Fun fact at 2:30 Astarion talks about having "a little death" that expression is a translation of the french phrase "la petite mort" which describes the sensation post orgasm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort .
I'm reading through the comment section seeing that other people take their romances seriously and I'm like "YES!! IM NOT THE ONLY HOPELESS ROMANTIC!!!" Lol I could never do such a thing to Astarion!! He's the ONLY vampire I ever fell in love with on first sight! In the entire universe lol
I am also glad to see that many people would not cheat, even in video games 🥳 Astarion was such a surprise for me, I started this game with intentions to romance Shadowheart, but I end up hating her😅 didn't expect anything from Astarion, but he turned out to be the best companion for me. I also have a thing for characters who has been emotionaly broken and now work hard to get their lives back. I feel like I am taking part and helping in a healing journey, and it's wonderful. Amazing voice acting is a cherry on top of course.
@@irinapar8389 It was sooo weird for me too because when I first watch a gameplay of it I was like ooooh okay I'm going for Gale but then I saw the pale skin and ruby eyes and I lost it! Like if I was meant to convert to Astarion. So agree with yah he is the best one! I for sure try to play the healing part in Astarion's quest and so hope we have a bigger range and chance to do so in the full release. Release him of Cazador!!!
I'm doing a CoS (Curse of Strahd) campaign and when I heard this line from Astarion, I was just like, "I need Strahd to be a sleeze ball and say this to Ireena in front of the party."
You can do this with Shadowheart and even suggest you go at it the three of you (her, you and Astarion) and she declines with "maybe some other time" or something like it. So she seems open to the idea, lol
I completely agree, behind all his indifference and selfishness there is a sensitive broken soul. That's why I love him so much, there are layers to his character. I would never hurt him like this 😤 He remind me so much of Zevran from Dragon Age, he too seamed like a selfish, frivolous man when you first meet him, but it's just a facade to hide how broken he really is. All my favorite LI are deeply traumatized characters 😅
he never does what one thinks he will do. But yeah, I'm more in the camp of he will absolutely will not like the idea of a threesome with gale/lae'zel or an open relationship with either/or. He is already very prickly about you sleeping w Lae'zel or Minthara, and keeps getting upset at that. Gale's thing seems like more of an adult relationship and less just fun. Astarion is very much about power in the relationship, so a more serious relationship than his (i.e Gale's) or one where they have more power over Tav (Lae'z/Minthara) is something he absolutely will not want. Plus, Gale will absolutely make you choose, bc his experience with Mystra he wont like you double dipping. Gale is already doing that power thing by actually inviting you to sleep w him after you have made your choice. One of the very few times he disproves of something that is not evil (actually probably the only thing) is saying that you won't betray Astarion. He actually seems very upset despite trying to keep his cool. Astarion won't like he is stealing one of his main support (or toy) tbh. We don't know enough abt Wyll to know where Astarion would stand on that, and I think the only route where there might have an ot3 would be w Shadowheart not only bc they keep flirting at each other and w Tav, the power dynamics are not as contrived as w the others.
The first time I saw the scene where Gale talks about his feelings for Mystra, I felt gutted for my character's sake. How is any mortal supposed to compete with his blatantly romantic affections for a *goddess*? That's like trying to follow the amazing tap dancing act at the school talent show by playing a kazoo. I just kinda wrote him off in my head because of it, I assume the minute she shows him any real attention at all my character will find herself dropped like a hot potato.
It's even worse once you replay and realize that Gale's initial illithid dream was about Mystra, and then the way he talks about her - how real and perfect it was. >_
I honestly couldn't see Astarion fighting for someone who betrayed him. He'd probably be snarky, but deeply hurt. He already has trust issues, that would probably be something he wouldn't tolerate unless you said up front you weren't serious about him.
Agreed. He may seem like he'd be freaky, but he slowly reveals he really just wants to be with a person he can trust and love. He also would be too prideful to share his "hunt" or "prey". Does then soon to be best Vampire alive loan his companion to some human mage? Probably not.
At this point I don't think it would be "betraying" him though. He'll sleep with you even without high approval and he makes it very clear the party night hookup is about sex, and not about some deep connection.
Thank you for the video, I take my romances really seriously, I would never have done this in any of my playthroughs. I could play the most evil character, but I still would never cheat. In fact there are only two things that I never do in games. Cheat on my LI and hurt animals. No amount of being in character can make me cross this line. P.S. I love Astarion with all my heart. It's strange but in every game with multiple LI options, I always fall in love with one and completely ignore the rest. I played DA:O four times, romanced Zevran in all of them. Played DA2 seven times and chose Fenris every single time 😆. Cullen is doomed to always be with my Inquisitor of course 🤭I am staying faithful even on different playthroughs 😅
I am the same way! For me, DAO, it's Alistair. Fenris was def my choice in DA2, and in DAI, Solas (I know I'm a sadist - but I love it). I wouldn't have ever known about this without someone telling me because I play it so straight and narrow with my LI! But you're welcome! I went through the pain so you didn't have to!
Why is this me, seriously. The only time I'm ever conflicted is during my DA:O playthroughs because I love Zevran and Alistair so much I can never properly choose, which is why I downloaded a poly mod. I always do end up picking Zevran though, because I'm a Dalish and I want Alistair's arse on the throne because screw Anora. In DA2 I always always romance Fenris, and if my pride is wounded I use Anders for a quick rebound makeout sesh but throw him out as soon as he badmouths Fenris. 🤐
Omg same! Zevran, Fenris, Astarion! I could never cheat on them with my character lol. Even in Origins I always have to go for Zev, no matter my origin haha
Hmmm, maybe I'll romance Gale on my second playthrough. I'm pretty bookish myself, and I love a hot nerd. But even then I'd still be a loyal friend to Astarion. There's no way I'm letting Cazador hurt him, or anyone else, again.
Mystra has had a number of lovers in her existence. She's had three incarnations - Mystryl (CN), the "daughter" of Selune and Shar. When Mystryl was destroyed by Karsus, she was reborn as Mystra in the body of a Netherese child. During the time of Troubles, Mystra was slain by Helm when she attempted to return to her home in Dweomerheart. Midnight was eventually given the portfolio and power of Mystra (and took up her name too) by the overgod Ao for her actions during the Time of Troubles. Ellminster, the Sage of Shadowdale is probably the most prominent of her lovers who are still alive. Mystra had seven daughters (known as the Seven Sisters) by posessing a mortal woman's body. Given the timeline of the game, a number of the Seven Sisters are now dead (or weave-spirits), but some are still alive. Sometimes, Mystra will imbue certain people with a portion of her power, those are called the Chosen of Mystra. (That is a directive from the Overgod Ao to make sure Mystra's power is kept in check and contained, otherwise she could easily overpower all the other gods.) The idea that a mortal would expect a god to be "faithful" is a little strange.
I'm loving your on demand lore knowledge here! Thank you for the information! :D I actually bought the avatar series to help with some knowledge of the events regarding her/potentially Gale, but the text was so dang small, I had trouble reading it. Going to have to try and find the ebook.
Oh no I can't do that to Astarion 😥 I can't believe Gale proposed you cheat on Astarion... right the night after you sleep with him. I can see why he may do that, but unholy hells, Gale has no shame whatsoever lol I'm really hoping Astarion romance will go beyond being "lovers" and we get these interactions with other party members more fleshed out
idk if you can call it cheating when you've literally only slept with him lol. they never say they're exclusive or something. everyone in the party barely knows each other.
Ey Thanks for the shout out, and great vid! I'm also really looking forward to what happens when full release comes out. If they went as far as making Gale mention that he knows you slept with someone else and still propositions you, you know there will probably be some drama. If you betray Astarion, will he remember it later when you see his quest through with Cazador? Will Cazador try and use Astarion's love interest against him in some way - He certainly seems like the type. Will Astarion care? Will he remember? When you let him drink your blood he says it's a gift, and he won't forget it - I'm willing to bet that if you stay loyal to him, he will remember that too. So many questions and so much to look forward to. Ah, what a great game :)
No problem! Likely wouldn't have found out about it for awhile without your tip! I wonder if it will be kind of like that exchange was in DAO when you romance two people and they make you choose one of them. Or if it will be "more complicated." I'm in favor of more complicated! It's funny, because in the end, I think it made me trust Gale's intentions a bit more. If he's that determined to get you, maybe he won't just leave you the second Mystra comes back! I still need to see that knife fight though >_
Thank you for making this! I love your commentary as well. I appreciate how the companions in this game are so nuanced in their relationships and are so mature about them. Don't get me wrong, jealousy moments are kinda cute in fiction but to have characters be cool with previous hook ups is refreshing in its own way
Thanks! I really enjoy talking about it so I'm glad people like to listen. It is really crazy how much work they put into this! I am blown away with how much nuance there is, and how many options and paths there are to take.
@@Mmogurl I know right!? And this is just act 1! There is going to be so much time to flesh out their character arcs and complicated feelings about previous relationships in the main game. I've liked Larian's previous games but they've surpassed my expectations with Baldur's Gate 3 so far
As much as I'd like a proper representation for polyamory in video games, I doubt there'd be a proper one in Baldur's Gate 3 (considering every possible playable character has their own drawbacks, and stories are bound to conflict). That being said, if Astarion is ultimately not comfortable sharing his partner, no matter what, I'll **STILL** be picking him as my romance option! Gale might come close as intriguing to me...but the chaotic stupid murderhobo vampirespawn (that I can't stop calling Floof because of his hair)? Could never bring myself to hurt him. Astarion stole my heart with the earliest footage of him I ever saw; I'm determined to protect that silly Floof, no matter what! (At least with my main playthroughs...not sure if I'll be able to endure hurting him in others... 😟)
Haha you captured my feelings for Gale and Astarion so well. For my first playthrough I couldn't get Gale's weave scene (I didn't know about it at that time) so I ended up promising myself to Astarion, but ended up to bed alone because I felt bad for Gale. No booty for my Tav (yes her name was really Tav because I thought it as ok name lol). Also, what I found interesting, I am not 100% sure about this, but Gale's "proposition" linesfor both scenes (during the party & night after during the ebdtime story) are exactly the same, but the voice acting is different. Maybe it's just me, but during the party he sounds more confident and "charming", while after the party night he kind of sounds bit defeated, unsure and maybe he actually feels bad even asking about it. I like that kind of touch, maybe I would've liked more completely different lines for the night after, but atleast it is not a full copy paste voicelines.
I think I have one char who is not named Tav.. LOL I will have to give them a listen again, I definitely got that vibe too even if just from his expressions and how he carried himself. Like he felt a little.. maybe this isn't cool.. but I gotta do it.
Imagine how weird it would be if they actually used his original scene? Gale talks you into cheating on Astarion with him, and then proceed to tell you about being in love with Mystra and those veils she opened for him... Quite possibly Gale didn't have any significant relationships after or even before Mystra, so, if he felt real connection with your character, then it makes sense that he would insist on giving it a try - this makes his story much sadder tho(
I agree! I felt originally like Gale was being kind of sleezy like I mentioned, and I was shocked to see him being so serious and upset when I said no. Like.. Oh man.. I read that wrong.. It was even harder because this was the char I romanced him on! Like my actual Gale game..hehe.
@@Mmogurl I don’t see him as less sleazy because he’s more desperate, but it explains why he would lie by omission about his relationship with Mystra and try to steal you from another party member. Really hope he comes to genuinely love mc and not using them as a rebound. I would love to see some selfless actions on his part to get over that manipulative thing.
@Ability Drain im a slut for Astarion, so, I adore all his cutscenes and reactions... but in a sense the way those companions interact with each other is even more interesting than the way they interact with the mc. Something about the world exploration dialogue and then talking to each other during cut scenes makes them look more real than the mc, and adding a love triangle to the mix helps to make them seem even more real. Oh, and I wonder would Gale try to steal you from any companion or just Astarion? Cause they def don’t like each other much...
oh man i really hope they fix that. can't wait to make another save file where i'm a scandalous little harlot lol. i'd love to see them react over you being promiscuous. even tho i prefer the disaster child astarion, i'm very curious about this scenario but tbh, idk if it's just me, gale kinda gives me some sleazy fk boy vibes LOL.
I wonder if the "a little death" at 2:33 is a reference to la petite mort...as in "the sensation of post orgasm as likened to death." Or maybe I'm looking wayyyy too far into that. It just jumped out at me.
oof----- I feel like I don’t have much to add here that hasn’t already been touched on by other commenters but I will say this. For anyone who thinks that Astarion wouldn’t care or would just take the more the merrier ;) approach, I got news for you. My last playthrough I focused on Astarion romantically but had high or very high approval with everyone in the party which meant my Tav had her pick of company the night of the party. Sooo I save scummed accepting and rejecting party members just to see what alternative reaction dialogues were like depending on who I said yes to and rejected and I did find something INTERESTING about Astarion. He had SOMETHING to say about Tav’s choice in chosen bunkmate for every party member but the interesting part comes at choosing how you answer his remark. I may be wrong but if my memory serves right there was 3 options to choose from that boiled down to 1. Looking forward to it/it’s gonna be fun/it’s gonna be a good time. 2. This is just about sex, nothing serious/no feelings here oh nooo 3. You jealous? Circling back to what I said regarding the people who think he wouldn’t care…. Choosing the first option, aka the option for your Tav to verbalize they’re looking forward to their time with who they chose (are excited/and are not denying having feelings for them) for anyone but Le’zael (aka the only one in the party who makes it clear there are absolutely no feelings involved for her when it comes to sex with Tav or anyone else) Astsrion DISAPPROVES of Tav’s verbal excitement/affection for their choice… ._. If Tav shows any indication to Astarion they’re remotely serious about their affections for anyone but La’zael (who up till the party hasn’t had any scenes with Tav or dialogue indicating interest in them romantically or even platonically) or if you choose the third option and question if he’s jealous, you will get a screen notification of DISAPPROVAL. For someone who likes to snark a lot & act like his heart is untouchable or was lost over the years he was a slave to Cazador, it’s sure seems Fragile when it comes to Tav showing any favoritism or more fondness for someone besides himself who returns those sentiments to Tav or seems a romantic threat. So yeah. Not sure if it’s different if your approval status with him is lower that night since I’ve heard you’ve only gotta be as medium for anyone in the party to unlock the romance with them, and if it’s lower he may not care so much? But in this case I’m pretty certain regardless if he were to address it or not if he were to know of Tav spending the night in another’s arms regardless if it was Gale or not I’m pretty certain the last thing he’d feel about it is UNCARING. ❤️
All that aside though I gotta say I truly have a hard time seeing Gale as sleazy for shooting his shot with Tav even knowing that they spent the night with Astarion, and for a few reasons. I will not say I found his actions here admirable because they ain’t no matter how you spin them, and it doesn’t help that Gale has already revealed he’s not exactly the best when it comes to clear rejection or taking a hint when he wants someone :| (here’s hoping he’s learned to not do anything-- drastic to deal with with rejection the way he did with Mystra AMIRITE 😬) But let us look at facts for a moment 1. For this scene to occur Tav will have needed to show clear romantic interest in Gale during the weave scene. Even if it was only one moment of flirtation it was anything but vague and it happened while he was sharing something extremely intimate (to him) with them as well in them having shared the weave. 2. I doubt it but this moment could be companion centric and specific to choosing Astarion or perhaps even Le’zael. I doubt it but wouldn’t it be interesting if Gale is only willing to try one more time if Tav is to choose one or the other if they party members who A C T like whatever they’re doing with Tav is meant to be for fun or convenient in La’zaels case and NOT SERIOUS. Gale isn’t exactly subtle about how he feels about Tav’s choice in Astarion at the party but even before then no one is quiet about their doubts when it comes to his sincerity so why wouldn’t Gale question the man’s feelings for Tav or the nature of his affections for their companion? 3. Gale had no way of knowing how serious Tav & Astarion are about eachother or how they look when ‘courting’ someone in ernest. They’ve only been traveling together for a short time after all. And were his own feelings serious in nature, & if he took what Tav shared with him in the weave as genuine as well….. I can’t bring myself yo blame him for-- trying :c. It doesn’t help that he does seem genuinely saddened & disappointed if you reject him when he does. In short Gale may not be an entirely honest man… But I think his feelings always are. And that is something. 😔
Wow - interesting.. I don't know if I've ever seen that before.. I don't buy the idea of him not caring about Tav though. I think he's a big ole softie!
@@Mmogurl yeah, I save scummed the beginning of the party before speaking to anyone and then went down the list of part members accepting one and rejecting the rest before checking in with Astarion for his dialogue. And when I noticed the differences on the appearance of that DISAPPROVAL notice I was all 👀 WELL OK NOW I GOTTA CHECK THIS FOR EVERYONE AND SEE IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN HOW ASTARION FEELS IN TAV CHOOSING THAT OPTION DEPENDING ON THEIR VHOICE IN PARTNER FOR THE NIGHT. And when I saw there was & even more telling he only seems ok with Tav being excited to spend time with Le’zael, the only one so far confirmed indifferent to romance and feelings of THAT nature, whereas he gets ☹️ if it’s anyone else sksksksksksksks GIRL WHEN I TELL YOU I SCREAMED. Astarion you big ol softie you ☺️
True, but it's the personality that matters......in which case Astarion wins for me (unexpectedly, pretty boys are usually not that interesting personality wise).😅
Its surprisingly interesting. Larion is running a very .. movable ship. The Story is emensy open so fare. But I wonder if they would consider Poly options within the cast. and if so how that may even be intresting to see play out - as i would argu it would take extra loops within the story to get those characters to... agree with each other xD. but i would love to see the option
Gale might have been right about Astarion not thinking it was a big deal but it’s a big deal TO ME even if he’s not actually in love yet I’m holding out for him
I still haven't romanced Shadowheart.. I sort of have an issue with her. I really dislike her LOL. One of these days I'll force myself to try and get to know her.
My game bugs out if I actually say yes to Gale after sleeping with Astarion LOL (look I did it out of curiosity, ok!). If you do the celebration night romance with Astarion and then tell Gale you'll sneak out after everyone's asleep the next night, then you'll have to click 'go to bed'. But instead of getting a scene with Gale, it just gets stuck with everyone's character models in the bed rolls and you'll have to reload to an earlier save to get out of it.
It is all because of the new hot fix#6(which was released after this video) where all romantic scenes accidentally broke. I've had the same thing today, so, don't worry. You can get that scene as soon as they release another fixed update :)
@@chief_mourner He is clearly traumatised by what Mystra did to him, the whole manipulation and use of him at a young age. Not that it excuses his behaviour but he doesn't seem to know better :/
Toxic or creepy might be going a bit far. And if he's truly trying to emotionally manipulate you, I'd say he's doing a piss poor job at it with his 'let's talk about my ex the morning after our first night together' stunt. Mostly I just find him boring and a tad bit arrogant. And he needs to fix his pillowtalk game for real.
Need to look into: why was falling PC halted before hitting ground in intro? Why of three brains found on nautiloid... 2 were humanoid brains and 1 an elder brain? Theory? What if the ilithid that YOU stomp into ground... Is YOU transformed from future? All the dead Ilithids on ship... Your companions?
When I started to play BG3, I easily fell into the Weave scene. Now, even with watching walkthroughs, I'm not getting it. Maybe I'm just meant to be with Astarion, and if a Halsin romance becomes available, then Halsin too.
An option for polyamory could be interesting too. As someone who is polyam, a love triangle option is pretty old/boring to me but I don't mind them so it would be nice to see if maybe there were options for it to play out in a polyam style OR love triangle/fighting over the PC option via dialogue.
lmao astarion gives off major "I'll sell you to satan for one corn chip" vibes right up until you have sex with him, and yet if I accidentally triggered this option to potentially cheat on him I'd probably be so scandalized I'd leave gale at camp for the rest of his life
I know Larian have said a few of the companions are less/not monogamous (I'm unsure of the phrasing), so hopefully there might be some more "actual poly" options instead of cheating. Especially since another comment mentions proposing a threesome between Shadowheart and Astarion?
@@nichtdiejeniche3845 I actually agree. I think Astarion would be possessive because vampires tend to be possessive. Vampire + elf= super possessive. Especially if he does genuinely love the PC.
@@margisama I actually read something like that about vampires. After a humanoid being becomes a vampire their feelings start to twist to something more sinister. For example love is twisted to morbid obsession and so on. So I guess, sharing is a no no for Astarion. :D
I don’t perceive this as cheating. There were only two flirts with Gale, and Astarion is always kinda flirty. I don’t see that makes Tav either Astarion or Gale’s exclusive boyfriend.
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Knife fight in the parking lot 😭😭 pretty boy vs mullet wizard please I would pay to see that
I'm glad you feel me! I would totally pay to see that! xDD
Shiny Teeth vs Magic Mullet!
...I think I'd be throwing myself in the way to protect the pretty boy. I'm a sucker for that Floof... 😅
YES
I'm deaaad, this is hilarious!! XD
Fun fact at 2:30 Astarion talks about having "a little death" that expression is a translation of the french phrase "la petite mort" which describes the sensation post orgasm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort .
I am in no way touching that link cuz i dont wanna know what the hell that is
@@Wimpwompbomp XD
I'm reading through the comment section seeing that other people take their romances seriously and I'm like
"YES!! IM NOT THE ONLY HOPELESS ROMANTIC!!!" Lol
I could never do such a thing to Astarion!! He's the ONLY vampire I ever fell in love with on first sight! In the entire universe lol
I am also glad to see that many people would not cheat, even in video games 🥳 Astarion was such a surprise for me, I started this game with intentions to romance Shadowheart, but I end up hating her😅 didn't expect anything from Astarion, but he turned out to be the best companion for me. I also have a thing for characters who has been emotionaly broken and now work hard to get their lives back. I feel like I am taking part and helping in a healing journey, and it's wonderful. Amazing voice acting is a cherry on top of course.
@@irinapar8389 It was sooo weird for me too because when I first watch a gameplay of it I was like ooooh okay I'm going for Gale but then I saw the pale skin and ruby eyes and I lost it! Like if I was meant to convert to Astarion. So agree with yah he is the best one! I for sure try to play the healing part in Astarion's quest and so hope we have a bigger range and chance to do so in the full release. Release him of Cazador!!!
Man Gale really had me feeling like that "kombucha girl meme" on rather i would like to romance him or not
Hahah - yeah I know what you mean.Sometimes he is all smoldering and hot and then other times he says dumb shit like "I'm full of delights" xD
Okay but like, same.
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טוב לראות ישראלים ביוטיוב
This could not describe how I feel about Gale x Tav's relationshio better! xD
Idk why... I'm obsessed with that "you want to be known... to be tasted". Idk how to work it into every day jargon, but I plan to 🤣
Because it's hot! That's why! xD
Say it to a burrito. We're all equally alone here😅
@@aubreyackermann8432 XD omg - *dies*
I'm doing a CoS (Curse of Strahd) campaign and when I heard this line from Astarion, I was just like, "I need Strahd to be a sleeze ball and say this to Ireena in front of the party."
You can do this with Shadowheart and even suggest you go at it the three of you (her, you and Astarion) and she declines with "maybe some other time" or something like it. So she seems open to the idea, lol
Woaaah! Saucy!
You can get laezel and shadowheart too 8)
When the game is released I will romance them seperately. I cannot cheat on them. I really really can't 🥺
I KNOW! I would never have seen this without someone telling me because I always play super loyal X_X
But what if there's a secret reverse harem ending?!
@@Sedines hahhaha if there is I'll be impressed with Larian
Astarion will be so hurt. Hes very sensitive.
I feel like Astarion would propose a threesome instead. The more the merrier!
@@quixotic7460 I think so too if the approval is low. A high approval towards the main character might mean something more to him
I would not be opposed to this o____o
I completely agree, behind all his indifference and selfishness there is a sensitive broken soul. That's why I love him so much, there are layers to his character. I would never hurt him like this 😤 He remind me so much of Zevran from Dragon Age, he too seamed like a selfish, frivolous man when you first meet him, but it's just a facade to hide how broken he really is. All my favorite LI are deeply traumatized characters 😅
he never does what one thinks he will do. But yeah, I'm more in the camp of he will absolutely will not like the idea of a threesome with gale/lae'zel or an open relationship with either/or. He is already very prickly about you sleeping w Lae'zel or Minthara, and keeps getting upset at that. Gale's thing seems like more of an adult relationship and less just fun. Astarion is very much about power in the relationship, so a more serious relationship than his (i.e Gale's) or one where they have more power over Tav (Lae'z/Minthara) is something he absolutely will not want. Plus, Gale will absolutely make you choose, bc his experience with Mystra he wont like you double dipping. Gale is already doing that power thing by actually inviting you to sleep w him after you have made your choice. One of the very few times he disproves of something that is not evil (actually probably the only thing) is saying that you won't betray Astarion. He actually seems very upset despite trying to keep his cool. Astarion won't like he is stealing one of his main support (or toy) tbh. We don't know enough abt Wyll to know where Astarion would stand on that, and I think the only route where there might have an ot3 would be w Shadowheart not only bc they keep flirting at each other and w Tav, the power dynamics are not as contrived as w the others.
The first time I saw the scene where Gale talks about his feelings for Mystra, I felt gutted for my character's sake. How is any mortal supposed to compete with his blatantly romantic affections for a *goddess*? That's like trying to follow the amazing tap dancing act at the school talent show by playing a kazoo. I just kinda wrote him off in my head because of it, I assume the minute she shows him any real attention at all my character will find herself dropped like a hot potato.
It's even worse once you replay and realize that Gale's initial illithid dream was about Mystra, and then the way he talks about her - how real and perfect it was. >_
I have never wanted a poly option so badly in my life. Larian, please, I have two hands, let us have this, I'm begging!
Omg this made me laugh 🤣 "I have two hands!"
Gods yes!!! I’d love for that to be an option!!!
PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN DAMN IT
rofllllll i'm dying here imagining that XD
I honestly couldn't see Astarion fighting for someone who betrayed him. He'd probably be snarky, but deeply hurt. He already has trust issues, that would probably be something he wouldn't tolerate unless you said up front you weren't serious about him.
Agreed. He may seem like he'd be freaky, but he slowly reveals he really just wants to be with a person he can trust and love. He also would be too prideful to share his "hunt" or "prey". Does then soon to be best Vampire alive loan his companion to some human mage? Probably not.
At this point I don't think it would be "betraying" him though. He'll sleep with you even without high approval and he makes it very clear the party night hookup is about sex, and not about some deep connection.
Thank you for the video, I take my romances really seriously, I would never have done this in any of my playthroughs. I could play the most evil character, but I still would never cheat. In fact there are only two things that I never do in games. Cheat on my LI and hurt animals. No amount of being in character can make me cross this line. P.S. I love Astarion with all my heart. It's strange but in every game with multiple LI options, I always fall in love with one and completely ignore the rest. I played DA:O four times, romanced Zevran in all of them. Played DA2 seven times and chose Fenris every single time 😆. Cullen is doomed to always be with my Inquisitor of course 🤭I am staying faithful even on different playthroughs 😅
I am the same way! For me, DAO, it's Alistair. Fenris was def my choice in DA2, and in DAI, Solas (I know I'm a sadist - but I love it). I wouldn't have ever known about this without someone telling me because I play it so straight and narrow with my LI! But you're welcome! I went through the pain so you didn't have to!
Even villians have standards.
Why is this me, seriously. The only time I'm ever conflicted is during my DA:O playthroughs because I love Zevran and Alistair so much I can never properly choose, which is why I downloaded a poly mod. I always do end up picking Zevran though, because I'm a Dalish and I want Alistair's arse on the throne because screw Anora.
In DA2 I always always romance Fenris, and if my pride is wounded I use Anders for a quick rebound makeout sesh but throw him out as soon as he badmouths Fenris. 🤐
Omg same! Zevran, Fenris, Astarion! I could never cheat on them with my character lol. Even in Origins I always have to go for Zev, no matter my origin haha
Hmmm, maybe I'll romance Gale on my second playthrough. I'm pretty bookish myself, and I love a hot nerd. But even then I'd still be a loyal friend to Astarion. There's no way I'm letting Cazador hurt him, or anyone else, again.
Hmm hmm ./regularshow
Mystra has had a number of lovers in her existence. She's had three incarnations - Mystryl (CN), the "daughter" of Selune and Shar. When Mystryl was destroyed by Karsus, she was reborn as Mystra in the body of a Netherese child. During the time of Troubles, Mystra was slain by Helm when she attempted to return to her home in Dweomerheart. Midnight was eventually given the portfolio and power of Mystra (and took up her name too) by the overgod Ao for her actions during the Time of Troubles.
Ellminster, the Sage of Shadowdale is probably the most prominent of her lovers who are still alive. Mystra had seven daughters (known as the Seven Sisters) by posessing a mortal woman's body. Given the timeline of the game, a number of the Seven Sisters are now dead (or weave-spirits), but some are still alive. Sometimes, Mystra will imbue certain people with a portion of her power, those are called the Chosen of Mystra. (That is a directive from the Overgod Ao to make sure Mystra's power is kept in check and contained, otherwise she could easily overpower all the other gods.)
The idea that a mortal would expect a god to be "faithful" is a little strange.
I'm loving your on demand lore knowledge here! Thank you for the information! :D I actually bought the avatar series to help with some knowledge of the events regarding her/potentially Gale, but the text was so dang small, I had trouble reading it. Going to have to try and find the ebook.
so the original mystra is dead and Gale's in lve with the woman who was given her post? Alright.
To be fair Gale said he was really young when Mystra approached him which I find kind of sus on her part.
Oh no I can't do that to Astarion 😥
I can't believe Gale proposed you cheat on Astarion... right the night after you sleep with him. I can see why he may do that, but unholy hells, Gale has no shame whatsoever lol
I'm really hoping Astarion romance will go beyond being "lovers" and we get these interactions with other party members more fleshed out
No shame at all! lol
I wouldn't say he has no shame. He won't propose to sleep together unless the romance is activated. I would shift the blame to Tav for leading him on.
idk if you can call it cheating when you've literally only slept with him lol. they never say they're exclusive or something. everyone in the party barely knows each other.
Ey Thanks for the shout out, and great vid! I'm also really looking forward to what happens when full release comes out. If they went as far as making Gale mention that he knows you slept with someone else and still propositions you, you know there will probably be some drama. If you betray Astarion, will he remember it later when you see his quest through with Cazador? Will Cazador try and use Astarion's love interest against him in some way - He certainly seems like the type. Will Astarion care? Will he remember? When you let him drink your blood he says it's a gift, and he won't forget it - I'm willing to bet that if you stay loyal to him, he will remember that too. So many questions and so much to look forward to. Ah, what a great game :)
No problem! Likely wouldn't have found out about it for awhile without your tip! I wonder if it will be kind of like that exchange was in DAO when you romance two people and they make you choose one of them. Or if it will be "more complicated." I'm in favor of more complicated! It's funny, because in the end, I think it made me trust Gale's intentions a bit more. If he's that determined to get you, maybe he won't just leave you the second Mystra comes back! I still need to see that knife fight though >_
@@Mmogurl Thank you for this video because I couldn't even get Gale to talk to me like he did you. He just says "it's the wine talking, bye."
Thank you for making this! I love your commentary as well. I appreciate how the companions in this game are so nuanced in their relationships and are so mature about them. Don't get me wrong, jealousy moments are kinda cute in fiction but to have characters be cool with previous hook ups is refreshing in its own way
Thanks! I really enjoy talking about it so I'm glad people like to listen. It is really crazy how much work they put into this! I am blown away with how much nuance there is, and how many options and paths there are to take.
@@Mmogurl I know right!? And this is just act 1! There is going to be so much time to flesh out their character arcs and complicated feelings about previous relationships in the main game. I've liked Larian's previous games but they've surpassed my expectations with Baldur's Gate 3 so far
As much as I'd like a proper representation for polyamory in video games, I doubt there'd be a proper one in Baldur's Gate 3 (considering every possible playable character has their own drawbacks, and stories are bound to conflict).
That being said, if Astarion is ultimately not comfortable sharing his partner, no matter what, I'll **STILL** be picking him as my romance option!
Gale might come close as intriguing to me...but the chaotic stupid murderhobo vampirespawn (that I can't stop calling Floof because of his hair)? Could never bring myself to hurt him.
Astarion stole my heart with the earliest footage of him I ever saw; I'm determined to protect that silly Floof, no matter what! (At least with my main playthroughs...not sure if I'll be able to endure hurting him in others... 😟)
LMAO with the Floof nickname.. Did you come up with it yourself? Or is this a name the community gave him?
there is no proper presentation for the improper I'm afraid
Thanks for making me spit water all over my screen. I almost died with the "chaotic stupid murderhobo vampirespawn" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Haha you captured my feelings for Gale and Astarion so well. For my first playthrough I couldn't get Gale's weave scene (I didn't know about it at that time) so I ended up promising myself to Astarion, but ended up to bed alone because I felt bad for Gale. No booty for my Tav (yes her name was really Tav because I thought it as ok name lol). Also, what I found interesting, I am not 100% sure about this, but Gale's "proposition" linesfor both scenes (during the party & night after during the ebdtime story) are exactly the same, but the voice acting is different. Maybe it's just me, but during the party he sounds more confident and "charming", while after the party night he kind of sounds bit defeated, unsure and maybe he actually feels bad even asking about it. I like that kind of touch, maybe I would've liked more completely different lines for the night after, but atleast it is not a full copy paste voicelines.
I think I have one char who is not named Tav.. LOL I will have to give them a listen again, I definitely got that vibe too even if just from his expressions and how he carried himself. Like he felt a little.. maybe this isn't cool.. but I gotta do it.
Imagine how weird it would be if they actually used his original scene? Gale talks you into cheating on Astarion with him, and then proceed to tell you about being in love with Mystra and those veils she opened for him...
Quite possibly Gale didn't have any significant relationships after or even before Mystra, so, if he felt real connection with your character, then it makes sense that he would insist on giving it a try - this makes his story much sadder tho(
I agree! I felt originally like Gale was being kind of sleezy like I mentioned, and I was shocked to see him being so serious and upset when I said no. Like.. Oh man.. I read that wrong.. It was even harder because this was the char I romanced him on! Like my actual Gale game..hehe.
@@Mmogurl I don’t see him as less sleazy because he’s more desperate, but it explains why he would lie by omission about his relationship with Mystra and try to steal you from another party member. Really hope he comes to genuinely love mc and not using them as a rebound. I would love to see some selfless actions on his part to get over that manipulative thing.
@Ability Drain im a slut for Astarion, so, I adore all his cutscenes and reactions... but in a sense the way those companions interact with each other is even more interesting than the way they interact with the mc. Something about the world exploration dialogue and then talking to each other during cut scenes makes them look more real than the mc, and adding a love triangle to the mix helps to make them seem even more real.
Oh, and I wonder would Gale try to steal you from any companion or just Astarion? Cause they def don’t like each other much...
When people say video games are made to appeal to the male fantasy. . Maybe. But this. This is for the women 🥲 I am one of those women.
oh man i really hope they fix that. can't wait to make another save file where i'm a scandalous little harlot lol. i'd love to see them react over you being promiscuous. even tho i prefer the disaster child astarion, i'm very curious about this scenario
but tbh, idk if it's just me, gale kinda gives me some sleazy fk boy vibes LOL.
I wonder if the "a little death" at 2:33 is a reference to la petite mort...as in "the sensation of post orgasm as likened to death." Or maybe I'm looking wayyyy too far into that. It just jumped out at me.
I am pretty sure thats exactly what he meant.
Very interesting and I'm glad they did this. I wonder how this will pan out with the full release.
You want them to be pissed off at each other...I want them to kiss...and then kiss you
LOL! Reminds me of this anime.. "Kiss him, not me!" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Him,_Not_Me
Looking forward to the story analysis!!!
oof----- I feel like I don’t have much to add here that hasn’t already been touched on by other commenters but I will say this. For anyone who thinks that Astarion wouldn’t care or would just take the more the merrier ;) approach, I got news for you.
My last playthrough I focused on Astarion romantically but had high or very high approval with everyone in the party which meant my Tav had her pick of company the night of the party. Sooo I save scummed accepting and rejecting party members just to see what alternative reaction dialogues were like depending on who I said yes to and rejected and I did find something INTERESTING about Astarion. He had SOMETHING to say about Tav’s choice in chosen bunkmate for every party member but the interesting part comes at choosing how you answer his remark. I may be wrong but if my memory serves right there was 3 options to choose from that boiled down to
1. Looking forward to it/it’s gonna be fun/it’s gonna be a good time.
2. This is just about sex, nothing serious/no feelings here oh nooo
3. You jealous?
Circling back to what I said regarding the people who think he wouldn’t care…. Choosing the first option, aka the option for your Tav to verbalize they’re looking forward to their time with who they chose (are excited/and are not denying having feelings for them) for anyone but Le’zael (aka the only one in the party who makes it clear there are absolutely no feelings involved for her when it comes to sex with Tav or anyone else) Astsrion DISAPPROVES of Tav’s verbal excitement/affection for their choice… ._.
If Tav shows any indication to Astarion they’re remotely serious about their affections for anyone but La’zael (who up till the party hasn’t had any scenes with Tav or dialogue indicating interest in them romantically or even platonically) or if you choose the third option and question if he’s jealous, you will get a screen notification of DISAPPROVAL.
For someone who likes to snark a lot & act like his heart is untouchable or was lost over the years he was a slave to Cazador, it’s sure seems Fragile when it comes to Tav showing any favoritism or more fondness for someone besides himself who returns those sentiments to Tav or seems a romantic threat.
So yeah. Not sure if it’s different if your approval status with him is lower that night since I’ve heard you’ve only gotta be as medium for anyone in the party to unlock the romance with them, and if it’s lower he may not care so much? But in this case I’m pretty certain regardless if he were to address it or not if he were to know of Tav spending the night in another’s arms regardless if it was Gale or not I’m pretty certain the last thing he’d feel about it is UNCARING. ❤️
All that aside though I gotta say I truly have a hard time seeing Gale as sleazy for shooting his shot with Tav even knowing that they spent the night with Astarion, and for a few reasons.
I will not say I found his actions here admirable because they ain’t no matter how you spin them, and it doesn’t help that Gale has already revealed he’s not exactly the best when it comes to clear rejection or taking a hint when he wants someone :| (here’s hoping he’s learned to not do anything-- drastic to deal with with rejection the way he did with Mystra AMIRITE 😬)
But let us look at facts for a moment
1. For this scene to occur Tav will have needed to show clear romantic interest in Gale during the weave scene. Even if it was only one moment of flirtation it was anything but vague and it happened while he was sharing something extremely intimate (to him) with them as well in them having shared the weave.
2. I doubt it but this moment could be companion centric and specific to choosing Astarion or perhaps even Le’zael. I doubt it but wouldn’t it be interesting if Gale is only willing to try one more time if Tav is to choose one or the other if they party members who A C T like whatever they’re doing with Tav is meant to be for fun or convenient in La’zaels case and NOT SERIOUS. Gale isn’t exactly subtle about how he feels about Tav’s choice in Astarion at the party but even before then no one is quiet about their doubts when it comes to his sincerity so why wouldn’t Gale question the man’s feelings for Tav or the nature of his affections for their companion?
3. Gale had no way of knowing how serious Tav & Astarion are about eachother or how they look when ‘courting’ someone in ernest. They’ve only been traveling together for a short time after all. And were his own feelings serious in nature, & if he took what Tav shared with him in the weave as genuine as well….. I can’t bring myself yo blame him for-- trying :c.
It doesn’t help that he does seem genuinely saddened & disappointed if you reject him when he does.
In short Gale may not be an entirely honest man… But I think his feelings always are. And that is something. 😔
Wow - interesting.. I don't know if I've ever seen that before.. I don't buy the idea of him not caring about Tav though. I think he's a big ole softie!
@@Mmogurl yeah, I save scummed the beginning of the party before speaking to anyone and then went down the list of part members accepting one and rejecting the rest before checking in with Astarion for his dialogue. And when I noticed the differences on the appearance of that DISAPPROVAL notice I was all 👀 WELL OK NOW I GOTTA CHECK THIS FOR EVERYONE AND SEE IF THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN HOW ASTARION FEELS IN TAV CHOOSING THAT OPTION DEPENDING ON THEIR VHOICE IN PARTNER FOR THE NIGHT. And when I saw there was & even more telling he only seems ok with Tav being excited to spend time with Le’zael, the only one so far confirmed indifferent to romance and feelings of THAT nature, whereas he gets ☹️ if it’s anyone else sksksksksksksks GIRL WHEN I TELL YOU I SCREAMED. Astarion you big ol softie you ☺️
"Yes YES fight over me" 😂
Hahah I always wonder if people will appreciate that sort of thing xD
@@Mmogurl sis they DO! But GenZ is so freaking lazy to even type
oh my god, Gale is such a dweeb. This is my first time seeing footage of him and it does him no favors to have his footage right next to Astarion's.
"his trigger off" lol but honestly that got me all the time and I keep doing shadow heart everytime by mistake XD Thankgodnes she is badass ^^
I knew as soon as I met Astarion my other video game boyfriends were gonna be mad. Sorry Alistair & Cullen, but how could I not? 😂
Astarian is so much better looking than Gale. Seriously I think Gale looks more like normal guy next door.
True, but it's the personality that matters......in which case Astarion wins for me (unexpectedly, pretty boys are usually not that interesting personality wise).😅
Its surprisingly interesting. Larion is running a very .. movable ship. The Story is emensy open so fare. But I wonder if they would consider Poly options within the cast. and if so how that may even be intresting to see play out - as i would argu it would take extra loops within the story to get those characters to... agree with each other xD. but i would love to see the option
Gale might have been right about Astarion not thinking it was a big deal but it’s a big deal TO ME even if he’s not actually in love yet I’m holding out for him
And that's why I romanced Shadowheart.
Shadowheart disapproves. xD
@@Mmogurl I will melt that icy heart of hers
Wooo it's amazing ! I'll try this tonight, I have a game where i can romance Gale and Astarion (and shadowheart...)
I still haven't romanced Shadowheart.. I sort of have an issue with her. I really dislike her LOL. One of these days I'll force myself to try and get to know her.
@@Mmogurl I totally understand, I dislike her too, the possibility to romance her was a total side effect ^^ (i killed Lae'zel)
My game bugs out if I actually say yes to Gale after sleeping with Astarion LOL (look I did it out of curiosity, ok!). If you do the celebration night romance with Astarion and then tell Gale you'll sneak out after everyone's asleep the next night, then you'll have to click 'go to bed'. But instead of getting a scene with Gale, it just gets stuck with everyone's character models in the bed rolls and you'll have to reload to an earlier save to get out of it.
It is all because of the new hot fix#6(which was released after this video) where all romantic scenes accidentally broke. I've had the same thing today, so, don't worry. You can get that scene as soon as they release another fixed update :)
@@Alevtine_Di oh good, a promiscuity fix 😂
Okay, but IMPORTANT QUESTION: can you make the tiefling any color or-
Is there now a jealousy dialoge with patch 4?
I don't know why but Gale just creeps me out.
Big same. Toxic behaviour from the get-go
He seems like an emotional manipulator. For only someone inexperienced and naive would fall for his flowery words.
@@chief_mourner He is clearly traumatised by what Mystra did to him, the whole manipulation and use of him at a young age. Not that it excuses his behaviour but he doesn't seem to know better :/
Toxic or creepy might be going a bit far. And if he's truly trying to emotionally manipulate you, I'd say he's doing a piss poor job at it with his 'let's talk about my ex the morning after our first night together' stunt. Mostly I just find him boring and a tad bit arrogant. And he needs to fix his pillowtalk game for real.
Yeah, had to do two different playthroughs. Can't cheat on either of them.
C´mon ! You slept with the elf, didn´t marry him! I don´t see the oddity in asking.
I did mention that as far as he knew it was a one night stand xD
Why not make a playthrough with this game? It looks fun and the story good.
I would, but people almost never watch them when I make them and the editing process takes HOURS. Plus, I get interrupted a lot throughout the day.
Need to look into: why was falling PC halted before hitting ground in intro?
Why of three brains found on nautiloid... 2 were humanoid brains and 1 an elder brain?
Theory? What if the ilithid that YOU stomp into ground... Is YOU transformed from future? All the dead Ilithids on ship... Your companions?
o_o That would be MESSED up! I still have to put together all of my major story evidence stuff and try to come up with some theory. It's on my list!
Avatars book series? Is that the one that begins with Kelemvor and Midnight as mortal adventurers?
*eskandalo* :0
i love them both so much, if i get the chance to play this, i am making separate characters ;-;
When I started to play BG3, I easily fell into the Weave scene. Now, even with watching walkthroughs, I'm not getting it. Maybe I'm just meant to be with Astarion, and if a Halsin romance becomes available, then Halsin too.
An option for polyamory could be interesting too. As someone who is polyam, a love triangle option is pretty old/boring to me but I don't mind them so it would be nice to see if maybe there were options for it to play out in a polyam style OR love triangle/fighting over the PC option via dialogue.
counter proposal to the 'knife fight in the parking lot' a poly relationship. because why not keep both?
Oh I didn’t know you could do this 👀 interesting
lmao astarion gives off major "I'll sell you to satan for one corn chip" vibes right up until you have sex with him, and yet if I accidentally triggered this option to potentially cheat on him I'd probably be so scandalized I'd leave gale at camp for the rest of his life
Is this patched？
Anyone else getting lucifer vibes from astarion or is it just me? 😳
*Me, being poly*
Reads the title: 🤩
Watches the video: 😔
I know Larian have said a few of the companions are less/not monogamous (I'm unsure of the phrasing), so hopefully there might be some more "actual poly" options instead of cheating. Especially since another comment mentions proposing a threesome between Shadowheart and Astarion?
I hope only Lae'zel is poly...
@@nichtdiejeniche3845 I actually agree. I think Astarion would be possessive because vampires tend to be possessive. Vampire + elf= super possessive. Especially if he does genuinely love the PC.
@@margisama I actually read something like that about vampires. After a humanoid being becomes a vampire their feelings start to twist to something more sinister. For example love is twisted to morbid obsession and so on. So I guess, sharing is a no no for Astarion. :D
I'd like to see this turn poly
I don’t perceive this as cheating. There were only two flirts with Gale, and Astarion is always kinda flirty. I don’t see that makes Tav either Astarion or Gale’s exclusive boyfriend.
Pro cheating🤣
I'm a messy bitch who lives for drama. 💁♀️
Maaaaan I love them but I would never want to hurt them. Can't we have a poly option? 😭😭😭
just have a poly option. c'mon, game!