Can I please break your heart a little bit? I live in Australia and spent 5 years working, keying up and installing Bi-Lock locks to the Australian Defense Force. That lock that you have is many years behind, there is a type '2' Bi-Lock that has a '13th' Pin in the very front behind that little spigot that you have bent with your tension wrench. The key has a little pivoting pin that pushes up on that 13th pin when you insert the key. I will have to post you the newer model Bi-Lock to prove yourself and their 'anti-pick' claims.
+Tim Lance Yep. The Australian Government Security Construction and Equipment Committee don't classify the old Bilocks, which that one clearly is because of the parallel pins. The new type 2's also have staggered pins and key inserts smoothly compared to the old ones. They are a different kettle of fish to pick. Pity the keys still shred the insides of your pockets. The type 2's are also a controlled item, so be cautious where you post them.
@@admacdo They aren't a controlled item. They're available to any locksmith who is accredited to key restricted keys. You say controlled item as if the defence force owns them
@@admacdo What? SCEC is responsible for the evaluation of security equipment for use by Australian Government departments and agencies. It is not a regulator or a accreditor. They're an interdepartmental committee, and it's in the name SCEC the E is for equipment. All you need to be a locksmith is a trade qualification as a locksmith and a Security Licence in the state you conduct business. Generally speaking good locksmiths become members of the Master Locksmith Association (but that's not a government department). Sending somebody a Bi-Lock is not illegal, and if you could show me on the SCEC website where they talk about "Controlled Items" at all would be great. Once you become BiLock authorised you can cut and create registered master keys etc. They're not controlled whatever that means. They're merely protected by a patent, and thus you cannot cut them without authorisation from Australian Lock.
Great job on the pick of the BiLock. Six years ago they installed these in our new county facility on all doors and the power electricians have a bunch of padlocks with BiLock slugs in them for tagging out electrical contacts. BiLock key duplication process is very interesting how they first cut the blank then fold into a "U" shape still maintaining precise tolerances.
I have literally zero experience in picking locks and don't plan to learn any time soon, but I still find this channel so therapeutic and satisfying when you crack one of them bad boys open.
Gosh, I miss you Bill! Regarding this lock, the sparse commentary on your part speaks to its sophistication. The level of effort was about equivalent to me doing a Master Lock #3. Lol. You are the man! I encountered these in the wild for the first time today and I gawked!
Hi Bill, I just watched this video and I'd be keen for you to dismantle the cylinder and show us the actual pins. There is a way to set up a BiLock cylinder so it can be picked but the proof is in seeing the pins. Cheers from Australia
@@mcxiii one way I can think of is to drill the holes in the sides of the pins larger (like for mastered bilock pins) or make multiple holes, or make the holes sloped so they're easier to get in to.
I work in Canberra, the capital, and bilocks are very common in government offices and other places. I have two keys for two different buildings, but either will open the padlock on the front gate. It's nice to know they aren't a simple pick :)
Yeah bilocks are great locks, but in Brissy many places are starting to use the much easier and unpickable abloy locks expensive but companies usually can afford a 200 dollar lock per door.
chefgav1 abloys have been picked, do a search on TH-cam and you will see a few people who have picked them.. They were thought to be un pickable but with a special custom pick, lots of experience and maybe a little luck you will get an open
I love your channel Bill; I will say that my whole house, every lock, is outfitted with BiLock cylinders. I even have one in my motorcycle padlock. And we are indeed in the USA. So that's at least 5 more cylinders, beyond your own :)
I love how at 3:25 you say "and now of course, I'm talking like a pro, but I've only opened this once" Well You sir were a master compared to most back then and 4 years later there's no question :) No doubt you'd look at this lock now and just laugh, your skills were special back in 2013, but now you truly are a Pro :)
I've been picking for 3 months and just got a chance to buy one of these in Australia. If you have the chance, I would greatly appreciate any tips on distinguishing between the false and real gates on these beasts! Thanks for all the videos. You and the LockpickingLawyer have been amazingly helpful!!!
My work has these in Australia and I just got into lockpicking and had a busted old padlock, glad they aren't an easy pick because ive been struggling 🤣
An awesome achievement! A 12 pin, double sidebar bi-axial is really getting into the supplemental oxygen "death zone" scale of a mountainous challenge -( supplemental some-thing any way! ) If I got started on one of those - I would be worried I would look up, one day, from a deeply scarred, deformed key way and pile of broken picks - to realize life all but was over! :)
YEEHAA!!!! I knew you'd get it. Lovely job, Like a pro. If by chance you decide not to burn that lock tonight, i have a new face plate for you to slide into the front of that lock, she'll be as good as new... I'm happy i was able to help buddy....
"THERE WE GO BABY!!!! YES, OH YES" hahahaha, I'm enjoying your vids Bill, as a new-to-lockpicking man myself I thoroughly enjoyed, and agreed with, your excitement there lol keep it up :)
I recently started lockpicking too. Spent quite a bit of money on some picks, a small vice, the southford training kit as well as numerous cheap and midrange padlocks from different retailers in town. You are hurting my wallet @bosnianbill, but it is good fun and a great, unique hobby :)
Awesome vids Bill!! Dear lock picking community, I have a question about trying a lock over. over... I'm new to the sport and have had some success with beginners locks but an having issues repeating it? An example I've got an American 1100 that was able to get an open but now it's harder than before? It's got more flop because of 'determination'. Should I just shelve it and get a new one? Thanks!!
There is a building in Minneapolis that runs this lock, my dad was issued some keys and the replacement fee per key was around 300 bucks........Glad I deal with Best
I remember working on a camping ground where the entire system was bi-locks. About 40 locks in total. My friend who was an activities manager lost his master key and it was going to cost NZ$36,000 to get the system replaced!
The school I used to work for had these... Due to the price of the keys, I was refused a key and regularly had to wander the school looking for a blessed staff member who didn't need their key for 10 minutes... yeah, it was a government school...
? How Weak Are The Other Points / Places Of Entry ? Doors , Floors , Windows , Roof ? Type Of Construction ? Who Are Key Holders ? How Many ? Entry Hours ? Window Entry Vulnerable ? Or Straight Through The Front Door ...... Glass , With Smashing It ...... Or Cut Through Aluminum / Steel Frame / Cover With Concrete Cutting Drop Saw . Or Through The Wall ? . ? How Weak Is It ? What Are You Trying To Protect ? " What Man Makes Can Be Destroyed "
My bilock cylinder wont turn, out of the blue. Ive tried multiple keys. The lock itself seems loose. I dont want to fork out for a locksmith. Any advice?
Thanks bill im gonna go an try this i have few different locks what am i actually feeling for is it the tension from the spring loaded pins in the lock sorry if its late were you are im in the uk !!!
wow! that is some lock and some great picking Bill. i have a medeco cam lock with a side bar that i havent picked yet, im gonna get it out the naughty box, ;-)
This locks construction makes me wonder about the definition of "high security lock". Usually "High Security" means that there is a secondary locking mechanism, so the "picking and pin binding" is no longer a linear process, since secondary locking mechanism is supposed to work in parallel with normal pin tumbler action. For example in a medico lock the side bar and pin sheer line can both bind the pin and picker does not know which mechanism is the binding one. However in this lock, or for that matter Schlage primus or ASSA there is still only one way to bind each pin. Medicos with non-ARX pins have other security flaws, essentially breaking the "parallel action" of the sidebar; however the "Idea" behind ARX pinned medeco is the best one of the bunch; but execution of that idea is a fail.
Sorry mate you don’t have me fooled. Didn’t dump the pins and has a k stamped on the front. K pins in bilock are masterkeyed to have all 4 cuts as active
Hi bill im a new subscriber very interested in locksmithing as a hobby i can get picks etc from amazon just wondered what would be the best first lock to try an pick padlock or standard door lock?
+Peter9 and William6 Gaming Basically, in any lock that I know of, the pins are there to hold the side-bar, as King Bill states. When you line up the pins correctly, the side bar can then move and allow the lock to open.
bosnianbill I like how they 1) claim it is pick proof on the website and 2) claim pickers who have picked them are cheating, looking at the keys, etc. www.bilock.com/pickbumpproof.html Don't let the facts get in the way of a good marketing strategy!
Awesome job +bosnianbill! Bi-Lock is going to have to change the claim on their website. Their website says: "There are claims of people picking a BiLock cylinder. In every case we have researched, the operating key was already in their hand and they refused to let us examine the actual lock. This leads us to believe that the locks were "modified" to make it look easy to pick. The locks manufactured by BiLock are to the highest standards and quality. We have yet to personally witness any original BiLock cylinder being picked open without a key. We donate our locks to picking contests around the world to maintain this confidence."
Bi-lock looks fun and all, but there're no real pins holding the cylinder in place; its just the sidebars. Couldn't you easily punch it out. is there a way you could maybe PULL it out?
Ah, I've always been very intrigued by these locks, as every school I've been to here in Australia has had them. Do you just not use very secure locks in the US or what? :P
+Edvin Redzepovic, I'm sorry I was just joking and being sarcastic but that sounded wrong, sorry about that, I didn't in anyway mean it like someone would if they were trying to taunt someone
Can I please break your heart a little bit?
I live in Australia and spent 5 years working, keying up and installing Bi-Lock locks to the Australian Defense Force.
That lock that you have is many years behind, there is a type '2' Bi-Lock that has a '13th' Pin in the very front behind that little spigot that you have bent with your tension wrench.
The key has a little pivoting pin that pushes up on that 13th pin when you insert the key.
I will have to post you the newer model Bi-Lock to prove yourself and their 'anti-pick' claims.
+Tim Lance Yep. The Australian Government Security Construction and Equipment Committee don't classify the old Bilocks, which that one clearly is because of the parallel pins. The new type 2's also have staggered pins and key inserts smoothly compared to the old ones. They are a different kettle of fish to pick. Pity the keys still shred the insides of your pockets. The type 2's are also a controlled item, so be cautious where you post them.
+admacdo2009 Got so many pockets with holes in them...thank goodness most of the places I work at now have moved to electronic keys
@@admacdo They aren't a controlled item. They're available to any locksmith who is accredited to key restricted keys.
You say controlled item as if the defence force owns them
No. I say controlled item as the locksmith accreditation system is owned by the SCEC.
@@admacdo What? SCEC is responsible for the evaluation of security equipment for use by Australian Government departments and agencies. It is not a regulator or a accreditor.
They're an interdepartmental committee, and it's in the name SCEC the E is for equipment.
All you need to be a locksmith is a trade qualification as a locksmith and a Security Licence in the state you conduct business.
Generally speaking good locksmiths become members of the Master Locksmith Association (but that's not a government department).
Sending somebody a Bi-Lock is not illegal, and if you could show me on the SCEC website where they talk about "Controlled Items" at all would be great.
Once you become BiLock authorised you can cut and create registered master keys etc.
They're not controlled whatever that means. They're merely protected by a patent, and thus you cannot cut them without authorisation from Australian Lock.
Great job on the pick of the BiLock. Six years ago they installed these in our new county facility on all doors and the power electricians have a bunch of padlocks with BiLock slugs in them for tagging out electrical contacts.
BiLock key duplication process is very interesting how they first cut the blank then fold into a "U" shape still maintaining precise tolerances.
I have literally zero experience in picking locks and don't plan to learn any time soon, but I still find this channel so therapeutic and satisfying when you crack one of them bad boys open.
Gosh, I miss you Bill! Regarding this lock, the sparse commentary on your part speaks to its sophistication. The level of effort was about equivalent to me doing a Master Lock #3. Lol. You are the man! I encountered these in the wild for the first time today and I gawked!
Hi Bill, I just watched this video and I'd be keen for you to dismantle the cylinder and show us the actual pins. There is a way to set up a BiLock cylinder so it can be picked but the proof is in seeing the pins.
Cheers from Australia
I think he switched the cylinder at 9:04 when he held the first sidebar up to the camera. His hand covered the entire field of view.
Sam Gamgee he does that so the camera will focus, quite common...
@@mcxiii one way I can think of is to drill the holes in the sides of the pins larger (like for mastered bilock pins) or make multiple holes, or make the holes sloped so they're easier to get in to.
@@mcxiii just mentioning how it's done, would have no idea behind what possible motivation there could be :P
I work in Canberra, the capital, and bilocks are very common in government offices and other places. I have two keys for two different buildings, but either will open the padlock on the front gate.
It's nice to know they aren't a simple pick :)
Paul Murray they have bilocks in the halls of residence at ANU too if I remember right
+Paul Murray I'm down in Adelaide and we have them in most schools. Pretty cool!
Yeah bilocks are great locks, but in Brissy many places are starting to use the much easier and unpickable abloy locks expensive but companies usually can afford a 200 dollar lock per door.
Mark 1.0
Abloy are unpickable? I'm sure BosnianBIll would love to try one.
chefgav1 abloys have been picked, do a search on TH-cam and you will see a few people who have picked them.. They were thought to be un pickable but with a special custom pick, lots of experience and maybe a little luck you will get an open
bosnianbill, I really appreciate your humility and mindset. Thank you and have fun picking... :-)
Haha, that deep satisfaction as it clicks open! Well done Sir! Well done indeed! :)
I love your channel Bill; I will say that my whole house, every lock, is outfitted with BiLock cylinders. I even have one in my motorcycle padlock. And we are indeed in the USA. So that's at least 5 more cylinders, beyond your own :)
I enjoy watching these, picking them apart and seeing them out.. Puts a good pep in my step to get home and watch.
Bill may I ask about the tip you received regarding the false gates and how you are able to distinguish them from the real gate.
I love how at 3:25 you say "and now of course, I'm talking like a pro, but I've only opened this once" Well You sir were a master compared to most back then and 4 years later there's no question :) No doubt you'd look at this lock now and just laugh, your skills were special back in 2013, but now you truly are a Pro :)
I've been picking for 3 months and just got a chance to buy one of these in Australia. If you have the chance, I would greatly appreciate any tips on distinguishing between the false and real gates on these beasts! Thanks for all the videos. You and the LockpickingLawyer have been amazingly helpful!!!
My work has these in Australia and I just got into lockpicking and had a busted old padlock, glad they aren't an easy pick because ive been struggling 🤣
An awesome achievement! A 12 pin, double sidebar bi-axial is really getting into the supplemental oxygen "death zone" scale of a mountainous challenge -( supplemental some-thing any way! ) If I got started on one of those - I would be worried I would look up, one day, from a deeply scarred, deformed key way and pile of broken picks - to realize life all but was over! :)
YEEHAA!!!! I knew you'd get it. Lovely job, Like a pro.
If by chance you decide not to burn that lock tonight, i have a new face plate for you to slide into the front of that lock, she'll be as good as new...
I'm happy i was able to help buddy....
"THERE WE GO BABY!!!! YES, OH YES" hahahaha, I'm enjoying your vids Bill, as a new-to-lockpicking man myself I thoroughly enjoyed, and agreed with, your excitement there lol keep it up :)
I recently started lockpicking too. Spent quite a bit of money on some picks, a small vice, the southford training kit as well as numerous cheap and midrange padlocks from different retailers in town. You are hurting my wallet @bosnianbill, but it is good fun and a great, unique hobby :)
made a tension wrench from stainless steel rod 1/16 to fit nice and snug with a bend for comfort. my prybar was stripping out my cores.
Awesome vids Bill!! Dear lock picking community, I have a question about trying a lock over. over... I'm new to the sport and have had some success with beginners locks but an having issues repeating it? An example I've got an American 1100 that was able to get an open but now it's harder than before? It's got more flop because of 'determination'. Should I just shelve it and get a new one? Thanks!!
There is a building in Minneapolis that runs this lock, my dad was issued some keys and the replacement fee per key was around 300 bucks........Glad I deal with Best
I remember working on a camping ground where the entire system was bi-locks. About 40 locks in total. My friend who was an activities manager lost his master key and it was going to cost NZ$36,000 to get the system replaced!
The school I used to work for had these... Due to the price of the keys, I was refused a key and regularly had to wander the school looking for a blessed staff member who didn't need their key for 10 minutes... yeah, it was a government school...
Their like $50 a key haha
No. I've got a total of 12 on my house.One each on the house doors and one each on the heavy security screen. Think I'm fairly safe? Thanks.
? How Weak Are The Other Points / Places Of Entry ?
Doors , Floors , Windows , Roof ? Type Of Construction ?
Who Are Key Holders ?
How Many ? Entry Hours ?
Window Entry Vulnerable ?
Or Straight Through The Front Door ...... Glass , With Smashing It ...... Or Cut Through Aluminum / Steel Frame / Cover With Concrete Cutting Drop Saw . Or Through The Wall ? .
? How Weak Is It ?
What Are You Trying To Protect ?
" What Man Makes Can Be Destroyed "
FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC Picking Bill. :o))))
My bilock cylinder wont turn, out of the blue. Ive tried multiple keys. The lock itself seems loose. I dont want to fork out for a locksmith. Any advice?
How would you rate the high security locks you have picked or couldn't pick. Bi Lock , Medeco, Assa, Multi Lock? Others I didn't list?
I've seen these in Las Vegas on the arcade machines, I've also seen these in Washington on rent a stroller locks
Lol...ur funny...it's good to hear you celebrate when you get a hard lock open. I feel the same way when it happens to me. Good Job buddy.
Thanks bill im gonna go an try this i have few different locks what am i actually feeling for is it the tension from the spring loaded pins in the lock sorry if its late were you are im in the uk !!!
wow! that is some lock and some great picking Bill. i have a medeco cam lock with a side bar that i havent picked yet, im gonna get it out the naughty box, ;-)
This locks construction makes me wonder about the definition of "high security lock". Usually "High Security" means that there is a secondary locking mechanism, so the "picking and pin binding" is no longer a linear process, since secondary locking mechanism is supposed to work in parallel with normal pin tumbler action. For example in a medico lock the side bar and pin sheer line can both bind the pin and picker does not know which mechanism is the binding one. However in this lock, or for that matter Schlage primus or ASSA there is still only one way to bind each pin. Medicos with non-ARX pins have other security flaws, essentially breaking the "parallel action" of the sidebar; however the "Idea" behind ARX pinned medeco is the best one of the bunch; but execution of that idea is a fail.
Sorry mate you don’t have me fooled. Didn’t dump the pins and has a k stamped on the front. K pins in bilock are masterkeyed to have all 4 cuts as active
XD, i'm new to lock picking and then i decide to work on my school's locks and i see this lock.
Great stuff thanks for the viewing
i like how happy u were when finished the job,,, :) congrats....
Hi bill im a new subscriber very interested in locksmithing as a hobby i can get picks etc from amazon just wondered what would be the best first lock to try an pick padlock or standard door lock?
bosnianbill thanks for reply
Oh my god the naughty bucket used to be called the unpick box
these are the reason i started picking because our school got them and threw away all the old ones
very well done
Damn! Awesome job.
Now I really have to the bilock to my list :D
hi Bill, do you need to pick the side bar or is that there to hold the pins?
+Peter9 and William6 Gaming Basically, in any lock that I know of, the pins are there to hold the side-bar, as King Bill states. When you line up the pins correctly, the side bar can then move and allow the lock to open.
is there a website for the kokomolock because i would like to see how much they are and possibly buy one?....
bosnianbill I like how they 1) claim it is pick proof on the website and 2) claim pickers who have picked them are cheating, looking at the keys, etc.
www.bilock.com/pickbumpproof.html
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good marketing strategy!
do you replace all the pins after tearing them up
Pulford's book? 1:35
Awesome job +bosnianbill! Bi-Lock is going to have to change the claim on their website. Their website says:
"There are claims of people picking a BiLock cylinder. In every case we have researched, the operating key was already in their hand and they refused to let us examine the actual lock. This leads us to believe that the locks were "modified" to make it look easy to pick. The locks manufactured by BiLock are to the highest standards and quality. We have yet to personally witness any original BiLock cylinder being picked open without a key. We donate our locks to picking contests around the world to maintain this confidence."
Nothing like bs claims. There's multiple videos of Bi-Lock being picked.
thanks
Bi-lock looks fun and all, but there're no real pins holding the cylinder in place; its just the sidebars. Couldn't you easily punch it out. is there a way you could maybe PULL it out?
Touqe is youre friend according to a random pdf...
Ah, I've always been very intrigued by these locks, as every school I've been to here in Australia has had them. Do you just not use very secure locks in the US or what? :P
+Aiden Attenborough After watching this I want one for every door in my house :P
+Aiden Attenborough We have Medecos and Schlage Primus here. And of course the classic POS Quicksets and Masters.
+wingracer16 do it locks are even worse than masterlock.
+ChilledCanadian get a abloy 10x better. But the bilock Australian designed and is just as good as a abloy.
Can you provide a link to the video that you learned from?
Sorry Ken, that's been too many years ago for me to remember but if you use Bilock as a search term on YT, you'll get a PILE of videos to look at.
okay great. thanks for the reply
Bill would you be able make a video about bump keys and bilocks.
kick ass lock. and great video. kinda like the dom d i belive.
Are you actually Bosnian?
How about telling us a few of those 15 minute tips?
every council home in my area in the uk has bilocks fitted on our doors, I think it might just be my area though
Imagine a BiLock with Medeco tech in there also...
12 Choose 4 gives a total of 495 possible combinations.
+bosnianbill
nice work!!!
legend
Are you still doing the free pick set?? I don't have any way to pm you
Locks like that give me nightmares
"Picki proof" they say on their website. Obviously not entirely..
NMB key
wow!
Are you actually Bosnian?
Are you actually a dog?
Nicky Winters am doggo
+Edvin Redzepovic, I'm sorry I was just joking and being sarcastic but that sounded wrong, sorry about that, I didn't in anyway mean it like someone would if they were trying to taunt someone
Nicky Winters what, no. I didn't take it as an insult. I just saw it as a question 😂.
+Edven Redzepovic, oh good :)