It is a pity that only 17K watched the documentary. More people, and especially more Turkish people should know and learn about the events which forced the Greeks to leave Istanbul. As have been mentioned in the documentary there is no country without a dark side, but countries should accept and not repeat the same mistakes.
A great documentary, my respect to all those who had to endure such pain and suffering , how history is suppressed in many countries . patriotism in its extreme form is hateful , yet a lot of people are blind to their own heritage being of many other countries . it is the example of love and selflessness that needs to be taught , not hate, paranoia and prejudice .
There are probably more than 2,000 Greeks living in Istanbul, but many do not know that they are Greek due to forced assimilation. Since its founding, Turkey has pursued a policy of forced assimilation; many lost their true identity and adopted a nationalist as well as fascist Turkish identity.
Bir Turk olarak o yıllarda yaşamadım ama olayları okudum, filmler izledim. Cok üzüldüm. Onlar bu topraklarda dogmus, buyumusler tipki bizim gibi Turk vatandaslaridirlar. Onlar İstanbul dan ayrilmak zorunda kalınca kulturel bir bozulma oldu Istanbul da. Renksiz, bayat bir hayat. En son da 12 Eylül’de goc etti Rum arkadaslarımız.. Ne oldu? Cok üzgünüz.
Sonuç o kürklü ,asıl hanfendilerden ;tiyatro ve sanattan bize kalan maganda Tarlabaşı.. Allah kahretsin bu olayları yapanları bizi de böyle kalitesiz bir şehre mahkum ettiler .. Kimsenin ahını almayacaksin işte ,milleti bir gece de yerinden yurdundan ettiler ..Her gün cinayet ,şiddet bu tipler ne güzel yaşıyorlar belli
Dieter Sauter's program is unique and valuable. I wonder why he was interested in this issue.... Very few people know and are concerned about the persecuted Greek minority in Constantinople.
Ülkelerin tarihinde kara lekeler vardır, Rum vatandaşlarımızın başına gelenler bizim kara lekemizdir, O tarihte İstanbul dışındaydık, gazetelerden, radyo haberlerinden tüm aile nefretle ve hayretle izlediğimizi hatırlıyorum. 70 li yılda Londra' ya seyahatimizde kaldığımız otelin işleticisinin Rum olduğunu anladığımızda biraz çekinmiştik, ama sabah lobide bir grup İstanbul dan gelmek zorunda kalmış vatandaş bizi bekliyordu, bize sarıldılar, gözlerinde yaşlarla özlemlerini anlattılar, biz de ağladık hayatımız boyunca üzüldük ve nedenini asla anlayamadık. Biz hep dosttuk, dostluk gördük.
i fuckin hate all sorts of discrimination, ethnic and religious hatred ,.having spent most of my life in abroad, i witnessed prejudice everywhere. i hope someday humanity will embrace that they re all the same ...
I would like to see this film. I have been to Turkey twice, but need to learn more. M experiences are only in Sultanahmet . Twice & it was a worthy visit!
Merhaba Rum,Ermeni,yahudi halk Türkiye 'ye büyük zenginlikler katmıştır..Ama maalesef aşırı milliyetçi takım Alevilere,Kürtlere de zulüm yaptı.. Bugün Şişli'de Eminönü'de vb pek çok onlardan kalma tarihi görebilirsiniz..Gayrimüslim vatandaşlar örneğin Adile Naşit oyuncu,Hayko Cepkin ,Cem Karaca ,ünlü bir mucevherci hatta İngiltere kraliçesine bile buradan yüzük tasarladı vb bunlar değer kattı.. Ama gittiler İstanbul bir daha o güzel günleri göremedi.. Selamlar
That's great documents thanks for sharing. True word they are not Greek they are İstanbul Greeks. İstanbul vispes to your ear, you must return to your homes, even if you lived bad story.
Who is the woman in the first 2 min? I feel her pain- she is definitely from one of us she belongs to istanbul and istanbul belongs to her. So painful to see them feel like this and gone. And istanbul is now almost not even ours too- i mean ‘turks’. So bad so painful. I watched her may be 100 times saying that ‘city is talking to me’ 😢😢😢
Nerde hani o Osmanli daki hosgörü, cok kültürlülük. Atatürk den sonra hani nerde. Ne farki kalmis Nazi Almanyasinda - fazla bir fark yok. Yaziklar olsun. Bu insanlardan devlet özür dilemesi lazim.
fazla fark yok? fırınlarda insan yaktılar nazi almanya'sında. insanları sabun yaptılar. insanlar üzerinde insanlık dışı deneyler yaptılar. ruh hastası mısın?!
The same and worst was done to Macedonians in Greece, 8 years earlier. They killed and expelled 300.000 people from their ancestral homes. My mother (5-year old then) and my aunt (14 years) along with other children were forced to run across mine fields. The ones who stayed in Greece were literally forbidden to speak their mother tongue. The exiles had to wait 50+ years to be granted a pass in Greece to go and see their relatives. I'm not saying that one crime justifies another but why is nobody talking about the Macedonian genocide in Greece??? p.s. The Greeks from Turkey now live in my ancestors houses and land.
Dragan Stojkovski When in the civil war you take the part of the side that lost,plus you wanted to incorporate the region to Yugoslavia this is what you get. Greek communists endured great sufferings for their participation in the civil war too and also greek children were deported to the eastern block so dont act like it was something that was applied only to Slavs of Macedonia,and this is definately not the same thing as the one portrayed in this video,because these things in Turkey happened in times of peace.Dont get me wrong i feel really sorry for the innocent kids that had to suffer such a fate because of the political turmoil,but this was the case for greek kids of communists too,dont make it seem like only the Slavs were targeted
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Macedonians are only greeks You said ancestral houses in greece so then you are greek
please stop the propaganda and do nt compare your ancestors just were greek communists that fled and changed their greek names into a slavic one in ov or ski
So So Sad , God knows what they went through first they took your country by force and bloodshed then they don't let you live there how rude. ......... and who says Muslim is a peace-loving Village Inn can someone explain that to me for real🤦
@Kostas the shark Nope. 1955 is date of start of these events. It is spread over time and only lightest events took place in 1955. The real ones happened after 1955. You are the one who spreads nationalist propaganda.
@Kostas the shark Only 2 greeks have been killed in İstanbul pogrom. Not that many. Plus Their populaiton were 30-40k in 1955. EOKA and cyprus crisis turned people against greeks. Since some greek nationalists were siding with EOKA and even helping them. Government deported 12K greeks in 1964. And almost same number left turkey(not deported) in 1974. They basically felt people don't like them anymore and left the country. Yes there were some attacks against greek shops etc. but they took place only in 1955 istanbul pogrom, where 2 greeks have been killed. Well, after 1974, there were only 6-7k greeks left in istanbul. That's why I said you are spreading nationalist propaganda. Things you say aren't true.
@Kostas the shark EOKA was a ultra-nationalist organization which killed many civilians. for 'enosis' plan. Enosis was also an ultra-nationalist plan. They tried to get rid of turks in order to unite the island with greece. They ignored willings of turks and murdered them. And of course people were/are hating eoka since it had no difference than a terrorist organization. The claims that nationalist greeks helping eoka and eoka's killing 800 turks in 2 months in cyprus made government deport 12K greeks.(Most of them were bussinessmen). That's what it has with I said.
@Kostas the sharksure he does(!) '' In a speech on 4 September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios said "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA[113] can never be considered as terminated." ''
@Kostas the shark At Christmas 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, and very many men, women, and children were killed. 270 of their mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated. On 28 December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."
i understand everything i understand why turks decided to do so at that time they wanted to seperate greeks from turks by sending them to greece even though it is sad that was right decision to make i am saying this as a turk this prevented later problems to come
I would like to thank Mr Sauter and his team for this extreme valuable and important work.
It is a pity that only 17K watched the documentary. More people, and especially more Turkish people should know and learn about the events which forced the Greeks to leave Istanbul. As have been mentioned in the documentary there is no country without a dark side, but countries should accept and not repeat the same mistakes.
So true. Knowledge of one's society's or group's dark chapters is an absolute minimum for any prospect of betterment.
I absolutely support u as a turk
Thanks for this movie on this very important subject. People need to know about this story of the Greeks of Constantinople.
A great documentary, my respect to all those who had to endure such pain and suffering , how history is suppressed in many countries . patriotism in its extreme form is hateful , yet a lot of people are blind to their own heritage being of many other countries . it is the example of love and selflessness that needs to be taught , not hate, paranoia and prejudice .
There are probably more than 2,000 Greeks living in Istanbul, but many do not know that they are Greek due to forced assimilation. Since its founding, Turkey has pursued a policy of forced assimilation; many lost their true identity and adopted a nationalist as well as fascist Turkish identity.
So important. well done. I'm crying.
Mükemmel, olağan-üstü...yüreğinize sağlık....
Bir Turk olarak o yıllarda yaşamadım ama olayları okudum, filmler izledim. Cok üzüldüm. Onlar bu topraklarda dogmus, buyumusler tipki bizim gibi Turk vatandaslaridirlar. Onlar İstanbul dan ayrilmak zorunda kalınca kulturel bir bozulma oldu Istanbul da. Renksiz, bayat bir hayat. En son da 12 Eylül’de goc etti Rum arkadaslarımız.. Ne oldu? Cok üzgünüz.
Sonuç o kürklü ,asıl hanfendilerden ;tiyatro ve sanattan bize kalan maganda Tarlabaşı..
Allah kahretsin bu olayları yapanları bizi de böyle kalitesiz bir şehre mahkum ettiler ..
Kimsenin ahını almayacaksin işte ,milleti bir gece de yerinden yurdundan ettiler ..Her gün cinayet ,şiddet bu tipler ne güzel yaşıyorlar belli
excellent but sad documentary
What a beautiful film! I wish the Greeks and the Turks a greater rapprochement.
After erdogan we will
Dieter Sauter's program is unique and valuable. I wonder why he was interested in this issue.... Very few people
know and are concerned about the persecuted Greek minority in Constantinople.
Very good documentary.
Ülkelerin tarihinde kara lekeler vardır, Rum vatandaşlarımızın başına gelenler bizim kara lekemizdir, O tarihte İstanbul dışındaydık, gazetelerden, radyo haberlerinden tüm aile nefretle ve hayretle izlediğimizi hatırlıyorum. 70 li yılda Londra' ya seyahatimizde kaldığımız otelin işleticisinin Rum olduğunu anladığımızda biraz çekinmiştik, ama sabah lobide bir grup İstanbul dan gelmek zorunda kalmış vatandaş bizi bekliyordu, bize sarıldılar, gözlerinde yaşlarla özlemlerini anlattılar, biz de ağladık hayatımız boyunca üzüldük ve nedenini asla anlayamadık. Biz hep dosttuk, dostluk gördük.
ένας άντρας είχε καρκίνο και έκοψαν το πουλί του. Και ικανοποιεί τη γυναίκα του φιλώντας το μουνί
i fuckin hate all sorts of discrimination, ethnic and religious hatred ,.having spent most of my life in abroad, i witnessed prejudice everywhere. i hope someday humanity will embrace that they re all the same ...
Muhteşem... elinize sağlık...
I would like to see this film. I have been to Turkey twice, but need to learn more. M experiences are only in Sultanahmet . Twice & it was a worthy visit!
Merhaba Rum,Ermeni,yahudi halk Türkiye 'ye büyük zenginlikler katmıştır..Ama maalesef aşırı milliyetçi takım Alevilere,Kürtlere de zulüm yaptı..
Bugün Şişli'de Eminönü'de vb pek çok onlardan kalma tarihi görebilirsiniz..Gayrimüslim vatandaşlar örneğin Adile Naşit oyuncu,Hayko Cepkin ,Cem Karaca ,ünlü bir mucevherci hatta İngiltere kraliçesine bile buradan yüzük tasarladı vb bunlar değer kattı..
Ama gittiler İstanbul bir daha o güzel günleri göremedi..
Selamlar
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That's great documents thanks for sharing. True word they are not Greek they are İstanbul Greeks. İstanbul vispes to your ear, you must return to your homes, even if you lived bad story.
Istanbul Greeks are also Greeks
So that you can persecute them again? Only the fools would return to your evil country.
They ARE Greeks! Even if they don't live in Constantinople you still try to vanish their IDENTITY
Who is the woman in the first 2 min? I feel her pain- she is definitely from one of us she belongs to istanbul and istanbul belongs to her. So painful to see them feel like this and gone. And istanbul is now almost not even ours too- i mean ‘turks’. So bad so painful. I watched her may be 100 times saying that ‘city is talking to me’ 😢😢😢
Nerde hani o Osmanli daki hosgörü, cok kültürlülük. Atatürk den sonra hani nerde. Ne farki kalmis Nazi Almanyasinda - fazla bir fark yok. Yaziklar olsun. Bu insanlardan devlet özür dilemesi lazim.
fazla fark yok? fırınlarda insan yaktılar nazi almanya'sında. insanları sabun yaptılar. insanlar üzerinde insanlık dışı deneyler yaptılar. ruh hastası mısın?!
Yaşasın ulus devlet
Hepimiz birlikte kardeşçe daha güçlüyüz... yunanistan türkiye rum ve türk.... gerçek budur...
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We have seen and witness worst at Newyork back in a time.
The same and worst was done to Macedonians in Greece, 8 years earlier. They killed and expelled 300.000 people from their ancestral homes. My mother (5-year old then) and my aunt (14 years) along with other children were forced to run across mine fields. The ones who stayed in Greece were literally forbidden to speak their mother tongue. The exiles had to wait 50+ years to be granted a pass in Greece to go and see their relatives. I'm not saying that one crime justifies another but why is nobody talking about the Macedonian genocide in Greece???
p.s.
The Greeks from Turkey now live in my ancestors houses and land.
Dragan Stojkovski
When in the civil war you take the part of the side that lost,plus you wanted to incorporate the region to Yugoslavia this is what you get. Greek communists endured great sufferings for their participation in the civil war too and also greek children were deported to the eastern block so dont act like it was something that was applied only to Slavs of Macedonia,and this is definately not the same thing as the one portrayed in this video,because these things in Turkey happened in times of peace.Dont get me wrong i feel really sorry for the innocent kids that had to suffer such a fate because of the political turmoil,but this was the case for greek kids of communists too,dont make it seem like only the Slavs were targeted
Macedonians are only greeks
You said ancestral houses in greece so then you are greek
And then you woke up
please stop the propaganda and do nt compare
your ancestors just were greek communists that fled and changed their greek names into a slavic one
in ov or ski
So So Sad , God knows what they went through first they took your country by force and bloodshed then they don't let you live there how rude.
......... and who says Muslim is a peace-loving Village Inn can someone explain that to me for real🤦
I will never visit Constantinople, as far as she is Turkish.
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this is less
It was the Greek people who persecuted Turks in Cyprus. and we got our revenge
@Kostas the shark Nope. 1955 is date of start of these events. It is spread over time and only lightest events took place in 1955. The real ones happened after 1955. You are the one who spreads nationalist propaganda.
@Kostas the shark Only 2 greeks have been killed in İstanbul pogrom. Not that many. Plus Their populaiton were 30-40k in 1955. EOKA and cyprus crisis turned people against greeks. Since some greek nationalists were siding with EOKA and even helping them. Government deported 12K greeks in 1964. And almost same number left turkey(not deported) in 1974. They basically felt people don't like them anymore and left the country. Yes there were some attacks against greek shops etc. but they took place only in 1955 istanbul pogrom, where 2 greeks have been killed. Well, after 1974, there were only 6-7k greeks left in istanbul.
That's why I said you are spreading nationalist propaganda. Things you say aren't true.
@Kostas the shark EOKA was a ultra-nationalist organization which killed many civilians. for 'enosis' plan. Enosis was also an ultra-nationalist plan. They tried to get rid of turks in order to unite the island with greece. They ignored willings of turks and murdered them. And of course people were/are hating eoka since it had no difference than a terrorist organization. The claims that nationalist greeks helping eoka and eoka's killing 800 turks in 2 months in cyprus made government deport 12K greeks.(Most of them were bussinessmen). That's what it has with I said.
@Kostas the sharksure he does(!)
'' In a speech on 4 September 1962, at Panayia, Makarios said "Until this Turkish community forming part of the Turkish race which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism is expelled, the duty of the heroes of EOKA[113] can never be considered as terminated." ''
@Kostas the shark
At Christmas 1963 the Greek Cypriot militia attacked Turkish Cypriot communities across the island, and very many men, women, and children were killed. 270 of their mosques, shrines and other places of worship were desecrated.
On 28 December 1963 the Daily Express carried the following report from Cyprus: "We went tonight into the sealed-off Turkish Cypriot Quarter of Nicosia in which 200 to 300 people had been slaughtered in the last five days. We were the first Western reporters there and we have seen sights too frightful to be described in print. Horror so extreme that the people seemed stunned beyond tears."
i understand everything i understand why turks decided to do so at that time they wanted to seperate greeks from turks by sending them to greece even though it is sad that was right decision to make i am saying this as a turk this prevented later problems to come