I'm surprised she wasn't dead at that weight as anorexic patients have been known to die at weights heavier than that. 22kg is some serious level famine or concentration camp thin.
In China, everyone is complaining they are not thin enough, not pale enough, not rich enough, not tall enough, not hot enough, not young enough, not smart enough etc. And Chinese judge each other constantly. If you think this is good, that girls should judge their weight constantly, and that mentality is attractive, just remember they are also judging your wallet, your height, your education all the time too.
Ture, I am from China, the whole country is a dystopia, a gigantic reality 1984, people judge your car, your income, your appearance, your social status, your height, your home address, your parents, this is insane.
Junho Tan not just China tho. The entire East Asia have this mentality, some are just better at hiding and only judge quietly, some can’t do this anymore because economic stagnation (Japan).
But your value does show via your body. Your character shows through your size. Eating a lot and not working out is easy - anyone can do that. But taking care of yourself and being able to control yourself will always be positive traits in a society.
@@thomasmaier7053 There's a condition that affects only women called lipoedema (also spelled lipedema). I didn't know I had it when I was a 47 kg teenager, but a female classmate once asked me "why I are skinny from the waist up and chubby from the waist down". I honestly didn't know. I asked my mum and at that time there was the "pear shape" theory. Now those skinny arms turned huge. It's officially lipoedema. My BMI is slightly overweight. I eat super healthy, 1300 k/c day, vegetarian. I am a bit sedentary due to treatment resistant major depression and PTSD, but even if I exercised enough to lose those 8 kg extra, those huge thighs and buttocks and now new huge upper arms wouldn't change. That's lipoedema.
Sadly, due to my eating disorder, I was at that weight the time for a 167 cm height but now I am healing I have gained weight, I still need to gain more but I am proud of my progress and I will still continue to fight my disease 💪🏻❤
I think it was less at some point. Another comment here wrote 22. But yeah, 30kg can be normal for some short and naturally slim kid looking woman. Otherwise totally... Unhealthy, disorder level weight.
@@dodidodidabada1954 unless that person is below 4'6, 30 kg will NEVER be normal for an adult body. I am 5'0 and I was 34 kg at my lowest and my arms already looked like skin and bone.
My parents often neglected me so I was starved and emaciated growing up.. Girls would make fun of me calling me anorexic and trying to be a model not knowing there was no food at home. Then when I started living by myself and living life for the first time and gaining weight to a healthy amount, guys would make fun of me started saying I was getting fat 👁️👄👁️ there's no winning
I'm so sorry to hear that. People can be so uncaring and cruel. I hope you are able to experience a better quality of life now, despite some people's ignorant comments. Sending you love and hugs from Ireland. xx
I don’t think most people realize this, yes in most western countries we usually put the skinny and fit as the sexy thing, but that’s not the standard, it’s the standard in a lot of asian countries and it’s FAR WORST (I’m asian) in asian countries usually if you aren’t pretty/handsome, skinny, and light skinned you get hated on. Edit: I forgot also if you’re short yeah, you’re screwed too. Tall or nothing.
"The Ugliest Girl Group"? They're kids, what's wrong with people!? Couldn't they just let them do what made them happy without imposing their unrealistic and unfair standards on them? 💔 PS - they looked darned pretty, especially with the classic look going
Yea it's nice to think that rational people would never, but in reality, it's not like we don't bully child stars here in the west. Especially when it comes to their looks.
Kids are far more intelligent than most people think. Even if not told outright, this is how most children perceive most cultures - shallow and oppressive, and they're right.
When I was a pre-teen (early 2000s), I created a thinspo blog & really followed the lifestyle. Went through a long journey of crash dieting, fasting, purging, diet pills (esp the infamous phen-phen), fad diets, bullimia- everything. Im still friends with some of the girls that subscribed to my blog & we laughed about how weight obsessed we were when in reality we looked great back then. It was the early 2000s though, skinny was really in & my favorite super lowrise jeans. Back in those days, your upper-mid class parents sent you to fat camp if you were a little pudgy. (I went for two summers) My ex pro-ana girls remember those ridiculous mantras: "Nothing tastes as good as how it feels to be thin" "A touch [of food] on the lips is 10 pounds on the hips" "Waking up thinner, is worth going to bed hungry" "Hunger hurts but starving WORKS" "Because the pain of looking in the mirror (or on the scale) hurts more than starving" I could write a book. Teens, dont do this. Now Im in my 30s with stomach acid issues & an out of whack metabolism. Just eat healthy and exercise. Plus the weight loss from starving isn't permanent.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. My ED wasn’t as extreme, but I am also older now with stomach issues that I know are a result of my ED. My metabolism is so out of whack now, I could starve myself all day and eat a boiled egg, and still put on weight 😅 You have to eat and exercise, guys. Simple as that. Fuel your body, don’t go crazy, but treat yourself so you don’t feel like life is all about suffering. It’s okay to accept yourself at all stages. Only you should decide what’s best for you.
Yes absolutely! I went through this too and damn I was addicted to those blogs. Really depressing. Wow. Thanks for sharing this. I was there in early naughties too.
Same generation and I remember all of those phrases. It's absolutely insane how obsessed all of Western society was with being inhumanly thin during the 2000s. Remember gossip mags actually made us all believe Jessica Simpson & Kate Winslet were obese whales?
Reading these comments is scary. The path to eating disorders is pretty easy to go down. Even being "in shape/fit" can be dangerous if you get too extreme in how you accomplish it. I think people forget that society will always have something to say about you. You have to love yourself, first.
yeah i think a lot of people forget that working out and looking fit doesn't mean you are actually that healthy. i know that from personal experience with losing weight fast, working out for hours every day and feeling guilty if i missed even a day. meanwhile everyone is complimenting me and telling me i obviously no longer have a food problem because i'm fit now.... which just isn't how it works. i looked good sure, but i just went from one eating disorder to another. the obsession with food and body image doesn't end the moment you achieve your weight goals.
In the United States, starvation deaths are rare, China also has low starvation deaths. Obesity causes about 300,000 deaths yearly in the U.S. due to related health issues. In China, over 1 million deaths each year are linked to obesity-related conditions as obesity rates rise. In conclusion, most people worry too much about being too skinny and not enough about being too fat, and in the end it kills them.
Your comment doesn't make sense. You call someone under- or overweight when they are in the spots where it is attacking their health. Healthy is being neither of these two. Weight is very much impacting your health.
I think what's sad is a lot of women are comparing themselves to EDITED pictures of other women where their waist is drawn in or their legs are reduced in size and elongated, but what they're comparing themselves to and/or striving to achieve isn't even real... I remember reading an article about a Chinese actress who allegedly admitted that her legs were so skinny because she got fat drawn out from her legs/liposuction.
@@2bp827 you don’t live in china. Every girl there post edited photos it’s extreme they edit their bodies and faces and look unrecognizable in real life
@Getchee unfortunately Chinese people edit pretty much every photo they post on social media. it's so common that when you take group photos and post them you're expected to photoshop everyone's faces or else be accused of playing favouritism. Chinese people do not tend to have good relationships with our body image.
@@huzzahh I'm sure there are people who look like supermodels in public and there's no issue with that. What I'm referring to are extremely edited images that differ from reality and create unrealistic beauty standards.
I don't used social media much. But when I was using wechat & a Chinese brand phone, it has a "beauty filter" I guess everyone will eventually has an unrealistic version of themselves and others ladies. It can literally turn faces into doll face with big eyes
I'm not asian, but I feel this comment on such a deep level. I'm from Italy and this is exactly how my family treated me when I lived with them too. My mother especially. And this all while growing up too, when I was having other problems and was literally underweight, and they knew. Fast forward to now and I am very overweight because I'm pretty sure I did develop an eating disorder, just not the kind that makes you skinny and is generally accepted by society, yet I am still healthier and happier I have ever been in my life. My mother still tells me I should lose the weight by any means necessary every chance she gets tho
@@ianhomerpura8937 I'm from the provinces and I assure you that's not it. Being fat is not a status symbol, rather it's a result of someone's eating habits or just a genetic predisposition.
As a male who doesn't have a lot of female friends its very hard to understand how someone could go so far to killing themselves because they aren't skinny enough. However this video really puts into perspective how awful and terrible the body standards are for young women. Thank you vice for making this it really makes me thankful that I don't have to go through something like this and how hard it is for somebody else with body dysmorphia.
I'm in canada and ever since I was in elementary school I had a strong sense that people only saw value in me based on how beautiful I was. Every time my parents introduced me to someone they always started with "you're pretty!" Sometimes before hi, and at family reunions, there would be comments about how I looked. Sometimes nice sometimes not. More often not as I get older. From a young age (
@@장미-z2j you’re completely right, but we also have to consider that beauty standards have always been harsher for women and they are more likely to get shamed for their bodies and develop eating disorders
It's important to say that anorexia is the mental illness with the highest rate of deaths, an that it is 80% female. As someone who has suffered with ed's, id say the worst part is the hunger you feel all the time (obviously) but some people still think the problem with anorexia is that some people aren't hungry (like??). Anorexia is literally about starving yourself to thinness. It hurts so bad
yeah i also think anorexia ≠ not getting hungry but it does happen that some people really don’t feel that hungry although they should it sometimes happens to me but instead of hungry i feel tired especially when i didn’t have breakfast
I gotta say, as a guy who went thru anorexia i feel like there is nothing comparable to how it felt, literally being stuck in your mind all day every day, knowing you need to eat and feeling your body consume itself, just to accept your too weak to get up every night over and over. It breaks my heart that it’s considered desirable in some places
So true! In the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, which studied the best rehabilitation diet for people who have suffered from starvation, the participants became extremely preoccupied with food, so much that three individuals went on to become chefs and one went into agriculture. In the study, they mention that food became the focal point of conversations and some participants began reading cookbooks and collecting recipes. One man even collected over 100 cook books during the experiment. I still suffer from an ED myself, and I'd say 30%+ of my thoughts surround food and preparing it. This is sadly a lot higher when I'm trying to restrict my caloric consumption.
I was bullied growing up for being so skinny (I’m AA) and I felt so bad about myself I use to eat constantly only to weigh 90lb. Then I moved to Japan for a few years and I felt soo pretty there and was constantly complimented just to move back to the states and feel unattractive bc of my weight again.. gotta love cultural standards right lol
I'm sorry :( I think that such a noticeable difference between the average person's opinion in those two places only proves that beauty standards generally have nothing to do with what individuals actually find truly attractive and are really just ideas created by an outside force that individuals accept and refuse to challenge. You just proved that entire cultures of people will uphold standards that aren't even their own without question. The idea that a person can be pretty in one place and unattractive in another while looking exactly the same is pretty silly right? Lol
This is a huge thing also. I was made fun of, picked on, everything you can name just for being naturally skinny. I have a fast metabolism. Plus I'm tall, my body is mostly 65% legs. My doctor pretty much said, I could be tapping my finger and burning off everything I ate. I could eat and eat and eat and I was never "good enough" for others. My mom's friends actually started questioning her to ask if I was maybe anorexic, which I'm not but she swore up and down I never ate when I did. She knew I did! But then again she never sees what I do for her anyway, it's always she's right and everyone else is wrong. I've seen it like in real time how she denies and makes things up on the spot, and it's amazing how delusional a person can be. It's flabbergasting. Anyways, having to deal with that for years, and still dealing with it is maddening. The on the flipside, I gained a little bit of weight because I got older it's natural plus I eat a little bit more than I used to because I workout and I don't like being hungry. I'm not a size 0 anymore, I'm like a size 3-4 depending on the fabric of clothing and the clothing brand and store it comes from. And my dad (67), who won't admit he has an eating disorder and is obsessed with being under 120 pounds. The weight in his 20s and teen years. He will turn around and start calling me fat. And that's maddening too! I love food and love my body, I've gone through a crap ton of injuries and am thankful that it's carried me through every single one of them, but I'm super athletic and have always been considered a tomboy. But if someone has a problem with MY body, now and forever, it says more about them than me. And that's sad, especially if they're a grown ass adult. Thinking about all the damn girls I grew up with who picked on me for being skinny, my mom, and just whoever else, it's still makes me grit my teeth and gets on damn nerves how disgusting humans can be that they have to attack someone else about their weight because it's not to THEIR standards.
@@dreamlikediana the best way to gain weight is find a boyfriend you like and break up. you go through depression and you will eat a lot to gain weight. ok maybe my advice is a little to silly
@@BlueRice it's offensive actually. I myself have been bullies for being very skinny and I always ate a lot. Being skinny is influenced by a lot of things, gens, gut bacteria, diet, stress, etc
"If you can't seem my value because of my body, it's your problem, not mine. Loving yourself is acceptance. Loving yourself doesnt mean you give yourself a hundred marks. Loving yourself means accepting objectively your strengths and weaknesses." I LOVE THIS--SO WISE
Its so interesting how every country has their own beuty standards, I've lived in various countries primarily South America. One friend was really down on her body because she was "too thin" here in South America and primarily Brazil were I currently live, vuluptuous women are the cultural standard for "beauty". Naturally she felt ouf of this cultural norm, and I recall telling her "if you where in Asia you would be considered ideal, her being fair skin, long brunnete hair, tall and ofcourse thin
Your right! This is an interesting subject, especially from a psychological perspective. The funny thing about "cultural beauty standards" is that they tend to exist solely within the mind of the beholder. It's a projection of one's own personal insecurities or a side effect of an inferiority complex. I guess at the end of the day people just find it easier to blame society for having "unrealistic" standards then to look in a mirror and admit that they are failing to live up to their own, personal, unrealistic standards.
You're absolutely right, i live in Brazil, my family is Scottish, and I have broad shoulders and strong arms, i have to literally lift my weight in squats to conform to the norm. They would call me sem bunda, and gringa. Kinda distressing.
I am Puerto Rican but in places like the Philippines and Thailand I am considered attractive. Light skin , straight nose , straight hair etc. In Latin America I am an average Joe. In USA I am Latino and "low class".
I'm from Asia, but, I have a different story to tell. I am far more skinny now due to the fact that I listened to what they said about my weight and how ugly I looked. Now, that I am 22, a 5'5 woman, but only weighs 35 makes me sick.😫 Those people who told me that I look so ugly for being fat, now telling me that I look so old and ugly. How am I supposed to gain weight when all I do that time was listened to them, and now they want me again to gain weight. This time, I love what my body looks like and I am not going to listen to their ugly critics base on what I will look, but because it's starting to be unhealthy. What I am saying,love what and who you are. You know what you do to your body and you own whatever the ends maybe.
I live here in Shanghai for 3 years now as a fitness coach. Skinny women come to the gym to lose weight. And men telling girls they’re fat when they look well built. 🧐
Hearing what these women had to go through makes me so angry. I'm constantly having to tell people here in Taiwan that other people's weight is none of their f-ing business. I'm glad Alex and Popo have found a path that works for them, and I hope that Cindy's fitness journey stays on a healthy path.
The problem lyes in the fact that everyone feels entitled to criticize women’s weight / shape, generating so many insecurities and self-hate for the women receiving these mean comments. Like this unknown man who walked to the girl in the documentary just to tell her to lose weight - but who asked for your opinion ? This it’s these guys who need to get an education, respect boundaries and mind their own business. I love the attitude of the Zumba instructor and swing her smile when she dances at the end - girls self love is what truly makes someone attractive 🤍
Comments like that are common in China - unknown strangers will come to you on the street and start commenting on your appearance - whether you are fat, bold, muscular, blonde, etc. They have little personal boundaries.
LoL you are living in a delusion if you think guys are making these mean comments online. Most of them are from women. If you think guys notice all the small details these comments attack, you never met a normal dude. Go touch grass.
@@minyaw1234 I don't live in a delusion, I do understand what you are saying, I find it difficult to judge people, I take them as saying what they want. I respect that
@@duncanyourmate2433 I don't belive you. We all judge people not out loud but we all do it and to pretend we don't is just inhuman. But alot of things don't need to be said. Think it don't say it
As someone who's Chinese that's born overseas, it didn't really help that my Chinese family would all tease me for being chubby. It's pretty typical of the Chinese relatives to make such comments yet they keep forcing food down my throat. It was to a point where I would ran into my grandfather's room and cry there. And I vividly remember the first time this happened was when I was only 7 years old. It didn't stop there and as I grew older, the words began to leave even more scars. I eventually started to only eat once a day when I was in 8th grade and if I could estimate, my meal portion was less than 500 worth of calories. This lasted until the end of 9th grade when I opened up to my current friends(I only met them that same grade). And I honestly am grateful I did because after hearing what I went through, they made sure to help me regain my confidence and helped me go back to a healthy lifestyle. They didn't have to help me but they made the choice and for that, I owe them very much Nowadays, I just eat what I want, whenever I feel the need to do so although I do avoid certain highly processed food and fast food when I can(indulging in them once every few months). I also work out to get toned and to release stress which greatly contributed to my current healthy mental and physical wellbeing
Funny because in the west i hear alot that “asians are pretty but too small thin” infact Asians with more curve are highly regarded. Beauty standards are stupid. Variety is always best unless its unhealthy
@@Ninja-gt3zi That's the Western view of Asians. Unfortunately, if you're East Asian or Southeast Asian living in Asia, being thin is ideal (I excluded South Asian because I know that their culture actually prefer women to be curvy)... Variety is definitely best
The actress girl is so eloquent and extremely charming. I think its horrible that people had the audacity to call her fat and tell her she would never get the lead role because of her body. She has a perfectly healthy body, was a Zumba instructor, eats clean, and yet total strangers were harassing her on the street... I find it appalling and disgusting that people think they have the right to be rude to a person if she is not stick thin. This fat-shaming aspect of our culture, in both China and America, needs to change.
everyone commenting about how obesity should count as an eating disorder is missing the point of this video, I think. this is about unhealthy beauty standards and the eating habits of Asian people, specifically in China. you're references to American obesity are not really relevant here.
People love engaging in “what-about-isms”, rather than staying on topic. That’s why we can never resolve anything and find a common ground on the topic at hand.🤷🏻♀️
Tori-absolutely tori. You seem the same happening with the Russian invasion of ukraine. People keep saying things like: “oh what about America’s misadventures in syria?”
Some videos are deliberate. Many people have a wrong understanding of China (even Chinese). I'm Chinese, but I almost never eat rice. Maybe I eat less than Europeans. I mean, our staple food here is steamed bread (steamed with flour). I don't understand why someone chose this girl to shoot videos. Whether fat or thin, her appearance is not a popular type in the whole China. If the time goes back 3000 years, You will see that there are dozens of different races in China, including short blacks and so on. Many people see on the Internet that some Chinese people eat dogs or snakes, even mice, and human placentas. These eating habits are almost only in Guangdong Province. The differences between different places are huge. My skin color is whiter than some Westerners. The average height of our local area is 1.78m, while Guangdong, Fujian and other southern areas may be only 1.68m, Most Chinese immigrants overseas also come from these regions. Some people who do not know China often confuse filters with surgery and eating habits.
Fit has been associated with thin and yet that can be very deceiving. I have never been considered thin if anything a medium body build and yet in high school and later endeavors I was always amazed how I blew away others who would be considered thin when it came to sports needing strength and endurance. I would say that there is a fit level for everyone and that can look very different from person to person. Fit and healthy should be the goal not how thin you look. Here in the U.S. the goal seems to be thin as well and that can be a huge mistake.
Honestly I was the heaviest when I was the fittest. I did weight training, cheerleading and kickboxing, training for one or the other pretty much every day, and I was around 145 - 160 pounds. I got sick and ended up around 110 pounds, and everyone was congratulating me on my weight loss, telling me I looked healthy. People even started treating me better, which is screwed up. I started working out again, and even with a restricted diet I'm gaining weight. I know it's mostly muscle, but I'm struggling with it. I wasn't self conscious about my body until others constantly pecked me with their comments.
I used to lease student apartments at UT Austin and we had Chinese exchange students come for the summer. Every single one of their apartments had a scale in the kitchen (to weigh themselves) and a small food scale on the counter where they weighed out rice, etc. this was 10 years ago. The ability to be thin and controls one weight in their culture shows the ability to use self control, and other amiable traits in their culture. I’ve met so many Asian women who face extreme scrutiny about their weight. In American culture body standards ebb and flow but being thin has always been “in” just masked when we add things like BBL’s and implants. Ultimately the standard in most first world countries is to stay thin because food is plentiful. Whereas third world countries where food is scarce the body standards seem to be much more lax or based off of looking healthy and muscular. I grew up with 90’s Kate moss “heroin chic” weight being in. I developed an ED as did a lot of my peers and I am curious to see where culture leads as Gen Z seems to be more accepting of their bodies (not everyone but a decent amount compared to young millennials). Sadly women will always be held to a more rigid standard then men, as dad bods come into fashion and a man can look like a body builder or have a dad bod or extra meat on his bones and still be considered attractive. we see this in Hollywood and in our everyday lives. As someone who lost her health due to an ED and being hospitalized due to one, it’s not worth the Long term damage to your body. But having an ED isn’t about weight, it’s ultimately about being able to control something in your life wether it is your food or your weight. Sorry for the Ted Talk. Just my two cents.
Thanks for sharing your insight. I do think the male body image is definitely undermined by current day media as well. Young men feel like they should aspire to be the "fittest, and most attractive," while comparing themselves to "Insta" models and some ultimately use performing enhancing drugs like steroids or undergoing extreme dieting practices to try to achieve this goal. Men and women both experience these societal pressures, but in different forms.
@@HarbindBrar Did she write anywhere that men are not pressured to attain unhealthy beauty standards? If you care so much about this, make a vid or start an organisation that aims to support men. Or idk, ask Vice to do a video or article about it. Those "what about the men" comments are so f annoying.
@@HarbindBrar That can be true but most males specially those over 30 dont care much about the media or watching main stream tv or what social media spews so it doesnt really effect them like women who are easily influence through social media. Male are mostly effected by the other side of extreme which obesity diabetes hypertension by eating so much junk and fast food..
OMG it surprises me a lot that you guys managed to find Cindy. I remember them being such a phenomenon and the centre of attention (but in such a fucked-up way), i felt super bad for the girls. This brings back so many memories for me. I grew up in China and only just left 3 years ago so that mentality still feels so familiar and fresh to me. Literally every, no joke, every single woman i've met in china had told me at least once that they're trying to lose weight/they're on a diet cause they want to look thinner etc. and of course i was one of them. Took me some time and serious struggle to realize that THAT IS NOT NORMAL. I'm so glad the three girls are doing better now despite all the trauma.
I grew up fat shaming in China and this thing haunts me for my whole life. I am still feeling terrible everyday. The scariest thing is you are agreeing some of the things they said about you.
Reduced BMI below average is also responsible for unexpected health problems like infertility, mental health, insomnia... Workout and eat healthy plus eat limited fun foods / cheat meals ..
Kind of worried about Cindy. She admitted she’s practicing pretty heavy pilates and that her trainer shames her for eating too much, but in the end she said “I want to do this because i feel better.” Yeah, I’m not sure if that’s the reason.
Stress eating or the feeling of eating good food seems to be the reason. People shames her for eating just a little much and she doesn't want to be judged. Or just maybe the doctor diagnosed her problems from being too thin and that she needs to eat to be healthy. Pretty much the beauty standard not in China but the whole world
Thank you for sharing. As someone with knowledge of East Asian clothing sizes, I know they have smaller average bodies than your average European, North American, South American, South Asian and African woman (everyone else perhaps I should say). But exactly because of that, their "beauty standard" must be most difficult to obtain for girls who doesn't fit the average. I'm very glad Popo is overcoming anorexia and willing to talk about such taboo topic as mental health in China. I hope Cindy, as a former bullied child star, can find a middle ground. Very happy for Alex, who was able to find a place where she can do what she love and she is not judged. She is working out and having fun! I struggle with lipoedema and all my life I thought I was just "pear shaped", until something terrible happened in my usually skinny arms. The upper arms become huge. I was used to my big thighs and buttocks, but I was supposed to be "fat from the waist down, thin from the waist up". And it wasn't funny to wear children t-shirts at age 21. I felt absolutely embarrassed for my lack of proper adult woman breast size. Now I'm more worried about how lipoedema is such an unknown disease. Society and it's "beauty standards" damage young girls (and boys) self-esteem. It's in us, the adults, and specially the parents and teachers to correct that.
by curiosity, how you get diagnosed lipoedema. Because I searched quite a bit but I cannot really tell the difference (in early stages) between normal legs with cellulite and lipoedema. And in any case, leg fat is known to be stubborn.. what is your experience?
@@esthermas4703 I went to a specialist, a Vascular Surgeon, they are the specialist who can actually diagnose it, also Angiologist in some countries. Hope it helps.
Asians having smaller frames imo is a myth. yeah they might be smaller than Black women and some Europeans but they're not as tiny as people expect and claim them to be. Perhaps diet is part of the reason. when I was a teenager ik this Chinese girl who was born and raised in the west and was a few years younger than me. well she was about 5'4 and not as skinny as these girls. she wasn't necessarily pudgy, but neither was she as skinny. she had a soft body (what Jennie from Blackpink looked like predieting basically) and in fact she was larger in size and statue than me - someone who's considered white and if there's any asian blood in me it's minuscule. for Europeans who're non-mixed esp from certain parts like nordic countries or Eastern European, they do tend to have larger frames (esp height). but generally it's not the standard imo. bc for ex, while lots of ladies in US are taller on average it's not the case here in canada. For reference I weighted 50kg at my skinniest, so that's very slim thighs and bony type of skinny arms. I've met other Asians, from Koreans to Chinese, some from asia others western-born or raised, and majority were larger than me (partly bc they were also taller). Nobody is born skinny we have to eat certain way to be skinny. so these Chinese girls aren't just thin effortlessly but through conscious eating and persistent exercise regimes.
@@3xitthissid3 I don't think it's a myth, but as you said, their diet absolutely contribute to less obesity overall in their countries. Sweets in East Asian countries are much healthier than the super sugary and full of carbohydrates that are common in Western countries and Latin America, which has higher rates of obesity overall. East Asian food, even in different countries and cultures, tend to have less calories. Probably because it's based on rice and not on corn and wheat.
I suffered from anorexia and actually went to China as an exchange student during my anorexia... I was roughly 73 ibs and people were taking pictures of me and calling me a model... I was dying but it was the beauty standard. I still struggle with accepting my body, I see so many thinspo influencers on TikTok and it gets to be so frustrating to maintain my healthy weight. I'm so glad she's ok now and I hope she's still doing well. I see a new surge in thinspo online and Kpop idol dieting rituals too. Sometimes I have to just stay off of the internet...
yeah. better to workout than... do this to yourself. food is nourishment. it is a blessing. we should value it and not abuse it, and look after our bodies - be strong. ykwim? not... what is being endorsed here!
Sad topic. People everywhere uphold standards that aren't even their own, they're just preconcieved cultural fabrications that they accept, perpetuate and enforce without question.
Having a healthy diet and normal BMI is important to everyone. But this thinspo too far thing is not limited to China, it is in everywhere TH-cam, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok. Girls wants to look hot, guys look cool and they will do everything for that.
Girls should use brain, I know it is unusual, but you cold try once. Make a sneak peak at adult pages, watch what body types has most views. Surprise, surprise not skinny at all. Simple check what males find attractive could save health issues of millions confused girls.
It is definitely not that intense here in Canada, or America. There is a big movement going in the opposite way, in fact. Around 2000, that was when it was bad here IMO. It was super unrealistic images, and zero conversation about it.
@@ntz752 who cares about Africa? And it is a worldwide phenomenon. The internet connects people across the world, and thinspo is very big on the internet.
3:40 what was the percentage increase from 2010-2018 instead of 2002-2018. If that's where the majority of cases increased you have your extremely obvious answer. Social Media
@@Dom_Solo however social media sites like Facebook and TH-cam only became popular here from 2010 onwards. Before that it was mostly a Western phenomenon.
Feeling unattractive or being called unattractive is one of the worst feelings in the world. And struggling with an eating disorder (for whatever reasons) is also one of the worst experiences. It's so hard to break out of and it's a living hell
"Feeling unattractive or being called unattractive is one of the worst feelings in the world." A big dose of gratitude for being born as a woman, then. The lives men live on this front would kill even "strong" women within 6 months.
@@NotSure109 wow, you're so strong! i'm so so sorry that you're a man! i can't believe you have to suffer such a great injustice... to be a MAN... oh the humanity! nothing could ever compare! how could a WOMAN ever understand??????
its true. online shopping is probably the most popular way for chinese people to shop for clothes, recently there was a post about clothes that a girl had bought where the seller apparently covered the original sizing label (S in the video) with a new one that accidentally peeled off (L). The size charts are also absolutely wild, like L sized pants with a 60cm waist circumference. people also talk about the ridiculousness of buying womens fashion items and having them arrive so small that it wouldnt even fit their kid siblings. Literally corner of society feeds on making women hate on their bodies, this isnt just a social media phenomenon (although social media definitely accelerates it) or a marketing strategy for dietary products, but a case that countless industries capitalize from.
I think that, like everything else, balance is key. We should not encourage people to be unhealthy thin neither accept obesity. And always be aware that some people will never be within the standard health boundaries for x or y reason. Sometimes we rush to judge people for how they look without knowing if they have gained weight because of pregnancy, are fighting a disease or disorder, have a hormonal imbalance, have an injury that makes it hard for them to stay in shape, etc. Yes, we should encourage a healthy weight as well as not accept extreme and unhealthy body shapes. But always be understandable that we don't know what other people are going through and is always better to give our support instead of our hate to help those people improve their health and if possible their weight/body shape.
No one is encouraging obesity, what's funny is that it's actually people who keep saying fatphobic thing, and say that they only say that for because they care for they health that that encourage obesity by triggering Ed behavior.
@@MinieAnne S/he said with everything balance is the key. What is the issue with that? Anorexia as well as morbid obesity are two sides of the same coin. Moderation would make life way better for most people.
@@MinieAnne There is a blatant, massive (pun intended) movement in the West explicitly aimed at destroying beauty, and encouraging obesity. This isn't an opinion.
In the West we tell extremely obese people it’s ok, in China you have to be extremely skinny to be pretty. We need a middle ground with many different body types instead of these unhealthy extremes.
Being thin will always be prettier because it shows people your character. Eating a lot and not working out is easy - anyone can do that. But taking care of yourself and being able to control yourself will always be positive traits in a society.
@@thomasmaier7053 LOL if you think those two things make you thin, that’s laughable. Also laughable: that you think those two things make your character “better”. Maybe take your own advice and “do better” at critical thinking.
i can’t imagine having to live this everyday. as someone who struggles with ED, BD & most other things discussed here, this was a very difficult watch. the thoughts these young people have really can be contagious and you should be concerned.
having eating disorders suck! I also used to purchase children's clothes, i used to throw up so much i could reach my uvula . i am so glad and blessed i have embraced my weight.
i struggled with anorexia for a number of years. i'm still not fully recovered in a physical sense, but my mental health is significantly better now. i look back on my pre-ana photos and i wish i could go back to a time where my body image didn't matter to me. i wish i could go back to a time where i was healthy and didn't feel like i was fat just for finishing my food. don't do this to yourself. it's ruined my body. i cannot gain weight anymore. i will never reach 100 pounds. it's not worth the permanent damage to your body.
I've lived in China and Korea, and both countries are obsessed with body weight. However, to me China is more severe. I wear size-S and I could fit S-sized clothing in Korea, meanwhile in China I had to wear M-sized clothes because the S-sized was ridiculously small.
This made me tear up. As someone with an ED and seeing all these pretty and strong girls dealing with the same subject it really gives me hope and strenght ❤️ you Girls Are awesome thank you!
China is pushing it to the extreme but, in all, fairness, the obsession and focus on the body’s aesthetics beyond what is healthy, in whatever direction, is a tale as old as humanity, it’ll never disappear. I was headed down that route as well, my saving grace was competitive running. I’m not saying that it’s the perfect solution but it completely changed my relationship to my body. Now, my body and I have to work together to perform well, I cannot afford to starve myself or neglect my body’s needs or else I’ll notice it with a drop in performance right away. Aesthetics became sort of an afterthought. My body is my own little machine that works hard, and only well oiled machines work well.
Asian women have rounder fuller face and tend to store fat easily in the face and overall body especially arms and belly. Whereas caucasian women (typically russian and northern europe) can be thin and slim while being in good health. (being taller helps a lot on proportion since asian women are shorter and thus appear proportionally bulkier). The thing is that the healthy body fat range is different on avg for asian women and caucasian northern europe women. Its all about genetics and proportions. You could be 90 lbs (40kg) and still look fat cuz of your proportions and body fat distribution. Asian women store more fat in the face , belly and arms whereas as caucasian (north europe) women store more in the hips, thigh, and b reasts (that's why the average cup size is D or larger in europe and AA in asia). Asian girls are not fatter they just store it in different places. 3:34 is the perfect exemple of looking fat while being a very low weight. She has no double chin but her wide face and proportions makes her look chubby. Conclusion: have realistic body goals standards depending of your race. It's like african women wanting to have caucasian or asian hair, just never gonna happen. Same goes for body fat.
I used to weigh 98 pounds and I guess I was to skinny for guys here so I gained weight and went to 180 I realized now I'll never try to change for nobody in my life ever again be happy with yourself
how could anyone say that girl group was ugly? my jaw dropped because of how pretty they looked especially with the fun makeup they did. saying something like that to a kid isnt right
I am really thin, but I can’t gain weight no matter what and how much I eat. it’s too much of a sacrifice to gain some kg, so I started accepting the way I am. however, my country’s standard is the opposite of china’s, so I am completely looked down by people here. I just wish people weren’t driven by beauty standards and started embracing their nature. remember, our bodies will decompose anyway
We are still animals. Animals are designed to find an ideal mate. Some people are lucky enough to be able to find anyone attractive in the right circumstances. Most can't
I had the same experience when my mother begged me not to keep hurting myself sometimes you don't need to change for you right then but you gotta change for someone ya know
I had a job set up in China but the pure fear of getting yelled at in public about my weight made me not go. I've suffered with starving myself and I'm currently tackling binge eating and it would have been too much. It makes me sad that contributed to the reason but my mental health is more important. I'm sorry if you have had diffident experiences but I didn't wanna travel to the opposite side of the world and change my entire life to find out.
And, obviously, I do think , a lot of Chinese doesn't welcome you at all. Just stay on the opposite sphere of the world. Hint: The earth is not flat, as I know you are an American so I especially tell you this.
This is called victim mentality, nobody else was the problem here, only you. Your way of life let you down, made you fearful of change, and ultimately shaped you into someone that is controlled by outside circumstances... I hope you can find the discipline to change someday, starting with your mindset.
I think it’s ok to want to lose weight, tone your body, and set other fitness goals, even if you are at a healthy weight. The girl who was working out in this video looks perfectly healthy to me even after her weight-loss and seems as though she feels more confident. I think the issue comes in when someone takes it too far. It’s all about balance.
When feeling social pressure and fear of one's perception by others, the problem is not that you are not as others wish you to be, but that social pressure causes you negativity. While the way we are susceptible to it might have evolutionary biological roots, you end up the happiest by questioning its legitimacy instead of giving in.
Some Asian countries are absolutely ruthless about beauty and weight. The goal is to be as thin as you can while looking forever youthful, when in reality the less you weigh the more you age, it's just not obtainable. Fuller bodies and faces usually look more youthful than those starved of important nutrients. Social media has absolutely ruined beauty standards and sadly I feel like it's just getting worse and worse.
This fat shaming thing made me think I was fat before, especially by my own family. Now, looking back at those photos, I was not as fat as they made it seem as I was actually in the best weight and form (I guessed because of my natural chubby cheeks that they called me fat for that, while the rest of my body was actually fit and slim). This greatly impacted my current state and I finally became super obesed, plus metabolism imbalance due to age and hormones as I work in shifting schedule. The pandemic made an impact too and being at home made me start gaining weight rapidly. I'm struggling but doing my best to overcome this mental and physical state that I'm currently in, hoping it won't be too late to become healthy and fit again. I hope people will bring awareness to stop the fat shaming as it greatly affects the mental state of a person.
@@franciscocz8384 chubby girls didn't get any sexier. They've become more vocal & the rhetoric/marketing from them trying to convince ppl that fat = sexy has increased. Its a bit hard to convince men to ignore the realities of obesity & poor health. Diabetes, high cholesterol & heart disease arent sexy bro
no wonder why Vice died... @8:47 their graph literally shows western countries, that say celebrates being fat. Skinny does not mean skin and bones, what a subjective word to use in a survey.
Eating issues can also be due to depression or stress not just due to body image issues or other things, please remember that. Support people and love them, don’t abandon them or shun them
Hi Vice @vicenews you did the weight calculation wrong. 50kg is 110lb but 100 "JIN" in Chinese. So she say she dropped from 100 "JIN" (which is 50kg) to 50 JIN (25kg).
All of these woman are so beautiful. It hurts knowing they went through those things. I hope everyone who is struggling with their body image or has an eating disorder gets better and learns to love themselves. If you're reading this, feel free to vent under the reply section. ily❤
Oh I remember my trip on body dysmorphia symptoms when some of my cousins mocked me one christmas because they saw me sideways when I was 11-12yo and got chubby like many children do. First time I got conscious of how "disgusting" I was, and then it morphed into not looking manly enough. There's still some remnants of that damage. The worse part is that you see a ton of guys claiming this doesn't affect men while most surely they're the kind of dudes that get in the sack with tshirt and socks on because he's too afraid that a woman notice his big ass nips, bewbs or small feet.
If you want to feel at home when it comes to body standards..Africa, there are people into thin, chubby, curvy, thicc etc..you will find your base..I stay in the country Nigeria and the body discrimination is little to none. I feel bad about Chinese and Asian beauty standards it is very disturbing and they ram it in via social media and other forms as well..everyone only think the American and western countries are forceful In this beauty standards but the east as well..
Let’s all get some exercise - nothing obsessive of course. Having a sedentary lifestyle is never good. Let’s all try to eat a healthy, balanced diet. Don’t eat junk food everyday and just sit on the sofa. This is the best plan.
Love anime- not really. There’s an epidemic of obesity in the states that puts quite a burden on our societies health care system. We should focus on healthy standards.
My wife is 54 and still weighs the same as when we got married 34 years ago at 125lbs. It’s all about what you eat and portion size or amount you eat. Each meal size in total should be as big as your fist. It’ll take a while until your brain and stomach adjust to the proper size again. Also eat jello and apples if you want a quick snack but again, don’t go nuts with the jello.
This is so sad! It's sad how Chinese society only cares about a person's appearance and thiness is equated to popularity and beauty. Unfortunately it's not only Chinese society. I'm half Polish and in Poland being thin is still associated with beauty. Whenever I go to Poland I'm sick of people telling me that I've lost or gained weight. Most body shaming comments have been from Polish people and the majority of them hardly in great shape themselves! I was a healthy weight for my size (75kg and 172cm) and told I should be 55kg! A lot of my mum's Polish friend's granddaughters have anorexia. It's not surprising. Anorexia is definitely on the rise in Poland. I'm glad that by British standards nowadays I'm considered normal size.
Where is the fun of being a kid nowadays? They suffer so so much because of social media. They r slaves of selfies and pursuing someone else's body. It breaks my heart to see them suffer so much. Hard time for growing nowadays. hard times.
Social acceptance is hard-wired into human beings. To be excluded for any reason is devastating. We need to learn to love each other just for being human, just for being. Race, gender, orientation, body type, intellectual capacity, and on and on. We could spend the next ten centuries going through the list of differences, judging and excluding people on those superficial bases, or we could accept that difference is uniqueness and that nobody benefits from a society in which all of the members are exactly the same. Difference is the key to creativity. You cannot imagine possibilities without it. Where does the human race go on the strength of zero diversity? Backward. The Stone Age comes to mind. Where did we get our number system? Our alphabet? Our sense of Justice? Our determination? Our work ethic? Don’t tell me these are all products of Anglo minds. They’re not. If you don’t know this, you missed college. And THAT is what higher ed is good for: it makes the world personal (Cormac McCarthy).
A lot of people seem to judge how paleness is pushed on everyone in Asia and how they have those whitening creams. What people don’t seem to realize is that it’s the exact same in the West, just opposite. I have naturally extremely pale skin and am unable to tan because I just immediately get sunburnt and I can’t even count the number of times I’ve received negative or stupid comments because of it. “Are you ok? You look so pale (i. e. sick)”, “You look like a corpse”, “Do you never go outside?”, “You don’t look like you really went on vacation” “You’re so pasty, you really need to go to a solurium / go outside more”, etc. These are just some of the comments I have received countless times throughout my life because of my naturally very pale skin. And are self-bronzers really any different from whitening creams?
There’s a negative word “普信男” primarily used by female internet user. It literally means “man being ordinary and confident” and the usage is to attack man that is average on pretty much every aspect especially their appearance/stylishness/wealth/education while still feeling good and confident about himself. This is awful.
@@Ninja-gt3zi It's a compound word. PU meaning 普通,ordinary. xin meaning 自信,confidence. There isn't a single English term for it, the sentence provide in OP's comment is a good translation though. The connotation is that the man bearing the confidence is not worthy of his self-esteem, and that healthy self esteem for this man is arrogant to the point of a strong fault.
I have mad respect for the Zumba teacher. She's a prime example of how you should see yourself. She is definitely not fat. But not perfectly skinny either. She's healthy. Seeing her dancing and laughing in the end made me so happy. Thats real beauty! And remember its not about sizes or shapes. Its about balance. Eat healthy. Work out. Take care of your body ! Its the only one you have. Be happy .
What a horrible phenomenon. That collarbone coin challenge like what the actual fvck!? The tragic thing is all the women in the this video looked beautiful the way they were prior to the crazy weight loss. Words of wisdom at 13:30, now look at her, shes stunner! She does not need "thinspo". Social meda disease has no doubt pressured these young people into this. But the big one as mentioned by the girl at 13:30 is Chinese society. Judge judge judge on everything and everything. There is no escape and no one will be happy. What a miserable way to spend this ONE life that we have. I hope people snap out of this nonsense.
As a fat person who has suffered with PCOS symptoms since I was 11, when I first arrived in China I was so taken back. People in the street just straight-out called me ugly and pig. I’m glad that I’m so thick-skinned and know my worth past my weight. My students said it was ‘because fat people are seen as greedy and rude’ but said that knowing me changed their perspective of fat people. You’ll realise being around Chinese people for less than 5 minutes that the most used words are 好看 good looking，不好看 not good looking，美 beautiful ，丑 ugly. Everything is quantified in how it looks. Extremely judgemental society, especially with young women. I can separate myself from it, maybe because I’m a foreigner and I’m not integrated into the culture to an extent. But I really feel for many young Chinese women who are brought up with this pressure.
@Anna I had started my menstrual cycle at 10 years old, and immediately had some hormonal imbalances and PCOS symptoms. The biggest symptom was very fast and unexpected weight gain and abdominal pains. I wasn’t properly diagnosed until a few years after because my doctor thought I was too young to have it, but lucky me (or unlucky me I guess haha). There isn’t enough research and knowledge on it.
It's way more important to be healthy than to be thin. How many of these skinny Chinese women could actually run a mile in 10 minutes? There are many skinny people with a high body fat percentage and have a body that's not functional. It's way better to put on a little muscle, get out there and walk every day, maybe run 2-3 times a week and lift weights twice a week. Eat in moderation and whatever the result is, you'll be healthier and have a functional body. The outrageous trends, like can your waist fit behind a sheet of paper are just driving people mentally insane.
It's sad what beauty standards do, in one society it's better to be big/fat, in one curvy, skinny/thin, one tall, short, muscular, light, tan, or dark and many more. It's all damaging, people would go to extreme like these women in the video, it's not good. Their mental health must be so bad. I had a ED at 11 because I wasn't happy (childhood trauma) and also wanted to be thin like these woman/girls. It made me super sick, every day being fixated to be skinnier when my body can't anymore. Simple things will eventually be hard for me to do because you run on reserve energy and when that is over you just feel like dying. As of today, it's still not away even though eating normally is possible, avoiding mirrors and weighing secretly is still my daily routine. I just gave up on myself in doing these things because my genetics are not meant to be the way I wanted to be. You will never be happy, so I feel for the ones who live like this. So much respect for Popo for normalizing talking about ED's in a society like hers. I'm glad she realized how bad it became. She really is a good person for being a light for many girls who maybe not know what it is and are going through it.
22kg... She was literally dying. I'm so relieved to see she's okay now 🙏🏽
I also thought that.
damn bruh i weigh like 6 times that
dead man walking
that's even lighter than my loaded bikepacking rig
I'm surprised she wasn't dead at that weight as anorexic patients have been known to die at weights heavier than that. 22kg is some serious level famine or concentration camp thin.
In China, everyone is complaining they are not thin enough, not pale enough, not rich enough, not tall enough, not hot enough, not young enough, not smart enough etc. And Chinese judge each other constantly. If you think this is good, that girls should judge their weight constantly, and that mentality is attractive, just remember they are also judging your wallet, your height, your education all the time too.
No one is willing to be super strict toward themselves and forgive the flaws of others.
Ture, I am from China, the whole country is a dystopia, a gigantic reality 1984, people judge your car, your income, your appearance, your social status, your height, your home address, your parents, this is insane.
Junho Tan not just China tho. The entire East Asia have this mentality, some are just better at hiding and only judge quietly, some can’t do this anymore because economic stagnation (Japan).
I am afraid It happens all around the world, a human weakness that can't be cured in centuries.
It’s not just China that’s like that.
“If you can’t see my value because of my body that is your problem not mine.” Exactly
But your value does show via your body. Your character shows through your size.
Eating a lot and not working out is easy - anyone can do that.
But taking care of yourself and being able to control yourself will always be positive traits in a society.
@@thomasmaier7053 Sounds like you’re jealous that you’re not skinnnny
@@thomasmaier7053 There's a condition that affects only women called lipoedema (also spelled lipedema). I didn't know I had it when I was a 47 kg teenager, but a female classmate once asked me "why I are skinny from the waist up and chubby from the waist down". I honestly didn't know. I asked my mum and at that time there was the "pear shape" theory. Now those skinny arms turned huge. It's officially lipoedema. My BMI is slightly overweight. I eat super healthy, 1300 k/c day, vegetarian. I am a bit sedentary due to treatment resistant major depression and PTSD, but even if I exercised enough to lose those 8 kg extra, those huge thighs and buttocks and now new huge upper arms wouldn't change. That's lipoedema.
@Luis guzman torrente Because you could NEVA be as skinny as them, jealously is all it is really
Cope and seethe fa tty
28kg is terrifying. That’s the weight of a 6-7 year old. Now imagine a full grown person with that weight.
Eating disorders are no joke.
It's the mind that is the most dangerous. You don't even have to hit that low of a weigh to go off
Bones and skin
Sadly, due to my eating disorder, I was at that weight the time for a 167 cm height but now I am healing I have gained weight, I still need to gain more but I am proud of my progress and I will still continue to fight my disease 💪🏻❤
I think it was less at some point. Another comment here wrote 22.
But yeah, 30kg can be normal for some short and naturally slim kid looking woman. Otherwise totally... Unhealthy, disorder level weight.
@@dodidodidabada1954 unless that person is below 4'6, 30 kg will NEVER be normal for an adult body. I am 5'0 and I was 34 kg at my lowest and my arms already looked like skin and bone.
My parents often neglected me so I was starved and emaciated growing up.. Girls would make fun of me calling me anorexic and trying to be a model not knowing there was no food at home. Then when I started living by myself and living life for the first time and gaining weight to a healthy amount, guys would make fun of me started saying I was getting fat 👁️👄👁️ there's no winning
I'm so sorry to hear that. People can be so uncaring and cruel. I hope you are able to experience a better quality of life now, despite some people's ignorant comments. Sending you love and hugs from Ireland. xx
The girls who made fun of you were jealous, that's all.
world will judge you no matter what so it's nice to not give any power on those judgement over us.
im so sorry that sounds absolutely horrific
@porkcutlet3920 no and it was prob classism or smth that saying doesn't apply here
I don’t think most people realize this, yes in most western countries we usually put the skinny and fit as the sexy thing, but that’s not the standard, it’s the standard in a lot of asian countries and it’s FAR WORST (I’m asian) in asian countries usually if you aren’t pretty/handsome, skinny, and light skinned you get hated on. Edit: I forgot also if you’re short yeah, you’re screwed too. Tall or nothing.
oh my goddd finally somebody said it, people in the comments are so ignorant acting like China is the only country that has extreme beauty standards
not ture, it's same everywhere.
It's even worse in Europe, the amount of money people spend on appearance products is insane.
@@toyafan0111 umm no one is.
It is literally just as bad in America.
"The Ugliest Girl Group"? They're kids, what's wrong with people!? Couldn't they just let them do what made them happy without imposing their unrealistic and unfair standards on them? 💔
PS - they looked darned pretty, especially with the classic look going
Rebecca Black Never Forget
Yea it's nice to think that rational people would never, but in reality, it's not like we don't bully child stars here in the west. Especially when it comes to their looks.
@@lucinda3964 "we"?...Maybe in a joking context but not for real..thats just me though
Kids are far more intelligent than most people think. Even if not told outright, this is how most children perceive most cultures - shallow and oppressive, and they're right.
i know right! Loved the classic look thought it was great. Naming them the ugliest girl group is more of a reflection of how ugly the society is.
When I was a pre-teen (early 2000s), I created a thinspo blog & really followed the lifestyle. Went through a long journey of crash dieting, fasting, purging, diet pills (esp the infamous phen-phen), fad diets, bullimia- everything. Im still friends with some of the girls that subscribed to my blog & we laughed about how weight obsessed we were when in reality we looked great back then. It was the early 2000s though, skinny was really in & my favorite super lowrise jeans. Back in those days, your upper-mid class parents sent you to fat camp if you were a little pudgy. (I went for two summers)
My ex pro-ana girls remember those ridiculous mantras:
"Nothing tastes as good as how it feels to be thin" "A touch [of food] on the lips is 10 pounds on the hips"
"Waking up thinner, is worth going to bed hungry"
"Hunger hurts but starving WORKS"
"Because the pain of looking in the mirror (or on the scale) hurts more than starving"
I could write a book. Teens, dont do this. Now Im in my 30s with stomach acid issues & an out of whack metabolism. Just eat healthy and exercise. Plus the weight loss from starving isn't permanent.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. My ED wasn’t as extreme, but I am also older now with stomach issues that I know are a result of my ED. My metabolism is so out of whack now, I could starve myself all day and eat a boiled egg, and still put on weight 😅 You have to eat and exercise, guys. Simple as that. Fuel your body, don’t go crazy, but treat yourself so you don’t feel like life is all about suffering. It’s okay to accept yourself at all stages. Only you should decide what’s best for you.
@@milkflavored well said.
Yes absolutely! I went through this too and damn I was addicted to those blogs. Really depressing. Wow. Thanks for sharing this.
I was there in early naughties too.
Agree having muscle and strength from exercising and good diet is so much more attractive than being a skinny weak noodle.
Same generation and I remember all of those phrases. It's absolutely insane how obsessed all of Western society was with being inhumanly thin during the 2000s. Remember gossip mags actually made us all believe Jessica Simpson & Kate Winslet were obese whales?
Reading these comments is scary. The path to eating disorders is pretty easy to go down. Even being "in shape/fit" can be dangerous if you get too extreme in how you accomplish it.
I think people forget that society will always have something to say about you. You have to love yourself, first.
yeah i think a lot of people forget that working out and looking fit doesn't mean you are actually that healthy. i know that from personal experience with losing weight fast, working out for hours every day and feeling guilty if i missed even a day. meanwhile everyone is complimenting me and telling me i obviously no longer have a food problem because i'm fit now.... which just isn't how it works. i looked good sure, but i just went from one eating disorder to another. the obsession with food and body image doesn't end the moment you achieve your weight goals.
@@edelleaa Exactly. It actually can encourage even more harmful behaviors.
This!
yup people forget orthorexia is a thing. people with anorexia or other eating disorders often jump to orthorexia once they start working out
In the United States, starvation deaths are rare, China also has low starvation deaths. Obesity causes about 300,000 deaths yearly in the U.S. due to related health issues. In China, over 1 million deaths each year are linked to obesity-related conditions as obesity rates rise. In conclusion, most people worry too much about being too skinny and not enough about being too fat, and in the end it kills them.
Health is so attractive. Having a healthy body, plus a good feeling about yourself. Being under- or overweight is not part of it.
Your comment doesn't make sense. You call someone under- or overweight when they are in the spots where it is attacking their health. Healthy is being neither of these two. Weight is very much impacting your health.
@@minyaw1234 And that is exactly what my comment says^^
@@3g3q5 Agreed. Your comment is gold because we shouldn't strive for thin-ness, but health
being fat or overly skinny is not healthy.
@@minyaw1234 you cant read very well can you? Thats literally exactly what he said in his comment. YOUR comment doesn't make any sense lol
I think what's sad is a lot of women are comparing themselves to EDITED pictures of other women where their waist is drawn in or their legs are reduced in size and elongated, but what they're comparing themselves to and/or striving to achieve isn't even real...
I remember reading an article about a Chinese actress who allegedly admitted that her legs were so skinny because she got fat drawn out from her legs/liposuction.
@@2bp827 you don’t live in china. Every girl there post edited photos it’s extreme they edit their bodies and faces and look unrecognizable in real life
@Getchee unfortunately Chinese people edit pretty much every photo they post on social media. it's so common that when you take group photos and post them you're expected to photoshop everyone's faces or else be accused of playing favouritism. Chinese people do not tend to have good relationships with our body image.
This might be true, but from where I live you can see such women on a daily walking around. Sometimes social media doesn't affect you, reality does
@@huzzahh I'm sure there are people who look like supermodels in public and there's no issue with that. What I'm referring to are extremely edited images that differ from reality and create unrealistic beauty standards.
I don't used social media much. But when I was using wechat & a Chinese brand phone, it has a "beauty filter" I guess everyone will eventually has an unrealistic version of themselves and others ladies. It can literally turn faces into doll face with big eyes
The cultural pressure is making those ppl sadder, more bitter, too competitive.
Just dumb women pressuring each other to starve to death. They are all NPCs. I have no sympathy
How long until those People sucumb to envy and greed?
I fear many Will die for this exact same thing
They seem pretty happy to me, though.
my filipino relatives: "you are getting chubby" also them: "why are you not eating more food??"
For some reason, especially in the provinces, being fat is a status symbol. It means you're well off enough to eat out often.
I'm not asian, but I feel this comment on such a deep level. I'm from Italy and this is exactly how my family treated me when I lived with them too. My mother especially. And this all while growing up too, when I was having other problems and was literally underweight, and they knew. Fast forward to now and I am very overweight because I'm pretty sure I did develop an eating disorder, just not the kind that makes you skinny and is generally accepted by society, yet I am still healthier and happier I have ever been in my life. My mother still tells me I should lose the weight by any means necessary every chance she gets tho
and then what's ironic is those same titas are overweight themselves :/
@@ianhomerpura8937 I'm from the provinces and I assure you that's not it. Being fat is not a status symbol, rather it's a result of someone's eating habits or just a genetic predisposition.
@@kiri4186 depende, ganun samin e.
As a male who doesn't have a lot of female friends its very hard to understand how someone could go so far to killing themselves because they aren't skinny enough. However this video really puts into perspective how awful and terrible the body standards are for young women. Thank you vice for making this it really makes me thankful that I don't have to go through something like this and how hard it is for somebody else with body dysmorphia.
I'm in canada and ever since I was in elementary school I had a strong sense that people only saw value in me based on how beautiful I was. Every time my parents introduced me to someone they always started with "you're pretty!" Sometimes before hi, and at family reunions, there would be comments about how I looked. Sometimes nice sometimes not. More often not as I get older. From a young age (
Man i am struggling to grow muscle and the mfs wanted to be Skinner
Mem can also have eating disorder and a poor self image.... it is not only young women.
@@장미-z2j you’re completely right, but we also have to consider that beauty standards have always been harsher for women and they are more likely to get shamed for their bodies and develop eating disorders
@@Leeknows.eyelash true
It's important to say that anorexia is the mental illness with the highest rate of deaths, an that it is 80% female. As someone who has suffered with ed's, id say the worst part is the hunger you feel all the time (obviously) but some people still think the problem with anorexia is that some people aren't hungry (like??). Anorexia is literally about starving yourself to thinness. It hurts so bad
True!! Or, ‘you eat therefore you cannot be anorexic’ or ‘you are not underweight(enough)’ were my favourites from people close to me.
yeah i also think anorexia ≠ not getting hungry
but it does happen that some people really don’t feel that hungry although they should
it sometimes happens to me but instead of hungry i feel tired especially when i didn’t have breakfast
I gotta say, as a guy who went thru anorexia i feel like there is nothing comparable to how it felt, literally being stuck in your mind all day every day, knowing you need to eat and feeling your body consume itself, just to accept your too weak to get up every night over and over. It breaks my heart that it’s considered desirable in some places
So true! In the Minnesota Starvation Experiment, which studied the best rehabilitation diet for people who have suffered from starvation, the participants became extremely preoccupied with food, so much that three individuals went on to become chefs and one went into agriculture. In the study, they mention that food became the focal point of conversations and some participants began reading cookbooks and collecting recipes. One man even collected over 100 cook books during the experiment.
I still suffer from an ED myself, and I'd say 30%+ of my thoughts surround food and preparing it. This is sadly a lot higher when I'm trying to restrict my caloric consumption.
how about amphetamines? seriously? takes away appetite and even thinking about food
I was bullied growing up for being so skinny (I’m AA) and I felt so bad about myself I use to eat constantly only to weigh 90lb. Then I moved to Japan for a few years and I felt soo pretty there and was constantly complimented just to move back to the states and feel unattractive bc of my weight again.. gotta love cultural standards right lol
I'm sorry :( I think that such a noticeable difference between the average person's opinion in those two places only proves that beauty standards generally have nothing to do with what individuals actually find truly attractive and are really just ideas created by an outside force that individuals accept and refuse to challenge. You just proved that entire cultures of people will uphold standards that aren't even their own without question. The idea that a person can be pretty in one place and unattractive in another while looking exactly the same is pretty silly right? Lol
This is a huge thing also. I was made fun of, picked on, everything you can name just for being naturally skinny. I have a fast metabolism. Plus I'm tall, my body is mostly 65% legs. My doctor pretty much said, I could be tapping my finger and burning off everything I ate. I could eat and eat and eat and I was never "good enough" for others. My mom's friends actually started questioning her to ask if I was maybe anorexic, which I'm not but she swore up and down I never ate when I did. She knew I did! But then again she never sees what I do for her anyway, it's always she's right and everyone else is wrong. I've seen it like in real time how she denies and makes things up on the spot, and it's amazing how delusional a person can be. It's flabbergasting. Anyways, having to deal with that for years, and still dealing with it is maddening.
The on the flipside, I gained a little bit of weight because I got older it's natural plus I eat a little bit more than I used to because I workout and I don't like being hungry. I'm not a size 0 anymore, I'm like a size 3-4 depending on the fabric of clothing and the clothing brand and store it comes from. And my dad (67), who won't admit he has an eating disorder and is obsessed with being under 120 pounds. The weight in his 20s and teen years. He will turn around and start calling me fat. And that's maddening too!
I love food and love my body, I've gone through a crap ton of injuries and am thankful that it's carried me through every single one of them, but I'm super athletic and have always been considered a tomboy. But if someone has a problem with MY body, now and forever, it says more about them than me. And that's sad, especially if they're a grown ass adult. Thinking about all the damn girls I grew up with who picked on me for being skinny, my mom, and just whoever else, it's still makes me grit my teeth and gets on damn nerves how disgusting humans can be that they have to attack someone else about their weight because it's not to THEIR standards.
@@dreamlikediana the best way to gain weight is find a boyfriend you like and break up. you go through depression and you will eat a lot to gain weight. ok maybe my advice is a little to silly
Every culture has their beauty standard...
@@BlueRice it's offensive actually. I myself have been bullies for being very skinny and I always ate a lot. Being skinny is influenced by a lot of things, gens, gut bacteria, diet, stress, etc
"If you can't seem my value because of my body, it's your problem, not mine. Loving yourself is acceptance. Loving yourself doesnt mean you give yourself a hundred marks. Loving yourself means accepting objectively your strengths and weaknesses." I LOVE THIS--SO WISE
Its so interesting how every country has their own beuty standards, I've lived in various countries primarily South America. One friend was really down on her body because she was "too thin" here in South America and primarily Brazil were I currently live, vuluptuous women are the cultural standard for "beauty". Naturally she felt ouf of this cultural norm, and I recall telling her "if you where in Asia you would be considered ideal, her being fair skin, long brunnete hair, tall and ofcourse thin
Your right! This is an interesting subject, especially from a psychological perspective.
The funny thing about "cultural beauty standards" is that they tend to exist solely within the mind of the beholder. It's a projection of one's own personal insecurities or a side effect of an inferiority complex.
I guess at the end of the day people just find it easier to blame society for having "unrealistic" standards then to look in a mirror and admit that they are failing to live up to their own, personal, unrealistic standards.
You're absolutely right, i live in Brazil, my family is Scottish, and I have broad shoulders and strong arms, i have to literally lift my weight in squats to conform to the norm. They would call me sem bunda, and gringa. Kinda distressing.
@@nataliesutherland7222 sem bunda talvez dê pra resolver, mas gringa vai ser pro resto da vida kk já me acostumei a ser chamado de japa ou china.
I am Puerto Rican but in places like the Philippines and Thailand I am considered attractive. Light skin , straight nose , straight hair etc. In Latin America I am an average Joe. In USA I am Latino and "low class".
And that is why people need to stop judging on what is beautiful, for the cultural differences can be quite impactful
Taught high school in China for a year. You can definitely see first hand how this is effecting the self esteem and psychology of young adults.
I'm from Asia, but, I have a different story to tell. I am far more skinny now due to the fact that I listened to what they said about my weight and how ugly I looked. Now, that I am 22, a 5'5 woman, but only weighs 35 makes me sick.😫 Those people who told me that I look so ugly for being fat, now telling me that I look so old and ugly. How am I supposed to gain weight when all I do that time was listened to them, and now they want me again to gain weight.
This time, I love what my body looks like and I am not going to listen to their ugly critics base on what I will look, but because it's starting to be unhealthy.
What I am saying,love what and who you are. You know what you do to your body and you own whatever the ends maybe.
I live here in Shanghai for 3 years now as a fitness coach. Skinny women come to the gym to lose weight. And men telling girls they’re fat when they look well built. 🧐
Alvin-do you feel this is changing Alvin? I feel more and more girls are starting to exercises in shanghai. Am I wrong?
@@joshboston2323 it’s changing slowly but it will take a long time I feel…
Hearing what these women had to go through makes me so angry. I'm constantly having to tell people here in Taiwan that other people's weight is none of their f-ing business. I'm glad Alex and Popo have found a path that works for them, and I hope that Cindy's fitness journey stays on a healthy path.
The problem lyes in the fact that everyone feels entitled to criticize women’s weight / shape, generating so many insecurities and self-hate for the women receiving these mean comments.
Like this unknown man who walked to the girl in the documentary just to tell her to lose weight - but who asked for your opinion ? This it’s these guys who need to get an education, respect boundaries and mind their own business.
I love the attitude of the Zumba instructor and swing her smile when she dances at the end - girls self love is what truly makes someone attractive 🤍
Its common human respect, to not judge,
Comments like that are common in China - unknown strangers will come to you on the street and start commenting on your appearance - whether you are fat, bold, muscular, blonde, etc. They have little personal boundaries.
LoL you are living in a delusion if you think guys are making these mean comments online. Most of them are from women. If you think guys notice all the small details these comments attack, you never met a normal dude. Go touch grass.
@@minyaw1234 I don't live in a delusion, I do understand what you are saying, I find it difficult to judge people, I take them as saying what they want. I respect that
@@duncanyourmate2433 I don't belive you. We all judge people not out loud but we all do it and to pretend we don't is just inhuman. But alot of things don't need to be said. Think it don't say it
As someone who's Chinese that's born overseas, it didn't really help that my Chinese family would all tease me for being chubby. It's pretty typical of the Chinese relatives to make such comments yet they keep forcing food down my throat. It was to a point where I would ran into my grandfather's room and cry there. And I vividly remember the first time this happened was when I was only 7 years old. It didn't stop there and as I grew older, the words began to leave even more scars.
I eventually started to only eat once a day when I was in 8th grade and if I could estimate, my meal portion was less than 500 worth of calories. This lasted until the end of 9th grade when I opened up to my current friends(I only met them that same grade). And I honestly am grateful I did because after hearing what I went through, they made sure to help me regain my confidence and helped me go back to a healthy lifestyle. They didn't have to help me but they made the choice and for that, I owe them very much
Nowadays, I just eat what I want, whenever I feel the need to do so although I do avoid certain highly processed food and fast food when I can(indulging in them once every few months). I also work out to get toned and to release stress which greatly contributed to my current healthy mental and physical wellbeing
Funny because in the west i hear alot that “asians are pretty but too small thin” infact Asians with more curve are highly regarded. Beauty standards are stupid. Variety is always best unless its unhealthy
@@Ninja-gt3zi That's the Western view of Asians. Unfortunately, if you're East Asian or Southeast Asian living in Asia, being thin is ideal (I excluded South Asian because I know that their culture actually prefer women to be curvy)... Variety is definitely best
Whats the problem? Just find a guy (western or asian) that appreciates your body/curves and live your life to its full potential!!!
The actress girl is so eloquent and extremely charming. I think its horrible that people had the audacity to call her fat and tell her she would never get the lead role because of her body. She has a perfectly healthy body, was a Zumba instructor, eats clean, and yet total strangers were harassing her on the street... I find it appalling and disgusting that people think they have the right to be rude to a person if she is not stick thin.
This fat-shaming aspect of our culture, in both China and America, needs to change.
everyone commenting about how obesity should count as an eating disorder is missing the point of this video, I think. this is about unhealthy beauty standards and the eating habits of Asian people, specifically in China. you're references to American obesity are not really relevant here.
People love engaging in “what-about-isms”, rather than staying on topic. That’s why we can never resolve anything and find a common ground on the topic at hand.🤷🏻♀️
Tori-absolutely tori. You seem the same happening with the Russian invasion of ukraine. People keep saying things like: “oh what about America’s misadventures in syria?”
@@joshboston2323 yeah like us has many misadventures in the middle east but so does russia russia wants to counter the US in every way
Did you notice most of the polls shown in this video were from an American company? Didn't think so. You should stay on track...
Some videos are deliberate. Many people have a wrong understanding of China (even Chinese). I'm Chinese, but I almost never eat rice. Maybe I eat less than Europeans. I mean, our staple food here is steamed bread (steamed with flour). I don't understand why someone chose this girl to shoot videos. Whether fat or thin, her appearance is not a popular type in the whole China. If the time goes back 3000 years, You will see that there are dozens of different races in China, including short blacks and so on. Many people see on the Internet that some Chinese people eat dogs or snakes, even mice, and human placentas. These eating habits are almost only in Guangdong Province. The differences between different places are huge. My skin color is whiter than some Westerners. The average height of our local area is 1.78m, while Guangdong, Fujian and other southern areas may be only 1.68m, Most Chinese immigrants overseas also come from these regions. Some people who do not know China often confuse filters with surgery and eating habits.
Fit has been associated with thin and yet that can be very deceiving. I have never been considered thin if anything a medium body build and yet in high school and later endeavors I was always amazed how I blew away others who would be considered thin when it came to sports needing strength and endurance. I would say that there is a fit level for everyone and that can look very different from person to person. Fit and healthy should be the goal not how thin you look. Here in the U.S. the goal seems to be thin as well and that can be a huge mistake.
Lmao cope
Thanks for sharing with us how great you are.
Honestly I was the heaviest when I was the fittest. I did weight training, cheerleading and kickboxing, training for one or the other pretty much every day, and I was around 145 - 160 pounds. I got sick and ended up around 110 pounds, and everyone was congratulating me on my weight loss, telling me I looked healthy. People even started treating me better, which is screwed up. I started working out again, and even with a restricted diet I'm gaining weight. I know it's mostly muscle, but I'm struggling with it. I wasn't self conscious about my body until others constantly pecked me with their comments.
@@killjoyneonashes5736 72 isnt even heavy, unless you're a girl
These "thin" people featured here from China are passing right through healthy thin to unattractive thin.
I used to lease student apartments at UT Austin and we had Chinese exchange students come for the summer. Every single one of their apartments had a scale in the kitchen (to weigh themselves) and a small food scale on the counter where they weighed out rice, etc. this was 10 years ago. The ability to be thin and controls one weight in their culture shows the ability to use self control, and other amiable traits in their culture. I’ve met so many Asian women who face extreme scrutiny about their weight. In American culture body standards ebb and flow but being thin has always been “in” just masked when we add things like BBL’s and implants. Ultimately the standard in most first world countries is to stay thin because food is plentiful. Whereas third world countries where food is scarce the body standards seem to be much more lax or based off of looking healthy and muscular. I grew up with 90’s Kate moss “heroin chic” weight being in. I developed an ED as did a lot of my peers and I am curious to see where culture leads as Gen Z seems to be more accepting of their bodies (not everyone but a decent amount compared to young millennials). Sadly women will always be held to a more rigid standard then men, as dad bods come into fashion and a man can look like a body builder or have a dad bod or extra meat on his bones and still be considered attractive. we see this in Hollywood and in our everyday lives. As someone who lost her health due to an ED and being hospitalized due to one, it’s not worth the Long term damage to your body. But having an ED isn’t about weight, it’s ultimately about being able to control something in your life wether it is your food or your weight.
Sorry for the Ted Talk. Just my two cents.
Better than the way it is now where a majority of women are actually overweight and dumpy. It's disgusting.
Thanks for sharing your insight. I do think the male body image is definitely undermined by current day media as well. Young men feel like they should aspire to be the "fittest, and most attractive," while comparing themselves to "Insta" models and some ultimately use performing enhancing drugs like steroids or undergoing extreme dieting practices to try to achieve this goal. Men and women both experience these societal pressures, but in different forms.
@@HarbindBrar Did she write anywhere that men are not pressured to attain unhealthy beauty standards? If you care so much about this, make a vid or start an organisation that aims to support men. Or idk, ask Vice to do a video or article about it.
Those "what about the men" comments are so f annoying.
@@HarbindBrar That can be true but most males specially those over 30 dont care much about the media or watching main stream tv or what social media spews so it doesnt really effect them like women who are easily influence through social media. Male are mostly effected by the other side of extreme which obesity diabetes hypertension by eating so much junk and fast food..
no the small scale is also how everyone in china measure food. we dont use measuring cups.......
OMG it surprises me a lot that you guys managed to find Cindy. I remember them being such a phenomenon and the centre of attention (but in such a fucked-up way), i felt super bad for the girls. This brings back so many memories for me. I grew up in China and only just left 3 years ago so that mentality still feels so familiar and fresh to me. Literally every, no joke, every single woman i've met in china had told me at least once that they're trying to lose weight/they're on a diet cause they want to look thinner etc. and of course i was one of them. Took me some time and serious struggle to realize that THAT IS NOT NORMAL. I'm so glad the three girls are doing better now despite all the trauma.
although i have to point out that i'm confused by the title Gen 跟 China, it looks like a misusage of the character.
I grew up fat shaming in China and this thing haunts me for my whole life. I am still feeling terrible everyday. The scariest thing is you are agreeing some of the things they said about you.
Reduced BMI below average is also responsible for unexpected health problems like infertility, mental health, insomnia...
Workout and eat healthy plus eat limited fun foods / cheat meals ..
Kind of worried about Cindy. She admitted she’s practicing pretty heavy pilates and that her trainer shames her for eating too much, but in the end she said “I want to do this because i feel better.” Yeah, I’m not sure if that’s the reason.
Stress eating or the feeling of eating good food seems to be the reason. People shames her for eating just a little much and she doesn't want to be judged. Or just maybe the doctor diagnosed her problems from being too thin and that she needs to eat to be healthy. Pretty much the beauty standard not in China but the whole world
It's okay to feel better about being better.
Thank you for sharing.
As someone with knowledge of East Asian clothing sizes, I know they have smaller average bodies than your average European, North American, South American, South Asian and African woman (everyone else perhaps I should say). But exactly because of that, their "beauty standard" must be most difficult to obtain for girls who doesn't fit the average.
I'm very glad Popo is overcoming anorexia and willing to talk about such taboo topic as mental health in China. I hope Cindy, as a former bullied child star, can find a middle ground. Very happy for Alex, who was able to find a place where she can do what she love and she is not judged. She is working out and having fun!
I struggle with lipoedema and all my life I thought I was just "pear shaped", until something terrible happened in my usually skinny arms. The upper arms become huge. I was used to my big thighs and buttocks, but I was supposed to be "fat from the waist down, thin from the waist up". And it wasn't funny to wear children t-shirts at age 21. I felt absolutely embarrassed for my lack of proper adult woman breast size.
Now I'm more worried about how lipoedema is such an unknown disease.
Society and it's "beauty standards" damage young girls (and boys) self-esteem. It's in us, the adults, and specially the parents and teachers to correct that.
by curiosity, how you get diagnosed lipoedema. Because I searched quite a bit but I cannot really tell the difference (in early stages) between normal legs with cellulite and lipoedema. And in any case, leg fat is known to be stubborn.. what is your experience?
@@esthermas4703 I went to a specialist, a Vascular Surgeon, they are the specialist who can actually diagnose it, also Angiologist in some countries. Hope it helps.
@@chilenapromedioRU thanks!
Asians having smaller frames imo is a myth. yeah they might be smaller than Black women and some Europeans but they're not as tiny as people expect and claim them to be. Perhaps diet is part of the reason. when I was a teenager ik this Chinese girl who was born and raised in the west and was a few years younger than me. well she was about 5'4 and not as skinny as these girls. she wasn't necessarily pudgy, but neither was she as skinny. she had a soft body (what Jennie from Blackpink looked like predieting basically) and in fact she was larger in size and statue than me - someone who's considered white and if there's any asian blood in me it's minuscule. for Europeans who're non-mixed esp from certain parts like nordic countries or Eastern European, they do tend to have larger frames (esp height). but generally it's not the standard imo. bc for ex, while lots of ladies in US are taller on average it's not the case here in canada. For reference I weighted 50kg at my skinniest, so that's very slim thighs and bony type of skinny arms. I've met other Asians, from Koreans to Chinese, some from asia others western-born or raised, and majority were larger than me (partly bc they were also taller). Nobody is born skinny we have to eat certain way to be skinny. so these Chinese girls aren't just thin effortlessly but through conscious eating and persistent exercise regimes.
@@3xitthissid3 I don't think it's a myth, but as you said, their diet absolutely contribute to less obesity overall in their countries. Sweets in East Asian countries are much healthier than the super sugary and full of carbohydrates that are common in Western countries and Latin America, which has higher rates of obesity overall. East Asian food, even in different countries and cultures, tend to have less calories. Probably because it's based on rice and not on corn and wheat.
We have different body types. I hope other healthy influencers make this their mission and spread the right awareness.
I suffered from anorexia and actually went to China as an exchange student during my anorexia... I was roughly 73 ibs and people were taking pictures of me and calling me a model... I was dying but it was the beauty standard. I still struggle with accepting my body, I see so many thinspo influencers on TikTok and it gets to be so frustrating to maintain my healthy weight. I'm so glad she's ok now and I hope she's still doing well. I see a new surge in thinspo online and Kpop idol dieting rituals too. Sometimes I have to just stay off of the internet...
yeah. better to workout than... do this to yourself. food is nourishment. it is a blessing. we should value it and not abuse it, and look after our bodies - be strong. ykwim? not... what is being endorsed here!
@@merekhayaalsay that's really not a good thing to say to someone who had an eating disorder. overexercising can also be a big part of anorexia.
how tall are you?
Sad topic. People everywhere uphold standards that aren't even their own, they're just preconcieved cultural fabrications that they accept, perpetuate and enforce without question.
Having a healthy diet and normal BMI is important to everyone. But this thinspo too far thing is not limited to China, it is in everywhere TH-cam, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok. Girls wants to look hot, guys look cool and they will do everything for that.
Girls should use brain, I know it is unusual, but you cold try once. Make a sneak peak at adult pages, watch what body types has most views. Surprise, surprise not skinny at all. Simple check what males find attractive could save health issues of millions confused girls.
It is definitely not that intense here in Canada, or America. There is a big movement going in the opposite way, in fact. Around 2000, that was when it was bad here IMO. It was super unrealistic images, and zero conversation about it.
@@JunkBondTrader being thin isn't the norm for most of the world tho,NA and africa like women with curves.
@@ntz752 who cares about Africa? And it is a worldwide phenomenon. The internet connects people across the world, and thinspo is very big on the internet.
@@snekgewehr I think it's mostly prevalent in asia,the rest of the world is more into a lil thiccness.
3:40 what was the percentage increase from 2010-2018 instead of 2002-2018.
If that's where the majority of cases increased you have your extremely obvious answer. Social Media
Social media exists before 2010...
@@Dom_Solo however social media sites like Facebook and TH-cam only became popular here from 2010 onwards. Before that it was mostly a Western phenomenon.
@@ianhomerpura8937 try again lol. Facebook and TH-cam has always been blocked in China...
@@Dom_Solo I meant across Asia. And yes, I know China banned it since 2009.
@@ianhomerpura8937 😂. The video is about CHINA…
Feeling unattractive or being called unattractive is one of the worst feelings in the world.
And struggling with an eating disorder (for whatever reasons) is also one of the worst experiences.
It's so hard to break out of and it's a living hell
"Feeling unattractive or being called unattractive is one of the worst feelings in the world."
A big dose of gratitude for being born as a woman, then. The lives men live on this front would kill even "strong" women within 6 months.
@@NotSure109haaaaaaaa….
@@NotSure109 men also get eating disorders. it's a lot more than feeling unattractive.
@@selenite3890 womp womp
@@NotSure109 wow, you're so strong! i'm so so sorry that you're a man! i can't believe you have to suffer such a great injustice... to be a MAN... oh the humanity! nothing could ever compare! how could a WOMAN ever understand??????
its true. online shopping is probably the most popular way for chinese people to shop for clothes, recently there was a post about clothes that a girl had bought where the seller apparently covered the original sizing label (S in the video) with a new one that accidentally peeled off (L). The size charts are also absolutely wild, like L sized pants with a 60cm waist circumference. people also talk about the ridiculousness of buying womens fashion items and having them arrive so small that it wouldnt even fit their kid siblings. Literally corner of society feeds on making women hate on their bodies, this isnt just a social media phenomenon (although social media definitely accelerates it) or a marketing strategy for dietary products, but a case that countless industries capitalize from.
I think that, like everything else, balance is key. We should not encourage people to be unhealthy thin neither accept obesity.
And always be aware that some people will never be within the standard health boundaries for x or y reason.
Sometimes we rush to judge people for how they look without knowing if they have gained weight because of pregnancy, are fighting a disease or disorder, have a hormonal imbalance, have an injury that makes it hard for them to stay in shape, etc.
Yes, we should encourage a healthy weight as well as not accept extreme and unhealthy body shapes. But always be understandable that we don't know what other people are going through and is always better to give our support instead of our hate to help those people improve their health and if possible their weight/body shape.
No one is encouraging obesity, what's funny is that it's actually people who keep saying fatphobic thing, and say that they only say that for because they care for they health that that encourage obesity by triggering Ed behavior.
@@MinieAnne S/he said with everything balance is the key. What is the issue with that? Anorexia as well as morbid obesity are two sides of the same coin. Moderation would make life way better for most people.
@@MinieAnne being obese is an ED 💀
@@beautyhunter2286 "we should not encourage obesity or accept it" that's what she said 😉
@@MinieAnne There is a blatant, massive (pun intended) movement in the West explicitly aimed at destroying beauty, and encouraging obesity. This isn't an opinion.
In the West we tell extremely obese people it’s ok, in China you have to be extremely skinny to be pretty. We need a middle ground with many different body types instead of these unhealthy extremes.
Being thin will always be prettier because it shows people your character.
Eating a lot and not working out is easy - anyone can do that.
But taking care of yourself and being able to control yourself will always be positive traits in a society.
In South America we sent our morbidly obese relatives to the doctor. We don't want them to lose their feet to diabetes nor to die young.
I mean obese people, especially kids still get bullied. Western society is definitely not kind to them.
@@tommolldev I dont know why but your reply made me laugh my ass off.
@@thomasmaier7053 LOL if you think those two things make you thin, that’s laughable. Also laughable: that you think those two things make your character “better”.
Maybe take your own advice and “do better” at critical thinking.
Great to see a well rounded group of interviews here. Some good reporting, great work!
Well rounded indeed. 🎈😂🎈
i can’t imagine having to live this everyday. as someone who struggles with ED, BD & most other things discussed here, this was a very difficult watch. the thoughts these young people have really can be contagious and you should be concerned.
having eating disorders suck! I also used to purchase children's clothes, i used to throw up so much i could reach my uvula . i am so glad and blessed i have embraced my weight.
i struggled with anorexia for a number of years. i'm still not fully recovered in a physical sense, but my mental health is significantly better now. i look back on my pre-ana photos and i wish i could go back to a time where my body image didn't matter to me. i wish i could go back to a time where i was healthy and didn't feel like i was fat just for finishing my food. don't do this to yourself. it's ruined my body. i cannot gain weight anymore. i will never reach 100 pounds. it's not worth the permanent damage to your body.
9:26 treating older people with too much respect can give them power fantasies I would’ve shut that geezer up forcefully if need be
100% true!
WOAH! We got a BADASS over here! Look OUT EVERYONE, BADASS here!
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I've lived in China and Korea, and both countries are obsessed with body weight. However, to me China is more severe. I wear size-S and I could fit S-sized clothing in Korea, meanwhile in China I had to wear M-sized clothes because the S-sized was ridiculously small.
That might because China clothes factory wants to save clothing material 🤣
This made me tear up. As someone with an ED and seeing all these pretty and strong girls dealing with the same subject it really gives me hope and strenght ❤️ you Girls Are awesome thank you!
China is pushing it to the extreme but, in all, fairness, the obsession and focus on the body’s aesthetics beyond what is healthy, in whatever direction, is a tale as old as humanity, it’ll never disappear.
I was headed down that route as well, my saving grace was competitive running.
I’m not saying that it’s the perfect solution but it completely changed my relationship to my body. Now, my body and I have to work together to perform well, I cannot afford to starve myself or neglect my body’s needs or else I’ll notice it with a drop in performance right away. Aesthetics became sort of an afterthought. My body is my own little machine that works hard, and only well oiled machines work well.
Asian women have rounder fuller face and tend to store fat easily in the face and overall body especially arms and belly.
Whereas caucasian women (typically russian and northern europe) can be thin and slim while being in good health. (being taller helps a lot on proportion since asian women are shorter and thus appear proportionally bulkier).
The thing is that the healthy body fat range is different on avg for asian women and caucasian northern europe women.
Its all about genetics and proportions. You could be 90 lbs (40kg) and still look fat cuz of your proportions and body fat distribution. Asian women store more fat in the face , belly and arms whereas as caucasian (north europe) women store more in the hips, thigh, and b reasts (that's why the average cup size is D or larger in europe and AA in asia).
Asian girls are not fatter they just store it in different places.
3:34 is the perfect exemple of looking fat while being a very low weight. She has no double chin but her wide face and proportions makes her look chubby.
Conclusion: have realistic body goals standards depending of your race. It's like african women wanting to have caucasian or asian hair, just never gonna happen. Same goes for body fat.
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I used to weigh 98 pounds and I guess I was to skinny for guys here so I gained weight and went to 180 I realized now I'll never try to change for nobody in my life ever again be happy with yourself
180 is kinda on the heavy side for a girl, what's ur height?
how could anyone say that girl group was ugly? my jaw dropped because of how pretty they looked especially with the fun makeup they did. saying something like that to a kid isnt right
I thinks it’s really awesome for her to be comfortable. The woman that didn’t focus on being the skinniest girl ever, was actually the happiest one!
I am really thin, but I can’t gain weight no matter what and how much I eat. it’s too much of a sacrifice to gain some kg, so I started accepting the way I am. however, my country’s standard is the opposite of china’s, so I am completely looked down by people here. I just wish people weren’t driven by beauty standards and started embracing their nature. remember, our bodies will decompose anyway
Same here sadly😢
We are still animals. Animals are designed to find an ideal mate. Some people are lucky enough to be able to find anyone attractive in the right circumstances. Most can't
The fact that they have such delicious food makes this even sadder
You can eat food without over eating, and you have more of it to enjoy later..
Yeah it looks so good!
Asian household problem
I had the same experience when my mother begged me not to keep hurting myself sometimes you don't need to change for you right then but you gotta change for someone ya know
I had a job set up in China but the pure fear of getting yelled at in public about my weight made me not go. I've suffered with starving myself and I'm currently tackling binge eating and it would have been too much. It makes me sad that contributed to the reason but my mental health is more important. I'm sorry if you have had diffident experiences but I didn't wanna travel to the opposite side of the world and change my entire life to find out.
And, obviously, I do think , a lot of Chinese doesn't welcome you at all. Just stay on the opposite sphere of the world. Hint: The earth is not flat, as I know you are an American so I especially tell you this.
China hate white people colonisers not welcome
This is called victim mentality, nobody else was the problem here, only you. Your way of life let you down, made you fearful of change, and ultimately shaped you into someone that is controlled by outside circumstances... I hope you can find the discipline to change someday, starting with your mindset.
@@charlesdarwin4780 ikr they didn't even go 😂
I think it’s ok to want to lose weight, tone your body, and set other fitness goals, even if you are at a healthy weight. The girl who was working out in this video looks perfectly healthy to me even after her weight-loss and seems as though she feels more confident.
I think the issue comes in when someone takes it too far. It’s all about balance.
I started at 204, I’m now 189 but I’m losing weight slowly in a healthy way. Health is the most important thing.
Lol, here in Mexico it's almost the opposite; women who are thin are considered unattractive.
So an exchange program is needed.
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Yeah all of Latin world including my preference.. thick legs and round butt are what considering attractive!
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When feeling social pressure and fear of one's perception by others, the problem is not that you are not as others wish you to be, but that social pressure causes you negativity. While the way we are susceptible to it might have evolutionary biological roots, you end up the happiest by questioning its legitimacy instead of giving in.
As an Asian --- nothing is ever good enough....... 🤦🏻♀️💯
Ever ........... there's always room for improvement & do better....
Would you say that asians work that hard to make parents proud? Or do they do it no matter if they have someone to show their ethics for?
i mean you've got a blonde in your avatar.
Some Asian countries are absolutely ruthless about beauty and weight. The goal is to be as thin as you can while looking forever youthful, when in reality the less you weigh the more you age, it's just not obtainable. Fuller bodies and faces usually look more youthful than those starved of important nutrients. Social media has absolutely ruined beauty standards and sadly I feel like it's just getting worse and worse.
This fat shaming thing made me think I was fat before, especially by my own family. Now, looking back at those photos, I was not as fat as they made it seem as I was actually in the best weight and form (I guessed because of my natural chubby cheeks that they called me fat for that, while the rest of my body was actually fit and slim). This greatly impacted my current state and I finally became super obesed, plus metabolism imbalance due to age and hormones as I work in shifting schedule. The pandemic made an impact too and being at home made me start gaining weight rapidly.
I'm struggling but doing my best to overcome this mental and physical state that I'm currently in, hoping it won't be too late to become healthy and fit again.
I hope people will bring awareness to stop the fat shaming as it greatly affects the mental state of a person.
I'm sorry the Lil' Jon "WHAT!?" at the beginning sent me straight into laughter lol
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As a Chinese kid born in Canada, I’ve always found asian beauty standards somewhat off putting
10 years ago western beauty standards were exactly the same. It´s just recently that chubby girls are considered sexy in the West.
@@franciscocz8384 chubby girls didn't get any sexier. They've become more vocal & the rhetoric/marketing from them trying to convince ppl that fat = sexy has increased. Its a bit hard to convince men to ignore the realities of obesity & poor health. Diabetes, high cholesterol & heart disease arent sexy bro
@@billymadison8574 have you checked tik tok? Its full of chubby girls with tons of likes each video.
@@franciscocz8384 That’s algorithm knowing u prefer fat grils, I don’t get them in my feed
@@billymadison8574 p.s asian people are 2x more at risk for all of the conditions you just listed, regardless of their wieght( its genetic)
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no wonder why Vice died... @8:47 their graph literally shows western countries, that say celebrates being fat. Skinny does not mean skin and bones, what a subjective word to use in a survey.
Eating issues can also be due to depression or stress not just due to body image issues or other things, please remember that.
Support people and love them, don’t abandon them or shun them
Hi Vice @vicenews you did the weight calculation wrong. 50kg is 110lb but 100 "JIN" in Chinese. So she say she dropped from 100 "JIN" (which is 50kg) to 50 JIN (25kg).
All of these woman are so beautiful. It hurts knowing they went through those things. I hope everyone who is struggling with their body image or has an eating disorder gets better and learns to love themselves. If you're reading this, feel free to vent under the reply section. ily❤
Cindy is so NOT ugly. She is gorgeous with very cute features
Ah, being thin and attractive was one of the most important goals in my 20s. I'm so glad i care much less about it now that i've reached my 30s.
"Fad"? This isn't a fleeting trend. It's been this way and will sadly be this way for a long time.
Oh I remember my trip on body dysmorphia symptoms when some of my cousins mocked me one christmas because they saw me sideways when I was 11-12yo and got chubby like many children do. First time I got conscious of how "disgusting" I was, and then it morphed into not looking manly enough. There's still some remnants of that damage.
The worse part is that you see a ton of guys claiming this doesn't affect men while most surely they're the kind of dudes that get in the sack with tshirt and socks on because he's too afraid that a woman notice his big ass nips, bewbs or small feet.
Other people don't pay your bills let them judge as long as you're happy thats is important.
If you want to feel at home when it comes to body standards..Africa, there are people into thin, chubby, curvy, thicc etc..you will find your base..I stay in the country Nigeria and the body discrimination is little to none. I feel bad about Chinese and Asian beauty standards it is very disturbing and they ram it in via social media and other forms as well..everyone only think the American and western countries are forceful In this beauty standards but the east as well..
I love all the different perspectives they show in this video.
People who ask about our weight are the reasons why some people are going crazy 😢
For me it's incredible how our minds can trick us . All of those women were absolutely beautiful to me.
Be healthy. Love yourself. Be a good person. Life can really suck. But it can also be really beautiful. Be realistic.
Let’s all get some exercise - nothing obsessive of course. Having a sedentary lifestyle is never good. Let’s all try to eat a healthy, balanced diet. Don’t eat junk food everyday and just sit on the sofa. This is the best plan.
Eat what you want but balance it with the appropriate exercise is key. Also don't go on scales
Maybe let ppl live with a “standard” . No one’s health, beauty , etc isn’t anyone’s business
Well, they will just use a cosmetic doctor to fix there poor image they have like getting higher cheek bones or that tummy tuck.
Love anime- not really. There’s an epidemic of obesity in the states that puts quite a burden on our societies health care system. We should focus on healthy standards.
My wife is 54 and still weighs the same as when we got married 34 years ago at 125lbs. It’s all about what you eat and portion size or amount you eat. Each meal size in total should be as big as your fist. It’ll take a while until your brain and stomach adjust to the proper size again. Also eat jello and apples if you want a quick snack but again, don’t go nuts with the jello.
You are very much missing the point here man.
This is so sad! It's sad how Chinese society only cares about a person's appearance and thiness is equated to popularity and beauty. Unfortunately it's not only Chinese society. I'm half Polish and in Poland being thin is still associated with beauty. Whenever I go to Poland I'm sick of people telling me that I've lost or gained weight. Most body shaming comments have been from Polish people and the majority of them hardly in great shape themselves! I was a healthy weight for my size (75kg and 172cm) and told I should be 55kg! A lot of my mum's Polish friend's granddaughters have anorexia. It's not surprising. Anorexia is definitely on the rise in Poland. I'm glad that by British standards nowadays I'm considered normal size.
Where is the fun of being a kid nowadays?
They suffer so so much because of social media.
They r slaves of selfies and pursuing someone else's body.
It breaks my heart to see them suffer so much.
Hard time for growing nowadays. hard times.
Even though I'm 19 and part of the Gen Zs, I ain't part of this. Looking at the current situation makes me sad for my peers
Health is one of the most precious things we have as humans.
This was updated four days ago???? I distinctly remember watching this exact documentary, frame by frame, years ago.
Social acceptance is hard-wired into human beings. To be excluded for any reason is devastating. We need to learn to love each other just for being human, just for being. Race, gender, orientation, body type, intellectual capacity, and on and on. We could spend the next ten centuries going through the list of differences, judging and excluding people on those superficial bases, or we could accept that difference is uniqueness and that nobody benefits from a society in which all of the members are exactly the same. Difference is the key to creativity. You cannot imagine possibilities without it. Where does the human race go on the strength of zero diversity? Backward. The Stone Age comes to mind. Where did we get our number system? Our alphabet? Our sense of Justice? Our determination? Our work ethic? Don’t tell me these are all products of Anglo minds. They’re not. If you don’t know this, you missed college. And THAT is what higher ed is good for: it makes the world personal (Cormac McCarthy).
A lot of people seem to judge how paleness is pushed on everyone in Asia and how they have those whitening creams. What people don’t seem to realize is that it’s the exact same in the West, just opposite. I have naturally extremely pale skin and am unable to tan because I just immediately get sunburnt and I can’t even count the number of times I’ve received negative or stupid comments because of it. “Are you ok? You look so pale (i. e. sick)”, “You look like a corpse”, “Do you never go outside?”, “You don’t look like you really went on vacation” “You’re so pasty, you really need to go to a solurium / go outside more”, etc. These are just some of the comments I have received countless times throughout my life because of my naturally very pale skin. And are self-bronzers really any different from whitening creams?
Is this a reupload or something? I'm pretty sure I've already watched this and it's clearly not a part 2
I’m not sure either but I’ve definitely watched this as well
Reupload but not sure why
@@EmilSosnin probably struck down. It happens quite often recently.
There’s a negative word “普信男” primarily used by female internet user. It literally means “man being ordinary and confident” and the usage is to attack man that is average on pretty much every aspect especially their appearance/stylishness/wealth/education while still feeling good and confident about himself. This is awful.
Is there no translation in English
@@Ninja-gt3zi It's a compound word.
PU meaning 普通,ordinary.
xin meaning 自信,confidence.
There isn't a single English term for it, the sentence provide in OP's comment is a good translation though. The connotation is that the man bearing the confidence is not worthy of his self-esteem, and that healthy self esteem for this man is arrogant to the point of a strong fault.
1:14 What a wholesome giggle, that just cheered me up 😄
Really tho she seems really nice and genuine
I have mad respect for the Zumba teacher. She's a prime example of how you should see yourself. She is definitely not fat. But not perfectly skinny either. She's healthy. Seeing her dancing and laughing in the end made me so happy. Thats real beauty! And remember its not about sizes or shapes. Its about balance. Eat healthy. Work out. Take care of your body ! Its the only one you have. Be happy .
What a horrible phenomenon. That collarbone coin challenge like what the actual fvck!? The tragic thing is all the women in the this video looked beautiful the way they were prior to the crazy weight loss. Words of wisdom at 13:30, now look at her, shes stunner! She does not need "thinspo". Social meda disease has no doubt pressured these young people into this. But the big one as mentioned by the girl at 13:30 is Chinese society. Judge judge judge on everything and everything. There is no escape and no one will be happy. What a miserable way to spend this ONE life that we have. I hope people snap out of this nonsense.
These graphs are so poorly made but this story is really great
i give so much credit to vice u guys r amazing
As a fat person who has suffered with PCOS symptoms since I was 11, when I first arrived in China I was so taken back. People in the street just straight-out called me ugly and pig. I’m glad that I’m so thick-skinned and know my worth past my weight. My students said it was ‘because fat people are seen as greedy and rude’ but said that knowing me changed their perspective of fat people. You’ll realise being around Chinese people for less than 5 minutes that the most used words are 好看 good looking，不好看 not good looking，美 beautiful ，丑 ugly. Everything is quantified in how it looks. Extremely judgemental society, especially with young women. I can separate myself from it, maybe because I’m a foreigner and I’m not integrated into the culture to an extent. But I really feel for many young Chinese women who are brought up with this pressure.
@Anna I had started my menstrual cycle at 10 years old, and immediately had some hormonal imbalances and PCOS symptoms. The biggest symptom was very fast and unexpected weight gain and abdominal pains. I wasn’t properly diagnosed until a few years after because my doctor thought I was too young to have it, but lucky me (or unlucky me I guess haha). There isn’t enough research and knowledge on it.
It's way more important to be healthy than to be thin. How many of these skinny Chinese women could actually run a mile in 10 minutes? There are many skinny people with a high body fat percentage and have a body that's not functional. It's way better to put on a little muscle, get out there and walk every day, maybe run 2-3 times a week and lift weights twice a week. Eat in moderation and whatever the result is, you'll be healthier and have a functional body. The outrageous trends, like can your waist fit behind a sheet of paper are just driving people mentally insane.
It's sad what beauty standards do, in one society it's better to be big/fat, in one curvy, skinny/thin, one tall, short, muscular, light, tan, or dark and many more. It's all damaging, people would go to extreme like these women in the video, it's not good. Their mental health must be so bad. I had a ED at 11 because I wasn't happy (childhood trauma) and also wanted to be thin like these woman/girls. It made me super sick, every day being fixated to be skinnier when my body can't anymore. Simple things will eventually be hard for me to do because you run on reserve energy and when that is over you just feel like dying. As of today, it's still not away even though eating normally is possible, avoiding mirrors and weighing secretly is still my daily routine. I just gave up on myself in doing these things because my genetics are not meant to be the way I wanted to be. You will never be happy, so I feel for the ones who live like this.
So much respect for Popo for normalizing talking about ED's in a society like hers. I'm glad she realized how bad it became. She really is a good person for being a light for many girls who maybe not know what it is and are going through it.