What If We Had 1914 Borders In The Modern World
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Today we will explore a world where the borders of 1914 are restored in the modern world, exploring the populations and economies of the new nations. How do the relative GDP's change in this world, is the US still dominant? How strong is the reformed British empire? How do the reformed Central Powers and Entente compare?
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I love how Brazil, despite not changing, actually went up in the economic rankings because competitors were removed
that's impressive considering Brazil didn't get any land
@@ebanydwayne1357 its really not. Like he said The Uk canibalised both the Canadian and Indian Economies and The Japanese canibalised the South Korean one. All 4 were already in the top 10 or Top 5 so its easy to see, how Brazil would do well.
@@fawkewe why you gotta be like that
So we just gonna ignore Peru and ecuador
@juangarcia1207 these aren't mentioned?
Unifying nations based on culture groups or language groups could be extremely interesting, I would definitely recommend that idea!
Would Scandinavia become united or would they become part of a greater Germania? Would it be based on Germanic languages or nordic?
@@NBrixH scandinavians being seperate makes more sense as we're quite distinct from the germanics in central europe. It would also make sense to group slavic speaking people into South Slavs, Central Slavs and Eastern Slavs
what would that mean for england? what are they? Germanic? Latin? Norse?
*screams in Yugoslavian*
@@Kalleosini we'll just slot them into their own Anglo slot and everyone will be happy.
(Syria was calculated for the Ottomans, I just accidentally wrote it down for France)
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Can you do a what if Germany bought Königsberg/ Kaliningrad back in 1991/2
@POSSIBLE HISTORY. What if America went full manifest destiny.
Purchase of western Canada. after the American civil war.
Purchase and state hood of English Caribbean and English Belize and English Guyana after ww1.
Purchase of Greenland and Falkland islands. after ww2.
Annexation of northern Mexico. in WW1.
Full annexation and Commonwealth status of Spanish Caribbean after Spanish American war.
as kind of a part 3 to your what if Britain formed the Imperial Federation and European union in the 50's.
maybe a part 4 combining all 3 to what the differences would be Today.
@POSSIBLE HISTORY. What if America went full manifest destiny.
Purchase of western Canada. after the American civil war.
Purchase and state hood of English Caribbean and English Belize and English Guyana after ww1.
Purchase of Greenland and Falkland islands. after ww2.
Annexation of northern Mexico. in WW1.
Full annexation and Commonwealth status of Spanish Caribbean after Spanish American war.
as kind of a part 3 to your what if Britain formed the Imperial Federation and European union in the 50's.
maybe a part 4 combining all 3 to what the differences would be Today.
Idea: Overlay all of the borders of every known empire that we have maps of, then where two or more areas overlap create a new country. Think of how those new regions would work geographically and politically. I would watch that video.
i wonder how the EU would be doing in this timeline, basically just a global Hegemony
It wouldn't happen cause of rivalries
@@hotman_pt_its the modern world with different borders, the eu would probably still exist
@@ChanceKearns I believe it would break apart in an instant
@@hotman_pt_ probably
@Hotmen _pro_ Rivalries wouldn't carry over from 1914, so the EU and even NATO would still exist, they might be a little bit smaller due to Russsian influence being more prominent as they are much bigger but apart from that the world is the same
For future videos like this, it would be awesome if you started of with an uncolored map and filled it in as you went. With so many global empires having to share colors with minor nations they have no direct affiliation to, it becomes really hard to spot the parts of the map you're actually talking about.
A "What if we restore the 1790 borders" would be a great video too
Lmao I'm just here imagining PH trying to calculate the individual populations and GDP of the 100 gazillion HRE states and having a mental breakdown.
PH completely ignoring Africa because it would take almost as long as the HRE:
what if - 1772
HRE would be one polity
Anything before 1867 is impossible. The holy roman empire is impossible
Your videos are awesome! Suggestion: What if Austria won the brothers war?
We probably will never see united Germany as Austria preferred to had more minor states that are easily controlled to have a huge United German country, but it would be interesting to see video what if Germany united under Austria
@@secretname4190 an oversimplified outlook. If Austria unified all Germans it would be beaten in a pan-european effort against them within a year (kinda like revolutionary France but weaker). And that's not even including the reality check that the Hungarians would never allow to incorporate any Germans without compensation. The empire would fall into a civil war if it just annexed Bavaria, and one that the Germans probably wouldn't win.
@@secretname4190 excuse me? What do you mean they would "crush" the Hungarians? Are they just going to purge all of the hungarian landowning nobles preemptively, or wait for the nobles to proclaim their own king? And I would like to remind that Austrians have already needed to call on Russia for help to defeat a Hungarian revolt not even 20 year prior, as they weren't capable of doing that themselves.
@@secretname4190 However, i do agree it would need to be a slow process *if* all the stars aligned and it did actually happen. But that's out of character, Austria hasn't been interested in german domination since they lost their HRE.
@@secretname4190 valid point! But it still doesn't mean the unification is imminent, likely quite the opposite. I see a world with Prussia being brought back to the status of a regional power, losing Silesia, and perhaps having some changes in the government. Obviously it wouldn't unite Germany. But as for Austria... I just don't see them eating their cake and having it too. The biggest issue to me is that I don't see what political force in the country would want to include both Germany and Hungary in the empire. The Habsburgs would be in the most comfortable position they could dream of, having influence over every country from Denmark to Sicily, so why would they feel the need to get even more? Contrary to what you've said, Europe can not only coordinate a coalition, but is more willing to do so than ever before. Look at the Napoleonic wars, the Crimean war, and the Congress System allowing for coordinated foreign policies. Finally, in our timeline Austria was the great protector of the independence of smaller states and status quo. Taking a 180° change in this policy is equally as likely as them establishing a communist regime.
You made a little mistake : you counted Syria as a part of France population, but syria become a protectorat in 1920
Great video tho
@@tylerclayton6081 it's still a mistake.
he counted it for the ottomans, that was a editing mistake for france
Keep in mind that the fact ottoman GDP and population grow about the same is entirely because of Israel, which only contributed 9 million people but has 1/3 of the gdp of the new ottoman empire. Without it, the ottoman would follow pretty much the same trends as in Europe
Japan's colonialism was even worse than european one, yet their colonies (Korea and Taiwan) grew in wealth by almost 1000% in just 50 years.
It is not colonialism fault if those nations are not wealthy it is their own. Even if colonialism didnt occur they would likely still not be as wealthy as western nations.
They dont have the stability, drive and the vision to make a good plan and follow it to grow in welath.
@@mattia8327 It 100% is colonialism's fault lmao, not all colonies were the same, Korea and Taiwan were treated differently, than that of the African colonies held by Europe in Africa
Under Japan, while the colonial rule was still brutal, Koreans and Taiwanese were still treated much better than a Congoloese person under Leopold's rule lmao. Koreans were literally recruited as officers into the IJA and there was an entire group of Taiwanese indigenous peoples known as the "Takasago Volunteers" who served under the IJA.
@@bobjosefuerte7516Botswana is wealthier than most African countries because they chose to not be stuck in the past and antagonize the whites. Many colonized peoples would have preferred to life under colonial powers like the British over their corrupt and inept leaders that they have today.
@@mattia8327 "They dont have the stability, drive and the vision to make a good plan and follow it to grow in welath"
>despite the fact that they are increasingly growing in stability and wealth in the modern day after decades of dealing with the effects of civil war, political crisis, and many other issues
>despite the fact that European colonialism exploited and destroyed the continent by making arbitrary border lines and conflicts due to their presence and manipulation
>despite the fact that Africans were left uneducated and exploited due to European colonial governments rarely giving them any form of higher education and or skills, leading them to build their own unique systems and getting educated abroad
Colonialism is not the only thing at fault either. The Cold War did not help much in stabilizing Africa or as a matter of fact literally any post-colonial holding, and there are several other complicated reasons as to why things are the way they are. But you are denying one of the most basic facts, that Colonialism is one of the biggest reasons as to why Africa and a lot of other nations are the way they are lol.
Also, Turkey itself isn't that developed, it depends on the comparison material. And I guess some rich regions from oil countries (Koweit, cities from Saudi Arabia) are also a boost.
Please make more of these videos.
Could you please make a what if 1444 borders came into the modern day. Gotta get those paradox gamers somehow
I know that would be a whole lot more work, so just go with your best guesses
My country doesn't exist (well, technically it exist but at the time it was more like the Holy Roman Empire, a mess of different duchies with a king trying to keep everything together) and what was present was at war against England at the lowest time you can start an Europa Universalis IV game.
The year is 1444 in the Islamic calendar, so it would make a slight amount of sense
@@sirpixel7945 he said 1444 because that's the start of eu4
@@ZPheenix Yes, Islamic Eu4
@@sirpixel7945 eu4 came out in 2013
What if France was carved up after the Napoleonic Wars and everyone got a piece of France that would be interesting with Russia Prussia and Austria in their future coming Wars
So pretty much like Germany in World War II But they keep land ?
Could be an extremely interest scenario. Could see Britain trying to play prussia and Austria off each other to avoid them dominating the continent
The Second Napoleonic War electric bogaloo... But it depends at what time does France get carved up? If its after Napoleon abdicates then mostly likely Napoleon return like otl but more intense as the people of France would be in full support of Napoleon.
We would probably need to get the great powers not to fear eachother cause
Russia wanted a strong france to balance the uk and austria
Austria wanted a strong france to balance the uk russia and prussia
The uk just didn't want to deal with the continent anymore and france was really what allowed it cause france wanted to have some form of dominance in europe while the uk just wanted to focus on a thing called empire
Do it using Hoi4 AI peace deal logic and give Naples Brittany
You’re making the coolest alt history videos atm, keep up the great work!!
Here's a fun idea to calculate, what if modern day UK had every piece of territory they had ever owned. I.E. British Empire + North Sea Empire + Angevin Empire etc.. to just see how OP a country could possibly get
The North Sea Empire owned England, not the other way around...
@@Emanon... Technically the first kingdom it held was England, then Denmark then Norway. Thus it was an empire run by the king of England and therefore English territory
@@sh4dowveil749 "technically" doing all the heavy lifting here, don't you think?
While Cnut officially created the empire, it was already defacto created by his father Sweyn Forkbeard. He was king of Denmark before becoming king of Norway and England.
the British Empire is doing the heavy lifting here, unless if the Angevin Empire recursively included Louisiana and Algeria
@@Emanon... "Technically" is an amazing word, don't you think? Technically a hot dog is a sausage sandwich. It's bread, topped with various condiments (usually including ketchup) and sausage. Bread topped with a tomato based sauce and sausage also describes a pepperoni pizza. Therefore, technically speaking, pepperoni pizza is a type of sausage sandwich. Furthermore, by defining "sausage sandwich" as a subcategory of the hot dog instead of the other way around we can technically define pepperoni pizza as a type of hot dog.
The North Sea Empire, ruled by a Danish born Danish king with a capital in Denmark, is technically an extension of England since Knut technically gained the title of "King of England" before he could inherit the title "King of Denmark" from his brother. I love these types of logical fallacies, they make life more fun.
I dont know if this was a mistake but when you mention the Portuguese empire your missed, Guiné-Bissau, cape verde, são Tomé e princepe, east Timor and Macau.
These might not be extreamly relevant in terms of gdp, with the expection of macau, but its still more then 5 million people half of the current Portuguese population
And Goa in India.
HOW DARE YOU NOT MENTION THE ADDITION OF THE GREAT TANNU TUVA TO CHINA 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Okay nerd
I don't think I've seen a video like this before, well done
Here from VTH to show love and thank for the great video!
Poland: *Chuckles* I'm in danger
Glad I found your channel, will definitely subscribe
I’m happy for you 100k congrats🎉🎉
Very nice.
While really minor, I wouldve liked to see Denmark restored by having Iceland and the Danish West Indies restored to it. It wouldn't change much but still it would be nice to see.
Not only you're telling me that Denmark exists, but also had colonies?!?
@@Cigmacica IKR? Inconceivable!
Great Vid!
I learned some things that i didn't knew
I never realized that Rwanda and Burundi were part of german empire and not belgium before this war
Never looked closely into map
I always loved Germany’s 1914 borders in Europe
Poland is the most iconic
German detected
Failed Austrian art student?
I honestly think it looks cool
Can't disagree
Very interesting video!
What about the Chinese cities occupied by the great powers? i'm pretty sure big part of the Chinese economy is concentrated there.
they wont be able to keep them :(
And population
They only had small pieces of those cities. Not the whole city.
Epic video as always! My desire: What if sweden won the great northern war. Would be legendary!
Then I would be sad cause plc best country ever
this was super interesting to see
Here's a suggestion that hits closer to home
- What if the Netherlands kept the Moluccas and West Papua away from Indonesia (they can be independent or a part of the "Koninkrijk"), just that they aren't part of Indonesia
"We have covered all of the inportant nations"
Spain in pain in a corner
He said "1914" not "1614."
@@scipioafricanus5871 I like it how none of the major powers tried to pressure Spain into the war since they didn't matter.
I'm disappointed that you didn't mention how the loss of the Northern Mariana Islands cripples the United States and empowers Germany.
A striking blow to the heart of american civilization.
Really cool video. Don’t see much like this
Great idea for a video, brilliant!!!!
The 1914 map was god damn clean
Well it would finally settle the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Now nobody gets it!
Britain: we do a little (con)trolling
The Ottomans would control it?
Israel deserve to exist and for everyone's knowledge that no one wants to hear it's Israel's land not palestine's it wasn't even called Palestine the Romans give it the name after the Roman Jewish Wars
@@dominicadrean2160 🤓
@@dominicadrean2160 yeah, but in fairness, if you go back further it was part of Babylon and the nation of Babylon no longer exists. Just saying.
Nice video. Wish you couldve done the cube charts differently
Came here from VTH, great video!
The British Empire with an Indian Prime Minister, now that's a interesting thought.
🤔 sounds familiar
In an alternate world where tge UK elects someone with Indian heritage
Oh wait
have you checked the news? it already happened 😂
Wait…
@@TheSwedishHistorian never elected. Selected as temp. worker
Can you do a video on Richard the lionheart on what if he survived and live longer because that would have changed a lot of history if he survived and surprisingly there's not a single video alternate history scenario on Richard the lionheart at all even though with his life would have changed a lot of things
What an awesome concept
very interesting video thank you
Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture (2023) and this picture (1914)
South America: They're the same picture
Hate to point it out but the Dutch and British had colonies in modern day Suriname and Guyana respectively.
Bolivia Paraguay Ecuador and Peru had slightly different borders
Meanwhile an Italy:
Salvini: We earned oil, now we will be rich!
Salvini shortly after: Now the migrants arrive in fleets...
Nice video
What an OP Entente!
Franz Joseph I: You said something about a blank cheque?
Wilhelm II:
oh we would most definitely be excited for you to divide the world up into language groups and compare them... definietely do it leyered tho, so first would be small sub-families i.e. South Slavic, West Slavic, West Germanic, etc... then Slavic, Germanic, Latin, etc
doing the same with 1936 and 1836 borders would be interesting as well
Reminds me of Academia Cervena’s videos on changing borders
Cool idea
this video really goes to show the impact of european colonialism and how it has impacted the economic growth of nations
More like how africans cant get their shit together and blame it on colonialism.
South Korea and Taiwwan were completely destroyed by japan, their female population used as sex slaves and so much of their natural rsources extracted and used for the war economy.
Yet in just 50 years they grew by more than 10000% in GDP and 50% in population.
It takes stability, good education and a clear vision and plan to grow in wealth, the Africans, Indian subcontinent, malasia and indonesia just dont seem to be capable of.
Not really. It just shows one side is richer but that’s not necessarily due to colonialism.
British Empire returns, Rees-Mogg rejoices.
French Empire returns, much revolting ensues.
Russian Empire returns, much revolting ensues
Philippines becomes a territory of the US again
Turkey gets back the Ottoman Empire, much revolting ensues.
"Philippines becomes a territory of the US again"
Finally, 100 million people are finally cured of being Filipino
Do one that unites nations/administrative divisions by language into monolingual states, maybe language groups for areas with varied dialects
So cool!
There is one thing that I have to nitpick: you forgot to transfer part of Italy to Austria, which might be just enough to make Italy not gain, but lose overall GDP after the change. Northern Italy has a higher industrial value compared to southern Italy, though I don't know in my head if taking the lands formerly controlled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire would impact the GDP that much.
I think though that this is an oversight and should've been included in the video.
Also I’m not sure if he included Suriname into the Netherlands or Rwanda, and Burundi into Belgium
@@Solo-vh9fmRwanda and Burundi were part of German East Africa in 1914
I think language family nations compared would be cool.
amazing
The video was really cool but I did notice a minor mistake, on the map you had New Zealand in the British empire when in 1840 a treaty was signed that gave New Zealand independence and a its own government but due to a mistranslation they thought that they had ceded sovereignty when they hadn’t.
I'm impressed that the congo even increases the belgian economy by 9%, considering the state of the congo.
By 1914 the Congo wasn’t the nightmare fuel it was under the direct ownership of Leopold. Pretty shitty but not “holy fucking shit this place is literal hell on earth” level
@@sto1238 I'm not talking about leopold the second, I'm talking about the fact the congo is a country where the government has no control, it's all controlled by warlords and foreign governments armies.
So maybe do a video about what if Zapadoslavia, Nordics, Benelux, Koreas and East African Federation United?
Very interesting idea, could you also make this again except the map is from 1938, before Germany took any land from other countries? I'm sure it would be very very interesting.
Keep in mind that because the countries share the same market and reasources the gdp's of unifed countries suh as the uk will most likely be a lot larger
i dont think it would have saved the central powers, but for the 1917 comparison it probably would have been more fair to include the territories the central powers would have seized from russia.
i dont think it would have made things that much better for the central powers though
I like the face of Austria Hungary in the thumbnail
O_o
If you were to do a video like this one based in 1939 I would be all for it. Not that it matters too much though you would need to include Iceland into Denmark, like the vids
I am interested in videos like this
This is a weird way of expanding Britain's nuclear capacity.
grouping nations together is interesting but what about splitting them apart?
how far could we realistically break apart nations into smaller states and what could it mean for the political climate of each region and the world?
@@Fusion_4000 I take it you don't get the concept of the video you just watched?
@@Fusion_4000 then you didn't understand my comment.
Consider for a moment we turn back time to whenever the previous video was posted and someone wrote in the comments they would like to see a video about "what if we had 1914 borders today" and then you came in to reply to that comment saying "just look up a map of 1914, there you go champ wasn't so hard" do you see how unhelpful you are being in that scenario?
So even if I just wanted to see any country fractured, sure I could look up the HRE or Sengoku Jidai Japan, but I wanted everything cut to bits.
To see a map like that I could totally find that by just looking up each country's subdivisions. but that isn't going to tell me what sort of ramifications that would have for the modern geopolitical climate.
So you know, thank you but no thank you.
Very interestig video🎉 so next,This ww2 version plese!
13:10 Portugal was also in WW1... Since 1916.
My guess is that Italy and Belgium would see getting their old colonies back more as a curse than a blessing at this point.
Old borders + modern alliances + modern mindset
Even with modern mindset
I would not like to be living in India and being governed from Halfway across the world
@@prathamshrivastava1314 lmao
That's gonna be a strong Nato this time
@@onlyagermanguy Think about how unstable would it be
@@prathamshrivastava1314 Pretty. While i can't See Britain being able to actually keep their New Lands, but if they did it would be a much bigger threat then China
PH, are you still accepting viewer alt history scenarios (written out), and if so, what email would you like it sent to
When it comes to comparing economic power for war-making capacity, industrial production becomes very important. Yes GDP can be turned into manufacturing capacity, but it takes time. Secondly GDP, really should be looked at as GDP above subsistence. That's the actual surplus if you will, that can be made available for a war.
Now I wonder how global rankings would look like if West and East Germany would be different countries?
How far would West Germany drop in standing for population and economy?
Where would East Germany appear on the lists?
@Yora Western Germany would remain at the same place. Eastern Germany has about 1/4 of population of modern Germany and the gdp per capital is lower. But India would have a bigger economy in a very few years.
As a Filipino, considering how we will be retroceded to the US, I fully welcome the restoration of 1914 borders, if that means ending the curse of being Filipino
Most nationalist fillipino
one comparison missing from this video was seeing where these nations ranked during 1914.
Ethiopia: where did everyone go
Liberia: here we go again
You forgot to give Iceland back to Denmark
Can you do a what if Germany bought back Königsberg/ Kaliningrad in 1991/2
was that a real possibility?
Gorbatjsov himself mentioned it in the 90th if i remember it correctly ...there was a...but ...germany out of nato i think it was or no placing nukes on german soil but correct me if i am wrong
@@redacted_lol yes, as far as i know they offered it in return for German neutrality (out of NATO or no Nukes) and for dropping all the USSRs or Russias debt in German banks. Germany already was struggling with the integration of the DDR so they chose not to do it. It still would be a interesting what if scenario.
Can you do the same with the inter war borders?
Can you please make Weltreich history I will like this video!
Can you do a video on what if the 3 romanian principalities kept the union of Michael the brave alive?
No one:
Europe: *ITS TIME FOR AFRICA*
I'd love to read detailed political analysis of this geopolitical situation given that massive rivalries leading into outright distain and contempt could exist between the U.S. and the British leading to something like a 'Cold War' type status.
I would be interested in that, yes
I would like to see a version of this will all the Slavic countries and maybe the non-Scandinavian Germanic countries. Also maybe all Bantu speaking countries. Would just be a neat little idea to explore.
You forgot the European colonies/concessions within Cina. They look insignifficant on the map, but many of them are now major population and industrial centers of China.
Obviously the economy of scale effect and brought stability whould make GDP even bigger
I imagine the biggest thing would be the following economy changes if these sudden border changes were maintained for a centruy
I kind of want to see the same statistics as shown in this video but in ACTUAL 1914. I want to see how much more even the central powers were compared to the entente were back then. I know the central powers were still more or less on the back foot during the war but it would still be interesting.
So what you are saying is that we should implement this idea? I'd even give up Alsace-Lorraine for it (because I'll admit it, France looks weird without it😛).
Interesting video idea, but raw gdp is a very uninteresting metric for economical power
Definitely a similar video based on nationality would be cool
hear me out, 1815 borders in the modern world.
Personal opinion, a reformed Austro-Hungarian federation with todays global institution like EU 🇪🇺 or UN 🇺🇳 wouldn't break apart but it would have normal manageable indipendence movements like Spain 🇪🇸or UK 🇬🇧
yes doing a video like this for 1939 or 50 would be interesting
We should do a varna map to see G.D.Ps of nations and keeping inflastrucutre like Alba England Dublin and irish states Franks Normandy Holy Roman alot changes so i would reccomend that
Probably Minorities outnumbering Majorities
The GDP distribution for Germany makes not entirely sense.
If modern Germany makes up for 85% of the GDP and Alsace and the Polish Corridor together for 11% and the Colonies for 4%,
it would mean that all the former eastern German territories besides the Polish Corridor (East Prussia, Pommerania, Silesia), and the German territories which became Belgium and Denmark after WW1 wouldn't have any GDP at all
Silesia being one of the most industrialised regions of Europe at that time and only a bit after the Ruhrgebiet, the most industrialised be like:
Am i Joke to you
Great video! Just have one question: Is this nominal or PPP
I think its nominal for every country
Nominal.
China is $31T and India is $12T by PPP. The US is, for obvious reasons, unchanged at around $25T.
Now do a video where you show modern borders but in 1914