversion is very good, until you unlock AP or Hollow.
svds is the best dmr
SVDS is a sniper not a DMR
@@mechanicgaming1031 congrats you read the irony
@@mechanicgaming1031it really flew over your head didnt it?
@@Vxlley sorry I'm just acoustic and I really don't understand jokes bud so..
@@mechanicgaming1031 basically in our irl it is dmr..but games have different opinion
I remember when the Dragonauv used to be a sniper and was even in the sniper category :(
Same
SVU was introduced as an DMR during the early days, then later promoted as a sniper then last year, it demoted back to DMR
Yeah dude, that was like 4 months ago.
Same
0:00 0:02 the sweaty nature of this game or getting prefired by a rank 250 sweat with P90
what?
@@therealadamplayz5752 the moment i hear about pf, i instantly remember how sweaty it is
4:04 BOI What is tht arm pistol 😭😭😭😭
thats the arm pistol setup he used on a video
Somesteven, try MG42 with hollow point and light bolt. It can 3 shot kill up to 84 studs (all limbs) and 3 shot kill up to 54 studs (all torso), this a direct upgrade to the MG42 in term of damage range, making it very good at CQC combat
OK Steven, I have a vid for u, ranking oiled up pf guns from worst to best
"based off stock performance alone" I was hoping he'd at least talk about conversions, the .500 Phantom on the Mk11 is just funny, 1 shot headshots and 1 shot torso on a 275 rpm dmr is great. (would easily bump it up to #1 for me just due to how much fun I have with it)
Yes, I agree with Steven. The MSG90 is the best DMR. GERMAN MADE & STILL IN USE SINCE 1990. Bravo, Steven. You have wunderbar
(wonderful) opinions!
on that note, ta33 acog is an AWESOME scope for dmrs, it's like a better malcolm and ta44 in one package, very slim scope ring, good midrange zoom, and even if you want to go in full tunnel scope, the bigger fov compared to malcolm really helps.
the sks with full stonk and 366 slugs is literally an m1 garand - wooden, no pistol grip, 10 round stripper clip, semi auto thingy. also has alright damage
I honestly agree with your ranking of vss since it's damage isn't that great at range. I would honestly rank it higher since its fire rate and multipliers (without 7.62 conversion) allows trigger fingers to easily take down enemies at somewhat long ranges.
Especially with my main setup: malcolm 3x scope(or acog for lower visual recoil), default barrel, folding grip, and yellow laser, recoil is significantly lower than it's stock version and allows you to farm headshots if you know how to compensate drop due to low velocity.
It's currently my favorite DMR since it's high fire rate with great multipliers and immense skill practice allows great substitution for a fast-firing sniper.
Set up
I've been watching the channel for a while you NEED to try out the Beowulf TCR with...
Binary trigger
5.56x45MM
use your own sight and grip
Its really good if you can get the trigger timing right
Setup for the sks
Sight:red dot(i use no sight)
Barrel:muzzle brake
Under barrel: angled for better recoil and alright aim speed or skeleton grip for better aim speed but a bit worse recoil
Other: your pick( I’m trying to get retract stock)
Ammo: 336 shot
Steven, I can agree with the reasons you gave as to why the SA58 SPR is the worst DMR, but I personally love it and I think its one of the most satisfying guns I've used in Phantom Forces. Love the vid as always
Honestly, I do think that the Beowulf TCR could be better. I’d like to see a .300 BLK conversion for it. I generally use the .458 SOCOM conversion because of lower recoil, and higher mag. The only thing it loses is a bit of damage, but it’s basically I laser pointer with the right attachments.
I also hope to see an 8.6 BLK DMR soon. That would be awesome.
The MK11 and VSS have been my go to guns when nothing else is felling right that day, however the TCR is good with the .458 SOCOM (11.63×40mmRB). The HK-417 and Scar-H are also good guns for simi-auto LRC with AP and a VCOG 6 or 8X, not only that but they feel better suited in Marksman roles over Automatic Rifleman roles. if you want to make it interesting. use the M16A4 in Simi-auto with AP and a VCOG.
Crazy thing is, my camos on my MK11 look basically identical to yours. Pretty sick tbh
Mk11 is my personal favorite. I've been using it since 2017
sks was my first crush
@@FNaFManiac you do you
I think conversion should be included more work but more info
Some Steven didn't get sleep last night remembering my special " fun post" but than he remembered it was my lucky line and after he rolls a customizable karambit, spare and remember my lucky fun post Steven....
TCR isn't really usable in its' stock form, but if you put a binary trigger on it it gets a really interesting gameplay, basically, becoming stock Five-0
What’s binary trigger
sa58 getting snubbed sucks but the points made all make sense so i cant really complain
Can you please make a video where you show the best box where you have the best chance of skins that you can design yourself, I forgot the name ❤❤❤
SL-8 is underated (like all Dmr)
I love these types of videos but it would be cool if you did all the conversions stock as well to see how they compare to the original gun and some of the others in the category as some conversions will completely change how the gun works.
pov: your tired of the “fell off” comments
fun video idea: ranking all the assault rifles in PF BUT reverse the placements...
Phantom horse (when mk11 new model stylis? its a potato rn!)
In my opinion, the TCR is the GOAT with the conversions. 5.56 plus binary and a macro is literally a better M16. Personally I think DMR's are underused because the majority of players just don't care anymore. This being the same reason I think snipers are underused and why I believe the 50 cals should be removed: the people who don't want to aim just use the BFG, Hecate, NTW, or M107 instead of server hopping unlike how the game used to be.
9:05 it can also 2 tap torso all ranges with AP
Use mp5 with long barrel, free scope, grip if your choice, ballistics tracker and plus p ammo
Honestly I was using mk 11 as soon as I unlocked it back in a day and had alot of fun with it
Would agree pre buying MSG90 definitely my loved gun by far in the DMR category.
My personal favorite DMR is the SCAR HAMR
Hey, I met that SPECTRELES guy yesterday! 8:26
i know there is a very small chance that you will use this Stoner 96 comp aimpoint (any really but i like that one) pbs-1 suppressor vertical grip any laser or ballistics tracker if you want and tracerless ammo it is not no recoil but it is very minimal recoil
Mk 11 was better before recoil update
i remember your stream from last night :) you got a custimizable karambit and took my suggestion and turned it into a blue gem :) hope you reach 1m by the end of next year
I think the spr wouldn’t be so low ranked if you used hollows. It kinda makes it very good
Oh Steven, how dare you to put the TCR on the thumbnail as the worst, oh the audacity
Hmmm. The DMR, the designated marksman rifle, used by infantry. It is scoped (+), semi-automatic for high rates of fire (+), larger magazine (+), and reduced recoil (win-win.)
Steven, we love you and what you do on TH-cam. We need you to know that. You act effortlessly . Your facts, not necessarily opinions entertain us. Thanks.
Steven love your vids man i love them all (except for the asmr) setup!!recoil no!!
Personally I think the m4 is the best dmr 💀
Yes.
Just PUT A ACOG SCOPE IN THE SKS AND THATS IT(it's very good with any ACOG scope ngl)
A dub for the Monosodium Glutamate 90
saiga 308 u setup
coyote
muzzle brake
full stock
308 ofc
m17
default
halbeck
green laser or blue
ex mag if you want
Mr Steven, I have a no recoil mp5sd setup for you, coyote sight, long barrel , stubby grip, and blue laser
you should use this setup for your fav dmr
MSG90
Coyote Sight
ARS Suppressor
Romanian Grip
Tri-Laser
Default or Armor Piercing
Bro just press T to change zoom type, it works on every gun that have iron sight like sks
Video idea:
Rank every pistol.
revolvers
machine pistols
etc.
I don't even play phantom force, but i like this guy
Hey something regarding the sks: pso 1 has 8x zoom, and still has no scope sway, AND still has the lower zoom alt option. I run that, muzzle brake/t brake, skeleton grip, and full stock for an all range laser. Obligatory no recoil setup laser
omg funny setup!?
L85A2
barrel: t-break
optic: comp aimpoint
grip: angled grip
other: blue laser
ammo: go crazy
pretty much just a beam, somehow.
Dragunov with 9.6x53 is the best dmr. It can literally one tap torso at close range
now im wating for the ranking of all the ar15/m16 style guns
you forgot to mention how the msg90 two taps all ranges to the torso with AP
Yes, the MSG90 has a high rate of fire, large magazine, and low recoil. The icing, it is German made = quality.
"that loadout that makes the game just a little extra fun?" phantom forces is fun?
vss full auto is amazing on warehouse imo
FINALLY a DMR video 🙏
I agree. I like the German made MSG90 as well.
Somestevem Channal fans: Let us VIEW & LIKE
showing love to this exceptional talent, Steven 😮😊.
Svds is the best BC you can make it svu a and then give it 9x19mm conversion so that's a automatic 70 DMG rifle
hes talking about stock preformance
9:39 im friends with the guy you naded lol
Can u do a vid on the Rama pls im thinking abt prebying
day 2 of asking somesteven to put my setup on the vid and shutting his fridge door
-mg36
-kousaku sight
-ars surpressor
-hera cqr
-any laser
-armor piercing
its not no recoil but its low
Also I’ve lost my “epic skills” in PF, do you have any tips to help me regain those “epic skills”?
Steven deserves better. If you agree, please hit the "LIKE BUTTON."
Somehow, I end up here everyday. If it makes me happy, it cannot be bad!
Day 2 of asking somesteven to continue the 0-100 series
this video kinda made me want to try a dmr...
Same
No recoil.
Zip 22
Any sight
Oil can supresor (trust me)
Sideways grip
Full stock
No ammo
Ah yes sideways and full stock exist on zip 22! Totally!
Ok ik this might not be for everyone but you should try the beowulf tcr with 5.56 it 4 shots all ranges with 30 rounds and even though its semi its insanely acurate with 2.7k muzzle velocity with the heavy barrel and has decent rpm
(major yap session *non angry*)
I always thought the sks was easily the worst out of all the DMRs. I tend to treat it more like a harder hitting semi auto battle rifle than an effectice long range weapon.
The SCAR SSR always felt more satisfying to use compared to the SVU. Idk why but that gun is just cursed when i use it and I cannot do with it 😂.
I also wouldn't personally rank weapons super heavily on their iron sights because in reality a very small percentage of players use DMRs with ironsights for an extended period of time.
But hey, it's a Steven list, so iron sights are gonna matter more I suppose.
MK11 🔛🔝 tho
If we were talking about attachments and conversions, 100% the list would be completely different, the only reason I'm including iron sights and suck is because of rating based on stock performance, so I agree that including attachments and stuff would def move things around- however everyone has a different setup, everyone uses different conversions, so it just makes it easier to make a tier list and make the fewest people mad based on something everyone has used- base the base weapon
msg90 is just insanely efficient
Its German-made = quality 😊 !
My top 3 vss dragnov sks and the gun I hate the most is the Sl-8 I don't know why but I can't do a single kill with it
Literally insane unexpected no recoil setup:
AK12BR
Double yellow laser
Comp aimpoint
Halbek device
Armor piercing
Trying to get every skin for the MK11, wish me luck folks. Doin the same for the G21
The dragunov sucks when you have no attachments in my opinion
cap
Skill issue ngl
@@WeeWoo6up Pretty much, I’m only good with carbines, and snipers, sometimes assaults but it has to be a certain gun. Also it’s kind of rude to say skill issue because I’m actually pretty good at the game, everyone has their own preferences and you have to understand that you can’t change that, ok?
I just killed a player at 495 studs while no scoping with a g50. I killed by headshot. I can think am good to game now.
Did you put the 38 minimum correction in the wrong place, it feels like it should be in the vss section
did i rly forget to slide over the 38 minimum damage text 💀
Funny enough after the BFG50 rhe MK11 is my highest kill gun 😅
Steven do you have the Official Spezi sheet? It has all the best attachments and guns labeled out.
Mk 11 is the best dmr. And for me its the best gun in the game and i have 10k kills on it.
I used the vss at my first 100 kill game
So umm I found an actual minigun that isn't unusable.
MG3KWS/MG42 (MG42 will have worse recoil obviously)
Chainsaw Grip
Yellow Laser
Muzzle Booster
You can use Tracerless or some ammo conversion if you want.
MGV-176
Chainsaw Grip
Yellow Laser
Muzzle Booster
Any ammo type you want.
This one is a worse damage but better recoil version of the MG3/42
Lol if u use this I will be so happy.
3rd try of getting in video.
How does no one know about the phantom rounds on the mk11 that makes it a one shot body, short to medium range and a 1 shot headshot all ranges.
tcr is rlly good but the bouncy recoil just kinda make it a bit worse
If you want my honest opinion on this game I only play it for the weapon/melee customization 😭
my top 1: TCR WITH BINARY and JITTERCLICK HEHEHEH
hey steven i have a good no recoil setup pls try it! anyways stoner 96 comp angled yellow laser and armor piercing
I have waited..
mk11 my fav gun i got like 800 kills on it
hii steven, i love your content, i see you from yrs, can u make a video for best guns to lvl up
Please include the conversions next time
MSG90 is the goated DMR
It's German made = quality!
M21 can 2sk all ranges with AP ammo, try it out :)
MSG 90 does the same with ap duh
@@arbuz6075 doesn't it shoot slower and not 1sk to the head?
@@Basil_Nyth MSG90's firerate is 360 rpm. But yeah, it can't oneshot to the head with AP
@@arbuz6075 ah, I prefer the 1sk head so that it's viable up close.
The only thing i disagree with the list is the sks being above the sa58 but its your opinion 🤣
count your days steven the sa58 is good