I know for a fact the the original Bugs and 411s (with snow tires) were unstoppable in deep snow, my family drove them through several years worth of blizzards successfully.
Those tires look badass but the question is if you get rid of those all terrain tires and throw on some dedicated winter tires if it will perform a lot better. As you know even if an all-terrain tire has a snowflake on it, it's still as isn't as good as a true winter tire
Totally agree, and they don't know how to drive a FWD in the snow. Momentum and finesse are your friend. They are too used to relying on their 4wd to pull them up everything
Those BFG AT's are actually very good on snow but they aren't really a rock and mud tire. I agree that BFG MT's along with all of the other typically big tread block, chunky rock and mud off-road tires do completely suck on snow. One of the critical things required to make a tire work well on snow is having lots of deep sipes like those AT's do. True off-road tires never have sipes because it makes them too easy to tear chunks out of the tread on rocks.
youd be surprisd what a lifted fwd can do off road.. not in the snow though. there are definitely limits. my civic skips through this stuff but not on a mountain uphill in the snow lol
Snow tires would have been better for this scenario but this is a great example of why AWD is so great in snow. No, it doesn't help you stop obviously but AWD most of the time keeps you from getting stuck.
Hey Tommy, When using a winch make sure you put it on free spool when pulling the rope or cable. Using the motor to release the cable you can ran with issues like binding the cable or rope, you will overheat the motor and when you need the power to winch you already are with warm or hot motor. Winch motor need to have certain sequence of use and time to rest before use again. So basically what you did when winching was totally and complete wrong in every way, from safety and equipment use.
just because the tires are "snow rated" doesn't actually mean they're good in the snow. I've been plowing through worse snow in my old golf with studded continental ice contact 2. bought my new TJ with 32" ko2's, couldn't drive anywhere without spinning, bought studded nokian road tires instead and now It's not even close to spinning, tho it looks like it skipped legday..
Here's an idea: The VW New Beetle is based on the Golf chassis, right? I wonder if you could take the rear end and transmission out of an R32 and put it under the Bug to give it AWD...?
It sure isn’t the old bug with rear engine. I had a few of those back when. Giant snow tires in the back, stock little ones up front. That little thing went anywhere!
You guys do realize that All Terrains are NOT Winter tires right?? Surely you do....I mean it is a car channel. I just watched this whole video....ah I remember when I was young and stupid. If you are wondering what that looks like....look at this video, prime examples of two idiots on a mountain. Way way too dangerous to be up there in that thing in that weather.
All terrains aren't winter tires? Are you serious? And all this time I didn't know any better. Have we lost the meaning of what actually all terrain means in the English language?!
@@albowrx Yep, dead serious. All Terrain's are not Winter tires for the same reason All Seaason's are not. I'd have rather been up there with true winters than what he had. Seriously, do you live in snow country? I mean real snow country like where these kids are actually from. He should know better...or like someone else stated, at least have chains and even then with all that ice under the snow. They are lucky they made it off that mountain. All it takes is one bit of lost traction or a drop in the road shoulder hidden under the snow and off they would go. Here's a bit of an education on Snow vs All Terrain's since you obviously need it: www.tirebuyer.com/education/all-terrain-vs-winter-tires do a brush up on All Season's as well while you are there. Just in case, we want you making it home safe.
Why didnt the traction control brake the spinning wheel and transfer torque to the other wheel? My 1998 passat did that, made it very good in even deep snow. Heated up the brakes alot though. I would think a newer VW would have the same brake based differential lock.
Winter tires are better on ice and snow then all-terrain tires I have winter tires on my front wheel drive tiguan it is nice better then my explorer 4x4 with all-terrain in the snow
That's a bit dangerous. You really should be using dedicated winter tires up there, not all terrain tires. Those BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 do not get good ratings in snow and ice. The rubber compound gets too hard at low temps.
I’m not even finished watching and Tommy is making me shake my head. The clevis didn’t need to go through. Just put the threaded side on top of it and put the pin through the bottom.
Hey guys Curt here im one of your big fans located in New England I recently got some studded snow tires on my front wheel drive 2015 passat ive been offroading in it with my snow tires never got stuck. Maybe could we see the difference with studded KO2's or some type of studded tire. Thanks guys keep up with the good work!
off road tires are not snow tires folks. also, lifted fwd vehicles DO have limits. im all for lifting fwd cars but u need some snow tires. "baja" doesnt mean snow, it means sand/dirt. when u add water/ice to the mix on offroad tires.. good luck
This is just hilarious. A front two wheel drive car with studded snow tires. He tries to drive in a foot of snow and is surprised at the results. Once he gets off road he goes no where.
Got my Christmas tree the park was completely packed icey snow. I was even pulling a light trailer for the tree and never even got close to getting stuck with my all season Defender tires on. Oh yeah I was in a Forester. I'm blown away with these tires.
New title. "Why are one wheel drive car with crap tires sucks in the snow." If you had some Hakka 9 studded on there it probably would have out performed the Land rover.
Love all the comments. This it really heavy wet snow. Even that landrover would not have made it up that first trail. If it was a dry light snow that big would have tunneled through the snow.
Hi. A tip for you is that you may need to use less air in the front wheels, as it is a front wheel drive car and less air in the driving wheels means that the wheels have better contact surface with the ground also that the wheels become more compliant with the ground. Maybe you can have half as much air in the wheels as you usually have. ❗
I offer my fresh General Grabbers, 205-75-15 of steelies for another test. I trust the tires are the issue. My car has been unstoppable the past 2 years in colorado snow..
Buy snow chains for the front wheels which will prevent you losing traction & you need a winch, one that you can use to go forwards & backwards under the car without doing any damage to the car so you can pull yourself out using a tree as an anchor.
A 1 wheel drive bug in the snow..........smart move. All those Baja upgraded looks don't do anything for performance. Maybe if it had a Torsen or some kind of locker axle but since its VW just LOL
Selling the better discovery is sad. It will be missed. Second, you need to lock your front diff. The only way might be to weld them. Chains might have helped on the ice. Good way to show why you shouldn't mess around in snow. Thank you for the safe video.
You'd be amazed what a LSD will do compared to an open diff. With snow tires I can go just about anywhere (where I'm not plowing too much snow) with my old Corrado 1.8T with a Peloquin LSD. Bigger snow requires the Outback XT and worst case, the Touareg.
@@alanhassall Studded tires work fine off paved roads, at least here where I live, in Finland. They work especially well compared to winter tires without studs. The best winter tires without studs also approach some studded tires too.
First: Never ever leave home without testing your recovery gear (winch, etc.) Second: Its not fun if you say "I just want to get off this mountain" more than once Third: Use a spotter that can actually see all off the back of your vehicle when backup up, a buddy sitting in another vehicle can't see that you're about to back up over the edge of a cliff Fourth: Always keep ALL the windows clear and defrosted including the rear window. You never know when you will fid yourself going backwards unexpectedly (just trust me on that one, you don't want to know the story, suffice it to day that a new pair of underwear will be required).
Yeah...call it "Baja" and it becomes an off-road monster. The extra driving lights and spare on the rear hatch is an added off-road bonus. What's next? Your "Baja" Ford GT? That would be equally good off-road...
Tommy, you and Alex are really something, that could not have been me up there. I'm honestly amazed since I did not see the VW or Land Rover sliding, so the right tires helped. That drop off tho, no thanks I'm good.
Well, the reason you got stuck so fast is: there is no such thing as an offroad Beetle. When it's ONE wheel drive, it should stay on even, flat, non slippery surfaces. :)
Very interesting video yet we knew the results about I'll say 3:00 minutes in. However, I've watched throughout and enjoyed it.
I'd bet a stock bug with snow tires would have done better.
@MotorcycleMan - Definitely. The new one might do decent in reverse (maybe not with an open diff though), I'm a bit surprised he didn't try.
I know for a fact the the original Bugs and 411s (with snow tires) were unstoppable in deep snow, my family drove them through several years worth of blizzards successfully.
My dad's old super beetle would go through snow piles up to the windows.
yea wrong tires.
i had snow rated ko2 on my f150, gabage in snow. observe gs16 on my new beetle and it destroys deep snow with no lift
Those tires look badass but the question is if you get rid of those all terrain tires and throw on some dedicated winter tires if it will perform a lot better. As you know even if an all-terrain tire has a snowflake on it, it's still as isn't as good as a true winter tire
To drive in snow, install and use snow tires. The rock and mud tires won't work in snow, as this video proves.
Totally agree, and they don't know how to drive a FWD in the snow. Momentum and finesse are your friend. They are too used to relying on their 4wd to pull them up everything
even a decent set of all season car tires would have been better than those bfgs on snow
WRONG some work as good as snow tires
Those BFG AT's are actually very good on snow but they aren't really a rock and mud tire. I agree that BFG MT's along with all of the other typically big tread block, chunky rock and mud off-road tires do completely suck on snow.
One of the critical things required to make a tire work well on snow is having lots of deep sipes like those AT's do. True off-road tires never have sipes because it makes them too easy to tear chunks out of the tread on rocks.
chains.
At 2:37 just put the D ring bolt up through the tow ring on the bug. Done
Kind of frustrating to watch
Their winch fairlead can only take the shackle bolt.
NORTHERN Toyota that doesn’t work due to the stupid and expensive winch hook they are using.
Except they've got a whole whack of shackles in the recovery bag. Just double them up. One in the tow hook and the other in the winch line.
Simple solution...use a soft shackle. Strong, safe, and only need one to go through both the recovery point and the factor 55 closed link.
It's a FWD open diff. Why would you make that off-road capable is beyond me.
youd be surprisd what a lifted fwd can do off road.. not in the snow though. there are definitely limits. my civic skips through this stuff but not on a mountain uphill in the snow lol
1-wheel drive
Ya micra 2011 are better may was able to drive hers threw snow no bother we just kept traction control on and floor it in first
My vw e golf could do better.
Surprised this was purchased in the first place
Because we watch it as entertainment. 15k views already.
I think snow tires would have helped a lot. Especially studded snow tires.
an old school beetle would have done that trail
and better driver
Hahaha
You're not wrong. An old school Baja Bug would have done much better!
Proper winter tires is your friend.. Not unusual to drive through those amounts of snow in Norway..
Baja Bob is turning into BAHAHAHA Bob. I love this car.
Would love to see the Tough "T" Touareg in the rocks and snow!
It would be effortlessly whooping ass
I think you well demonstrated why those all-terrains absolutely suck in snow....
Mistake #1 was thinking KO2s are worth anything in the snow.
The nice thing about that car is you can abandon it on the mountain -- and nobody will miss it.
Would have went better if they slapped some snow chains on
Snow tires would have been better for this scenario but this is a great example of why AWD is so great in snow. No, it doesn't help you stop obviously but AWD most of the time keeps you from getting stuck.
also AT tyres are no good at snow, you should know that.
But, but they're "snow rated K02s..." 🙄
Hey Tommy, When using a winch make sure you put it on free spool when pulling the rope or cable. Using the motor to release the cable you can ran with issues like binding the cable or rope, you will overheat the motor and when you need the power to winch you already are with warm or hot motor. Winch motor need to have certain sequence of use and time to rest before use again. So basically what you did when winching was totally and complete wrong in every way, from safety and equipment use.
All wheel drive, a supercharger, and an inclined bumper would make this an offroad beast.
just because the tires are "snow rated" doesn't actually mean they're good in the snow. I've been plowing through worse snow in my old golf with studded continental ice contact 2. bought my new TJ with 32" ko2's, couldn't drive anywhere without spinning, bought studded nokian road tires instead and now It's not even close to spinning, tho it looks like it skipped legday..
Those BFGs may be snow rated, but a blizzak or something similar I feel would have significantly helped
Here's an idea: The VW New Beetle is based on the Golf chassis, right? I wonder if you could take the rear end and transmission out of an R32 and put it under the Bug to give it AWD...?
It sure isn’t the old bug with rear engine. I had a few of those back when. Giant snow tires in the back, stock little ones up front. That little thing went anywhere!
TFL is a show of masochist. They first take a Tesla on a cross country tow. Next they take a one wheel drive bug into deep snow. I love this channel!
KO2’s are actually not good in the snow. The king for off road. Not for snow despite the rating. Cooper adventurer AT3 are much better.
Didn’t take a German engineer to figure out this task would go bad!!!
What next taking a Tesla truck through a deep water crossing??
Hell yeah lol 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
It would implode at impact.
Odds are a tesla truck would beat most modern trucks off road with more power, 16 in of clearance, and better approach and departure angles.
ChickenGhast adventures 🙄ummmmm yeah
ChickenGhast adventures just make sure to stop of at Home Depot to pick up alottttta extension cords before the first mud hole and rock crawl
Lovely! Keep the snow wheeling vids coming!
You guys do realize that All Terrains are NOT Winter tires right?? Surely you do....I mean it is a car channel. I just watched this whole video....ah I remember when I was young and stupid. If you are wondering what that looks like....look at this video, prime examples of two idiots on a mountain. Way way too dangerous to be up there in that thing in that weather.
All terrains aren't winter tires? Are you serious? And all this time I didn't know any better. Have we lost the meaning of what actually all terrain means in the English language?!
At least should have had chains...
@@albowrx Yep, dead serious. All Terrain's are not Winter tires for the same reason All Seaason's are not. I'd have rather been up there with true winters than what he had. Seriously, do you live in snow country? I mean real snow country like where these kids are actually from. He should know better...or like someone else stated, at least have chains and even then with all that ice under the snow. They are lucky they made it off that mountain. All it takes is one bit of lost traction or a drop in the road shoulder hidden under the snow and off they would go. Here's a bit of an education on Snow vs All Terrain's since you obviously need it: www.tirebuyer.com/education/all-terrain-vs-winter-tires do a brush up on All Season's as well while you are there. Just in case, we want you making it home safe.
Snow tires would have help as well...
That VW is completely useless without a LSD.
Why didnt the traction control brake the spinning wheel and transfer torque to the other wheel?
My 1998 passat did that, made it very good in even deep snow.
Heated up the brakes alot though.
I would think a newer VW would have the same brake based differential lock.
Next time you try playing in the snow on the edge of a 2,000 feet drop, get snow chains. Aint worth the risk for a video!
Winter tires are better on ice and snow then all-terrain tires I have winter tires on my front wheel drive tiguan it is nice better then my explorer 4x4 with all-terrain in the snow
That's a bit dangerous. You really should be using dedicated winter tires up there, not all terrain tires. Those BFGOODRICH ALL-TERRAIN T/A KO2 do not get good ratings in snow and ice. The rubber compound gets too hard at low temps.
It seems like Baja Bob is a bust.
Put a better tire on it and it will go the one you have on it is mainly for dirt roads put a mud grip on it instead of the all-terrain LOL
I’m not even finished watching and Tommy is making me shake my head. The clevis didn’t need to go through. Just put the threaded side on top of it and put the pin through the bottom.
duggydo Yup! realized that about half way through. Thanks for the comment!
I don’t even understand why you guys throw this money to buy this thing when you also have the old one.
Entertainment
Piersandro Mannino i dont mind watching. 👍🏼
TH-cam ad money more than pays for this.
Imagine if the cord broke while wenching
Hey guys Curt here im one of your big fans located in New England I recently got some studded snow tires on my front wheel drive 2015 passat ive been offroading in it with my snow tires never got stuck. Maybe could we see the difference with studded KO2's or some type of studded tire. Thanks guys keep up with the good work!
Probably banned in wherever they are driving, but yeah, they'd probably help quite a bit.
If you're off roading with such vehicle, wouldn't ground clearance be an issue at some point tho?
@@IamGroot786 Of course ground clearance always becomes an issue at sone point. With snow you can conpact quite a thick patch though.
It's a one-wheel-drive without at least a limited slip transaxle.
Curious to know, I didn't catch if you guys aired down at all. Too bad it wasn't equppied with a limited slip.
I'm no expert, but I think it would have done far better with Blizzaks rather than KO2's.
Makes you really appreciate a true off road capable rig
2 words = winter tires
off road tires are not snow tires folks. also, lifted fwd vehicles DO have limits. im all for lifting fwd cars but u need some snow tires. "baja" doesnt mean snow, it means sand/dirt. when u add water/ice to the mix on offroad tires.. good luck
you need winter tires for this
You need a welded diff for this lol
@@boostedlawnmower9955 it could help but still not going anywhere with those tires just spinning all the time
So the "Shackle" pin would not fit into the tow hook? Bahumbug!
You should just weld the front diff
wait what
This is just hilarious.
A front two wheel drive car with studded snow tires.
He tries to drive in a foot of snow and is surprised at the results.
Once he gets off road he goes no where.
That Disco in the show though!
U need winter studded tires or chains.
No snow tires
Front wheel drive, small tire size... That's a perfect recipe to get stuck in heavy snow
Check out videos of Citroen 2cv in snow, I think it needs to be much lighter to work out.
They should have used winter tires. Those all all terrain tires are not good at low temps.
I drove all over in the snow in Montana with a Geo Storm with snow tires. It did great!
Benjamin V and way more torque, maybe a supercharger to have high torque at lower rpm
May16Joe Check my playlist of my Neon snow wheeling, you’ll be shocked.
How about 4 snow tires?
Baja Bob is turning into No snow Bob.
Got my Christmas tree the park was completely packed icey snow. I was even pulling a light trailer for the tree and never even got close to getting stuck with my all season Defender tires on. Oh yeah I was in a Forester. I'm blown away with these tires.
He’s brave driving it there.
That road with the cliff...i would 💩my pants.
It would have done better with a set of real snow tires
Remember when the older guys on this channel used to do fun down-in-the-dirt stuff like this?
(Now they are at car shows instead).
1wd for the win
One wheel Peel
One wheel wonder
Put the D ring up side down and tighten her up all the way back it off a quarter turn and your set bro
I thought the same thing until I saw end of the winch cable.
You would have made it easily with some proper european nordic snow tires...
So those are the tracks I was following 😂
so any car with snow tires could have done that
New title.
"Why are one wheel drive car with crap tires sucks in the snow."
If you had some Hakka 9 studded on there it probably would have out performed the Land rover.
This is about the funniest video I've seen today. Pointless Beetle as an offroad vehicle. Thanks for the laughs.
Love all the comments. This it really heavy wet snow. Even that landrover would not have made it up that first trail. If it was a dry light snow that big would have tunneled through the snow.
Hi. A tip for you is that you may need to use less air in the front wheels, as it is a front wheel drive car and less air in the driving wheels means that the wheels have better contact surface with the ground also that the wheels become more compliant with the ground. Maybe you can have half as much air in the wheels as you usually have. ❗
I offer my fresh General Grabbers, 205-75-15 of steelies for another test. I trust the tires are the issue. My car has been unstoppable the past 2 years in colorado snow..
Buy snow chains for the front wheels which will prevent you losing traction & you need a winch, one that you can use to go forwards & backwards under the car without doing any damage to the car so you can pull yourself out using a tree as an anchor.
A 1 wheel drive bug in the snow..........smart move. All those Baja upgraded looks don't do anything for performance. Maybe if it had a Torsen or some kind of locker axle but since its VW just LOL
Selling the better discovery is sad. It will be missed. Second, you need to lock your front diff. The only way might be to weld them.
Chains might have helped on the ice.
Good way to show why you shouldn't mess around in snow. Thank you for the safe video.
Time to purchase a soft shackle!
I thought the people getting giant eyes and face kits for their beetles were a little weird, but this is on a different level.
You'd be amazed what a LSD will do compared to an open diff. With snow tires I can go just about anywhere (where I'm not plowing too much snow) with my old Corrado 1.8T with a Peloquin LSD. Bigger snow requires the Outback XT and worst case, the Touareg.
SNOWCHAINS!
Winter tires!
Winter tires get me where I need to go in my Civic. Of course I have no delusions that I could go off road.
@@alanhassall Anything in this video was hardly off road :D
@@rkan2 Sorry. Off paved roads.
@@alanhassall Studded tires work fine off paved roads, at least here where I live, in Finland. They work especially well compared to winter tires without studs. The best winter tires without studs also approach some studded tires too.
Looks like Haha Bob was built for looks and not off road Worthy...
Lol this is entertaining as heck to watch this little bug is hilarious.
First: Never ever leave home without testing your recovery gear (winch, etc.)
Second: Its not fun if you say "I just want to get off this mountain" more than once
Third: Use a spotter that can actually see all off the back of your vehicle when backup up, a buddy sitting in another vehicle can't see that you're about to back up over the edge of a cliff
Fourth: Always keep ALL the windows clear and defrosted including the rear window. You never know when you will fid yourself going backwards unexpectedly (just trust me on that one, you don't want to know the story, suffice it to day that a new pair of underwear will be required).
Yeah, old beetle, some actual snow tires
Let's find baja Bob's great grandfather, that'd be fun
I want to say, you can't fix stupid, but I know this is just for fun.
I've done worse.
What are these offroad trails you guys go on? Looking to take my old explorer and friends keeps etc offroading in Colorado but don't know any trails
Now I know who I should call to build me the worlds worst Offroad vehicle.
I still appreciate the effort and the video
tire chains and it would eat that hill for breakfast.
It's called, "Baja Bob". Not Bob-sled! Haha.
man ur gonna miss that disco mark my words.
Yeah...call it "Baja" and it becomes an off-road monster. The extra driving lights and spare on the rear hatch is an added off-road bonus. What's next? Your "Baja" Ford GT? That would be equally good off-road...
Boys being boys!😄 I had a new '84 Rabbit GTI and used cables/chains on HWY 50 going to Lake Tahoe many times!
Tommy, you and Alex are really something, that could not have been me up there. I'm honestly amazed since I did not see the VW or Land Rover sliding, so the right tires helped. That drop off tho, no thanks I'm good.
Well, the reason you got stuck so fast is: there is no such thing as an offroad Beetle. When it's ONE wheel drive, it should stay on even, flat, non slippery surfaces. :)
Should have chosen a 4motion vw for that use
When I saw the thumbnail on my feed, I though it would have been the 4motion beetle.
@@stevoislookingforgolfballs8046 me too
Tommy can't drive in snow any better than he backs Teslas into garages!
Lmaoo!! This has to be one of the funniest tfl videos I've seen in quite a few years. Tommy is hilarious hahahah
It’s not even 4 wheel drive. Why would you attempt that
For some reason I assumed it would be all wheel drive like in Gran Turismo 2 😅. What a waste this car is.
I didn’t think it was possible to lose all faith and trust in TFL but this video proved me wrong. 😪
It’s just a goofy video, lighten up
Burp Robrox
Nothing goofy about that drop