Yes. DBP stands for "Deutsche Bundespost". It's the old name of the "Deutsche Post" and until the 1990s every electronical component had to checked by them, if they emit any radio signals that could disrupt for example radio programs. The printing just says, that the product is checked to comply to this standards. They are the same at the FCC rules for electromagnetic exposure, which were the reason for the big iron fans in the 1970s and 1980s computers to make the computers FCC compliant.
Dear 8-Bit Governator, Sir... no idea if anyone already pointed it out or told you... that "1046/1984" reference in the plastic (@1:43) is just a compliance reference to some German interference regulation law, comparable to a FCC compliance declaration. That's no indication of the year the device/unit was built in.
those "Amtsblattverfügungen" had consequences like a law (you could go to jail if you did not follow), but were not ratified by any parliament or president, but just issued by the minister of postal services. (litterally he was the only one who could make factual laws without asking anybody else)
Enjoyed this one immensely! Had no idea these came with Plantronics compatibility. Got a machine a few months ago with a Colorplus-compatible card inside and it's a fun thing to mess with indeed. Massive props for updating X3 to support it!
Hey, I just wanna say that while I'm not hearing impaired, I appreciate how you include closed captions on just about every video you upload. That's the kind of dedication and quality that TH-cam really needs.
Yeah, that is something. From personal experience I know setting up closed captions on youtube (At least, manually - I hear the voice recognition is much better nowadays), is a pain. I did it for my first ever video - 20 minute video, took about 30 minutes to record it, about 2 hours to edit, 3 hours to upload... And about 10 to subtitle it. >__< So, yeah. That's some serious dedication if it's being done manually.
While I'm not hearing impaired when I'm out in public and I usually don't have my headphones I always watch the 8-Bit guy and just put the subtitles on it and watch it that way
My first PC compatible was a Commodore Colt. I loved that machine. You could crank this one up to 10 megahertz. I installed the 20 MB hard drive. No one I knew you had one that big.
Can't wait for Amiga documentary! Keep up the work! Also I would point out that Commodore's PC and Amigas intersects which each other not only with that mouse port compatibility; in fact Commodore did make expansion cards for Amigas called SideCar (later "bridgeboard") that together with software called Janus changed Amigas into PC-compatible/Amiga hybrids!
It's pretty heartbreaking to see how royally Commodore dropped the ball on it. They had technology that was a decade ahead of the rest of the market that they did _nothing_ to develop further.
@@tomahzo if you want to talk about heartbreaking, then Xerox is the biggest loser in all this, they sold the kitchen sink to apple, even buggy, the aldo computer was the first with an gui, ethernet,etc, Xerox could own the industry today, but their were copyheads lol
@@tomahzo This is what they did. They had Amiga, the most advanced computer at the time so they should put all the money into it's development. Who needed overpriced PC clones? For the 8-bit they could just sell C128 and expansions for it because 8-bit era was going to an end soon and basically ended with the failure of Sam Coupe in 1989. Amiga was the future of Commodore...
@@V3ntilator That's true. Unfortunately the company was set up to operate specifically with Tramiel's type of leadership where he is at the centre of all operations and he lets engineers take a very big responsibility for themselves, which was not very common in corporations back then. It was a very different type of culture so it would've been very difficult to make it work with any other boss even if the new leadership was good at their jobs. Although, I'm not entirely convinced that Tramiel's vision would have been the best for Commodore had he stayed on. Tramiel was all about cost-cutting and selling the cheapest possible product (which was exactly the right move for products like the C64). That would turn out to be a problem when faced with competition from the new class of PC machines in the early 90:ies (VGA graphics, sound cards, faster CPUs). As can be shown with the Amiga 1200, the solution would have been to invest in new technology to stay ahead of the competition. Tramiel would not have allowed that with his low-cost mindset, which would have ended in failure too. (just look at what happened to Atari with him as the leader - he was not the right leader to face the PC threat) But Tramiel's replacements at Commodore were definitely not any better (they would have been sued by investors had their incompetence come to light) and they absolutely ran the company in the ground.
1:44 - The 1984 very likely has nothing to do with the release date of the machine. This is (afaik) referring to a regulation of the german postal office published in 1984 that the machine is in compliance with ;) DBP Vfg. 1046/1984 = Deutsche Bundespost (German postal service) Verfügung (Regulation) 1046/1984 (Number 1046 published in 1984)
It’s pretty interesting how Siemens was making processors back then. I work on fire alarms and I’ve been to a power station with a gas turbine system and fire alarm that are at least 30 years old and still working. They really know what they’re doing!
Honestly I would watch that. I have seen all the Commodore episodes at least one( earlier ones 5+ times) and I would like to watch all of them as one LONG 5+ hour marathon TH-cam video.
I used to have a Commodore 486SX-25. It had 4MB RAM and a 120MB HDD and I think the video card was a 512KB SVGA (I think the chipset was Paradise). Later I added a SoundBlaster 16 to it and then later I maxed-out the RAM with another 4MB. (8x 1MB SIMMs) It was a pretty standard desktop case, but didn't have P/S2 keyboard or mouse connectors. The mouse was a standard 9-pin serial mouse on COM1. The video and drive controllers weren't integrated, but were on expansion cards. There was also the "487 maths co-processor" socket, which I've been lead to believe was really just a 486DX that disabled the 486SX, which was a 486DX with a disabled floating-point unit. I still remember the fond times of lugging it over to a neighbours to play Doom deathmatches via a null-modem cable.
The Commodore Colt was an amazing BBS browsing machine. I had mine decked out with a spectacular 28.8k baud modem and TELIX. God I miss the BBSing days on that machine. Even though the Colt was super obsolete towards the late 1990's, nothing beat it's ability to quickly get online and perform reasonably well. (And I did use double-speed while browsing BBS's)
Wow. I had one of those Plantronics cards back in the day, and I had *no clue* it had those extra color modes. It was part of an IBM PC that was given to me by a family friend in the summer of 1988 right before I went off to college. He'd bought the PC new in '81 or '82 and had upgraded it bit by bit over the years, then in '88 he bought a totally new PS/2 and had no use for his old PC anymore, so he gave it to me. I just thought the video card was a plain old aftermarket CGA-compatible card. Learn something new every day. LOL
Don't feel bad.. due to the lack of software support, you aren't the only one. I think many people will be surprised to find out about these cards and any computer that supports the modes.
Am loving this series on Commodore dude. The VIC-20 was my first computer and is the reason I got into the IT industry many years ago. I'm almost 50 now and have loved personal computers and technology my whole life and it all started because of those old Commodore machines. Man, seeing the command LOAD "$",8 sure brings back memories! Wow, thanks for the trip down memory lane, and I love your presentation and content too.
Can I just say thank you for adding proper closed captioning to all your videos? So many people don’t and it’s a really nice gesture for those of us who need captions!
That sound of the metal rubbing when you take the case off... takes me back to the day. Nice video. I would never imagined a 386 with PS2 ports! Looking forward to the Amiga episode and your opinion as to why it did not take off.
@jdslyman Hah. That's probably it. Saw the "new" cartridge review last night. Didn't realise he posted the full printing video. Class. It's playing on the TV as I write this, and I'm finding it ver......... Um...... Its very rela............... It's.................. Um.................... I'm sorry, what was I saying?
Thank you. As a Commodore fan from 1981, it is great to see such an in depth coverage. The last time I saw one of their PCs was in 1995 when I pulled a few Colts out of Hughes Aerospace. It was from an era when departments bought their own computers, before the "Corporate Computer Model" was a thing. Thanks for this look back.
The integration of many accessories at the time of these Commodore computers is really something. Even though they were PC compatibles, the styling and feel stayed true to Commodore.
Gosh, you don't know how glad I've been to be a subscriber. I've been with you since you were the iBook Guy. I've always loved the knowledge you have to share on retro computers.
I had an IBM compatible Commodore PC. I remember it was a 286 with an impressive 1MB or RAM. It was a nice machine. It came with two floppy drives: a 5 1/4 and a 3 1/2. I loved that machine. I think I paid close to 2,000.00 for it back in 1990.
It reminds me of when I used to stock shelves at Target. I saw a product marked STD Pillow and thought, "Well, that gives new meaning to the term: Sleep Aids."
Anyone here watching too all Episodes from the 8-Bit Guy again after 1-2 Years? I am glad that i don't remember 75% of it, so it is just like a new Episode for me each Time. 😄
Those old Commodore PC's were well made. I saw one still in daily use in 2013 with an SCSI upgrade being used as a program library and a RS 485 coms through a switch box to a machine shop running CNC equipment. It certainly brought back some memories. The burn in was impressive.
To rule them all, now start every video with "GREETINGS" like Clint's LGR and end it like Techmoan: "And as always, thanks for watching" INFINITE POWER
The amount of effort going into these videos is incredible. All the restoration and then research to produce these... I'm in awe! Best channel on TH-cam, hands down!
in "zak mckraken" you must press shift P to toggle the game to composite mode, if you let it use "normal cga" it won't display the proper colors for composite.
I didn't know that.. but it wouldn't have mattered, they still wouldn't have been right. I verified with many games (including my own) that the hues for blue and green are reversed.
Amazing documentary. Thanks a lot for sharing! Commodore 64 was my first computer, when I was 6. I learned how to code in BASIC at that age and I still remember how fascinating I felt the world of 8-bit computers was. After 34 years, I still feel the same, despite my current education and overall knowledge. Again, thanks a lot for sharing such a huge amount of detailed information. I look forward to your next videos!
Could you use an Amiga 4000? It has a Newtek video Toaster, a 68040 board, flicker fixer, some TBC cards, hard drive, etc. Let me know if you are interested. original box, discs, many docs, may still have the Commodore unix discs around here somewhere as well. Not sure about that, though.
videodistro Lame show this is, he in not willing to collaborate, not understanding.... He just needs hits by lame nedry people, not willing to do it any good. TH-cam Jobs! SCO UNIX, what do u still have now? any pre 1994 UNIX? I can't find any on the channel....Just do uploads so we can see what you chat here!
Do NOT sell it, you can never buy that computer with that hardware ever again, they cost a LOT now already, wish i had money to buy a Amiga 4000, i always wanted one, back in the 90s, but then they cost about ƒ4000,- that is +/- without inflation $2000,- back in 1992 and later.
Almost the same story for Atari... I bought a Atari PC4 in 1989. Great machine. 60Mb harddisk, 1Mb RAM, onboard VGA, ... A little later it was game over for them too.
Thanks for reminding me why I stayed with the Commodore 8 bit and then the Amiga all throughout the eighties. I suspect the Commodore engineers rolled their eyes when these came of the assembly lines, knowing that the Amiga was so much more versatile.
This brings me back to my first job in Berlin... I had to look after 30 Commodrore 286s and 2 386 in 1990... We used the 2 386s as Novell network servers. The 286s ran DOS and we used the Framework Office suite, before moving to Windows 3.0 and Word/Excel 2.0.... Time flies...
Reminds me of the graphics card of Amstrad/Schneider XT computers. They were CGA compatible but also had an Amstrad mode that supported 16 colors. I only had one program that supported this mode: Deluxe Paint II by Electronic Arts.
It doesn't matter the subject, I have to watch. I've said this on other channels, anyone who is passionate about be it and knows what they are talking about, is easy and enjoyable to watch.
I've never been much interested in PCs and their history but after I found your channel I'm really enjoying it! Congratulations and keep up the good work!
I remember the PC-20! I saw it in 1995, in one of the last Italian stores selling Commodore software and hardware. Of course, back then I wasn't well-versed in the history of Commodore, so I thought it was a desktop version of the Vic-20.
I'm really impressed with your knowledge of these machines, and more impressed that you seem to have them all in beautiful clean working condition, and more than that that many have the original boxes, styrofoam packing, cords, and literature, all in pristine condition.
I LOVE this episode. I remember the Commodore Colt on display next to the game consoles on the glass showcase at Toys R Us when I was a kid. At that time I had a IBM PS/1 ... good times ☺️
AdLib, Hercules, CGA. OMG, this is my tens and early 20s. Just recently found your channel a d have been watching the Commodore history vids. Brings back so many memories.
Beautiful! I had that exact ATi graphics card in my IBM 5150 ca. 1990, and enjoyed running the ATi-supplied diags to see 16-color 640x200 mode in action. Was always disappointed that Windows 3.0 did not support it.
Just seeing that image viewer interface and the 'full color' photo displayed brought back the weirdest nostalgia... I remember one time browsing some local BBS' limited stash of (semi) dirty pics, waiting at least half an hour for *one* to download on our 1200bps modem... all just to see some random swimsuit model rendered in glorious/hideous CGA.
@1:43 The year 1984 on the PC-1 refers to the year of a regulation (law) about radioshielding. The literal translation is: " Radioshielded after DBP (Deutsche Bundespost, think: FCC) regulation 1064/1984.
You could speak to the nostalgia nerd with the Amiga part as he did a diverse 2 part documentary on the Amiga, which could be a good source of information for you
Nice. My father used to have a PC-20-II (I think). Must've been around 1989 when he had it. He was able to even do telebanking (old skool internet banking) with some old modem. It also was able to a multitask thing; it was able to speak in our native tongue at a specific time telling me it was time for bed.The laptop reminds me of my old Toshiba T3200 laptop. Keep it up!
So interesting fact: I'm in Ottawa, Canada and we had a TON of those 386SX-25 models in my high school. I could be wrong but I want to say we later got some 486 models too. So it does appear they were sold outside of Europe but I wonder if it was only sold to educational channels in North America as my school board had a long-standing relationship with Commodore right up until they went under. After that, they started buying machines from a local retailer for a while, then switched to Digital Pentium 75 systems which were absolute junk and failed left and right.
Loving the historical documentary series, keep up the great work! I don't find myself ever yelling at you like I do with other creators who interject their own theory or opinion into their "documentaries". Thank you!
Oh I remember that article in _COMPUTE!'s Gazette_ where I first read about those, and some time later Commodore PCs popped up in the local Commodore store alongside the 64s and Amigas.
Very nice article and very informative. In the past (1987 to 1994) I owned a C128 with 1541c (everything except the C128 is still exexisting) and this is still my field of interest in vintage computers. OK, a C128 I would have to get a new one first. But I still own my first PC, a 93 Conrad AT 386 which I like to use again and again. From the attic of a flat I could save an IBM 5170, but in the beginning of the 93s It was pimped by the unknown owner with a 386 motherboard. I love this one too. And exactly this PC has the same keyboard as the shown Commodore PC-20 III at 12:47. The type label on the bottom is on the manufacturer Mitsumi. I am always fascinated how clean you get the cases. I tried to clean the black spots on my 1541c the other day - no success. Not with Testbenzin, not with Isopropanolalkohol, not with WD-40, not with Kaltreiniger (for dirty car parts) ... pffff, not with Spiritus oder Brennspiritus ... I ran out of ideas. But anyway, a way will be found. Now is a lot of time for that ... ;o) Oh, yeah, I forgot about the C386SX-LT. I got it at a flea market once. Runs Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22. Crazy stuff. It looks exactly like the device shown at 22:03.
This was very interesting. I'm 32 so I was very young when Commodore went away and too young to understand what was going on with computers. At that time I'd only ever used a Mac because that's what we had a school. It's so fascinating to see how computers and PC's specifically have evolved over the years.
Can you imagine working on one of these computers and the graphics mode for it, not knowing that the first game ever to support your device will be made in 2019, nearly 40 years in the future?
Are you saying you worked on that graphics mode back then?
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Thanks for the video! Sold our Commodore PC-10 II (with two 360kB floppy drives) and a matching Commodore monochrome monitor in the early 90s. Now I wish I hadn't.
I DID NOT KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WE TROW ALL THOSE PC 20 INTO ONE BIG CONTAINER TO DISTROY, DID I NEVER TROW IT AWAY, THOSE THINGS ARE MONEY THOSE DAYS, luf your vids👍
I remember those. My dad used to have one too (PC 20 III i think) and in fact THIS is how i got in contact with Commodore at all, together with a borrowed C64. I remember this IBM compatible PC to be a really slow machine without VGA or EGA output. Just a black&Yellow monochrome Monitor and one standard 3,5' floppy drive (for low density disks). The whole thing always made weird boot up sounds and was super slow. Hard drive was i think 10 or 20 MB. I don't remember ever having done much with it, except using the Norton Commander to browse through the computer & exploring a excel like program, loading stuff from the floppies that came with it and play "Magic Pool Billard" on it with my sister. It didn't even have a soundcard. Just the internal speaker. I really started at the absolute bottom but i found it SOOO cool that my dad actually had a PC. However he didn't do much with it. I must have probably used the thing more than he ever did. He even had tons of software that came with it and many books.
Thanks very much for doing this, I'm loving the Commodore History series! The Commodore PC-10 was our first PC my father bought. It was in 1988 IIRC. However at least in Germany it did not come with that ATI graphics card, but instead just a display card that could not show graphics, just characters. So when I was excited to get my hands on a copy of the awesome game Digger the disappointment was huge when my father told me that it won't work on the machine. He knew though how much me and my sister wanted to be able to play that game at home we drove an hour to his employer, which was an IT company, to get a graphics card (sadly I don''t know which brand, model etc., but it was a full length card) along with a compatible monitor. So instead of our cool looking green monochrome picture we then had a blue picture which you could also be set to inverted colors. I was in heaven when we fired of Digger :-) That keyboard layout having the key to fire (F1) on the top left was very handy for Digger compared to the later standard layout. Sadly we gave the Commodore away when we upgraded to an IBM PS/2 in 1992, but I have the Atari PC3 my uncle bought in 1989 which offers the same experience but with an cool looking orange monochrome display. Regarding the part of the video at 1:42 that label saying 1984 just shows a year number for when that technical mandate was released by DBP (Deutsche Bundespost = German Mail Service) which at that time were the state-run monopolist for everything related to communication. So they mandated inspections and approvals for technical devices making sure they won't interfere with other electronic devices and over the air transmissions due to excessive electro magnetic radiation. Greets!
That sound of opening the case ... Remembers me of buying my first MS-DOS computer back in 1988 with a 40MB hard-disk... I was 15 years old at that time; worked all summer to buy that computer (and got a big financial help of my parents). My mom always loved to be on the pc; playing games, getting into a BBS (and later internet)... She always loved using a computer; typing her texts for the local volleybalclub-magazine (first in Notepad, later WordPerfect and Word), wondering around BBS & internet (and telling her stories about the old city she was born at a Facebook-group) or just playing a simple game. She passed away last november; the memories just came back by that simple of the case (and that first computer I bought wasn't a Commodore at all - My parents had a C64, so I do have any connection to your channel ;-) )... Thank you, 8-bit-guy!
It's 1am and I need to go to sleep. What have you done!
same
@Sam Zurick here have this instead injects LIQUEFIED weed in your veins
@@raven4k998 that’ll put him to sleep
@@EthanDoezYT or at least make him docile at the very least
@SammyZurick I see your 4:39am and I give you 5:38am
The PC-1 was build in 1987, the 1984 date stamp is only for the radioshield guidelines of 1984 in Germany.
Thanks, just wanted to say that too
Yes. I came here to say the same thing 😉
same :D
It was build among many other commodore hardware at Commodore Büromaschinen GmbH in Braunschweig, its my home town, too.
Yes. DBP stands for "Deutsche Bundespost". It's the old name of the "Deutsche Post" and until the 1990s every electronical component had to checked by them, if they emit any radio signals that could disrupt for example radio programs. The printing just says, that the product is checked to comply to this standards.
They are the same at the FCC rules for electromagnetic exposure, which were the reason for the big iron fans in the 1970s and 1980s computers to make the computers FCC compliant.
Dear 8-Bit Governator, Sir... no idea if anyone already pointed it out or told you... that "1046/1984" reference in the plastic (@1:43) is just a compliance reference to some German interference regulation law, comparable to a FCC compliance declaration. That's no indication of the year the device/unit was built in.
Long live the 8-bit Governator
I just wanted to pint that out, but TH-cam comments are as reliable as always. Thank you!
Or the 8-Bit Keymasher Vs the Perifactorial Retro Rythm in a epic Synth battle. *whoo*
those "Amtsblattverfügungen" had consequences like a law (you could go to jail if you did not follow), but were not ratified by any parliament or president, but just issued by the minister of postal services. (litterally he was the only one who could make factual laws without asking anybody else)
If i ever start a punk band... i'll call it Funkentstört
Enjoyed this one immensely! Had no idea these came with Plantronics compatibility.
Got a machine a few months ago with a Colorplus-compatible card inside and it's a fun thing to mess with indeed. Massive props for updating X3 to support it!
@@Angelgreat Why not?
Maybe they are friends? Why do you care?
@@Angelgreat Maybe because he's allowed to like other people's videos and not just his own :o
@@Angelgreat why not?
@@Angelgreat why do you like your own comment?
Hey, I just wanna say that while I'm not hearing impaired, I appreciate how you include closed captions on just about every video you upload. That's the kind of dedication and quality that TH-cam really needs.
Yeah, that is something.
From personal experience I know setting up closed captions on youtube (At least, manually - I hear the voice recognition is much better nowadays), is a pain.
I did it for my first ever video - 20 minute video, took about 30 minutes to record it, about 2 hours to edit, 3 hours to upload...
And about 10 to subtitle it. >__<
So, yeah. That's some serious dedication if it's being done manually.
You're welcome! I have actually made it a habit to transcribe every video I do. It helps with translation to other languages.
While I'm not hearing impaired when I'm out in public and I usually don't have my headphones I always watch the 8-Bit guy and just put the subtitles on it and watch it that way
@Anshul Birajdar No time soon, with an attitude like that.
@@The8BitGuy Would you mind telling me what's your e-mail, please? I want to collaborate to this video with Spanish subtitles.
>get home from work
>See a new Commodore History video
Ah, Life is good.
Direrain - OOF
@@itsJWPH F*** LG and anyone else who tries to claim a common expression as a trademark, copyright or patent. :-(
Kek
It was actually just a reference to Leela's boss in Futurama. First Episode.
Me:well time to go to bed
The 8-bit guy: uploads video
Me:well I’m not that tired
My exact sentiments!
Haha same
My exact thought
Same!!
I second this notion, and please highlight this reply.
My first PC compatible was a Commodore Colt. I loved that machine. You could crank this one up to 10 megahertz. I installed the 20 MB hard drive. No one I knew you had one that big.
8:28 Your reflection in your monitor scared the hell out of me because I thought it was my own.
Can't wait for Amiga documentary! Keep up the work!
Also I would point out that Commodore's PC and Amigas intersects which each other not only with that mouse port compatibility; in fact Commodore did make expansion cards for Amigas called SideCar (later "bridgeboard") that together with software called Janus changed Amigas into PC-compatible/Amiga hybrids!
Still can't wait for it...
2 years later :(
@@StabStabStabStabby soon :)
But wait you did. But now its here! And there was much rejoicing.
This is literally my favorite series on all of TH-cam.
Its amazing how far ahead of 1985 PC's the first Amiga was, literally night and day.
It's pretty heartbreaking to see how royally Commodore dropped the ball on it. They had technology that was a decade ahead of the rest of the market that they did _nothing_ to develop further.
@@tomahzo if you want to talk about heartbreaking, then Xerox is the biggest loser in all this, they sold the kitchen sink to apple, even buggy, the aldo computer was the first with an gui, ethernet,etc, Xerox could own the industry today, but their were copyheads lol
@@tomahzo This is what they did. They had Amiga, the most advanced computer at the time so they should put all the money into it's development. Who needed overpriced PC clones? For the 8-bit they could just sell C128 and expansions for it because 8-bit era was going to an end soon and basically ended with the failure of Sam Coupe in 1989. Amiga was the future of Commodore...
@@tomahzo Commodore went to shit when Tramiel quitted as boss. The new boss were totally clueless and ran Commodore in to the ground.
@@V3ntilator That's true. Unfortunately the company was set up to operate specifically with Tramiel's type of leadership where he is at the centre of all operations and he lets engineers take a very big responsibility for themselves, which was not very common in corporations back then. It was a very different type of culture so it would've been very difficult to make it work with any other boss even if the new leadership was good at their jobs. Although, I'm not entirely convinced that Tramiel's vision would have been the best for Commodore had he stayed on. Tramiel was all about cost-cutting and selling the cheapest possible product (which was exactly the right move for products like the C64). That would turn out to be a problem when faced with competition from the new class of PC machines in the early 90:ies (VGA graphics, sound cards, faster CPUs). As can be shown with the Amiga 1200, the solution would have been to invest in new technology to stay ahead of the competition. Tramiel would not have allowed that with his low-cost mindset, which would have ended in failure too. (just look at what happened to Atari with him as the leader - he was not the right leader to face the PC threat) But Tramiel's replacements at Commodore were definitely not any better (they would have been sued by investors had their incompetence come to light) and they absolutely ran the company in the ground.
1:44 - The 1984 very likely has nothing to do with the release date of the machine. This is (afaik) referring to a regulation of the german postal office published in 1984 that the machine is in compliance with ;)
DBP Vfg. 1046/1984 = Deutsche Bundespost (German postal service) Verfügung (Regulation) 1046/1984 (Number 1046 published in 1984)
yep. this is correct. this date has nothing to do with the date the computer was sold. it is purely the year of the regulation paper.
Just started typing a similar answer, and then saw you came first. Cheers!
@@cardinalcam Cheers! ;)
Yes. The Commodore 116 has DBP 529/1970, so the Number 529 published in 1970 not the computer:
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The lack of static fuzz in that transition between the intro and the actual video threw me in for a loop.
I know that we're running out of models one day, but I just wish the commodore history series to go on and on forever.
It’s pretty interesting how Siemens was making processors back then. I work on fire alarms and I’ve been to a power station with a gas turbine system and fire alarm that are at least 30 years old and still working. They really know what they’re doing!
Always interesting to watch older machines run modern software...and run it well. Great job on adding the enhanced color modes to Planet X3!
call of boot E: modern software
A 5 hours video??
"8-bit Guy: The Movie - Extended Cut"
Would watch
Honestly I would watch that. I have seen all the Commodore episodes at least one( earlier ones 5+ times) and I would like to watch all of them as one LONG 5+ hour marathon TH-cam video.
@@gustavgurke9665 Will buy!
8-Bit Guy: The Movie - Retrobright Edition
I read it as "8-bit Guy: The Movie - Extended Cat"
I used to have a Commodore 486SX-25. It had 4MB RAM and a 120MB HDD and I think the video card was a 512KB SVGA (I think the chipset was Paradise). Later I added a SoundBlaster 16 to it and then later I maxed-out the RAM with another 4MB. (8x 1MB SIMMs)
It was a pretty standard desktop case, but didn't have P/S2 keyboard or mouse connectors. The mouse was a standard 9-pin serial mouse on COM1. The video and drive controllers weren't integrated, but were on expansion cards. There was also the "487 maths co-processor" socket, which I've been lead to believe was really just a 486DX that disabled the 486SX, which was a 486DX with a disabled floating-point unit.
I still remember the fond times of lugging it over to a neighbours to play Doom deathmatches via a null-modem cable.
The Commodore Colt was an amazing BBS browsing machine. I had mine decked out with a spectacular 28.8k baud modem and TELIX. God I miss the BBSing days on that machine. Even though the Colt was super obsolete towards the late 1990's, nothing beat it's ability to quickly get online and perform reasonably well. (And I did use double-speed while browsing BBS's)
Telix! Those were the days.
Wow. I had one of those Plantronics cards back in the day, and I had *no clue* it had those extra color modes. It was part of an IBM PC that was given to me by a family friend in the summer of 1988 right before I went off to college. He'd bought the PC new in '81 or '82 and had upgraded it bit by bit over the years, then in '88 he bought a totally new PS/2 and had no use for his old PC anymore, so he gave it to me. I just thought the video card was a plain old aftermarket CGA-compatible card. Learn something new every day. LOL
Don't feel bad.. due to the lack of software support, you aren't the only one. I think many people will be surprised to find out about these cards and any computer that supports the modes.
"The more you know."
Is that Plantronics is who makes headphones and headsets now?
Am loving this series on Commodore dude. The VIC-20 was my first computer and is the reason I got into the IT industry many years ago. I'm almost 50 now and have loved personal computers and technology my whole life and it all started because of those old Commodore machines. Man, seeing the command LOAD "$",8 sure brings back memories! Wow, thanks for the trip down memory lane, and I love your presentation and content too.
Can I just say thank you for adding proper closed captioning to all your videos? So many people don’t and it’s a really nice gesture for those of us who need captions!
You're welcome! I do it for the hearing impaired as well as to make it easier to translate to other languages.
That sound of the metal rubbing when you take the case off... takes me back to the day. Nice video. I would never imagined a 386 with PS2 ports! Looking forward to the Amiga episode and your opinion as to why it did not take off.
Hell yeah an LGR ASMR video and a 8 bit guy video in the same day, perfect
Where is the LGR vid of which you comment??
@jdslyman Hah. That's probably it. Saw the "new" cartridge review last night. Didn't realise he posted the full printing video. Class. It's playing on the TV as I write this, and I'm finding it ver......... Um...... Its very rela............... It's.................. Um.................... I'm sorry, what was I saying?
th-cam.com/video/98bK1Lww3hY/w-d-xo.html
You forgetting Techmoan?
@@Clay3613 Dammit, I'm not going to bed anytime soon, am I?
Thank you.
As a Commodore fan from 1981, it is great to see such an in depth coverage.
The last time I saw one of their PCs was in 1995 when I pulled a few Colts out of Hughes Aerospace. It was from an era when departments bought their own computers, before the "Corporate Computer Model" was a thing.
Thanks for this look back.
The integration of many accessories at the time of these Commodore computers is really something. Even though they were PC compatibles, the styling and feel stayed true to Commodore.
Gosh, you don't know how glad I've been to be a subscriber. I've been with you since you were the iBook Guy. I've always loved the knowledge you have to share on retro computers.
Looking forward to the Amiga history! Thanks David!
So am I!
Same here, it's been 4 months :P
AMIGA!!!!!
I had an IBM compatible Commodore PC. I remember it was a 286 with an impressive 1MB or RAM. It was a nice machine. It came with two floppy drives: a 5 1/4 and a 3 1/2. I loved that machine. I think I paid close to 2,000.00 for it back in 1990.
>What should I watch next?
*8-bit guy video appears*
>Ah, perfect!
Same
Same
Literally the same!!!!!!!!!!!
I was life shit what next.
-Phone vibrates-
Email: The 8-bit Guy just uploaded a video.
Me:Fuck Yea!!!!
Ctrl+Alt+STD.
Wait what?
Better get some protection.
XtreeM FaiL semen chip.
Gives computer viruses a whole new meaning
@surfitlive Siemens chip
It reminds me of when I used to stock shelves at Target. I saw a product marked STD Pillow and thought, "Well, that gives new meaning to the term: Sleep Aids."
4:17
Your synthwave soundtrack continues to amaze. Never change.
Yeh.
I love how these PC compatibles look, prefer the Amiga line tho, looking forward to that episode!
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2 years later :(
If they were designed in Germany as it appears, it's the same design team as the Amiga 2000.
That Plantronics mode for X3 is just amazing on a machine like that. Congrats, man. That's a great achievement.
Anyone here watching too all Episodes from the 8-Bit Guy again after 1-2 Years?
I am glad that i don't remember 75% of it, so it is just like a new Episode for me each Time. 😄
Since the PC10 says Made in W-Germany on the back, it probably made sense to use a Siemens 8088, saving customs and shipping...
Those old Commodore PC's were well made. I saw one still in daily use in 2013 with an SCSI upgrade being used as a program library and a RS 485 coms through a switch box to a machine shop running CNC equipment. It certainly brought back some memories. The burn in was impressive.
Excited to see this. I've really enjoyed your entire Commodore History series!
Same.
Sold my C-64 and SX-64 and never paid attention to Commodore again. Never heard of any of this from them. Thanks for the education!
Love the video. My high school in the early 1990s in Ontario had about a dozen Commodore 386s, FYI.
Thank you for the great video! You make nerds happy all around the world 😂 Greetings from W. Germany 😉
To rule them all, now start every video with "GREETINGS" like Clint's LGR and end it like Techmoan: "And as always, thanks for watching"
INFINITE POWER
He could squish a clay figurine under a stack of CRTs à la The Hydraulic Press Channel
The amount of effort going into these videos is incredible. All the restoration and then research to produce these... I'm in awe! Best channel on TH-cam, hands down!
in "zak mckraken" you must press shift P to toggle the game to composite mode, if you let it use "normal cga" it won't display the proper colors for composite.
I didn't know that.. but it wouldn't have mattered, they still wouldn't have been right. I verified with many games (including my own) that the hues for blue and green are reversed.
Amazing documentary. Thanks a lot for sharing!
Commodore 64 was my first computer, when I was 6. I learned how to code in BASIC at that age and I still remember how fascinating I felt the world of 8-bit computers was. After 34 years, I still feel the same, despite my current education and overall knowledge. Again, thanks a lot for sharing such a huge amount of detailed information. I look forward to your next videos!
Can't wait for the Amiga episode.
how did you make a comment 7 hours ago on a video up for 4 minutes? lol
Or an IBM series..
@@ryandontlikeyou Imagine the "Aliens" meme but with the word: "Patreon"
Waited too long tbh
just realized you're quickly approaching 1M subs! good job!
Could you use an Amiga 4000? It has a Newtek video Toaster, a 68040 board, flicker fixer, some TBC cards, hard drive, etc. Let me know if you are interested. original box, discs, many docs, may still have the Commodore unix discs around here somewhere as well. Not sure about that, though.
videodistro
Lame show this is, he in not willing to collaborate, not understanding....
He just needs hits by lame nedry people, not willing to do it any good. TH-cam Jobs!
SCO UNIX, what do u still have now? any pre 1994 UNIX? I can't find any on the channel....Just do uploads so we can see what you chat here!
Email the 8-Bit Guy instead of commenting.
Do NOT sell it, you can never buy that computer with that hardware ever again, they cost a LOT now already, wish i had money to buy a Amiga 4000, i always wanted one, back in the 90s, but then they cost about ƒ4000,- that is +/- without inflation $2000,- back in 1992 and later.
The PC-10, I remember that one. It looks very sleek and modern still!
yesssss commodore is one of my favorite retro brands I’m so happy this is finally out
Just-no
favorite retro brands, why you need them, running what?
Nerdy wet dreams? weirdo guy? uber nerdy?
@@lucasrem why are u here in this channel if u dont like retro stuff
The Orville on a Commodore? That must be a first... :))
😁 loved it!
Is this the same Orville where they time warp a banana?
11:35 "Something modern"
Hey, you watch the Orville too, huh??
nope.. Stupid show.
He's a man of taste
STD would have been far too dim to show.
DirtyBob6969
Better than the shit that is Star Trek Discovery and all the shit SJW pandering it does
Yeah, he's watching it. I know because I read a dummy text file he wrote when doing a documentary on the VIC-20 or something.
I never get tired of your musical intro
Alpha Centauri B is now one of my favorite songs.
I finished binge watching the commodore videos last night. I did not expect to get this today.
You are seriously amazing
AMAZING! Your videos are entertaining, and relaxing. Keep your work! ILY
yeh
DanielEthanMC
entertaining, uber nerdy levels.......
Old people, still up in mums house.....
TH-cam job you need too, 2019 work!
Almost the same story for Atari... I bought a Atari PC4 in 1989. Great machine. 60Mb harddisk, 1Mb RAM, onboard VGA, ... A little later it was game over for them too.
That was a great machine! ;-)
When I saw this video come up in my que I could not click like fast enough. Awesome work as always Thank You!!
Thanks for reminding me why I stayed with the Commodore 8 bit and then the Amiga all throughout the eighties. I suspect the Commodore engineers rolled their eyes when these came of the assembly lines, knowing that the Amiga was so much more versatile.
0:54 Actual photo of Commodore's MOS chip lab
Who told you?
@@jonathanbauerle4422 I've seen it and I remember it looking exactly
Haha
This information must be kept secret.
Ah but the picture doesn't have the toxins in the air or the leaking tanks of poison in to the groundwater.
This brings me back to my first job in Berlin... I had to look after 30 Commodrore 286s and 2 386 in 1990... We used the 2 386s as Novell network servers. The 286s ran DOS and we used the Framework Office suite, before moving to Windows 3.0 and Word/Excel 2.0.... Time flies...
Reminds me of the graphics card of Amstrad/Schneider XT computers. They were CGA compatible but also had an Amstrad mode that supported 16 colors. I only had one program that supported this mode: Deluxe Paint II by Electronic Arts.
i really like your content :)
Dank je!
Hello
It doesn't matter the subject, I have to watch. I've said this on other channels, anyone who is passionate about be it and knows what they are talking about, is easy and enjoyable to watch.
yasss, I love commodore history, I was waiting for this...
We all were.
I've never been much interested in PCs and their history but after I found your channel I'm really enjoying it! Congratulations and keep up the good work!
I remember the PC-20! I saw it in 1995, in one of the last Italian stores selling Commodore software and hardware. Of course, back then I wasn't well-versed in the history of Commodore, so I thought it was a desktop version of the Vic-20.
I'm really impressed with your knowledge of these machines, and more impressed that you seem to have them all in beautiful clean working condition, and more than that that many have the original boxes, styrofoam packing, cords, and literature, all in pristine condition.
So close to 1 million,great job!!! (Been here since like 300k)
I LOVE this episode. I remember the Commodore Colt on display next to the game consoles on the glass showcase at Toys R Us when I was a kid. At that time I had a IBM PS/1 ... good times ☺️
Just to be exact on the last one:
That's not a jumper but a header.
A jumper is a link between pads/traces/pins...
AdLib, Hercules, CGA. OMG, this is my tens and early 20s.
Just recently found your channel a d have been watching the Commodore history vids. Brings back so many memories.
We need Amiga for the Next Documentary episode! At least this one is Cool! 👏🏻🤩🤘🏻
yea
Beautiful! I had that exact ATi graphics card in my IBM 5150 ca. 1990, and enjoyed running the ATi-supplied diags to see 16-color 640x200 mode in action. Was always disappointed that Windows 3.0 did not support it.
The 386 looked an awful lot like what would become the Amiga 4000 case.
Just seeing that image viewer interface and the 'full color' photo displayed brought back the weirdest nostalgia...
I remember one time browsing some local BBS' limited stash of (semi) dirty pics, waiting at least half an hour for *one* to download on our 1200bps modem... all just to see some random swimsuit model rendered in glorious/hideous CGA.
@1:43
The year 1984 on the PC-1 refers to the year of a regulation (law) about radioshielding. The literal translation is: " Radioshielded after DBP (Deutsche Bundespost, think: FCC) regulation 1064/1984.
true, 5 hrs would be a long time.
you did really great covering their line of vintage pcs that matter.
thank you.
You could speak to the nostalgia nerd with the Amiga part as he did a diverse 2 part documentary on the Amiga, which could be a good source of information for you
How did you post this 4 hours ago if the video came out 5 minutes ago
I second that.
Patreon my friends, Patreon
I love your intro...very uplifting, especially in these times. I was a CoCo guy, but I do love this series.
-Ok, let's go to bed, it's late here.....
*a wild 8 Bit Guy video notification appears*
-Oh....bed can wait then
Same here, Bubby
Nice. My father used to have a PC-20-II (I think). Must've been around 1989 when he had it. He was able to even do telebanking (old skool internet banking) with some old modem. It also was able to a multitask thing; it was able to speak in our native tongue at a specific time telling me it was time for bed.The laptop reminds me of my old Toshiba T3200 laptop. Keep it up!
So interesting fact: I'm in Ottawa, Canada and we had a TON of those 386SX-25 models in my high school. I could be wrong but I want to say we later got some 486 models too. So it does appear they were sold outside of Europe but I wonder if it was only sold to educational channels in North America as my school board had a long-standing relationship with Commodore right up until they went under. After that, they started buying machines from a local retailer for a while, then switched to Digital Pentium 75 systems which were absolute junk and failed left and right.
Loving the historical documentary series, keep up the great work! I don't find myself ever yelling at you like I do with other creators who interject their own theory or opinion into their "documentaries". Thank you!
Awesome history, I didn't recall commodore PCs.
Oh I remember that article in _COMPUTE!'s Gazette_ where I first read about those, and some time later Commodore PCs popped up in the local Commodore store alongside the 64s and Amigas.
Had a Colt, it was my first PC(IBM clone), Got a EGA card for it and a 3.5 floppy drive, I was living on the bleeding edge hardware wise.
Oh man, what a blast from the past. Back in the day, my Cousin had a C64, I had an Amiga 500......i was the king of the world!
The PC50 II look like so much as an Amiga 4000 inside and outside!
Very nice article and very informative. In the past (1987 to 1994) I owned a C128 with 1541c (everything except the C128 is still exexisting) and this is still my field of interest in vintage computers. OK, a C128 I would have to get a new one first. But I still own my first PC, a 93 Conrad AT 386 which I like to use again and again.
From the attic of a flat I could save an IBM 5170, but in the beginning of the 93s It was pimped by the unknown owner with a 386 motherboard. I love this one too.
And exactly this PC has the same keyboard as the shown Commodore PC-20 III at 12:47. The type label on the bottom is on the manufacturer Mitsumi.
I am always fascinated how clean you get the cases. I tried to clean the black spots on my 1541c the other day - no success. Not with Testbenzin, not with Isopropanolalkohol, not with WD-40, not with Kaltreiniger (for dirty car parts) ... pffff, not with Spiritus oder Brennspiritus ... I ran out of ideas.
But anyway, a way will be found. Now is a lot of time for that ... ;o)
Oh, yeah, I forgot about the C386SX-LT. I got it at a flea market once. Runs Windows 3.1 and DOS 6.22. Crazy stuff. It looks exactly like the device shown at 22:03.
10:51pm...need sleep work in a few hours
10:52pm...8 Bit Guy uploads video
10:52pm...WHO NEEDS SLEEP!?
mhm
Damn you're so fucking original yet even 12yo kids outran you
This was very interesting. I'm 32 so I was very young when Commodore went away and too young to understand what was going on with computers. At that time I'd only ever used a Mac because that's what we had a school. It's so fascinating to see how computers and PC's specifically have evolved over the years.
Can you imagine working on one of these computers and the graphics mode for it, not knowing that the first game ever to support your device will be made in 2019, nearly 40 years in the future?
Are you saying you worked on that graphics mode back then?
Thanks for the video! Sold our Commodore PC-10 II (with two 360kB floppy drives) and a matching Commodore monochrome monitor in the early 90s. Now I wish I hadn't.
I DID NOT KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WE TROW ALL THOSE PC 20 INTO ONE BIG CONTAINER TO DISTROY, DID I NEVER TROW IT AWAY, THOSE THINGS ARE MONEY THOSE DAYS, luf your vids👍
I remember those. My dad used to have one too (PC 20 III i think) and in fact THIS is how i got in contact with Commodore at all, together with a borrowed C64. I remember this IBM compatible PC to be a really slow machine without VGA or EGA output. Just a black&Yellow monochrome Monitor and one standard 3,5' floppy drive (for low density disks). The whole thing always made weird boot up sounds and was super slow. Hard drive was i think 10 or 20 MB. I don't remember ever having done much with it, except using the Norton Commander to browse through the computer & exploring a excel like program, loading stuff from the floppies that came with it and play "Magic Pool Billard" on it with my sister. It didn't even have a soundcard. Just the internal speaker. I really started at the absolute bottom but i found it SOOO cool that my dad actually had a PC. However he didn't do much with it. I must have probably used the thing more than he ever did. He even had tons of software that came with it and many books.
A friend owned at the time an Amiga 1000 with the very interesting Sidecar..... this was a combination with an MS-DOS compatible XT-hardware
Thanks very much for doing this, I'm loving the Commodore History series!
The Commodore PC-10 was our first PC my father bought. It was in 1988 IIRC. However at least in Germany it did not come with that ATI graphics card, but instead just a display card that could not show graphics, just characters. So when I was excited to get my hands on a copy of the awesome game Digger the disappointment was huge when my father told me that it won't work on the machine. He knew though how much me and my sister wanted to be able to play that game at home we drove an hour to his employer, which was an IT company, to get a graphics card (sadly I don''t know which brand, model etc., but it was a full length card) along with a compatible monitor. So instead of our cool looking green monochrome picture we then had a blue picture which you could also be set to inverted colors. I was in heaven when we fired of Digger :-) That keyboard layout having the key to fire (F1) on the top left was very handy for Digger compared to the later standard layout.
Sadly we gave the Commodore away when we upgraded to an IBM PS/2 in 1992, but I have the Atari PC3 my uncle bought in 1989 which offers the same experience but with an cool looking orange monochrome display.
Regarding the part of the video at 1:42 that label saying 1984 just shows a year number for when that technical mandate was released by DBP (Deutsche Bundespost = German Mail Service) which at that time were the state-run monopolist for everything related to communication. So they mandated inspections and approvals for technical devices making sure they won't interfere with other electronic devices and over the air transmissions due to excessive electro magnetic radiation.
Greets!
The 1984 on the back refers to the german FCC law the machine complies to. IMHO it has no connection to the release date.
true true
the text only says "suppressed against noise or interference by specification/standard 1046/1984"
it was the releasedate of the specs...
This series definitely belong to museums. The huge amout of knowledge (technical and historical) is unprecedented.
That sound of opening the case ... Remembers me of buying my first MS-DOS computer back in 1988 with a 40MB hard-disk... I was 15 years old at that time; worked all summer to buy that computer (and got a big financial help of my parents). My mom always loved to be on the pc; playing games, getting into a BBS (and later internet)... She always loved using a computer; typing her texts for the local volleybalclub-magazine (first in Notepad, later WordPerfect and Word), wondering around BBS & internet (and telling her stories about the old city she was born at a Facebook-group) or just playing a simple game. She passed away last november; the memories just came back by that simple of the case (and that first computer I bought wasn't a Commodore at all - My parents had a C64, so I do have any connection to your channel ;-) )... Thank you, 8-bit-guy!
Been waiting for this episode. Our first pc was a Colt. Green phosphor monitor and dual factory floppies. Wish we still had it.