Hello. Is Osmo pocket 3 best camera for IRL live streaming at the moment ? Which encoder is worth to buy ? Maybe you could suggest anything ? Is Osmo pocket 3 and Yolobox ultra good solutions to start streaming?
I attempted streaming with the Osmo Pocket 3 in webcam mode and the stream had a lot of jitters. I know this is a known issue. How is it that you're not experiencing them here?
So, all you have to do is plug in the USB to the belabox and it will work even if the HDMI port is not used? What do you choose for the encoder settings in belabox cloud, especially when you choose to use the internal mics. Thank you 😊
Hello from Dublin! I wanted to use this camera for outdoor streaming, but even at home, with good Wi-Fi, the video bitrate is very low and I constantly get connection dropouts, and about every twenty minutes the stream is simply interrupted. Attempts to continue the stream are unsuccessful, I have to reconnect MIMO to my iPhone and start the stream again. Quality 720@25 There are no such problems with ZowieBox on the same Wi-Fi. Streams also work well with the phone, but Pocket 3 is clearly doing something wrong. Do you have any advice that could help me? Thank you!
How are you streaming with the camera ? I only use it to stream using RTMP or USB webcam to a Belabox encoder. I would never use it to stream RTMP directly to your OBS at home or straight to a streaming platform. I wouldn't be sure, how reliable that is.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual I don't use OBS bc it requires too much performance, I just use ffmpeg and firefox at my home server, where video from different cameras is processed and a layer with chats is added. From there it sent in one stream to a server in the Netherlands, since there I have a more powerful Internet channel for restreaming to different platforms. But this is not important now, I can stream directly to RTMP TH-cam or Twitch, the problem is with the connection interruption, even the Wi-Fi icon in MIMO Livestream shows that the connection is constantly lost. Yesterday I did a lot of tests (about 8 hours) and it seems I found the reason. This streams normally longtime only when the power is constantly connected, for example a power bank. When it runs only on its own battery it is much worse
@@aesthetic_artcrafts Can't help you there. I would never use it that way. Especially not over a mobile connection, as there are way too many factors, where it can go wrong. The RTMP portion, when I stream, is locally only and I use an encoder, that can handle SRT, proper adaptive bitrate then.
That doesn't have much to do with this video, but you might want to look into InstaMIc . Those do exactly that. I even have a few videos on their microphones.
😮am impressed oh and hanks for a great reviw. In the end tour it seems that the audio is in mono mode, am I right? why? Doesn't streaming in P3 allow stereo?😮
@@EmeraldAudiovisual ahaa... but P3 does provide stereo, right? Maybe You were using the external mic! Tjat is alwaus mono if there is only one! The Rode Duo can be put to L-R channels
@@JuusoHooi have a combination of thngs. And even exernal mics are not always mono, if you pick the right ones. I'll have an updated video on that eventually. But the issue you spotted is purely me adjusting things in post :) You can blame me for that.
How long could you stream USB C to belabox without over heating? I usually stream for 6 to 8 hours IRL streaming? I thought you said about 4 hours but wasn’t sure. I’m stuck between buying a dji action 4 and this pocket 3. But love the low light on the pocket 3
Thank you so much for the informative video. To me it seems like webcam mode degrades the video quality. Could this be because of the USB connection and a lack of hdmi output? Thanks!
Yes. The USBcable for the webcam output also provides charge to the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, so it never depletes unless the powerbank in the backpack is empty.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Thank you so much for your quick response. Thats funny because i just asked about the same thing on dji support and theyve told me it will NOT be charged :D
@@FlipperYXZ That's both correct and wrong. And that's down to the draw of the camera. The camera draws about 6W. It will take power from the USB first, then when that is not sufficient, it will draw from the entender battery (if you're using that) and then the internal battery. A standard USB port on a PC provides 2.5W for a USB2 port and 4.5W for a USB3 port, so the battery will be drained over time and there is no scope or room for charging. The board in my backpack (matter of fact both Belabox on Jetson Nano, Belabox on Rockchip, LinkPi ENC1 V2, TBS 2603AU, Yolobox Mini/Pro and Magewell Director Mini) the USB ports can provide the full draw of the camera (6W+), so the camera battery never gets drained and may even charge a little, if needed. The responses you have got on the DJI Forum are likely to be related to PC USB port use. And yes, with not enough current coming from the port, it can't charge the battery.
Great review! But one little detail is missing: In usb webcam mode the pocket 3 is not charging. So using it as a webcam is time limited :-/ or do you have other experience?
I don't show the screen in webcam mode in the video, but your conclusion is wrong. It is charging, when in webcam mode. The camera only draws 5-6W, if you start with a full battery, so it will never deplete. I matter of fact ran a webcam test stream for 5 hours and the camera never shut down due to temperature nor did it loose any charge. The battery logo may not show any charge and that is when the battery is full and the camera just uses the USB power directly to drive the camera.
Thank you very much for your reply🙏. That is interesting. I just unpacked the cam, connected it via usb to my pc and after a few minutes of streaming i saw it was running out of batt. And the display on the pocket shows up, that it is in webcam mode.
@@raffaelleb8793 It would be best to start with a full battery. And your PC may not give it enough power, depending on what motherboard you have and what type of port you plugged it into. PC USB ports only supply 0.5A (2.5W) on USB2 and 0.9A (4.5W) on USB3 typically. And as I already stated, you need 6W.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual you are really deep into technical knowledge. Thank you very much, you helped a lot. 🙏🙏🙏 i call you from now on amazing emerald ;-)
I am using a script by b3ck ( github.com/b3ck/server-bitrate-html ), that can pull the bitrate from nginx, SLS or Belabox Cloud. The radio bars is a different overlay, that only can be used with Belabox cloud.
That is crap GoPro not doing an industry standard of UVC mode and must use some software to enable it. Using GoPro 8/9/10/11/12 with MediaMod and HDMI output is quite buggy and not stable solution :(
You need the pipeline for mjpeg and 1080p. Also make sure to set your Osmo Pocket to "landscape". Then specificly select the soundcard in Belabox, that is the Pocket 3.
The Radxa Rock 5A doesn't have HDMI. It's the one board, that is basically for RTMP or USB only. And it's easier to power than a Jetson. Matter of fact, all the rk3588 boards are easier to power than the Jetson Nanos.
That is right. I have a lot Jetson Nano 2Gb / 4GB versions, using good power bank I can power it right or better with UPS module from waveshark. But still have issue with max 1A on 2 USB3.0 ports both so cannot use a lot of modems over USB - only Ethernet
@@EmeraldAudiovisualI using Orange Pi 5 Plus and HDMI input but beginning success with no issues now have some EMI interferences with ZTE and NETGEAR modems :(
@@kamileqonesee: I don't have these problems, because I don't use the HDMI-in to begin with. The DJI cameras are USB webcam in. So no interference issues.
Thanks for sharing all of that! If I just wanted to use the Pocket 3 as a good webcam on my computer, is there anything special I would need or does it work just right out of the box?
@@EmeraldAudiovisual the guy said he wanted to use it just as a webcam for his computer, he said nothing about on the go livestreaming. My statement still applies. Buying a pocket 3 to use just as a webcam is overkill and a waste of money
Why not just stream with the latest iphone or android? Whats the purpose of all the extra gear? Wont the phone stream footage look just as good if not better?
First of all, with your phone, you only have 1 internet connection. I'm using 5 !! (yes, there are apps now that provide bonding, but not to the degree of the gear, that I'm using). Where I'm streaming, I'd be offline more than half of the time, if I didn't have multiple data connections. Second, your phone will overheat. Third, your phone is a pretty big device, gets more attention and is not as easy to body mount and frame as an action or lifestyle camera. There are many, that live stream on phones, but when they want to upgrade, improve their stream or make it more reliable, then they take the route of the kit, that I'm using here.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Sound as reliability is much better with your custom setup. Is is possible to make a comprison of video quality of streaming between your setup+Pocket 3 and just an iphone on a gimbal?
@@martinr4637 Sure. But for an iPhone you don't even need a gimbal, as it has really good optical stabilisation to begin with and also gives third party apps access to that. The issue is more with Android phones, that don't allow third party apps to get access to the hardware stabilisation of the phone, so hence using a gimbal.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Can you explain the purpose of 5 internet connections, and how are they different from one another? I'm guessing it's some kind of redundancy play... but here in the US I'm having a hard time conceptualizing how I would get 5 different internet connections that are materially different from one another. I was going to ask the same question as the OP here. Seems like A LOT of work & money when just a simple iPhone stream would provide the same outcome.
@@CRE8VALU If you always stream in the same area and you know, what coverage you have there, then you'll easily survive on one or two connections, but if you constantly venture into new areas, where you don't know the coverage, then more connections allow for a more stable stream. And yes, that also applies to the US, there's plenty of areas, where the coverage between AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile wildly differs. You may have AT&T coverage in one end of the city and then nothing on the other end, where as T-Mobile might give you coverage there. At the end of the day, you have to decide your budget, how much offline drops of your stream is acceptable etc.
wow that livestreaming backpack you've got 😂 I need to learn what precisely you've done in the backpack.. I hope DJI comes with a Livestreaming handle that includes SRT/HEVC encoder, dual 5G modem bonding service like speedify VPN, with dual SIM card, redundant backup recording to 1TB, few custom setup buttons, multi-cam Type-C inputs and then let us manage the multicam switching via DJI Mimo app or perhaps even on the 2" built-in display. 😂
Is there a new feature at the pocket 3 to use it as a webcam? Via usbc / hdmi cable? On pocket 2 there is no feature to do so. Or is there a hack to do so? Thx
Thanks for sharing! In the daytime footage I kind of prefer the Action 4. Not sure if it's because of the wider angle or maybe it's the frame rate. Overall still see the Osmo being the better pick out of the two.
The frame rate is the same for both (30 fps), that can't be changed for webcam nor RTMP. But the two have a bit different feel to each other. Luckily, we also have all stabilisation modes in webcam mode on the OA4 now, so both choices are good.
Thanks for the video. Your channel is the first which i check when i want to know if new camera good for live streaming :D To be honest i prefer Action 4 in daytime, looks better to me, even though it looks a bit softer in UVC mode. It would be cool if there was 50 fps (or at least 25, Action 4 doesn't have antiflicker setting). And there are some cool settings when just shooting, like you can lock shutter speed to ranges, like 200 - 8000 for example, and iso like 100 - 6400, but you dont have it in UVC mode for some reason. That would be soooooo useful for live streaming with action 4, so you can just lock it and stream and even when it gets darker you won't have EIS problems. Don't understand why DJI decided to remove it from UVC mode. And yeah Action 4 doesn't turn screen off.
25 fps is now possible with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, if you use RTMP+Wifi. The DJI Osmo Action 4 unfortunately didn't get that update, it did get another RTMP update though: all stabilisation modes. This came with DJI Mimo 1.11.0 last week.
@@EmeraldAudiovisualRedownloaded it from djis website, and it isn't still showing any updates =(( And i dont see any ways to force update a camera, weird. UPD: did it it once again and it worked =)) Thanks for helping
night stream quality is excellent but there's something very wrong with the daytime stream footage: over-sharp, overexposed, unreal colours, choppy, it honestly looks like 200 euros, not 600 (only here, only daytime stream, in other videos i've seen it put more expensive cameras to shame)
What you have to consider, is that I'm streaming at 5000 Kbps HEVC (equivalent to 8000 Kbps H264) and there is a lot of foliage. So a higher bitrate would result in better image quality, but would not be a real world example, because the likes of Twitch won't give us the bitrates to do so. You are comparing apples and oranges, because the other examples you are referring to are video recordings at full bitrate. Not live streaming. If you were to stream RTMP/h254 using the internal RTMP function of the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, then you would actually be at even lower bitrate (max 6000 Kbps H264).
i'm aware of what you say about bitrate, but in this particular example i think something else is going on too@@EmeraldAudiovisual in any case, it's just one example
I completely agree about the microphone branding.. It's a totally ridiculous and cheap bit of desperate branding on DJI's part.. This camera is so hot right now, there's not many people in these circles that still isn't aware about the Pocket 3.. So I think it's completely redundant to paste their logo onto the mic. One of the biggest selling points about this camera is it doesn't draw attention.. And they go and whack that great big white logo on the mic... Seems quite an oversight to me, and like you I will be going over it with a marker or some black electrical tape. Other than that, very minor gripe... It's a fantastic camera! DJI totally knocked it out of the park! I have just been walking around the neighbourhood in very low light, and while it's not going to win any awards, the footage is so much better than my phone, or any action camera I have seen. I have just set it up with OBS and it looks fantastic as a webcam, and you can still use tracking in webcam mode... Amazing! I look forward to doing some daylight tests tomorrow!
I have streamed to Facebook with my iPhone about 2 hours straight with powerbank attached when I was watching dog shows. No overheating or anything. It was about 24 celcius and partly sunny day. Most of the iPhones now can shoot 4k60 without issues, so 720p or 1080p streaming is nothing.
But that's not a bonded stream with multiple modems, load balancing and automatic failover !! You're comparing apples and oranges. People that stream on iPhones also use the same setup, I'm using here, to get the higher reliability for their streams, by streaming RTMP to Belabox and then letting Belabox in the backpack take care of the modems. Let me give you an example: if I didn't have at least 2 different modems, my stream would go offline in that roundabout, that you're seeing in the video. The connection is so bad at that spot. Additionally comparing recording 4k60 with 1080p streaming is also not comparable. When you record your video, you are not using any data on your iPhone. When you're streaming, you're constantly using the modem of your iPhone and constantly transmitting data. That is the biggest cause of your phone heating up. And your example of streaming 2 hours to Facebook is a 720p30 stream (you have to be monetized on Facebook to be allowed to stream 1080p), so it'll take a bit longer for your phone to overheat there than if you were at 1080p30 or 1080p60.
@@m11kan Additionally, my setup saves me 30-50% mobile data vs you streaming straight to Facebook and gives me the ablility to add overlays and alerts. You can check out why, if you watch my IRL for beginners tutorial.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual nowadays we have amazingly good 4G and 5G connections here in Finland as default almost everywhere.. Some people even switch their home fiber connections to 5G. Anyway with the contract you get free unlimited data here and the Nordic countries and the Baltics. Speed is constant between 100-1000 Mbit/s (depending of the contract). I know there are places (in the wild forest) where connections are not that good and some people who are using GPS-tracker for their dogs have one sim-card that can handle pretty seamesly multiple internet providers.. but usually where I have been streaming to Facebook or TH-cam there have been no problems so far and some places indoors have good wifi connection as well. I don't do professional streaming work so that is totally fine for me. :)
@m11kan The gps-trackers you're talking about, use very little data. They can survive on near to no signal. And your experience is limited to a very small area of the world. Try up in northern Finland and you'll struggle. Lots of rural areas of Scandinavia don't have the coverage, that you have. If a single connection works for you, all the better for you, but don't asume, that it's the same for everyone, everywhere in the world. And places having wifi, you will fail using the internal wifi function for streaming of the pocket, if the wifi requires you to log in through a web portal. My setup however can do that.
You will be hard pressed to find cameras, that have SRT integrated. You're in broadcast territory camcorders and ENG cameras at that point. That is one more reason, why I use the webcam output of the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and then encode to SRTLA/HEVC with my Belabox encoder in the backpack.
It would be great if you do one with 60fps at daytime, and 30fps at nighttime. Im an IRL streamer and seriously considering building your kit. Also i read something about "Low-light" option in Pocket 3, it can be turned off and on anytime under livestream? This whole kit needs if you want to use to stream? As i read it have a feature to stream to RTMP server. I thinking of just simply buying it, creating an RTMP server at home, which sending to twitch and connecting a powerbank to the pocket 3. Is it will overheat like the pocket 2? Thank you all the info! @@EmeraldAudiovisual
It might not have shown, what you expected. Try look up "IRL streaming" or check into the "Just chatting" section of Twitch, if you want to get a better understanding at which audience this video is aimed at.
Today I returned my pocket 3 back ! Overheating problems. I tried to do a 4K 60fps HDR video and my camera stopped working around 15min.later ! UNEXEPTABLE Dji ! Totally UNEXEPTABLE 👎👎👎
Thanks for going over all of this in your videos. You're the only one on youtube I've found that presents everything all together so well. Thanks 👍
Hello. Is Osmo pocket 3 best camera for IRL live streaming at the moment ? Which encoder is worth to buy ? Maybe you could suggest anything ? Is Osmo pocket 3 and Yolobox ultra good solutions to start streaming?
I attempted streaming with the Osmo Pocket 3 in webcam mode and the stream had a lot of jitters. I know this is a known issue. How is it that you're not experiencing them here?
So, all you have to do is plug in the USB to the belabox and it will work even if the HDMI port is not used? What do you choose for the encoder settings in belabox cloud, especially when you choose to use the internal mics. Thank you 😊
Hello from Dublin! I wanted to use this camera for outdoor streaming, but even at home, with good Wi-Fi, the video bitrate is very low and I constantly get connection dropouts, and about every twenty minutes the stream is simply interrupted. Attempts to continue the stream are unsuccessful, I have to reconnect MIMO to my iPhone and start the stream again. Quality 720@25
There are no such problems with ZowieBox on the same Wi-Fi. Streams also work well with the phone, but Pocket 3 is clearly doing something wrong. Do you have any advice that could help me? Thank you!
How are you streaming with the camera ? I only use it to stream using RTMP or USB webcam to a Belabox encoder. I would never use it to stream RTMP directly to your OBS at home or straight to a streaming platform. I wouldn't be sure, how reliable that is.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual I don't use OBS bc it requires too much performance, I just use ffmpeg and firefox at my home server, where video from different cameras is processed and a layer with chats is added. From there it sent in one stream to a server in the Netherlands, since there I have a more powerful Internet channel for restreaming to different platforms. But this is not important now, I can stream directly to RTMP TH-cam or Twitch, the problem is with the connection interruption, even the Wi-Fi icon in MIMO Livestream shows that the connection is constantly lost. Yesterday I did a lot of tests (about 8 hours) and it seems I found the reason. This streams normally longtime only when the power is constantly connected, for example a power bank. When it runs only on its own battery it is much worse
@@aesthetic_artcrafts Can't help you there. I would never use it that way. Especially not over a mobile connection, as there are way too many factors, where it can go wrong.
The RTMP portion, when I stream, is locally only and I use an encoder, that can handle SRT, proper adaptive bitrate then.
Is it possible to connect a microphone to a smartphone wirelessly?
That doesn't have much to do with this video, but you might want to look into InstaMIc . Those do exactly that. I even have a few videos on their microphones.
Hi, it works with yolobox pro with clean usb c output?
Yes. Using a USB-C to USB-A cable. USB-C on the Pocket 3 and USB-A on the YoloBox Pro. Both video and audio working.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual thank you
There? There. There! Great video!
Great video thanks - can it still record internally whilst in webcam mode ?
It can. But only until you get the first overheat warning. And it will be at the same 1080p30 resolution as the webcam feed.
😮am impressed oh and hanks for a great reviw. In the end tour it seems that the audio is in mono mode, am I right? why? Doesn't streaming in P3 allow stereo?😮
It does. But I might have dropped some of the audio to mono in post.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual ahaa... but P3 does provide stereo, right? Maybe You were using the external mic! Tjat is alwaus mono if there is only one! The Rode Duo can be put to L-R channels
@@JuusoHooi have a combination of thngs. And even exernal mics are not always mono, if you pick the right ones. I'll have an updated video on that eventually. But the issue you spotted is purely me adjusting things in post :) You can blame me for that.
can you explain please how to hook it o the yolopro as a input camera...if possible can it be wireless?
Wireless is not possible. Only as USB webcam on the USB port of the YoloBox Pro.
How long could you stream USB C to belabox without over heating? I usually stream for 6 to 8 hours IRL streaming? I thought you said about 4 hours but wasn’t sure. I’m stuck between buying a dji action 4 and this pocket 3. But love the low light on the pocket 3
Thank you so much for the informative video. To me it seems like webcam mode degrades the video quality. Could this be because of the USB connection and a lack of hdmi output? Thanks!
Hi thanks for the video. can you please tell me if pocket 3 is being charged through usb when connected to backpack?
Yes. The USBcable for the webcam output also provides charge to the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, so it never depletes unless the powerbank in the backpack is empty.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Thank you so much for your quick response. Thats funny because i just asked about the same thing on dji support and theyve told me it will NOT be charged :D
@@FlipperYXZ That's both correct and wrong. And that's down to the draw of the camera.
The camera draws about 6W. It will take power from the USB first, then when that is not sufficient, it will draw from the entender battery (if you're using that) and then the internal battery.
A standard USB port on a PC provides 2.5W for a USB2 port and 4.5W for a USB3 port, so the battery will be drained over time and there is no scope or room for charging.
The board in my backpack (matter of fact both Belabox on Jetson Nano, Belabox on Rockchip, LinkPi ENC1 V2, TBS 2603AU, Yolobox Mini/Pro and Magewell Director Mini) the USB ports can provide the full draw of the camera (6W+), so the camera battery never gets drained and may even charge a little, if needed.
The responses you have got on the DJI Forum are likely to be related to PC USB port use. And yes, with not enough current coming from the port, it can't charge the battery.
Great review! But one little detail is missing: In usb webcam mode the pocket 3 is not charging. So using it as a webcam is time limited :-/ or do you have other experience?
I don't show the screen in webcam mode in the video, but your conclusion is wrong. It is charging, when in webcam mode. The camera only draws 5-6W, if you start with a full battery, so it will never deplete. I matter of fact ran a webcam test stream for 5 hours and the camera never shut down due to temperature nor did it loose any charge. The battery logo may not show any charge and that is when the battery is full and the camera just uses the USB power directly to drive the camera.
Thank you very much for your reply🙏. That is interesting. I just unpacked the cam, connected it via usb to my pc and after a few minutes of streaming i saw it was running out of batt. And the display on the pocket shows up, that it is in webcam mode.
@@raffaelleb8793 It would be best to start with a full battery. And your PC may not give it enough power, depending on what motherboard you have and what type of port you plugged it into. PC USB ports only supply 0.5A (2.5W) on USB2 and 0.9A (4.5W) on USB3 typically. And as I already stated, you need 6W.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual you are really deep into technical knowledge. Thank you very much, you helped a lot. 🙏🙏🙏 i call you from now on amazing emerald ;-)
Hey, how did you get the bitrate on the screen in the videos
I am using a script by b3ck ( github.com/b3ck/server-bitrate-html ), that can pull the bitrate from nginx, SLS or Belabox Cloud. The radio bars is a different overlay, that only can be used with Belabox cloud.
Do you know if any UVC WEBCAM MODE from GoPro 9/10/11/12 works fine over USB to Belabox?
No, it does not. GoPro Webcam is proprietary and requires their desktop software to work. So you can't use them on anything else than Windows or Mac.
That is crap GoPro not doing an industry standard of UVC mode and must use some software to enable it. Using GoPro 8/9/10/11/12 with MediaMod and HDMI output is quite buggy and not stable solution :(
what encoder settings i need to change in my belabox config area for webcam mode?
You need the pipeline for mjpeg and 1080p. Also make sure to set your Osmo Pocket to "landscape". Then specificly select the soundcard in Belabox, that is the Pocket 3.
Why you using rockblock ARM instead of Nvidia Jetson Nano? Orange Pi? No issues with HDMI?
The Radxa Rock 5A doesn't have HDMI. It's the one board, that is basically for RTMP or USB only. And it's easier to power than a Jetson.
Matter of fact, all the rk3588 boards are easier to power than the Jetson Nanos.
That is right. I have a lot Jetson Nano 2Gb / 4GB versions, using good power bank I can power it right or better with UPS module from waveshark. But still have issue with max 1A on 2 USB3.0 ports both so cannot use a lot of modems over USB - only Ethernet
@@EmeraldAudiovisualI using Orange Pi 5 Plus and HDMI input but beginning success with no issues now have some EMI interferences with ZTE and NETGEAR modems :(
@@kamileqonesee: I don't have these problems, because I don't use the HDMI-in to begin with. The DJI cameras are USB webcam in. So no interference issues.
Thanks for sharing all of that! If I just wanted to use the Pocket 3 as a good webcam on my computer, is there anything special I would need or does it work just right out of the box?
It will just work out of the box. I had some problems with VLC grabbing the feed, but OBS has no problems. Zoom also works with the Pocket 3.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual That's great! Thanks for the info!
Id say you are way overspending if you are just using it as a webcam. There are plenty of very good webcams out there for way less
@@JoshThompson25 and you missed the purpose of the video. Show me one webcam, that has stabilisation usable for live streaming on the go.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual the guy said he wanted to use it just as a webcam for his computer, he said nothing about on the go livestreaming. My statement still applies. Buying a pocket 3 to use just as a webcam is overkill and a waste of money
Why not just stream with the latest iphone or android? Whats the purpose of all the extra gear? Wont the phone stream footage look just as good if not better?
First of all, with your phone, you only have 1 internet connection. I'm using 5 !! (yes, there are apps now that provide bonding, but not to the degree of the gear, that I'm using). Where I'm streaming, I'd be offline more than half of the time, if I didn't have multiple data connections.
Second, your phone will overheat.
Third, your phone is a pretty big device, gets more attention and is not as easy to body mount and frame as an action or lifestyle camera.
There are many, that live stream on phones, but when they want to upgrade, improve their stream or make it more reliable, then they take the route of the kit, that I'm using here.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Sound as reliability is much better with your custom setup. Is is possible to make a comprison of video quality of streaming between your setup+Pocket 3 and just an iphone on a gimbal?
@@martinr4637 Sure. But for an iPhone you don't even need a gimbal, as it has really good optical stabilisation to begin with and also gives third party apps access to that. The issue is more with Android phones, that don't allow third party apps to get access to the hardware stabilisation of the phone, so hence using a gimbal.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Can you explain the purpose of 5 internet connections, and how are they different from one another? I'm guessing it's some kind of redundancy play... but here in the US I'm having a hard time conceptualizing how I would get 5 different internet connections that are materially different from one another. I was going to ask the same question as the OP here. Seems like A LOT of work & money when just a simple iPhone stream would provide the same outcome.
@@CRE8VALU If you always stream in the same area and you know, what coverage you have there, then you'll easily survive on one or two connections, but if you constantly venture into new areas, where you don't know the coverage, then more connections allow for a more stable stream.
And yes, that also applies to the US, there's plenty of areas, where the coverage between AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile wildly differs. You may have AT&T coverage in one end of the city and then nothing on the other end, where as T-Mobile might give you coverage there.
At the end of the day, you have to decide your budget, how much offline drops of your stream is acceptable etc.
The webcam mode looks better than streaming mode even in low light. But the 30fps only is the biggest weakness for the action 3 for irl purpose.
Just make sure to select the right frequency to avoid flicker !
wow that livestreaming backpack you've got 😂 I need to learn what precisely you've done in the backpack.. I hope DJI comes with a Livestreaming handle that includes SRT/HEVC encoder, dual 5G modem bonding service like speedify VPN, with dual SIM card, redundant backup recording to 1TB, few custom setup buttons, multi-cam Type-C inputs and then let us manage the multicam switching via DJI Mimo app or perhaps even on the 2" built-in display. 😂
The DJI Osmo Pocket 3 only handles RTMP/h264. I use an external encoder and use the Pocket via webcam. The links are in the description of video.
Is there a new feature at the pocket 3 to use it as a webcam? Via usbc / hdmi cable? On pocket 2 there is no feature to do so. Or is there a hack to do so? Thx
@@Kultfriedegott Yes. The Pocket 3 supports UVC webcam. You can find a video about that in my channel at th-cam.com/video/eBTNeOBZi7I/w-d-xo.html
Can you use USB to HDMI connected to an encoder?
No. That is not suppported.
Thank you for making the time and doing such a good job. Liked and subscribed.
What a hero.. good video
Thanks for sharing! In the daytime footage I kind of prefer the Action 4. Not sure if it's because of the wider angle or maybe it's the frame rate. Overall still see the Osmo being the better pick out of the two.
The frame rate is the same for both (30 fps), that can't be changed for webcam nor RTMP. But the two have a bit different feel to each other. Luckily, we also have all stabilisation modes in webcam mode on the OA4 now, so both choices are good.
Great video!
The video of pocket3 is overall frame dropping, uncomfortable to look at.
nice
Thanks for the video. Your channel is the first which i check when i want to know if new camera good for live streaming :D
To be honest i prefer Action 4 in daytime, looks better to me, even though it looks a bit softer in UVC mode. It would be cool if there was 50 fps (or at least 25, Action 4 doesn't have antiflicker setting).
And there are some cool settings when just shooting, like you can lock shutter speed to ranges, like 200 - 8000 for example, and iso like 100 - 6400, but you dont have it in UVC mode for some reason. That would be soooooo useful for live streaming with action 4, so you can just lock it and stream and even when it gets darker you won't have EIS problems. Don't understand why DJI decided to remove it from UVC mode. And yeah Action 4 doesn't turn screen off.
The OA4 also is a very nice choice. And at least we now have all stabilisation options on webcam. It was very basic in the Action 2 and OA3.
25 fps is now possible with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, if you use RTMP+Wifi. The DJI Osmo Action 4 unfortunately didn't get that update, it did get another RTMP update though: all stabilisation modes. This came with DJI Mimo 1.11.0 last week.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Really? I still have 01.02.0710
That's very old. The updates can not be got in the Play store anymore, if you are on Android. They have to be downloaded from DJIs website.
@@EmeraldAudiovisualRedownloaded it from djis website, and it isn't still showing any updates =(( And i dont see any ways to force update a camera, weird. UPD: did it it once again and it worked =)) Thanks for helping
night stream quality is excellent but there's something very wrong with the daytime stream footage: over-sharp, overexposed, unreal colours, choppy, it honestly looks like 200 euros, not 600 (only here, only daytime stream, in other videos i've seen it put more expensive cameras to shame)
What you have to consider, is that I'm streaming at 5000 Kbps HEVC (equivalent to 8000 Kbps H264) and there is a lot of foliage. So a higher bitrate would result in better image quality, but would not be a real world example, because the likes of Twitch won't give us the bitrates to do so.
You are comparing apples and oranges, because the other examples you are referring to are video recordings at full bitrate. Not live streaming. If you were to stream RTMP/h254 using the internal RTMP function of the DJI Osmo Pocket 3, then you would actually be at even lower bitrate (max 6000 Kbps H264).
i'm aware of what you say about bitrate, but in this particular example i think something else is going on too@@EmeraldAudiovisual in any case, it's just one example
@@EmeraldAudiovisualnot true. I livestream with my 200dollar p30 pro and it gets better picture no choppiness at twitch.
Something is wrong.
verry good video , thx thx for video ! i love pocket 3
I completely agree about the microphone branding.. It's a totally ridiculous and cheap bit of desperate branding on DJI's part.. This camera is so hot right now, there's not many people in these circles that still isn't aware about the Pocket 3.. So I think it's completely redundant to paste their logo onto the mic. One of the biggest selling points about this camera is it doesn't draw attention.. And they go and whack that great big white logo on the mic... Seems quite an oversight to me, and like you I will be going over it with a marker or some black electrical tape.
Other than that, very minor gripe... It's a fantastic camera! DJI totally knocked it out of the park! I have just been walking around the neighbourhood in very low light, and while it's not going to win any awards, the footage is so much better than my phone, or any action camera I have seen. I have just set it up with OBS and it looks fantastic as a webcam, and you can still use tracking in webcam mode... Amazing! I look forward to doing some daylight tests tomorrow!
I have streamed to Facebook with my iPhone about 2 hours straight with powerbank attached when I was watching dog shows. No overheating or anything. It was about 24 celcius and partly sunny day. Most of the iPhones now can shoot 4k60 without issues, so 720p or 1080p streaming is nothing.
But that's not a bonded stream with multiple modems, load balancing and automatic failover !! You're comparing apples and oranges.
People that stream on iPhones also use the same setup, I'm using here, to get the higher reliability for their streams, by streaming RTMP to Belabox and then letting Belabox in the backpack take care of the modems.
Let me give you an example: if I didn't have at least 2 different modems, my stream would go offline in that roundabout, that you're seeing in the video. The connection is so bad at that spot.
Additionally comparing recording 4k60 with 1080p streaming is also not comparable. When you record your video, you are not using any data on your iPhone.
When you're streaming, you're constantly using the modem of your iPhone and constantly transmitting data. That is the biggest cause of your phone heating up.
And your example of streaming 2 hours to Facebook is a 720p30 stream (you have to be monetized on Facebook to be allowed to stream 1080p), so it'll take a bit longer for your phone to overheat there than if you were at 1080p30 or 1080p60.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual true :)
@@m11kan Additionally, my setup saves me 30-50% mobile data vs you streaming straight to Facebook and gives me the ablility to add overlays and alerts. You can check out why, if you watch my IRL for beginners tutorial.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual nowadays we have amazingly good 4G and 5G connections here in Finland as default almost everywhere.. Some people even switch their home fiber connections to 5G. Anyway with the contract you get free unlimited data here and the Nordic countries and the Baltics. Speed is constant between 100-1000 Mbit/s (depending of the contract). I know there are places (in the wild forest) where connections are not that good and some people who are using GPS-tracker for their dogs have one sim-card that can handle pretty seamesly multiple internet providers.. but usually where I have been streaming to Facebook or TH-cam there have been no problems so far and some places indoors have good wifi connection as well. I don't do professional streaming work so that is totally fine for me. :)
@m11kan The gps-trackers you're talking about, use very little data. They can survive on near to no signal.
And your experience is limited to a very small area of the world. Try up in northern Finland and you'll struggle. Lots of rural areas of Scandinavia don't have the coverage, that you have. If a single connection works for you, all the better for you, but don't asume, that it's the same for everyone, everywhere in the world. And places having wifi, you will fail using the internal wifi function for streaming of the pocket, if the wifi requires you to log in through a web portal. My setup however can do that.
nice thanks :-)
for me the footage of the Action 4 looks much smoother
RTMP? Quite an outdated protocol. What about SRT?
You will be hard pressed to find cameras, that have SRT integrated. You're in broadcast territory camcorders and ENG cameras at that point.
That is one more reason, why I use the webcam output of the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 and then encode to SRTLA/HEVC with my Belabox encoder in the backpack.
Why is it so stuttery?😢
It can feel stuttery, because I rendered the video out in 24 fps and YT really only is optimized for 30/60fps. That would be my fault.
It would be great if you do one with 60fps at daytime, and 30fps at nighttime.
Im an IRL streamer and seriously considering building your kit.
Also i read something about "Low-light" option in Pocket 3, it can be turned off and on anytime under livestream?
This whole kit needs if you want to use to stream? As i read it have a feature to stream to RTMP server.
I thinking of just simply buying it, creating an RTMP server at home, which sending to twitch and connecting a powerbank to the pocket 3. Is it will overheat like the pocket 2?
Thank you all the info!
@@EmeraldAudiovisual
it is not real hdmi streaming
and not support 60p
Wait... that's not a damn camera lens?!?!
Which are you talking about ? My coffee mug ? Nah .. it's not, but it is a 24-105mm F/4 coffee mug.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual Yea I know... It was a poorly executed attempt at humor!!!
this video doesn´t have to do anything with live streaming. waste of time
It might not have shown, what you expected. Try look up "IRL streaming" or check into the "Just chatting" section of Twitch, if you want to get a better understanding at which audience this video is aimed at.
Today I returned my pocket 3 back !
Overheating problems.
I tried to do a 4K 60fps HDR video and my camera stopped working around 15min.later !
UNEXEPTABLE Dji !
Totally UNEXEPTABLE 👎👎👎
4k60 HDR doesn't have much to do with live streaming though. Lots of cameras overheat in 4k60 or more. Even larger mirrorless ones.