Or go safari hunting with some giant caliber break barrel single-shot rifle and the little jumpsuit with shorts black boots and safari hat and a skinny Ethiopian guide named Mbala
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Lots of interesting tidbits that really add more texture to the whole context of what was going on during that period and other periods. Probably have to rewatch it 2 or 3 times. Some nice gems of information. I am a huge fan of "context" and you guys touch upon a good bit of different subjects. The area of presentation where I found my mind sorta trying to piece things together was the concept of Italic people occupying central and eastern Europe and also the Italian area. Then them being pushed down into just Italy proper by the Celts/Gauls.etc ... I was imaging how Rome itself was a reactionary expansion of italic people pushing back against the Celts/Gauls there. But then there is the whole Etruscan side of things, them being a colony from the Western Annantolia area. Basically, the Etruscans possibly helping the Italic get technologically advanced enough to be not only able to fight back against the Gauls/celts but to eventually beat them so bad to make them virtually militarily extinct from mainland Europe. (Germanic tribes obv. coming down from the north and maybe the east also had success against the Gauls/Celts, and who the hell knows who else pressured them from the east, Scythians/Sarmatians etc... lol)
The connection with the phoenicians and their maritime empire is an incredible insight. Phoenician and hebrew is essentially the same language, so sea peoples to palestine>interact with locals, adopt language, and extend their seafaring knowledge which leads to a reverse migration later on. Amazing
the Sea People's whom are those warriors that was a configuration of tribes that where off the cost of ashdod or maybe they made there ship's from the cedar of lebanon . look at the cost line look at Israel maybe the tribes of israel
I would like to start an in depth conversation about chariot combat. First, chariortiers were highly mobile, like mechanized infantry of today. This means they could avoid engagement until they sought confrontation. They could skirmish at will and re-engaged as it suited them. If the sea peoples were on foot it means they were extremely vulnerable to this time tested and true combat tactic. Second, this was the bronze age, meaning chariotiers would be protected with bronze armor, which had been completely effective in securing their protection from foot soldier combat temporally up until contact with the sea people. In short, my inquiry is how the sea people countered the chariot combat so well, which nobody had been successful at until then. Its not like nobody had tried before them. Furthermore as the Doctor states is that that the sea people were mariners first, land combat was not their expertise. Did they revolutionize military doctrine? Did they have iron slugs for slingers? If so how did they field and mobilize such highly skilled infantry in strategic deployment? Maybe a combination of both of these. Moreover is how they got the chariotiers to stay engaged once they realized their tactics had been compromised. Mobility in combat it king, a trump card which all of a sudden turns up ineffective as soon as the sea peoples arrive. That is some kind of strange if you ask me!!!
King David See the work by Dr Drews of Vanderbilt; he emphasized military tech as an advantage. My best guess, and it is only that, is they killed the horses, thus nullifying or reducing their effectiveness.
@Bob - I recall seeing it mentioned in a doc or college lecture years ago. It's probably not much of a leap regarding the Sea Peoples bringing iron age weapons (i.e. steel) with them because the eastern med nations had been using bronze for a long time. Then, all of a sudden, the Philistines (the 'Peleset' of the Sea Peoples) take their slice of land and are mentioned as having iron arms. That might also suggest the Sea Peoples' invasion may have introduced the Iron Age to the Eastern Med. Arms races, after all, tend to create widespread leaps in technology.
Iron is one thing, steel is another and came later. Early iron was inferior to well made bronze. Iron was readily available, but used much fuel. I've read on this topic, The Collapse, for over 16 years and still feel thick as a brick on the topic.
Do you have any videos of the celts? I coouldn't find any, but I'd love to hear all that you've learned about the celts. It would be great to have Barry Cuneliff in a live interview like this. The live interview adds a nice touch.
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I have done some casual reading on this. I cannot remember the source, but apparently there is considerable archaeological evidence of early syncretistic religion that combined Yahweh worship with either Canaanite or Philistine religion (or both).
One problem with this theory, at the time there was an almost international/global trade aspect to the bronze age civilizations, yet the sea people invaders were unknown to the great empires of the time. It is implausible that they were native to the mediterranean region , not impossible, but highly unlikely.
My question is whether the sea people were predominantly iron bearing people? Because if that’s the case, that would account for their secret to success without knowing anything about the laws of attraction. And then the other questions that begs to be answered, is whether the Dorians are contemporaneous with these sea peoples. Were they iron-bearing? was this a matter of northern Iron coming down upon and handily defeating southern bronze? Like somebody got the idea it into his head like “I know what we can do. Now that we have iron, what do you say we head on down to the Mediterranean? Because that would be a nifty distinction and easy to remember.
Pale faces get this, the sea people were of black stock, and the so-called Israelites which were black people called Hebrew. These two pale faces set up here and lie. Especially this white Jew boy with this European dialect
This was a great video! This too is one of my favorite mysteries in history, the Sea Peoples! The only thing I wonder though is where the Philistines(Peleset) came from exactly? Were they from the ancient Phelasgians? Who knows? But this video was still kool!
@16:30 Actually the Jews had armor, and Saul's was offered to David to use, but David said it was too big, didnt fit. Interestingly they didnt look for a set that fit. It could be Saul had one of the only sets.
Philistines are related to pelsets who are Greek pirates from the southern part of Crete I watched an episode on Minoans where mr nick barksdale discusses with a known anthropologist and historian dr Louise hitchcock on his channel on how the Minoans feared pirates living on the southeastern island of Crete.
For everyone who's wondering, because no question is a stupid question, history requires the invention of writing, since history is the study of documents and inscriptions. Therefore, "pre-history" or "proto-history" refers to the entire period of the human past before we had writing, so roughly 3500 BCE and before. Pre-history would be the lengthy period of human existence before writing, proto-history refers to the period in and around the invention of writing, so shortly before. Okeeee
Very interesting documentary about a fascinating and decisive moment of the Antiquity. It should be very interesting a documentary about those civilizations that originated the Sea People, like the ancient Sardinian Civilization or the Etruscan Civilization. Amazing videos!!!
Buried Axblade all the maps are available on google. That being said this was more of an interview rather than a lecture. Had it been a lecture I would definitely include the maps.
Lycian were named as one of the tribes of the Sea Peoples. The Egyptian used the name Lukka and the Lycian were called by the Greeks (pronounced “Lu-key-a”) and still the Turks call them and the region (pronounced “Lick-e-a”)
When you see "y" in ancient names (or modern renderings of them) that means /u/ or maybe /ü/. That's why Libu>Libya, Assur>Assyria and Lukka>Lycia, among others.
Actually it’s š3krš3, Egyptian is like an abjad, the vowels are interpolations by egyptologists and NOT based on how the word was pronounced. Old Egyptian didn’t have E so egyptologists decided to insert E everywhere that a vowel might exist. Also the ayin is omitted because it doesn’t exist in the Latin alphabet. In short Latin transliterations are rubbish and the “Shekelesh” (or shoklash? Shuklash? Shakolsh?) have nothing to do with shekels whatsoever.
I personally believe that the Sea people invasions was simply revenge for sacking Troy.. Story says that after fall of Troy, Aeneas and some survivors fled to Italy..I think that he from there made coalitions with different tribes from Sicily, Sardinia but also from west and central Europe.. I believe that weapons for them was made around Hallstatt and that the ships were made in Adriatic sea.. I know that's too many "I believe",but I really believe that:)
@@BalkanCrusader Yes, maybe a similar scenario, only not certain if chronology mach, Besides Sea people main target was Egypt and their allies, while Troy’s enemies were Hellenistic kingdoms. But Who knows forth crusade ended up in the Balkans instead of the holy land, amazing.
@@vesislavdyulgerov4005 I wouldn't say only Hellenistic kingdoms.. People from Africa,Asia and Europe were involved in a Trojan war,so it was a much bigger clash than we think..
@@vesislavdyulgerov4005 To be honest, troy was very hellenic but had other issues other than the famous war. Jason and the argonaughts might very well have a parallel to the whole sea peoples. Greeks were much bigger than greece.
The sea people could be a unison of raja raja cholan of the maurya empire of southern India. The Vedic texts speak of the common thread between Tamil and Egyptian faiths specifically the polytheism. The cholan empire was the strongest navy in all of the oceans at one point. Them reaching the mouth of the Nile is extremely easy based on geography/topography. Tamil is the oldest language in history for a reason !
Homer's Trojan War happened before 1250 BCE without the Greeks seizing Troy, just as the Iliad describes. It was inconclusive and the Greeks went home when strife in their homelands demanded it. (This is the story of the Odyssey) Troy's walls were destroyed by earthquake some time later, maybe 1 generation. (A horse is the symbol of Poseidon, god of earthquakes.) However, the war with the Hittites and the raids of the Sea People were around 1190 BCE, a good 50-60 years after the Trojan War. I believe the Luwians allied with the Greeks at this time, to liberate Cyprus from Hittite control and attack their allies, the Egyptians. This explains the spread of tribes mentioned by the Egyptians. It also explains why so many Greeks were living on the Luwian coast by the end of dark age: Because the Luwians and the Ionians Greeks were ultimately allies. It also explains why the Iliad includes both Luwian and Greek hero songs: Because during the sea raids, those bards were in the same camp, and so fused their songs together (long before Homer).
With the assertion that the Philistines are settlers of the sea people’s population and that they possessed Iron weaponry, there can be two inferences drawn the first is a possible historic gap during which. They importedIron weapons the other is that they were able to bring this technology with them from their point of origin. The second would place the origin of Iron smelting from somewhere to the West of Mycenae. That would leave either southern. Gaul or Iberia. It would be unlikely that Iron was from anywhere in Britain as three of their biggest trading commodities were Copper, Tin and Bronze. It would. Have. Been. Self destructive to that trade if while iron smelting is known from a much later date, there has been no evidence of any kind of transition mingling of the three metals.
David and Goliath was a one-sided fight. However, it was Goliath that stood no chance. David was an expert slinger, which the Bible tells us and if you believe in God, he had God on his side. So what chance did Goliath really have?
Slow down with your excitement, I'm about to burst your bubble. Now think about it of course they "weren't allowed" to have iron weapons - it was the bronze age. Smelting iron was a very difficult process and you need extremely high temperatures so you need lots of wood ie trees too, the expense and effort to get iron was so technologically advanced and complicated that it was extremely rare so you'll find due to the sheet expense of it, any bronze age iron such as the dagger in Tutankhaun tomb was reserved for the extremely elite class. Your excitement is commendable and I'm sure contagious so its essential you slow down and think things through so you don't spread misinformation :)
everyone that comes across ancient accounting records kinda blow them off, when Google drools over every scrap, of every transaction; they could tell ya bout the ink that printed your receipt. I hope all these receipts are going into a database somewhere, cause it'll eventually tell us more bout people than anything. Follow the money, or clams, or whatever it may have been.
I find very interesting the claim about the origin in modern day Turkey of the Etruscans (that claim is as old as Herodotus) but since they spoke a non Anatolian language. How did they arrive to Anatolia?
@@Phaedon53 What is obsolete? The hypothesis of the Eastern Mediterranean origin of the Etruscans? Of course I don't know if that's true, simply I was surprised when I heard that claim to Woudhiizen
@@CanalCursoMLearning The Turkish origins theory is obsolete. And Herodotus never wrote such thing. How could he ? The were no Turks there till almost 2000 years later. If there were Turks anywhere at all.
@@Phaedon53 I never mentioned the Turks, but Herodotus definetely claimed the origin of the Etruscans was in Lydia (modern day Turkey) and Woudhuizen thinks the same (I know other claim a local origin of the Etruscans in Italy, but Woudhuizen doesn't)
Χαῖρε Μεζιρίδης. The pontian Greeks are later inhabitants of the region, and they appear much later than the collapse, during the colonization of the black sea, this time from post-Homeric Greeks.
@@christopherneufelt8971 Pontian Greeks are only existing Sea people in the History, our Professor.Dr.Dr.Dr. could search for not existent Nubian or Egyptian (or even Celtic) Sea people(and even make a dissertation on the theme, but matter fact is that only we Pontians are bearing name of Sea people.
Damascus is the city of steel war Maker the blade as it is copper steel and cast iron it is the likeness of crucible steel as swift as a two edge sword the edge Sharp the blade swift as a strike of the viper.
Romans were a good part Etruscan, broke from their brothers and raided a native village(Sabine). Eastern Neolithic Farmers came from Anatolia, other words CAUCASION type people. Interesting ain't it.
He did not give an cogent answer to who the people were. What did they look like.. if we were to see them today who would we say they look like?? He said Greek. It’s painting wit black Greeks so please give simple answers for us simple people
Second part: And the "Chronicles of the Chaldean Kings" - in contrast to the mystical mystery of Ceram - proves that: "In the spring of his first full year of reign (604. BC) Nebuchadnezzar called out his army for an expedition to Syria where for six months they marched about unopposed.During this time the heads of the various small states of Syria and Palestine, which in this time are included in the term MAT-HATTI (Empire of the Hittites) were forced to submit to the Babylonian rule and to bring in their tribute. " These contemporary written documents thus speak of the COUNTRY OF THE BELIEFS even in 604 B.C. Today's "historians" do not deserve this undoubted evidence, but in biblical tales accept the kingdom of Israel as a Jewish empire. But the author of these lines also reviewed all the writings that could be made during the time of David and his biblical "dynasty." Babylonian or Syrian linguistic monuments ...? In contrast, man has found source material such as e.g. the publication of the "Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund" - "OUR WORK IN PALESTINE" (Toronto, 1873), in which the author - Captain Warren - at excavations of Solomon's Temple - found fragments of "Phoenician" vessels showing the "Royal Eagle." Sir Woolley proves similar vessels in the pottery of the indigenous Hurrite Khirbet Kerak people. So when one wants to identify the name and god-ideological ideology of the Palestinian indigenous people HURRITA-SUBAR-HITTITA with the Jewish people and empire, consider warning this book as the author says that: "What we know about Palestine on a religious basis is advisable to treat with the utmost caution, as it has been brought to the public consciousness solely on an emotional basis and not through scientific inquiry." It is this caution that shows us - through logical conclusions - the truth. For if all the Assyrian kings who perpetuate their military and domination achievements, victories, and conquests do not write and do not write about the "deportation of Israelites," or even about Israel's people or country, then the biblical writings in this regard are truly "story."
Thank you for the very fine interview that answered a lot of questions for me! Etruscans are neo-Trojans. Troy fell circa 950bc (not 1200bc which is a popular date). So a large number of Trojans ended up in Northern Italy. This group of Trojans became known as Etruscans, who sponsored Rome and were then conquered by Rome.
@@andybarry3435 That was my understanding also but its interesting to find the name in pre Rome Italy. The reality is that i dont know. It could just be coincidence.
What does DNA say. R there early Philistine graves. I know there r sea people graves in Crete. There culture and DNA comes from epirus north west Greeks. They exploded during bronze age collapse. Just like a Dorian invasion. Also the great Greek migrations been redated to 1150 bc.
Wait, so he uses the Bible as a source for saying that the Israelites were banned from having iron weapons, totally disregards everything the Bible said prior to that?
are there any sea peoples iron weapon are now that would give an indication to where their weapons came from, these areas except northern italy(minion) elba had iron ore, spain rhine and england,
27:05 urnfield people-, so the ancestors of germanics started sea people organization.? or were those people recruited by mediterranean kings like ceus.. because as the sea peoples consisted of many different peoples, it sounds Rome's tactique of mercenaring opponents with anyone they can recruit/ force to fight their wars. in the other hand, those peoples could've been 'cousins' of each other, which now just seems like different peoples as we are divided into countries and think like that… intesesting video all together!
@@King-xr9lx so Japheth was a son of Noa's? Then it's possible :D we don't have our ancestry known here anymore after Church started keeping track instead of letting us keep our oral tradition. But there is one Song, Ukko Nooa, that says grandfather (/old man) Nooa was a good man. So, it's possible we're related, or we're just honoring him for some other reason. Thanks for the comment, I never got notified by YT, but luckily came back here to try to find out a bit of information. :)
Didn't exist yet . 3 to 4 hundred years before earliest biblical records claim settlements in region. About 200 years before earliest claims of Hebrew exodus period. And 6 to 7 before the false narrative of lost tribes by assyria invasion. Tribes didn't get removed but did integrate with conquering peoples but were wrote off by returning Babylonian priests a century later not wanting to share power or their new occult practices picked up I. Babylon. 1 st major re write of the books that make up Torah.
You just dont make any sense whatsoever.What do you mean they didnt exist yet?The Exodus was in the 13th century BC.The tribe of Dan took off in their ships...they were a sea faring people at about that time.
@@garyhouston113 the 13th century bce is based on misinterpretation of ramesses being the pharaoh. Egypt held dominance over the region til 1150 Bce. By 1100 much of the area was desolate except the coastal cities. The bible is clear that that the Hebrews never had access to the coast until the maccabees.
I just want to say to the archaeologists and historians in this video and others like it, thank you. Our country would be a much better place if you guys were the real celebrities. Forget Jay z and Beyonce I want to hear about the see peoples, the bronze age, and ancient Assyria!
In Malay Archipelago, there have Sea Peoples. They evolve and civilize then become Malay peoples. In ancient time, the Sea People invade and pirated some ancient civilizations in South East Asia Mainland and other islands. They were describe as black peoples (not negro). In ancient times, they were called Kunlun. In early AD century, the Greek/Egypt geographer called Malay Peninsula as Maleu-kolon. Maybe there have a relation to ancient sea peoples in Mediterranean. Until today, there no historian and anthropologist that can relate this to ancient sea peoples in Mediterranean.
Is it me or does the story of the sea people sound so similar to the story of Moses splitting the Red Sea and walking through it joint with millions of Hebrew refugees?
I'm Going to reiterate. In my considered, educated in a Scottish University, Scottish enlightenment opinion, the Scots are descended from one of the Scythian(or maybe Thracian(same thing)) tribes. The Greeks called the Royal Scythians of the Pontic steppe the Scoliti.. The Romans of 350AD in Britain called the raiders of the west coast the Scoti. so 500 bc greeks.. Scoliti.. the Romans of 350AD.. the Scoti.. Scottish history says we came from the Pontic steppe and via the Holy land and Spain, arrived on the Irish coast with the stone of destiny and then became the Scots, which with the Picts, created Scotland. i would argue further that the Dan in the Egyptian inscription of the sea peoples are the same Dannan that landed on the Irish coast with the stone of destiny. This is the tribe that become the Scots and went on to create the biggest naval empire the world had ever seen. With the English obviously. Much respect to the English.
The findings from the Philistine cities show how Aegean styled cooking wear along with native cooking wear in each house, which realistically it is hard to imagine the Aegean men with their families peacefully sharing a native man with his family's house. I imagine that perhaps in some cases where men survived they moved in with widowed women from their raids and likewise widowed Aegean women moved in with surviving native families. However given the initial dominance of the Aegean culture one would tend to the former likely ratios. These theories of women of two different cultural origins sharing living arrangements could explain why they make these diverse pottery findings (btw, the Aegean pottery styles having been made from local clays)
Excellent discussion. But the elephant in the room that was only briefly touched upon, if at all, in the discussion: What prompted the "Sea Peoples" desperate all-out-attack-plus-migration south and east?
A profoundly interesting topic, and my thanks to the professor. I wonder how this coalition of at least nine diverse ethnicities came together and functioned during their tour of the Eastern Med. As I read the Egyptian accounts, it sounds like Rameses managed to drive a wedge between them, for example the "settling" of some in a couple of different places. Certainly we are left with a picture of very complex realtionships on all sides at the time of the collapse.
From what I can source on wiki, he certainly doesn't hold a professor's seat anywhere and hasn't impressed a book publisher enough to commit his ideas to print. Sounds a bit dodgy to me.
@@michaelbedford8017 he’s an independent researcher, and has been on a number of dig teams. He’s had papers published in journals. Just because he’s not a professor doesn’t mean he’s not credible.
Not just interesting, downright fascinatingly astounding! Keep up the great work. His accent was a bit hard combined with unfamiliar names, perhaps an overlay of some of the spelling of these races and places could help(or perhaps in the description).
@@carmenfernandez5396 This is the official point of view. How then are they related to the former minoan thalasocracy? Minoans also worship the Mother Godess, sacrificed young people, the minoan script havily influenced the phoenicians' alphabet, they also dye their clothes in purple, etc. Plus, it is well known that philistines come from Caphtor and share some common territories with Phoenicia.
@@carmenfernandez5396 You should know I trully apreciate you experience and effort you made to correct my opinions. I am indebt to Hegel, maybe, for a revolute way of imaging history. I am an idealist who sees in the pirate ship mast the canaanite tree godess Asherah, worshiped by dozens of ancient phoenician mariners in different ways... I don't believe in absolute truth or good especially in social sciences, and for no reason I could accept that the past is lost forever. Because I simply know that the trojan horse was merely a small ship with offers to the gods, that the huns where mainly an indo-iranian people preeceded by scythians and followed by slavic peoples, that there is no one greek people but only one koine lingua franca and the most 'greek' philosophers were born in Asia Minor (being in fact lydians thus being living remnants of the luvian civilization) or Itally. I know too many such things to keep my mouth shut, this is my problem!
Those the came by sea were Greeks. Not only that, but we know the name of one of them: Odysseus. He described the failed raid on Egypt in Odyssey. „But my comrades, yielding to wantonness, and led on by their own might, straightway set about wasting the fair fields of the men of Egypt; and they carried off the women and little children, and slew the men; and the cry came quickly to the city. Then, hearing the shouting, the people came forth at break of day, and the whole plain was filled with footmen, and chariots and the flashing of bronze. But Zeus who hurls the thunderbolt cast an evil panic upon my comrades, and none had the courage to hold his ground and face the foe; for evil surrounded us on every side. So then they slew many of us with the sharp bronze, and others they led up to their city alive, to work for them perforce.”
I so much wish you also had a full on interview on all the different “Luwian” people’s, the Caunians, the Carians, the Lycians, it’s all quite remarkable... I want to know if the Minoans spoke a language related to Luwian languages or not too...
There is another video in this series where someone talks about the decipherment of Minoan Linear A from a Hungarian professor. I would look up that one to answer your question about the Minoan language.
No they did not speak a related language to the Minoans. Luwian language was indo European while minoan is a language isolate as far as we know but we know very little on the minoan language because Linear A still hasn’t been deciphered. To me though I personally think the minoans were related to the Etruscans.
I found this fascinating especially comments linking Sea Peoples to Central Europe. Also liked the discussion possibly linking Sea Peoples with Philistines. I've heard suggestions in the past related to Phoenicians. Very impressed with Dr. Woudhuizen's presentation. Thank you. I liked and subscribed.
@@edstar83 Phoenicians were Bania from western india. Bani is a cognate of proto-indo-european word Vanijya and it literally means trade and commerce. Bania literally means trader. Spread of the western indian lineage of black rats via trader ships through europe has confirmed these events.
Congratulations for this channel, it's awesome! I have a question, for those who are familiar with Mycenaean culture and language. There were two social groups in Mycenaean society that were called "equeta" and "tereta", probably part of the aristocracy. I cannot help but notice the similarity with two names of the Sea Peoples: "Ekwesh" and "Teresh". Is there any link? Is it possible that those "peoples" were actually disenfranchised members of the palacial aristocracy that turned to piracy, or something like that?
Thanks for commenting Stefano and for enjoying the channel! These questions are brilliant and as a novice I agree with you but the Doctors I interview would be more qualified to handle this question. You make great points, if we look at Celtic tribal names many of them seem to rhyme as well but then we have the question as to whether or not they called themselves these names of if they were merely called these terms because that is what the "civilized world" thought they were called or wanted to call them. I ask myself the same question when looking at the Sea Peoples and that is if they called themselves these terms of if the Egyptians for example created them. But like I said, I am just a novice.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thank you for your answer, Nick and thank you so much for what you are doing. Your channel is a goldmine of great insights for anybody interested in Ancient History... I can't sto watching them! Your guests are always great!
Hey SAMA. I read an interesting older paper about the so-called "Sea Peoples." It talked about how some of the names (translations) of them have been strongly influenced by preconceived ideas (because certain hieroglyphs in Egyptian have dual potential pronunciation. For example, 'R' can be 'L' because the Egyptians did not have a hieroglyph for 'L' and 'T' can sometimes be 'S'). Hence the Shekelesh (thought maybe to be Sicilians) is actually from Egyptian T.K.R. (if memory serves). The Greeks remembered Troy but have nothing to say about the Sea Peoples or a Dark Age, which occured right at the same time. The Bible only says that Arameans became prominent at this time (corroborated by their diminishing the Middle Assyrian Empire) and that the Philistines gathered a multi-national force (as did one or two other local enemies of Israel). At this period mythology bordered on the advent of writing and widespread literacy (c. 1050 - 850 B.C.). It's strange that such a major event as the Late Bronze Age collapse/Dark Age and the Sea Peoples are completely absent from mythology and early contemporary records and history. REALLY strange.
Augustson Seventy if you have gone would you shoot me a link to it here if it’s online? I’m always interested in reading different viewpoints on the subject and who knows ;) we could have a potential guest!
completely absent is a rather broad claim given the low probability of the survival of ancient records. Some people tend to think absence in written record = non-existent when they really don't understand how much we have lost to time or have yet to discover.
I don't think they are absent from mythology. I think homer describes the beginning of the bronze age collapse. In the Illiad the Mycenaean coalition is conquering pillaging and burning all over the Mediterranean while laying seige to troy. They even describe rading Egypt.
I was watching the Star Trek TNG episode about the Iconians the other day, when it hit me. The Iconians are basically the Space Sea People, blew my mind lol
Great to hear Dr. fred Woudhuizen .. would love to hear more from him. His books are quite expensive and not yet filtered into the mainstream, so well done and thank you for bringing him in and giving out the link to his paper on the sea peoples.i just downloaded the pdf and look forwards to reading through it.
That drum in the beginning got me so hyped up that I kinda wanted to go and sack Egypt with a bunch of my aquatic warriors. 😂
My hubby keeps rewinding back to the drums so it takes forever to get to the pgm lol
Bro, I'm totally in. I've got some hopalyte armor and a sword my grandfather used to behead a dwarf (so it's enchanted) lemme know when we roll.
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Or go safari hunting with some giant caliber break barrel single-shot rifle and the little jumpsuit with shorts black boots and safari hat and a skinny Ethiopian guide named Mbala
@@mikemurphy5898 that wasn't a dwarf... And Gary Coleman will haunt you forever now
What are your thoughts on this episode which touches on a variety of topics relating to the Sea Peoples and especially their ethnicity? Special thanks to Dr. Woudhuizen for taking the time to talk with us, we will be having on in the future along with many others to discuss the subjects that they love!
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I have been waiting for this. Not gonna bullshit you. You wouldn't happen to know the ethno-linguistic group the Luwians belonged to do you?
Thank you for bringig this incredible scholar to us, love the topic, I've been dying to know info on this subject gor a long time.
Lots of interesting tidbits that really add more texture to the whole context of what was going on during that period and other periods. Probably have to rewatch it 2 or 3 times. Some nice gems of information. I am a huge fan of "context" and you guys touch upon a good bit of different subjects. The area of presentation where I found my mind sorta trying to piece things together was the concept of Italic people occupying central and eastern Europe and also the Italian area. Then them being pushed down into just Italy proper by the Celts/Gauls.etc ... I was imaging how Rome itself was a reactionary expansion of italic people pushing back against the Celts/Gauls there. But then there is the whole Etruscan side of things, them being a colony from the Western Annantolia area. Basically, the Etruscans possibly helping the Italic get technologically advanced enough to be not only able to fight back against the Gauls/celts but to eventually beat them so bad to make them virtually militarily extinct from mainland Europe. (Germanic tribes obv. coming down from the north and maybe the east also had success against the Gauls/Celts, and who the hell knows who else pressured them from the east, Scythians/Sarmatians etc... lol)
Very interesting; modern palestinian DNA shows evidence of Cretian migration, the sea peoples... this is fascinating.
The connection with the phoenicians and their maritime empire is an incredible insight. Phoenician and hebrew is essentially the same language, so sea peoples to palestine>interact with locals, adopt language, and extend their seafaring knowledge which leads to a reverse migration later on. Amazing
**knock, knock**
"Who's there?"
"Sea people."
"Sea people who?"
"See people die as we sack your cities!"
I would have sodomised and then killed with boiling tar any Sea people warrior I got my hands on.
the Sea People's whom are those warriors that was a configuration of tribes that where off the cost of ashdod or maybe they made there ship's from the cedar of lebanon . look at the cost line look at Israel maybe the tribes of israel
Well they we're coloners from Italic peninsula so a bunch of girls that look like Valentina Nappi moving next door don't seem so horrid.
hahaha!
4 people don't understand "knock, knock" jokes.
@@adamrodaway1074 ha ha see people die when the sea people are around.
Always love it when an academic says "Of course I studied Luvian."
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I would like to start an in depth conversation about chariot combat. First, chariortiers were highly mobile, like mechanized infantry of today. This means they could avoid engagement until they sought confrontation. They could skirmish at will and re-engaged as it suited them. If the sea peoples were on foot it means they were extremely vulnerable to this time tested and true combat tactic. Second, this was the bronze age, meaning chariotiers would be protected with bronze armor, which had been completely effective in securing their protection from foot soldier combat temporally up until contact with the sea people.
In short, my inquiry is how the sea people countered the chariot combat so well, which nobody had been successful at until then. Its not like nobody had tried before them. Furthermore as the Doctor states is that that the sea people were mariners first, land combat was not their expertise.
Did they revolutionize military doctrine? Did they have iron slugs for slingers? If so how did they field and mobilize such highly skilled infantry in strategic deployment? Maybe a combination of both of these. Moreover is how they got the chariotiers to stay engaged once they realized their tactics had been compromised. Mobility in combat it king, a trump card which all of a sudden turns up ineffective as soon as the sea peoples arrive. That is some kind of strange if you ask me!!!
King David See the work by Dr Drews of Vanderbilt; he emphasized military tech as an advantage. My best guess, and it is only that, is they killed the horses, thus nullifying or reducing their effectiveness.
The use of steel in weapons was associated with the Sea Peoples. Early users compared to the bronze-using old nations they invaded at the time.
@Bob - I recall seeing it mentioned in a doc or college lecture years ago. It's probably not much of a leap regarding the Sea Peoples bringing iron age weapons (i.e. steel) with them because the eastern med nations had been using bronze for a long time. Then, all of a sudden, the Philistines (the 'Peleset' of the Sea Peoples) take their slice of land and are mentioned as having iron arms.
That might also suggest the Sea Peoples' invasion may have introduced the Iron Age to the Eastern Med. Arms races, after all, tend to create widespread leaps in technology.
Iron is one thing, steel is another and came later. Early iron was inferior to well made bronze. Iron was readily available, but used much fuel. I've read on this topic, The Collapse, for over 16 years and still feel thick as a brick on the topic.
@Bob Egyptian sources on the "Hyksos" my mane
Fantastic! Such a great channel. Big ups, Nick.
Do you have any videos of the celts? I coouldn't find any, but I'd love to hear all that you've learned about the celts. It would be great to have Barry Cuneliff in a live interview like this. The live interview adds a nice touch.
You mentioned Barry Cuneliff. Have you seen this lecture? th-cam.com/video/G8FM9nMFbfI/w-d-xo.html
Alec Payne See Michael Tsarion’s writing and videos. He has a theory that the Ireland was the origin of civilization.
murdered yea. Which technically makes us gods people And disproves the west as edom.
@sciphynuts i had no idea about this! Thankyou, im also intrested in languages n dabble sometimes
The Philistine prohibition against the use of iron by the ancient Israelites comes from 1 Samuel 13:19.
Absolutely fascinating - love this subject - great interview! 😝👍
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The Sea Peoples were a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200-900 BCE).
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Holy moly, nick! I just saw you in Forbes. I've been watching you for years brother. It was so awesome to discover that article. Congratulations
I have done some casual reading on this. I cannot remember the source, but apparently there is considerable archaeological evidence of early syncretistic religion that combined Yahweh worship with either Canaanite or Philistine religion (or both).
One problem with this theory, at the time there was an almost international/global trade aspect to the bronze age civilizations, yet the sea people invaders were unknown to the great empires of the time. It is implausible that they were native to the mediterranean region , not impossible, but highly unlikely.
thomas mackey .... the Egyptians named them, with existing names....
Its possible the Egyptians learned of their name after defeating them and asking them?
@@sumlatinkid No. There are Egyptian references to many of these peoples at least a century before combating them.
My question is whether the sea people were predominantly iron bearing people? Because if that’s the case, that would account for their secret to success without knowing anything about the laws of attraction. And then the other questions that begs to be answered, is whether the Dorians are contemporaneous with these sea peoples. Were they iron-bearing? was this a matter of northern Iron coming down upon and handily defeating
southern bronze? Like somebody got the idea it into his head like “I know what we can do. Now that we have iron, what do you say we head on down to the Mediterranean? Because that would be a nifty distinction and easy to remember.
Nick, what is the music that you used in the introduction?
Thank you for the excellent interview with Dr. Woudhuizen.
Thank God for guys like you, because guys like me wouldn't know anything
Pale faces get this, the sea people were of black stock, and the so-called Israelites which were black people called Hebrew. These two pale faces set up here and lie. Especially this white Jew boy with this European dialect
@@donaldrandle8733 Haha, bless! Never change!
I googled dr. Woudhuizen right away, only to find out he passed away right next to my home town.
This was a great video! This too is one of my favorite mysteries in history, the Sea Peoples! The only thing I wonder though is where the Philistines(Peleset) came from exactly? Were they from the ancient Phelasgians? Who knows? But this video was still kool!
Actually through reasearches conducted on the Phillistine DNA it higly matches the ancient Greek DNA
@@georgegkagka1773 yes I seen that. But what I mean is exactly what Greek Tribe they came from?
@@aaronmoreno8918 We are not exactly certain about it. They could be Minoans since Minoans were travellers
Travelers hm🤔Crete means the one who is moving all the time .
@@vesnanuspahic7510 In what language
@16:30 Actually the Jews had armor, and Saul's was offered to David to use, but David said it was too big, didnt fit. Interestingly they didnt look for a set that fit. It could be Saul had one of the only sets.
Joe Touchette it doesn’t mean that it was made of iron but realistically bronze.
Philistines are related to pelsets who are Greek pirates from the southern part of Crete I watched an episode on Minoans where mr nick barksdale discusses with a known anthropologist and historian dr Louise hitchcock on his channel on how the Minoans feared pirates living on the southeastern island of Crete.
For everyone who's wondering, because no question is a stupid question, history requires the invention of writing, since history is the study of documents and inscriptions. Therefore, "pre-history" or "proto-history" refers to the entire period of the human past before we had writing, so roughly 3500 BCE and before. Pre-history would be the lengthy period of human existence before writing, proto-history refers to the period in and around the invention of writing, so shortly before. Okeeee
Please include maps, it will make easier to follow the conversation.
thank you.
Very interesting documentary about a fascinating and decisive moment of the Antiquity.
It should be very interesting a documentary about those civilizations that originated the Sea People, like the ancient Sardinian Civilization or the Etruscan Civilization.
Amazing videos!!!
Dr. W is brilliant
The Lewians were the ones who wrote that song Lewi Lewi. Of that there can be little doubt
I like the music in the beginning. What is it and who is the composer?
What are the info sources that make us aware of these 'sea people' today in the first place?
Ancient Neighbors who show up uninvited 1.Sea Peoples 2.Amorites 3.Elamites
And assyrites amirites? 😸
And Hebrews.
4. Vikings, 5. Jews, 6. Europeans across the globe, etc.
why you no put up maps of places you talk about? it's a video, you can do it.
Buried Axblade all the maps are available on google. That being said this was more of an interview rather than a lecture. Had it been a lecture I would definitely include the maps.
Lycian were named as one of the tribes of the Sea Peoples. The Egyptian used the name Lukka and the Lycian were called by the Greeks (pronounced “Lu-key-a”) and still the Turks call them and the region (pronounced “Lick-e-a”)
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick ...................."Sheklesh"
When you see "y" in ancient names (or modern renderings of them) that means /u/ or maybe /ü/. That's why Libu>Libya, Assur>Assyria and Lukka>Lycia, among others.
@Jeremy Kirkpatrick - SheKElesh, from "shekel" probably.
Actually it’s š3krš3, Egyptian is like an abjad, the vowels are interpolations by egyptologists and NOT based on how the word was pronounced.
Old Egyptian didn’t have E so egyptologists decided to insert E everywhere that a vowel might exist. Also the ayin is omitted because it doesn’t exist in the Latin alphabet. In short Latin transliterations are rubbish and the “Shekelesh” (or shoklash? Shuklash? Shakolsh?) have nothing to do with shekels whatsoever.
LUKA is HARBOR 😬
Trace connected to Troy! That’s might explain a lot.
I personally believe that the Sea people invasions was simply revenge for sacking Troy..
Story says that after fall of Troy, Aeneas and some survivors fled to Italy..I think that he from there made coalitions with different tribes from Sicily, Sardinia but also from west and central Europe..
I believe that weapons for them was made around Hallstatt and that the ships were made in Adriatic sea..
I know that's too many "I believe",but I really believe that:)
Capitol city of Bulgaria in ancient time vas Sardi-ka ,Sardi region was in Anatolia and we have Sardi-nia 😁
@@BalkanCrusader Yes, maybe a similar scenario, only not certain if chronology mach, Besides Sea people main target was Egypt and their allies, while Troy’s enemies were Hellenistic kingdoms. But Who knows forth crusade ended up in the Balkans instead of the holy land, amazing.
@@vesislavdyulgerov4005 I wouldn't say only Hellenistic kingdoms..
People from Africa,Asia and Europe were involved in a Trojan war,so it was a much bigger clash than we think..
@@vesislavdyulgerov4005 To be honest, troy was very hellenic but had other issues other than the famous war.
Jason and the argonaughts might very well have a parallel to the whole sea peoples. Greeks were much bigger than greece.
The sea people could be a unison of raja raja cholan of the maurya empire of southern India. The Vedic texts speak of the common thread between Tamil and Egyptian faiths specifically the polytheism. The cholan empire was the strongest navy in all of the oceans at one point. Them reaching the mouth of the Nile is extremely easy based on geography/topography. Tamil is the oldest language in history for a reason !
Lol no. It’s very clear they were mediterranean European pirates
Good shell. It may be hard to believe for some but the Bible especially the Old Testament is a very accurate account of ancient History !
No it isn't. You need to provide proof of that.
And by proof, I don't mean some vague quote that may or may not be referring to a particular event.
Homer's Trojan War happened before 1250 BCE without the Greeks seizing Troy, just as the Iliad describes. It was inconclusive and the Greeks went home when strife in their homelands demanded it. (This is the story of the Odyssey) Troy's walls were destroyed by earthquake some time later, maybe 1 generation. (A horse is the symbol of Poseidon, god of earthquakes.) However, the war with the Hittites and the raids of the Sea People were around 1190 BCE, a good 50-60 years after the Trojan War. I believe the Luwians allied with the Greeks at this time, to liberate Cyprus from Hittite control and attack their allies, the Egyptians. This explains the spread of tribes mentioned by the Egyptians. It also explains why so many Greeks were living on the Luwian coast by the end of dark age: Because the Luwians and the Ionians Greeks were ultimately allies. It also explains why the Iliad includes both Luwian and Greek hero songs: Because during the sea raids, those bards were in the same camp, and so fused their songs together (long before Homer).
With the assertion that the Philistines are settlers of the sea people’s population and that they possessed Iron weaponry, there can be two inferences drawn the first is a possible historic gap during which. They importedIron weapons the other is that they were able to bring this technology with them from their point of origin.
The second would place the origin of Iron smelting from somewhere to the West of Mycenae. That would leave either southern. Gaul or Iberia.
It would be unlikely that Iron was from anywhere in Britain as three of their biggest trading commodities were Copper, Tin and Bronze. It would. Have. Been. Self destructive to that trade if while iron smelting is known from a much later date, there has been no evidence of any kind of transition mingling of the three metals.
David and Goliath was a one-sided fight. However, it was Goliath that stood no chance. David was an expert slinger, which the Bible tells us and if you believe in God, he had God on his side. So what chance did Goliath really have?
A bunch of people arriving from the sea...Didn't the same thing happen to Lindisfarne?
Slow down with your excitement, I'm about to burst your bubble. Now think about it of course they "weren't allowed" to have iron weapons - it was the bronze age. Smelting iron was a very difficult process and you need extremely high temperatures so you need lots of wood ie trees too, the expense and effort to get iron was so technologically advanced and complicated that it was extremely rare so you'll find due to the sheet expense of it, any bronze age iron such as the dagger in Tutankhaun tomb was reserved for the extremely elite class. Your excitement is commendable and I'm sure contagious so its essential you slow down and think things through so you don't spread misinformation :)
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everyone that comes across ancient accounting records kinda blow them off, when Google drools over every scrap, of every transaction; they could tell ya bout the ink that printed your receipt. I hope all these receipts are going into a database somewhere, cause it'll eventually tell us more bout people than anything. Follow the money, or clams, or whatever it may have been.
take accountants being run outta work by AI n turn em into archeologists.
who would then b run outta work by AI
Could we see the Sea Peoples as a pirate confederacy that followed sea routes to their origins?
I find very interesting the claim about the origin in modern day Turkey of the Etruscans (that claim is as old as Herodotus) but since they spoke a non Anatolian language. How did they arrive to Anatolia?
Obsolete.
@@Phaedon53 What is obsolete? The hypothesis of the Eastern Mediterranean origin of the Etruscans? Of course I don't know if that's true, simply I was surprised when I heard that claim to Woudhiizen
@@CanalCursoMLearning
The Turkish origins theory is obsolete.
And Herodotus never wrote such thing.
How could he ? The were no Turks there till almost 2000 years later.
If there were Turks anywhere at all.
@@Phaedon53 I never mentioned the Turks, but Herodotus definetely claimed the origin of the Etruscans was in Lydia (modern day Turkey) and Woudhuizen thinks the same (I know other claim a local origin of the Etruscans in Italy, but Woudhuizen doesn't)
@@CanalCursoMLearning what has Lydia to do with turks? Turks came to Anatolia around 1000 years ago.
Some of those ENFs ended up North in Scandinavia, So, at least some decendents became Vikings!!!
I personally think they were Germanic peoples or ancestors of them
I just creamed my pants so much watching that interview that I tried subscribing again lol
Great video so they were a multitude of peoples
What verse in the Bible says that Israel is not allowed to have iron ?
Fantastic
How many times the host doest know 🤔
What about Pontian (in Greek Sea) people Doctor? We as descendants of Pontian people have not deserved your attention?
Χαῖρε Μεζιρίδης. The pontian Greeks are later inhabitants of the region, and they appear much later than the collapse, during the colonization of the black sea, this time from post-Homeric Greeks.
@@christopherneufelt8971 Pontian Greeks are only existing Sea people in the History, our Professor.Dr.Dr.Dr. could search for not existent Nubian or Egyptian (or even Celtic) Sea people(and even make a dissertation on the theme, but matter fact is that only we Pontians are bearing name of Sea people.
Damascus is the city of steel war Maker the blade as it is copper steel and cast iron it is the likeness of crucible steel as swift as a two edge sword the edge Sharp the blade swift as a strike of the viper.
Romans were a good part Etruscan, broke from their brothers and raided a native village(Sabine). Eastern Neolithic Farmers came from Anatolia, other words CAUCASION type people. Interesting ain't it.
We need a modern day sea people.
The Royal Scots are one of our best and oldest military regiments. The Royal Scyths.. the Royal Scots.. just one more linguistic connection.
He did not give an cogent answer to who the people were. What did they look like.. if we were to see them today who would we say they look like?? He said Greek. It’s painting wit black Greeks so please give simple answers for us simple people
Second part: And the "Chronicles of the Chaldean Kings" - in contrast to the mystical mystery of Ceram - proves that: "In the spring of his first full year of reign (604. BC) Nebuchadnezzar called out his army for an expedition to Syria where for six months they marched about unopposed.During this time the heads of the various small states of Syria and Palestine, which in this time are included in the term MAT-HATTI (Empire of the Hittites) were forced to submit to the Babylonian rule and to bring in their tribute. " These contemporary written documents thus speak of the COUNTRY OF THE BELIEFS even in 604 B.C. Today's "historians" do not deserve this undoubted evidence, but in biblical tales accept the kingdom of Israel as a Jewish empire.
But the author of these lines also reviewed all the writings that could be made during the time of David and his biblical "dynasty." Babylonian or Syrian linguistic monuments ...?
In contrast, man has found source material such as e.g. the publication of the "Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund" - "OUR WORK IN PALESTINE" (Toronto, 1873), in which the author - Captain Warren - at excavations of Solomon's Temple - found fragments of "Phoenician" vessels showing the "Royal Eagle." Sir Woolley proves similar vessels in the pottery of the indigenous Hurrite Khirbet Kerak people.
So when one wants to identify the name and god-ideological ideology of the Palestinian indigenous people HURRITA-SUBAR-HITTITA with the Jewish people and empire, consider warning this book as the author says that:
"What we know about Palestine on a religious basis is advisable to treat with the utmost caution, as it has been brought to the public consciousness solely on an emotional basis and not through scientific inquiry."
It is this caution that shows us - through logical conclusions - the truth. For if all the Assyrian kings who perpetuate their military and domination achievements, victories, and conquests do not write and do not write about the "deportation of Israelites," or even about Israel's people or country, then the biblical writings in this regard are truly "story."
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Thank you for the very fine interview that answered a lot of questions for me!
Etruscans are neo-Trojans. Troy fell circa 950bc (not 1200bc which is a popular date). So a large number of Trojans ended up in Northern Italy. This group of Trojans became known as Etruscans, who sponsored Rome and were then conquered by Rome.
Roman history claims they descended from the Trojans who fled there after the Greek coalition sacked it.
Do you know who are the modern people of the sea people and where have they been settled?!
its in the vid.. Sicily, Greece, Italy, Palestine.. etc
Alba longa.. vrs early rome.. circa.. 800bc.. Alba? Alba... thats the early name of scotland.. albion.. these islands.
My understanding is that Albion has a pre Scots origin from earlier Pictish era.
@@andybarry3435 That was my understanding also but its interesting to find the name in pre Rome Italy. The reality is that i dont know. It could just be coincidence.
@@gargarbraigh9737 An insightful read which may elucidate www.causewaycoastalroute.com/picts.html
There is a rural town in Oklahoma named Albion, not too far from a huge rune stone. Aprox. 2-3 hours s/e from Tulsa.
What does DNA say. R there early Philistine graves. I know there r sea people graves in Crete. There culture and DNA comes from epirus north west Greeks. They exploded during bronze age collapse. Just like a Dorian invasion. Also the great Greek migrations been redated to 1150 bc.
Very sad you don't tie up the Phoenicians with the tribe of Asher Israel
Wait, so he uses the Bible as a source for saying that the Israelites were banned from having iron weapons, totally disregards everything the Bible said prior to that?
are there any sea peoples iron weapon are now that would give an indication to where their weapons came from, these areas except northern italy(minion) elba had iron ore, spain rhine and england,
with 20 to 60 per cent similarity to DNA from ancient skeletons from Crete and Iberia and that from modern people living in Sardinia."wikipedia
🤤 Sooo good!
Nice lecture.Thanks. The dutsh texting is funny.
So these guys were like South Us Marine Vikings
These guys would make T.P. out of U.S. Marines
27:05 urnfield people-, so the ancestors of germanics started sea people organization.? or were those people recruited by mediterranean kings like ceus.. because as the sea peoples consisted of many different peoples, it sounds Rome's tactique of mercenaring opponents with anyone they can recruit/ force to fight their wars.
in the other hand, those peoples could've been 'cousins' of each other, which now just seems like different peoples as we are divided into countries and think like that… intesesting video all together!
Europeans are Japhethites.
@@King-xr9lx so Japheth was a son of Noa's? Then it's possible :D we don't have our ancestry known here anymore after Church started keeping track instead of letting us keep our oral tradition. But there is one Song, Ukko Nooa, that says grandfather (/old man) Nooa was a good man. So, it's possible we're related, or we're just honoring him for some other reason.
Thanks for the comment, I never got notified by YT, but luckily came back here to try to find out a bit of information. :)
The tribe of Dan is a perfect candidate
Yeah, because using a single book to interpret every bit of history ever is a really good idea...
Didn't exist yet . 3 to 4 hundred years before earliest biblical records claim settlements in region. About 200 years before earliest claims of Hebrew exodus period. And 6 to 7 before the false narrative of lost tribes by assyria invasion. Tribes didn't get removed but did integrate with conquering peoples but were wrote off by returning Babylonian priests a century later not wanting to share power or their new occult practices picked up I. Babylon. 1 st major re write of the books that make up Torah.
You just dont make any sense whatsoever.What do you mean they didnt exist yet?The Exodus was in the 13th century BC.The tribe of Dan took off in their ships...they were a sea faring people at about that time.
@@garyhouston113 the 13th century bce is based on misinterpretation of ramesses being the pharaoh. Egypt held dominance over the region til 1150
Bce. By 1100 much of the area was desolate except the coastal cities. The bible is clear that that the Hebrews never had access to the coast until the maccabees.
I'd like a citation as to where in the Torah the Jews are forbidden iron weapons?
It is in The Book of Kings. The Philistines would take farming tools of iron from them, as they were afraid they would make weapons from them.
how was identified Arzawa, has anybody an idea ??
the Tuatha De Danann? Are the Dal Glas. Connor.. Connoly.. Dal glas. Glasgow.
I just want to say to the archaeologists and historians in this video and others like it, thank you. Our country would be a much better place if you guys were the real celebrities. Forget Jay z and Beyonce I want to hear about the see peoples, the bronze age, and ancient Assyria!
In Malay Archipelago, there have Sea Peoples. They evolve and civilize then become Malay peoples. In ancient time, the Sea People invade and pirated some ancient civilizations in South East Asia Mainland and other islands. They were describe as black peoples (not negro). In ancient times, they were called Kunlun. In early AD century, the Greek/Egypt geographer called Malay Peninsula as Maleu-kolon. Maybe there have a relation to ancient sea peoples in Mediterranean. Until today, there no historian and anthropologist that can relate this to ancient sea peoples in Mediterranean.
Sea peoples = Urnfielders, look at the sunbird ships, same as the symbolism on the cremating urns
Is it me or does the story of the sea people sound so similar to the story of Moses splitting the Red Sea and walking through it joint with millions of Hebrew refugees?
I'm Going to reiterate. In my considered, educated in a Scottish University, Scottish enlightenment opinion, the Scots are descended from one of the Scythian(or maybe Thracian(same thing)) tribes. The Greeks called the Royal Scythians of the Pontic steppe the Scoliti.. The Romans of 350AD in Britain called the raiders of the west coast the Scoti. so 500 bc greeks.. Scoliti.. the Romans of 350AD.. the Scoti.. Scottish history says we came from the Pontic steppe and via the Holy land and Spain, arrived on the Irish coast with the stone of destiny and then became the Scots, which with the Picts, created Scotland. i would argue further that the Dan in the Egyptian inscription of the sea peoples are the same Dannan that landed on the Irish coast with the stone of destiny. This is the tribe that become the Scots and went on to create the biggest naval empire the world had ever seen. With the English obviously. Much respect to the English.
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Wonderful interview if not for the intermittent american logorrhoea
if i had a dollar for every time this guy says 'actually' i would be loaded lol
Tribe of Dan (sea goat)- Asher (merman) - Gad (mermaiden) - Reuben (crab) - Naphtali (fishes) - Levi (Leviathan)
The findings from the Philistine cities show how Aegean styled cooking wear along with native cooking wear in each house, which realistically it is hard to imagine the Aegean men with their families peacefully sharing a native man with his family's house. I imagine that perhaps in some cases where men survived they moved in with widowed women from their raids and likewise widowed Aegean women moved in with surviving native families. However given the initial dominance of the Aegean culture one would tend to the former likely ratios. These theories of women of two different cultural origins sharing living arrangements could explain why they make these diverse pottery findings (btw, the Aegean pottery styles having been made from local clays)
Excellent discussion. But the elephant in the room that was only briefly touched upon, if at all, in the discussion: What prompted the "Sea Peoples" desperate all-out-attack-plus-migration south and east?
electric universe?
@@FlyingAxblade_D20 Excellent. Thanks.
A profoundly interesting topic, and my thanks to the professor. I wonder how this coalition of at least nine diverse ethnicities came together and functioned during their tour of the Eastern Med. As I read the Egyptian accounts, it sounds like Rameses managed to drive a wedge between them, for example the "settling" of some in a couple of different places. Certainly we are left with a picture of very complex realtionships on all sides at the time of the collapse.
From what I can source on wiki, he
certainly doesn't hold a professor's seat anywhere and hasn't impressed a book publisher enough to commit his ideas to print.
Sounds a bit dodgy to me.
@@michaelbedford8017 he’s an independent researcher, and has been on a number of dig teams. He’s had papers published in journals. Just because he’s not a professor doesn’t mean he’s not credible.
Not just interesting, downright fascinatingly astounding! Keep up the great work. His accent was a bit hard combined with unfamiliar names, perhaps an overlay of some of the spelling of these races and places could help(or perhaps in the description).
*Yes! An overlay would have been divine*
Dutch??
Dutch??
@@marybeavon6580 Yes, very much Dutch ;-)
Phoenicia bloomed actually, you can’t specialize in Mediterranean history without recognizing Phoenician..
Who isn*t recognising Phoenicians???
Peleset(from Kaphtor?) -> Philistine -> Phoenicians
@@carmenfernandez5396 This is the official point of view. How then are they related to the former minoan thalasocracy? Minoans also worship the Mother Godess, sacrificed young people, the minoan script havily influenced the phoenicians' alphabet, they also dye their clothes in purple, etc. Plus, it is well known that philistines come from Caphtor and share some common territories with Phoenicia.
@@carmenfernandez5396 You should know I trully apreciate you experience and effort you made to correct my opinions. I am indebt to Hegel, maybe, for a revolute way of imaging history. I am an idealist who sees in the pirate ship mast the canaanite tree godess Asherah, worshiped by dozens of ancient phoenician mariners in different ways... I don't believe in absolute truth or good especially in social sciences, and for no reason I could accept that the past is lost forever. Because I simply know that the trojan horse was merely a small ship with offers to the gods, that the huns where mainly an indo-iranian people preeceded by scythians and followed by slavic peoples, that there is no one greek people but only one koine lingua franca and the most 'greek' philosophers were born in Asia Minor (being in fact lydians thus being living remnants of the luvian civilization) or Itally. I know too many such things to keep my mouth shut, this is my problem!
Those the came by sea were Greeks. Not only that, but we know the name of one of them: Odysseus. He described the failed raid on Egypt in Odyssey.
„But my comrades, yielding to wantonness, and led on by their own might, straightway set about wasting the fair fields of the men of Egypt; and they carried off the women and little children, and slew the men; and the cry came quickly to the city. Then, hearing the shouting, the people came forth at break of day, and the whole plain was filled with footmen, and chariots and the flashing of bronze. But Zeus who hurls the thunderbolt cast an evil panic upon my comrades, and none had the courage to hold his ground and face the foe; for evil surrounded us on every side. So then they slew many of us with the sharp bronze, and others they led up to their city alive, to work for them perforce.”
Thank you !Greeks and some neighbours .
What timing. I'm reading his paper with the same title right now. Can't wait to listen.
Let me know your thoughts! We had technical difficulties and had to wing it but I was excited and pleased nonetheless. Similar episodes coming!
I so much wish you also had a full on interview on all the different “Luwian” people’s, the Caunians, the Carians, the Lycians, it’s all quite remarkable... I want to know if the Minoans spoke a language related to Luwian languages or not too...
I believe their is evidence in place names for Luwian migration into Britain.
There is another video in this series where someone talks about the decipherment of Minoan Linear A from a Hungarian professor. I would look up that one to answer your question about the Minoan language.
No they did not speak a related language to the Minoans. Luwian language was indo European while minoan is a language isolate as far as we know but we know very little on the minoan language because Linear A still hasn’t been deciphered. To me though I personally think the minoans were related to the Etruscans.
@@meep3035 well if that the set height of the bar then I'd toss the so-called Sumerians into the mix as being their ancestors.
I found this fascinating especially comments linking Sea Peoples to Central Europe. Also liked the discussion possibly linking Sea Peoples with Philistines. I've heard suggestions in the past related to Phoenicians. Very impressed with Dr. Woudhuizen's presentation.
Thank you. I liked and subscribed.
The Phoenicians were traders. My bets on Philistines-canaanites-khazars.
@@edstar83 Phoenicians were Bania from western india. Bani is a cognate of proto-indo-european word Vanijya and it literally means trade and commerce. Bania literally means trader. Spread of the western indian lineage of black rats via trader ships through europe has confirmed these events.
That doctor has maybe the coolest sounding last name I've ever heard.
Hold my beer
Love the intro beats and trumpets lol.
Congratulations for this channel, it's awesome!
I have a question, for those who are familiar with Mycenaean culture and language.
There were two social groups in Mycenaean society that were called "equeta" and "tereta", probably part of the aristocracy.
I cannot help but notice the similarity with two names of the Sea Peoples: "Ekwesh" and "Teresh". Is there any link? Is it possible that those "peoples" were actually disenfranchised members of the palacial aristocracy that turned to piracy, or something like that?
Thanks for commenting Stefano and for enjoying the channel! These questions are brilliant and as a novice I agree with you but the Doctors I interview would be more qualified to handle this question. You make great points, if we look at Celtic tribal names many of them seem to rhyme as well but then we have the question as to whether or not they called themselves these names of if they were merely called these terms because that is what the "civilized world" thought they were called or wanted to call them. I ask myself the same question when looking at the Sea Peoples and that is if they called themselves these terms of if the Egyptians for example created them. But like I said, I am just a novice.
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thank you for your answer, Nick and thank you so much for what you are doing. Your channel is a goldmine of great insights for anybody interested in Ancient History... I can't sto watching them! Your guests are always great!
@@ReDhEnSkY this comment has truly made my day! Thank you! Means the world and I have more guests coming!
Equeta sounds like Equus, horse
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Alamania!
Hey SAMA. I read an interesting older paper about the so-called "Sea Peoples." It talked about how some of the names (translations) of them have been strongly influenced by preconceived ideas (because certain hieroglyphs in Egyptian have dual potential pronunciation. For example, 'R' can be 'L' because the Egyptians did not have a hieroglyph for 'L' and 'T' can sometimes be 'S'). Hence the Shekelesh (thought maybe to be Sicilians) is actually from Egyptian T.K.R. (if memory serves).
The Greeks remembered Troy but have nothing to say about the Sea Peoples or a Dark Age, which occured right at the same time. The Bible only says that Arameans became prominent at this time (corroborated by their diminishing the Middle Assyrian Empire) and that the Philistines gathered a multi-national force (as did one or two other local enemies of Israel).
At this period mythology bordered on the advent of writing and widespread literacy (c. 1050 - 850 B.C.). It's strange that such a major event as the Late Bronze Age collapse/Dark Age and the Sea Peoples are completely absent from mythology and early contemporary records and history. REALLY strange.
Augustson Seventy if you have gone would you shoot me a link to it here if it’s online? I’m always interested in reading different viewpoints on the subject and who knows ;) we could have a potential guest!
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 yep this is the link.
www.whowerethephoenicians.com/free-chapters/the-philistines-and-sea-people-not-the-same-entity/
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 it's an older paper I think the author may have passed away though
completely absent is a rather broad claim given the low probability of the survival of ancient records. Some people tend to think absence in written record = non-existent when they really don't understand how much we have lost to time or have yet to discover.
I don't think they are absent from mythology. I think homer describes the beginning of the bronze age collapse. In the Illiad the Mycenaean coalition is conquering pillaging and burning all over the Mediterranean while laying seige to troy. They even describe rading Egypt.
Love the musical prologue. 💖😎
I was watching the Star Trek TNG episode about the Iconians the other day, when it hit me. The Iconians are basically the Space Sea People, blew my mind lol
No, the Iconians would be one of or the entire collective civilization that gets wiped out, partially by the Sea Peoples.
Great to hear Dr. fred Woudhuizen .. would love to hear more from him. His books are quite expensive and not yet filtered into the mainstream, so well done and thank you for bringing him in and giving out the link to his paper on the sea peoples.i just downloaded the pdf and look forwards to reading through it.
He died of leukaemia aged 62 in 2021
As we continental Italians say: Don't mess with Sardinians...
I like it lol. Why is that? Im part Sardinian but dont know a whole lot about part of my my own heritage. Born and raised in Alaska
What is the name of the intro music? I want that. Also great video!
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Looking forward to the Cline talk!
BaltimoresBerzerker I’m doing everything I can to get him on, haha!
The Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages, he’s pushing a new book so there may be a window.
Great video each minut i learned something
Thanks to the doctor and you