Ted Lasso 2x12 REACTION!! "Inverting the Pyramid of Success"
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- Eric Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss Ted Lasso season 2 episode 12 Inverting the Pyramid of Success - #tedlasso
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0:00 - Skittles
1:05 - Intro
2:15 - Reaction
14:28 - Nate
20:28 - Jamie & Nate
21:10 - Keeley
22:07 - Trent
24:42 - Nate Continued
26:58 - Lengthy Debate On The Definition Of An Attack
31:30 - Next Season
33:57 - Akufo & Sam
34:47 - Nate Continued Continued
35:16 - Sam
35:56 - Recognizing Your Faults
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So much of Nate's behavior, both positive and negative, throughout the series is rooted in his insecurity and his relationship with his actual father (we see examples of it early on in the restaurant). Nate also sees Ted as a father figure to a certain extent. So when Ted gives him recognition and builds him up throughout the first season and somewhat into the second, he essentially sees it as getting the love and affection from a father figure that he never actually got from his actual father. The issue come in when Nate doesn't realize that Ted is this kind and loving to everyone, so when others receive that as well, he gets jealous and insecure and thinks he's being abandoned. Whereas in reality it's just Ted being Ted.
Exactly, 100%
Also, Nate’s issues are just as about mental health as Ted’s are, they’re just at different stages and manifest in different ways.
💯 Nate has waited his whole life for the kind of paternal support & recognition that Ted so easily gave him in Season 1. Especially with the promotion, he must have felt on top of the world for the first time in his life. In Season 2, Ted’s support was not as active, not just b/c he had his own baggage to process, but b/c he had hoped as an adult Nate could carry on himself with what he’d been given. Unfortunately, Nate saw this reduced involvement as another source of abandonment, instead of Ted trusting in his natural talents & character to succeed.
As someone who was raised with authoritarian style parenting, I could understand Nate’s motivations, even while I hated what he did.
Excited for you guys to get to season 3.
Also, idk if my app is trippin, but for me it says this comment was posted 4 weeks ago?? 🧐 Derek be time traveling.
Also, season 2 had no Ted and Nate only scenes until the end and that confrontation.
Nate was upset that Ted laughed at the idea of Nate being a 'big dog' when needing to talk to Isaac.
Nate was upset that Roy was added to the coaching staff.
Nate wants credit and praise, and in his insecurities he feels he is going to get credit and blame.
He is well written, and his insecurities even show through season 1, so the change isn't out of nowhere but breadcrumbs are there the whole way.
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For the picture thing, Nate gave Ted a picture of the two of them for Christmas, and it had a nice thank you note written on it. Ted actually has it on his dresser next to a picture of his son Henry, as seen in episode 10 “No Weddings and a Funeral”. But Nate is oblivious and angry, so he’s angry that he doesn’t see the picture in Ted’s office
Exactly
Nate is so insecure that he needed to literally see that Ted values their relationship. Ted put the photo in a place that's important to HIM, but because that place wasn't where Nate could see it, he perceived its absence as a sign that Ted doesn't value him. He imagined a bunch of other slights exactly like that, every time Ted showed approval to someone else. He thinks so little of himself that he is hypersensitive to any indication that other people also think poorly of him, and then he overreacts to it. If he has the authority, he tries to abuse those people, like with the ball boy or with Colin at the start of the season. But with equals or superiors like Ted or Roy, he just seethes and lets it build up until he's living in his own imaginary world of slights...
@@kiml.1565he didn’t imagine all of them. Compare the amount of times Ted talks to Nate and the amount of compliments given to him in S1 vs in S2. There was a noticeably drastic reduction in both.
I like that Roy’s explanation of the Diamond Dogs is word-for-word what Ted asks Keeley and Rebecca about Girl Talk
Holy shit, Eric is angrier at Nate than i have ever seen him at anything
Which is why Nate’s redemption is such impressive writing. To redeem a character is one thing. To redeem one the audience hates is another.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 what nate redemption?
@@michaelkb8783Season 3.
I want a poster of the masculine melancholy, locker room moment. That was so good.
The actor playing Nate put out a very informative tweet after this aired that broke down step by step the things that led Nate to where he is now, doesn't justify anything but it's very interesting
Exactly! There's always an explanation for things and it's important to seek those out. It doesn't excuse the actions, like you said, but understanding how things got that way help you grow and avoid the same mistakes in the future.
I don't think he meant those points to be taken as excuses for Nate's actions, more that he was defending the show's writing after some viewers felt his actions in the last episode came out of nowhere.
I always love watching Sam's reaction to Edwin's tantrum. Just watch his expression. It's such a "Oh. Okay. Dodged a bullet there." semi-amused look. I love it.
Nick Mohammed's performance is brilliant. It's such a heartbreaking scene and what he says to Ted is unforgivable but Nick delivers it so well.
Motivations are big issues and are revealed in this season: Keely wants what's best for everyone. Nate wants what's best for Nate. Roy wants what's best for Richmond. Beard wants what's best for Ted. Loyalties and personal motivations are huge things in this series.
Nate wants what Nate *thinks in the moment* is best for Nate, but otherwise this comment is spot-on!
I appreciate Aaron always tries to be the devil's advocate for certain disliked characters.
Eric and Calvin clearly understand there's more to Nate but they like expressing their anger a bit more (and since The Glory the are bloodthirsty)
Aaron also can be too windy washy at times.
I mean I also understand completely why Nate is acting the way he's acting but it makes me no less angry at him and doesn't validate what he said that just not valid such as the not caring about him and honestly half the shit he said was just just nonsense. But I get it he's attacking the ones close to himself and being socially destructive to himself an those around him because of his overwhelming sense of lack of self worth and the intense need to gain the approval of his emotionally neglectful father
I would say that arguing
against the definition of "people" meaning more than one person for 5+ minutes is just annoying and not actually being devil's advocate. Unless the devil is just really into wasting time because Aaron definitely advocated for that.
@@promane557Compared to how Ted showed Nate he cared in S1, Ted absolutely was “caring about him less.” In S1, half Ted’s lines were compliments to Nate. In S2 he almost never talks to him
Nate yells about Ted not having his picture in the office anymore, but we see in the beginning of the episode that Ted put the picture in his bedroom.
Calvin, I do the same thing. It's not necessary that I do it every time I eat candy, but if it sits in front of me long enough, then they will be organized as such. Skittles, starbursts, M&Ms, Mike and Ikes, all will be organized.
Same!
Obviously, there's nothing to justify what Nate did to Ted, that's just a shitty thing to do. That said, I get why Nate is the way he is. He is used to being treated like a joke, like a second thought. That's why Roy seeming to write him off as a threat bothers him so much. The only time he ever feels like he's seen and respected is when he channels his self-hatred and anger. And if that's the only thing that gets him results, of course he's going to continue to do it. You can also clearly see a change in him after spitting in the mirror helps him get the restaurant seat, he's quicker to negative emotions to help build strength.
I get being pissed at Nate, I was too. But he has just as much a mental health issue as Ted, and it should be addressed as such. Plus, I'm sure comments like "he probably needs a step stool" contributed to his current self hatred as well
I have to disagree, the biggest result that he had in his life so far - an assistant coach job was given to him because of his knowledge of football and not self-hatred. He should have gone and took advantage of having a team psychologist on site while he could, but he obviously wants to take a different route
It's not that in reality Ted ignored Nate, it's just that due to dealing with his own problems he didn't have time to feed Nate's ego. If you've paid attention, Ted and Nate didn't have ANY scenes alone throughout all of Season 2 until this point. Needy Nate noticed Ted wasn't giving him special attention and interpreted that as a slight. Even KNOWING about Ted's problems.
Basically the validation he's lacked from his father he was getting from Ted. And when life got in the way of that? He struck back at Ted since he'll never do it to his actual father.
Fun fact: the opening shot and the closing shot of season 2 are BOTH a closeup of Nate. Everything else around him changes, but Nate’s eyes don’t.
Every season is like this actually! Season 1 begins and ends with a close-up of Rebecca, season 2 begins and ends with a close-up of Nate and season 3 begins and ends with a close-up of Ted!
Few people can do outbursts like Sam Richardson, love him in everything he's done
It's also a fun little extra joke - Sam (Obisanya), one of the nicest people on a show full of nice people, was apparently inspired by real-life Sam Richardson so to give Sam (Richardson) a huge blow-out scene with him is _at least_ one layer of meta :).
The thing Calvin does with his Skittles, I do the same thing with M&Ms. If I'm not looking at them, and just grab some I can just eat whatever colors. But if I have them poured out, I have to separate them and I'll eat them in ascending order of number of each color, or make complete sets (one of each color) and eat them in rainbow order. ☺
4:25 Colin’s the last to agree to not hold anything back with Ted. Foreshadowing
That scene with Keely & Rebecca always reminds me of how Hannah & Juno became best friends because of the show ❤
I feel like Nates issue will always be not enough validation (he wasn't getting it from his father, then not enough from Ted, then social media). Unless he sees himself as whole without outside input then he will always be doing things for other people's validation.
It takes a long journey to come back
So it’s not just me that does that with skittles. Thank god
Don't forget nate attacking Colin as well...plus how hard he was on Dany Rojas after he accidently killed their mascot
The storyline of Nate is a simple concept but is executed masterfully.
Having gone back and watched the season, there are a few moments which I think Nate might be referring to and a lot of it revolves around Roy: When Isaac is having issues and Ted says he needs a "big dog" to talk to him, Nate volunteers and Ted laughs then apologizes when he realized Nate was serious but enlists Roy's help. Offering Nate's office to Higgins while Dr. Sharon was conducting her sessions. Then bringing Roy on as part of the coaching staff without consulting Nate was a big one. But yeah, a lot of projection on Nate's end from the lack of positive reinforcement from his own dad. Overall, solid season but I think they could have done a better job connecting those dots.
I’ve never felt more seen in my life that Calvin eating his skittles the way I do ❤ I feel you on that Calvin. It’s hard to explain to people why, I just always have. I like things to be equal lol 😂
Roy taking Jamie on his vacation wouldve been fun tbh 😭
Calvin's skittles behaviour is EXACTLY the same as me! I have to even them all out towards the end to be able to finish them
I enjoy your analysis! Its great to hear all different POV's. You kept saying, lets focus on the good and all the discussion kept going back to Nate! (which is fine BTW, its the most unexpected journey in this very feel good show!) I really like when reactors think Nate could benefit from therapy as that is sometimes the point of this season! Great discussion all of you!
Insecurity and self-loathing are hard things to push through, and I think they did a good job presenting that.
The saddest part about this whole season is the fact that the picture Nate's talking about has been on display in Ted's apartment the entire time. He really cherishes that picture, it's front and center. But the guy would see Nate every day at work, the fact that the picture is hanging up in his apartment is affectionate. But not in a way that strokes Nate's ego.
Eric's reaction to Nate's rant to ted gives me life
The Nate shot is a mirror of the. opening and ending of the season..
In a way it was also set up to expect Nate would spit at the screen as he had all season long
The only scene solely between Ted and Nate in all of season 2 is the locker room scene in the finale, 2x12. The last scene we had with just the two of them was in 1x7, when Ted has to apologize to Nate for yelling at him in the hotel the night before. Alternatively, Ted has lots of one on one scenes in season 2 with other characters like Roy, Rebecca, Beard, Higgins, players on the team, etc. It sounds crazy at first when you hear Nate say Ted abandoned him. But then when you think back to how much time Ted spent with him alone in season 1, how he supported him, worked with him, helped him grow, etc, and then compare it to season 2, and they never have a single moment or scene together until the confrontation. They laughed when he called himself a big dog, he wasn't considered part of the team so he didn't get a coffee machine, Roy was furious when Jamie kissed Keeley, but not when Nate did. I think it's a little easier to understand Nate's thought process and fall from grace that was building though the season when you keep all of this in mind. Nate is constantly seeking approval from everyone in his life to make up for how he feels about his relationship with his father, and he lashes out when he doesn't get it.
Looking forward to see how you fellas enjoy season three!
The thing is, if Nate had gone to Ted and said he’d been offered the chance to manage West Ham, Ted would probably have been happy for him. Like Higgins tells Keeley ‘a good mentor hopes you will move on. A great mentor knows you will.’
Re watching these with you 3 is my joy!! Watching Nate devolve is so disturbing yet so captivating because it shows how deep insecurity can blind one from seeing what's right in front of them. When Nate feels threatened that seems to equate to abandoned to him he gets worse. His relationship with his dad is so instrumental. My mind tried to rationalize like Aaron but my emotions were like Eric and Calvin. Lol . Calvin was right. He wanted Ted to lose and be revealed as weak. It's the how come "he can be seen this way and i can't" he envys what he is only viewing on the surface. Don't envy outcomes when you don't know what they sacrificed, suffered, experienced to get there. Come on season 3!!
You guys are gems... 🎉
I think the most important thing to keep in mind as we watch Nate's downward arc, is the theme we've been seeing over and over throughout this show. 1) People can change. Even total assholes (think Season 1 Jamie Tartt), and 2) Though it's completely natural to hate them for being assholes, the only effective way to promote that change is not to withhold our love and approval until they shape up, but to love them into becoming their better selves. This is Ted's whole thing. And even though it doesn't seem to be working with Nate just yet, that's part of the process. It's not a straight linear progression. Again, consider Jamie's progress (and occasional regress) up until this point.
So yeah, it's completely normal to be pissed at Nate right now. We all are. But the answer isn't to let Beard and Roy have "however much time they want" with him to sort it out, no matter how satisfying you might think that would be. It's to go the Ted route... see the pain under the lashing out, see the good hiding under the bad, and love him until he sorts himself out, however long that might take.
The Skittle chat at the beginning was so relatable lol love it!
1. Higgins could not be the leak because he would become physically ill trying to hide that transgression similar to how he was in season 1
2. Nate attacked more than just the new towel boy. He also bullied Colin (another person that is a part of the small group of people that Nate has power over). So yes, "Nate attacked people."
I had an encounter similar to the Nate thing. Guy was upset, clearly not at me but I was the target of his lashing out because I tried to help. I pointed at the door and said "Come back after you've learned to handle things like an adult." Never saw him again. Yes Nate has deep rooted issues, but that doesn't make his actions any better. I'm glad he left, he doesn't deserve to be in the same room as Ted until he works his shit out and apologizes.
Just to reiterate: Someone's trauma isn't justification for you to be treated shitty by them. You don't deserve that.
Hell yea season 3 coming baby can’t wait for 1 particular episode baby
When it cut to Nate eyebrowing the camera I wanted to punch my screen
It always baffles me that reactors don’t understand the Nate switch. I dunno if it’s just cause I can relate to it in a way or seen things like this happen in real life to people but there’s so many instances where we see Nate isn’t secure and will lash out and things will go to his head. The actor who played him himself posted a load of reasons why it happened and I’ll list a bunch.
- Literally the first time you see him in the show he is shouting at a stranger
- The scene where he gives the pre season talk are genuine insults and he clearly enjoys the payback
- His scenes berating Colin. Saying he is a mediocre painting
- He says about Dani “if he needs motivation we can show him his goddamn paycheck”
- He laughs at Jamie’s misfortune in Season 1 even after being told not to by Ted.
- When he believes he is fired by Rebecca he immediately turns on her and calls her a “Shrew”
- The changing of the hair colour is gradually progressed throughout S2 to demonstrate this change
- He starts spitting at himself, he knows he’s becoming something that isn’t nice
- The most blatant and important is that Nate feels sidelined by Ted which fuels the insecurity even though it wasn’t intentional. They only have one scene together in S2, and it’s in this episode, a deliberate choice to try and demonstrate this perceived ‘separation’. Nate feels like he earned his position in Season 1 and is constantly praised in Season 1. Then in S2 is just treated as a coach, which is fine. But Nate is insecure and instead doesn’t feel as valued by Coach and Ted. This is exacibated when Roy is just brought in without any discussion and seems to take a position on the same level as Nate. However the kicker is that Ted is completely unaware of how Nate is feeling, it’s completely one sided but it’s still there on Nate’s. This is shown when Beard calls him out on being rude to Colin. Nate just asks “Does Ted Know?” Ted isn’t even aware of this stuff.
- No one generally takes him seriously as a person, his Dad doesn’t take him seriously, the Waitess at the restaurant didn’t take him seriously, Roy didn’t take him seriously after kissing Keeley, keeley calls him a “big dog” and people laugh at the notion, he’s the only one to not get an Espresso machine even though they are right there.
- He believes Ted got rid of the picture he gave him, not realising that Ted has it in a special place at home.
- The way he treats the younger kit man, his first action against him is to be rude in Season 1. He talks shit about the guys Mum when he asks for time off. He criticises the smell of the washing. It’s also only after seeing a negative tweet about himself that Nate tells the Kitman he’s going to ruin his life. Again more insecurity.
- The first and last shot of the Season is the same shot, both of Nate in the same pose, signifying the change throughout the season.
And I’m pretty sure there’s many tiny examples I’ve forgotten. It’s really amusing to me how no one picks up on the little slights against Nate. It’s clear as day to me and something I see in real life on a regular basis. Basically just tiny little comments and actions from many individuals towards one individual but because it’s all from different people or “jokes” no one realises the impact on the person it’s happening against. It’s very realistic and actually shows how well it’s done that it flies over so many peoples heads.
I think it is a bit jarring because through the show so far we have been seeing many healthy and positive changes in characters, while nate is going in the complete opposite direction. He isn't dealing with his issues in a healthy way and is heading in a much darker direction than most other characters, so to some people it feels off, because they were expecting that positive breakthrough. People missed that sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.
There's also the fact that any time anyone talks about his suit (like at the funeral) they call it the suit Ted bought him. And the Dutch player points out how infantalizing he considers it for a grown man to have someone else buying clothes for him. That's why he goes suit shopping with Keeley in the first place
my guy in the middle looks like coach beard! good idea for a cosplay! peace and love from Brasil!
Coach beard was the hitchhiker in community 3 x 7😂
Watching the ending of this episode and knowing the location of Nate is just hilarious.
'Lengthy debate on the definition of an attack' LMAO that was hilarious
Thank you
9:15 the photo that nate questions is there at ted's house 💔
Brilliant!
I always found it interesting if you re-watch this season you slowly see Nate get more and more grey hair as he goes more towards the " Dark Side" just a cool visual detail showing his decent more and more through out the season.
omg I relate to the separation of Skittles by color 🤣
Tough for me being such a huge West Ham fan and seeing this 😂
Can't wait to see Eric's response to the Breath of the Wild reference next week.
Just to leap onto the Nate-hate train in this outro, but someone pointed out after the 2nd season first aired and completed, that the seeds were there for Nate's downfall. Even in season one, where you see his vindictiveness and cruelty come out, little micro aggressions that all built up to the ending of this season. It's really quite interesting to watch it on multiple viewings (it's a comfort show), but I cannot wait for you guys to watch season 3. Very rewarding and so many callbacks to watch out for, not to mention the masterful story arcs that come full circle.
On Aaron's point about "DID Ted ignore Nate?" Between the fact that he laughed at Nate saying he's a 'big dog', bringing Roy in to coach (making him feel replaced) and if you pay attention the episode Nate roasted the team in season 1 is the last time Ted and Nate have a 1 on 1 conversation until this episode, there IS some evidence Nate felt ignored.
Does NOT justify, but someone with insecurities, that's more than enough ammo to believe Ted hates him now (speaking as someone with some mental health issues that trends that direction)
For sure. But how we _feel_ doesn't necessarily reflect reality right ? One of the big themes of the show is about transcending our own perspective and trying to understand how others see the world ("Be curious, not judgemental") and here Ted is blinded by his own positivity - it doesn't occur to him that elevating Nate and then mostly just leaving him be could be perceived as neglect because in Nate's place _Ted_ would see only the positives of their relationship (and he doesn't understand that's not how Nate sees the world).
And in exactly the same way, Nate is blinded by his own insecurity - for instance it doesn't occur to _him_ that Ted might've put Nate's photo in a more honoured position than his desk at work (at home, right next to his son's) because _Nate_ can't see the world that way.
@@anonymes2884And Nate will need to grow in many ways like Ted has and does, I just wanted to throw out there that even if we don't agree with it, there is a perspective that Nate is justified. Not giving Nate a pass, but some act like it's all completely out of nowhere and was just made up to make Nate a villain.
I *LOVE* Trent’s role in season 3 😁🤭
The argument with Ted & Nate is the first time this entire season when there’s a scene with just Ted & Nate.
Not even how hard I tried, I could never hate Nate, not even in this episode
I just watched The Martian and there was Nick Mohammed (Nate) he was one of the JPL nerds
Detail I saw someone point out is that Ted and Nate pretty much never talk with just the two of them between Nate’s promotion and his meltdown, giving some credit to his belief that Ted “abandoned him.”
I love Beard. And I love Beard at the end of S3.
Calvin's skittle dilemna is me with all multicoloured foods.
Its interesting looking back at the show from this point, and realizing that while Nate felt he deserved all the credit for the team's success, he didn't recognize it was Coach Lasso that got him there. It was Lasso that got Roy to step up as Captain and "lead" and fix the team and stop Nate from being harassed, and that created an environment where Nate finally felt the confidence to speak up with a suggestion once, which led to everything that followed. As much as Nate deserves to be "hated", it shows how people should self-reflect. Do you blame someone because they're doing something you dislike ? Or because its easier than acknowledging there is something wrong with you ?
Honestly the way Nate treated Will, I was appalled & almost scared of Nate’s behaviour. Then after episode 2x11 I was DONE with Nate too… when he was revealed as the source to the article. I was livid! So was most of the internet. Lol. I’ll never forget Twitter after that episode and then 2x12 aired. It got even worse. Nick Mohammed the actor who brilliantly plays Nate actually wrote out and posted this detailed list of all the things they’d deliberately done to slowly show Nate’s ego, his insecurities & his neediness. It’s definitely worth a read. Nate’s arc has been unraveling from the beginning. But now the question is can he be redeemed or has he joined Rupert as the villain of Ted Lasso? Can’t wait for Season 3.
Danny should've gone over and celebrated with the new puppy after he scored the penalty kick.
I love how everyone is always like 6 WEEKS?? that's a long vacay without notice, but maybe not in the UK?
In a full time job without notice? No way, 2 weeks is probably expected but beyond that is pushing it. Between jobs? Go nuts, as long as you want.
Classic Aaron being repeatedly stuck on stupid shit in these different shows. This is gotta be the dumbest semantics argument I’ve seen in a while.😂
With knowing what happens in season 3 I was wondering if you would pick up on a burgeoning Emperor/Vader relationship regarding Rupert/Nate. Without any spoilers there’s a scene in season three that really couldn’t make this any clearer. (A window is a giveaway). Keep up the good content guys🏴.
I think it's interesting to see people watch the Nate storyline the first time through. Some things always slip through the cracks with it. Nate is not threatening, nor does he want to be. He's weak, he's insecure, and he doesn't know how to deal with these things because of his heritage and the life he grew up with. A lot of people forget just how shitty his father is. He doesn't care AT ALL about his sons success (at least he doesn't show an inkling of care), nor does he ever show him any kind of warmth (in juxtaposition to his mother), but since Nate has his mother, yet a false father, he looks to Ted for that. Ted's the first person to remember his name, to give him a nickname, to show him love and appreciation. And then, Ted put more of his focus on other people (and I'm not saying that's wrong or his fault, at all). Ted did not realize just how much Nate cared about him and what he thought of him, and therefore, Nate's perspective of him got lost in translation. He became wildly stressed out, he felt insignificant in the shadow of Roy (we first see this when he goes to the restaurant and the hostess asks if Roy is his father in a malicious manner), and he built up guilt over knowing that he had to do something in retaliation to his loss of love from Ted (and he also probably thought respect, too). That's why his hair turned white- all of these emotions that he never really tried processing before had finally hit an overhaul. When the body takes on too much stress, guilt, hatred, insecurity, we react to it. He ages himself because of this. I'm not saying I agree with what Nate did, I don't think anyone will. But it's important to understand exactly why he did it and why he is redeemable. And forgiveness is one of the main constructs of this show. For some reason, Nate gets entirely more hate than 3 characters who also do TERRIBLE things- Jamie (his entire treatment of the team throughout season one and utter disrespect towards Ted the entire time), Rebecca (wanted to ruin the entire team and Ted throughout almost all of season one), and Rupert, who I don't even need to explain. Nate does not deserve more hate than Rupert and I will die on that hill. Rebecca and Jamie had redemptions, and therefore, Nate deserves one too.
Damn dude. The way you're defending nate I would think you may have done something like that in your life before 😂😂😂GEEZUS
Man, Roy is the best lol
I think the thing with Nate that is difficult to understand is that he got everything he ever wanted and he still wasn't happy. Which is a hard truth for anyone to process. It comes across as insecurity and a lack of gratitude, but I think the truth is that in the first season he went from a bullied, unnoticed kit man to an assistant coach. He was thrilled. He was empowered and it was beyond his wildest dreams. But at the end of the day, all the success in the world can't fill an emotional hole in the center of your heart. I think that's why Nate hates Ted. Maybe Nate thought that if he was able to get to a certain place in life, he would finally be happy. So when Ted metaphorically lifted Nate up, Nate was forced to confront the fact that, even at the top, all of his problems are still there. If Ted hadn't given him everything, Nate would at least still have the ability to dream of a better life. So he resents Ted now because that illusion is shattered and Ted can't lift him up any higher. Like Eric said in the episode, he holds Ted responsible for how he feels. The argument that Ted ignored him this season is bullshit on Nate's part, he's petulant that Ted can't fix all of his problems any more.
If I remember correctly, the photo Nate gave to Ted was in Ted's flat instead of his office. I don't think he took it down...Ted instead waited for Nate to sort it out waiting with open arms. Completely different from how everyone handled the situation, including the audience,
Nate also attacked Colin a few times, who was someone who previously bullied him but who is also a bit of an easy target.
I mean what is the real definition of an attack lol😊
😆 It was more that he belittled him but I figured I would go with the attack trend.
@@lmm7490 Aaron and his definition
I really love season 1 and 2 of Ted Lasso. The scripts are very honed/polished, like they've gone through four drafts. It's not that series 3 is bad. It just feels more second draft than fourth draft.
The picture isn't in his office, it's at home next to a picture of his son! The highest honor Ted could bestow. The one mistake I think this episode makes is not pointing that out to Nate, but for obvious reasons.
The debate about what defines an attack was such a waste of time haha, what is Aaron on about?
Aaron loves to be needlessly pedantic about random things. It feels like in almost every reaction he digs into something pointlessly minor and goes off on a long tangent.
Don't worry, there's more of that all over the channel lmao
I actually kind of like it. _Not_ the needless pedantry itself but the way the other guys are both frustrated by it _and_ basically just accept it as Aaron being Aaron. That's real friendship :).
The finale of season 1 is actually the last scene that featured only Ted and Nate together without someone else there until Ted confronted him in this episode. Nate felt completely abandoned, which doesn't justify, but it does explain
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Trent Crimm, you beautiful, independent son of a gun
it's because Trent is in love with Ted!! he can't stand it because he likes and respects Ted so much!!
25:03 finally the white man is told to return whence he came
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So is he or is he not atacking people? got confused midway xD
Sometimes Aaron playing "Devil's advocate" is a really useful contribution and then other times, he spends 5 minutes splitting hairs about what counts as "attacking people" :).
The argument about the definition of "attack" gives such "strippers interrupting sex" energy. It's so dumb, but it thoroughly amuses me.
I sent calvin some vanilla pudding
now I don't know what a people even is!?!?!?! What is a people!?!?
I think Nate expects Ted to be like every other patriarchal figure he had and be held back and did the thing that was being done to him. Nate firmly believes Ted must have bad intentions and he can't accept the good things Ted has done for him.
Right. Nate is basically _waiting_ for Ted to act according to the narrative of Nate's life so when he does, to even a very limited extent, it just vindicates Nate's worst fears. His insecurity doesn't let him even _consider_ for instance that Ted might have put his photo in an even _more_ revered place, right next to Ted's photo of his own son.
I kinda feel like Aaron's personality and life has been kinda like Nate, and that's why he sympathizes with him to some extend, cause everything he said, I can imagine coming outa my mouth, feeling like the least important person in all groups and places and easily replaceable and not important, but I feel like the difference between someone like me or Aaron with someone like Nate, is that we kept ourselves in check as much as we cool so that we don't fall into the abyss, and we had good friends or family or wife that came just in time to change us and save us from that trap, something Nate doesn't have... all in all, i hated Nate till I heard how Aaron explained and kinda defended his perspective and it reminded me of my own past self, that's why I feel like Aaron had a similar life and personality, cause such understanding a person being in such a shtty place is hard, almost impossible, unless you experienced it for years
Your arguments aren't wrong but you can tell that Arron is only father of this trio. Would have been interesting to see Ricks reaction to this episode/season.
I wish they made Nate a character you love to hate, opposed to just hating, its the only thing that holds the show back from being perfect imo
Even though the Nate storyline felt a bit heavy-handed this season, it's something that almost never gets portrayed in entertainment, but happens a lot in real life. Glad the Akufo storyline is over because that was just horrible writing by people who don't know soccer and don't know Africa. Not in a million years, a young player going to the Premier League in England would move to Raya Casablanca. Also, pretending Africa is a single country is ridiculous, there's no way a Ghanaian billionaire would spend money on a Nigerian player to play for a Moroccan team. The UK has more Nigerian culture than Morocco has. I found this to be an embarrassing storyline about a real problem with England refusing to return cultural artifacts they stole all over the world, doing more bad than good for the actual problem using this poor metaphore.
Nate's story this season is a test to see if the viewers have actually taken on the lessons that the show has taught about being kind to people even when it's not easy to be and Eric failed massively.
Aarons argument is dumb lol love him….but dumb
this is what happens when step on someone for so long, when they do get a win, they do not understand what to do with it.
but also, as a headcoach TED should have seen this coming.
Nate didn't actually come up with those "tactics", like the false 9 or parking the bus, those are well known in the footy world so he was just a poor excuse for an a-hole. Yes, i know that's a character n all but the writers sure made him a hateful person
The people here, trying to justify Nate’s character arc to me. I don’t fucking care, respect to the actor the character wasn’t that great to me to begin with for me his fall from grace doesn’t really matter. It was very detailed. I give them that, but I don’t care for Nate never have never will. I don’t care enough to hate him. I don’t care about him at all.😂
Any person not full of self-loathing is a person incapable of being honest with themselves about who they really are. That's OK. Everyone else knows.