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What do you mean? People forget what p2w really means. That you can buy items only with real money and that is not the case in Lost Ark or T&L. Besides some people need to play the game, because to buy gold in Lost Ark, someone must sell his gold. So if nobody plays the game, nobody can cash to pay to progress himself.
@@DematorLP stop coping so hard, it's beneath human. Pay2Win is everything that gives you even 1 second advantage over someone who doesn't pay anything. Exp boost, grind skip all of that is p2w even in a pve game.
@@owlmostdead9492 I dont coping but okay. I just tell you what p2w really is and that most things are just p2p. You need people that play the game in Lost Ark and Throne and Liberty, because someone has to put the gear in the AH. If someone pays 5000 $ just to be a little faster or do 0.002% more dmg, i let them, because they pay the server cost for me. Throne and Liberty is a PvP Group/Zerg Game. Gear dosent matter if you are 200 People more than your opponent.
@@owlmostdead9492 No its not. Its buying items that you cannot grind for/get in the game without buying. If you can get the premium currency by playing the game there is no p2w for example
In WoW you pay 15 bucks a month plus any expantion thats 50 bucks and on top of that you can buy tokens with 20 bucks to get tons of gold, and with that gold buy boosts. People are ok with WoW... why is people overreacting over this game being p2w? Because its korean? Thats kinda racist
People aren't ok with WoW, but blizzard is like amazon, a fucking capitlistic shit. People don't have choice, play or leave, but you have absolutely no power to change anything. And here it's a completly different level of P2W ...
Kanon trynna convince me to like a game that has p2w in it is crazy bro could just be honest it’s pay 2 win dog shit ain’t no beating around the bush with this one
I'm guessing y'all's brain cells stopped working shortly after he started explaining things because you quoting a small portion of the explanation and you didn't even fully quote what he said for the full context lol. Moral of the story is don't click on a video for a Korean MMO that are traditionally P2W and then act confused because all 2 brain cells left in your head are fighting for survival and blame Kanon because you can't follow his explanation 😂
no one is struggling for sollant? You get 100-140k per hour in the level TWENTY open dungeon. Level 45 dungeon gives you 80k per run... By the time you finish the story quest and some leveling guide quests your well above 1mil sollant while still in green gear and some blues from the quest.. to transfer a +9 blue armor piece to a purple piece of gear it cost 300k. to transfer a weapon its about 900k. Youll have that money before you even have the purple gear unless ofcourse you die alot cause regaining ur exp back for like 20-30k each lol. Deaths in dungeons dont count towards this. I'm currently full Blue gear at +8/+9 and 3 purple pieces @ +6 with full epic skills. But with that being said I did spend 20 usd for the leveling guide pass that rewards you with extra mats per level.
Its so funny seeing the hypocrisy when it comes to p2w. A lot of people justify it in the game they are playing while bashing other games for it, and are to dense to realize it.
Didn't watch the video yet but uhm.... like people were crying about P2W in Lost Ark, yet the only logical and only sane situation where p2w matters is PvP and it didn't matter in Lost Ark. So someone yelling p2w doesn't mean that p2w matters, at all.
So far I haven't got any growth stones by dissolving. You sure you can actually get growth stones from there? Tried it yesterday but none of the items I dissolved gave anything important.
Dissolving a piece of equipment only gives you a small amount of one of the upgrade stone materials, which is a very easy powder to obtain by making contracts and is obtained in large quantities, breaking items to obtain an item that is not difficult to obtain is a nonsense
I had some hope but after watching this video the P2W is going to impact this game so hard i didn't think it would be this bad rip; early people won't notice but as the game progresses it will snowball. Just the fact that pvp deaths effect you will be a death blow and since the game is so based on guilds many will drop this game quickly.
I can stand with p2w gear and shit but litterally making death penalties for ANY death that isnt pve give permanent debuff that can be taken away only by p2w currency is bullshit. You can talk about Lineage 2 which had something similar but you could use your adena to buy the scroll and remove the debuff, you litterally didnt have to swipe your credit card every 20 deaths to remove it. If thats how its going to be (atleast thats what i understood) this game is meant to die.
It's way worse P2W than Lost Ark and the game just released. Considering the history of the developer, in 1 year from now there will be even more P2W stuff.
Lol and than they will remove the drop for lucent as they did it in L2 with L2 coins and now the only way to get them is to swipe the credit card and items in auction house are going up to 600-700€ gg lol now swipe with the card if u wanna have the item
The p2w is not bad but the death penalty and sollant ... gating you from progress is horrible. Also if guild are important peoples gonna run towards the top 10 guild. And if youre not in a guild youre pretty much F, cause being in guild = your life is easier. You get a lazy guild youre F. 😆 Also screeening for members gonna be taken seriously. Sheesh. Game sounds fun , but the more i learn about the game the more it reminds me of other games and reason why I stopped playing it. 😆
You can upgrade your itens buy equipament from market, dissolve to get precious magic poweder them you buy precious Rubrix from market and craft Precious weapon growhstone, to get Sollant its simples too, go to market buy Precious marind and sell for 300k sollant to NPC...
I hope more games will have the pay-to-win system like BDO, which demoralizes players for doing it. You can swipe how many times you want and still have to wait for WEEKS to get a piece of BiS gear. Literally pay-to-lose 😂
@@GameOver-dm2nsthis is an utopia, where everthing is free and perfect hahahhahaa i dont care much if the game is p2w, im not a competitive player in mmos. I play with my friends if the game is fun, and when isnt anymore i drop it. My most played mmo was ragnarok. Good times. That is why i prefer pve content over pvp.
Huh? Have you seen P2P games? They are even worst than many f2p or b2p games. Look at WoW for example xD A shitshow of microtransactions + gold selling, but hey, is subscription based, that means quality, right? Gw2 is the only MMO that I've played so far with the most fair shop there is, no p2w and a true good MMO. Problem of that game is shitty marketing, they never invest in marketing for god knows why.
Question is how long will that bottleneck hold. Don't think any game had issues during start when everyone is a fresh max lvl. It's about how the game evolves later and if you can pay to catch up with day 1 players that is the potential issue.
It's funny how most Korean P2W haters are WoW players who act like WoW isn't another beautiful feast for the whales (Yes, even SoD) where you can get everything you want by gold buying/trading. From BiS raid loot drops, afk aoe xp farming, profession leveling and *everything* you would ever need, but they just have to talk about Korean mmos like they're worse than that lmao
its fair pay to win, but the moment they put sollant on the market then this game will have become another pay to win garb. i hope they keep it like this and not ruin it and make it an unbalanced mess, cuz this is very fair for a monetization plan both for free to play and pay to win
if they make the deaths not be pvp included, then ill give this game a go...but that really turns me away cause zergs are a thing and makes it overbearingly one sided.
Domt agree with the take on gear p2w gear progression not being a big deal as the hardest part is getting the drop. Solents are easy enough to farm and can do contracts for the other mats. Also another huge P2W is alot of your progression comes from skill upgrades. You can straight buy the harder mat to obtain of the two with real money. The game will fail massively if it releases in NA as it stands. He states its just like lost ark but in lost ark you atleast have equal arenas. Try doing events in TL with all the whales when more then half the events are forced pvp and also lose xp when you die. To regain said xp before the debuff you have to spend ridiculous in game currency.
Every event have also Peace time. P2w is nothing here right now. I was 50 in 8 days with main story payed nothing and got great gear. Contracts are here the thing + selling at the auction.
In pvp you will die more than 25 times for sure. And if each time you do less damage. Means just get into PVP at the end when the rest of players have the debuff
I like what I see. I think it suck that we can't avoid pay to win but at least what we have currently is somewhat acceptable. But we won't know the answer until the game is release.
Let's be honest. Does anyone care that it's pay to win? Once WoW became pay to win I stopped caring. So someone buys BOE raid epics on the AH after selling WoW tokens for gold. How does that effect your raid experience? Does it make you cry? That's so sad. =( Same applies to T&L. You don't like swiping? Then don't do it. Man that was hard.
I think that any time a game gives you the option to pay real life currency to progress your character meaningfully (i.e. gear, leveling boosts, upgrade materials, etc), that is a pay to win system by definition. The question then becomes, to what degree is something pay to win? The latter, I think, is the more important question to be having since the former is already answered.
This is why LA lost me, the pheons are a shit system. Don't force me to swipe in order to use the shop. If here I can buy stuff with ingame currency without being forced to buy any gems to get "pheons" then I am good.
Seems quite early to talk about it. The economy is still building, Dev's haven't decided how to go with it yet etc. Doesn't seem too bad so far though.
this current death plenty system ruins the entire pvp experience, no wonder the mass pvps look like dogshit, people standing at range and the entire fight dragging on for ages
So this is a casual game u log in once a year to check out of the new content ! the kind of game if u take it seriously u ll just waste ur experienc e/ time / fun pvp loooks ubber garbage pve loooks fine hope its at least as good as lost ark !! ok nice video thx mate !
The death penalty thing sounds interesting to me. I wonder if they will have something like "Life Insurance" , like ragnarok online. Where you If the character dies within the 30 minutes duration, no loss of EXP will be made. So far I'm really hype to play this game once it's released in the west, I don't really mind anything else so far that you've mentioned. I'm sure AGS may change somethings on our version.
the death penalty shouldn't even be a thing, there isn't even a death penalty in lost ark. This literally makes it so people only go ranged characters so they can just run away with more ease when more mobs aggro on them
I would rather pay 10USD a month for an mmo than to go through these ridiculous hoops for acquiring gear. Best of luck of those who enjoy these kind of games but after Lost ark I am not touching another Korean gacha fest ever again.
It will fail in a few months after release. I does not inovate in any way, same grind with shallow end game korean mmorpg people get hyped for every year. Really hope mmorpg's make a comeback but this definitely aint it.
just explain this is like Lineage 2 the original mother of all MMORPGs and how it is and will be, lol most of these stuff you explain to these wow player bonobos comes from lineage 2 design of things.
you re really bad informed about wow, you dont need buy gold via tokens lol only must pay subscription and ingame can farm all items with some party members 5 for example in mythic or guild raid or pvp cna do allone best items. but in asian games YOU MUST BUY FOR REAL MONEY or you are bad than 1/2 players without that
@@kulodrak3650 and you are being too dreamer, dont you think whales in WOW arent buying gold LOL you are so wrong brother you can also farm all items in lostark without paying $$ but you will take like 100 years to match a Esther whale
truth but every game which comes from asia for last 15-20 years is totaly p2w because asian people like thisconcept and EU players probably too becuase allways pay for this games and fells like OP --------- normally games now stopping exist--
Leave for NCSOFT to make PvP focused MMO that punishes death to the point thst you better of not pvp or pvp in zerg. The game also has no pkayer ecanomy. There's no away to trade outside of the market place.
For Korea maybe, but the west will be botted on af just like Lost Ark if they don't put the right prevention systems in place. Bots and rmt ruined Lost Ark more for me than homework did.
Glad to see that the P2W isn't overbearing, it's even softer than Lost Ark Also I am so stocked to see death penalties making a comeback in an MMORPG. Dying must matter, otherwise there are less stakes
Game barely came out my guy. And the NA market might be different. I played Aion Online (NC soft) for what, 8 years. P2W significantly changed for the worse over the years. PLENTY of time for the shop to change...plenty and it WILL change likely for the worse. It's a KRMMO, P2W is 100% expected. It's part of life. I'm still keen on trying this out regardless.
I completely agree, if you are gona keep players safer preventing open world pvp and even the karma system (or PK/Skull systems), a costly death at least will keep PVE more interesting. People who die in PVP should be completely aware they are risking money for the rewards.
Technically Lost Ark has zero p2w because it doesn't affect PvP at all. Throne and Liberty on the other hand is mainly PvP focused game and cashing affects that.
Is lucent obtainable via game play? If so it's more like gw2 if you wanna spend money spend it but I'm assuming all those things in the marketplace are obtainable via gameplay by yourself
Fact check. Many players enjoy this game without money. And many players make money from this game. And many players spend money. Just pick your position. This game looks different depend on your position. Everyone has different desire. And guild makes each position smooth. If you don’t like this ecosystem, play other games. That’s it. fyi. whales don't prefer this game. because money alone can't win. that explains many things. whales prefer auto mobile games.
Anything from Asia is gonna be pay to win, what is there to even discuss here. People jump through some mind loopholes, but the moment you can buy almost anything in the game it's insta p2w. Arguably skins are probably the only exception, everything else is p2w
They definitely have to get rid of the death penalty for the western version...this system is horrible for a pvp/pve game...players should get rewarded for doing pvp and not fear punishment....
there is no such utopy of totally free-to-play game without any kind of PTG. The model in this game is closer to black desert than anything else... you can buy but if you want pay to WIN, youll have to pay a lot ! this keeps things in a more reallistic set up for people to invest in the game without breaking the balance unless you are loaded and at the end this will be beneficial for free players because they will be paying to keep the game alive for them.
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Right now, this P2W system one of the best i ever seen, for last 10 years MMORPG gaming. I Hope they not add loot box and collection staff with bonus stats. Right now this is awesome, im full F2P player, have arround 4k lucent just from free drops. You can also craft gear and if you got lucky 20% chance to craft with great succes so you can sold item from auction. Every hour you spent in game, you got rewarded, so you can try compite with some P2W players.
Also about dying penalty system, you have 3 FREE penalty remove every day, also if you in guild, you have special currency, to remove penalty not from solanta, but from recovery tickets. Hope EURO SOON.
I'm quite sure I'm looking at some timestamp on the death menu, with timers like "9 days" and so on. I believe the penalty will be removed with time if the player doesn't have the currency to remove it right away (meaning, I believe it's not actually permanent).
Compared to Lost Ark with similar monetization, I'm glad to see that F2P isn't complete garbage and that upgrading is somewhat bottlenecked by your grinding.
The fact that even whales have to farm and work their ass up is a nice and healthy sign for a game I mean yeah you can buy the gear you want so what? it's not upgraded and they don't sell upgrade mats I don't even think being able to buy the gear piece you want is pay to win, at most is a pay to fast cuz you still need to farm that shit
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How similar to Lineage ][ ? I can't relate to Archage, LOA (not really I played it a bit and hit the first cap)
3:50 so it's hardcore pay2win, got it.
What do you mean? People forget what p2w really means. That you can buy items only with real money and that is not the case in Lost Ark or T&L. Besides some people need to play the game, because to buy gold in Lost Ark, someone must sell his gold. So if nobody plays the game, nobody can cash to pay to progress himself.
@@DematorLP stop coping so hard, it's beneath human. Pay2Win is everything that gives you even 1 second advantage over someone who doesn't pay anything. Exp boost, grind skip all of that is p2w even in a pve game.
@@owlmostdead9492 I dont coping but okay. I just tell you what p2w really is and that most things are just p2p. You need people that play the game in Lost Ark and Throne and Liberty, because someone has to put the gear in the AH. If someone pays 5000 $ just to be a little faster or do 0.002% more dmg, i let them, because they pay the server cost for me. Throne and Liberty is a PvP Group/Zerg Game. Gear dosent matter if you are 200 People more than your opponent.
@@owlmostdead9492 No its not. Its buying items that you cannot grind for/get in the game without buying. If you can get the premium currency by playing the game there is no p2w for example
@@owlmostdead9492 then theres not a single game that is not p2w
I feel sad that most of MMORPG have this approach, most of P2W games end up forgotten after the initial hype.
In WoW you pay 15 bucks a month plus any expantion thats 50 bucks and on top of that you can buy tokens with 20 bucks to get tons of gold, and with that gold buy boosts. People are ok with WoW... why is people overreacting over this game being p2w? Because its korean? Thats kinda racist
EXACTLY!
Agree
The "people" ok with wow are not the same against it here. you have the intellect of a 5 yo
People aren't ok with WoW, but blizzard is like amazon, a fucking capitlistic shit. People don't have choice, play or leave, but you have absolutely no power to change anything.
And here it's a completly different level of P2W ...
IT IS P2W. No amount of words gymnastics needed to make excuses. Stop with the nonsense yoga stretch.😂
"the pay to win is similar to Lost Ark".
Ok thanks for the info.
"It's not P2W, even though it's technically P2W. ".. bro, what?
he is doin' like "sales pitch"
in order to persuade someone to buy something in a game
Kanon trynna convince me to like a game that has p2w in it is crazy bro could just be honest it’s pay 2 win dog shit ain’t no beating around the bush with this one
@@gtkingly8127doesn’t really look like it at app
@@gtkingly8127Yes it's pay to win but so is wow and it's been on top besides that one shadow lands year since forever.
I'm guessing y'all's brain cells stopped working shortly after he started explaining things because you quoting a small portion of the explanation and you didn't even fully quote what he said for the full context lol. Moral of the story is don't click on a video for a Korean MMO that are traditionally P2W and then act confused because all 2 brain cells left in your head are fighting for survival and blame Kanon because you can't follow his explanation 😂
no one is struggling for sollant? You get 100-140k per hour in the level TWENTY open dungeon. Level 45 dungeon gives you 80k per run... By the time you finish the story quest and some leveling guide quests your well above 1mil sollant while still in green gear and some blues from the quest.. to transfer a +9 blue armor piece to a purple piece of gear it cost 300k. to transfer a weapon its about 900k. Youll have that money before you even have the purple gear unless ofcourse you die alot cause regaining ur exp back for like 20-30k each lol. Deaths in dungeons dont count towards this.
I'm currently full Blue gear at +8/+9 and 3 purple pieces @ +6 with full epic skills.
But with that being said I did spend 20 usd for the leveling guide pass that rewards you with extra mats per level.
Its so funny seeing the hypocrisy when it comes to p2w. A lot of people justify it in the game they are playing while bashing other games for it, and are to dense to realize it.
Didn't watch the video yet but uhm.... like people were crying about P2W in Lost Ark, yet the only logical and only sane situation where p2w matters is PvP and it didn't matter in Lost Ark.
So someone yelling p2w doesn't mean that p2w matters, at all.
Yeah and yet people yap about it even if it doesnt matter @@shadowbanned3044
There is one more thing, you can craft growth stone by buying gear from the market place dissolving the materials to get the materials needed
He trying to get sponsored lol
So far I haven't got any growth stones by dissolving. You sure you can actually get growth stones from there? Tried it yesterday but none of the items I dissolved gave anything important.
Dissolving a piece of equipment only gives you a small amount of one of the upgrade stone materials, which is a very easy powder to obtain by making contracts and is obtained in large quantities, breaking items to obtain an item that is not difficult to obtain is a nonsense
and just a waste of gold @@PeladoPalta
this is guild oriented game. a whale alone can not raise the guild level. participation is more important.
This game won't survive 6 months in the west with the death penalty.
I had some hope but after watching this video the P2W is going to impact this game so hard i didn't think it would be this bad rip; early people won't notice but as the game progresses it will snowball. Just the fact that pvp deaths effect you will be a death blow and since the game is so based on guilds many will drop this game quickly.
I can stand with p2w gear and shit but litterally making death penalties for ANY death that isnt pve give permanent debuff that can be taken away only by p2w currency is bullshit. You can talk about Lineage 2 which had something similar but you could use your adena to buy the scroll and remove the debuff, you litterally didnt have to swipe your credit card every 20 deaths to remove it. If thats how its going to be (atleast thats what i understood) this game is meant to die.
It's way worse P2W than Lost Ark and the game just released. Considering the history of the developer, in 1 year from now there will be even more P2W stuff.
Are there items that reduce Sollent costs when upgrading, which cost Lucent? If that is the case.. it's extremely P2W
Lol and than they will remove the drop for lucent as they did it in L2 with L2 coins and now the only way to get them is to swipe the credit card and items in auction house are going up to 600-700€ gg lol now swipe with the card if u wanna have the item
The p2w is not bad but the death penalty and sollant ... gating you from progress is horrible. Also if guild are important peoples gonna run towards the top 10 guild. And if youre not in a guild youre pretty much F, cause being in guild = your life is easier. You get a lazy guild youre F. 😆 Also screeening for members gonna be taken seriously. Sheesh. Game sounds fun , but the more i learn about the game the more it reminds me of other games and reason why I stopped playing it. 😆
It's super pay to win in my experience lol People were lvl 50 on day 1
BDO is screwed when this launches in the west, most of their revenue comes from NA. If TL is less p2w, it's over.
so its a completely p2w trash
Is this stupid as lost ark ? paying to buy/sell items in the auction house ? just bring back lineage 2 tbh
Months go by and Kanon is still coughing like he dying
You can upgrade your itens buy equipament from market, dissolve to get precious magic poweder them you buy precious Rubrix from market and craft Precious weapon growhstone, to get Sollant its simples too, go to market buy Precious marind and sell for 300k sollant to NPC...
Now we have to pay money to pay after dieing??? Just do a monthly fee! Or like gw2 but the game and expansion
You are confused the money used to remove death is the money that's dropped from everything
Archeage, Lost Ark, BDO, Now TAL Have you guys not paid attention yet?
bdo is the less p2w then the rest.
Nah the death Penalty is Wild.
What a cope. We all know what this is and where it's going.
I hope more games will have the pay-to-win system like BDO, which demoralizes players for doing it.
You can swipe how many times you want and still have to wait for WEEKS to get a piece of BiS gear. Literally pay-to-lose 😂
So they make a PVP focused game but also punish people for dying while doing it? how bloody moronic of them!
Any game that is free, or one time purchase and an MMO will have some PAY TO WIN mechanics.
People wants free mmo that isnt p2w, is this a dream or what 😂
@@GameOver-dm2nsthis is an utopia, where everthing is free and perfect hahahhahaa
i dont care much if the game is p2w, im not a competitive player in mmos. I play with my friends if the game is fun, and when isnt anymore i drop it.
My most played mmo was ragnarok. Good times. That is why i prefer pve content over pvp.
Never played Guild wars or Guild wars 2, huh?
@@IncubiAkster i mean , gw2 is not that relevant..the playerbase worldwide is pretty small tbh..
Huh? Have you seen P2P games? They are even worst than many f2p or b2p games. Look at WoW for example xD A shitshow of microtransactions + gold selling, but hey, is subscription based, that means quality, right?
Gw2 is the only MMO that I've played so far with the most fair shop there is, no p2w and a true good MMO. Problem of that game is shitty marketing, they never invest in marketing for god knows why.
The death mechanic sounds awful 😖
Makes the game truly feel hardcore like a souls game.
@@heroblake6572 to bad its not
Question is how long will that bottleneck hold.
Don't think any game had issues during start when everyone is a fresh max lvl.
It's about how the game evolves later and if you can pay to catch up with day 1 players that is the potential issue.
It's funny how most Korean P2W haters are WoW players who act like WoW isn't another beautiful feast for the whales (Yes, even SoD) where you can get everything you want by gold buying/trading. From BiS raid loot drops, afk aoe xp farming, profession leveling and *everything* you would ever need, but they just have to talk about Korean mmos like they're worse than that lmao
I mean .. they are kinda worse, I don’t think you can buy an Esther weapon for 50k in wow can you ?
@@NoXiiZz well, now you can buy raid boosts too :D
Both are equally shit because of P2W
yes u can buy what u want in sod too but it not legal, u can get banned for it
its fair pay to win, but the moment they put sollant on the market then this game will have become another pay to win garb. i hope they keep it like this and not ruin it and make it an unbalanced mess, cuz this is very fair for a monetization plan both for free to play and pay to win
Agreed. Amazon has time to make the game better but no hope really
Can you earn lousent by crafting? And how much bots and gold sellers are active now?
if they make the deaths not be pvp included, then ill give this game a go...but that really turns me away cause zergs are a thing and makes it overbearingly one sided.
Domt agree with the take on gear p2w gear progression not being a big deal as the hardest part is getting the drop. Solents are easy enough to farm and can do contracts for the other mats. Also another huge P2W is alot of your progression comes from skill upgrades. You can straight buy the harder mat to obtain of the two with real money. The game will fail massively if it releases in NA as it stands. He states its just like lost ark but in lost ark you atleast have equal arenas. Try doing events in TL with all the whales when more then half the events are forced pvp and also lose xp when you die. To regain said xp before the debuff you have to spend ridiculous in game currency.
Every event have also Peace time. P2w is nothing here right now. I was 50 in 8 days with main story payed nothing and got great gear. Contracts are here the thing + selling at the auction.
Remember when mmos used to be based on a ingame player driven economy... not a cash shop
In pvp you will die more than 25 times for sure. And if each time you do less damage. Means just get into PVP at the end when the rest of players have the debuff
Lol, its not p2w however its technically is p2w.... well u should apply for NCsoft sale team.
I like what I see. I think it suck that we can't avoid pay to win but at least what we have currently is somewhat acceptable. But we won't know the answer until the game is release.
Haha if this is what you find acceptable then I dunno wtf you think is heavy p2w.
Let's be honest. Does anyone care that it's pay to win? Once WoW became pay to win I stopped caring. So someone buys BOE raid epics on the AH after selling WoW tokens for gold. How does that effect your raid experience? Does it make you cry? That's so sad. =(
Same applies to T&L. You don't like swiping? Then don't do it. Man that was hard.
Nothing is imposible to whale... what are you talking about? There is no word BIG INVESTMENT or HARD that describe a whale
It's defiantly pay to win. U cna buy lucent and go buy lucent cheap cuz its cheap Korean money and 300000 isn't hard to get...I had 300000 st lvl 15
pvp + p2w = 💩💩💩
imagine crying about loosing something when dying..those kids... so weak built 😅
I think that any time a game gives you the option to pay real life currency to progress your character meaningfully (i.e. gear, leveling boosts, upgrade materials, etc), that is a pay to win system by definition. The question then becomes, to what degree is something pay to win? The latter, I think, is the more important question to be having since the former is already answered.
Players who have huge egos in PvP and just don’t know when to take the L and move on are going to be in pain
This is why LA lost me, the pheons are a shit system. Don't force me to swipe in order to use the shop. If here I can buy stuff with ingame currency without being forced to buy any gems to get "pheons" then I am good.
Nice video Kanon, see you at Twitch!
Seems quite early to talk about it. The economy is still building, Dev's haven't decided how to go with it yet etc.
Doesn't seem too bad so far though.
People that still bitch about P2W aspects of a game are the same ones that still play the game regardless....
They need to do like gw2 you can exchange dollars and currency back and ford
bro its literally lineage2m but softer, a bit. They will change nothing related to money making
People are willing for "pay to win" they should just make it a subscription base. Pretty sure there are a lot of people going to play this.
this current death plenty system ruins the entire pvp experience, no wonder the mass pvps look like dogshit, people standing at range and the entire fight dragging on for ages
So this is a casual game u log in once a year to check out of the new content ! the kind of game if u take it seriously u ll just waste ur experienc e/ time / fun pvp loooks ubber garbage pve loooks fine hope its at least as good as lost ark !! ok nice video thx mate !
Short: They implemented every system to change from somewhat p2w to p2w later on.
it honestly doesnt seem too bad. im excited to see what it's really like with western release. looks like a genuinely decent mmo to look forward to
Easy for them to make it a full p2w game later on if the curreny is already used for the MP. total garbage.
The death penalty thing sounds interesting to me. I wonder if they will have something like "Life Insurance" , like ragnarok online. Where you If the character dies within the 30 minutes duration, no loss of EXP will be made. So far I'm really hype to play this game once it's released in the west, I don't really mind anything else so far that you've mentioned. I'm sure AGS may change somethings on our version.
the death penalty shouldn't even be a thing, there isn't even a death penalty in lost ark. This literally makes it so people only go ranged characters so they can just run away with more ease when more mobs aggro on them
@eld6830 AGS took out some horrible mechanics from the KR LA game, so hopefully they'll remove it
So I can't buy good stuff in the action house? With fame money??? Very bad design
I would rather pay 10USD a month for an mmo than to go through these ridiculous hoops for acquiring gear. Best of luck of those who enjoy these kind of games but after Lost ark I am not touching another Korean gacha fest ever again.
Its P2W, if u play MMORPG, youll understand. And the death penalty is stupid. That makes the P2W system in this game even more terrifying.
It will fail in a few months after release. I does not inovate in any way, same grind with shallow end game korean mmorpg people get hyped for every year. Really hope mmorpg's make a comeback but this definitely aint it.
who cares if you can buy gear you can grind it anw. how do you want the devs to get money? its f2p
P2w trash will be irrelevant once the hype subsides
just explain this is like Lineage 2 the original mother of all MMORPGs and how it is and will be, lol most of these stuff you explain to these wow player bonobos comes from lineage 2 design of things.
WOW is the most P2W of all, because you can buy gold with cash + the monthly subscription + expansions with $.
No more to say.
you re really bad informed about wow, you dont need buy gold via tokens lol only must pay subscription and ingame can farm all items with some party members 5 for example in mythic or guild raid or pvp cna do allone best items. but in asian games YOU MUST BUY FOR REAL MONEY or you are bad than 1/2 players without that
@@kulodrak3650 and you are being too dreamer, dont you think whales in WOW arent buying gold LOL you are so wrong brother you can also farm all items in lostark without paying $$ but you will take like 100 years to match a Esther whale
Nah. This game is absurd.
Not touching if it comes like that to the west.
truth but every game which comes from asia for last 15-20 years is totaly p2w because asian people like thisconcept and EU players probably too becuase allways pay for this games and fells like OP --------- normally games now stopping exist--
@@kulodrak3650 more like 10 years or less. There's a huge list of MMOs from 15 to 20 years ago that aren't p2w.
Hey buddy can you make a Video from your build and stats ❤
PVP game where deaths cost you gold? Pass.
Leave for NCSOFT to make PvP focused MMO that punishes death to the point thst you better of not pvp or pvp in zerg. The game also has no pkayer ecanomy. There's no away to trade outside of the market place.
why cant we just get free market with one currency >:c
Can’t judge anything after just one week.
Thanks, Kanon! This makes sense! It's a good thing they removed the AUTO play because bots would really kill the game, ahaha!
The game already has bots.
For Korea maybe, but the west will be botted on af just like Lost Ark if they don't put the right prevention systems in place. Bots and rmt ruined Lost Ark more for me than homework did.
Pay2win? They can shove their game :)
Flop game
how can we play this game? not korean.
Glad to see that the P2W isn't overbearing, it's even softer than Lost Ark
Also I am so stocked to see death penalties making a comeback in an MMORPG.
Dying must matter, otherwise there are less stakes
Dying has become a meme in so many MMO I really enjoy the threat of death
Game barely came out my guy. And the NA market might be different. I played Aion Online (NC soft) for what, 8 years. P2W significantly changed for the worse over the years. PLENTY of time for the shop to change...plenty and it WILL change likely for the worse. It's a KRMMO, P2W is 100% expected. It's part of life. I'm still keen on trying this out regardless.
I completely agree, if you are gona keep players safer preventing open world pvp and even the karma system (or PK/Skull systems), a costly death at least will keep PVE more interesting. People who die in PVP should be completely aware they are risking money for the rewards.
@Kharallo no risk when you can just swipe to remove the defbuff
Technically Lost Ark has zero p2w because it doesn't affect PvP at all.
Throne and Liberty on the other hand is mainly PvP focused game and cashing affects that.
i hope youre feeling less sick kanon :(
Thanks for sharing those information with us. I wanna see tho how it will be presented in the west.
Is lucent obtainable via game play? If so it's more like gw2 if you wanna spend money spend it but I'm assuming all those things in the marketplace are obtainable via gameplay by yourself
Yes. You can sell the item you get.
Everything including lucent is obtainable, just watch the entire video he does a good job explaining actually
Fact check.
Many players enjoy this game without money. And many players make money from this game. And many players spend money.
Just pick your position. This game looks different depend on your position. Everyone has different desire. And guild makes each position smooth.
If you don’t like this ecosystem, play other games. That’s it.
fyi. whales don't prefer this game. because money alone can't win. that explains many things. whales prefer auto mobile games.
games going to be ruined, gg p2w
I can say that TL can be called p2w. But TL is not designed for whales. If you have experience of korean mobile mmorpg, you can understand easily.
Anything from Asia is gonna be pay to win, what is there to even discuss here. People jump through some mind loopholes, but the moment you can buy almost anything in the game it's insta p2w. Arguably skins are probably the only exception, everything else is p2w
after watching the video, hard pass on this, it's just going to be a major grind fest, rather play games like demeo
that's like every KRMMO ever. Just sucks that they also make the most visually appealing games..
the DEATH system need to go
They definitely have to get rid of the death penalty for the western version...this system is horrible for a pvp/pve game...players should get rewarded for doing pvp and not fear punishment....
Younger generation dont know how a real P2W MMO RPG looks. Try out Dekaron and then start complain TL is p2w XD
So glad i didn't even try it
there is no such utopy of totally free-to-play game without any kind of PTG.
The model in this game is closer to black desert than anything else... you can buy but if you want pay to WIN, youll have to pay a lot !
this keeps things in a more reallistic set up for people to invest in the game without breaking the balance unless you are loaded and at the end this will be beneficial for free players because they will be paying to keep the game alive for them.
13:32 I was wondering if he'd bring this up lmao.
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Right now, this P2W system one of the best i ever seen, for last 10 years MMORPG gaming. I Hope they not add loot box and collection staff with bonus stats. Right now this is awesome, im full F2P player, have arround 4k lucent just from free drops. You can also craft gear and if you got lucky 20% chance to craft with great succes so you can sold item from auction. Every hour you spent in game, you got rewarded, so you can try compite with some P2W players.
Also about dying penalty system, you have 3 FREE penalty remove every day, also if you in guild, you have special currency, to remove penalty not from solanta, but from recovery tickets. Hope EURO SOON.
6:40 let me explain that to you, the more "efficient" ways you find to farm sollant the bigger the gap will become between f2p and p2w.
7:24 you mention this death debuff, but not how long it lasts or a mechanic to remove it
u had a limit of 20 deaths and then u get the penalty that stays until u go to the npc and removes some deaths
I'm quite sure I'm looking at some timestamp on the death menu, with timers like "9 days" and so on. I believe the penalty will be removed with time if the player doesn't have the currency to remove it right away (meaning, I believe it's not actually permanent).
Compared to Lost Ark with similar monetization, I'm glad to see that F2P isn't complete garbage and that upgrading is somewhat bottlenecked by your grinding.
The auction house pretty much works like Warframe with platinum. Good to know as I don't mind that.
The fact that even whales have to farm and work their ass up is a nice and healthy sign for a game
I mean yeah you can buy the gear you want so what? it's not upgraded and they don't sell upgrade mats I don't even think being able to buy the gear piece you want is pay to win, at most is a pay to fast cuz you still need to farm that shit