Heartbreaking and many heartbroken as Irish man against Irish man fought, a necessary evil and Dev knew this when he refused to go to London and sent Collins there and then sent Collins to a death sentence.
Collins was soldier, sent by de Valera (a politician) to do a politicians job. de Valera knew the deal would be bad and wanted Collins to get the blame.
Your grandfather's would be turning in his grave if he could see what our leaders done to our country. The problem has been here since I've been in school My generation never stood a chance in the country Look at how many people in there 30s still live with there parents Look at how many of our school friends left the country soon after school The asylum seekers coming in might be part of our current problem, but the government made this problem a long time ago and the war in Ukraine has only highlighted it
@@Irishman089 I realize that Ireland has many problems. Some of these problems also exist here in the US. I am editing my answer here because I respect Davy and don't want to discuss politics here on his TH-cam channel.
@@Dan4CW no come and visit Ireland definitely. American's seem to love Ireland and it's definitely a lovely country in its own way. I actually didn't realise you weren't Irish (living here) I'm saying for people growing up in Ireland we have been let down by our government for as long as I remember. There are no jobs and we are in a huge housing crisis. House are on the market for say 300k but are sold at a much higher price because there is so little property for sale If you want to rent a 2 bed room apartment outside Dublin it was about 600 per month 10 years ago, now it could be 3 times that Our wages haven't gone up and we get very little benifits off the government Our hospitals are over crowded, so bad that you might not even get a bed You could be left waiting in A&E for over 24 hours before you get seen to A 16 year old girl died in A&E in Limerick in 2022 because staff were to busy to come to here attention, even though her parents were begging for help Untop of all this Ireland has always been a left wing country, but it's all changing over the past year or 2 The government are taking in 100s of thousands asylum seekers from anywhere, no background checks, no passports and they are giving them places to live while there are 14k Irish people homeless It's so sad to say but we are being over ran in our on country, completely forgot about, and as I said we are a very left wing country historical Over the past few months certain communities are standing up to the government and fighting back, resulting in mini riots Buildings are being burnt down I live in Ireland's biggest town and it is a mess. Locals are scared to walk into town The town itself is actually falling down. 2 buildings in the town had to be cornered off last month because it was feared they would collapse By all means get your Irish passport, and 90% of the Irish will welcome you with open arms But times are changing, not to long about American tourists were put in hospital for walking around Dublin City and a 41 year old Canadian was murdered in June Again these are freak incidents where a few idiots give the rest of us a bad name But Ireland is changing for the worse and it's the governments fault, but they have there big house's so they don't care
With the needless deaths aside, it was the loss of census records and documents going back nearly 900 hundred that was destroyed during this time is also sad
@honestron that's technically not true, the republicans used the boxes of documents to barricade windows and then blew up the room containing the records.
Davy! My grandmother grew up on an estate in Kildare owned by a British Protestant family, the Middletons. As a child, my grandmothers father died of illness, and rather than sling the family out, the Middletons gave them a free cottage, the years firewood, and work for all who could labour. When my father, her third son, made it to London and married a British girl and had a family, the old girl was overjoyed, as she remembered the kindness of the Lord Dudley Middleton, who had treated her widowed mother with such kindness and respect. My grandmother, Molly, hated DeValera and had no time for the republican cause. My Grandfathers family however..... I always enjoy your content, and your obvious enthusiasm. Good man yerself.
@@aidanjoyce3248 What should a poorly educated widow with an army of children and no means of survival have done? And didn't want Ireland to be free? Where did you pull that from?? I'm guessing the crease of your trousers?
@@aidanjoyce3248 Again, tell me what she should have done? If you were in the same situation, what would you have done? It's easy to sit in your mothers spare room and throw insults about, but is that all you have?
@@darraghkelly1744well, whatever it is, I can't recall a more bitterly society in my lifetime, where the govt actively are causing discontent and then blaming people who take issue with it.
@@TheSWCantina The current government have wrecked this place, it’s barely liveable for a lot of people. Do you think there will be a rising or a civil war though and when do you think it’ll happen?
The occupying British empire left a legacy of chaos around the globe that persists to this day, Northern Ireland, Palestine, Iraq, India - Pakistan, Falklands, Gibraltar, S Africa
@kylebalmer3396 Gibraltar was stolen by Britland in 1713, but Spain has rightfully maintained its sovereignty claim ever since. And as for the Falkland islands which are situated 300 miles from the south of Argentina and 8,000 miles from britland you must have been asleep when britland under thatcher re-occupied the Falkland islands or Las Malvinas as they are called by they're rightful owners. Fortunately for everyone around the globe the English no longer have they're so called 'Empire' despised by Scotland, Wales and Ireland for centuries.
I want to say thank you as a new immigrant for the United States for your informing videos. I married a Irish woman from Cork that immigragted to The US in her twenties. We recently lived in the dessert state of Arizona, so its a complete 180 moving here. I feel like you have educated me on many facets of Ireland, its people , and the culture.
I'd two great uncles in the free state army and they hated Dev for what he did and I'll never forget how my granny hated him. Crazy times as they also had a brother who was an officer in the British army. I love learning more about this period in our history. Great video as usual.
@@silverkitty2503He’s talking about defending his country from foreign infiltration. These people fought and died for Ireland to be Irish & now it’s being given away.
de Valera was a typical politician he had many faces none of which you could trust, he set Collins up by sending him to London knowing that was the best deal that could be got from the British but he then refused to except it, he never fired a shot himself but hid behind his supporters and let them do the dying he will burn in hell for turning Irish men against Irish men.
The horrible civil war should never have happened. Dev walking out of the Dail that time started it all. Of all the people the Pro Treaty shot, he should have been the first. Now he is treated like a god. And all he did when he did condescend to join the Dail was turn Irelands clock back and let Rome take over. We have the catholic church in the south and in the north they have the lodges. There is simply no compromise in any of the doctrines. But the civil war should never have happened. Public opinion was not with them and they should have went with the state. The speech that Dev made at this time is one of the most irresponsible acts that any politician ever made, But sadly for Ireland it was not be be his last.
There's much more nuace to it than that. Dev didn't actually lead a walkout. It was a protest. He returned after the interval. He was working towards a compromise up to Four Courts being attacked. I agree that his wading through blood speech was reckless, but in reality, he was sidelined by the militants on the anti-Treaty side more often than not. He also can't be blamed for how Catholic the Free State was after independence. That process was entrenched under Cosgrave's administration.
@@brownsey1nope, dev was responsible. All those mandolins laundries, the boys homes. The healthcare. He did it all.. he let the poor be treated horribly by the Catholic Church. He destroyed ireland for over 5 decades.
The Wind That Shakes The Barley is my favourite movie of all time. They absolutely nailed it with that movie. We can only hope for another one like it.
@@davyholden that's how you spell it haha yes my father started shouting at me the other day I said about you and he said I forgot .. I said I've forgot nothing and good this man here saying what I always talk about too .. think he wants to forget you no
@@davyholden keep up your great videos I'm in London miss Ireland alot but I didn't recognise it last time I came. Very sad. Hopefully Bray still the same. Remember climbing up the sugar loaf mountain with my dad and family. The cross up the top. Will return one day. Now his ill of health. Worked his whole life hard working 💪 my rock
@@davyholdenWatched it with my wife whose family are from Gweedore Donegal, she found it a hard watch. To be fair anything we both watch that show how the Brits treated countries they occupied makes us rage.
I am British and my grandparents where Irish immigrants and suffered racism in the UK came here for work and now its all starting again and now in the UK
@@colinirvine3576 yes and there was only Irish in the GPO in 1916 and they weren't fighting for government pensions and expenses and "walking around money" and brown envelopes of big exit payments and bonuses.
God bless the Irish. Lots of Irish blood in me, I wish your immigration people would take those of Irish heritage instead of just anyone. Love from NZ 🇳🇿❤️🇮🇪
After the results of the recent election and with all these recent horrible disastrous events in Ireland in the past 30 years, ..... these great men and forefathers of Ireland are now turning in their graves !! Disgraceful !!
How different our history might have been, had De Valera accepted the will of the majority. Imagine the impact of a united country led by Griffith, Dev and Collins, with O'Malley, Childers, Cosgrave, Mulcahy and all the rest pulling together, using the freedom to achieve freedom. Instead, his selfishness and pride caused a civil war which blighted Irish politics for three generations, not to mention his mishandling of the economy and permitting the State's subservience to the Church...........and all because of a meaningless oath which he eventually took anyway? Go figure.
I'm still a practicing catholic but the worst mistake was letting the church dictate the running of the country, but at the time their was no alternative for health and education.
Hindsight is a great gift alright. It was a far more divided opinion back then passing by a margin of 7 votes. Not only that it, it wasn't DeValera one way or another. Rory O'Connor took over the four courts trying to rally his old comrades and it was Collins firing on his former friends with British artillery that sparked it. All the Dev blaming post a movie that is substantially fictional is bollox. The Church had a firm grip on this country under Cumman na nGeadheal for 13 years before DeValera even took office.
@@icemanire5467 I don't totally disagree, but the fact remains that Dev and his followers refused to accept the democratically expressed will of the Dáil. That gave O' Connor the support to do what he did, and put Collins and the pro Treaty Dáil in an impossible position. Did Dev try to dissuade O'Connor from his actions? I will have to re-read his biography to refresh my memory on that point, but I don't recall ever reading anything about Dev trying very hard to stop the "Irregulars", as they were called, once the internecine fighting started....happy to be enlightened on that too. And you're quite right....hindsight is always 20/20. But to be clear, I base my opinion of Dev and Collins, and Breen, and O'Mallie and Brugha and others on my readings of writings about and by them, long before any "bollixy" films were made. If you can find a copy, "Four Glorious Years" by David Hogan (a nom de plume for Frank Gallagher) details the period between 1917 and 1921.....well worth a read.
It’s much better, less power of church, stable democracy, jobs for everyone, no need to emigrate, free education, social welfare, good motorways, divorce, and contraception, gay rights could go on and on and on.
As a Sheehy from Tralee I feel a sense of pride at my families participation in the conflicts. But at the same time I mourn those unnecessary deaths post the Treaty. It did all however lead to a better place.
Today in September 2024, Ireland relies on the British Air Force and Royal Navy to protect our skies and our oceans. What neutrality and independence is this?
Excelente, i am not Irish, but I simply love Ireland, its history, its legacy, it’s tradition and it’s people. De Valera is a personal hero of mine, may so good content unite you all in these troubled times, strife is about to come to the people of Erin. Let us hope that wisdom and competence may rein again in Ireland. My Sincere hopes and prayers for your nation.
Devalera was meant to put his name on that treaty. But the coward sent collins knowing full well what the outcome would be. Collins wasn't even kmown to the british and was better off keeping it that way in case negotions did break down. That way collins would have still been able to fight while being unknown to them in terms of appearance. Dev also handed ireland over to the catholic church and met ireland be ruled by them. Killing babies and abusing boys for decades. He also shot down the idea of universal healthcare and imstead let the catholic church take over that task.
@@fahey900 you’re not going to get a sensible answer. These’uns carry on as though being anti-treaty made you evil. Honest men like Joe McKelvey were shot without trial. We in Ulster were abandoned to the pogroms. I believe Collins settled the Treaty cynically, intending to carry on the fight as before.
Emotionally tough to visit the spot in Dublin (Stonebreakers' Yard of Kilmainham Gaol) where, between May 3-12,1916, fourteen men were executed by firing squad for their involvement in the Dublin Rebellion. All Irish need to unite. Young Irish boys and girls need to be taught their history, and shown these places. Shame on the Irish garda collecting their pieces of silver today against the majority of Irish opposed to immigration.
@@johnnyredux4019 Most Irish people were against the rebellion in 1916. More Irish people fought against it then for it. Irish opinion change after the United Kingdom executed the rebels. After that came the Irish War of Independence but still more Irishmen fought on the side of the UK. And after that most Irish people were against the anti-treaty IRA and voted for the treaty. Hence the Irish Civil War. The irony is the Irish Free State executed more rebels after the Irish Civil War in 1922-1923 then the United Kingdom did during 1916 and 1919-1921.
I believe that De Valera was jealous of what Collins had achieved and his plan from the beginning was to reject any agreement that Collins brought back from London.He should never be forgiven for the Civil War that has marked Ireland right up to the present day
@@davekeating.If a 32 County Ireland was brought into existence in 1921 ,we would have had a civil war between the Loyalists and Republicans that would have been much more bloody than the one that occurred. I would go further and say if unification occurred today a significant portion of the Northern Unionists would take up arms and it would be the 1970's again only worse. Do the people of the prosperous Ireland of today want to be united with the likes of that bonfire burning ,drum beating ,Union Jack waving,Taig hating crowd on the Shankhill and the Sandy Row? My answer to that is an unequivocal ,"NO."
@@joekavanagh8997 Imagine, afraid of war because someone might get killed! Sounds like you would have opposed Irish Independence in 1921, possibly in Tan uniform. And in Easter 1916 you would have joined in with the pro Bits Dubs who jeered and spat at captured IRA Volunteers exiting the GPO. Remember, it was Michael Collins himself who said, “If you want to make an omelette you’ve got the break eggs.”
As a Northern Irish unionist and protestant...I have taken the time and found my grandfather who fought in WWI in the British Army 7/8 Royal Irish Fusiliers his details in the census records for 1901 and 11...show his nationality as Irish. My other grandfather...served British Army 1st Pionerr Corp WWII...army records show nationality as Irish. So tell me...2 generations ago the men in my family were Irish Protestant....I'm 50 now...seen the worst the IRA.can do to a people...how tell me will the Irish Republic reach out to unify with the Northern Irish? Considering many republicans will not and do not recognise my people. For example, do Sinn Fein ever say 'Northern Ireland' ? Never. Would I desire to be unified with those who don't recognise I and my kindred even exist? Those who revise history to suit their skewed narrative of 'Irish History'. For example...400 years.is NOT Irish history. Sickens me to look back at the murals of 'Brits out'. Which wasn't limited to GB soldiers. Yet...if my clan were Scots planters from late 1500's then there is a real possibility we were never planter stock exploiting a land grab...my clan are western Scots by origin...go back 1600 years to Irish Dál Riata, quite plausible we are original Irish. What about the Picts, Celts, Gauls, Saxons, Danes, Ionians...no scrub that it was always Irish Republicans cause SF own Irish history. Yeah... No seriously, how do you unify? Do u expect Northern Irish to cease to exist and become 'Irish' and assimilate? We have had 30 plus years of northern republicanism targeting and killing unionists...yes...I know...loyalists did likewise. Only Leo Varadakar has come close to convincing me that unification is possible...because it is NOT sinn fein Irish Republicanism. Any sensible replies welcome.
I don't know the answer, but I imagine it would start with a recognition that you love your part of the island of Ireland just as much as the other side do and gown from there. In other words, find what we have in common and celebrate that rather than be critical of what is different.. I live in Australia and have worked with Northern Unionists, and they were classed as Irish by the Australians .. We had many a great laugh about Irish mammy stories and the like. Plus the missing food and drink from home. It might be simple but it is a start
Sounds like excuses as to why Ireland shouldn't be whole...with just enough truth to make it difficult to just call it lying. So, you're a Scotsman living in Ireland...you could just recognize the fact, but no, you want to be really Irish, so you whine about not being recognized as Irish. You're not recognized as Irish, because you are only Irish by living on Irish soil, not from having Irish blood. Yeah, you probably have some...so do I, that doesn't make me Irish, either. Of course, you admitted that you may not have any Irish blood at all...but you wish you did, so you wrote your screed. Your ancestors stole land from the native Irish. What makes you think it's wrong in some way, that they want their land back? You clearly hate the real Irish, and for that...I despise you.
Well I'm a catholic from the republic and I remember the troubles well. I know that's one of many reasons I'll never vote sinn fein don't forget they wanted to over throw the government in the republic Too and create a socialist state.
Simple. You forget about the past and focus on what's happening RIGHT NOW! We'll be no more with europe's open borders, mass immigration and degenerate woke politics. Forget about Protestant and Catholic issues for a second. Being the tiny country Ireland is, and the small population we have, it won't take long before we are over ran by foreigners who don't share Christian values. It's our values that should unite us. Regardless of people's lack of faith or opinions on religion, that's where they came from. In context, are we really all that different... culturally or religiously? The answer is a big fat NO, we're not! It's an old war that is pretty much redundant nowadays, or at least it should be when you take into consideration the state our WHOLE country is in. We've more immediate modern problems that needs fighting. If you want to revisit that question in a few years, IF we still have a country left, by all means have at it.
civil war is the worst. Families torn apart. brothers killing brothers so so sad. We would do well to remember this most Europeans have forgotten or never experienced it.
when SIR OSWALD MOSLEY heard about the british goverment , using the dreaded ,,,, BLACK AND TAN , HE STOOD UP FOR , THE THE WORKING CLASS IRISH MAN , HAIL SIR OSWALD MOSLEY
From what i gather the free state was supported by Britain ?Ireland should unite against whats happening to them today. saying that its happening to all of Europe.
The first real step by Collins was 26 counties,then the south forgot about the 6 counties.By his hand and Arthur's they signed away there Northern brothers and sisters. Traitor's all.And so was that traitor De Velera.And now to present day Ireland where the South calls us in the 6 counties Brits.I ask you ,who is the traitor's now.The Northern counties fill Croke Park with their loyal fans and the South loves our money.The Republic can never be a Republic until it is a 32 county Republic. The Brits done there work good in Eire, they destroyed it's soul.The new landlords are Irish and they are worst than any English one.We are greedy now ,with no grace left.
Remember in the late 60s when Jack Lynch took time out from polishing his All Ireland medal to tell us, “We can no longer stand idly by”, he then went back to polishing his medals!
I'm a Brit and I love Eire with it's fine universities and it's people. I have never met an Irish man I did not like. You saw the Brits off in the troubles. HOW can you allow the infestation of your beautiful country???
Thanks for showing so much footage that I have never seen Before Davy and seeing Irish Men against Irish Men is still Heartbreaking even now .
Agree
Heartbreaking and many heartbroken as Irish man against Irish man fought, a necessary evil and Dev knew this when he refused to go to London and sent Collins there and then sent Collins to a death sentence.
Collins was set up for sure and Dev WAS responsible!
Collins was soldier, sent by de Valera (a politician) to do a politicians job. de Valera knew the deal would be bad and wanted Collins to get the blame.
@@treborsirrah7916 well said!! 💜💙☘️
@@portorportor8247 but he likely knew in advnce what Collins would do.
@@portorportor8247 Fine. Explain why Dev was in Cork when Collins was shot then.
So sad. Very heartbreaking. My grandfather spent a large chunk of the Irish Civil war sitting in the Griffith Barracks
Your grandfather's would be turning in his grave if he could see what our leaders done to our country.
The problem has been here since I've been in school
My generation never stood a chance in the country
Look at how many people in there 30s still live with there parents
Look at how many of our school friends left the country soon after school
The asylum seekers coming in might be part of our current problem, but the government made this problem a long time ago and the war in Ukraine has only highlighted it
@@Irishman089 I realize that Ireland has many problems. Some of these problems also exist here in the US. I am editing my answer here because I respect Davy and don't want to discuss politics here on his TH-cam channel.
@@Dan4CW no come and visit Ireland definitely. American's seem to love Ireland and it's definitely a lovely country in its own way.
I actually didn't realise you weren't Irish (living here)
I'm saying for people growing up in Ireland we have been let down by our government for as long as I remember.
There are no jobs and we are in a huge housing crisis.
House are on the market for say 300k but are sold at a much higher price because there is so little property for sale
If you want to rent a 2 bed room apartment outside Dublin it was about 600 per month 10 years ago, now it could be 3 times that
Our wages haven't gone up and we get very little benifits off the government
Our hospitals are over crowded, so bad that you might not even get a bed
You could be left waiting in A&E for over 24 hours before you get seen to
A 16 year old girl died in A&E in Limerick in 2022 because staff were to busy to come to here attention, even though her parents were begging for help
Untop of all this Ireland has always been a left wing country, but it's all changing over the past year or 2
The government are taking in 100s of thousands asylum seekers from anywhere, no background checks, no passports and they are giving them places to live while there are 14k Irish people homeless
It's so sad to say but we are being over ran in our on country, completely forgot about, and as I said we are a very left wing country historical
Over the past few months certain communities are standing up to the government and fighting back, resulting in mini riots
Buildings are being burnt down
I live in Ireland's biggest town and it is a mess. Locals are scared to walk into town
The town itself is actually falling down.
2 buildings in the town had to be cornered off last month because it was feared they would collapse
By all means get your Irish passport, and 90% of the Irish will welcome you with open arms
But times are changing, not to long about American tourists were put in hospital for walking around Dublin City and a 41 year old Canadian was murdered in June
Again these are freak incidents where a few idiots give the rest of us a bad name
But Ireland is changing for the worse and it's the governments fault, but they have there big house's so they don't care
Great to see a bit of history. I am french but my father is irish. Proud
Great mix!
Is half african and half irish good too? @@Xerrand
It's nice to see that in France you can be whatever you want...
Mr Collins killed his own with the help of the British
@@johnny3_yes why not. We all bleed red blood. ❤
Brilliant history again davey Brilliant chanel been following awhile 🇮🇪
I'm brazilian. I lived in Ireland from 2014 to 2017. Irish history during 20 century is very interesting. Very missing Dublin. Cheers!
Thank you for this priceless piece of history. My country suffered a civil war too in 1936. Brother fighting brother.. .😢😢😢😢😢
Many Irish socialists and antifascists fought in your civil war. The early 20thC was a tough time for those who fought that we all could be free
@@jimbo1706 🙏🙏🙏
@@anaescano8423 🙏🙏🙏" viva la quinta brigada"
@@jimbo1706 God bless the Holly lands of Ireland and the Basque Country 💪💪💪
It actually came uo translated for me.@@jimbo1706
With the needless deaths aside, it was the loss of census records and documents going back nearly 900 hundred that was destroyed during this time is also sad
Collins with his British supplied arms .......
I suspect my ancestors records were destroyed
A purposeful destruction of records.
An unforgiveable act
@honestron that's technically not true, the republicans used the boxes of documents to barricade windows and then blew up the room containing the records.
Brilliant footage Davy really enjoyed it mate
Surreal to hear them use the term “the troubles” to describe this time..
Davy!
My grandmother grew up on an estate in Kildare owned by a British Protestant family, the Middletons. As a child, my grandmothers father died of illness, and rather than sling the family out, the Middletons gave them a free cottage, the years firewood, and work for all who could labour. When my father, her third son, made it to London and married a British girl and had a family, the old girl was overjoyed, as she remembered the kindness of the Lord Dudley Middleton, who had treated her widowed mother with such kindness and respect.
My grandmother, Molly, hated DeValera and had no time for the republican cause. My Grandfathers family however.....
I always enjoy your content, and your obvious enthusiasm. Good man yerself.
So your ancestor were happy with scraps that should have been theirs anyway,and didn't want Ireland to be free. Mmmm....
@@aidanjoyce3248 What should a poorly educated widow with an army of children and no means of survival have done? And didn't want Ireland to be free? Where did you pull that from?? I'm guessing the crease of your trousers?
@@aidanjoyce3248 Put your pointless hatred aside and read between the lines for once in your life. Fool
@@danielmoran9902 spoken like a complete West Brit. Well done.
@@aidanjoyce3248 Again, tell me what she should have done? If you were in the same situation, what would you have done? It's easy to sit in your mothers spare room and throw insults about, but is that all you have?
I love learning about Irish history, it's so fascinating.
And this was terrible and sad as all civil war is, brutal, appalling
Brilliant Davy, and a wonderful lesson and reminder of the struggles for independence.
Many countries have gone through civil war, a sad and complex thing.
Nicely remastered. Very good work!
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
And it's going to repeat itself 2024
What mistake are we repeating now?
@@barryb90 but what does that have to do with the Irish civil war?
@@darraghkelly1744well, whatever it is, I can't recall a more bitterly society in my lifetime, where the govt actively are causing discontent and then blaming people who take issue with it.
@@TheSWCantina The current government have wrecked this place, it’s barely liveable for a lot of people. Do you think there will be a rising or a civil war though and when do you think it’ll happen?
We need these men even more 100 years later!!
Yes the rich are pilfering us.
Civil war leaders wading deep in Irish blood.....really?
The British left Ireland divided and by that action, we still have Ireland split by religion, politics and heartbreaking division.
The occupying British empire left a legacy of chaos around the globe that persists to this day, Northern Ireland, Palestine, Iraq, India - Pakistan, Falklands, Gibraltar, S Africa
@kylebalmer3396 Gibraltar was stolen by Britland in 1713, but Spain has rightfully maintained its sovereignty claim ever since.
And as for the Falkland islands which are situated 300 miles from the south of Argentina and 8,000 miles from britland you must have been asleep when britland under thatcher re-occupied the Falkland islands or Las Malvinas as they are called by they're rightful owners.
Fortunately for everyone around the globe the English no longer have they're so called 'Empire' despised by Scotland, Wales and Ireland for centuries.
@@leinster22Wrong !! The Ottoman’s , left a world in ruin ,FFS .
That’s the main goal of colonialism. Split the nation and keep them divided by introducing foreign language and culture.
@kylebalmer3396none - these are uneducated xenophobes
I want to say thank you as a new immigrant for the United States for your informing videos. I married a Irish woman from Cork that immigragted to The US in her twenties. We recently lived in the dessert state of Arizona, so its a complete 180 moving here. I feel like you have educated me on many facets of Ireland, its people , and the culture.
Top work as usual thank you
Thank You Davy for another piece of history that needed to be seen again. Never forget ☘☘☘☘
This was never taught in schools when I was a boy in the 60s. For us Irish history ended in 1916.
This was brilliant
Love watching your videos omg you bring history alive 🎉🎉🎉🎉 keep up the good work love it 💚
and destroyed most of the Census records in the four courts 😤
Custom house
I'd two great uncles in the free state army and they hated Dev for what he did and I'll never forget how my granny hated him. Crazy times as they also had a brother who was an officer in the British army. I love learning more about this period in our history. Great video as usual.
Heart wrenching but unreal to know this footage exists. A terrible beauty is pretty poignant way to put it ❤️🩹🇮🇪 Thanks a million Davy 👏🏼
New to your channel. Thank you for providing this research and resource.
If only we have politicians as brave as we did back then now this country wouldn't be in the mess we are in
Today's Irish politicians are now EU globalist wipe boys
Very interesting and hits home when you realise the impact of the civil war between differing groups seeking a united Ireland.
Videos like this need to be seen by the Irish people, now more than ever. 🇮🇪✊
Please stop warmongering.
@@silverkitty2503He’s talking about defending his country from foreign infiltration. These people fought and died for Ireland to be Irish & now it’s being given away.
@@THISISLoleshah stop
@@justthetruth1 could say the same to you.
@@THISISLolesh Yes Russian British and American infiltration must stop.
de Valera was a typical politician he had many faces none of which you could trust, he set Collins up by sending him to London knowing that was the best deal that could be got from the British but he then refused to except it, he never fired a shot himself but hid behind his supporters and let them do the dying he will burn in hell for turning Irish men against Irish men.
And he was half Spanish
The horrible civil war should never have happened. Dev walking out of the Dail that time started it all. Of all the people the Pro Treaty shot, he should have been the first. Now he is treated like a god. And all he did when he did condescend to join the Dail was turn Irelands clock back and let Rome take over. We have the catholic church in the south and in the north they have the lodges. There is simply no compromise in any of the doctrines. But the civil war should never have happened. Public opinion was not with them and they should have went with the state. The speech that Dev made at this time is one of the most irresponsible acts that any politician ever made, But sadly for Ireland it was not be be his last.
There's much more nuace to it than that. Dev didn't actually lead a walkout. It was a protest. He returned after the interval. He was working towards a compromise up to Four Courts being attacked. I agree that his wading through blood speech was reckless, but in reality, he was sidelined by the militants on the anti-Treaty side more often than not. He also can't be blamed for how Catholic the Free State was after independence. That process was entrenched under Cosgrave's administration.
@@brownsey1nope, dev was responsible. All those mandolins laundries, the boys homes. The healthcare. He did it all.. he let the poor be treated horribly by the Catholic Church. He destroyed ireland for over 5 decades.
And across the water, history is repeating itself with Starmer's utterly irresponsible babbling.
@@apathyintheuk265Take a seat you absolute Farage “fluffer” .
Very Well said and those are My feelings Completely as well .
I remember the film the wind that shook the barley
The Wind That Shakes The Barley is my favourite movie of all time. They absolutely nailed it with that movie. We can only hope for another one like it.
@@davyholden that's how you spell it haha yes my father started shouting at me the other day I said about you and he said I forgot .. I said I've forgot nothing and good this man here saying what I always talk about too .. think he wants to forget you no
@@davyholden keep up your great videos I'm in London miss Ireland alot but I didn't recognise it last time I came. Very sad. Hopefully Bray still the same. Remember climbing up the sugar loaf mountain with my dad and family. The cross up the top. Will return one day. Now his ill of health. Worked his whole life hard working 💪 my rock
@@davyholdenWatched it with my wife whose family are from Gweedore Donegal, she found it a hard watch. To be fair anything we both watch that show how the Brits treated countries they occupied makes us rage.
Dev was a savage egomaniac & has entrenched his narrow political views on us all. His legacy is still wreaking havoc on Irish society today.
Devalera certainly did well from what Collins achieved and was happy to leave things as they were just as soon as Collins was gone.
That is a gem Davey , cannot bear to look at Dev .
Hilarious
I am British and my grandparents where Irish immigrants and suffered racism in the UK came here for work and now its all starting again and now in the UK
Collins was a good man, my grandparents taught me Irish history. Davy is a family name for us, the first born boy is named Davy.
He was a traitor. He killed more Irish men than the tans
Respect from County Wexford 🙌 👏
I must say looking at the crowd shots there was a fierce lack of diversity back when Ireland became an independent nation
What are you talking about. There are men AND women in the crowd
@@colinirvine3576 yes and there was only Irish in the GPO in 1916 and they weren't fighting for government pensions and expenses and "walking around money" and brown envelopes of big exit payments and bonuses.
@@jimbo1706😂😂😂
Ireland 1921>Ireland 2024.
@@rudithedog7534Connolly was Scottish
01:02 The man with the pipe had experienced this threat before.
very interesting i didn't know that
GIVE IRELAND BACK TO THE IRISH AMEN GLORY!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Nowadays you have to as ‘what was it all for?’ I think these men would be stunned for all sorts of reasons to see the country today.
Thanks
God bless the Irish. Lots of Irish blood in me, I wish your immigration people would take those of Irish heritage instead of just anyone. Love from NZ 🇳🇿❤️🇮🇪
After the results of the recent election and with all these recent horrible disastrous events in Ireland in the past 30 years, ..... these great men and forefathers of Ireland are now turning in their graves !! Disgraceful !!
How different our history might have been, had De Valera accepted the will of the majority. Imagine the impact of a united country led by Griffith, Dev and Collins, with O'Malley, Childers, Cosgrave, Mulcahy and all the rest pulling together, using the freedom to achieve freedom. Instead, his selfishness and pride caused a civil war which blighted Irish politics for three generations, not to mention his mishandling of the economy and permitting the State's subservience to the Church...........and all because of a meaningless oath which he eventually took anyway? Go figure.
+1 and a bit more.
The divide is still very obvious in our society, unfortunately. We could have achieved so much
I'm still a practicing catholic but the worst mistake was letting the church dictate the running of the country, but at the time their was no alternative for health and education.
Hindsight is a great gift alright. It was a far more divided opinion back then passing by a margin of 7 votes. Not only that it, it wasn't DeValera one way or another. Rory O'Connor took over the four courts trying to rally his old comrades and it was Collins firing on his former friends with British artillery that sparked it.
All the Dev blaming post a movie that is substantially fictional is bollox.
The Church had a firm grip on this country under Cumman na nGeadheal for 13 years before DeValera even took office.
@@icemanire5467 I don't totally disagree, but the fact remains that Dev and his followers refused to accept the democratically expressed will of the Dáil. That gave O' Connor the support to do what he did, and put Collins and the pro Treaty Dáil in an impossible position. Did Dev try to dissuade O'Connor from his actions? I will have to re-read his biography to refresh my memory on that point, but I don't recall ever reading anything about Dev trying very hard to stop the "Irregulars", as they were called, once the internecine fighting started....happy to be enlightened on that too. And you're quite right....hindsight is always 20/20. But to be clear, I base my opinion of Dev and Collins, and Breen, and O'Mallie and Brugha and others on my readings of writings about and by them, long before any "bollixy" films were made. If you can find a copy, "Four Glorious Years" by David Hogan (a nom de plume for Frank Gallagher) details the period between 1917 and 1921.....well worth a read.
Dev, The Devil incarnate, the spineless traitor. God rest Michael Collins.
Collins sold out his fellow men with that "treaty "
And don't forget that.
He got British guns to kill his former comrades. The traitor
So sad what could’ve been now look at the place.
It’s much better, less power of church, stable democracy, jobs for everyone, no need to emigrate, free education, social welfare, good motorways, divorce, and contraception, gay rights could go on and on and on.
@@murpho999 that’s obviously coming from a mad lefty.
Give us back our old roads.
Why did De Valera send Collins to London for treaty negotiations instead of going himself ?
Why did Collins shoot his own men with English guns?
Both were English agents
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@@darrenanthonykkelaborate more?Do you really think they were and were would I get more info on this?
We need to be brave now like those patriots! Our treacherous Politicians are selling out their great sacrifices!
Great footage. My ma was born just 3 months before the civil war ended.
The Croats had a War and many died, but there was Independence to be won.
Today, no one is apologetic for the war which granted freedom from tyranny.
@2:26. 'The saddest phase of the troubles had begun' except for the millions who died under the blight famine and the land evictions....
We will never forget the brave men who fought for our freedom and sacrificed lives for this country God bless them all ❤🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪☘☘☘☘
The bloke with the trilby and trenchcoat is my mate's grandda!
Ireland : never a story with a good ending
@raygon8 - Why? Rapacious brits.
"First ŕeaĺ step" It's like when you buy your first home and say its a starter get you on the ladder. 30 year later your still there
As a Sheehy from Tralee I feel a sense of pride at my families participation in the conflicts. But at the same time I mourn those unnecessary deaths post the Treaty. It did all however lead to a better place.
this will be the whole of britain and ireland in the near future this time fighting together against the occupation
I love how the videos picture has masonic hand symbols
Today in September 2024, Ireland relies on the British Air Force and Royal Navy to protect our skies and our oceans. What neutrality and independence is this?
I’m a Scotsman but my Irish brothers and sisters have my heart forever
Not the old "rare footage" statement that can be found anywhere on the internet 😂
Excelente, i am not Irish, but I simply love Ireland, its history, its legacy, it’s tradition and it’s people. De Valera is a personal hero of mine, may so good content unite you all in these troubled times, strife is about to come to the people of Erin. Let us hope that wisdom and competence may rein again in Ireland. My Sincere hopes and prayers for your nation.
My children’s grandmother met De Valera. I’m not sure why or where, but I remember she told me that she had.
Devalera was meant to put his name on that treaty. But the coward sent collins knowing full well what the outcome would be. Collins wasn't even kmown to the british and was better off keeping it that way in case negotions did break down. That way collins would have still been able to fight while being unknown to them in terms of appearance. Dev also handed ireland over to the catholic church and met ireland be ruled by them. Killing babies and abusing boys for decades. He also shot down the idea of universal healthcare and imstead let the catholic church take over that task.
Anymore about devalera?So basically he's a rat ? Why did he do all this though?
@@fahey900 you’re not going to get a sensible answer. These’uns carry on as though being anti-treaty made you evil. Honest men like Joe McKelvey were shot without trial. We in Ulster were abandoned to the pogroms. I believe Collins settled the Treaty cynically, intending to carry on the fight as before.
Anyone have names or information on the men on the cover photo
5:25 “The Troubles were over”
Some foreshadowing there.
Yeah I thought the same , they never ended really
(Thank you very much for the information republic of Ireland or Irish republic,)
Sad loss of Irish lives...
Emotionally tough to visit the spot in Dublin (Stonebreakers' Yard of Kilmainham Gaol) where, between May 3-12,1916, fourteen men were executed by firing squad for their involvement in the Dublin Rebellion. All Irish need to unite. Young Irish boys and girls need to be taught their history, and shown these places. Shame on the Irish garda collecting their pieces of silver today against the majority of Irish opposed to immigration.
@@johnnyredux4019 Most Irish people were against the rebellion in 1916. More Irish people fought against it then for it. Irish opinion change after the United Kingdom executed the rebels. After that came the Irish War of Independence but still more Irishmen fought on the side of the UK. And after that most Irish people were against the anti-treaty IRA and voted for the treaty. Hence the Irish Civil War. The irony is the Irish Free State executed more rebels after the Irish Civil War in 1922-1923 then the United Kingdom did during 1916 and 1919-1921.
Ireland looks very different today.
The entire world does!
Yes all in colour now.
Protestants were prosecuted. Let’s not forget that. Despite orange being in its flag.
I believe that De Valera was jealous of what Collins had achieved and his plan from the beginning was to reject any agreement that Collins brought back from London.He should never be forgiven for the Civil War that has marked Ireland right up to the present day
What scarred Ireland for the last 100 years was not our Civil War but Partition itself. DeValera was 100% correct on that point.
@@davekeating.If a 32 County Ireland was brought into existence in 1921 ,we would have had a civil war between the Loyalists and Republicans that would have been much more bloody than the one that occurred.
I would go further and say if unification occurred today a significant portion of the Northern Unionists would take up arms and it would be the 1970's again only worse.
Do the people of the prosperous Ireland of today want to be united with the likes of that bonfire burning ,drum beating ,Union Jack waving,Taig hating crowd on the Shankhill and the Sandy Row?
My answer to that is an unequivocal ,"NO."
@@joekavanagh8997 Imagine, afraid of war because someone might get killed! Sounds like you would have opposed Irish Independence in 1921, possibly in Tan uniform. And in Easter 1916 you would have joined in with the pro Bits Dubs who jeered and spat at captured IRA Volunteers exiting the GPO. Remember, it was Michael Collins himself who said, “If you want to make an omelette you’ve got the break eggs.”
As a Northern Irish unionist and protestant...I have taken the time and found my grandfather who fought in WWI in the British Army 7/8 Royal Irish Fusiliers his details in the census records for 1901 and 11...show his nationality as Irish. My other grandfather...served British Army 1st Pionerr Corp WWII...army records show nationality as Irish.
So tell me...2 generations ago the men in my family were Irish Protestant....I'm 50 now...seen the worst the IRA.can do to a people...how tell me will the Irish Republic reach out to unify with the Northern Irish? Considering many republicans will not and do not recognise my people. For example, do Sinn Fein ever say 'Northern Ireland' ? Never. Would I desire to be unified with those who don't recognise I and my kindred even exist? Those who revise history to suit their skewed narrative of 'Irish History'. For example...400 years.is NOT Irish history. Sickens me to look back at the murals of 'Brits out'. Which wasn't limited to GB soldiers. Yet...if my clan were Scots planters from late 1500's then there is a real possibility we were never planter stock exploiting a land grab...my clan are western Scots by origin...go back 1600 years to Irish Dál Riata, quite plausible we are original Irish. What about the Picts, Celts, Gauls, Saxons, Danes, Ionians...no scrub that it was always Irish Republicans cause SF own Irish history.
Yeah...
No seriously, how do you unify? Do u expect Northern Irish to cease to exist and become 'Irish' and assimilate? We have had 30 plus years of northern republicanism targeting and killing unionists...yes...I know...loyalists did likewise. Only Leo Varadakar has come close to convincing me that unification is possible...because it is NOT sinn fein Irish Republicanism. Any sensible replies welcome.
I don't know the answer, but I imagine it would start with a recognition that you love your part of the island of Ireland just as much as the other side do and gown from there. In other words, find what we have in common and celebrate that rather than be critical of what is different.. I live in Australia and have worked with Northern Unionists, and they were classed as Irish by the Australians .. We had many a great laugh about Irish mammy stories and the like. Plus the missing food and drink from home. It might be simple but it is a start
Sounds like excuses as to why Ireland shouldn't be whole...with just enough truth to make it difficult to just call it lying. So, you're a Scotsman living in Ireland...you could just recognize the fact, but no, you want to be really Irish, so you whine about not being recognized as Irish. You're not recognized as Irish, because you are only Irish by living on Irish soil, not from having Irish blood. Yeah, you probably have some...so do I, that doesn't make me Irish, either. Of course, you admitted that you may not have any Irish blood at all...but you wish you did, so you wrote your screed.
Your ancestors stole land from the native Irish. What makes you think it's wrong in some way, that they want their land back? You clearly hate the real Irish, and for that...I despise you.
Ah...there is actually more to unite us...if we stop to consider...cheers for your reply. I've an older brother in Bisbane...15 years now.
Well I'm a catholic from the republic and I remember the troubles well. I know that's one of many reasons I'll never vote sinn fein don't forget they wanted to over throw the government in the republic Too and create a socialist state.
Simple. You forget about the past and focus on what's happening RIGHT NOW! We'll be no more with europe's open borders, mass immigration and degenerate woke politics. Forget about Protestant and Catholic issues for a second. Being the tiny country Ireland is, and the small population we have, it won't take long before we are over ran by foreigners who don't share Christian values. It's our values that should unite us. Regardless of people's lack of faith or opinions on religion, that's where they came from. In context, are we really all that different... culturally or religiously? The answer is a big fat NO, we're not! It's an old war that is pretty much redundant nowadays, or at least it should be when you take into consideration the state our WHOLE country is in. We've more immediate modern problems that needs fighting. If you want to revisit that question in a few years, IF we still have a country left, by all means have at it.
Don't forget a lot of these irish rebels we're protestants .
People seem to forget the founding fathers of Irish Republicanism were Protestants 🇮🇪
They were old irish protestants aren't the protestants of today planters from Scotland
@@PatrickAhern-qb6xb I have family in the North and south all protestants and are republicans and want a united Ireland 🇮🇪
Could this happen here now?
Absolutely.
God Bless Ireland
The British did not really leave the Republic
civil war is the worst. Families torn apart. brothers killing brothers so so sad. We would do well to remember this most Europeans have forgotten or never experienced it.
Cool video , Look at the place now .. our forefathers turn in there graves at the state of Ireland now .
De Valera mainly responsible Hundreds killed Same DEV sympathised to German Ambassador on death of Hitler
Real men
Where is this caliber of men today?
The freestators employed a British army unit to shell the four courts as they did not know how to use the artillery guns. LOL. Says it all really.
when SIR OSWALD MOSLEY heard about the british goverment , using the dreaded ,,,, BLACK AND TAN , HE STOOD UP FOR , THE THE WORKING CLASS IRISH MAN , HAIL SIR OSWALD MOSLEY
This Great Country
Sold down the river 🇮🇪
GRACE 💚
From what i gather the free state was supported by Britain ?Ireland should unite against whats happening to them today. saying that its happening to all of Europe.
De Valera! Forever the politician. Knowingly setting up Collins for a fall
Look at Ireland now ....
Aboriginal Australian Shamrock and proud
Dont mess with the Free State army.
They executed more rebels then the United Kingdom did.
The first real step by Collins was 26 counties,then the south forgot about the 6 counties.By his hand and Arthur's they signed away there Northern brothers and sisters. Traitor's all.And so was that traitor De Velera.And now to present day Ireland where the South calls us in the 6 counties Brits.I ask you ,who is the traitor's now.The Northern counties fill Croke Park with their loyal fans and the South loves our money.The Republic can never be a Republic until it is a 32 county Republic. The Brits done there work good in Eire, they destroyed it's soul.The new landlords are Irish and they are worst than any English one.We are greedy now ,with no grace left.
I’m much of your opinion. The south couldn’t do enough to help the Brits in Ulster after the Treaty.
Remember in the late 60s when Jack Lynch took time out from polishing his All Ireland medal to tell us, “We can no longer stand idly by”, he then went back to polishing his medals!
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Dia dhuit
@@davyholden Dia smura Dhuit sorry about the bad irish spelling my teachers never touth me how to rea irish
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Its amazing that some Free State soldiers didn't even have uniforms
I'm a Brit and I love Eire with it's fine universities and it's people. I have never met an Irish man I did not like. You saw the Brits off in the troubles. HOW can you allow the infestation of your beautiful country???
What are younshit8g on about? No infestation here in Ireland. Also note it’s Ireland, not Éire as you’re speaking in English.
They actually had a civi war,can you believe it
Collins armed by the British and as ruthless as the Tans…..