Honestly, mid video when both Asmon and Rev leap out of the screen to fight Papa Gut for his iconic 28 buckets of fried chicken, that’s when I knew... they were besties.
1:09:25 I have lost all respect for Asmond after this. Granted, I never did but the fact he calls the girl a creep for liking a ADULT rabbit anthro character but doesn't keep that same energy for a grown ass man in his 30s pretending to be a 7 YEAR OLD GIRL is INSANE!!! His whole reaction offers no nuisance or pushback on anything Rev the PDF file says. Hot take, but this is worse than his Palestine take, because at least I understand where he's coming from, but this reaction shows his lack of integrity.
I just want to throw out there that Full Metal Alchemist is one of the greatest shows/anime of all time... actually adult writing that doesn't over sexualize everyone. There is one gooner episode to it's name (if you've seen it you know the one) and it has an incredible ending.
Yeah, I don't think she's a coward for taking it down, at all. The stalking and harassment from that online community, the anime community and the loli community separately are scary an unhinged especially since the guy framed it as if she were attacking ALL anime and manga in general. Obviously I don't know the exact reason she took it down but the degree of abuse and disgusting attacks that I've seen online from them is so disturbing that it seems pretty likely it was for that reason. They'll spam you, hunt you down on every platform, dox you, your family, threaten and harass you until you have no other option to delete just to stop the insanity. And especially when it's a smaller creator, those people get downright scary. Definitely not the whole community is like that but the small percentage online are so determined to make people's lives a living hell if anyone dares to criticize their interests. It's weird.
@@JohnSmith-zb7ri She wasn't being racist. Acknowledging sexual assault as an issue in Japan isn't the same as saying Japanese men are genetically inclined to do harm onto women. There is an issue with brutality against women in India, does me understanding that fact make me racist against the majority that live there? Absolutely not
Asmon has been really taking some really weird sides lately first saying it’s a big woke conspiracy that companies took they’re ads of twitter and now choosing to ignore the drawn child porn and act like she’s talking about ALL anime
This started from a chapter in dandadan, no porn just a character being nude where the scene was supposed to be embarrassing as they run away. She 100% means more than "drawn child porn" since to her drawn child porn includes gags in normal manga not intended to be pornographic in the slightest.
@@LoopyDreamz775 yes, solid show I haven't watched the anime yet but the animation looks great (I read the manga which is what she was looking at in her video that kicked this whole thing off)
This is by far the most embarrassing humiliating unintelligent look for Asmon that I’ve ever seen tbh. It may be the worst video he’s ever made. I genuinely can’t ever take him seriously again after that reaction
@@ChronarGaming that argument only works if we agree we are looking at a man and therefore the person would be gay. The point of contention is whether or not such characters can be called children and therefore if being attracted to them makes you a pedophile. If a man says they are attracted to something because it looks like a man to them then they are gay, but if they think it looks like a woman they would be straight. If someone's looks at loli and they like it because it looks like a child then that would be pedophilic, but if they don't then I fail to see the reasoning behind calling that pedophilia. And to be clear this is in the context of anime drawings, not hyper realistic renderings where it's much easier to differentiate between real life and completely fictional characters with no mistake that they are not real.
You are 100% correct to critique Japan. They are rated as the worse of the G7 nations when it comes to gender equality, with rape not being counted as rape if the woman does not fight back, shaming of women who do get violated, and a massive over sexualization of young characters. It is only recently that they raised the age of consent, and like the Middle East they push for gay people to transition rather than being gay, which is shamed greatly. Their court system is a hybrid of a civil and common system, but is far more strict. The lawyers there are not to protect you but advise you as to which plea deal to take. This praise of Japan as some heavenly place comes from people who barely understand the culture and only know the surface level “UWU so cute” anime. Like it’s still legal to have “Japanese only signs” for business, with racism being a massive problem, especially for black individuals. They have the highest suicide stat because they are pushed to bully anyone outside the norm, and the bullying goes to bringing shame on your family. There is a ton to critique Japan for and I’m barely scratching the surface.
It's fair to criticise Japan but for me the problem lies in her belief that the solution would be censoring anime/manga. America has arguably the best standard for people and yet has less restrictions on media than japan. It's fine to criticise Japanese culture and problems with the country, but her criticisms seem far less about improving Japan and more so about morally policing media she personally dislikes. These are seperate issues, if you want to censor stuff you dislike then simply say so but invoking Japanese culture as your reason for going on moral crusades makes no sense to me. You can criticise both seperately but I see no logic in saying more anime and manga need to be censored to solve japan's cultural issues. If arguably the best country in the world can do it without infringing on freedom of speech there's no reason the same shouldn't apply to any other country.
@@EyesDontCry USA doesn’t have the same issue. If they did then censoring would be correct to try and stop that behavior. Exposing people and kids to degenerate themes as a child is wrong. Much of this culture is built into the anime, mainly due to low amount of reproduction taking place due to the high stresses 45-60 hour standard work week. As such, they push sexual themes in a bid to increase reproductive rates, only to increase violence towards women. Absolutely you should restrict the sale and reach of this content and the same should occur online in the US. Why are you watering down what it is? L0li is pedophilic. It’s named after a book where a man molests a 13 year old girl name Lolita (which is also where the name for Epstein’s Plane The Lolita Express came from). Don’t defend it, you don’t have to.
This is my first time hearing “Japanese only” And the fact Japanese are racist against black people? I thought they just dislike foreigners in general? Wouldn’t say it’s racism more Xenophobic.
I went to Japan for 2 and a half weeks recently and I 100% agree. It pisses me off when you bring up legitimate issues with the country and people defend it who 1. Don’t speak Japanese fluently 2. Have never been there and if they were, never went outside of tourist spots and cities like shinjuku, asabusa, harajuku 3. Have a bias due to media 4. Don’t address the problems in their own country.
I'm pretty sure there is a difference between loli and Lolita fashion, Lolita fashion typically consists of more Gothic and retro clothing like frilly dresses and lacy stuff or whatever. That being said it still shouldn't be sexualized since it is loosely based off of dressing "younger"
The term Lolita literally comes from a book about a grown man who exploits a 12 year old, but in his mind they are falling in love. Rev is so disingenuous it's actually insane the amount of lies he's jumps through to justify his addiction
That's etymology, it's unrelated to actual usage since words evolve over time. Queer used to simply mean wierd, I wouldn't imply it only means weird today when evidently it is not. Loli isn't even the same word as lolita in the first place, but in the same way lolita fashion has no direct relation to children neither does loli. There's potential overlap 100% but it's more nuanced than "loli = child". Though I agree that people who think this is a relevant argument are just stupid , it's fine if loli doesn't mean child but that has nothing to do with the actual moral discussion and more a semantic one than anything.
@EyesDontCry In Japanese popular culture, lolicon is a genre of fictional media which focuses on young girl characters, particularly in a sexually suggestive or erotic manner. The term, a portmanteau of the English-language phrase "Lolita complex", also refers to desire and affection for such characters, and their fans. Wikipedia
@@StrawHatZethy yes I know the Wikipedia definition the most reliable resource on anime and Japanese culture. I already agree there is overlap I'm telling you it's not exclusive. If you had spent time in these communities (which I'm not asking you to do) you would see there is far more to it. People use loli to describe short anime girls usually with a moe aesthetic. This can include child characters but not always and include non child characters. Tatsumaki and Rebecca from cyberpunk edgerunners are the most popular examples of loli characters that are not children. There's no hard set definition really, these are ultimately slang terms from Japan being appropriated by English speaking people but the widely accepted usage of the word is not meant to imply simply "child" it includes a wide variety of characters again usually embodying moe aesthetic who are particularly short.
Ok kinda true but right now it mostly means "little girl" Unless the little girl is exploited. I don't see a problem with a loli character. There's A TON of anime with Lolis or Shotas (male equivalent) where they are not used like in the novel or explicitly. I'm pretty sure that in the novel the guy is not presented as a good guy. Also Lolicon when used in anime is ALWAYS treated as BAD. In anime it's another term for pedfile ( Literally how it is used) It's important not to lump "loli" & "lolicon" together
@@yugoxgc the guy in lolita is most definitely treated as bad, the point of the book is that you read it from his perspective and you see all of his twisted interpretations of his relationship. Lolicon can be used to mean pedophile in anime but outside of that you would not refer to a real person in Japan as a lolicon for liking children so no it does not mean the same thing as pedophile. You don't know much of what you are talking about self evidently but that's fine most people who engage with the topic don't and that's fair.
@johnnyflannigan136 If you can't say he's a complete moron who only aligns his opinions based on his audience/his political beliefs after THIS VIDEO; You're being way too charitable
Or in simpler terms he's said things you agree with and things you don't. Nothing changed he's just a different person than you it's normal to disagree and agree with people on different things.
This Rev guy once made a video complaining about "woke twitter artists try to fix characters", and ended up looking stupid because it was just an artist into BBW lood art.
Papa gut put into word to why i don't like asmond anymore. He's completly dis-engage when people who he doesn't like make a good point and then explote with laughter and mockery when they saying something stupid. AND THEN has the gall to say "i'm always fair" like STFU.
Used to quite enjoy asmon, but the dude is chronically on twitter. It's rotting his brain. He genuinely believes twitter is the best platform because it's a "true reflection of who people are". His TH-cam channel is just all trump and DEI. When ever he has a point to make he just brings up a tweet to validate him self. Feelings about the guy and the topics aside, that is just dangerous.
A note I will add: Asmon thinks lolicon is weird; and, as stated here (or in another video), wouldn't want his (hypothetical) kids babysat by someone into loli. He doesn't use correlation = causation for pedos with loli... but he has strong suspicions.
Asmon is also really annoying with his defense of men being attracted to teenage girls (not explicitly underaged, but he wouldn't say that publicly whether he believed it or not) by constantly insisting on claims like "that's just how the world is and always has been-- the younger a woman is, the more attractive men will find her." He always appeals to awful views that he claims other people hold in response to people calling out those types of views, as if they're somehow mistaken for criticizing it on the basis that all these supposed people to whom he is appealing are in support of it.
i was just thinking about this today. he'll say something like "well thats just how people are" or "a lot of people think this way" as if that somehow justifies anything or is enough to be a standalone argument. he will explicitly say he is against the bad thing he is reacting to, then spend 95% of the rest of the video attacking the moral/ factual claim while giving the immoral side a pass and even laughing with that side. classic do as i say not as i do scenario
His take on that was women in their 20s are selected as most attractive by every male age group in every survey. That was a bad example, when he has so many good ones to use.
PG, you’re quick to jump to conclusions. Assuming a list of annual rapes per country is ordered without verifying is a wild leap. For context, Ireland reports 22 per 100,000, while the U.S. has nearly double at 42. Ireland also surpasses the U.S. in GDP per capita ($103,684 vs. $81,695) and ranks higher on safety indices. Yet, you dismissed this to criticize Ireland based on a misread graph. While the U.S. isn’t the best country in the world, it might be the best large country. Managing a large nation comes with unique challenges compared to smaller ones. However, the countries consistently ranked as the best-like the Scandinavian nations, Canada, or Switzerland-are not the U.S.
One anime/manga that blatantly promotes raping women is, Redo of a Healer where the MC gets revenge on the people who wronged him by raping, torturing, brainwashing, them and the majority of the targets are young girls. The women took it down because hate she got was bad for her mental health.
Wait a minute wasn't the MC raped, tortured, and brainwashed by the same person who did that to him. Also, most of the audience seemed to be women because the author was interviewed and said most of the audience were women.
I went to the RevSaysDeyu video and all the comments in there were people who thought they were under attack because they watch anime. Kind of baffling they didn’t get the point of the video.
Crazy how Rev seems to be “under the radar” when it comes to public internet weridos, I’ve seen other people get harassed for basically nothing compared to him.
I genuinely used to think asmongold was a normal person who just looks a bit unusual similar to moist critikal. The past two months are funny with that context.
Legit 10 secs in, loli (cartoon cp) and LOLITA (fashion) are different and are very much spelled and said differently. Now, the meaning of the word is . . . interesting but the fashion is seemingly harmless.
@Guts124 Cool fantasy bro, but when you wanna come back to reality, how about talking about the guy with a child vtuber avatar calling the EU a crime org for wanting to censor drawn cp
Can't say I like RevSaysDesu, but Asmongold really didn't say anything in this that seems like "siding with lolicon." He seems like he's only here to defend his own original reasoning for saying what he said about censorship with credit card companies.
He attacked the furry with a lolicon right there on the screen and said nothing about them and siding with everything he said. That's his criticism against asmon
Not gonna lie. There was a lot of hypocrisy and ignorant takes coming from you as well in this vid. You’re really coming at this from the mindset of “America is correct. Everyone else is wrong and should play by our rules”. I know you said you love the country and are a patriot and all that, but I don’t think that should mean blindly deciding America’s ways should be the worlds ways. You also said everything is gonna have some bad apples in it, but didn’t apply that argument to Japan, instead saying anyone who partakes in loli stuff should be on a list and whatever else.
Funny how he's hung up on loli, but considering his comment section, these freaks defend woke, which is 21 century Chinese Communism. And if you know Communists, some of which ALWAYS advocated having sex with children because the right to consent has to be abolished in order for that to happen. That's an ahistorical fact.
There are tons of issues with every group involved really including takes on this video. For one, it's always nuanced in where that gray line comes in. Loli in itself isn't even bad nor evil. Loli is simply a young- or young-looking character. There's nothing wrong with this. Plenty of media portray and or have said characters. Look at Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network etc for similar characters like anime. It's when they become sexualized is when it becomes lolicon. You can find loli cute and or endearing and it is not sexual in nature. It's when you start becoming obsessed or overly attracted to it is the problem. Seeking out dirty pics of loli characters is a problem. Anime that does this to underaged characters is a problem simply because it desensitizes people into believing it's not bad or even leads them to committing crimes due to perversion and or poor mental health. That being said, context to these things happening is very circumstantial. Seeing two underaged characters make out much like real life people should be okay under the circumstance of their dating or interested in one another. That's normal and happens all the time. Having that in media shouldn't be an issue. It's showing them fully unclothed, etc where that line likely should've been crossed. I think trying to strong arm another culture to shift its media is silly. So long as limitations or guidelines are enforced to ensure the safety and mental health of people. (Or in the case of, of aged characters whom simply petite) have the proper age viewing restrictions.
You aren't wrong in theory assuming we all could unanimously agree on what an underage character is. Art is more complicated, it's much easier to interpret in different ways and much harder to say it will cause you to commit crimes. You might say a character looks like a child but I can just disagree and there's little that can be done there. There's no evidence you can provide that says yes this drawing is a child, it's just interpretation. Beyond that the implication that these things increase crime is unfounded and actually against the research conducted in related areas. Research on violent fictional media shows no evidence that watching violent moviees or playing violent games leads to increased real world violent crime. The best you can find is correlational studies showing alot of prisoners of violent crimes having played violent games alot in their youth, but this doesn't really help show causation since violent games are already popular in the first place and it's easy to post that they could have been drawn to the violent games as a result of existing violent tendency brought on by an unstable home life and other confounding variables. And in the case of porn and even child porn, countries which had this legalised saw decreased crime rates. Now obviously that's not reasoning to legalise child porn but the assertion that drawings, where there are no victims and no actual harm occurring, being banned would improve japan's treatment of women and sex crimes is a baseless assertion. It's already perfectly legal in America, I wouldn't blame it for any issues we have here or try to imply banning it would help. If you want to solve problems, you need evidence that your solutions will actually improve said problems and in this case the evidence suggest it would not in this regard while having unnecessary limitations on freedom of speech.
@@EyesDontCryThe issue with this subject is everyone who says, "OMG! LOLI IS CHILD," ends up being someone who sexually assaulted real children and are trying to compensate for the fact how bad they are. I forgot that one youtuber, did a video talking about how loli and incest in anime is disturbing, but literally has a video defending Cuties. And considering most of the people here defend woke, which is 21st century Chinese Communism, and figureheads who advocated fit Communism usually advocate having sex with children, I won't jump to conclusions, but to be far, this side isn't as Simple and Clean as Utada. One, you're looking at an abstract and saying it has the same psychological effects as watching a real child with no proof. That's like saying playing Pokemon Red/Blue slot machines can lead to gambling addictions, when the abstraction literally has a control mechanism that allows the player to control the outcome of the reel. Real slot machines don't do that. They may adjust the algorithm a bit, but full on control at the press of a button on each reel? I'd bankrupt a casino for real because I'm good at those games. And another reason I find this side hard to believe is every anti loli has the same arguments. That's when I know it's an echo chamber. Mentioning the book Lolita while conflating Lolita and loli are the same word is like saying nigaru(run) and knee grow(term used for blacks)are the same because they almost sound alike. On top of leaving out the fact the book was written by a Russian author, trying to imply Japan wrote the book because loli derives from Lolita, but without saying it. Another aspect that's been debunked is it gives incentives to commit real crimes. Studies have shown video games do not encourage violence nor have any links, yet these morons are running on 90s Republican talking points for loli. He's looking at Japan's SA statistics and marrying them to loli, when loli has a history within Japan way back in the 1800s. Want to know why tentacles is such a staple? It's because artists back then were banned from drawing pengus, and to get around that censorship, they drew tentacles. Loli isn't the progenitor of SA, if it were, countries outside of Japan would have lower SA counts. And here's the biggest hypocrisy from Papa Gut. He wants to change the entire infrastructure of Japan anime, but not black culture? The same culture that glorifies promiscuity. The same culture where Charlamagne The God can literally say he SA a minor on air and not get clapback? The same culture that cultivated R. Kelly, Drake, Diddy, Beyonce, and that whole circle. He probably mentioned that at some point, but probably didn't go that hard in it like he does Japan.
Nah, I disagree on the cc thing. The cc company should function like a financial institution/bank not like a vendor. If I'm borrowing money from them and they've already deemed me capable of paying them back (by approving me for the card and continuing allowing me to use it) then they should have no right to tell me how to spend that money. If the gov. wants to step in and say i cant use my money on x (like drugs) then so be it, but that shouldn't be on the CC companies or other middlemen like PayPal. Especially when they work like oligarchies. Like what if your boss starts moral policing you since they're signing your paychecks, money that came from their business.
Sheesh. What is with these personal attacks on Asmongold? Your points would be better without them. You sound like the usual twitter mob going after him. Personally attacking Asmongold for joking with his audience about a video he thinks misrepresented him in his stances is just stupid.
I agree, asmon's points would have been better made without all the personal attacks. He didn't even watch the video that criticized him and he should definitely try to be better about not misrepresenting the videos he's watching in the future. Good points!
If you look at revs avi and see a 5 year old or a child in general i think thats a you problem. To me when i see that avi i either think of a petite woman or since rev is a guy maybe its a femboy. Nothing about his design scream child to me
@@meatman585 you said "offspring" which implies weaboos came from furries or atleast follow on from them. Weaboos are older than furries, so they are not offspring that's all I'm pointing out.
@@EyesDontCry I mean, fair enough, I guess. All I'm saying is that I think weebs are starting to go out the same way furries did a while ago. There, getting bullied into irrelevancy is what I mean
@@meatman585 again weebs have been bullied for liking anime for decades, anime only got partly mainstream recently. I'm not trying to be mean but this is really obvious stuff
This is why there’s a male loneliness epidemic
Honestly, mid video when both Asmon and Rev leap out of the screen to fight Papa Gut for his iconic 28 buckets of fried chicken, that’s when I knew... they were besties.
Incredible
This was so unhinged
Papagut i too am disgusted with the lack of bbw milfs in anime you should really get on that
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You're not looking hard enough. There's SO many milfs in anime. Unfortunately, a lot of it is shota... so the same problem in reverse.
I'm honestly just waiting for rev & Papa gut to collide in some conversation/debate in the future.
Honestly idek if we can really say she’s a furry. She said smash to the bunny mainly cuz it’s voiced by Hugh Jackman from what it sounds like.
1:09:25 I have lost all respect for Asmond after this. Granted, I never did but the fact he calls the girl a creep for liking a ADULT rabbit anthro character but doesn't keep that same energy for a grown ass man in his 30s pretending to be a 7 YEAR OLD GIRL is INSANE!!! His whole reaction offers no nuisance or pushback on anything Rev the PDF file says. Hot take, but this is worse than his Palestine take, because at least I understand where he's coming from, but this reaction shows his lack of integrity.
My man look in the damn mirror lol. You got nothing but young girls in your profile pic and video section. By that logic you too are a pdf enabler.
Has asmongold ever taken a W? Jesus Christ 😭
He’s so dumb
every glad he was boosted to by viewers in wow ig
back in the day in 2016 , he was a rare smart trump supported
He's a millionaire so yes his entire life is a W.
I just want to throw out there that Full Metal Alchemist is one of the greatest shows/anime of all time... actually adult writing that doesn't over sexualize everyone. There is one gooner episode to it's name (if you've seen it you know the one) and it has an incredible ending.
Yeah, I don't think she's a coward for taking it down, at all. The stalking and harassment from that online community, the anime community and the loli community separately are scary an unhinged especially since the guy framed it as if she were attacking ALL anime and manga in general. Obviously I don't know the exact reason she took it down but the degree of abuse and disgusting attacks that I've seen online from them is so disturbing that it seems pretty likely it was for that reason. They'll spam you, hunt you down on every platform, dox you, your family, threaten and harass you until you have no other option to delete just to stop the insanity. And especially when it's a smaller creator, those people get downright scary. Definitely not the whole community is like that but the small percentage online are so determined to make people's lives a living hell if anyone dares to criticize their interests. It's weird.
These people unemployedmaxxing in every single corner of the internet that either criticize Rev or Asmon or whoever they react to negatively
As soon as Asmon heard "this girl attacked Asmongold" he instantly sided with the 40 year old with a child avatar. Amazing.
Girl was racist though. Thats why. Its not difficult to comprehed
@@JohnSmith-zb7ri She wasn't being racist. Acknowledging sexual assault as an issue in Japan isn't the same as saying Japanese men are genetically inclined to do harm onto women. There is an issue with brutality against women in India, does me understanding that fact make me racist against the majority that live there? Absolutely not
@JohnSmith-zb7ri how was she racist?
@@champagnefreddy2108look at his name lol definitely rage bait don’t even entertain him
@@champagnefreddy2108 Implying Japanese are predatory meanwhile if you compare and contrast her country hers is a magnitude higher.
It is crazy work to demonize furries when you’re clearly a degenerate lolicon lmao
Its crazy to demonize loli when your a degenerate furry.
If being ok with loli makes you a pedo then being a furry makes you a zoophile
Asmon has been really taking some really weird sides lately first saying it’s a big woke conspiracy that companies took they’re ads of twitter and now choosing to ignore the drawn child porn and act like she’s talking about ALL anime
He knows what the awful audience he's cultivated wants.
She is talking about all anime. She complained about Dandadan's and called him a pedo. Also, lolicon is not CSEM.
This started from a chapter in dandadan, no porn just a character being nude where the scene was supposed to be embarrassing as they run away.
She 100% means more than "drawn child porn" since to her drawn child porn includes gags in normal manga not intended to be pornographic in the slightest.
@@EyesDontCry
Dandandan is the anime about teens, ghost and aliens right?
@@LoopyDreamz775 yes, solid show I haven't watched the anime yet but the animation looks great (I read the manga which is what she was looking at in her video that kicked this whole thing off)
Dude my coworker was listening to this Asmongolds stream at work lol
Holy based
Asmon defending lolicons? Asmon's mold has infected his brain
Like Re7?
This is by far the most embarrassing humiliating unintelligent look for Asmon that I’ve ever seen tbh. It may be the worst video he’s ever made. I genuinely can’t ever take him seriously again after that reaction
What's wrong with cute and funny art?
@@TurtleChad1 if you are gooning to muscular, oily men, you are still gay even if its just drawings. same with loli
@@ChronarGaming none of this is true. Your conservative Christian is showing.
@@TurtleChad1 Never seen you respond to so many comments before. Got a feeling you aren't being a joking troll this time and that's really disturbing
@@ChronarGaming that argument only works if we agree we are looking at a man and therefore the person would be gay.
The point of contention is whether or not such characters can be called children and therefore if being attracted to them makes you a pedophile.
If a man says they are attracted to something because it looks like a man to them then they are gay, but if they think it looks like a woman they would be straight.
If someone's looks at loli and they like it because it looks like a child then that would be pedophilic, but if they don't then I fail to see the reasoning behind calling that pedophilia.
And to be clear this is in the context of anime drawings, not hyper realistic renderings where it's much easier to differentiate between real life and completely fictional characters with no mistake that they are not real.
RevSaysDesu is a pwedator. Just because they keep it contained to a screen doesn't mean it's okay.
Edited to make everyone mad
You have evidence for this?
@@TurtleChad1you’re a pred too weirdo
Can you name the victim? Do you know the definition of the word predator?
Meh he's a 30yr old loli vtuber
@@2010Failbrids appealing to kids as a sexual deviant is bad.
Thank you for covering this.
You are 100% correct to critique Japan. They are rated as the worse of the G7 nations when it comes to gender equality, with rape not being counted as rape if the woman does not fight back, shaming of women who do get violated, and a massive over sexualization of young characters. It is only recently that they raised the age of consent, and like the Middle East they push for gay people to transition rather than being gay, which is shamed greatly. Their court system is a hybrid of a civil and common system, but is far more strict. The lawyers there are not to protect you but advise you as to which plea deal to take. This praise of Japan as some heavenly place comes from people who barely understand the culture and only know the surface level “UWU so cute” anime. Like it’s still legal to have “Japanese only signs” for business, with racism being a massive problem, especially for black individuals. They have the highest suicide stat because they are pushed to bully anyone outside the norm, and the bullying goes to bringing shame on your family. There is a ton to critique Japan for and I’m barely scratching the surface.
It's fair to criticise Japan but for me the problem lies in her belief that the solution would be censoring anime/manga.
America has arguably the best standard for people and yet has less restrictions on media than japan.
It's fine to criticise Japanese culture and problems with the country, but her criticisms seem far less about improving Japan and more so about morally policing media she personally dislikes.
These are seperate issues, if you want to censor stuff you dislike then simply say so but invoking Japanese culture as your reason for going on moral crusades makes no sense to me. You can criticise both seperately but I see no logic in saying more anime and manga need to be censored to solve japan's cultural issues. If arguably the best country in the world can do it without infringing on freedom of speech there's no reason the same shouldn't apply to any other country.
@@EyesDontCry USA doesn’t have the same issue. If they did then censoring would be correct to try and stop that behavior. Exposing people and kids to degenerate themes as a child is wrong. Much of this culture is built into the anime, mainly due to low amount of reproduction taking place due to the high stresses 45-60 hour standard work week. As such, they push sexual themes in a bid to increase reproductive rates, only to increase violence towards women. Absolutely you should restrict the sale and reach of this content and the same should occur online in the US. Why are you watering down what it is? L0li is pedophilic. It’s named after a book where a man molests a 13 year old girl name Lolita (which is also where the name for Epstein’s Plane The Lolita Express came from). Don’t defend it, you don’t have to.
@@nerd7834Loli is not pedophilic. It's fiction. Do you have any evidence to back this up?
This is my first time hearing “Japanese only”
And the fact Japanese are racist against black people?
I thought they just dislike foreigners in general? Wouldn’t say it’s racism more Xenophobic.
I went to Japan for 2 and a half weeks recently and I 100% agree.
It pisses me off when you bring up legitimate issues with the country and people defend it who
1. Don’t speak Japanese fluently
2. Have never been there and if they were, never went outside of tourist spots and cities like shinjuku, asabusa, harajuku
3. Have a bias due to media
4. Don’t address the problems in their own country.
I'm pretty sure there is a difference between loli and Lolita fashion, Lolita fashion typically consists of more Gothic and retro clothing like frilly dresses and lacy stuff or whatever. That being said it still shouldn't be sexualized since it is loosely based off of dressing "younger"
The term Lolita literally comes from a book about a grown man who exploits a 12 year old, but in his mind they are falling in love. Rev is so disingenuous it's actually insane the amount of lies he's jumps through to justify his addiction
That's etymology, it's unrelated to actual usage since words evolve over time.
Queer used to simply mean wierd, I wouldn't imply it only means weird today when evidently it is not.
Loli isn't even the same word as lolita in the first place, but in the same way lolita fashion has no direct relation to children neither does loli. There's potential overlap 100% but it's more nuanced than "loli = child".
Though I agree that people who think this is a relevant argument are just stupid , it's fine if loli doesn't mean child but that has nothing to do with the actual moral discussion and more a semantic one than anything.
@EyesDontCry In Japanese popular culture, lolicon is a genre of fictional media which focuses on young girl characters, particularly in a sexually suggestive or erotic manner. The term, a portmanteau of the English-language phrase "Lolita complex", also refers to desire and affection for such characters, and their fans. Wikipedia
@@StrawHatZethy yes I know the Wikipedia definition the most reliable resource on anime and Japanese culture.
I already agree there is overlap I'm telling you it's not exclusive. If you had spent time in these communities (which I'm not asking you to do) you would see there is far more to it. People use loli to describe short anime girls usually with a moe aesthetic.
This can include child characters but not always and include non child characters. Tatsumaki and Rebecca from cyberpunk edgerunners are the most popular examples of loli characters that are not children.
There's no hard set definition really, these are ultimately slang terms from Japan being appropriated by English speaking people but the widely accepted usage of the word is not meant to imply simply "child" it includes a wide variety of characters again usually embodying moe aesthetic who are particularly short.
Ok kinda true but right now it mostly means "little girl"
Unless the little girl is exploited. I don't see a problem with a loli character.
There's A TON of anime with Lolis or Shotas (male equivalent) where they are not used like in the novel or explicitly.
I'm pretty sure that in the novel the guy is not presented as a good guy.
Also Lolicon when used in anime is ALWAYS treated as BAD.
In anime it's another term for pedfile ( Literally how it is used)
It's important not to lump "loli" & "lolicon" together
@@yugoxgc the guy in lolita is most definitely treated as bad, the point of the book is that you read it from his perspective and you see all of his twisted interpretations of his relationship.
Lolicon can be used to mean pedophile in anime but outside of that you would not refer to a real person in Japan as a lolicon for liking children so no it does not mean the same thing as pedophile.
You don't know much of what you are talking about self evidently but that's fine most people who engage with the topic don't and that's fair.
I remember you used to say Asmongold was a decently intelligent guy with some good takes. Didn't age well lol.
I wanna be clear I'm not saying you were wrong before
@@JohnnyJohnnyJohnnyJohnnyJohnnyasmon is decently intelligent with good takes.... Also some bad takes... Duh
@johnnyflannigan136 If you can't say he's a complete moron who only aligns his opinions based on his audience/his political beliefs after THIS VIDEO; You're being way too charitable
Or in simpler terms he's said things you agree with and things you don't. Nothing changed he's just a different person than you it's normal to disagree and agree with people on different things.
Yeah some good takes on certain things , not on cp tho lol
asmon is turning into weird af right wing hobo jesus
Turning? Brother, he's already there.
55:53 ya know Asmongold I thought that cave men went extinct too, but you’re here soooo…
This Rev guy once made a video complaining about "woke twitter artists try to fix characters", and ended up looking stupid because it was just an artist into BBW lood art.
These are truly the degenerates of time
Aren’t we all
@squall-n2o no
@@VCV95 yes you are.
Papa gut put into word to why i don't like asmond anymore. He's completly dis-engage when people who he doesn't like make a good point and then explote with laughter and mockery when they saying something stupid. AND THEN has the gall to say "i'm always fair" like STFU.
Used to quite enjoy asmon, but the dude is chronically on twitter. It's rotting his brain. He genuinely believes twitter is the best platform because it's a "true reflection of who people are". His TH-cam channel is just all trump and DEI. When ever he has a point to make he just brings up a tweet to validate him self. Feelings about the guy and the topics aside, that is just dangerous.
A note I will add: Asmon thinks lolicon is weird; and, as stated here (or in another video), wouldn't want his (hypothetical) kids babysat by someone into loli. He doesn't use correlation = causation for pedos with loli... but he has strong suspicions.
Asmon is also really annoying with his defense of men being attracted to teenage girls (not explicitly underaged, but he wouldn't say that publicly whether he believed it or not) by constantly insisting on claims like "that's just how the world is and always has been-- the younger a woman is, the more attractive men will find her." He always appeals to awful views that he claims other people hold in response to people calling out those types of views, as if they're somehow mistaken for criticizing it on the basis that all these supposed people to whom he is appealing are in support of it.
i was just thinking about this today. he'll say something like "well thats just how people are" or "a lot of people think this way" as if that somehow justifies anything or is enough to be a standalone argument. he will explicitly say he is against the bad thing he is reacting to, then spend 95% of the rest of the video attacking the moral/ factual claim while giving the immoral side a pass and even laughing with that side. classic do as i say not as i do scenario
Men are attracted to younger women. That’s why there are many wealthy men with younger women.
His take on that was women in their 20s are selected as most attractive by every male age group in every survey.
That was a bad example, when he has so many good ones to use.
He is right though if they are adults who cares lmao
@@narcodium the word you're looking for is "sex tourist". Also good job labeling all men as weirdo creeps
PG, you’re quick to jump to conclusions. Assuming a list of annual rapes per country is ordered without verifying is a wild leap. For context, Ireland reports 22 per 100,000, while the U.S. has nearly double at 42. Ireland also surpasses the U.S. in GDP per capita ($103,684 vs. $81,695) and ranks higher on safety indices. Yet, you dismissed this to criticize Ireland based on a misread graph.
While the U.S. isn’t the best country in the world, it might be the best large country. Managing a large nation comes with unique challenges compared to smaller ones. However, the countries consistently ranked as the best-like the Scandinavian nations, Canada, or Switzerland-are not the U.S.
Didn't you say similar stuff about chris Tyson. Something along the lines of you think hes done weird stuff but you dont think he's a pedo.
Chris isn't a pedo, just a guy who sexually abused his mom from what we know.
no
Cope
Lol about time Papa Gut called out hypocrite Asmon 😂
Pretty easy to pick out the loli enjoyers in this comment section lol
The guys comment section seem convinced that sexualising mi irs and ir having them in sexual situations is ok because its just manga and anime.
One anime/manga that blatantly promotes raping women is, Redo of a Healer where the MC gets revenge on the people who wronged him by raping, torturing, brainwashing, them and the majority of the targets are young girls. The women took it down because hate she got was bad for her mental health.
Wait a minute wasn't the MC raped, tortured, and brainwashed by the same person who did that to him. Also, most of the audience seemed to be women because the author was interviewed and said most of the audience were women.
I went to the RevSaysDeyu video and all the comments in there were people who thought they were under attack because they watch anime. Kind of baffling they didn’t get the point of the video.
Asmon is so dumb. I can't believe he sides with a certified weirdo.
Asmon made it way too easy to unsubscribe from him
Crazy how Rev seems to be “under the radar” when it comes to public internet weridos, I’ve seen other people get harassed for basically nothing compared to him.
Sometimes u gotta judge a book by its cover. Asmon just looks like he wouldn't turn down a child
What game is papa playing?
Never liked the guy
I genuinely used to think asmongold was a normal person who just looks a bit unusual similar to moist critikal. The past two months are funny with that context.
Damn, Papa Gut went ballistic on Asmongold. 😂
Legit 10 secs in, loli (cartoon cp) and LOLITA (fashion) are different and are very much spelled and said differently. Now, the meaning of the word is . . . interesting but the fashion is seemingly harmless.
I looked this up a while ago, apparently the term ‘lolita’ (fashion) did not originate in Japan, that was a label that westerners put onto it.
@TheRedundantArtist
Oh? That's pretty interesting, I'll have to look into it sometime. Thanks!
It's kinda hypocritical of this emo chick who probably goons to Sailor Moon doujin to talk about Cp when she makes cp of her own.
@Guts124 Cool fantasy bro, but when you wanna come back to reality, how about talking about the guy with a child vtuber avatar calling the EU a crime org for wanting to censor drawn cp
HyPoCriTe
Honestly, i think all 3 involved in that video is annoying 😂. First world problem moment.
Can't say I like RevSaysDesu, but Asmongold really didn't say anything in this that seems like "siding with lolicon." He seems like he's only here to defend his own original reasoning for saying what he said about censorship with credit card companies.
He attacked the furry with a lolicon right there on the screen and said nothing about them and siding with everything he said. That's his criticism against asmon
Why is Nurgle doing this to him??
Asmon has lost the plot. Watching him recently is like watching the mirrored version of Hasan.
Lerix needs to come next.
What did he do???
Am I really watching Papa Gut reacting to Asmongold reacting to Rev says desu reacting to a video!!?
By law you can't change a thing about loli, but you can always turn to socially outcasting people for watching it 👍
Checks out lol
1:07:05 minor sidbar (lol) but called Ben Shapiro a "good person" is wild
1:23:40 i remember that corny ass game, all edge and random quotes while slaughtering randoms- glad its history now
Hatred😂
Why am i not surprised? Like i wouldnt think he would be into this at all but he's just obsessed with having shit takes.
Asmon said he was going to clean his house, I guess he didn't clean it well enough
Not gonna lie. There was a lot of hypocrisy and ignorant takes coming from you as well in this vid. You’re really coming at this from the mindset of “America is correct. Everyone else is wrong and should play by our rules”.
I know you said you love the country and are a patriot and all that, but I don’t think that should mean blindly deciding America’s ways should be the worlds ways. You also said everything is gonna have some bad apples in it, but didn’t apply that argument to Japan, instead saying anyone who partakes in loli stuff should be on a list and whatever else.
Funny how he's hung up on loli, but considering his comment section, these freaks defend woke, which is 21 century Chinese Communism. And if you know Communists, some of which ALWAYS advocated having sex with children because the right to consent has to be abolished in order for that to happen.
That's an ahistorical fact.
Wow!
cringe
we have anime profile pics bro, we're the cringe ones here
Dildos and Mustard
Dang, I guess I should change my pfp. 30years old guy with little girl, pfp. It was character who used story character and we art traded. LOL
Loli is not cp and liking loli content isn't bad
There are tons of issues with every group involved really including takes on this video. For one, it's always nuanced in where that gray line comes in. Loli in itself isn't even bad nor evil. Loli is simply a young- or young-looking character. There's nothing wrong with this. Plenty of media portray and or have said characters. Look at Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network etc for similar characters like anime. It's when they become sexualized is when it becomes lolicon. You can find loli cute and or endearing and it is not sexual in nature. It's when you start becoming obsessed or overly attracted to it is the problem. Seeking out dirty pics of loli characters is a problem. Anime that does this to underaged characters is a problem simply because it desensitizes people into believing it's not bad or even leads them to committing crimes due to perversion and or poor mental health.
That being said, context to these things happening is very circumstantial. Seeing two underaged characters make out much like real life people should be okay under the circumstance of their dating or interested in one another. That's normal and happens all the time. Having that in media shouldn't be an issue. It's showing them fully unclothed, etc where that line likely should've been crossed. I think trying to strong arm another culture to shift its media is silly. So long as limitations or guidelines are enforced to ensure the safety and mental health of people. (Or in the case of, of aged characters whom simply petite) have the proper age viewing restrictions.
You aren't wrong in theory assuming we all could unanimously agree on what an underage character is.
Art is more complicated, it's much easier to interpret in different ways and much harder to say it will cause you to commit crimes.
You might say a character looks like a child but I can just disagree and there's little that can be done there. There's no evidence you can provide that says yes this drawing is a child, it's just interpretation.
Beyond that the implication that these things increase crime is unfounded and actually against the research conducted in related areas.
Research on violent fictional media shows no evidence that watching violent moviees or playing violent games leads to increased real world violent crime. The best you can find is correlational studies showing alot of prisoners of violent crimes having played violent games alot in their youth, but this doesn't really help show causation since violent games are already popular in the first place and it's easy to post that they could have been drawn to the violent games as a result of existing violent tendency brought on by an unstable home life and other confounding variables.
And in the case of porn and even child porn, countries which had this legalised saw decreased crime rates. Now obviously that's not reasoning to legalise child porn but the assertion that drawings, where there are no victims and no actual harm occurring, being banned would improve japan's treatment of women and sex crimes is a baseless assertion. It's already perfectly legal in America, I wouldn't blame it for any issues we have here or try to imply banning it would help.
If you want to solve problems, you need evidence that your solutions will actually improve said problems and in this case the evidence suggest it would not in this regard while having unnecessary limitations on freedom of speech.
@@EyesDontCryThe issue with this subject is everyone who says, "OMG! LOLI IS CHILD," ends up being someone who sexually assaulted real children and are trying to compensate for the fact how bad they are. I forgot that one youtuber, did a video talking about how loli and incest in anime is disturbing, but literally has a video defending Cuties.
And considering most of the people here defend woke, which is 21st century Chinese Communism, and figureheads who advocated fit Communism usually advocate having sex with children, I won't jump to conclusions, but to be far, this side isn't as Simple and Clean as Utada.
One, you're looking at an abstract and saying it has the same psychological effects as watching a real child with no proof. That's like saying playing Pokemon Red/Blue slot machines can lead to gambling addictions, when the abstraction literally has a control mechanism that allows the player to control the outcome of the reel. Real slot machines don't do that. They may adjust the algorithm a bit, but full on control at the press of a button on each reel? I'd bankrupt a casino for real because I'm good at those games.
And another reason I find this side hard to believe is every anti loli has the same arguments. That's when I know it's an echo chamber. Mentioning the book Lolita while conflating Lolita and loli are the same word is like saying nigaru(run) and knee grow(term used for blacks)are the same because they almost sound alike. On top of leaving out the fact the book was written by a Russian author, trying to imply Japan wrote the book because loli derives from Lolita, but without saying it.
Another aspect that's been debunked is it gives incentives to commit real crimes. Studies have shown video games do not encourage violence nor have any links, yet these morons are running on 90s Republican talking points for loli. He's looking at Japan's SA statistics and marrying them to loli, when loli has a history within Japan way back in the 1800s. Want to know why tentacles is such a staple? It's because artists back then were banned from drawing pengus, and to get around that censorship, they drew tentacles. Loli isn't the progenitor of SA, if it were, countries outside of Japan would have lower SA counts.
And here's the biggest hypocrisy from Papa Gut. He wants to change the entire infrastructure of Japan anime, but not black culture? The same culture that glorifies promiscuity. The same culture where Charlamagne The God can literally say he SA a minor on air and not get clapback? The same culture that cultivated R. Kelly, Drake, Diddy, Beyonce, and that whole circle. He probably mentioned that at some point, but probably didn't go that hard in it like he does Japan.
Please put this person on a watchlist
What happened to asmon bro this is so fucking sad
Him making fun of the rawr in her name while he has a 13 year old anime aviator and also uwu in his name is craaaaazy
Nah, I disagree on the cc thing. The cc company should function like a financial institution/bank not like a vendor. If I'm borrowing money from them and they've already deemed me capable of paying them back (by approving me for the card and continuing allowing me to use it) then they should have no right to tell me how to spend that money.
If the gov. wants to step in and say i cant use my money on x (like drugs) then so be it, but that shouldn't be on the CC companies or other middlemen like PayPal. Especially when they work like oligarchies.
Like what if your boss starts moral policing you since they're signing your paychecks, money that came from their business.
Rev's arguments just boil down to 'no u'
Asmon has slowly gone down a really lame rabbit hole over the last 2 years
Asmon, why not put CP in videogames? No exploitation. Yeah? Why not?
papa gut always right
why is tectone commentating over asmongold dumb takes. also whyy does he sound dumber than usual
AOC? i sleep, AOlolicon? REAL SHIT. also holy shit, I will take a furry over loli any god-damn day
Asmon is sus as fk.
What's wrong with that? Fiction is not reality.
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Yet you watch melonie mac whose a christian conservative
And hate fictional ugly women
@@chandlerburse I don't care tho
@ good to know melonies audience is the hypocrites i’ve always considered them to be
Sheesh. What is with these personal attacks on Asmongold? Your points would be better without them. You sound like the usual twitter mob going after him.
Personally attacking Asmongold for joking with his audience about a video he thinks misrepresented him in his stances is just stupid.
Get his b@lls out ur mouth lol
I agree, asmon's points would have been better made without all the personal attacks.
He didn't even watch the video that criticized him and he should definitely try to be better about not misrepresenting the videos he's watching in the future. Good points!
Knew Papa became tainted when he trashtalked Gura. The loli wave continues to wash away all the moral policing hags of the world.
The fuck are you talking about?
@@meatman585 Mental illness.
@@CatCreatures I guess so lmao
If you look at revs avi and see a 5 year old or a child in general i think thats a you problem. To me when i see that avi i either think of a petite woman or since rev is a guy maybe its a femboy. Nothing about his design scream child to me
At this point, weeabos are basically the offspring of the furries that didn't get bullied hard enough
Weaboos pre date furries what are you talking about?
@EyesDontCry wdym?
@@meatman585 you said "offspring" which implies weaboos came from furries or atleast follow on from them.
Weaboos are older than furries, so they are not offspring that's all I'm pointing out.
@@EyesDontCry I mean, fair enough, I guess. All I'm saying is that I think weebs are starting to go out the same way furries did a while ago. There, getting bullied into irrelevancy is what I mean
@@meatman585 again weebs have been bullied for liking anime for decades, anime only got partly mainstream recently.
I'm not trying to be mean but this is really obvious stuff