What Artists Should Know about the Gaming Industry (ft. Scott Flanders) - Draftsmen S2E13

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  • Scott Flanders (aka Shapecarver) joins us as the first guest of the Draftsmen Podcast! He shares his good and bad experiences working in the gaming art industry, the dark side of working in a corporate environment, the challenges he’s faced to make it as an artist and family man, and how he’s been able to become an independent artist and entrepreneur doing what he truly loves.
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ความคิดเห็น • 244

  • @Draftsmen
    @Draftsmen  4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    What are your best and worst experiences working as an artist? Please leave names anonymous.

    • @sadiqalribaa8313
      @sadiqalribaa8313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Braking the BLOODY CHARCOAL PENCIL WHEN SHARPENING!!
      So annoyyiinnnnngg.

    • @NarThulkqha
      @NarThulkqha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Living in a thirld world country. Dont know how to price my art, and cant know how should i sell it (and on my country it's really really hard living on art itself)

    • @starquake7061
      @starquake7061 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NarThulkqha Learn English then sell your art abroad.

    • @annaclayton7019
      @annaclayton7019 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Worst experience: Not knowing how to break into the art world and not knowing how to make art my career. Basically feeling like I'm leaving it to chance.
      Best experience: I sold art at a booth once and met my sale goal. I also met so many people and felt a lot of support.

    • @madokaonline
      @madokaonline 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Otneimica
      his name is in spanish, it means cybernetic potato, if you look closely, Its almost the same as english

  • @jessejzetteart5180
    @jessejzetteart5180 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    40:38 "Art is f*ckin hard, to deliver at a high level caliber of skill on a day-to-day basis to actually genuinely solve problems and make good art. It's really hard to to and it's very stressful."
    Agree.

    • @MaTTheWish
      @MaTTheWish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes. That is one thing most people truly don't understand.

  • @alecobert
    @alecobert 4 ปีที่แล้ว +207

    My name is Alec, so when Scott looked into the camera and asked, "Alec, video-focused, correct?" I thought I had finally woken up in the Matrix.

    • @AngelaMerici12
      @AngelaMerici12 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      😂 🤣 🤣 🤣!!! That sounds fun!!

    • @aleclang9735
      @aleclang9735 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      me too dude

  • @adanrodriguez2124
    @adanrodriguez2124 4 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Who else is adding to their book lists after taking a peek at Mr. Vandruff's Book Shelf? lol

    • @icemarle
      @icemarle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Every damn episode xD

    • @nicks931
      @nicks931 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have them all! LIterally.

  • @Evergladez
    @Evergladez 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This was a really good and revealing episode, I love the fact that he wasn't jaded or miserable about his time spent with the bigger corporation.

  • @knucklesbyname
    @knucklesbyname 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    43:25 omg the part where Scott talks about how an unskilled creative manager can ruin your life - and even your craft- hits me hard. And yeah, the better you get the more resentment they have towards you. *hugs past self*

  • @umario992
    @umario992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Can you please bring Jama Jurabaev to your podcast? I am 100 percent sure that he will be willing to do it because he was interviewed by a lot of people already and he is an amazing teacher. It would be interesting to hear in detail about Marshall's history with Jama, as well.

    • @rocketbird1
      @rocketbird1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They already got him!

  • @chayemor
    @chayemor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The managerial problem talked about actually spans to many other careers as well. Tends to be that people who also don't particularly enjoy the skill they have learned (whether they are good or not), also drift towards management. Management is something that should be studied, is not easy to manage but many do it out of the box and become corrupted by the power.

  • @platoschauvet
    @platoschauvet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    you can tell how much he loves his kid, it's really sweet

  • @Toto69584
    @Toto69584 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What a fantastic interview. Huge respect to him for giving us an insight into his heart and soul. He really opened up and that takes serious integrity and courage. I’m inspired.

  • @mehulsrivastava9858
    @mehulsrivastava9858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Please invite jeff watts. Would love to hear from him.

    • @teo4evermj
      @teo4evermj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! That'd be great

    • @adamburian4648
      @adamburian4648 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great idea! Make this comment crawl up so Marshall and Stan may notice!

    • @joaopaints
      @joaopaints 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      YESSSS

    • @tristonho451
      @tristonho451 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeahh

    • @eldrickzero4885
      @eldrickzero4885 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      dude great idea

  • @damiloification
    @damiloification 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Please invite Eliza Ivanova to your podcast 😍❤️

  • @alephthetheropod6210
    @alephthetheropod6210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great episode! I love Scott's honesty, and your transparency too! Thanks for not cutting important content.
    Multiple sources tell a very similar story about the environment. I absolutely support his decision to be with his son and follow his own vision.
    Added: Marshall's maverick side was on point on this one.

  • @fantomlimb5008
    @fantomlimb5008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This has been my favorite episode so far! The conversation is just so real and relatable. I love what everyone is saying and something about how Marshall chimes in with little anecdotes perfectly sums up what Scott is saying. While Stan offers great followup questions.

  • @abdullahnaim10
    @abdullahnaim10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This was such an amazing honest talk! Love it and hope to see more. Learned so much and brings me to keep my art as a hobby to enjoy and not a business/career that may ruin its joy and cause financial challenges(Current view). Thank you!

  • @seothis640
    @seothis640 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Damn. I was super thankful to Scott when he gave me a crit on my piece for the creature competition you guys had and now I'm even more thankful to the guy.
    Extremely interesting to hear some really honest thoughts on industry jobs. Cheers-yo!

  • @annaqura3360
    @annaqura3360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Marshall: SCOTT!
    Scott: Marshaaaaall

  • @fernsbaronia1998
    @fernsbaronia1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This interview has been very insightful for someone who wants to break into the industry. I appreciate the honest take on it.

  • @spencerjonesvo3973
    @spencerjonesvo3973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This episode has a more serious tone than the others, which isn't necessarily a bad thing- too much gloom and doom and too much silliness in any context isn't good. Ditto, being balanced between work and social life is also important. You have one life after all- make sure to strike the best balance you can.

  • @alfiealpha
    @alfiealpha 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So nice to hear Scott's words. He literally spoke about how I feel about my full-time job. He put the words correctly that I wouldn't know how to explain what I am feeling inside. Nothing is exciting me about this job. Wish I could have the courage to leave and be a fulltime artist. But that can not happen. I don't have the guts. At least for the time being

  • @razorback7828
    @razorback7828 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was a wonderful conversation. Thanks to Scott for his very transparent speech and his integrity.

  • @theunraveler
    @theunraveler 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is such a juicy episode with all the dirty details on Riot Games, a company whose art I enjoy alot!
    BTW, please interview Stanley Lau (artgerm)

  • @khayuishanglai3353
    @khayuishanglai3353 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    FINALLY SOMETHING RELATED TO THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY!👌

  • @atilab99draws58
    @atilab99draws58 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    i don't get why there are these negative comments, this episode is as valuable as the others, i'm 20 and my guess would be most of the viewers are around that age and they should learn that from any story you can take out at least one useful thing to you, even a bad, useless story gives you what not to do...try actually listening and taking some notes that may not be useful at the moment but will come handy later...then again i could be wrong i am just a kid after all, yet to get xp and all that
    edit: after going through the other comments and rereading mine, i think i understand a bit more of what's going on down here, sorry to anyone i've caused inconvienience

    • @psychiccrocodile3679
      @psychiccrocodile3679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@MrVenomsaurus plus he mentioned the non inclusive environment that he seems to unknowingly be fostering. He seems to surround himself with dudes who are like him. Why is it that a chick being in a group of guys, makes guys uncomfortable which therefore makes it uncomfortable for the female.. I dont blame him for not realizing this, but it is what's happening.

    • @Plib
      @Plib 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Kris Perhaps you should educate yourself on toxic masculinity in the games industry (among other minority issues), because it's definitely a huge problem if you've been paying attention to games industry news.

    • @zszyTW
      @zszyTW 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Plib There is no issue with being a minority or "toxic masculinity" in the western world.

    • @maggir8220
      @maggir8220 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      maybe not the best to assume peoples age, i am 39 and have been watching the podcast and proko for a long time. it is also not good to assume peoples way of consuming content. everyone might have a different interest, me for example, i just like the educated discussions with stan and marshall. does not mean i will ever be a professional artist

    • @13igorsm
      @13igorsm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrVenomsaurus if you mess around in Glassdoor abit, and explore the sexism cases of 2013 in Riot , you will find that the biggest problems is related to new leadership from diferent culture , since the biggest share-holders are chinese and coreans. Such late-capitalistic cultures have very diferent view on gender in work space.

  • @CfromJ
    @CfromJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate the very honest insightful info as someone that has working at riot on their bcket list, very VERY fuckin appreciated.

  • @armoredsolus6233
    @armoredsolus6233 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the interview and insight guys! Glad you're all looking healthy and happy!

  • @logantj8020
    @logantj8020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    really enjoyed listening to this one, it was really insightful. scott seems like such a real person and it was interesting hearing his experiences and how he's evolved over the years. thanks for sharing : )

  • @adelacreative
    @adelacreative 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    To me it seems like he's going through a mid life crisis, where he realized he's not happy where he is in life and career. I'm going through one myself where I'm changing from web/graphic design to art and illustration. But at the same time he still doesn't seem happy, so maybe it's something more than a career change that he needs ;) And I don't mean to say this as a critique, it's just that I had been through similar feels myself.

    • @yohenson
      @yohenson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      yes. i feel the same way. t wasn't the perfect moment for him, but dont you think its brave of him to come forward feeling like this? takes lots of power and courage.

    • @SnuubScadoob
      @SnuubScadoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I dont think so. The gaming industry right now is woefully unkind to creators and artists. I think he just realized what he couldn't stand putting up with anymore.

    • @adelacreative
      @adelacreative 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SnuubScadoob I think it's the same in any industry if you don't feel happy where you are. Especially in the creative field. With him I sensed something more that that. I might be wrong but it's the feeling I got watching him.

    • @adelacreative
      @adelacreative 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yohenson yes of course, most of us would keep things like these to ourselves. To evolve and grow we have to go through such moments I guess :) Takes lots of courage to leave a place like that!

    • @cesarcampos8746
      @cesarcampos8746 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SnuubScadoob anybody that thinks there's anything creative about gaming at large is decieved, oh wooow look at average ass dragon and iraq soldier guy, wooow. Something like dark souls or minster hunter are some of the few places where creative design is going on.

  • @AndrewMarloweTV
    @AndrewMarloweTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic collaboration and good insight, thanks to all three of you for this great podcast

  • @furionese
    @furionese 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    After this podcast I became a fan of Scott. Well, "fan" is a bad word, I completely subscribe to his opinions and wise words. I subscribed to his channel too.

  • @omegaredtooth5104
    @omegaredtooth5104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is the man. Thank for posting this brutally honest material!

  • @deebonash4487
    @deebonash4487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott is soo well spoken!!!

  • @skjaldulfr
    @skjaldulfr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Riot time sounds awesome. I want Riot time!

  • @markb.8460
    @markb.8460 ปีที่แล้ว

    this was real, felt like fresh air

  • @mikkelmelby
    @mikkelmelby 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shapecarver with amazing reflections! thanks for sharing :)

  • @mariofernandes_sketch
    @mariofernandes_sketch 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great interview!

  • @magni319
    @magni319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Honestly this was very little about the industry and almost everything about Scott Flanders's life thoughts.

    • @SuperFlyGhost
      @SuperFlyGhost 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I disagree, respectfully. Every story of a person from an industry is a reflection of said industry. Even though many may differ.

    • @magni319
      @magni319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@SuperFlyGhost yeah, but from that podcast I expect somewhat practical information - what art styles are sought after, how to make a portfolio, how to apply, how to talk on interviews and so on - not some vague personal thoughts about life.

    • @ZalvaTionZ
      @ZalvaTionZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@magni319 There's plenty of that information available elsewhere where as discussion like this should be brought more to the front.

    • @apehunter1
      @apehunter1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@magni319 there has to be conversations like this where you want to connect with the guys speaking... not everything has to be informal or educational... I personnally enjoyed this conversation very much since I can relate. I am at a similar position and maybe not all the content is for you

    • @the_Googie
      @the_Googie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@magni319 this is the wrong place for that. What art style is sought after? Depends on the job. How to make a portfolio? Depends on the job. How to apply? Dude, did you ever have a job?. These are A - Googleable questions, and B - things that are not subject about this podcast. Its just a window into the individual experience of one worker in the industry. He cant speak for all.

  • @brushonfire8800
    @brushonfire8800 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I put off watching this episode for a long time thinking it was going to be the same old drink the koolaid video game industry talk...but I was wrong it was great. These are feelings ive had as someone on the outside getting a look in from many different experiences and directions and its nice to hear that all my informed guesses weren't wrong. I hope you will have more guests who can talk about the experiences leaving big business in the art world in the future.

  • @leonylopez4604
    @leonylopez4604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That painting is very sweet and scary at the same time...It looks like something happened to the parents of the child. I like it.

  • @krzysztofmathews738
    @krzysztofmathews738 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and informative interview. Definitely worth watching.

  • @dlseller
    @dlseller ปีที่แล้ว

    @ 41:00 What Scott is articulating is the perfect descripting of Failing Upward in the corporate world. It doesn't happen in only the art world, unfortunately.

  • @ajajj4589
    @ajajj4589 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was so inspiring. Thank you, Scott, for being so real! I have enjoyed your art for a while, but now I am impressed with you as a person. I appreciated the honesty in terms of your journey. Hearing you discuss the reasons for changing your professional focus was inspiring. I was touched by your willingness to sacrifice for your son--excellent priorities. I am also impressed with your work ethic and your ability to overcome fear and step into a new career path. You definitely have leadership qualities. I look forward to seeing more great work from you. I will be sharing your inspiring story with my students and friends.

  • @Changetheling
    @Changetheling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent interview. Stan's questions were on point and the fact that
    you allowed the guy to talk about his feelings and thoughts is one if not the most
    needed injections of manning up the contemporary emerging artist field needs more of.
    And of course Marshall always shining with everything he says,
    even when silently listening to others.
    Mad respect to Scott for taking the steps of being a man's man
    and for creating the proper environment to reclaim those places for himself
    and the next generations of young artists in search of their mentors.
    Thank you very much for this episode!! Best podcast for real artists so far!

  • @LOLW
    @LOLW 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is so cool

  • @definitelynotnick2454
    @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This channel should be constantly plugged on the main proko, some of the best stuff and so little ppl watching.

  • @zaphill4346
    @zaphill4346 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: how do you know if you doing 100% but there's no feedback available?

  • @KoongYe
    @KoongYe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am sure I am gonna hear something depressing.

  • @FacundoComix
    @FacundoComix 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This guy gets it. No artsy fartsy bs. I'll be looking his stuff closely.

  • @kylo0053
    @kylo0053 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We want JAMA!!!

  • @NoblesseObligedCP
    @NoblesseObligedCP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You can tell Scott likes Jordan Peterson in the way he speaks.

    • @boram1760
      @boram1760 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      yeah and that's the part that is off putting for me. Still, I'm very happy he came into his own and is pushing forward.

  • @pleasedontdestroythiseither
    @pleasedontdestroythiseither ปีที่แล้ว

    30 51

  • @isaacyanez7996
    @isaacyanez7996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    man,I'm early today

  • @JeffReilly
    @JeffReilly ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy says he's 35 like that means he's old.

  • @petarpehchevski3d338
    @petarpehchevski3d338 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    oooo

  • @emilyconner9256
    @emilyconner9256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Absolutely horrible interview. Stan and Marshall did their best but Scott was so whiny that I couldn’t respect much of what he was saying. Also this interview really wasn’t about the gaming industry and didn’t give much insight there. It should be retitled “why to work for yourself” and could generically be applied to any industry for people who don’t like to be managed. Please don’t do interviews on the podcast anymore if they are going to be like this. I always leave a Draftsman podcast happy and optimistic. This guy was just miserable.

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Sorry the truth about working on others ips when you want to work on your own is miserable, it just is :\

    • @leveledfeats
      @leveledfeats 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to work for themself. Who wants to be a follower when you could be the leader of your own ideas and potentially new ideas? Just my two cents

    • @emilyconner9256
      @emilyconner9256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dom I own my own company. You missed my point completely. The episode was billed as giving info about the gaming industry and yet it offered nothing specific to that industry.

    • @leveledfeats
      @leveledfeats 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@emilyconner9256 So...what exactly do you want to know specifically about the gaming industry?

    • @emilyconner9256
      @emilyconner9256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Dom you seem personally offended. Not sure why. The interview sucked. That’s my opinion. It’s fine if you don’t agree. We’ll all get on with our lives.

  • @Lizard1582
    @Lizard1582 ปีที่แล้ว

    He grew up with no dad, huh.

  • @TheMediaKnights
    @TheMediaKnights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    "I couldn't be causally racist at Riot so I left"

    • @tatjanaberger2666
      @tatjanaberger2666 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      He is concluding on Terms like " I am a liberterian" "Riad is a leftleaning company" his Casual mensioning of Jorden Petersons wich happend over and over as well as his tendencys to try to put Everything into Terms of Left leaning tendensis that make a Workplace unindurable. He does not come across as Racist rather having strong right leaning tendensease ( wich often come with Rasistic worldviews). Not every left leaning/ Progressive Person is a Communist, Please get your Life togheter and don't Feel triggerd by a joke :))

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      strawman again

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@tatjanaberger2666 Right leaning doesn't often come with racist world views, thats so simplistic and untrue, but convenient for those pushing their narrative.

    • @TheMediaKnights
      @TheMediaKnights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Kris lol it's a joke

    • @Changetheling
      @Changetheling 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tatjanaberger2666 Learn to write properly, you're embarrassing everyone with your parrot squawk.

  • @hfmood6281
    @hfmood6281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    When u wan to sleep but the new draftsman episode pops up

  • @PauloRuvalcaba
    @PauloRuvalcaba 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great interview!

  • @yohenson
    @yohenson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    you know what's marvelous about marshall? that he can actually gaze at someone's soul and see what pain it has and can listen to that pain and offer support. that's a humble and noble characteristic i admire of him.

    • @didi1406
      @didi1406 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      great observation. as a therapist, I noticed marshall is very incredible and listening and empathy.

  • @VisiColors
    @VisiColors 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I love you guys and this podcast, but this episode just wasn't it for me. As someone who watches/listens to nearly every art podcast under the sun, I feel like this episode just follows the same formula that a large majority of those other ones do. I love Draftsmen because it's so different from those: it's always positive, inquisitive, informed, and community-driven.
    I mean no offense to Scott Flanders, but I guess I'm just really tired of hearing from people who were in the industry but "broke out" to become a teacher, mentor, or freelancer because they were sick of their jobs. It's continually the case that the artists who have this story are all in their 30's, but they talk as if they're 80 and have lived a full career and have mastered their craft. A part of me wonders if it's more psychological, and if we artists spend so long clawing our way into the industry only to get there and realize that the joy was in trying to "make it". I can't help but feel like, once we reach our goals; now that we've "made it", we become disenchanted with something that we'd put on a pedestal for so long.
    As a side note, every time that Stan or Marshall spoke up to either sort of dig deeper into what Scott was saying or make what he was saying more applicable to us, it felt like a needed critique or addition to this narrative and it was so helpful to hear.
    Love you guys, cheers

    • @randominternetuser2
      @randominternetuser2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Totally agree with this take. This was the weakest episode so far. They just talked about the same thing the entire time. Need more direction to the interview.

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So what are you trying to say? Should they just not invite independent artists who have valuable experience like this for younger artists? Patterns like what you mentioned happen for a reason, I guarantee if you had someone working in the industry on, they wouldn't speak like this simply because they have bills to pay. I'd rather have the truth than sugar coated bs.

    • @the_Googie
      @the_Googie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Not Important most people work shitty ass jobs. Im not talking art industry. Im talking retail, delivery, factories. If I did the most soulless art sitting down at Disney for the rest of my life, id consider that a win. Theres no optimal job.

  • @labzor3107
    @labzor3107 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This is honestly one of the best episode, I loved how Scott brought up not only the difficulties of art development but also how his character developed and the trials that came with this.

  • @aeoligarlic4024
    @aeoligarlic4024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some comments here state how scot's being salty. But i actually appreciate his insights. I don't know maybe those said commenters are not happy with the reality of their dreamjobs not being what they expected.
    Here's a thing, an industry is an industry. No matter where you are be it animation, game, fashion, technology. It really isn't sunshine and rainbows. Hierarchy, office politics, and overtime are everywhere. And when you're in scot's age (which i get where he's coming bc we're in a close brackey) those glitz n glam of being in a big industry just isn't IT anymore

  • @ShinonArt
    @ShinonArt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    This was a very insightful talk and look into gaming industry. I sometimes find myself thinking about what it would be like to do creature designs for a video game versus just doing my own thing. Very good thoughts about the subject. One of the big reasons why I hesitate is how women are treated and perceived in the industry and this episode also touched on that. The question is just ignored altogether. "Is it a boy’s club?" "No, but yeah kinda." Good episode but that last bit made me feel like women are being left out of the conversation and the opportunities. Might be a good topic for another guest talk?

    • @kennydreadfuls861
      @kennydreadfuls861 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Shinon I am friends with an OG female game designer who was extremely influential, and wasn’t directly involved at all with gamergate, but she had to shut all her social media down, and almost left the industry, and she was at the top of the pyramid. But she stayed, shifted her focus to fostering a better environment for everyone. So I hope that continues to get better for you. And I think that you should go for your dreams, but if you find it darkening to a nightmare, get out and regroup and start over. It is better to be working a day job and doing art at night then to let garbage people make you think there art is the problem and we lose another artist.

    • @buyita24slash7
      @buyita24slash7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kennydreadfuls861 in which games did she work on?, i only know about terri brosius who was Shodan in System Shock 2

    • @aeoligarlic4024
      @aeoligarlic4024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah i wish it was dissected further, listening to draftsmen this far I think Marshall has an egalitarian approach in all subjects in general. He tapped into it a bit but sadly it seems like they ran out of time to ellaborate. That being said i think women can thrive in the creative industry as well. Loish is one of my favorite examples

  • @JD.Blango
    @JD.Blango 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Really didn't think I would be that interested in this episode, but man I was soo wrong. The knowledge that the man dropped and the real shit straight talk was very appealing. Related a lot to this episode, and loved it 👏🏾.

  • @Quillet1992
    @Quillet1992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    what middle class job is not about sitting on a corner in front of a pc all day?

  • @marymaheco
    @marymaheco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I used to be very proud of working for the company and always giving beyond what I can. Worked day and night also the weekened with no time left for myself for 9 years one day I felt that I was in an environment where I needed to protect myself. I was simply inside vampire cave. I had no energy left to continue. The job was sucked out all of my life source. In this kind of stage you just run for your life from where you are into the uncertainty.

  • @amiroarrr
    @amiroarrr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Marshall mentioned at 59:15 about artists who are "so happy to have their name in the credit of a movie". I used to be that guy. It is cool when you get to work for movies you actually want to work for, but after a while, I got tired of all the remakes, prequels and sequels. As much as working in the industry was really a cool experience, it slowly became a boring office job when I started to realize that Hollywood is out ideas. Just a word of caution to people looking to enter the industry - that passion can fizzle out, so it may be a good idea to keep up with your creative pursuits outside of work when you're not working your 80 hour weeks.

  • @rokktober-personal
    @rokktober-personal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved this podcast so much, Scott is being truly introspective and honest about his journey. What an awesome human ❤️

  • @wellington66440
    @wellington66440 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I know marshall and stan are being classy and all by letting this guy talk his gut out but I missed a bigger participation from the dynamic duo in this one.

    • @teo4evermj
      @teo4evermj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same! It's cool that they'll have guests, but I hope they won't stop doing episodes with just the two of them

    • @definitelynotnick2454
      @definitelynotnick2454 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The mark of a good interviewer is to guide the guest to do just that. That's what most of the successful longform guest podcasts do.

    • @joaopaints
      @joaopaints 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      That is kinda what they're supposed to do when there's a guest

    • @aeoligarlic4024
      @aeoligarlic4024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's what they always do when they have guests and that's their point

  • @chayemor
    @chayemor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be awesome if you could invite any of these artists over! ;)
    Mingjue Helen Chen
    Yingjue Linda Chen
    Karla Ortiz
    Elena and Olivia Ceballos (elioli)
    Candice Messado
    Oksana Kerro
    Chelsea Blecha
    Cathleen McAllister
    Anya Jo Elvidge
    Allison Perry
    TB Choi

  • @actionanimatics3485
    @actionanimatics3485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Gee,,, thanks for making things political. Blah, blah, blame the liberals. Maybe if Libertarians and conservatives weren't so against a living wage, unions and employee rights, maybe certain artists wouldn't have been asked to work excessive hours in a competitive market. The projection, hypocrisy and ideological grievance expressed here was something to behold. Perhaps it's better placed somewhere else. I did the brutal hours in production and post production, 72 hours without sleep, sleeping in the office to make a deadline. It's a shit deal, but if you don't do it someone else will. But that's the free market without regulation, and that's got conservative politics all over it. Cry me a river.

    • @GITAHxgCoo
      @GITAHxgCoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      he mentioned it for like 5 seconds and was nice, cry more snowflake

    • @nathancrudup9603
      @nathancrudup9603 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Exactly, guy identifies as a libertarian then complains about corporatism as if that’s a leftist thing. This man has no idealogical literacy, and it made it hard for me me to take him seriously.

  • @rdinetainmoun5549
    @rdinetainmoun5549 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I might be 8 months late for the party, but I just listened to this episode for the third time and it resonates so strongly within me... I feel like I can completely relate to the idea of a growing artist, I long for the aforementioned environment where one could get in contact with older artists of the industry and gain some much needed perspective and connections both humane and practical. It leaves me feeling bereft that we do not have such communities involved in digital art industry in my country.
    Such environment sounds like a little piece of heaven...

  • @SuperFlyGhost
    @SuperFlyGhost 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Most artist are independent free thinkers, but many of us are also passive and introverted. So making waves in PC culture can impead our ability to create. So we stay silent in many social situations. And when we do speak up we are looked at as mavericks or are then "othered" by those around us who are also unwilling to speak up. Scott was a breath of fresh air. Hearing Scott's honest and candid take on how the work effected him was truly a gift. I started crying a little when he got choked up and I could see tears in his eyes. Thank you for giving him a space to share his truth with us.

    • @alephthetheropod6210
      @alephthetheropod6210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm not an artist, but I consume artistic products. Do not let PC assholes bully you or break you. Us (the market) like the artists' vision of things, not the vapid nonsense in vogue, you'll see people will support you.

  • @mkAYY825
    @mkAYY825 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    30 minutes in and im wondering....does this dude like anything?

  • @vllad74
    @vllad74 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I will be honesh here. Artists working in the game industry are treated as slaves - all is set up in such a clever way that they don't even realise it. I had never applied to work in the game industry for that reason.

  • @SnuubScadoob
    @SnuubScadoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The gaming industry today is absolutely horrendous and broken. You constantly hear stories of abuse, of people being overworked, threatened, laid off, fired, harassed... the list goes on. DO NOT get a job in the gaming industry of today.

    • @teo4evermj
      @teo4evermj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, I wonder which creative industry is still decent nowadays..

    • @stevebennett2447
      @stevebennett2447 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@p_dusty5451 If you understand who you are and know your core values it's much easier to know what to accept, what to decline and what compromises to make. Unfortunately to get to know them might take a lot of testing with quite a bit of disappointment and frustration on the way. That's why I applaud this conversation, because becoming an artist of any sort is not just "here's what you need to do" but seeking an unique path that works just for you. And navigating by compliments is not the way, you can get good at, even praised and known for something you ultimately dislike.

    • @MaTTheWish
      @MaTTheWish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Honestly, I feel like this is every industry. It is the capitalist model in general.

    • @SnuubScadoob
      @SnuubScadoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MaTTheWish I hear ya! It certainly does feel that way!

    • @leveledfeats
      @leveledfeats 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I completely agree. It's why I've set out on doing my own stuff

  • @zenkiea9663
    @zenkiea9663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bro looks identical to Russell Crowe.

  • @nikyt36
    @nikyt36 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hard to be just a cog when it comes to creativity when there’s no time to satisfy your own personal ideas & goals. That said, that’s working life.

  • @randommcranderson5155
    @randommcranderson5155 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This was the best episode of your podcast.

    • @joaopaints
      @joaopaints 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I totally agree, adding a guest really freshened up the podcast. I highly enjoyed

  • @willheydecker6179
    @willheydecker6179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an incredible goddamn podcast

  • @peterjacksonanton4814
    @peterjacksonanton4814 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Haha when he talks about odd jobs, living with parents, and making less than 15,000 a year, that's where I am right now! Hopefully only a year or two before I can make a living though

    • @elsewherebruh
      @elsewherebruh 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What odd jobs in particular?😆

  • @NoblesseObligedCP
    @NoblesseObligedCP 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    52:24 "I think this is in everyone to do this" lifts arms up to reveal believe tattoo

  • @leonylopez4604
    @leonylopez4604 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the hammerman sculpture. I understand some artists don´t want to be like with a false sense of identity, they don´t want to be recognized, and to see their names in a pedestal. Instead, they want to love what they do in art. I like the human anatomy, but I think I would love to paint people live, seated on a chair, and laugh with a caricature done by me.

  • @thejakobistable
    @thejakobistable 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I get Scotts take on the left artists in the gaming industry. I started following a lot of great artists because of their work on twitter and my twitter timeline changed rapidly into non stop trump and conservative bashing. I am from EU and not a conservative at all, neither a trump fan but that annoyed me after 3 weeks.

    • @corruptqc8334
      @corruptqc8334 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      In america the center seems non existent. you either right or left..

    • @sambrook3010
      @sambrook3010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah I deleted my twitter when my feed became non stop retweeting of antifa/blm propaganda. There are a lot of dishonest people out there that will attack people, and start the clip out of context to paint themselves as the victims rather than the perpetrators.
      I spent so much energy debunking all these viral videos coming out recently and it was just not worth the effort at all, because even when you can show for a fact 80% of what they retweet is blatantly false they will continue to believe whatever they see at face value sadly.

    • @psychiccrocodile3679
      @psychiccrocodile3679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Guess what else is annoying? Sexism and racism, non inclusivity. I totally get your perspective, cancel culture is awful, but the other side is much more harmful. It's just now white dudes are realizing their privilege.

    • @zszyTW
      @zszyTW 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@psychiccrocodile3679 There's no white privelage or racism problem in American, you white people have lived in such a bubble for so long you invent problems for yourselves.

    • @puma21puma21
      @puma21puma21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@psychiccrocodile3679 you look white to me? Somehow it falls only on white dudes to realise their privilege?

  • @rskrakau8137
    @rskrakau8137 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So refreshing that you are inviting guests now. Go on like that!

  • @Garl_Vinland
    @Garl_Vinland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    It's eye opening to hear about certain aspects from the gaming industry today; I want to know more about this "liberal" bias that was mentioned, because I've heard that the industry has become rather cultish with its view points, while being full of cancel culture these days-yet at the same time, you got these weirdos like Noah Bradley who are also running around?

    • @solarmkarus2845
      @solarmkarus2845 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Why is noah bradley a weirdo? I'm out of the loop.

    • @Garl_Vinland
      @Garl_Vinland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@solarmkarus2845 He was handsy with women co-workers in the field and during parties.
      Made a public apology on Twitter and Wizards of the Coast fired him, essentially he got canceled.
      But this doesn't begin or end with him, I find a lot of the higher ups also display this behavior, but at the same time, you got this incredibly strict PC culture working in the field, and will chastise anyone that doesn't prescribe to certain ideologies. Those same people who enforce this, do things that Noah Bradley did. It's weird.

    • @SmilingImp
      @SmilingImp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      the "liberal bias" is that theres a lot of women & gay people & poc in the art industry and some dudes have a hard time not being an asshole about that

    • @Garl_Vinland
      @Garl_Vinland 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@SmilingImp But the point is it's all surface level. The dudes at the top are still making the rules, but the rules dont affect them, instead its used as a kind of culling tool to weed out mavericks as well as any asshole types. But the assholes still run the show.

    • @psychiccrocodile3679
      @psychiccrocodile3679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Liberal bias vs sexism and racism etc... the white privileged dudes are affected by the liberal bias, but everyone else is affected by the other side. So, you're gonna hear more about liberal bias because more white dudes are in the arena.

  • @WaSiLLy63
    @WaSiLLy63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Humans are soooo fascinating! Loved listening and hearing, watching and dreaming! Thank you Scott for sharing the stories of your life. I sensed wonderful amount of strength in you! God bless you! As He certainly has. :)

  • @AmmarYaqoub1020
    @AmmarYaqoub1020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the Thumbnails of these interviews though

  • @willheydecker6179
    @willheydecker6179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I LOVE THE HAMMERHEAD SCULPTURE ON SCOTT'S SHELF!

  • @katakana-kun2122
    @katakana-kun2122 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    8:13 the reason why I work in the games industry in Japan.

  • @silschouten
    @silschouten 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hope i got a bright artistic future haha, ha ... 🙃

  • @josh-yl7li
    @josh-yl7li 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Draftsmen please interview Jeff watts please!

  • @__-fi6xg
    @__-fi6xg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Marshal is just majestic.

  • @luispaoloapostol2047
    @luispaoloapostol2047 ปีที่แล้ว

    W human

  • @camy_spirit5360
    @camy_spirit5360 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Last minute: 36:24

  • @zachariasstarlid4254
    @zachariasstarlid4254 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic video!

  • @navydot2554
    @navydot2554 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    No one is FORCED to work in a company. Working for a company and not care about what they’re doing is really distasteful. Even if you have your own vision you’ll end up hiring people to help you achieve it. My work ethics is as long as i chose to work for someone and get paid for it i will respect their vision and do my work with passion. Riot was mentioned here a lot but all i got was that they’re really taking good care of their employees and offering a positive environment.

  • @s9771329d
    @s9771329d 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "pursuing art as a full time job... was a mistake"

  • @Schaggar
    @Schaggar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey