muddy hill + pulling trailer = I LOST - the Georgia Traverse one last time
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2018
- Ok, so I got in one last trip before we moved to Park City Utah - I was fortunate enough to spend TWO nights on a wet, muddy, GREEN Georgia Traverse. I ventured completely off the mapped trail and found myself in quite a predicament with the trailer. Getting that thing up a steep muddy, tight hill was... interesting. We're all ok though.
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Nice setup and electronic Equipments good video
Great video. This is tough. Seems the trailer became a crutch. This is the type of exploring that needs either a buddy or big cajones....I mean, you had a winch :) I doubt many people do serious remote off roading solo even with many years of experience.
My neck of the woods is the area east of Benton Tn. Big Frog Loop and Conasauga River roads. Great mtn rides around here but some of the tight trails become near impossible after a rain.
For towing a trailer, you need to cross your chains over more than once to take up the slack. If you hitch fall out or your ball happens to break, that trailer tongue is going into the ground hard.
No ball. All pins locked.
Or...you can watch Musashi on Netflix. Didn't know there was a book.
Awesome thanks have a good day
That was great Jason!! Thanks for sharing!!
Shortly after 1:33..... Jason started tripping balls.
But seriously, I can't imagine how much time Jason puts into these videos because the quality is unbelievable.
Haha. Thanks!! Were those the wacky kind of shrooms?
I wish!!!!!! By the way Jason, some day you should look at going out to Silver Lake in Michigan.
Hi Jason- Been watching your channel fo a couple of years now. Planning trip to Georgia Traverse this w-end. Two families with kids. Driving from Tampa. Vehicles: 2020 Rubicon and 2009 LC200. Have maps on google earth and Gaia. Recommended starting point and route (East or West, effectively)? We have Fri PM through Mon night inclusive of transit to/from Tampa. Goal is to get to elevation, camp, do Easy to Med trails.Thanks so much! Rick
Like your ending .
Good call turning around. It's good to now when to call it a day. You KNEW you could turn around there, but not up the trail. It's definitely better to err on the side of caution when wheeling solo. Was that like a 32-point turn you ended up making? lol RE those deflators - I tried to order a set of those from a 4X4 shop years back when I had my Jeep. The guy told me not to bother, they were more trouble than they're worth as they were tough to calibrate and KEEP calibrated. He recommend another type of deflator, which was basically a hose that fit on the valve stem, with a release button on the other end an an inline gauge in between. You have to do 1 at a time, but at least it' accurate.
I didn’t count. But that sounds about right.
great video and informative thanks jason
Jason... Totally get the alone thing. Not being around lots of other people. That’s why we’re out there in the first place. I’ve watched all your vlogs now. Don’t think you’ll know until years from now. “It’s so cool what you’re doing”. It’s a blast going with you. A true pilgrim. Keep it up. ☮️
great vid. Jason good places as always congratulations
I had a good time thanks for sharing!
Another great video; ... and agree you probably made the correct decision.
Another great video. Smart decision on the muddy hill, you can see that your all-terrain tires were packed solid with mud, essentially turning them into slicks. I have no doubt that with the winch and some patience you could have the hill if you needed to. But no shame in heading back down this time.
Great quality videos . Deserves a subscribe. Keep doing what you r doing
Tenacious J! Could have dropped the trailer in the trees and gone ahead with the SUV to explore. Just a thought. Also, this video helped me decide NO to a trailer! 🤣🤣
Those off road trailers are cool, but I think a lot of people forgot how much they can change the dynamics of off-roading!
Wayward - Yeah.... and then mountain people steal it. I've seen it happen a million times....textbook case.
@@CarsAndZebras That's a lot of stolen trailers. How do you even keep count?
Dude, he had the equipment! Winch and all.....just pussied out!
That's when you learned AT tires suck in slick muddy situations. Now that your out west, your good to go.
It’s not fun alone
1st Off-Great Music & Great VLOG. Always fun.
Knowing when to turn around is actually the most critical skill you can develop. Like you said, accomplishment is all a matter of perspective. I'd say you learned alot.
Travelling with a trailer is always an adventure. If you are going alone, I'd have a getway bag with a campstove set up, sleeping bag, pad & small ground tent & just leave the trailer home for those. It will give you more variety in your experience as well.
jason u made the right choice always go with ur gut. u crack me up...
Those deflator are awesome!!!! I used em a few weeks ago they were spot on. Thanks Jason!!!
Honestly Jason, it was better you turned around. All terrain tires do kind of suck in sticky slippery mud but I don't think mud terrain tires would have gotten you much further with how slick that ground was and the steepness of it with the trailer. It's good to get out on your own. That's when you really find your & your equipment limits. All you can do from this is learn.
Short of Mud Tires, wouldn't NOT airing down be better, to cut through the mud...and this is where those tall skinny tires would have come in handy! I'm thinking of going to 255/80 tall and skinnies myself. Great video, cheers!
Do you know the coordinates for the start of the trail?
Yeah no surprise you lost. I am from GA and I went with the KM3s just because I knew the KO2s would not handle the Georgia clay. So don't feel bad. The clay is evil.
Did I hear correctly, you are towing 3,000+ lbs? How did you double the trailer weight? What extras are in there? Maybe it is time for a trailer weight loss program, if it hasn't been used on the last 2 trips it goes into the garage and not the trailer. Just a thought.
I use a digital tire gauge for the last 12 years ...very accurate and done in no time
I agree. Those individual tire decompressors make no sense to me at all, I can deflate all four of my tires to exactly the same psi in the time it would take him to do each one. Can do it even faster that way than with the ARB decompressor I bought, which is nice to have, but certainly not necessary.
Ever considered unhitching the trailer in the middle of a turn around with the trailer and then reconnecting from the other side to make it easier to turn?
Okay, here's a question I haven't seen asked. How are you getting fuel? How far are the nearest towns? I know you bring your own but, when those are empty where do you go? I've done my fare share of back country driving but, was always close to a gas station. It looks to me like you're a little far from the nearest town
Jason: WINCH IT !!!!
the Book of Five Rings. Read it for karate as a kid. I'm guessing, but I don't want to look and see if I'm right. lol
I would love to get a trailer like yours but they are expensive. Also I love the Alabama woods. I’m Jesus of your setup
The weight resting on the tire will change the pressure measured by the tool you are using. I believe you need to set each valve independently and mark it so you know the tire it belongs.
What map software is that on your iPad?
I had those inflators as well and was never able to get them to set right, even with a single deflator sometimes it would be 2-4psi off what they were just 5 mins ago. I didn't find them reliable enough so I returned them. That was just my experience though, maybe I had bad units.
at 20:00 I'm yelling at you through the screen to give it more gas LOL. Then I eventually yelling at the screen to use the got-dang winch man! Video quality is on-point dude, love this channel.
If you got a camping itch, ya gotta scratch. That's cool you went out. I want to go that myself but the thought of not sharing it with my boys bums me out.
Where in north ga mtns? I live in Dalton ga. Have a lake house in blue ridge. You gotta be close. Cool music and I always watch and love your videos. I never comment much. But I watch and enjoy. Good job
Joes Golden Garage Cleveland here. always out running around in the Big Frog and Cohutta areas :)
from birmingham. did the traverse this spring. Me, my wife, 2 girls, a buddy and his wife and 3 girls! Had a blast. Gorgeous country. Just wish we knew about your lake house!
Georgia clay and KO2s. Just need more bite. It really slicks them up.
I bought the trailhead tire deflators. They aren't as complicated as these are. Also they seem more reliable because all the moving parts are inside. HOpe you can get these sorted out. :-)
Oh cool I see where you were! My wife was a camp counselor at windy gap back in the 90s when they had a camp. Is it still a camp?
Do u like georgia traverse better or Colorado mountain trails best?
I did a couple trips years ago on my own, not as fun as with the fam.
Good job and trying your best. No shame in turning around. You will gain more confidence as you go solo more often. If I waited for someone to go with, I'd never go. I solo 95% of the time.
Why would you air down trailer tires? There’s no power/traction gained from them and you actually hurt yourself by increasing drag and nominally decreasing trailer height.
I'm surprised you brought the trailer, being out by yourself. I guess i might have taken it too if i spent that much on a super nice trailer, haha. I get a lot of hate for this opinion, but thats why i'd never run the ko2. Or really most any a/t tire. They are just about useless in mud.
funny, and true. problem is some of us need at's. i'm running cooper stt pro's and there wear sucks.I will be switching to some type of AT, actualy looking a the Nitto ridge grappler
Jason you did really well getting as far as you did so you shouldn't feel that you've failed. Didn't the BFG's not throw out the mud out when you spun the wheels up?
Jason, sorry i don't know if you have mentioned or not, do you have a winch or no winch, and if so, why didn't you winch up there?
Or didn't cause as you said, you didn't hike up there to know how much worse they trail could have become?
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I have a winch. It would have been a lot of winching. That was just the beginning of the hills. I’d have had at least 3 different changes to make it up and I wasn’t sure I could get through where I was going.
I tried using those deflators about a year or two ago and I ran into problems with them constantly. They always seem to get out of calibration, and since they all look the same, it's really easy to lose track of which one was off by a few psi, so when you recalibrate, you basically have to do them ALL again. No matter how tight I set them or how careful i was when taking them out and putting them away, they always ended up out of calibration after a few trips. That and they took forever to deflate. In the end I ended up just learning how to "look for the bulge" by sight using a valve core remover. It's so much faster to deflate now (takes me about 30 seconds a tire) and it turns out my eye is apparently more sensitive than those deflators. I air down to the desired bulge and am rarely off by more than 1 psi. usually it's like all but one will be 18psi and one stray will be 19psi. I heard that there are some military spec deflators that are really accurate, but they're like $350+ for a set of four. I started working on a video for my channel about deflating "by eye" hopefully i'll have it finished and published in the near future
Yep, for decades those deflators have been notorious for being finicky and really best if you always go to the same PSI. A rapid deflator can get the job done in about the same time and allows target PSI variation.
I actually did a review of the Boulder Tools automatic tire deflators. I set them at ~15-16 PSI and let them run while I prepare everything else. You're right, they aren't exactly accurate. But they will deflate while I prepare other things. Then I manually set them exactly where I want them.
Brien Wankel Paint them different colors or use a vibrating pencil to mark them. Use blue loctite...
Yea not getting through that in an a/t tire too easy. That road looks like my private road up to my house😂
Thank you for sharing this video Jason. We live here in North Carolina and didn't know that there is a trail like this. Can you give me the coordinates to this trail again? Once I get my 4Runner, I will give it a try. I see that you use 4L it should have no problem with the MaxTrack board underneath. However, it would be easier if you have a spotter and a set of off-road tires. But what a great attempt. You should be proud of yourself for getting that far all by yourself! Best of luck to you on your over landing adventures.
At 18:33, I believe you could have made it up a little further because your momentum was good until you let off the gas. I would have long winch up the hill with a extended strap from a strong tree until I reach a dry grip surface. And dealing with tires if your looking to get new sets I would go with a hybrid mud/all terrain tire within a reasonable budget prize. Great Overlanding Video.
Jason, you need to take the time to set the deflators individually. Checking length / height will only get you close. The determining factor is the spring inside, and they can vary from each other even if they are identical length. Take an hour at home and get it right.
Congrats on your possible house in PC! You'll be like 20 minutes from me, so next time you could have an offroading buddy ;) Love the rig
A valiant effort, Jason! Loved the video... What is the Andrew Applepie song you mixed in those scenes?
Ok. Now I have to go try this hill!!! Can you give me any information on location?
Know exactly what you mean about “alone”. Big groups at lien KOA kind of take away from the experience for me as well. Unless that is the intended trip with a group of friends. I’d like to plan a solo trip soon to find myself in a way. But I know I’d miss my family.
Nice video as always Jason, just a recommendation, you should never go wheeling alone
Yo. Great vid. Your productions are always high quali-tea.
Mosquito = real Jaw-Jua state bird.
You had to turn around....so what. Nothing wrong with playing it safe when you are solo.
Musashi is awesome. Check out Jocko Podcast 100.
What is the goodness theory on deflators? Saving time?
LOVE jocko!
Great video as usual, Jason. Do you think mud tires would have made a significant difference? Also, is there a reason you didn’t try crawl control? For what it’s worth I think you made a valiant effort. Good call on the turnaround.
Couldn’t you just use one deflator for all tires? Sure it’ll take longer but all four will be exactly the same.
It would defeat the purpose. I have one deflator I could use all around and monitor the pressure along the way. But again. I have to do them one by one
I had a set of Nitto Terragrappler G2s on my Discovey for 30k miles. Great all around tire but I found myself in these situations too many times. I've since upgraded to BFG KM3s and I now have the traction in situations like this to keep moving forward. the difference is night and day! I saw you were upgrading wheels, are you upgrading tires as well?
I second the upgrade to KM3s Jason. they are M+S rated so no worries needing chains in our local SLC mountains.
Loving your channel so far and it's inspiring me to get into off roading, overlanding, and camping!
Quick question, what cell provider do you use for your ipdad/navigation?
Thanks Tyler! I use att
@@SwellRunner thanks for letting me know! I assume you use Gaia for navigation?
I'm working my way through your videos and it's really inspiring me! Keep up the great work!
Wow, that is a ton of stuff to drag around for a solo short outing. You do know that people hike with an 70 liter pack on there backs for longer outings than this outing of yours?
I really enjoy your videos. But I have to ask, why do North Americans carry so much unnecessary gear?
Just in case you need it, better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. And besides...we’re Americans 😎
Lol fair enough. I can understand going tool and parts heavy. But all the excess luxury, gadgets etc just add more weight, more setup / pack up time. Each to their own, but in my experience something is not refined by filling it over full, but rather by removing everything that’s not needed ✌️
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I think most people develop by starting to adventure when they are young & single and often go alone. Then they have girl/boyfriends or friends who will come with them. Next its family and then often your family & others. Recently, alot of people with families have been diving in which has changed the dynamic some & of course, there's always exceptions & variations. I know for myself, it has been a big change from me going by myself or a girlfriend in a relatively unplanned, light load adventure to planned, nearly expedition style camping with my family. After decades of the other, I've only just now started investing in a family tent, coleman style stove, roof rack gear, etc. That said, my Mom is in her 70s & travels remote & solo with just her dog & sleeping in her rig so maybe it's the circle of life.
Also, what map system do you use?
If it wasn’t for the trailer he would made it
12:58 yes there are a number of firsts. A Toyota in an American off road vid!!!!!
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its the reason why I dont like BFG all terrains... they pack mud really quickly and become useless. They've let me down before.
But if you really wanted too ... you couldnt have winched yourself up there...
The Book of 5 Rings? Funny that a book on, basically warfare, is read so extensively by businesmen.
Kenny Meadors if you’ve ever been in business, there are many similarities lol
You have a winch, maxtraxx, crawl control, rear diff locker. Why don’t you use it?
Used it all but the winch and crawl control.
Crawl control doesn't work too well in the mud. Momentum is best for mud. Possibly a wider turn and started it back a little further before the turn. I don't like Maxtraxx, they basically work on sand and that's about it.
Yup Using the winch was the only way forward with that trailer. 18 months ago this would of been unthinkable for you to even try. Good job, good try
Jason I have a question for you. I recently traveled to Yellowstone Park. And had so much problems with the GPS. So I see that you use a lot your tablet, what king of internet connection do you have?
Cellular iPads have GPS receivers
Jason Koertge wait a minute, so you have phone signal? In the places I go there is no service at all. That’s why I am stock with paper maps
Eugenio Guerra download maps before you go Gaia maps
Yes you need a cellular enabled iPad to get the gps working. However you do NOT need the cellular iPad to be connected to a cellular network (paying for the connection). I use Gaia GPS too and tried it with an iPad with and without cellular, the one without the cellular was completely useless without a WiFi connection.
What is the map app you are using on that iPad ?
Gaiagps
Gaia gps rocks! Even the free version is immensely useful
Been a subscriber for a while now but I can’t help but ask, did you have back or neck surgery? You never rotate your head! Lol no disrespect, just curious.
The music is horrendous. I like your videos, just let the music die.
It's called not wanting to "People" with others outside your pod...
KO2 Problems
You just needed studded tires or chains, and a group of Orcs with over-powered mustard gas bazookaz on patrol in front of you!
Maxtrax and a winch...you gave up to easy. Unless the winch is not rated for both T4R and Turtleback, then you need to upgrade the winch. You still get a thumbs up Jason!!!
Haha! We got stuck in *exactly* the same spot on our GT trip in April. We camped at the same site on the AT and fell into the same trap looking at Google satellite imagery. We had a helluva time turning around my 4R, a Tacoma with offroad teardrop, and a jk unlimited with offroad teardrop. Did you have any trouble with the big double-hump shortly before? My friends' trailers plowed into the crests pretty badly.
No problems on the double hump. It was fun to do though! Plenty of mud on the max coupler!
welcome to the realworld SOUTH where all yall overlanding cool stuff gets a lesson of red clay slides you back go at the bottom of the hill. Do not pass go. Wish more of them would try it.
Not trying to be mean , because i would like to overland and camp the midwest !! But the slippery clay around the SouthEast is not friendly for added weight and trailers.
Shit, if i owned my own company I'd be doing the same stuff as u.
Hey either on~off road what’s your mpg whenever you pull your trailer?
10-11 highway. 8-9 on trail
Rule #1 never go alone. rule #2 Be prepared. Rule #3 know your skills level. And on next week.. help im lost in woods with no idea how to get out and my boys need me. Stay home sell your stuff.
You befuddle me. Must be new around here?
Not as new you to exploring the woods. Start back in the 90s with my dad as a young kid. Always had three or more vehicles with use evertime. Just in case something happens. One time had to leave the vehicles overnight in the woods in mid winter to get part fix in the morning to drive out the next day
Man you give up way too easy that's why you have a winch
Rule #1: Don't go wheeling by yourself.
Damn you talk too much!
Yawn
Exactly my response to your comment lol
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Bernie yawning is contagious