excellent presentation today!!... maybe my favorite of the many excellent ones that NH has presented to us these past years. What I appreciate most is the focus on what we can do now to play an individual/local role in moving our planetary host and our species in a more harmonious, synbiotic balance. I am a northern Caliifornian (Norcal) who was inspired by the back to the land movement of the late 60's/early 70's who migrated from the Bay Area up to Humboldt County to reconnect with the land and step away from the huubub of modernity. I did not fully realize my vision but now understand that the magnitude of change I was projecting doesnt happen quickly. After some 50 plus years living on the North C0ast and working as a public planner and community developer I am seeing where this vision of the past injects itself into a strategy for 'community' for the future. This broadcast inspired me to lean forward in my chair and develop local/bioregionall strategies my region as a model for other regions. More to come!!!!
Whenever I hear about restoring watersheds and linking them with the community, I get excited because I have been advocating, against all odds, using water as an entry point to restore local ecosystems within a watershed boundary. It is the most sensible thing to do. Listening to this discussion about bioregion made me so happy, Nate. Thank you!
Nate. I sure appreciate your choice of subjects and guest speakers. The water issue is the most important issue as our planet gets hotter. Every living thing on the earth requires water is survive and thrive. The watershed is a natural boundry of bioregion. Just like mega fauna enrich the soil, we must reintroduce beaver to the our parched watersheds to reestablise the hydrological cycles. The locally produced food is fresher and more nutritious and require less energy to get to consumers than from half way across the country, or the world. Nobody knows better what is needed in an area than the folks that live and work there.
Humanity has outsourced our wisdom too the financial system. Classic statement. And boy are they out ov their depth.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️appreciate your efforts to inform. Now is the time,❤❤❤
Congratulations Nate for moving forward constructively in the discourse on your amazing podcast. Because of your persistence we as your audience have learnt a great about humanity's existential predicament but now it is time to move beyond critique towards transition. I urge you to bring more guests from the bioregioning, regenerative practises movements if possible also from Asia and Africa.
Congratulations to all 4 of you. You have won the podcast du jour award. That is the most intelligent conversation I've heard in a long long while. I am so proud to share this planet with you
Now that I am through the majority of this very wonderful podcast, I have to remark with a word of appreciation at the thoughtfulness this conversation brought to these ideas. The these measures are the most urgently needed measures every community must engage in, not only for resilience to the onslaught of inevitable disruptions of increasing frequency, intensity in scale, but also because this is the pathway to decouple of ourselves necrotic centralized command and control monoculture. Bio regionalism in activism in that direction is something I wish extinction rebellion throw themselves into, super structure from the top down. It can only exist from the immense almost global reservoir of communities that have been dismembered and its parts pond off in order to make them a more suitable cog to service the financial and industrial core. The global periphery is not just but we used to call the third rule or developing world. It’s every community even in the developed world that’s been broken down and made incomplete in order to service a centralized core..
Thank you Nate and friends - this discussion has been very thought provoking and inspiring. Acting locally to restore, regenerate in some way is within many people's capacity.
I live in Iowa on the Mississippi River. This bioregion has been filled with large animal confinement facilities. Does anyone know: is there any movement to convert these large structures into greenhouses to produce vegetables, greens, mushrooms, small fruits for a conversion to plant based eating? To me, it seems that this would be extremely beneficial to the bioregion and to the health of people living there.
I live in Iowa too and we’ve been trying to grow our own food for three years. We’re surrounded by industrial ag. There’s so much pesticide drift that it’s nearly impossible to grow real food. We keep experimenting to find something that will work and have been making some progress. Most folks, not even Iowans realize that there isn’t much food grown here. You’d have to count high fructose corn syrup as a food rather than a toxin to be able to say we add calories to the food supply. Fortunately we don’t have any CAFOs near us.
Instead of "stewarding" the biosphere we should first learn and absorb the 4 billion lessons it has been attempting to teach us. Bioregioning is an excellent beginning but we should all humbly consider ourselves as "remedial students" in that pursuit, and not masters of the universe. Humility and curiosity will be as necessary as sunshine and rain.
Hopefully, these folks will stay out of harms way so that they can teach those who avoided the crisis of big wars. These folks can show others how to live, survive, and thrive in the new 19:48 biosphere.
Well said! Who are we to steward all the other species? Are we gods? It's a Christian idea that has taken hold in Western culture, even among secular people. It may have been well intentioned, but it really is a mistake. It shows a sense of entitlement and a lack of humility, which is what caused this mess to begin with. It's about time we abandon that idea and pay attention to the world around us.
Developed nations, in their pursuit of progress, overlook the enduring wisdom of community living. Our own journey, a 23-year in a small South American town, provided a profound lesson. Acceptance by the native community was gradual, yet I learned a remarkable system of exchange. Surplus produce flows freely among neighbors, a harmonious rhythm devoid of formal planning, rigid organization, or the intrusion of monetary exchange. The understanding is simple: no single individual could cultivate all their needs. Nature, in its abundance, provides more than sufficient for all. This surplus, a testament to the bounty of the land, became the cornerstone of community sharing. This cyclical exchange, a living testament to the interconnectedness of the community, thrives without expectation or rigid schedules. The return on generosity is not a calculated debt, but a natural consequence, ensuring a continuous flow of abundance.
That is a deep insight, thanks for sharing that. I've come to realise that self-sufficiency is futile, it's all about "co-sufficiency". I like that you said it's not a calculated debt. Yet it is a sort of debt, in the sense that it creates a strong bond of interdependence. The good kind of debt.
Thank you for hosting this talk. The format was nice. No one in my area cares to speak about this subject. Gave a little nurturing to a part of my psychology.
I love it when she said that people just naturally know when they are in their home bioregion (Shire), and when suddenly they are in the next bioregion, or perhaps an inter-region. So true.
I think John Wesley Powell said specifically that the arid western United States should be organized by watershed boundaries - and at the time he first wrote that there was still an opportunity to do that. The political boundaries in the eastern U.S. had already been established.
I think we can still organize cooperatives at the local watershed level. USGS national Hydrology Dataset provides watershed boundaries at various scales and local residents can select the scale that makes the most sense to organize.
@@danielchristianwahl I don't know, water is a huge issue in the west, and if the Colorado River watershed was one political entity, there would be no Colorado River compact and who knows how that would have played out.
The political reality is that almost all the counties East of the Cascades have voted to secede from Oregon and join MAGA Idaho, making the Cascade mountains a more rational political boundary than the Columbia watershed. But it's worse than that since Cascadians are nowhere near winning a majority in any county, we have to be thinking far smaller than major watersheds as does the Free Town Project and Antinatalist Homeland, where we struggle to find an incorporated town small enough to be outvoted by our members, to say nothing of those of us who can afford do move there. The city of Portland is far too big to outvote, to say nothing of the entire region, and the smallest towns like Antelope Oregon are usually the most MAGA. Low fertility Seaside OR offers some hope though.
Nate, to learn more about your local bioregion, reach out to Mark Shepard (Restoration Agriculture, Water for Any Farm) - he’s in Viola, Wisconsin and would also be a great guest to interview.
The most monumental of all challenges in the USA starts with needs vs wants ie one less steak ,device, car ,plastic toy etc..., I live in vermont that has more csa's ,farmers markets and local dollars spent only second to California and could be very easily scaled up but has no system of county government which makes it almost impossible for this planning to happen.
Bioregioning was the best common sense. In Europe, in many parts, you cannot drive more than 15 miles without entering in a new village, or a new little city. Those cities were established in function of their capacity to assure the production of their food. The 2 resiliences ( food and water) were the conditions to build or not a city. The advent of long distance transportation enabled by the oil was the main fact to develop big cities which have not any food resilience without a strong logistical capacity to bring food from another region. We are going sooner or later (2030 ?) to face shortages of oil. We will have to think in every city if we are or if we are not able to produce our food within a 10 to 30 miles radius. I do not hear any political leader talking about this so important topic ! Thank you Nate and your invited speakers to help us to understand this concept.
Where I live (in the western U.S.) property owners are taxed (in relatively small amounts) for two water districts, the soil conservation district, the school district, the library district, etc. Our electricity comes from an electric co-op that is owned by all its members. Besides our county government, we have a regional council of governments. All of these entities are publicly financed and subject to public input. In addition we have a non-profit watershed coalition and some other environmental groups. I would like to emphasize that in our complex political system there are multiple points of entry for bioregional regenerative projects, many of which would not require any start-up capital, though they might require showing up at meetings and some grant writing. Our soil conservation district is already starting to get active on this front. I imagine there are similar opportunities in many other counties in the U.S. Thanks to all of you for a great discussion!
About 57:02 Samantha gets the key (she has a lot of other good ideas elsewhere, but this one seems to me to be foundational), it is about realising that responsibility demands a lot from us, every day, a significant fraction of our being, not something to do once every year or two. Stewardship is hard. I have been doing voluntary stewardship work for 8 hours already today, with another 4 hours planned for this evening. Today isn't unusual in that aspect.
You should do an interview with Peter Coyote. Bioeregionalism has its roots in the American counterculture with The Diggers and Peter Berg and people like Gary Snyder.
Forgive my pessimism on bio-regioning, but isn’t one of the primary problems of the Meta Crisis the fact that nations/states/cultures that practice bio-regioning will always be out- competed by nations/states/cultures that DON’T practice bio-regioning, in the same way that Hunter gatherer cultures were out-competed by cultures that DID practice agriculture? This needs more discussion.
That’s hella insightful. My guess is this is tortoise and hare dynamic. Hare will outcompete in short term but tortoise (bioregioning lifestyles/prep) will “win” the race.
Water isn’t only local, it’s a shared global responsibility. Local water/sewage management needs international cooperation. Hydrological cycles know no borders land or sea.
It is easy to project that collective governance is a lot easier if power is sent back to bio regions. Consensus about rules and regulations is so much easier when the governed all live roughly the same scenario.
That's a great episode I agree with all of it. It's our ARK! I'm wondering though: how do we scale down our heavily industrialised life style though?It's easier to talk in terms of watersheds, agriculture, etc but in terms of industrial products and technologies? What about trade etc... ? Cheers!
Nate, as usual thank you for directing a good conversation. Everyone comes to the table with good ideas and I’m glad at least some of us are beginning to suggest that we have some very difficult times ahead and we cannot deny the challenges that will confront us in the way in which we have aggregated people in the cities how we have defined work, how we have to find our relationship with life in general. If we think of ourselves is nothing other than another organism on the planet, we must evolve to the point where we are of service to the rest of life otherwise we will go extinct. Darwin suggested it was survival of the fittest. This has been misinterpreted as the strongest fit means how well do you fit into your surroundings and environment and how well are you of service.we are the victims of our own success. Evolution is the process by which an organism changes as a result of external pressures as we thought it in our best interest to continue to remove external pressures we have retarded the process of evolution and at this point, I think suggesting we are a moment of the evolution is not out of the question.
Historically (and prehistorically) the key is understanding hierarchy. You might start with Bookchin and The Ecology of Freedom, but above all, The Dawn of Everything, Graeber and Wengrow.
A very nice discussion, thanks Nate. I think it's something that many of us have recognised to be the right path for the right reasons. However, we're still left a little short on implementation. When I survey my region, I see that there is no meaningful watershed. There's a road across where it should be, and water is now an abstract commodity, piped to our homes from ten miles away. The surrounding farms operate on the industrial model, their soils slowly sliding out to sea (along with their souls!). The village is a commuter town, with everything designed around the car. It's this built environment that is the biggest barrier to bioregional change in my opinion. That, and social attitudes obviously. Is the answer just to keep scaling back my workable bioregion until it's just my house and garden? Possibly, but then my house is built in the boundaries of the system too, with its lack of solar gain, piped in water, manicured lawn. My family and neighbours have no interest in, or time for, my bioregional ramblings too - they simply don't trust or believe what I say. Thus bioregioning has to be scaled back to the hopes and dreams within my head. I suspect I'm not alone in this. I'm trying my best to be patient until those that need to see, see.
Vast areas of the planet will collapse into financial and social anarchy-violence!!! Trump and Maga will have horrific consequences for conservation and the environment!!! However some parts of the biosphere will survive and spread out!!!!
Yes, these are the challenges/barriers to living place-rooted, regenerative lives in "developed" places. Communities need to come together to find local solutions to the destructive built environment, and collaborate with nearby and other communities to share ideas.
@@jsmongosso yes, but... that was sort of my point. There is no community where I live. Nobody trying to come together with other communities. No traction at all, no traction, even, in my own house. Most people haven't recognised there is a barrier, nor even what that barrier prevents.
@@jsmongosso there simply isn't the appetite close by (watershed, as mentioned), and anything outside of that becomes as abstract or intangible as an online community. I believe that this village I am in will react when it's time to react. In other words, when there's an event that forces them to. I think patience will be key here, I can try to lead the horse to the water in the meantime.
Didn’t overlook. I know Joe - just can’t fit all the relevant peeps doing great work in 1 conversation. And I also missed having indigenous practitioner on here, but this is what came together. There will be more
The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal, the tree is not the forest, the profession is not the person, the person is the humility. A personal tree planted is for life and revisited, it is not a crop.
Thanks again for an awesome conversation. Would it be possible to ask the guests how 8 billion people fit into a regen landscape or if we need to downsize the population to achieve these goals?
AfterSkool expressed interest in talking to you when I suggested it to him. I also suggested having you on in conjunction with someone like Bjorn Lomborg to get your views about reliance on fossil fuels. Thanks, Nate.
1:12:35 Daniel's "chasing delta" comment is *so* instructive in all this. There's a rather amusing quirk to how humans have *counted* since Fibonacci introduced Indian numerals to European monetary systems - rather than noting the universe's inherent (integrative and differential) growth paradigm that we identify with his name, we have used a +1 paradigm to count ad nauseam. Useful, certainly, and yet we've become addicted to exponential growth as a mirror of success, rather than the natural paths laid out. At our core, our meta-cognition of accounting has been wrong for some time.
I truly appreciate The Great Simplification and believe it to be the key in this medacrisis/polycrisis. If you step back and look at the thread that runs through with all participants involved being the board of commons in a Global impact concept/Revolution. Uniting humanity with music #AlexandreTannous education with Erik Fernholm inner development pushing the social tipping point to systemic change at the same time cleaning and preventing ocean pollution. Give me a chance to explain. PAYING back the favour to nature Janine Benyus .
The Gulf Stream is completely different phenomenon than the AMOC. One is based ion Hadley cells, the coriolis force, the other on relative temperature densities.
The blue zones might be disproven - google for the paper "Supercentenarian and remarkable age records exhibit patterns indicative of clerical errors and pension fraud" from last year (2024)
A most excellent discussion, hope is quintessentially what makes us human, to adapt to a biosphere ecologically, region by region, great ideas, however maybe beyond society capacity to put aside cultural differences and drive for wealth and power by very narcissistic powerful individuals, and corporations, especially in the U.S. , time is not on our side, but sometime people have to hit rock bottom before they come to their senses to change, sadly
Its a great companion to the Global Revolution we need now more than ever. And if we can collaborate we can literally overnight be giving relief on the medacrisis and ocean pollution situation. #OCEANAIDGLOBAL Much like Band Aid in1985 That reached 2 billion people without internet. Without Ego and corruption we can be building waste management infrastructure across borders. Let's chat. As time is urgently the main factor.
RE definition of BR... yes, ecology, watersheds... now go more applied and you add things like architecture, fuel and energy, clothing... because indigenous cultures have always met human needs using natural materials that are available!
In the u.s., there has not been enough suffering for an awakening. We drink from the last rays ancient sunlight and therefore, don't experience reality.
Humanity has outsourced our wisdom too the financial system. Classic statement. And boy are they out ov their depth.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️appreciate your efforts to inform. Now is the time,❤❤❤thanks Nate.
Bioregion: a large area of similar climate and geography with the plants and animals evolved to take advantage of that climate and geography. The Boreal forest is found in the Boreal bioregion A Grassland bioregion is mostly grasses Tundra bioregion has mostly mosses and lichens.
Having the erudite explicate the reality of the local...to get the reset of perception...by the erudite..is devoutly to be wished. Go, Samantha, et al.
I have a few questions : - isn't going back to ancient techniques of agricultural production also going back to ancient (before instustrial) productivity level, and a planet that can only feed 1 billion people max ? - If so, how do you decide who must live and who must die ? And can you do it in a non partisan way ? - Is there only one good, and always obvious, way to do bioregioning ? And so never any hard choices to make ? Or do you have choices to make still? and so need political, and then partisan, debate over what to do ? - How do you do anything at scale without the consent of existing autoritises? Maybe it has been said and I missed it, but I don't see bioregioning being implemented in our current situation. I know things are bad and gettind worse, but for the reason I have listed above, I can only imagine bioregioning being implemented after the system collapsed, lots of people already dead, and a need to relocalise food production... (Yet I still don't believe it would be the end of politics).
Yes, I don't understand the whole fluff around "bioregioning". It's just local agriculture. This is something we will never implement until we absolutly need to (because productivity is so inferior to what we have now), and when we will need to, we will do it anyway (because the survivors will have to eat)...
I'd suggest a deep dive into regenerative ag. You will also need a paradigm shift in any beliefs you hold around what you have been told agricultura is. We are swiftly moving away from cropping using poison and polluting the environment. Yields are increasing, inputs are lessening, and farmers are happy again!
The question answers itself. Politics is a distraction to local needs. The conventional story is ‘feed the world’ not ‘feed the locals’, local food is know the farmer more than the packages of low protein, poor soil, foods, foods of convenience.
To have more 'reach' the language on these important topics needs to change. The current register is very academic which is not readily available to many. Are we talking to the already converted within an echo chamber? 🧐 How can we spread rapid change? (Or will the coming crises do it?) And unfortunately humans are crap at making group decisions. And also most folk cannot consider more than two interrelated issues at the same time. Darn...😆
Humans are not so bad at making group decisions, but it takes time and messiness to get there and some humans are impatient and can't abide messiness -- or rather some human cultures do not understand the importance of patience and non-linear processes to our collective survival.
Bioregions are either the entirety of a river system, an island, or a distinct biome. This should be a key part of any governance, with all communities, where most decisions are made, sending representatives to a body which manages that area for all. We should only think of 'stewarding' the commons, we should leave the rest of nature alone. We are not the masters of this planet.
Indigenous people especially here in America were forced onto the worst land. They were decimated by disease and violence and yet they are still here. It's probably a good idea to understand how they did that.
Thank you, thank you thank you so much for bringing the financial extraction subject to bear. The financial system is broken by promising returns to investors in current Fiat currencies. We’re doing them a huge disservice, but by introducing local currencies, which are reflective of bio regional health as an alternative to cryptocurrency, we create the opportunity to launder, some of the money currently sequestered in the existing financial system into new local currencies, which can ultimately serve to support the development of regenerative bio regional structures
Bio regioning, is a much nicer term than re-localization which I had been using. I’d also like to suggest a slightly more of a risqué version: terroir-ist
Ecozones and ecotones in more detail. I'm creating a new one on waste property in a flood zone. Find what will grow in each little ecotone and the interaction they have with other plants. I agree that agriculture produced accumulated wealth.I think that's the cut and I pray we can take great knowledge with us. Yes, and when England put sheep in Scotland they destroyed that bioregion. Sheep and goat grazing practices need to be followed using Savoy holistic models. Goats love trees and shrubs. That's Mongolia all mowed down. The competition for food must be taken into account wherever you are. Horses love kale. A lot of good theory here and i definitely agree in the sociological theory. But as an old organic grower, I can tell you're counting on Mexicans to do the work. Everyone gives up when they realize gardening's more than buying a pot, a plastic bag of potting soil and commercially grown plant. These are the things that keep me up at night. How will you pay the Mexicans if you're not accumulating wealth?
Thank you Nate for bringing these great minds together. If money is power to, what do you call it, the "economic superorganism", then the mass adoption of crypto is a tipping point not to be missed. I mean, it has the potential to be a new power controlled by people, and with good governance it could be allocated on certain conditions like being used for good. So much of the conversation reminded me of Bill Mollison and Daniel Schmachtenberger. Game B comes to mind. Perhaps in crisis the overloads will listen.
Thank you. As listening to the presenters, questios arose as following: 1. The countries along the river Nile, how can they share the water shed? If the problem of water would be solved then hopefully migration Africa to Europe could be stoped. 2. How building a border wall between Mexico and US can fit as bioregioning means? And how USA ambition to make Canada in to a US state and proposal to purchase Greenland could fit within the bioregioning proposal? 3. How a historic nomad lifestyle can be maintained and to fit with the bioregioning proposals? Beautiful Italian hill top towns were build as a means of protections against nomad influx.
48:23 "It has to be power." Be extremely careful with power. Distributed power, yes, co-operative action, yes. Concentrated and delegated power, no. History has made it clear that individuals or cliques cannot be trusted with power. The concentration or delegation of power attracts the worst among us - the power mad, the sociopaths, the thugs. Humans have the potential for _immense_ power. It really matters who wields that power, how much power an individual or clique can accumulate. Power is not a good word IMO. What kind of power? Power over others? More is better? It's a dangerous game. This immature idea of power leads to zero-sum games. I prefer the word agency, as in the ability to act, but even more than that I prefer wu wei, the ability to do without doing.
Lady had the nerve to quote Bucky Fuller's "build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete" and then spend the rest of her time talking about continuing to use the existing model (and sometimes in a fake Native accent). Almost made this unwatchable (not to mention the book plug...).
I would say that my home bioregion concentric circles persist of first and foremost my home obviously, the National Forest, the cattle ranches, the Zuni, and the Navajo. Once I head north and I leave the Ute reservation which is contiguous with the Dineh I really do feel a sense of dread. Because of my life I have to sometimes but I sincerely wish I didn't. Once I get into the mid Rocky Mountains I know that I no longer belong. On those occasions I remember that soon I will get to go home to the place that I do feel like I belong despite being an outsider. There really is nothing like that place where are the silence is only broken by the wind in the trees and the voice of the Ravens that can calm me. I am blessed to have found home. I think that when you find your true home you worship it. I certainly worship mine. More people should worship where they live.
once that a bioregion - to use their term here - is broken I think it cannot be restored. I think this is all about restoring democracy as if thats ever been a possibility.
@rd264 I think you are wrong my friend. To be perfectly honest with you you sound like a coward. You wish to speak about what cannot be done instead of what you can do. You are valuable and you have agency and you can make it happen.
Holistic Regenerative Management needs protection during incubation, otherwise the owners and Controllers of Global Financialized Capital will trample it for profit. They must buy in.
Another interesting concept, and thanks for that. But to be realistic, the global north does not operate like this. One would of necessity have to change the political and economic system, including neoliberal capitalism, militarism and debt-austerity before scaling bio-regionalism. Capitalism is not compatible with bio-regionalism. I think it would benefit the team here to talk with Kate Raworth as a starter to wider connections. In the UK the XR-JSO-Deliberative Democracy contacts include the move to take over the upper house of Westminster and use it as a deliberative democratic check and authority over the lower house of commons. One last comment. Utilising existing institutions like the IBRD and other financial bodies is a danger to life. How that is negotiated and completely altered is key to the survival of living systems. It's a question I have with the BRICS let alone the USD system. Thanks for the discussion.
I stopped listening at 30 minutes due to an urgent task, but I cut and pasted the link for later. So I don't know if you cover the following question: what do you do about the threat posed to any progress and in particular caring for the biosphere, by autocratic war-mongering regimes, who are all hell-bent on continuing the destruction of the biosphere for as long as it suits them but cannot be driven off course by elections or citizens' movements? This includes the Chinese regime by the way in spite of some positive measures it occasionally takes. Do we build up our military to deter them, or don't we?
I know and it is one thing if they can be delusional or whimsical among themselves but they want to impose their unhinged out of touch regulations, taxes, and ideology on all of us. Yeah no thank you. But sooner or later life will reveal itself to them and they will start worrying about which types of adult diapers or cpap machines they need as they get a few years older. I bet none of them goes to indigenous doctors and hospitals.
Money is a resource that has evolved with the civilization of humanity. I would appreciate a discussion about money (currency) at the same level and with the same vigor and creativity as we speak about water, energy, carbon...etc. Until we figure out that reverse keystoning we will just keep saying...and, oh, need money. As long as acceleration is about profit rather than reversing the harm of past harms...
Woo hoo 16 seconds in and I already approve of this message! Bio-resposnibilty for the win. Best reasonable ACTION for the win. Re empowerment for the win. Also we should ban mining of oil gas and coal, maybe you touch on that but like I said only 16 seconds in and you have already tickled my "duh finally" sensor. Thank you
An hour and a half of comedy. Overintelligent pretentious elitists people who dont understand reality. Im kinda disappointed with this conversation nate, no push back on anything they said? Wow. Disappointing. Want a cure to our problem? Reinstate the gold standard. Have a cost to borrowing money. Sound money.
I will add that we have 8 billion pairs of hands. That's a lot of hands. If each one of us just planted one tree in 2025 that would be 8 billion trees. Put your hands to work.
Whew, at first i thought Samantha Power was the bogus, bullshit , ‘anti-genocide’ Diplomat. But was surprised and gladdened to see it was an honest person instead.
Yes I love this plan. Bio magical Gaia and we can invite the world to join us for the bending and elimination of super Uber organismic monster. It is time for us to go back to our peaceful heavenly nature of harmony, music, healing, shamanism, dancing around the fire and for the gods of wind, moon, rivers and sun. Abolish borders, progress, non indigenous cultures and keep the bio regioning through indigenous wisdoming that can feed us, nurture us and save us from ourselves. Such inspiration and the future now looks bright.
Thank you, thank you thank you so much for bringing the financial extraction subject to bear. The financial system is broken by promising returns to investors in current Fiat currencies. We’re doing them a huge disservice, but by introducing local currencies, which are reflective of bio regional health as an alternative to cryptocurrency, we create the opportunity to launder, some of the money currently sequestered in the existing financial system into new local currencies, which can ultimately serve to support the development of regenerative bio regional structures
Nate, as usual thank you for directing a good conversation. Everyone comes to the table with good ideas and I’m glad at least some of us are beginning to suggest that we have some very difficult times ahead and we cannot deny the challenges that will confront us in the way in which we have aggregated people in the cities how we have defined work, how we have to find our relationship with life in general. If we think of ourselves is nothing other than another organism on the planet, we must evolve to the point where we are of service to the rest of life otherwise we will go extinct. Darwin suggested it was survival of the fittest. This has been misinterpreted as the strongest fit means how well do you fit into your surroundings and environment and how well are you of service.we are the victims of our own success. Evolution is the process by which an organism changes as a result of external pressures as we thought it in our best interest to continue to remove external pressures we have retarded the process of evolution and at this point, I think suggesting we are a moment of the evolution is not out of the question.
excellent presentation today!!... maybe my favorite of the many excellent ones that NH has presented to us these past years. What I appreciate most is the focus on what we can do now to play an individual/local role in moving our planetary host and our species in a more harmonious, synbiotic balance. I am a northern Caliifornian (Norcal) who was inspired by the back to the land movement of the late 60's/early 70's who migrated from the Bay Area up to Humboldt County to reconnect with the land and step away from the huubub of modernity. I did not fully realize my vision but now understand that the magnitude of change I was projecting doesnt happen quickly. After some 50 plus years living on the North C0ast and working as a public planner and community developer I am seeing where this vision of the past injects itself into a strategy for 'community' for the future. This broadcast inspired me to lean forward in my chair and develop local/bioregionall strategies my region as a model for other regions. More to come!!!!
Whenever I hear about restoring watersheds and linking them with the community, I get excited because I have been advocating, against all odds, using water as an entry point to restore local ecosystems within a watershed boundary. It is the most sensible thing to do. Listening to this discussion about bioregion made me so happy, Nate. Thank you!
Nate, and everyone, thank you so much.
My goal is to make my small hillside yard a habitat for all God's creatures and grow food for all of us.
That's the best any of us can do. Doesn't get more local than that.
Nate. I sure appreciate your choice of subjects and guest speakers. The water issue is the most important issue as our planet gets hotter. Every living thing on the earth requires water is survive and thrive. The watershed is a natural boundry of bioregion.
Just like mega fauna enrich the soil, we must reintroduce beaver to the our parched watersheds to reestablise the hydrological cycles.
The locally produced food is fresher and more nutritious and require less energy to get to consumers than from half way across the country, or the world.
Nobody knows better what is needed in an area than the folks that live and work there.
Humanity has outsourced our wisdom too the financial system. Classic statement. And boy are they out ov their depth.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️appreciate your efforts to inform. Now is the time,❤❤❤
Congratulations Nate for moving forward constructively in the discourse on your amazing podcast. Because of your persistence we as your audience have learnt a great about humanity's existential predicament but now it is time to move beyond critique towards transition.
I urge you to bring more guests from the bioregioning, regenerative practises movements if possible also from Asia and Africa.
Congratulations to all 4 of you. You have won the podcast du jour award. That is the most intelligent conversation I've heard in a long long while. I am so proud to share this planet with you
It's lovely that they found each other! ❤
Now that I am through the majority of this very wonderful podcast, I have to remark with a word of appreciation at the thoughtfulness this conversation brought to these ideas. The these measures are the most urgently needed measures every community must engage in, not only for resilience to the onslaught of inevitable disruptions of increasing frequency, intensity in scale, but also because this is the pathway to decouple of ourselves necrotic centralized command and control monoculture.
Bio regionalism in activism in that direction is something I wish extinction rebellion throw themselves into, super structure from the top down. It can only exist from the immense almost global reservoir of communities that have been dismembered and its parts pond off in order to make them a more suitable cog to service the financial and industrial core. The global periphery is not just but we used to call the third rule or developing world. It’s every community even in the developed world that’s been broken down and made incomplete in order to service a centralized core..
Thank you Nate and friends - this discussion has been very thought provoking and inspiring. Acting locally to restore, regenerate in some way is within many people's capacity.
Wonderful conversation! Thank you to everyone involved :)
I live in Iowa on the Mississippi River. This bioregion has been filled with large animal confinement facilities. Does anyone know: is there any movement to convert these large structures into greenhouses to produce vegetables, greens, mushrooms, small fruits for a conversion to plant based eating? To me, it seems that this would be extremely beneficial to the bioregion and to the health of people living there.
I live in Iowa too and we’ve been trying to grow our own food for three years. We’re surrounded by industrial ag. There’s so much pesticide drift that it’s nearly impossible to grow real food. We keep experimenting to find something that will work and have been making some progress. Most folks, not even Iowans realize that there isn’t much food grown here. You’d have to count high fructose corn syrup as a food rather than a toxin to be able to say we add calories to the food supply. Fortunately we don’t have any CAFOs near us.
Yes! Watershed boundaries! I love you guys so much!
Instead of "stewarding" the biosphere we should first learn and absorb the 4 billion lessons it has been attempting to teach us. Bioregioning is an excellent beginning but we should all humbly consider ourselves as "remedial students" in that pursuit, and not masters of the universe. Humility and curiosity will be as necessary as sunshine and rain.
Hopefully, these folks will stay out of harms way so that they can teach those who avoided the crisis of big wars. These folks can show others how to live, survive, and thrive in the new 19:48 biosphere.
I Have The Power!!! 😂
Agreed, stewarding implies deep understanding...first.
Well said! Who are we to steward all the other species? Are we gods? It's a Christian idea that has taken hold in Western culture, even among secular people. It may have been well intentioned, but it really is a mistake. It shows a sense of entitlement and a lack of humility, which is what caused this mess to begin with. It's about time we abandon that idea and pay attention to the world around us.
thank you for saying this
Developed nations, in their pursuit of progress, overlook the enduring wisdom of community living. Our own journey, a 23-year in a small South American town, provided a profound lesson.
Acceptance by the native community was gradual, yet I learned a remarkable system of exchange. Surplus produce flows freely among neighbors, a harmonious rhythm devoid of formal planning, rigid organization, or the intrusion of monetary exchange.
The understanding is simple: no single individual could cultivate all their needs. Nature, in its abundance, provides more than sufficient for all. This surplus, a testament to the bounty of the land, became the cornerstone of community sharing.
This cyclical exchange, a living testament to the interconnectedness of the community, thrives without expectation or rigid schedules. The return on generosity is not a calculated debt, but a natural consequence, ensuring a continuous flow of abundance.
That is a deep insight, thanks for sharing that. I've come to realise that self-sufficiency is futile, it's all about "co-sufficiency".
I like that you said it's not a calculated debt. Yet it is a sort of debt, in the sense that it creates a strong bond of interdependence. The good kind of debt.
Thank you for hosting this talk.
The format was nice. No one in my area cares to speak about this subject.
Gave a little nurturing to a part of my psychology.
I love it when she said that people just naturally know when they are in their home bioregion (Shire), and when suddenly they are in the next bioregion, or perhaps an inter-region. So true.
I think John Wesley Powell said specifically that the arid western United States should be organized by watershed boundaries - and at the time he first wrote that there was still an opportunity to do that. The political boundaries in the eastern U.S. had already been established.
I think we can still organize cooperatives at the local watershed level. USGS national Hydrology Dataset provides watershed boundaries at various scales and local residents can select the scale that makes the most sense to organize.
@@jamiesomma2566 That's what Joe Brewer and the Design school for Regenerating Earth are doing right now.
one is an example of bio-geo-physical boundaries of connection and the other Eastern states an example of socio-political constructs of separation
@@danielchristianwahl I don't know, water is a huge issue in the west, and if the Colorado River watershed was one political entity, there would be no Colorado River compact and who knows how that would have played out.
The political reality is that almost all the counties East of the Cascades have voted to secede from Oregon and join MAGA Idaho, making the Cascade mountains a more rational political boundary than the Columbia watershed. But it's worse than that since Cascadians are nowhere near winning a majority in any county, we have to be thinking far smaller than major watersheds as does the Free Town Project and Antinatalist Homeland, where we struggle to find an incorporated town small enough to be outvoted by our members, to say nothing of those of us who can afford do move there.
The city of Portland is far too big to outvote, to say nothing of the entire region, and the smallest towns like Antelope Oregon are usually the most MAGA. Low fertility Seaside OR offers some hope though.
Nate, to learn more about your local bioregion, reach out to Mark Shepard (Restoration Agriculture, Water for Any Farm) - he’s in Viola, Wisconsin and would also be a great guest to interview.
The most monumental of all challenges in the USA starts with needs vs wants ie one less steak ,device, car ,plastic toy etc..., I live in vermont that has more csa's ,farmers markets and local dollars spent only second to California and could be very easily scaled up but has no system of county government which makes it almost impossible for this planning to happen.
Thank you!!
A really wonderful conversation that makes my heart sing
Also very resonant with Adam Greenfield's book 'Lifehouse' which I highly recommend
Brilliant discussion and very useful. Thank you!
Bioregioning was the best common sense.
In Europe, in many parts, you cannot drive more than 15 miles without entering in a new village, or a new little city.
Those cities were established in function of their capacity to assure the production of their food. The 2 resiliences ( food and water) were the conditions to build or not a city.
The advent of long distance transportation enabled by the oil was the main fact to develop big cities which have not any food resilience without a strong logistical capacity to bring food from another region.
We are going sooner or later (2030 ?) to face shortages of oil. We will have to think in every city if we are or if we are not able to produce our food within a 10 to 30 miles radius.
I do not hear any political leader talking about this so important topic !
Thank you Nate and your invited speakers to help us to understand this concept.
Where I live (in the western U.S.) property owners are taxed (in relatively small amounts) for two water districts, the soil conservation district, the school district, the library district, etc. Our electricity comes from an electric co-op that is owned by all its members. Besides our county government, we have a regional council of governments. All of these entities are publicly financed and subject to public input. In addition we have a non-profit watershed coalition and some other environmental groups. I would like to emphasize that in our complex political system there are multiple points of entry for bioregional regenerative projects, many of which would not require any start-up capital, though they might require showing up at meetings and some grant writing. Our soil conservation district is already starting to get active on this front. I imagine there are similar opportunities in many other counties in the U.S.
Thanks to all of you for a great discussion!
About 57:02 Samantha gets the key (she has a lot of other good ideas elsewhere, but this one seems to me to be foundational), it is about realising that responsibility demands a lot from us, every day, a significant fraction of our being, not something to do once every year or two. Stewardship is hard. I have been doing voluntary stewardship work for 8 hours already today, with another 4 hours planned for this evening. Today isn't unusual in that aspect.
Thank you Nate for this
You should do an interview with Peter Coyote. Bioeregionalism has its roots in the American counterculture with The Diggers and Peter Berg and people like Gary Snyder.
Forgive my pessimism on bio-regioning, but isn’t one of the primary problems of the Meta Crisis the fact that nations/states/cultures that practice bio-regioning will always be out- competed by nations/states/cultures that DON’T practice bio-regioning, in the same way that Hunter gatherer cultures were out-competed by cultures that DID practice agriculture? This needs more discussion.
That’s hella insightful. My guess is this is tortoise and hare dynamic. Hare will outcompete in short term but tortoise (bioregioning lifestyles/prep) will “win” the race.
Water isn’t only local, it’s a shared global responsibility. Local water/sewage management needs international cooperation. Hydrological cycles know no borders land or sea.
Until you start doing it on the ground where you are. I get your point and it is valid, but only in conjunction with the local approach
It is easy to project that collective governance is a lot easier if power is sent back to bio regions. Consensus about rules and regulations is so much easier when the governed all live roughly the same scenario.
That's a great episode I agree with all of it. It's our ARK! I'm wondering though: how do we scale down our heavily industrialised life style though?It's easier to talk in terms of watersheds, agriculture, etc but in terms of industrial products and technologies? What about trade etc... ?
Cheers!
Nate, as usual thank you for directing a good conversation. Everyone comes to the table with good ideas and I’m glad at least some of us are beginning to suggest that we have some very difficult times ahead and we cannot deny the challenges that will confront us in the way in which we have aggregated people in the cities how we have defined work, how we have to find our relationship with life in general. If we think of ourselves is nothing other than another organism on the planet, we must evolve to the point where we are of service to the rest of life otherwise we will go extinct. Darwin suggested it was survival of the fittest. This has been misinterpreted as the strongest fit means how well do you fit into your surroundings and environment and how well are you of service.we are the victims of our own success. Evolution is the process by which an organism changes as a result of external pressures as we thought it in our best interest to continue to remove external pressures we have retarded the process of evolution and at this point, I think suggesting we are a moment of the evolution is not out of the question.
Historically (and prehistorically) the key is understanding hierarchy. You might start with Bookchin and The Ecology of Freedom, but above all, The Dawn of Everything, Graeber and Wengrow.
A very nice discussion, thanks Nate. I think it's something that many of us have recognised to be the right path for the right reasons. However, we're still left a little short on implementation. When I survey my region, I see that there is no meaningful watershed. There's a road across where it should be, and water is now an abstract commodity, piped to our homes from ten miles away. The surrounding farms operate on the industrial model, their soils slowly sliding out to sea (along with their souls!). The village is a commuter town, with everything designed around the car.
It's this built environment that is the biggest barrier to bioregional change in my opinion. That, and social attitudes obviously. Is the answer just to keep scaling back my workable bioregion until it's just my house and garden? Possibly, but then my house is built in the boundaries of the system too, with its lack of solar gain, piped in water, manicured lawn. My family and neighbours have no interest in, or time for, my bioregional ramblings too - they simply don't trust or believe what I say. Thus bioregioning has to be scaled back to the hopes and dreams within my head.
I suspect I'm not alone in this. I'm trying my best to be patient until those that need to see, see.
Vast areas of the planet will collapse into financial and social anarchy-violence!!! Trump and Maga will have horrific consequences for conservation and the environment!!! However some parts of the biosphere will survive and spread out!!!!
Yes, these are the challenges/barriers to living place-rooted, regenerative lives in "developed" places. Communities need to come together to find local solutions to the destructive built environment, and collaborate with nearby and other communities to share ideas.
@@jsmongosso yes, but... that was sort of my point. There is no community where I live. Nobody trying to come together with other communities. No traction at all, no traction, even, in my own house. Most people haven't recognised there is a barrier, nor even what that barrier prevents.
@ Can you start? chat with some neighbors? There is no environmental activism at all, organic farm maybe? Local college environmental club maybe?
@@jsmongosso there simply isn't the appetite close by (watershed, as mentioned), and anything outside of that becomes as abstract or intangible as an online community. I believe that this village I am in will react when it's time to react. In other words, when there's an event that forces them to. I think patience will be key here, I can try to lead the horse to the water in the meantime.
you totally overlooked Joe Brewer and co's bioregional movement, centered around Design School for Regenerating Earth. He needs to be on here!
Didn’t overlook. I know Joe - just can’t fit all the relevant peeps doing great work in 1 conversation. And I also missed having indigenous practitioner on here, but this is what came together. There will be more
Absolutely great!
The map is not the territory, the menu is not the meal, the tree is not the forest, the profession is not the person, the person is the humility.
A personal tree planted is for life and revisited, it is not a crop.
Thanks again for an awesome conversation. Would it be possible to ask the guests how 8 billion people fit into a regen landscape or if we need to downsize the population to achieve these goals?
AfterSkool expressed interest in talking to you when I suggested it to him. I also suggested having you on in conjunction with someone like Bjorn Lomborg to get your views about reliance on fossil fuels. Thanks, Nate.
I loved his episode with Daniel Schmachtenberger
What a great idea "Inheritance day"
preach!
Thanx for articulating my very thoughts. ShakeUp XR.
1:12:35 Daniel's "chasing delta" comment is *so* instructive in all this. There's a rather amusing quirk to how humans have *counted* since Fibonacci introduced Indian numerals to European monetary systems - rather than noting the universe's inherent (integrative and differential) growth paradigm that we identify with his name, we have used a +1 paradigm to count ad nauseam. Useful, certainly, and yet we've become addicted to exponential growth as a mirror of success, rather than the natural paths laid out. At our core, our meta-cognition of accounting has been wrong for some time.
As a Minnesotan...I've been waiting for you to find this thread in the tapestry!
The concern is not that we don’t have the understanding it is the fact we do.
I truly appreciate The Great Simplification and believe it to be the key in this medacrisis/polycrisis. If you step back and look at the thread that runs through with all participants involved being the board of commons in a Global impact concept/Revolution. Uniting humanity with music #AlexandreTannous education with Erik Fernholm inner development pushing the social tipping point to systemic change at the same time cleaning and preventing ocean pollution. Give me a chance to explain. PAYING back the favour to nature Janine Benyus .
The Gulf Stream is completely different phenomenon than the AMOC. One is based ion Hadley cells, the coriolis force, the other on relative temperature densities.
Interestning that the so called Blue zons, where people liv longer, are a mix of community and a connection with the surrounding nature.
The blue zones might be disproven - google for the paper "Supercentenarian and remarkable age records exhibit patterns indicative of clerical errors and pension fraud" from last year (2024)
A most excellent discussion, hope is quintessentially what makes us human, to adapt to a biosphere ecologically, region by region, great ideas, however maybe beyond society capacity to put aside cultural differences and drive for wealth and power by very narcissistic powerful individuals, and corporations, especially in the U.S. , time is not on our side, but sometime people have to hit rock bottom before they come to their senses to change, sadly
Trump and Maga will be forced to confront the horrors of Climate Change and the Sixth Mass Exxtinction!!!
Its a great companion to the Global Revolution we need now more than ever. And if we can collaborate we can literally overnight be giving relief on the medacrisis and ocean pollution situation. #OCEANAIDGLOBAL Much like Band Aid in1985 That reached 2 billion people without internet. Without Ego and corruption we can be building waste management infrastructure across borders. Let's chat. As time is urgently the main factor.
RE definition of BR... yes, ecology, watersheds... now go more applied and you add things like architecture, fuel and energy, clothing... because indigenous cultures have always met human needs using natural materials that are available!
In the u.s., there has not been enough suffering for an awakening. We drink from the last rays ancient sunlight and therefore, don't experience reality.
Very well said my friend 😢
Humanity has outsourced our wisdom too the financial system. Classic statement. And boy are they out ov their depth.🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️appreciate your efforts to inform. Now is the time,❤❤❤thanks Nate.
Refinding our ecological niche. Eusocial fire beavers
Bioregion: a large area of similar climate and geography with the plants and animals evolved to take advantage of that climate and geography.
The Boreal forest is found in the Boreal bioregion
A Grassland bioregion is mostly grasses
Tundra bioregion has mostly mosses and lichens.
one can map all the obvious regions and call them eco or bio regions and make tea and feel local. but that wont change a thing.
Having the erudite explicate the reality of the local...to get the reset of perception...by the erudite..is devoutly to be wished. Go, Samantha, et al.
I have a few questions :
- isn't going back to ancient techniques of agricultural production also going back to ancient (before instustrial) productivity level, and a planet that can only feed 1 billion people max ?
- If so, how do you decide who must live and who must die ? And can you do it in a non partisan way ?
- Is there only one good, and always obvious, way to do bioregioning ? And so never any hard choices to make ? Or do you have choices to make still? and so need political, and then partisan, debate over what to do ?
- How do you do anything at scale without the consent of existing autoritises?
Maybe it has been said and I missed it, but I don't see bioregioning being implemented in our current situation. I know things are bad and gettind worse, but for the reason I have listed above, I can only imagine bioregioning being implemented after the system collapsed, lots of people already dead, and a need to relocalise food production...
(Yet I still don't believe it would be the end of politics).
I can. It will happen without any further intervention other than current levels of carbon emissions.
Yes, I don't understand the whole fluff around "bioregioning". It's just local agriculture. This is something we will never implement until we absolutly need to (because productivity is so inferior to what we have now), and when we will need to, we will do it anyway (because the survivors will have to eat)...
I'd suggest a deep dive into regenerative ag. You will also need a paradigm shift in any beliefs you hold around what you have been told agricultura is. We are swiftly moving away from cropping using poison and polluting the environment. Yields are increasing, inputs are lessening, and farmers are happy again!
The question answers itself. Politics is a distraction to local needs.
The conventional story is ‘feed the world’ not ‘feed the locals’, local food is know the farmer more than the packages of low protein, poor soil, foods, foods of convenience.
The local alternative currency is a fairly good tool as well. But very laborious to put into place and maintain
Are bioregional boundaries ecotones?
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To have more 'reach' the language on these important topics needs to change. The current register is very academic which is not readily available to many. Are we talking to the already converted within an echo chamber? 🧐 How can we spread rapid change? (Or will the coming crises do it?)
And unfortunately humans are crap at making group decisions. And also most folk cannot consider more than two interrelated issues at the same time. Darn...😆
Humans are not so bad at making group decisions, but it takes time and messiness to get there and some humans are impatient and can't abide messiness -- or rather some human cultures do not understand the importance of patience and non-linear processes to our collective survival.
Bioregions are either the entirety of a river system, an island, or a distinct biome.
This should be a key part of any governance, with all communities, where most decisions are made, sending representatives to a body which manages that area for all.
We should only think of 'stewarding' the commons, we should leave the rest of nature alone. We are not the masters of this planet.
One suggested capital form would be a reverse keystoning.
Indigenous people especially here in America were forced onto the worst land. They were decimated by disease and violence and yet they are still here. It's probably a good idea to understand how they did that.
Thank you, thank you thank you so much for bringing the financial extraction subject to bear. The financial system is broken by promising returns to investors in current Fiat currencies. We’re doing them a huge disservice, but by introducing local currencies, which are reflective of bio regional health as an alternative to cryptocurrency, we create the opportunity to launder, some of the money currently sequestered in the existing financial system into new local currencies, which can ultimately serve to support the development of regenerative bio regional structures
Bio regioning, is a much nicer term than re-localization which I had been using. I’d also like to suggest a slightly more of a risqué version: terroir-ist
Ecozones and ecotones in more detail. I'm creating a new one on waste property in a flood zone. Find what will grow in each little ecotone and the interaction they have with other plants.
I agree that agriculture produced accumulated wealth.I think that's the cut and I pray we can take great knowledge with us.
Yes, and when England put sheep in Scotland they destroyed that bioregion. Sheep and goat grazing practices need to be followed using Savoy holistic models. Goats love trees and shrubs. That's Mongolia all mowed down. The competition for food must be taken into account wherever you are. Horses love kale.
A lot of good theory here and i definitely agree in the sociological theory. But as an old organic grower, I can tell you're counting on Mexicans to do the work. Everyone gives up when they realize gardening's more than buying a pot, a plastic bag of potting soil and commercially grown plant. These are the things that keep me up at night. How will you pay the Mexicans if you're not accumulating wealth?
i believe in the very near Future ,..
\the ONLY Economy people will be concerned with,..
will be their own personal DOMESTIC ECONOMIES
Thank you Nate for bringing these great minds together. If money is power to, what do you call it, the "economic superorganism", then the mass adoption of crypto is a tipping point not to be missed. I mean, it has the potential to be a new power controlled by people, and with good governance it could be allocated on certain conditions like being used for good. So much of the conversation reminded me of Bill Mollison and Daniel Schmachtenberger. Game B comes to mind. Perhaps in crisis the overloads will listen.
Thank you. As listening to the presenters, questios arose as following:
1. The countries along the river Nile, how can they share the water shed? If the problem of water would be solved then hopefully migration Africa to Europe could be stoped.
2. How building a border wall between Mexico and US can fit as bioregioning means? And how USA ambition to make Canada in to a US state and proposal to purchase Greenland could fit within the bioregioning proposal?
3. How a historic nomad lifestyle can be maintained and to fit with the bioregioning proposals? Beautiful Italian hill top towns were build as a means of protections against nomad influx.
A historic nomad lifestyle, drifting between beautiful hilltop towns.... mmmm😊
@@ppetal1 what a dream, ha?
Mars will be a great place for robot AI actors.
48:23 "It has to be power."
Be extremely careful with power. Distributed power, yes, co-operative action, yes. Concentrated and delegated power, no. History has made it clear that individuals or cliques cannot be trusted with power. The concentration or delegation of power attracts the worst among us - the power mad, the sociopaths, the thugs. Humans have the potential for _immense_ power. It really matters who wields that power, how much power an individual or clique can accumulate. Power is not a good word IMO. What kind of power? Power over others? More is better? It's a dangerous game. This immature idea of power leads to zero-sum games. I prefer the word agency, as in the ability to act, but even more than that I prefer wu wei, the ability to do without doing.
Lady had the nerve to quote Bucky Fuller's "build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete" and then spend the rest of her time talking about continuing to use the existing model (and sometimes in a fake Native accent). Almost made this unwatchable (not to mention the book plug...).
I would say that my home bioregion concentric circles persist of first and foremost my home obviously, the National Forest, the cattle ranches, the Zuni, and the Navajo. Once I head north and I leave the Ute reservation which is contiguous with the Dineh I really do feel a sense of dread. Because of my life I have to sometimes but I sincerely wish I didn't. Once I get into the mid Rocky Mountains I know that I no longer belong. On those occasions I remember that soon I will get to go home to the place that I do feel like I belong despite being an outsider. There really is nothing like that place where are the silence is only broken by the wind in the trees and the voice of the Ravens that can calm me. I am blessed to have found home. I think that when you find your true home you worship it. I certainly worship mine. More people should worship where they live.
once that a bioregion - to use their term here - is broken I think it cannot be restored. I think this is all about restoring democracy as if thats ever been a possibility.
@rd264 I think you are wrong my friend. To be perfectly honest with you you sound like a coward. You wish to speak about what cannot be done instead of what you can do. You are valuable and you have agency and you can make it happen.
This romanticized language like “knowledge we’ve lost” is so harmful. It wasn’t lost it was colonized out.
Holistic Regenerative Management needs protection during incubation, otherwise the owners and Controllers of Global Financialized Capital will trample it for profit. They must buy in.
Why are these toe of people, including Nate, not in power and making decisions that count? Instead we have Trump, Putin, Netanyahu and the like.
I wonder how many people in the USA are actually thinking about bio-regionolism as a form of governance??? Not many I would venture!!!!
More and more, and the ideas need to be shared and discussed.
Focus on Wahl's comments on the financial tool we use.
Mars? Get real, nice try human body won't last without our gravity.
bingo
"Belling the Cat" plus "Rearranging Deckchairs on the Titanic" repackaged into one convenient slogan.
Another interesting concept, and thanks for that. But to be realistic, the global north does not operate like this. One would of necessity have to change the political and economic system, including neoliberal capitalism, militarism and debt-austerity before scaling bio-regionalism. Capitalism is not compatible with bio-regionalism. I think it would benefit the team here to talk with Kate Raworth as a starter to wider connections. In the UK the XR-JSO-Deliberative Democracy contacts include the move to take over the upper house of Westminster and use it as a deliberative democratic check and authority over the lower house of commons. One last comment. Utilising existing institutions like the IBRD and other financial bodies is a danger to life. How that is negotiated and completely altered is key to the survival of living systems. It's a question I have with the BRICS let alone the USD system. Thanks for the discussion.
I stopped listening at 30 minutes due to an urgent task, but I cut and pasted the link for later. So I don't know if you cover the following question: what do you do about the threat posed to any progress and in particular caring for the biosphere, by autocratic war-mongering regimes, who are all hell-bent on continuing the destruction of the biosphere for as long as it suits them but cannot be driven off course by elections or citizens' movements? This includes the Chinese regime by the way in spite of some positive measures it occasionally takes. Do we build up our military to deter them, or don't we?
As if we must look abroad? Really?
lol this can be a comedy. It is awesome.
I know and it is one thing if they can be delusional or whimsical among themselves but they want to impose their unhinged out of touch regulations, taxes, and ideology on all of us. Yeah no thank you. But sooner or later life will reveal itself to them and they will start worrying about which types of adult diapers or cpap machines they need as they get a few years older. I bet none of them goes to indigenous doctors and hospitals.
Money is a resource that has evolved with the civilization of humanity. I would appreciate a discussion about money (currency) at the same level and with the same vigor and creativity as we speak about water, energy, carbon...etc. Until we figure out that reverse keystoning we will just keep saying...and, oh, need money. As long as acceleration is about profit rather than reversing the harm of past harms...
YAS queens
Hilarious. Boundless……. I can’t even list. Someone else said it felt like a comedy. The lack of self awareness is unreal. It is a religion
Woo hoo 16 seconds in and I already approve of this message! Bio-resposnibilty for the win. Best reasonable ACTION for the win. Re empowerment for the win. Also we should ban mining of oil gas and coal, maybe you touch on that but like I said only 16 seconds in and you have already tickled my "duh finally" sensor. Thank you
Keep environmentalism limp and swerve controversy.
AI agent swarms can be created to help coordinate bioregional activities
How do you make bioregional good with situations like this?
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Didn't like this one. Look forward to the next one as always.
An hour and a half of comedy. Overintelligent pretentious elitists people who dont understand reality. Im kinda disappointed with this conversation nate, no push back on anything they said? Wow. Disappointing.
Want a cure to our problem? Reinstate the gold standard. Have a cost to borrowing money. Sound money.
I will add that we have 8 billion pairs of hands. That's a lot of hands. If each one of us just planted one tree in 2025 that would be 8 billion trees. Put your hands to work.
Immediately you can take your money out of a bank and put it in a credit union
Whew, at first i thought Samantha Power was the bogus, bullshit , ‘anti-genocide’ Diplomat. But was surprised and gladdened to see it was an honest person instead.
Yes I love this plan. Bio magical Gaia and we can invite the world to join us for the bending and elimination of super Uber organismic monster. It is time for us to go back to our peaceful heavenly nature of harmony, music, healing, shamanism, dancing around the fire and for the gods of wind, moon, rivers and sun. Abolish borders, progress, non indigenous cultures and keep the bio regioning through indigenous wisdoming that can feed us, nurture us and save us from ourselves. Such inspiration and the future now looks bright.
Thank you, thank you thank you so much for bringing the financial extraction subject to bear. The financial system is broken by promising returns to investors in current Fiat currencies. We’re doing them a huge disservice, but by introducing local currencies, which are reflective of bio regional health as an alternative to cryptocurrency, we create the opportunity to launder, some of the money currently sequestered in the existing financial system into new local currencies, which can ultimately serve to support the development of regenerative bio regional structures
Nate, as usual thank you for directing a good conversation. Everyone comes to the table with good ideas and I’m glad at least some of us are beginning to suggest that we have some very difficult times ahead and we cannot deny the challenges that will confront us in the way in which we have aggregated people in the cities how we have defined work, how we have to find our relationship with life in general. If we think of ourselves is nothing other than another organism on the planet, we must evolve to the point where we are of service to the rest of life otherwise we will go extinct. Darwin suggested it was survival of the fittest. This has been misinterpreted as the strongest fit means how well do you fit into your surroundings and environment and how well are you of service.we are the victims of our own success. Evolution is the process by which an organism changes as a result of external pressures as we thought it in our best interest to continue to remove external pressures we have retarded the process of evolution and at this point, I think suggesting we are a moment of the evolution is not out of the question.