Very helpful. I shot with my R5 yesterday and was confounded trying to get into 4K 120p (turns out I just had to "enable" high frame rate)... being confounded doesn't go over well when you're running a set. I'm definitely going to use those custom presets. On a good note, the 4K HQ is incredible. I did notice that it is H.264 though and not H.265 and it played fine on my MacBook 16". I recall several vids saying it was H.265 4:2:2 and difficult to play back, so that had me a little confused. But it looked great.
Awesome! So the camera automatically shifts to h.265 422 10bit ONLY when using Slog. I touched on the fact that 10bit is only when shooting log at the end of this video but didn't mention that it also automatically shifts it from h.264 to h.265
The camera also records 10-bit h.265 if you enable PQ mode, though you only really get about 9.5 bits used. The camera only outputs up to level 640 instead of going all the way up to 1024, for some reason. But CLog3 is better anyway.
This video is a proper "User's Manual for Videography" that Canon should've made at launch. A way to take the maximum out of your equipment for the longest duration. I think this video can help people using the R5 for video to at least make it to lunch, before they let the camera rest for 30-60 mins - and then finish the day off with minimal interruptions. Great job!
@@learningcameras You need to keep doing your detailed "Config Analysis" my friend - haven't seen it anywhere else yet... I do hope Canon takes a notice of this video! Good luck and keep at it!
Another great video Dan. So glad you mentioned APS-C modes. They are really good. I wish that camera had another 2-3 custom modes to save to with all these options.
Thx Dan! Great tips. Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on this thing in a week or so. Unfortunately the lens I bought with it from Bnb (28-70) is on back order :(
Preparing for a shoot with the R5, this video is worth gold! So much info, very well done. I had to scroll back a few times to get it all. Brilliant! Best regards
Very useful tips !! Thanks !! I am just wondering ....as you mentioned the 4k cropped mode having a better quality that part...and i mark It down as well...as i wanna test that out as well...thank you very much😃😃
Awesome! So yes, the 4k crop mode does have more detail than the standard mode and also doesn't overheat but low light is still usually better in the full frame mode so keep that in mind
@@learningcameras thank you for reminding us💪🏾and i checked that as well..actually, it mentioned in the website and manual as well!! Thank you for reminding us🙌🏽
Awesome video, thanks Dan! A few tips I've learned--- there is a way to dual record video while doing 8K. You can set the camera to record a 4K MP4 to the SD card slot at the same time-- essentially a proxy-- great for editing and the quality is surprisingly good. Also, Canon offers Picture Style Editor on their website for free. It lets you alter the in-camera profiles like 'Standard' and improve the dynamic range. I was able to lift the shadows with a S-Curve edit which recovered a surprising amount of detail. Nice for quick, no-grading, out-of-camera results. I was curious about your 8K RAW + Clog comment. You got better dynamic range than just RAW alone? I thought RAW was the highest setting and Clog was derived from it. Sounds like Clog adds another couple of stops on top of RAW?
When shoot in RAW you have a choice to interpret it as Clog, Clog 2, or Clog 3. The choice is yours. Clog 2 offers the most dynamic range from shadows to highlights. The Dynamic range in RAW is very respectable for a mirrorless camera from Canon. I would say overall, dynamic range in clog is the big problem with this camera, around 11.7 stops. The 14-bit RAW photos are amazing and have a huge amount of latitude, especially in the shadows when you underexpose and then bring up in post: easily 2-3 stops recoverable from shadows. Video is the other way around in 8K RAW. Really hoping that add Clog3 or Clog2 in a firmware update to keep it competitve against sony and Panasonic.
This sounds like a good video lol. I love the new RF 35mm F1.8 IS because stabilization is killer when combined with IBIS, the R5 actually works great in APSC mode so basically it's a 35 and a 50, and it's cheap as hell with great quality: bhpho.to/2Isswuh Otherwise I use a 24-70 F2.8 (24-105 F4 would be the cheap option) and the 35 F1.8 for most getting ready & receptions, the 70-200 if I need a long reach for ceremonies (but a 24-105 in APSC mode works alright), and occasionally a wide angle for venue shots and a few fun action dance shots at the reception!
Thanks for the review. One remark that I would like to make, lenses will work differently with each camera. My EF 17 mm TS-E worked great with my 5D MK II, was a tick off with my 5D MK III and would be great again with the 5D MK IV. As far as I know it has to do with micro-differences in regard to the distance from glass level to the sensor. So even with the same lens on two cameras you may get different results.
Pretty sure that shooting video in HDR-PQ forces the camera to shoot in 10-but as well... Plenty of reasons why someone would choose C-Log vs the HDR-PQ curve but just FYI that it's 10-bit as well.
Can someone with an r5 upload in 8K to youtube so I can actually see something on my Sony Z9G 8k TV? :). Out of 200 videos on this camera they are all in 4k only.
@@learningcameras Of course I shoot RAW to bring all the data as much as I can.. Canon is notorious for DR. I have placed a pre-order, but still haven't got it yet.. Hopefully at the end of Oct as they say.. Thank you for response..
Xcellent. I’m having occasional focusing at infinity problems with R5 and my “holiday lens” RF 24 240. Stills is fine! It’s erratic....any ideas....tried 8k and HD both same....
This video is so useful even tho I don’t own an R5 but I don’t think anyone else have a detail and to the point video out on TH-cam like you do unless the video is like 20min long lol
Really true... Planning on getting an R5 - THIS is the "User's Manual" Canon should've made at launch! Really MAXIMIZES the operating envelope and capability of the camera to the fullest beyond where people are just sticking to the over-heating issues.. WOW!!
Hi Dan. Great video. With all the firmware updates since you made this video have you changed your opinion about using cropped 4K rather than LQ 4k or is it still the same? Cheers
Hey! So I find I can use the HQ 4k longer without actually overheating which is good. But I still maintain that cropped 4k is still more detailed because of the oversampling than 4k LQ full frame so I'd only use LQ if you need to use wide angle lenses or have to shoot in low light
Good point on shut down camera. I never ever used the on/off switch as much as I do for the R5 and R6! 😀 On top; with that horrible battery life; switching off helps on that direction too! But the way I shoot my landscape videos where I have bits and pieces on the trail; never had overheating issue.
Nice tips Dan. These days I’m seeing V90 cards as anything but cheap. Even Angelbird’s V90’s are priced higher per GB than their CF-B cards. Maddening!
Is the quality of 4k60 cropped to 4k30 cropped? 10:40 - Why do you suggest using full frame mode for low light? Wouldnt it be better to use full frame HQ?
So I was saying it's better to use full frame LQ in low light instead of the crop mode if you need modes that don't overheat. Absolutely use the HQ version whenever possible for the best quality but it will overheat pretty fast. However at low iso, 4k crop is better quality than 4k LQ and neither overheat
If you find the menu of the R5 difficult and not easy to set, than you should really try a Sony camera my first months with my Sony cam's I couldn't get used to it, so difficult and completely not logical at all But after a while I got used to it, so like everything you have to spend a lot of time with it to learn how it works
So helpful Dan. I think this video has convinced me to move from MFT to FF with the R5. I shoot a lot of video and was very concerned with the timers. I take it the 4K crop mode does not overheat? I was amazed that the crop mode oversampled and looked so much better. I know its compromises we don’t like but with this setup I think I could shoot almost anything with just a bit more fiddling with recording modes and perhaps always making sure I have a wider angle lens in my bag to soak up the 1.5 crop.
Nice!!! Yep, the 4k crop mode doesn't overheat and the quality is great. It's an awesome alternative for longer shoots where you can't use the HQ 4k Full frame mode since that will overheat
Hi Dan, I wanted to ask you for information and share a problem I'm having with my R5. I state that I have already heard canon assistance. I was wondering if by chance you had also encountered this problem on your R5 and if you have found a solution to avoid it. Practically when I film in CLOG and especially in CLOG 3, horizontal stripes appear as image noise in the dark parts of my shots. First of all I went to see the instruction manual and it says that this can occur in particular conditions and advises to take test shots and possibly change the lighting conditions inside my location. Obviously this is not always possible. This is definitely frustrating. Below you will find what the manual says under the heading "Canon Log Image Quality". If this has happened to you before, do you have any advice for me? I would be grateful. (Canon Log Image Quality With Canon Log, movies may be affected by horizontal banding, depending on the subject or shooting conditions. Record a few test movies and check the results in advance. In particular, noise may become more noticeable if you enhance the contrast when color-grading your movies. With Canon Log, skies, white walls, and similar subjects may be affected by noise or uneven gradation, exposure, or colors. Horizontal banding is more likely to occur when recording somewhat dark, flat subjects. This image noise may even occur at relatively low ISO speeds around ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3. If noise is noticeable, try recording under brighter conditions and adjusting brightness in color grading. Noise can also be reduced by recording at ISO speeds lower than ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3, although dynamic range is narrower.)
Really good video, thank you. Have you ever stress tested the APS-C mode with regards to overheating? Is it as robust as the 4K LQ mode (which doesn't overheat even in the Texas sun)?
So I've never overheated 4k apsc and I've run almost 2 hours straight with it so it seems to not overheat at all. Canon specs also say it doesn't overheat. The quality is great though it is more sensitive to high iso
Dan Watson thank you, extremely helpful info. I think a lot of people demand too much, the R5 is like having a 45mpx really good stills camera with a c200 that reliably records over sampled 4K with dpaf and ibis.
@@simonyoung1339 yeah, I think Canon shot themselves in the foot because they really pushed the video capabilities more than stills in the announcements and then all the timers made it feel intentionally limited instead of technologically limited
BE CAREFUL, pretty much ALL settings (like WB, ISO, IBIS, etc.) are stored and changed when you switch custom shooting modes. So in plenty of cases, it's easier to just change the recording format. I think that tip needs this disclaimer, or else it can cause people trouble. peace
Yep, the R6 is also only a 10bit camera in clog. Not sure why Canon doesn't allow a separate option...I notice they do with the C70 so maybe they are keepin g it for the higher end cameras
Thanks for this guide. What is the HDMI output to external recorder when the camera is set to internal recording of 8K raw? I plan to use this web streaming or connected Atomos Shogun in a rig.
I don’t understand the crop mode vs HQ 4K, could you explain this a bit more? Are you talking about the movie cropping mode enable? If so, doesn’t the cropping mode in 4K disable the HQ mode?
So the HQ mode just gives you "oversampled" video and the only reason they have it in the full frame mode is that there is also a "non oversampled" mode. In APSC everything is oversampled so basically it's ONLY HQ. The downside is there is a 1.5x crop so technically not full frame but it doesn't overheat and is oversampled where as the HQ mode in full frame overheats quickly
@@learningcameras I think you are right. Not too many video options there. Although I would like to see what is the best possible result with the R6 you can get. I would be interested in color temperature issues some people have reported.
Thank you!! 🙏 still waiting for mine to arrive, but this was the most helpful set of tips. I’d not have realized the crop would be better than LQ 4K...
Do you have any idea why my iPad will not accept any all-i footage, clog footage, or 8k? Only 4k IPB will work, and I can’t find anyone who has brought up the same issue. I have the new m1 iPad 12.9” 2021 5th Gen. It is driving me absolutely nuts.
Can you provide a link to Canon's website, which is luts what can be applied to the material recorded in C-log in R5 and R6? Somehow I can't find it ...
Hey Dan! All very helpful video info. I see you start this video with what appears to be a nicely balanced 24-70L on the R5. I've been trying to get this same setiup to balance on my Ronin RS3. Any tips? It is just so front heavy with that lens.
Yeah, the RS3 is pretty compact for a gimbal so you don't have a ton of room to adjust the camera even though the gimbal can technically handle the weight. The only thing you really can do is counterbalance it so look to add some weight to the hotshoe or add a cage to see if you can add more weight to the back of the camera. Otherwise the RS3 Pro will handle that offset better
Question, although a little off topic. Can the new computers (Macbooks & New Dells) allow you to edit the 8K footage. It seems everyone was talking about it and then it stopped. Would love to hear back from you. Great video BTW. I'm still using 1080 on my R5 and would love to switch
I don't use 8k often but 4k has definitely improved. 422 10bit h.265 was almost impossible to edit but the M1/M2 and the latest gen intel can pull it off. It's still not completely fluid but 10x better than before. I'd imagine 8k has also improved but it was pretty much impossible to play back before lol
Very very useful... You nailed it 👌🏽just a quick question is 4kcrop better than the 4kHQ ? Thank you for help... also do you have any link clog lut ? Please 🙏
How do you enable 10-bit? That's the real thing that's been driving me _INSANE_ Especially at 4K 120p. It's not clear at all what enables 10-bit for any of the shooting modes/framerates. edit: 13:35, is this **confirmed** by Canon as the ONLY WAY to enable 10-bit? I thought the 4K HQ mode also did this, just not in 120p?
great Video. What is in your opinion the highest possible Qualitiy mode, wich does not run into overheating (under normal surrounding temperatur eg. 20Celsius)
The highest quality video mode that doesn't overheat is 4k24 with an APSC crop. This mode looks great and doesn't overheat. If you are above 1600 ISO though, go with the full frame 4k24 in LQ to not overheat which even though it has less detail than the crop mode, it also has less grain.
Hey! So this was shot on the Nikon Z6 actually with a 35mm F1.8 lens. Most of my videos now are shot on the Sony A7SIII though but also a 35mm F1.8 lens
@@learningcameras What are your settings? I would love to get that kind of quality. Is this shot Raw or just normal shot? 4k or less or more? Thank you for your reply.
@@learningcameras Awesome job. I would love to have this looks one day. I don't use Adobe Premiere but I use only FCPX. Maybe do you have the color Out or color correction you sell? Maybe I should try Adobe premier. :)
I personally do ALL grading myself because I don't feel like I trust most LUTs but I'm still looking for a faster way to work with the 8k RAW with a good LUT. I want to make sure the LUT isn't just recrushing all the shadows and limiting all the DR I worked so hard to record lol
Please guide..How to shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 video footage on Canon R5? does it shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 only in C-Log? DO it has to be ALL-I or IPB to get 10 bit 4:2: 2?
You have to shoot C-Log or HLG to force the camera in 10bit 422. There is no other way. You can however shoot both All-I or IPB I believe to get 10bit...the only thing that changes is the bitrate but even Canon's IPB bitrate is high. In 4k120, you can ONLY shoot ALL-I
Hi! I’ve been attempting to set up my custom shooting modes for video, and they all say “C1 P”. I noticed your options say “C1 M” which is what I need to have control my shutter speed, aperture, etc... Please help!
Yep, I noticed that. Also, if you have some kind of 4k60 or higher set to C3, you will also see the overheating clock when in stills mode so you can see that even if you are just shooting stills, the ability to record video goes down quickly
Wow, this was incredibly useful to me! Thanks for mentioning that info about 4k APSC crop mode, as that is the mode I plan to use for nature work where I need the reach. All of the other info is really useful for getting real work done. Again, thanks and well done. I hope the wife lets you get that C70...just tell her about what kind of helpful videos you can make that have real impact (rather than taking useless jabs at the camera).
Not really. The problem with 4k120 is not just how long you can record but the fact that once the camera has been on or recorded for even 30 minutes (or just left on with a hot day), the camera will completely lock you out of 4k120 so there is a LOT they would have to do
Hello Dan! Have you tried checking the properties of the 10bit files when editing in Premiere Pro? I saw my 4k HQ 23.976p LOG files read as 4:2:0 chroma sampling instead of 4:2:2.
Hi iam from India last week bought canon R5 now iam facing a issue that heating problem on 1080p 120 frame rate is that any solution to solve this issue. now I use tough sd card 300fes
Hey Dan, so the file sizes are astronomical with this camera when shooting all-i modes, and the cards aren't cheap. I'm considering doing more ipb shoots moving forward and my initial tests with motion haven't really revealed any visual differences? Thoughts?
Hey! Yeah, I shoot most IPB now. I'm going to youtube mostly so the difference is about negligent but if your shooting scenes with lots of detail and motion, the higher bitrate might be a bit better plus usually plays back better on the computer
Hi Dan, Thanks for the tips and being positive about the workarounds on the R5 limitations. For long form, are you using an external recorder like the Ninja 5? And can you share your recommended workflow for processing the different shooting modes as I’ve seen 8k30 and H.265 codecs are taxing to process? What software do you use and what laptop/computer configuration do you recommend?
Hey! So I don't use an external recorder just because when I do need to shoot 4k120 or 8k, the recorder doesn't work. Also, the oversampled 4k HQ doesn't work when recording externally. Yes, 8k is extremely difficult and I'm using a fairly underpowered 2019 version i7 processor and 2080gpu. Unfortunately most of the newest processors don't support h.265 with 10bit 422 although you can play back h.265 420 no problem. There isn't much you can do at this point if you want to shoot 422 h.265 without proxies from my understanding....at least with Premiere
Hi. You can record in 4K HQ to an external recorder. However, you must have Overheat Control Mode set to Off. If you have it set to On, you will get 4K std to the external recorder. The TH-cam channel No Life showed and proved this. I have tested this on my R5 and Atomos Ninja 5, and can confirm that it does record in HQ mode if Overheat Control is off.
I don't want to do anything to damage the camera, but I think I heard you can cool the camera down fairly quickly by sticking in a an ice chest between shots. Has anyone tried this? Good idea? Bad idea? Maybe not a freezing ice chest, just something around 40 degrees.
So it really is WAY less effective than you would think. This camera is very timer based so even using it in freezing weather you still can't record much more than in the heat. When it first came out, putting it in the freezer did pretty much nothing although some firmware upgrades have improved things a bit
4k 30 will be the same as 4k 24. It is not oversampled at all in normal mode so you need to go to the HQ mode for the ultimate quality or consider shooting the APSC crop if your not in low light
@@learningcameras thank you for the reply. 🙂 I live in an climate area so it’s pretty much hard to working on HQ mode for just an hour. 😕 My camera shut off before reaching to 23 minutes for a long run clip. Thank you for your tips. Have a nice day :)
@@rogerthompson2005 Thank you. I hoped this camera could do better about the thermal. It too easy to get overheat on this camera. I know that the Atomos might be the alternative solution but to be honest, I would love if the camera could work without the extra equipment on it.
Biggest problem with Canon that it uses outdated, not BSI-CMOS sensors and has low sensitivity due to ridiculous megapixel counts or if they use later sensor they are huge like R3 or R1. I like more Sony A7sIII. By now they should have been experimenting with SPAD or x1000 more sensitive graphene sensors to shring camera size, weight and cost.
Very helpful. I shot with my R5 yesterday and was confounded trying to get into 4K 120p (turns out I just had to "enable" high frame rate)... being confounded doesn't go over well when you're running a set. I'm definitely going to use those custom presets. On a good note, the 4K HQ is incredible. I did notice that it is H.264 though and not H.265 and it played fine on my MacBook 16". I recall several vids saying it was H.265 4:2:2 and difficult to play back, so that had me a little confused. But it looked great.
Awesome! So the camera automatically shifts to h.265 422 10bit ONLY when using Slog. I touched on the fact that 10bit is only when shooting log at the end of this video but didn't mention that it also automatically shifts it from h.264 to h.265
@@learningcameras *C-Log, that is, right? Not S-Log...
*flies off*
The camera also records 10-bit h.265 if you enable PQ mode, though you only really get about 9.5 bits used. The camera only outputs up to level 640 instead of going all the way up to 1024, for some reason. But CLog3 is better anyway.
This is sooo good! Watched it three times. I’m figuring out my R5 and this is perfect. Thank you.
Awesome!!! That's what I love hearing
This video is a proper "User's Manual for Videography" that Canon should've made at launch. A way to take the maximum out of your equipment for the longest duration. I think this video can help people using the R5 for video to at least make it to lunch, before they let the camera rest for 30-60 mins - and then finish the day off with minimal interruptions.
Great job!
Thanks Ghani! Exactly what I hoped it would be
@@learningcameras You need to keep doing your detailed "Config Analysis" my friend - haven't seen it anywhere else yet... I do hope Canon takes a notice of this video! Good luck and keep at it!
@@abdul2ghani Appreciate that!
First video of yours that I watched! Great content, love that background. Got yourself a sub!
Awesome!!! Thanks so much Nithin!
Another great video Dan. So glad you mentioned APS-C modes. They are really good. I wish that camera had another 2-3 custom modes to save to with all these options.
Thanks!!! I'd definitely use another few custom modes as well lol
finally someone on TH-cam who is happy using his R5 lol great tips and clean edit of your video...you got a new Frenchy subscriber ;)
Awesome, thank you!
Thx Dan! Great tips. Can't wait to get my grubby little hands on this thing in a week or so. Unfortunately the lens I bought with it from Bnb (28-70) is on back order :(
Awesome video, thanks a lot for sharing, I can't wait to get mine. Bst!
How is it working for you
Preparing for a shoot with the R5, this video is worth gold! So much info, very well done. I had to scroll back a few times to get it all. Brilliant! Best regards
Awesome!!! Thank you so much
5:53 what's up with those black pixels on the windshield?
Very useful tips !! Thanks !!
I am just wondering ....as you mentioned the 4k cropped mode having a better quality that part...and i mark
It down as well...as i wanna test that out as well...thank you very much😃😃
Awesome! So yes, the 4k crop mode does have more detail than the standard mode and also doesn't overheat but low light is still usually better in the full frame mode so keep that in mind
@@learningcameras thank you for reminding us💪🏾and i checked that as well..actually, it mentioned in the website and manual as well!! Thank you for reminding us🙌🏽
Great video! I own the Canon R5, no overheating issues so far. Thanks for the tip!
you gained a new subscriber from me! man loved your approach of no hate and Tips instead! GENIUS!
Thanks so much!!! Really appreciate that
Working with this Camera is like entering the old Contra code. Up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, A, B, B, A
hahahahaha
Awesome video, thanks Dan! A few tips I've learned--- there is a way to dual record video while doing 8K. You can set the camera to record a 4K MP4 to the SD card slot at the same time-- essentially a proxy-- great for editing and the quality is surprisingly good. Also, Canon offers Picture Style Editor on their website for free. It lets you alter the in-camera profiles like 'Standard' and improve the dynamic range. I was able to lift the shadows with a S-Curve edit which recovered a surprising amount of detail. Nice for quick, no-grading, out-of-camera results. I was curious about your 8K RAW + Clog comment. You got better dynamic range than just RAW alone? I thought RAW was the highest setting and Clog was derived from it. Sounds like Clog adds another couple of stops on top of RAW?
When shoot in RAW you have a choice to interpret it as Clog, Clog 2, or Clog 3. The choice is yours. Clog 2 offers the most dynamic range from shadows to highlights. The Dynamic range in RAW is very respectable for a mirrorless camera from Canon. I would say overall, dynamic range in clog is the big problem with this camera, around 11.7 stops. The 14-bit RAW photos are amazing and have a huge amount of latitude, especially in the shadows when you underexpose and then bring up in post: easily 2-3 stops recoverable from shadows. Video is the other way around in 8K RAW. Really hoping that add Clog3 or Clog2 in a firmware update to keep it competitve against sony and Panasonic.
Hey Dan which are the most three important and buget friendly canon lenses for weeding videography
This sounds like a good video lol. I love the new RF 35mm F1.8 IS because stabilization is killer when combined with IBIS, the R5 actually works great in APSC mode so basically it's a 35 and a 50, and it's cheap as hell with great quality: bhpho.to/2Isswuh
Otherwise I use a 24-70 F2.8 (24-105 F4 would be the cheap option) and the 35 F1.8 for most getting ready & receptions, the 70-200 if I need a long reach for ceremonies (but a 24-105 in APSC mode works alright), and occasionally a wide angle for venue shots and a few fun action dance shots at the reception!
Great info thanks that tip about shooting in Crop to get the 4k30 ok is cracking
DAN, THANKS FOR SHARING TONS OF KNOWLEDGE ,DID LEARN A LOT.
@@edilsonfaberruizrivera7262 awesome! Appreciate that
What lut do you use from canon for the r5 as a starting point for clog?
Thanks for the review. One remark that I would like to make, lenses will work differently with each camera. My EF 17 mm TS-E worked great with my 5D MK II, was a tick off with my 5D MK III and would be great again with the 5D MK IV. As far as I know it has to do with micro-differences in regard to the distance from glass level to the sensor. So even with the same lens on two cameras you may get different results.
So much value in this video! Thank you 🙏🏼 Sorry if I missed it, but do we also need to crop in 4K 120, like 4K 60, for optimal sharpness?
Awesome! So you cannot crop in 4k120 so just the standard full frame mode is all you can pick
Great practical tips!!! Very useful to know how to work with given tool than complain about what it cannot do!! Great content!! Thanks!!
Pretty sure that shooting video in HDR-PQ forces the camera to shoot in 10-but as well... Plenty of reasons why someone would choose C-Log vs the HDR-PQ curve but just FYI that it's 10-bit as well.
You are correct
Correct. 10 bit + color profiles in HDR-PQ.
Can someone with an r5 upload in 8K to youtube so I can actually see
something on my Sony Z9G 8k TV? :). Out of 200 videos on this camera
they are all in 4k only.
what about dynamic range tips for still photography? do you have any tips for better DR of still photography? Thank you always..
Shoot raw
Yeah, just shoot RAW and you have plenty of dynamic range. The R5 isn't the best but certainly it has plenty of usable DR
@@learningcameras Of course I shoot RAW to bring all the data as much as I can.. Canon is notorious for DR. I have placed a pre-order, but still haven't got it yet.. Hopefully at the end of Oct as they say.. Thank you for response..
This video is unbelievably helpful, thank you!
Hey Dan, love the insightful comments, please keep it up! My R5 just arrived yesterday, and this information is very timely!
Awesome! Thanks Von...enjoy the R5!!!
Xcellent. I’m having occasional focusing at infinity problems with R5 and my “holiday lens” RF 24 240. Stills is fine! It’s erratic....any ideas....tried 8k and HD both same....
This video is so useful even tho I don’t own an R5 but I don’t think anyone else have a detail and to the point video out on TH-cam like you do unless the video is like 20min long lol
Really true... Planning on getting an R5 - THIS is the "User's Manual" Canon should've made at launch! Really MAXIMIZES the operating envelope and capability of the camera to the fullest beyond where people are just sticking to the over-heating issues.. WOW!!
Thanks for the video, I have a question. How do I set the movie record button to pick C1 by default to shoot with my custom settings?
Thanks Dan, very informative video!! What is the name of the small tripod your R5 is sitting on?
So it is just the handle that comes with a gimbal. Zhiyun makes some great ones with a rubber grip
Hi Dan. Great video. With all the firmware updates since you made this video have you changed your opinion about using cropped 4K rather than LQ 4k or is it still the same? Cheers
Hey! So I find I can use the HQ 4k longer without actually overheating which is good. But I still maintain that cropped 4k is still more detailed because of the oversampling than 4k LQ full frame so I'd only use LQ if you need to use wide angle lenses or have to shoot in low light
@@learningcameras thanks for getting back to me. Great to have an expert opinion.
Very good video! Thanks for being so clear and practical.
Does 4K60 crop mode have overheating issues?
Good point on shut down camera. I never ever used the on/off switch as much as I do for the R5 and R6! 😀
On top; with that horrible battery life; switching off helps on that direction too!
But the way I shoot my landscape videos where I have bits and pieces on the trail; never had overheating issue.
Nice tips Dan. These days I’m seeing V90 cards as anything but cheap. Even Angelbird’s V90’s
are priced higher per GB than their CF-B cards. Maddening!
Is the quality of 4k60 cropped to 4k30 cropped?
10:40 - Why do you suggest using full frame mode for low light? Wouldnt it be better to use full frame HQ?
So I was saying it's better to use full frame LQ in low light instead of the crop mode if you need modes that don't overheat. Absolutely use the HQ version whenever possible for the best quality but it will overheat pretty fast. However at low iso, 4k crop is better quality than 4k LQ and neither overheat
If you find the menu of the R5 difficult and not easy to set, than you should really try a Sony camera
my first months with my Sony cam's I couldn't get used to it, so difficult and completely not logical at all
But after a while I got used to it, so like everything you have to spend a lot of time with it to learn how it works
So helpful Dan. I think this video has convinced me to move from MFT to FF with the R5. I shoot a lot of video and was very concerned with the timers. I take it the 4K crop mode does not overheat? I was amazed that the crop mode oversampled and looked so much better. I know its compromises we don’t like but with this setup I think I could shoot almost anything with just a bit more fiddling with recording modes and perhaps always making sure I have a wider angle lens in my bag to soak up the 1.5 crop.
Nice!!! Yep, the 4k crop mode doesn't overheat and the quality is great. It's an awesome alternative for longer shoots where you can't use the HQ 4k Full frame mode since that will overheat
great video, thanks for pointing out ways to max-out the value out of this camera... that is often overlooked. Is the 120 crop mode available as well?
I had a feeling that the 4k crop mode would be better than 4k LQ, thanks for verifying that for me.
Great tip about the crop mode!
Hi Dan, I wanted to ask you for information and share a problem I'm having with my R5. I state that I have already heard canon assistance. I was wondering if by chance you had also encountered this problem on your R5 and if you have found a solution to avoid it. Practically when I film in CLOG and especially in CLOG 3, horizontal stripes appear as image noise in the dark parts of my shots. First of all I went to see the instruction manual and it says that this can occur in particular conditions and advises to take test shots and possibly change the lighting conditions inside my location. Obviously this is not always possible. This is definitely frustrating. Below you will find what the manual says under the heading "Canon Log Image Quality". If this has happened to you before, do you have any advice for me? I would be grateful.
(Canon Log Image Quality
With Canon Log, movies may be affected by horizontal banding, depending on the subject or shooting conditions. Record a few test movies and check the results in advance. In particular, noise may become more noticeable if you enhance the contrast when color-grading your movies.
With Canon Log, skies, white walls, and similar subjects may be affected by noise or uneven gradation, exposure, or colors.
Horizontal banding is more likely to occur when recording somewhat dark, flat subjects. This image noise may even occur at relatively low ISO speeds around ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3.
If noise is noticeable, try recording under brighter conditions and adjusting brightness in color grading. Noise can also be reduced by recording at ISO speeds lower than ISO 400 for Canon Log or ISO 800 for Canon Log 3, although dynamic range is narrower.)
Really good video, thank you. Have you ever stress tested the APS-C mode with regards to overheating? Is it as robust as the 4K LQ mode (which doesn't overheat even in the Texas sun)?
So I've never overheated 4k apsc and I've run almost 2 hours straight with it so it seems to not overheat at all. Canon specs also say it doesn't overheat. The quality is great though it is more sensitive to high iso
Dan Watson thank you, extremely helpful info. I think a lot of people demand too much, the R5 is like having a 45mpx really good stills camera with a c200 that reliably records over sampled 4K with dpaf and ibis.
@@simonyoung1339 yeah, I think Canon shot themselves in the foot because they really pushed the video capabilities more than stills in the announcements and then all the timers made it feel intentionally limited instead of technologically limited
during a video recording, is it possible to change wb or iso etc? I have heard that it is not possible to do this
BE CAREFUL, pretty much ALL settings (like WB, ISO, IBIS, etc.) are stored and changed when you switch custom shooting modes. So in plenty of cases, it's easier to just change the recording format. I think that tip needs this disclaimer, or else it can cause people trouble. peace
Thank you for the good explanation! One question: I own the R6, does this camera also shoots 10 bit only in c log?
Thank you buddy
Yep, the R6 is also only a 10bit camera in clog. Not sure why Canon doesn't allow a separate option...I notice they do with the C70 so maybe they are keepin g it for the higher end cameras
Great tips..thank you Dan.
The timelapse won't work if your AF-on button is assigned to AF and main button to metering +shoot.
I agree, they need to fix this in a firmware update....!
Thanks for this guide. What is the HDMI output to external recorder when the camera is set to internal recording of 8K raw? I plan to use this web streaming or connected Atomos Shogun in a rig.
I don’t understand the crop mode vs HQ 4K, could you explain this a bit more? Are you talking about the movie cropping mode enable? If so, doesn’t the cropping mode in 4K disable the HQ mode?
So the HQ mode just gives you "oversampled" video and the only reason they have it in the full frame mode is that there is also a "non oversampled" mode. In APSC everything is oversampled so basically it's ONLY HQ. The downside is there is a 1.5x crop so technically not full frame but it doesn't overheat and is oversampled where as the HQ mode in full frame overheats quickly
Are you planning to do anything similar with the R6 ?
You think I should??? Feel free to let me know some popular questions you have!
@@learningcameras I think you are right. Not too many video options there. Although I would like to see what is the best possible result with the R6 you can get. I would be interested in color temperature issues some people have reported.
Thank you!! 🙏 still waiting for mine to arrive, but this was the most helpful set of tips. I’d not have realized the crop would be better than LQ 4K...
Do you have any idea why my iPad will not accept any all-i footage, clog footage, or 8k? Only 4k IPB will work, and I can’t find anyone who has brought up the same issue. I have the new m1 iPad 12.9” 2021 5th Gen. It is driving me absolutely nuts.
I know that for sharper C Log in the eos R we had to increase the sharpness or "strength" settting. Is this something to do as well in the R5?
Can you provide a link to Canon's website, which is luts what can be applied to the material recorded in C-log in R5 and R6? Somehow I can't find it ...
Excellent tips, Dan! Thank you.
I may have missed it but I didn't see how to switch the crop modes...
I have a R5 what color space do you recommend recording. Rec709, BT2020 or Cinema Gamut?
I would use Rec709 because that's what 99% of everything else is already using it
Im just in love with your view out the window...where are you?
That was shot out in FT Lauderdale Florida but that was actually my buddies APT not my home. I'm out in Orlando
Hey Dan! All very helpful video info. I see you start this video with what appears to be a nicely balanced 24-70L on the R5. I've been trying to get this same setiup to
balance on my Ronin RS3. Any tips? It is just so front heavy with that lens.
Yeah, the RS3 is pretty compact for a gimbal so you don't have a ton of room to adjust the camera even though the gimbal can technically handle the weight. The only thing you really can do is counterbalance it so look to add some weight to the hotshoe or add a cage to see if you can add more weight to the back of the camera. Otherwise the RS3 Pro will handle that offset better
Question, although a little off topic. Can the new computers (Macbooks & New Dells) allow you to edit the 8K footage. It seems everyone was talking about it and then it stopped. Would love to hear back from you. Great video BTW. I'm still using 1080 on my R5 and would love to switch
I don't use 8k often but 4k has definitely improved. 422 10bit h.265 was almost impossible to edit but the M1/M2 and the latest gen intel can pull it off. It's still not completely fluid but 10x better than before. I'd imagine 8k has also improved but it was pretty much impossible to play back before lol
@@learningcameras Thanks for taking the time to response Dan. Pat
Thanks Dan. Great video, cheers 👍🙏
Thanks Adrian!
Very very useful... You nailed it 👌🏽just a quick question is 4kcrop better than the 4kHQ ? Thank you for help... also do you have any link clog lut ? Please 🙏
How do you enable 10-bit? That's the real thing that's been driving me _INSANE_
Especially at 4K 120p. It's not clear at all what enables 10-bit for any of the shooting modes/framerates.
edit: 13:35, is this **confirmed** by Canon as the ONLY WAY to enable 10-bit? I thought the 4K HQ mode also did this, just not in 120p?
I'm almost positive that 10bit is only in LOG recording. Basically Canon assumes you don't need 10bit unless you shoot log
@@learningcameras I just checked the files I shot at 4K PQ or whatever it was, and it actually was 4:2:2 10 bit!
Good points.
great Video. What is in your opinion the highest possible Qualitiy mode, wich does not run into overheating (under normal surrounding temperatur eg. 20Celsius)
The highest quality video mode that doesn't overheat is 4k24 with an APSC crop. This mode looks great and doesn't overheat. If you are above 1600 ISO though, go with the full frame 4k24 in LQ to not overheat which even though it has less detail than the crop mode, it also has less grain.
@@learningcameras thank you for answering and for really be helpful
I hope canon fixes the issues in the camera and also adds clog 3 !! I wish canon gave us better DR
Clog 3 is here with latest update.
By the way what camera and lens you use to get this video sooooo sharp and clear and crispy?
Hey! So this was shot on the Nikon Z6 actually with a 35mm F1.8 lens. Most of my videos now are shot on the Sony A7SIII though but also a 35mm F1.8 lens
@@learningcameras What are your settings? I would love to get that kind of quality. Is this shot Raw or just normal shot? 4k or less or more? Thank you for your reply.
@@letsrockmusicschool5491 Just normal 4k using a flat picture profile and I graded it myself in Adobe Premiere
@@learningcameras Awesome job. I would love to have this looks one day. I don't use Adobe Premiere but I use only FCPX. Maybe do you have the color Out or color correction you sell? Maybe I should try Adobe premier. :)
Dan what Canon LUT do you use the most for getting a baseline grade out of 8K Raw?
I personally do ALL grading myself because I don't feel like I trust most LUTs but I'm still looking for a faster way to work with the 8k RAW with a good LUT. I want to make sure the LUT isn't just recrushing all the shadows and limiting all the DR I worked so hard to record lol
Please guide..How to shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 video footage on Canon R5? does it shoot 10 bit 4:2: 2 only in C-Log? DO it has to be ALL-I or IPB to get 10 bit 4:2: 2?
You have to shoot C-Log or HLG to force the camera in 10bit 422. There is no other way. You can however shoot both All-I or IPB I believe to get 10bit...the only thing that changes is the bitrate but even Canon's IPB bitrate is high. In 4k120, you can ONLY shoot ALL-I
Hi! I’ve been attempting to set up my custom shooting modes for video, and they all say “C1 P”. I noticed your options say “C1 M” which is what I need to have control my shutter speed, aperture, etc... Please help!
I'm confused. How do you shoot 8K Raw + Clog? I thought it was one or the other.
Nope, make sure you have CLOG turned on & shoot 8k raw. I thought they would be the same too but I got very different results
@@learningcameras Its because it isnt true RAW
where is the apsc crop setting ?
When in Stills Modus the video Record-Button does start video recording following what C3 has stored (at least mine does)
Yep, I noticed that. Also, if you have some kind of 4k60 or higher set to C3, you will also see the overheating clock when in stills mode so you can see that even if you are just shooting stills, the ability to record video goes down quickly
What gymbal do you use? Brand and link please?
So right now just about everything I shoot is on the DJI RSC2: bhpho.to/342uXMf
If you do have a super heavy setup though and a few extra $, the RS2 is the upgrade: bhpho.to/2HIvoDg
@@learningcameras no PayPal in my country, so I need free LUT
I purchased a 128 CF express card I can’t record 8k do I need a bigger card?
Some of the best, most helpful r5 content. Thanks, man!
Appreciate that!
Wow, this was incredibly useful to me! Thanks for mentioning that info about 4k APSC crop mode, as that is the mode I plan to use for nature work where I need the reach. All of the other info is really useful for getting real work done. Again, thanks and well done. I hope the wife lets you get that C70...just tell her about what kind of helpful videos you can make that have real impact (rather than taking useless jabs at the camera).
Awesome!!! Hahaha, I'll definitely be using your comment to help convince the wife lol
Awesome!!! Hahaha, I'll definitely be using your comment to help convince the wife lol
Do you think they will ever fix 4k 120 or get it to shoot in this mode longer?
Not really. The problem with 4k120 is not just how long you can record but the fact that once the camera has been on or recorded for even 30 minutes (or just left on with a hot day), the camera will completely lock you out of 4k120 so there is a LOT they would have to do
Hello Dan! Have you tried checking the properties of the 10bit files when editing in Premiere Pro? I saw my 4k HQ 23.976p LOG files read as 4:2:0 chroma sampling instead of 4:2:2.
please make video Canon R5 with ninja v
Merry Brandybuck that was a great video! :)
Hi iam from India last week bought canon R5 now iam facing a issue that heating problem on 1080p 120 frame rate is that any solution to solve this issue. now I use tough sd card 300fes
Thank you for the information! As much as I hate to admit it, this camera just won’t work for my workflow. I have canceled my pre-order.
Hey Dan, so the file sizes are astronomical with this camera when shooting all-i modes, and the cards aren't cheap. I'm considering doing more ipb shoots moving forward and my initial tests with motion haven't really revealed any visual differences? Thoughts?
Hey! Yeah, I shoot most IPB now. I'm going to youtube mostly so the difference is about negligent but if your shooting scenes with lots of detail and motion, the higher bitrate might be a bit better plus usually plays back better on the computer
You were preoccupied with your referral links that you forgot the link to the short
Thank you Dan !! The insight you share is Extremely helpful !! Greatly Appreciate it !! All the best,
Thanks Mark! Appreciate that
Hi Dan,
Thanks for the tips and being positive about the workarounds on the R5 limitations.
For long form, are you using an external recorder like the Ninja 5?
And can you share your recommended workflow for processing the different shooting modes as I’ve seen 8k30 and H.265 codecs are taxing to process? What software do you use and what laptop/computer configuration do you recommend?
Hey! So I don't use an external recorder just because when I do need to shoot 4k120 or 8k, the recorder doesn't work. Also, the oversampled 4k HQ doesn't work when recording externally. Yes, 8k is extremely difficult and I'm using a fairly underpowered 2019 version i7 processor and 2080gpu. Unfortunately most of the newest processors don't support h.265 with 10bit 422 although you can play back h.265 420 no problem. There isn't much you can do at this point if you want to shoot 422 h.265 without proxies from my understanding....at least with Premiere
Hi. You can record in 4K HQ to an external recorder. However, you must have Overheat Control Mode set to Off. If you have it set to On, you will get 4K std to the external recorder. The TH-cam channel No Life showed and proved this. I have tested this on my R5 and Atomos Ninja 5, and can confirm that it does record in HQ mode if Overheat Control is off.
I don't want to do anything to damage the camera, but I think I heard you can cool the camera down fairly quickly by sticking in a an ice chest between shots. Has anyone tried this? Good idea? Bad idea? Maybe not a freezing ice chest, just something around 40 degrees.
So it really is WAY less effective than you would think. This camera is very timer based so even using it in freezing weather you still can't record much more than in the heat. When it first came out, putting it in the freezer did pretty much nothing although some firmware upgrades have improved things a bit
Extremely useful video Dan, thanks!!
Hi long much time to I get on the R5 if I shoot 4k 60?
About 30 minutes if you record in a single take. If you stop every few minutes and shut down the camera, you can record way longer.
Hi how I can shoot 10 bit on Canon eos r5 without shooting in clog mode?
HLG and Clog are the only ways unfortunately
What about 4k 30fps in normal mode look as bad as 24fps ?
4k 30 will be the same as 4k 24. It is not oversampled at all in normal mode so you need to go to the HQ mode for the ultimate quality or consider shooting the APSC crop if your not in low light
@@learningcameras thank you for the reply. 🙂
I live in an climate area so it’s pretty much hard to working on HQ mode for just an hour. 😕
My camera shut off before reaching to 23 minutes for a long run clip. Thank you for your tips. Have a nice day :)
@@Jessewatt I think if you get an Atomos Ninja V, you can record for ages in 4k HQ...via hdmi!
@@rogerthompson2005 Thank you. I hoped this camera could do better about the thermal. It too easy to get overheat on this camera. I know that the Atomos might be the alternative solution but to be honest, I would love if the camera could work without the extra equipment on it.
I really think its the CF card that overheats. I have a 1TB card and that thing gets hot!
You're the one that gets hot ;)
@@kelb89 😎😎😎🔥
@@kelb89 smooth
Did not disappoint
NICE VIDEO BUT You didn't talk about IPB VS ALL-I IN 4K HQ 😇
Biggest problem with Canon that it uses outdated, not BSI-CMOS sensors and has low sensitivity due to ridiculous megapixel counts or if they use later sensor they are huge like R3 or R1. I like more Sony A7sIII. By now they should have been experimenting with SPAD or x1000 more sensitive graphene sensors to shring camera size, weight and cost.
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Dude I love my R5