@@joshhenry2389can’t compare when Jesus had an acl injury n havertz took his place since then Brennan Johnson has had no injury n plays with no pressure every week
My worry is that the team has been challenging three seasons now and some players have overstayed their usefulness. The problem is the manager is so selective in how he is ruthless and wants total control. I do not think Arteta can manage players who have a chip on their shoulder. The club takes so much time to move players and then we always looking at ex Chelsea or Man city players. We also are poor at recruitment as we buy player who are injury prone.
This is a very good and important point to make. I would support Arsenal even if they played in the 3rd or 4th tier. It's my club, period. Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. But if people say we're bottlers, then I say that there is one thing we can do about it: don't bottle it.
@@surabaya5927 "I would support Arsenal even if they played in the 3rd or 4th tier. It's my club, period" says Puddi Boy who hasn't got a pot to piss in and thinks Islington is in Islamabad near Chicago Wurtless bwoy
@@surabaya5927 Lets stop expecting a skill set from Martinelli that he doesn't have in his locker which is beating his marker, a deadly finisher, creating scoring chances. Martinelli does not have the above technical abilities which is not his fault, unfortunately the expectations of the team have outgrown his skill-set. team needs a Rodriygo level type of winger maybe Ademola
Such a breath of fresh air hearing guys like the both of you, Curtis Shaw, Turkish, Dan Potts and Lee Gunner who speak the truth and dont tip toe around the real issues.
The conversation starts and ends with Arteta. Its been 5 years and yet here we are still seeing gaping holes in this squad. he has had more than enough time, money and backing to build a squad that is ready. You have to compare it to Pep and Klopp. Did their squads have all these issues after 5 years? He has CHOSEN to not bolster the frontline. He has chosen to buy defender after defender, left back after left back, goalkeeper after goalkeeper.
I will give him the summer to see if he upgrades the attack, I get wanting to build the foundation from the back and in the middle, I think that has largely worked because on the whole our defense has been our best asset it's just unfortunate this season we have had so many injuries to the back line. There is absolutely no excuse to not offload Jesus, Nelson, tierney and co asap and get another striker and a top left winger and another creative midfielder, isak, wirtz and rodrygo/Williams pretty much completes our team
@@antw06 also in regards to Liverpool and city not having holes in their squad, city have no proper back up for rodri or haaland, an injury to either is a nightmare and because they haven't gotten back up for rodri they have fallen off a cliff this season, Liverpool don't have much back up in the midfield and are an injury or 2 away from a crisis in that position, they don't have a quality back up for Salah either, no team has perfect backup options and tbh the way Arteta has purchased defenders who can play multiple positions is a big reason why we have managed ok this season despite so many players being injured.
So true boys, some good perspectives. We play percentages football with no gun man on top. Mourinho did it with Drogba at Chelsea, milito and eto and inter. Simeone with prime griezman, Suarez a couple years ago. We’re trying to do it with havertz and Jesus and a none existent left flank. We have to be PERFECT to win games and as soon as we drop a notch below perfection we struggle badly. Feel sorry for rice, Saka, timber, gabriel and saliba, odegaard. Cuz these guys deserve some real world class talent around them
We need to break the bank for Isak. Someone that can replicate what Auba was doing when he played off the left. We know his quality doing the middle but I’m convinced that even if Arteta wants to have a front 3 of Isak Havertz and Saka that forward line can get 60+ goals a season
I think there’s an ego with Arteta as well, where he doesn’t want any one player to rise above his system and be viewed as the star, but we just need another difference maker alongside Saka, that could even be Odegaard if he shot the ball more
Very informed discussion. Thank you. I'd be interested to hear your views on the qualities of our midfield. For me, there isn't the trickery to go past a player and then create the space for a through pass, or enough vision. Rice, Merino, Partey, Giorginho are all solid but not consistently creative enough. You didn’t talk in this show about Nwaneri. Isn’t he the kind of spark we need in midfield? At present it's all too predictable and slow in the build up because nobody in midfield can go past a player.
Guests would be a nice bonus but honestly you both are such a great partnership and bounce off eachother so well the show is already good enough. Refreshing to just hear good and honest grounded takes without going over the top or being afraid to be critical where needed. 👍 Hopefully we can get our season back on track!
Essentially we need a striker, left winger, left centre mid and, after a clear out, a defender. The club utterly failed in last summer’s transfer window.
Slightly Off topic: What do you think of Tijjani Reijnders from AC Milan as our number 8 - he would be the perfect xhaka replacement, he is so physical, yet technically gifted and a great creator, could fix our left hand side - but would prob cost like 60-80 mil I would think
My theory of why Arteta hasn’t bought a top top striker or left winger yet is that he builds his squad like he plays his football. Think about it. He has a 5 stages roadmap to go from a squad of (almost nobody) he wants to his dream team. He can’t obviously buy all the players at once. So he starts to strengthen the defence first. And the midfield. He bought Jesus too. And then back ups for defence and midfield, just in case we need them (do we need them? Looks like we do right now ) No one could have expected Jesus falling off a cliff during the building process. Havertz needs to step in and does okay. The club can’t spend endlessly money and there are also market opportunities that one has to take. And the lack of market opportunities too. We are not at stage 5 yet, are we? Calafiori and Merino were opportunities last window. Calafiori is the future and has potential to be world class and Merino is a winner. You have to take them. What striker was really available? What LW? And let’s not forget that Martinelli could have been a really good player, even though it doesn’t look like it right now. And let’s not forget that we are really unlucky this year. That’s no excuse, it’s a fact. You can’t ignore that. The amount of injuries start to become ridiculous. Ødegaard is playing with a painful foot. Nwaneri is a bit too young, but he needs space in the squad. Anyway. I think we are on the right track. Once we are at stage 5 and we don’t start winning trophies, I‘ll start to question Arteta. Until then I realise that I don’t know anything about football compared to him and the staff. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
I agree. I think besides the injuries, Partey's return to quality is a problem.Sounds contradictory but think about it. Rice is a 6. Partey is in his spot. Merino needs to play and form relationships with Martinelli.
What do you mean it would “do the business” to put MLS at left back for this Fulham game? Aren’t our best results coming when we have a solid back line? This is the same squad that scored the most goals in a season last year. We played against Fulham without 4 first ix defenders. And all you can focus on what you assume are easy answers “get someone who makes a difference!”. Can’t deal with sentences like “we can see it’s so obvious” it’s obvious that without the ridiculous red cards earlier in the season we would probably be in a healthier position on the table and we wouldn’t be yapping about our forward line like you know something Arteta doesn’t
Id actually be fine with selling martinelli and keeping trossard as a back up for a nico williams or someone on that level as he would likely fetch a higher fee, trossard can play in the 8 at a push as well
Maybe you hit the nail on the head james, the reluctance to get that player profile with almost a fear of them not being almost robotic and to the system... i mean prime example surely Arteta knew how good C Palmer was...
Kiwior deserves more credit. In a possession heavy side he will have his moments - smart passer. His defensive frailties are to be expected for the squad player price he came on. If he can learn and eliminate those from more game time he may be an able deputy for Gabriel. At some point we may cash in on Gabriel a few more seasons from now
There are faults with the hierarchy but dont get it twisted arteta has been backed the problem is A) hes stubborn and B) he is not surrounded by people that can overrule him. C) he moves as if his job not on the line because it is not. If your job is on the line you do not pay 65mil to play kai havertz in midfield. If your job is on the line you do not buy another left back over a striker. If your job is on the line runnarson, sambi, viera never make it to the club. Im not arteta out but honestly im kinda done with him if he doesnt win major honours. Weve had about half a dozen centre backs/left backs. We still dont have a left sided eight that we are happy with. We still need a striker. Still need a left winger that starts. Still need a right winger. Still need an attacking midfielder. The things we needed last season.
I agree overall with the shortcomings mentioned - the striker thing just seems silly... why doesn't Arsenal have a top class striker yet? But I think the question of being a "one half team" or "half season team" was a little unrealistic. Maybe dominating more of one game makes sense - dominating for 70 minutes would be nice. But we've got to remember that being consistently dominant over the course of a 9-10 month season is very rare. We've looked at Man City as the standard of what a "great team" does, but they are not normal. It is unrealistic to expect teams to dominate for a whole season. Liverpool is leading the league, and we are all saying we think they will drop off some because that is to be expected. Even top, top teams have rough patches in most seasons. Personally, I worry that if we don't win something this year, we will find it incredibly difficult to keep some of our stars. When do Saliba, Saka, Gabriel, and others start looking elsewhere if they can't win at Arsenal? We MUST complete the cycle with this squad. To not do it would be criminal.
I would happily bounce on the Prem if we finally held the Champions League trophy. I love Arsenal, I want to see the boys succeed so much, but on their paygrade and at this level you have to be ruthless. Hope to see something big in the January window
51:50 : It's Not that they didn't take the Tournaments Seriously, It's because Arsenal hasn't the team that can grind through a Season picking up wins across the Tournaments. Arsenal Players aren't built to do it. There Isn’t many Teams that have the Player's and Mentality to do so in the Premier League and sorry to say, Arsenal Are one of them! Good Luck v Monaco... Probably end 2-2 or 2-1 Monaco
Yeah.. I look at rice at that role and I feel like he’s suppose to be offering close to what odegaard is offering. If after that huge amount, Mikel still starts Partey at the DM position, then rice needs to stay on the bench for a while for us to see odegaard, Nwaneri and Partey in midfield. Anyone at that left Midfield role needs to be combining well with the left position just like saka and odegaard or on his own he producing results ( clear assists and goals)
Dont know what the hell happened to Martinelli, I remember thinking he might get better than Saka and Klopp raving about him all the time, but he never stepped up i guess... But Arteta seemed to know it though, he was always trying to replace him, we were linked with Nico Williams, Mudryk etc., but just couldnt sign them and went for Trossard instead. Also on Calafiori, he seems more injury prone than Tomiyasu and Zinchenko combined, seems could be a mistake signing to be honest. The quicker we can sell him off the better for us.
You know that there is no such thing as a curse, right? His injuries finished him and he's too old to recover fully. I like Jesus, but his career is over.
If we play Declan Rice as the 6 without having another baller alongside odrgard we will struggle. Similar to for England Declan doesn't have the skill to turn out on the half turn under pressure to create space and release the ball quickly which partey does. Agree can't rely on him though.
the lost to Bmouth is costing still, then when we need something diff we just don't have it! we need new left winger but Artetas style needs to improve as well
Real talk ladz❤️ Arteta is a problem Kronke has put him out there on a big salary to be their shield He is still a novice w little experience and outvof his depth Will not get this team over the line - too many mistakes Merino is bang average Our attackers play in midfield - did the sam w auba and laca Pepe was better finisher than Havertz
I'm Arteta's number one supporter but I think his ITK disposition is killing us. It was collectively agreed that we buy Osimhen last summer. Edu travelled to watch him at the Afcon and began preliminary talks with his agent, he returned to the UK to find out that Arteta changed his mind preferring to stick with Kai instead. That, with other undesirable transfer decisions Arteta took led to Edu's resignation because he had enough.
Conte went to Italy and the first thing he did was to get rid of Oshimen. No ifs. No buts. No see how much he will cost transfer wise... Now they are 2nd in Seria A. And you want to sign him of all people? 😂
@@findingaetherthey got rid of Osimhen because they couldn't pay his wages anymore and no club was willing to pay €120m release clause, and not because he was of no quality. Lukaku is struggling there while Osimhen is ripping the Turkish league to pieces just as he did in Italy.
@edzico1908 napoli are literally 2nd in Seria A. And a 300 year old Edin Dzeko is ripping up the Turkish league. No big club will go for Oshimen. He has already peaked with Napoli. Saudi is his next destination.
Its clear we need a striker now and Arsenal will sign a forward this summer. My worry is we end up signing ferran torres or someone of that ilk. We need a A list striker. A Gyökeres or isak. James is right with the timber leftback and partey right back situation. I have backed Arteta since day one and never waived. This had really annoyed me a lot more that i thought it would,its also because its not the first time. Ps we are not getting anyone in the summer either, and will use edu leaving as an excuse 😅
44:16 well said Sheroy. Martinelli is not even a great squad player for a title winning side. He was a year ago. When he had his pace. We need to move past him if we are planning to win the title now and not 3 years later when he finally might have his career best season.
41:50 Damn until this point it looked like two ppl who understand football well. Rice as a number 6 holy fuck 🤣 There is a reason he plays as an 8. Our worst run of last season was with him as a 6. He's been atrocious at that role for both us and England. Can play as a 6 only for the West Hams of the world.
Sterling Jesus Trossard Nwaneri Partey Odegaard Zinchenko Calafiori Saliba Timber Raya Here are our problems. Too defensive. Not overloading the middle. Not enough skillful/technical/creative/tiki taka capable players on the pitch. Always shoot at a tight angle/too far out.
Is the ruthlessness potentially held back by the Kroenke’s? I just wish we knew who was responsible for what. For me, it’s the Havertz signing. No matter what anyone says about him, he was bought to replace Xhaka - it was a ridiculously arrogant and unnecessary move by Arteta to try and ‘rescue’ Havertz and make him do something he hadn’t proved in this league. Not only did he blow 65mil on him, he was arrogant enough to make him our highest paid player. That has hamstrung us and it’s just so frustrating that he went ahead and did that.
I'm sorry, but Arteta should be judged for his overall tenure and not a game-ten games-this or last season. And his overall work is simply not good enough. Patience, trust, money - those were 3 major investments into his cadence and he didn't provide THE RESULT. YES, we improved, but after all these multiple steps forward, we somehow make almost the same amount of steps back, which doesn't sound like much of improvement. MY lowest bar of acceptance is a Carabao/FACup whilst challenging for the title. And that was the expectation even BEFORE our controversial transfer window. Anything BUT - he just has to be sacked or go himself. We spoken about these problems a lot: Transfers (overpaying and shocking OUT business), Scouting (are the players we sign, good enough, espacially in the long run), Artetastein Experiments (Players our of positions: Zinchenko, Calafiori, Partey, Rice, Tomiyasu and arguably Timber, White, Trossard, Jesus, Havertz and even Martinelli). Same mistakes - year in, year out.
If a normal working person is under performing in their job, most likely they are moved on or replaced, it’s no different. It’s time to level up to get over the line.
The sad reality is, when you're going against the best sides/players/managers in the world, and you're a guy that evidently has the potential to be elite, but is still learning his trade, these mistakes cost you in a big way against the best of the best. I don't think it's fair that us Arsenal fans that have been waiting over 20 years to see our team win a major, have to continue to be patient, while our inexperienced manager learns on the job, and may or may not get it right in a few years. I'm tired of waiting.
@DarrenTaylor-be5hf ah, he's back stalking me with yet another fake account. How many times have I called you out you 🧚♂️, you flap it every time, so go bout your business. Block A, lower tier, seat 10, that's where I was for the utd game, where were you big man? Sitting at home calling others plastics lmao 🤡.
Guys I’m sorry to say we look a mid table team. With players like Kivior Martinelli Trossard Zinny Jesus still playing so many minutes we just cannot expect to win anything big 6:15
Us Arsenal fans shouldn’t be shocked up front we are literally the same team as last year. . . How and why should we expect a different result. Additionally teams like Chelsea don’t surprise me. They were t going to stay crap forever this is why when it’s a 2 horse race you need to do what you can and seize your opportunity.
Zinchenko, Gabriel and Califiori are not injured. The manager chose to rest these players. He lied about them being injured. He did the same thing against West Ham when he lied that Partey and Merino were injured. This is his idea of rotation. SMH.
Not playing kiwior at left back such a clutch at straws to criticise. Yeah, thats what was missing vs Fulham. 🙄 Recruitment has been bad. We've got what we paid for in most cases, which ISNT a good thing.
Odegard is the blame.That's how I see it. Captain Playmaker constantly played only, or 90% of the time, on the right hand of the field. His distribution is very poor unless he is playing with Saka. You keep plaming the left side when playing in front of the Ukrainian; even if it was saka will become lower level. The tactics and slow energy did affect the performance. Arteta, if he doesn't win the league this year, I don't want to see him pass this year. The players need a different world-class manager; hire Klob. He is the man.
James, While I agree that we need better players in the final 3rd....Bukayo is quality in the final 3rd. Don't u dare say again that Arsenal does not have quality in the final 3rd.
Dude, what are you talking about? One of best defenses in Europe, the best creative midfielder in league in absence of kdb, best dm in league in absence of rodri, one of best dms who can play out of the back in partey, second best right winger in league, one of best false 9s out there and we don't have the squad??? What are you smoking. You can always have better players but alonso or slot would have done much more with this squad. Arteta has done well but don't talk about the squad not being there, how much money the club spent, not like the club didn't back the manager. Slot would have loved to have havertz, partey, timber, calafiori, odegaard. Also teta wjth the help of edu built this squad no? All are his players now
Every time we say Partey is good we know it’s still levels off his first season. Seems to be averaging a couple mis-passes every game one of those may hurt us
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This one was much needed 🙏🏽
big up Sheroy
Sheroy do you think Jesus has been a worse signing than Brennan Johnson?
@@joshhenry2389can’t compare when Jesus had an acl injury n havertz took his place since then Brennan Johnson has had no injury n plays with no pressure every week
@@goonernelz6197 yes you can compare and lol this isn’t true
Nice to see Mikel Merino taking time out to do a podcast😂
U gonna say this every video lol.
He's mostly on the bench so needs something to do 😅
Jokes boring lad
He's been missing training and its not gone well with the manager
@@aegonbreakspear9102 nah still got a few more months left mate🤣🤣😭😭
Thank you guys for always being honest. Some of the best Arsenal reps in the game!!!!! FACTS
Super kind thank you so much
25:23 It was Mo Salah, Klopp wanted Julian Brandt and he was told by Michael Edwards to shut it. They went against their manager and got Mo for 42 mil
Saka is the only forward at the club who isn't dispensable. We've all known it for a while - whether we wanted to admit it or not.
My worry is that the team has been challenging three seasons now and some players have overstayed their usefulness. The problem is the manager is so selective in how he is ruthless and wants total control. I do not think Arteta can manage players who have a chip on their shoulder. The club takes so much time to move players and then we always looking at ex Chelsea or Man city players. We also are poor at recruitment as we buy player who are injury prone.
Being world class is also about being consistent. Until we get there, we should not rest.
Yet, we support the club even during failure.
#COYG
This is a very good and important point to make. I would support Arsenal even if they played in the 3rd or 4th tier. It's my club, period. Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. But if people say we're bottlers, then I say that there is one thing we can do about it: don't bottle it.
@@surabaya5927 "I would support Arsenal even if they played in the 3rd or 4th tier. It's my club, period" says Puddi Boy who hasn't got a pot to piss in and thinks Islington is in Islamabad near Chicago
Wurtless bwoy
Martinelli gives us a valuable skillset that makes him necessary for our squad, but there are MANY wingers that do what he does a whole lot better.
Martinelli somehow doesn't seem to develop to the next level.
@@surabaya5927 Lets stop expecting a skill set from Martinelli that he doesn't have in his locker which is beating his marker, a deadly finisher, creating scoring chances. Martinelli does not have the above technical abilities which is not his fault, unfortunately the expectations of the team have outgrown his skill-set. team needs a Rodriygo level type of winger maybe Ademola
@phindadlamini35 I have to confess that I like Martinelli a lot, but it really looks like he can't get to the next level. That's sad.
What skillset does he actually give
@@surabaya5927 Because Arteta's ruined him Puddi Boy
Trossard scored 17 goals last season and had 9 assist he is on course to do the same again this season.
Season before that he was doing nice and Arteta took him off for Jesus ince he csme back from injury ….
Astonishing to hear their summation of Trossard’s value to the team.
This is why stats are so misleading. And this is why he's so selfish.
Such a breath of fresh air hearing guys like the both of you, Curtis Shaw, Turkish, Dan Potts and Lee Gunner who speak the truth and dont tip toe around the real issues.
These two are nothing like Lee and Dan. These are real supporters.
@Just__t5661 yet they are saying all the things Lee and Dan say. Youch grass dawg
The conversation starts and ends with Arteta. Its been 5 years and yet here we are still seeing gaping holes in this squad. he has had more than enough time, money and backing to build a squad that is ready. You have to compare it to Pep and Klopp. Did their squads have all these issues after 5 years? He has CHOSEN to not bolster the frontline. He has chosen to buy defender after defender, left back after left back, goalkeeper after goalkeeper.
I will give him the summer to see if he upgrades the attack, I get wanting to build the foundation from the back and in the middle, I think that has largely worked because on the whole our defense has been our best asset it's just unfortunate this season we have had so many injuries to the back line. There is absolutely no excuse to not offload Jesus, Nelson, tierney and co asap and get another striker and a top left winger and another creative midfielder, isak, wirtz and rodrygo/Williams pretty much completes our team
To be honest, given our problems with injuries in the backline, he’s been right to bolster that area too. Let’s be fair.
@@antw06 also in regards to Liverpool and city not having holes in their squad, city have no proper back up for rodri or haaland, an injury to either is a nightmare and because they haven't gotten back up for rodri they have fallen off a cliff this season, Liverpool don't have much back up in the midfield and are an injury or 2 away from a crisis in that position, they don't have a quality back up for Salah either, no team has perfect backup options and tbh the way Arteta has purchased defenders who can play multiple positions is a big reason why we have managed ok this season despite so many players being injured.
Great to see you two back together. Both of you are amazing, and do awesome work! Easily my favourite Arsenal-related content creators.
So true boys, some good perspectives. We play percentages football with no gun man on top. Mourinho did it with Drogba at Chelsea, milito and eto and inter. Simeone with prime griezman, Suarez a couple years ago. We’re trying to do it with havertz and Jesus and a none existent left flank. We have to be PERFECT to win games and as soon as we drop a notch below perfection we struggle badly. Feel sorry for rice, Saka, timber, gabriel and saliba, odegaard. Cuz these guys deserve some real world class talent around them
We need to break the bank for Isak. Someone that can replicate what Auba was doing when he played off the left. We know his quality doing the middle but I’m convinced that even if Arteta wants to have a front 3 of Isak Havertz and Saka that forward line can get 60+ goals a season
I think there’s an ego with Arteta as well, where he doesn’t want any one player to rise above his system and be viewed as the star, but we just need another difference maker alongside Saka, that could even be Odegaard if he shot the ball more
Very informed discussion. Thank you.
I'd be interested to hear your views on the qualities of our midfield. For me, there isn't the trickery to go past a player and then create the space for a through pass, or enough vision. Rice, Merino, Partey, Giorginho are all solid but not consistently creative enough. You didn’t talk in this show about Nwaneri. Isn’t he the kind of spark we need in midfield?
At present it's all too predictable and slow in the build up because nobody in midfield can go past a player.
Guests would be a nice bonus but honestly you both are such a great partnership and bounce off eachother so well the show is already good enough. Refreshing to just hear good and honest grounded takes without going over the top or being afraid to be critical where needed. 👍 Hopefully we can get our season back on track!
One word. EDU! Why Are no one questioning him leaving? Mikel 100% made that happen, he has held us back ever since we started challenging
10:50, he also did the same thing in the Europa league knock out game a few seasons back, tierney injured moves Xhaka to leftback.
Loved this! Summed up exactly how I feel about this team. Good to hear your solutions but we need to act. Time for the club to take action.
Very refreshing to see some Arteta criticism on mainstream Arsenal pages.
Essentially we need a striker, left winger, left centre mid and, after a clear out, a defender. The club utterly failed in last summer’s transfer window.
Sheroy is spot on here about the lack of the killer striker needed in tight games still missing from our line up
#big up mikel merino...u r doing well outside of the pitch
Totally 💯 percent with James
Slightly Off topic: What do you think of Tijjani Reijnders from AC Milan as our number 8 - he would be the perfect xhaka replacement, he is so physical, yet technically gifted and a great creator, could fix our left hand side - but would prob cost like 60-80 mil I would think
The pod is worth the wait, love the guests but also love an episode with just the two of you ❤
My theory of why Arteta hasn’t bought a top top striker or left winger yet is that he builds his squad like he plays his football. Think about it.
He has a 5 stages roadmap to go from a squad of (almost nobody) he wants to his dream team. He can’t obviously buy all the players at once. So he starts to strengthen the defence first. And the midfield. He bought Jesus too. And then back ups for defence and midfield, just in case we need them (do we need them? Looks like we do right now )
No one could have expected Jesus falling off a cliff during the building process. Havertz needs to step in and does okay.
The club can’t spend endlessly money and there are also market opportunities that one has to take. And the lack of market opportunities too.
We are not at stage 5 yet, are we?
Calafiori and Merino were opportunities last window. Calafiori is the future and has potential to be world class and Merino is a winner. You have to take them.
What striker was really available? What LW?
And let’s not forget that Martinelli could have been a really good player, even though it doesn’t look like it right now.
And let’s not forget that we are really unlucky this year. That’s no excuse, it’s a fact. You can’t ignore that. The amount of injuries start to become ridiculous. Ødegaard is playing with a painful foot. Nwaneri is a bit too young, but he needs space in the squad.
Anyway. I think we are on the right track. Once we are at stage 5 and we don’t start winning trophies, I‘ll start to question Arteta. Until then I realise that I don’t know anything about football compared to him and the staff.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
I agree. I think besides the injuries, Partey's return to quality is a problem.Sounds contradictory but think about it. Rice is a 6. Partey is in his spot. Merino needs to play and form relationships with Martinelli.
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What do you mean it would “do the business” to put MLS at left back for this Fulham game?
Aren’t our best results coming when we have a solid back line? This is the same squad that scored the most goals in a season last year.
We played against Fulham without 4 first ix defenders. And all you can focus on what you assume are easy answers “get someone who makes a difference!”.
Can’t deal with sentences like “we can see it’s so obvious” it’s obvious that without the ridiculous red cards earlier in the season we would probably be in a healthier position on the table and we wouldn’t be yapping about our forward line like you know something Arteta doesn’t
Id actually be fine with selling martinelli and keeping trossard as a back up for a nico williams or someone on that level as he would likely fetch a higher fee, trossard can play in the 8 at a push as well
Nice to hear two eloquent Arsenal fans for a change.
Great show as always guys!
Enjoyed the player ratings, thanks guys
Maybe you hit the nail on the head james, the reluctance to get that player profile with almost a fear of them not being almost robotic and to the system... i mean prime example surely Arteta knew how good C Palmer was...
Kiwior deserves more credit.
In a possession heavy side he will have his moments - smart passer.
His defensive frailties are to be expected for the squad player price he came on. If he can learn and eliminate those from more game time he may be an able deputy for Gabriel.
At some point we may cash in on Gabriel a few more seasons from now
Brilliant show 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽, as fans, we need to be honest and ruthless regardless of how much we like certain players.
The fantastic duo ❤
True, there is alot of gas lighting especially with arsenal podcasts
Nice Goon Caves in the Goonerverse lads! 😉😉
why does Merino have waves
There are faults with the hierarchy but dont get it twisted arteta has been backed the problem is A) hes stubborn and B) he is not surrounded by people that can overrule him. C) he moves as if his job not on the line because it is not.
If your job is on the line you do not pay 65mil to play kai havertz in midfield. If your job is on the line you do not buy another left back over a striker. If your job is on the line runnarson, sambi, viera never make it to the club.
Im not arteta out but honestly im kinda done with him if he doesnt win major honours. Weve had about half a dozen centre backs/left backs. We still dont have a left sided eight that we are happy with. We still need a striker. Still need a left winger that starts. Still need a right winger. Still need an attacking midfielder. The things we needed last season.
I agree overall with the shortcomings mentioned - the striker thing just seems silly... why doesn't Arsenal have a top class striker yet? But I think the question of being a "one half team" or "half season team" was a little unrealistic. Maybe dominating more of one game makes sense - dominating for 70 minutes would be nice. But we've got to remember that being consistently dominant over the course of a 9-10 month season is very rare. We've looked at Man City as the standard of what a "great team" does, but they are not normal. It is unrealistic to expect teams to dominate for a whole season. Liverpool is leading the league, and we are all saying we think they will drop off some because that is to be expected. Even top, top teams have rough patches in most seasons.
Personally, I worry that if we don't win something this year, we will find it incredibly difficult to keep some of our stars. When do Saliba, Saka, Gabriel, and others start looking elsewhere if they can't win at Arsenal? We MUST complete the cycle with this squad. To not do it would be criminal.
Big up my best arsenal football analysts.
Applies to the manager too?
"Im not angry im sad" that hits hard for every arsenal supporter. Shit feeling
I would happily bounce on the Prem if we finally held the Champions League trophy. I love Arsenal, I want to see the boys succeed so much, but on their paygrade and at this level you have to be ruthless. Hope to see something big in the January window
51:50 : It's Not that they didn't take the Tournaments Seriously, It's because Arsenal hasn't the team that can grind through a Season picking up wins across the Tournaments. Arsenal Players aren't built to do it. There Isn’t many Teams that have the Player's and Mentality to do so in the Premier League and sorry to say, Arsenal Are one of them!
Good Luck v Monaco... Probably end 2-2 or 2-1 Monaco
Yeah wasn't aware Cesc Fabregas' side hustle is podcasting under the alias Sheroy
But will we be ruthless about Rice?!?!?! No we wont.
Yeah..
I look at rice at that role and I feel like he’s suppose to be offering close to what odegaard is offering.
If after that huge amount, Mikel still starts Partey at the DM position, then rice needs to stay on the bench for a while for us to see odegaard, Nwaneri and Partey in midfield. Anyone at that left Midfield role needs to be combining well with the left position just like saka and odegaard or on his own he producing results ( clear assists and goals)
What cost us last year was Havertz either not playing or playing in midfield. Those are the games we either lost. That’s what the data shows
Dont know what the hell happened to Martinelli, I remember thinking he might get better than Saka and Klopp raving about him all the time, but he never stepped up i guess... But Arteta seemed to know it though, he was always trying to replace him, we were linked with Nico Williams, Mudryk etc., but just couldnt sign them and went for Trossard instead. Also on Calafiori, he seems more injury prone than Tomiyasu and Zinchenko combined, seems could be a mistake signing to be honest. The quicker we can sell him off the better for us.
Jesus I would say it's the 'curse of the no. 9' unfortunately sigh
You know that there is no such thing as a curse, right? His injuries finished him and he's too old to recover fully. I like Jesus, but his career is over.
Gabriel, Zinny, Calafiori, Partey and Timber all missed recorded training today... Hopefully its dark arts otherwise....
No disrespect, but this “dark arts” talk seems silly to me. Seems like what an overthinking tinkerman does…
If we play Declan Rice as the 6 without having another baller alongside odrgard we will struggle. Similar to for England Declan doesn't have the skill to turn out on the half turn under pressure to create space and release the ball quickly which partey does. Agree can't rely on him though.
I can’t understand this take on kiwior because he has performers so far this season.
Nico Williams would be perfect for us.
Would he be? I haven’t watched him at all since the euros and he has played 15 games in La liga and has 1 goal and 3 assists. Not great output
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@@Neatguyjake stats alone cannot validate or invalidate a selection, it’s why we bought and stuck with Thierry Henry rather than Kevin Phillips.
the lost to Bmouth is costing still, then when we need something diff we just don't have it! we need new left winger but Artetas style needs to improve as well
Real talk ladz❤️
Arteta is a problem
Kronke has put him out there on a big salary to be their shield
He is still a novice w little experience and outvof his depth
Will not get this team over the line - too many mistakes
Merino is bang average
Our attackers play in midfield - did the sam w auba and laca
Pepe was better finisher than Havertz
I'm Arteta's number one supporter but I think his ITK disposition is killing us. It was collectively agreed that we buy Osimhen last summer. Edu travelled to watch him at the Afcon and began preliminary talks with his agent, he returned to the UK to find out that Arteta changed his mind preferring to stick with Kai instead. That, with other undesirable transfer decisions Arteta took led to Edu's resignation because he had enough.
Chatting nonsense because I know that isn’t true
Conte went to Italy and the first thing he did was to get rid of Oshimen. No ifs. No buts. No see how much he will cost transfer wise... Now they are 2nd in Seria A. And you want to sign him of all people? 😂
@@findingaether Findingexcusesforfailure back again finding excuses for failure
@@findingaetherthey got rid of Osimhen because they couldn't pay his wages anymore and no club was willing to pay €120m release clause, and not because he was of no quality. Lukaku is struggling there while Osimhen is ripping the Turkish league to pieces just as he did in Italy.
@edzico1908 napoli are literally 2nd in Seria A. And a 300 year old Edin Dzeko is ripping up the Turkish league. No big club will go for Oshimen. He has already peaked with Napoli. Saudi is his next destination.
Not signing a striker to bring the title home this season is beyond me .
Its clear we need a striker now and Arsenal will sign a forward this summer. My worry is we end up signing ferran torres or someone of that ilk. We need a A list striker. A Gyökeres or isak. James is right with the timber leftback and partey right back situation. I have backed Arteta since day one and never waived. This had really annoyed me a lot more that i thought it would,its also because its not the first time. Ps we are not getting anyone in the summer either, and will use edu leaving as an excuse 😅
I genuinely thought the Merino takes would end after like a week... yet it's impossible NOT to watch Sheroy and be like "Damn... Merino..."
44:16 well said Sheroy. Martinelli is not even a great squad player for a title winning side.
He was a year ago. When he had his pace. We need to move past him if we are planning to win the title now and not 3 years later when he finally might have his career best season.
our strikers are getting very few opportunities and taking very few shots...most elite strikers need service and i'm not seeing it from our midfield.
We actually dominated the whole game against Fulham
I bet Arsenal are kicking themselves giving Tomi a longer contract right before the season started
Arteta is showing more and more that his coaching style is if it isn't broken, fix it until it is 🤔
Bring in the Big CUNHA 💪 from Wolverhampton
Elite linkup
41:50 Damn until this point it looked like two ppl who understand football well. Rice as a number 6 holy fuck 🤣
There is a reason he plays as an 8. Our worst run of last season was with him as a 6. He's been atrocious at that role for both us and England. Can play as a 6 only for the West Hams of the world.
Sterling Jesus Trossard
Nwaneri Partey Odegaard
Zinchenko Calafiori Saliba Timber
Raya
Here are our problems.
Too defensive.
Not overloading the middle.
Not enough skillful/technical/creative/tiki taka capable players on the pitch.
Always shoot at a tight angle/too far out.
our fanbase have the favourites and those favourites are garbage
@@thierryhenry674 never cook again. This 11 is terrible
Is the ruthlessness potentially held back by the Kroenke’s? I just wish we knew who was responsible for what.
For me, it’s the Havertz signing. No matter what anyone says about him, he was bought to replace Xhaka - it was a ridiculously arrogant and unnecessary move by Arteta to try and ‘rescue’ Havertz and make him do something he hadn’t proved in this league.
Not only did he blow 65mil on him, he was arrogant enough to make him our highest paid player. That has hamstrung us and it’s just so frustrating that he went ahead and did that.
Our entire backline (bar saliba) is out injured. We sign defenders only for them to be injured. Smh.
I'm sorry, but Arteta should be judged for his overall tenure and not a game-ten games-this or last season. And his overall work is simply not good enough. Patience, trust, money - those were 3 major investments into his cadence and he didn't provide THE RESULT. YES, we improved, but after all these multiple steps forward, we somehow make almost the same amount of steps back, which doesn't sound like much of improvement.
MY lowest bar of acceptance is a Carabao/FACup whilst challenging for the title. And that was the expectation even BEFORE our controversial transfer window. Anything BUT - he just has to be sacked or go himself. We spoken about these problems a lot: Transfers (overpaying and shocking OUT business), Scouting (are the players we sign, good enough, espacially in the long run), Artetastein Experiments (Players our of positions: Zinchenko, Calafiori, Partey, Rice, Tomiyasu and arguably Timber, White, Trossard, Jesus, Havertz and even Martinelli). Same mistakes - year in, year out.
Arteta LITERALLY said this is the best ownership he's ever seen, now you're making excuses and saying you're not an ultra Arteta fan. Come on
We have as big a problem at LW as we have at Striker IMO. Troussard and Martinelli are supersubs at best. Sterling clearly doesn’t work .
If a normal working person is under performing in their job, most likely they are moved on or replaced, it’s no different. It’s time to level up to get over the line.
The sad reality is, when you're going against the best sides/players/managers in the world, and you're a guy that evidently has the potential to be elite, but is still learning his trade, these mistakes cost you in a big way against the best of the best. I don't think it's fair that us Arsenal fans that have been waiting over 20 years to see our team win a major, have to continue to be patient, while our inexperienced manager learns on the job, and may or may not get it right in a few years. I'm tired of waiting.
The sad reality is, when you're going against the best sides/players/managers in the world, our small club hire a cone layer to manage us
@DarrenTaylor-be5hf kind of just repeated what I said mate, but erm, ye.
@deeray4637 I'm not your mate plastic
@DarrenTaylor-be5hf ah, he's back stalking me with yet another fake account. How many times have I called you out you 🧚♂️, you flap it every time, so go bout your business. Block A, lower tier, seat 10, that's where I was for the utd game, where were you big man? Sitting at home calling others plastics lmao 🤡.
Not expecting Arteta to win premier league at all.
Guys I’m sorry to say we look a mid table team. With players like Kivior Martinelli Trossard Zinny Jesus still playing so many minutes we just cannot expect to win anything big 6:15
Us Arsenal fans shouldn’t be shocked up front we are literally the same team as last year. . . How and why should we expect a different result.
Additionally teams like Chelsea don’t surprise me. They were t going to stay crap forever this is why when it’s a 2 horse race you need to do what you can and seize your opportunity.
8th choice is crazy 😂😂
Sorry guys, I give up
Never give up!!!
Merino is a starter for me.
I finally like Havertz, he's finally playing to an acceptable standard. Get us a LW and play Rice LB. Xhaka played LB.
Play Saka in foden/Palmer role
No defensive responsibility
Watch him win the ballon Dor!
We need proper wingers like Neto, Williams!
Zinchenko, Gabriel and Califiori are not injured. The manager chose to rest these players. He lied about them being injured. He did the same thing against West Ham when he lied that Partey and Merino were injured. This is his idea of rotation. SMH.
Not playing kiwior at left back such a clutch at straws to criticise. Yeah, thats what was missing vs Fulham. 🙄
Recruitment has been bad. We've got what we paid for in most cases, which ISNT a good thing.
Money is a non factor- we splashed 80 mil on merino+ calafiori instead of a striker!
Non of which was needed
Odegard is the blame.That's how I see it. Captain Playmaker constantly played only, or 90% of the time, on the right hand of the field. His distribution is very poor unless he is playing with Saka. You keep plaming the left side when playing in front of the Ukrainian; even if it was saka will become lower level. The tactics and slow energy did affect the performance. Arteta, if he doesn't win the league this year, I don't want to see him pass this year. The players need a different world-class manager; hire Klob. He is the man.
James, While I agree that we need better players in the final 3rd....Bukayo is quality in the final 3rd. Don't u dare say again that Arsenal does not have quality in the final 3rd.
Need a striker and a left winger who is a direct threat on the transition as the left is very under profiled vs the right
James you should just get Alex back😂
Martinelli - you can’t have a squad player on £180k a week lol
Arteta’s biggest problem:
Arteta
Dude, what are you talking about? One of best defenses in Europe, the best creative midfielder in league in absence of kdb, best dm in league in absence of rodri, one of best dms who can play out of the back in partey, second best right winger in league, one of best false 9s out there and we don't have the squad??? What are you smoking. You can always have better players but alonso or slot would have done much more with this squad. Arteta has done well but don't talk about the squad not being there, how much money the club spent, not like the club didn't back the manager. Slot would have loved to have havertz, partey, timber, calafiori, odegaard. Also teta wjth the help of edu built this squad no? All are his players now
How about jota in Liverpool......how come they haven't moved him on.
If arsenal win more than 1 goal, they will take second place of Champion League table tonight.
Simply put! Grow up! Your negativity is typical!
20 years without a title, and fake fans like you make excuses every time we fail. Sorry, some of us aren’t happy with failure and mediocrity
Every time we say Partey is good we know it’s still levels off his first season. Seems to be averaging a couple mis-passes every game one of those may hurt us