this is my weapon, I served 84/86 in a pontoon regiment, I was shocked when I was given it, the political officer claimed that it was a good weapon tested on the rubble of Berlin hehe Greetings from Poland
@@MBkufel Yeah, but also nope. A lot of Polish support units, including pontoon and engineer regiments used the PPS-43 all the way into the late 80s. Regular infantry would probably use the AKMS though.
Eh, that's not tha bad, right? My dad was recalled into a refresher exercise up here in Sweden in the 1980's. He was given a day's course on how to bandage wounded, given an SMG (Carl Gustaf m/45), and placed in a unit of other middle-aged men armed with water-cooled machine guns and a gun from 1907 and they were tasked with holding a bridge.
I also had one in the 80's,it had foldable stock and was made in 1955 or 56 ,so not all the facts in video are clear (not to mention he said 42 by mistake).
Well It is Idea of Polish Constructors who missed a wooden stock. However, many people don't like it. As a Pole, I think that it is ugly and not practical
@me Me Come on! We're talking about country, that couldn't even make PL-01 tank and keeps buying non-functional F16s (EDIT: and F35s), because USA is Poland's "bff"
I was thinking the same, but it's actually a PPSh-41 type stock. But I don't understand why it has a pistol grip. I have one myself and that pistol grip has no function whatsoever. It's comfortable to hold while you press the button that opens the gun, but that's it. That might be the reason they added it, but I really don't know.
It will never stop amazing me just how much things flex in slow motion. I understand the physics behind it, but to actually see it is pretty damn cool.
Wish the PPs-43 and PPd-40 would get more screentime in WW2 video games. The PPsh is gorgeous but i wish every WW2 game didnt have only the well known guns
Red Orchestra 2 has the PPS-42, predecessor to the PPS-43. Days of War has both the PPS-43 and PPD-40. But "nobody" plays that game. There is bots though. Red Orchestra 2 still has a very active community.
It’s that hot ammo. The bolt slamming to the back of the receiver is causing the bouncing around. Rounds not as hot won’t propel the bolt back as much. A little extra spring pressure and maybe more pad than what’s there would probably make this gun outstanding.
I hate to seem pretentious, Ian. But according to Polish battle doctrine, all soldiers are to yell "kurwaaaaaa" for the duration of any sustained or automatic fire.
In the slowmo shots, you can see that the problem Ian was describing is because the bolt is so much heavier than the rest of the gun. When a round is fired, you actually see the gun _pull forward_ because the bolt moving backwards is launching the rest of the gun forwards around it.
Always interesting to see the difference between expectations and actual shooting of a gun. A link to the other PPS 43 video in the description would have been nice tough.
There is a semi-auto version called "PPS-43C" by Pioneer Arms (imported through I.O.Inc). It looks the part, only the stock is welded in folded position (because silly pistol definition).
I wonder if it would be a bit smoother with a slightly stiffer recoil spring, so the bolt wouldnt hit the back of the receiver as harshly... (and/or a better buffer pad)
I have a semi auto version with a folding stock I bought a couple of years ago. Alas. Because it has a standard barrel, the folding stock is spot welded closed, and it fires from a closed bolt. It's whiz bag for velocity and penetration with FMJ ammo. I imagine it'd be quite effective with 90-100 gr hollow points.
Soviet officers, scouts, tankmen, members of assault teams and guard troops during WW2 preferred PPS43 over PPSh because it was lighter and more compact. PPS43 with six loaded magazines weighed 6.72 kg which is lighter than PPSh with two loaded drum mags or Suomi with one loaded mag. PPS43 belongs to a different generation of smg that Suomi, mp28, Thompson and even PPSh. It is light, mass produced, cheap to manifacture and as effective as other expensive smgs. Arguably PPS43 and M3 Grease Gun are the best smgs of WW2.
I absolutely love this Polish SMG. Sure it might not be as refined as others of the time, or those to come but it served a good purpose for how easy it was to manufacture.
7.62 x39mm The best would most likely be either the german MP-40 or the Italian MAB 1938, both are accurate and well made, the Italian one is particularly high in quality. The PPS were awesome simply because of being controllable yet powerful and stupidly cheap and simple.
TheOtakuComrade Hate to go against the myth, but any objective appraisal, the MP-40 is pretty overrated and is in almost every respect inferior to the PPS-43. The PPS was more than a full 2 pounds lighter and used a double-stack double feed mag which is far better than the MP-40’s double stack single feed. The PPS-43’s chrome-lined bore gave it a longer service life, plus the ease, speed, and low expense of manufacture served as a very practical advantage in wartime.
Love it man keep up the good work, could you please try and look into the Steyr SSG '69, I know it's not exactly a forgotten weapon but it is one of the finest rifles I've ever got the chance to fire
I got my hands on a PPS-43 a few months ago, and I had more trouble from the smoke than the stalk, I had no idea that it would be as dirty of a gun as it really is. It spits a ton of smoke and debris. I honestly dont know why it was so dirty compared to the PPSH-41
Gun Jesus, I have two recommendations for interesting, but forgotten weapons : 1) Wolf Ultramatic. A rotating bolt, fixed slide and barrel target pistol. Chambered in 9mm Parabellum and. 40 s&w. Came in SV and LV variants. 2) The Mateba Unica Sei. I know it's been done to death, but as the pinnacle of the auto revolver concept, along with multi caliber support from factory, I believe it was ahead of its time.
It needs a stiffer spring. You can see in the slomo that the bolt is slamming back really hard against the receiver. You could fix this easily by just using a stiffer recoil spring. You don't want to make it too stiff, or it will fail to reach the sear, which will cause it to run away, but that can be avoided pretty easily. There is plenty of over-travel for the bolt past the sear. With the right spring, I bet this would be very controllable. I wouldn't be surprised if the spring is just worn out and long overdue for replacement.
Ah, solid stock; Problem solved for the main problem I had with the original soviet machine gun. Now, the main problem is the in-between fire rate which means that it's not slow or fast enough to be easy to shoot.
Interesting that this gun doesn't wobble around like a lot of guns do on the slow-mo. I wonder if that rigidity contributes to the "clatter" Ian talks about
While many Canadian gun owners would probably like to get their hands on these, the chances for most are virtually nil. Unless one is fortunate enough to have the *appropriate* Prohibited condition on their license, these will just be held by dealers like Marstar who have such licenses..and who continually tease the rest of us with videos showing lots of guns that we can never own...
Even with a prohibited licence, I dont think you are allowed to purchase prohibited weapons, AFAIK you can only get a prohibited firearm if it was on the will of a deceased person. Same thing applies for a prohibited firearms condition.
You CAN purchase but it depends on the Prohibited condition printed on your license. According to the RCMP website (which I'm referring to so I don't get this wrong), the example you provided would be a 12(7). Meaning you can own pre-1946 handguns that were passed onto you from a direct relative but no others. There are other conditions by which can be Grandfathered in, (Section 12 of the Firearms Act). Some of the conditions they list are as follows 12(2) for automatics, 12(3) for converted autos, 12(4) for firearms prohibited by former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 12 and 12(5) for Order No. 13..whatever those mean, I don't know. There's also 12(6) for Prohibited calibers like .25 and .32 and barrel lengths shorter than 105mm (approx 4.13 inches).
There you go. Another funny short stock from the continent. If your 198cm ( 6 foot 4) stock size helps a lot. Early pre WW1 303 had a longer stock nicer line than a no4 303. So might a decent chunk of stock here to absorb a bit more impact.
I'm guessing its the off axis recoil spring, even though the force is backwards the bolt will face more resistance on the side where the 'dual purpose' extractor spring retainer is. (referring to your pps 43video).
This Polish PPS-42/52 submachine gun would be an adequate weapon for combat for frontline troops carrying extra ammo or other bulky equipment or security type operations. The firer could train himself to shoot short three to five round bursts, reacquire the target, shoot another three or five round burst etc. I think the jumping around of this submachine would be much less of a factor with the training of shooting short bursts from it. These short bursts would conserve ammunition while making sure the shooter reacquired the target. So from my perspective these short bursts would make this submachine gun a good adequate weapon for combat. An adequate submachine gun that can be mass produced cheaply is far better than a nicer shooting Suomi at prohibitively expensive cost in terms of machining and manufacturing. A recoil buffer spring in this submachine gun could help too with managing the recoil.
I thought automatic firearms were explicitly prohibited in Canada? Either have them converted to semi or deactivated. Along with max magazine capacity, do the owners of marstar have a special license to be able to own an automatic weapon with a 5+ round magazine?
aldman ahhh i see. I too am in Canada. I got really excited for a second watching this lol. After looking into it it really sucks that they can no longer be grandfathered down. Only pistols. Canadian gun laws really irk me sometimes
aldman it is not true that you cannot fire prohibited weapons at a range, yoi can but that range needs a specific licence, and since prohibited licences are so rare, ranges are not willing to get that licence.
Nice shots-in both ways! Which camera did you use for those slowmo shots? It is not your usual ultra fast camera for faster cycling guns, right? HD footage looks very nice. And at which fps? Thanks FW, lov your channels!
I know I'm going to get hung out to dry for this, but are you guys sure the manual of arms / common use / common soldier method was even a modern cheek-weld, use the sights at all times, procedure? Huge numbers of questionable shooting stances, practices, and methods were seemingly the norm in the 1950's and 1960's between common folk & even in in militarizes) - and it's not like we had expert cheek-welders / sight-users in WWII, then all of a sudden lost all that to go through the mess that was the 50's, 60's and somewhat into the 70's with misconceptions and common practices. They very well may have been commonly using this weapon as a reflex weapon - perhaps some hip firing, but instead more of a higher firing (than the hip) stance without actually using the sights & cheek-weld we have ingrained into the shooting community since the 1980's. This would be especially so for city fighting. Soldiers *of that time* got used to their weapons, and while perhaps not AS accurate as cheek-welding, they were most likely very effective with other stances that worked for them. I'm just wondering if a tight-to-shoulder-cheek-weld-the-hell-out-of-it-pure-sights-reliance method is giving you the effect you guys had, where-as a looser and ... 'less operator' hold would mitigate the shakiness for reflex shooting.
PPS-43's even without the stock are very controllable, I could easily use this weapon without proper ADS, still firing from the "shoulder" to fairly good effect.
keith moore It's a good thing this is a more modern Polish variant and not the original Russian gun. If the poles didnt want the gun to be used like this, why did they bother putting a proper stock on it?
I'm thinking the stock might have been easier to outsource (wood crafting in a small shop compared to metal crafting means that the metal-crafters can go faster with the actual firearm part, *OR* ... as it is a paddle-width of a stock, sort of wedge it between the arm and torso for - again - reflex shooting and 'bullet hose' doctrine as keith put it.
Is the main spring on that gun a bit tired? Watching the slow-mo, it's obvious that the largest recoil pulse is when the bolt hits the receiver. Maybe a new (stiffer) spring would make it a better gun to shoot?
Any reason not to move that rear sight back farther for a better sight radius? It looks like there's a little "hump" in the receiver stamping for it that they would have had to move, and I guess they'd have to come up with a new rear sight notch size, but those seem like relatively easy problems to solve.
Please add Polish subtitles to all videos about weapons from World War II because we Poles, we love weapons from that period, in every barn from the time of occupation there is a weapon for the "wrong hour". And as you know, our nation is the best nation regarding conspiracy and partizants :) For sure it will increase your reach, because with us not everyone knows English, I'm talking about older people who are happy to meet friends from overseas about historical weapons :)
When my father was in the army in 1978, three companies were ordered to shoot at the range of 50 meters using this gun. None of soldiers hit the target that day, even with a single bullet. This weapon was nicknamed "The Sprayer".
I would expect the Suomi to be a lot more controllable ... isn't it significantly heavier than the PPS 43 (with or without wooden stock)? 6-7 lbs vs 10+ lbs ??
Small Czech firearms manufacturer Greatgun (greatgun.eu) is making closed bolt semiautoconversions of these (either with wood or folding stock) and includes a spare 9mm barrel (everything esle is the same). So they are avaliable in semi auto :-)
It would help if you showed the spread. It may well be that a certain spread is desireable for a submachine gun. Especially one that fires as rapidly as the PPSH do.
Hey Ian, I've a question about your older videos, about the Mondragon Rifles. I'm wondering if they are greased/lubricated with swiss "Waffenfett", considering that they were made by SIG Neuhausen. I'd also like to know if they've the same bayonet lug as the Schmidt-Rubins/K31's. I'm eagerly awaiting your answer, I'd love to know. Oh, and great video as always!
Project Zen from what a know the k31 bayonet lug style is actually the k11 and g11 bayonet lug. You can use a the 1911 pioneer bayonets on the k31. The pioneer bayonets are cool but expensive. I don't know when the grease was produced but it's tradition to grease your rifle when it's warm after shooting it. If you have a Facebook account join the Swiss rifles group there are over 1.5k members and many from Switzerland and/or study/learn about the Swiss rifles. Hope that's helps.
Heh, I already know that, I own a K31, K11, and a 96/11, furthermore I've the 1889 Bayonet, 2x 1918 one and one 1914 Pioneer Bayonet. But I was just wondering if any would fit on the Mondragons. And if the Mondragons were greased/maintained with Waffenfett. Guess I'll email him some day.
I'm sure someone has mentioned this already, but Atlantic firearms does have a semi auto pistol variant of this (they just fixed the folding stock to the receiver so it doesn't unfold. I'm sure not hard to change once you form 1 it, but you can just buy it as a pistol. I've been thinking about getting one myself pretty soon
It's nice to have an accurate feedback of the felt recoil and of the controllability of the gun. How is the controllability of, let's say, a Sten mk2 compared to this gun ?
These guns were stored, well greased, till 1980' in the dungeons of the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs. You could have seen them, carried by the ZOMO (Motorised Squads of the People's Militia) chaps during the marshal law times. Though - probably - nobody was ever shot from these guns. The only substantial marshal law massacre (at the Wujek coal mine) was done by a panicking ZOMO platoon armed with PM63.
1980-1983 na wyposazeniu szkol podoficerskich Wojsk Obrony Wewnętrznych, Wojsk Obrony Terytorialnej, Batalionow Inzynieryjno Budowlanych, głównie jako broń szkoleniowa. Jako broń standartowa w Sluzbie Ochrony Koleji, Sluzbie Wiezienniczej.
In the slow mo footage you can see the first shot drives the bolt back fairly slowly, then subsequent shots its way more violent. Wonder why that is, I've noticed this with most machine guns. Remaining gas in the bore gives the next rounds gasses something to push on?
It just accumulated impulse from the bolt traveling very violently to the back and essentially kicking to the shoulder. It it had lesser fire rate it would be much more controllable.
Hey Ian this may seem like a stupid question but what makes a carbine a carbine? I’ve seen many different types of guns be called or designated as carbines, like I’ve seen semiautomatic pistols with stocks, bolt action rifles, marksman rifles, automatic rifles, assault rifles, DMRs, revolvers with very elongated barrels, converted handguns, etc. all be called carbines. But I don’t see much of a similarity between many of them.
Agree, I have both an original Soviet PPS-43 and a Polish PPS-43/52 with a wood-stock like this. The Polish one with the wood-stock is definitely more comfortable to hold. The Soviet folding-stock is very short and "wobbly".
Ian, it doesn’t look like it’s bouncing a whole lot to me. Of course, you’re shooting very short bursts, as you should. If you had the other gun, would you be firing longer bursts?
Great video. That gun was unknown to me. Have you done a video on the Swedish Karl Gustav SMG? Would love to see one. I think there were some copies made in the US as well.
Hans Thyme - I have the most thorough breakdown of one on my channel till Ian makes one. It is a parts kit I built into a semi-auto. I have videos for both forms.
i have notaced that that particular gun is like mine, the gun springs back harder on the second shot. tis a pain but if you only do 2 round groups its supprisingly accurate
Is it difficult to design a recoil spring that absorbs all the recoil without the bolt slamming the back of the receiver? It's interesting that this and the other one you shot, the recoil on the first shot is absorbed almost perfectly, then all subsequent shots slam the receiver. Or, if it's possible to design a recoil system that doesn't slam the receiver, is it simply not worth the effort on a low-buck stamped submachine gun?
I feel like gun manufacturers are leaving money on the table by not recreating many of these World War 2 weapons for people to own. German Sport Guns made a recreation of the MP40 and that's pretty cool even though it has it's issues. The Thompson & PPSH should be no-brainers when it comes to recreations.
The original Soviet Sudaev was created in besieged and blinded by the Nazis Leningrad for its defenders. Very easy to manufacture and not expensive, while lightweight, reliable and with good combat qualities. He had no wooden stock; there was little wood in the city. He had a folding metal butt.
I guess if you're in the middle of a particularly harsh Eastern European winter and wearing all the clothes you own, you probably don't notice the recoil all that much.
this is my weapon, I served 84/86 in a pontoon regiment, I was shocked when I was given it, the political officer claimed that it was a good weapon tested on the rubble of Berlin hehe
Greetings from Poland
Yeah, in '84 one could expect an AK
@@MBkufel Yeah, but also nope. A lot of Polish support units, including pontoon and engineer regiments used the PPS-43 all the way into the late 80s. Regular infantry would probably use the AKMS though.
Eh, that's not tha bad, right? My dad was recalled into a refresher exercise up here in Sweden in the 1980's. He was given a day's course on how to bandage wounded, given an SMG (Carl Gustaf m/45), and placed in a unit of other middle-aged men armed with water-cooled machine guns and a gun from 1907 and they were tasked with holding a bridge.
Well, the Greasy M3 kept serving until the recent Gulf war with some tank crews, so I guess that kind of stuff weren't that bad back then.
I also had one in the 80's,it had foldable stock and was made in 1955 or 56 ,so not all the facts in video are clear (not to mention he said 42 by mistake).
If I know the Poles, they choose the wood stock because it looks good.
But… It does look good.
It does improve the performance and it does look excellent with that wooden stock.
Well It is Idea of Polish Constructors who missed a wooden stock. However, many people don't like it. As a Pole, I think that it is ugly and not practical
Nope, Poles were thinking by adding PPSh stock to a PPS they will make more accurate gun, than PPS, and cheaper, than PPSh.
@me Me Come on! We're talking about country, that couldn't even make PL-01 tank and keeps buying non-functional F16s (EDIT: and F35s), because USA is Poland's "bff"
looks like a PPS that wanted to be a STG-44
jajajaja
More like the STG - 44 wanted to be PPS.
I was thinking the same, but it's actually a PPSh-41 type stock. But I don't understand why it has a pistol grip. I have one myself and that pistol grip has no function whatsoever. It's comfortable to hold while you press the button that opens the gun, but that's it. That might be the reason they added it, but I really don't know.
@@gamergrill4933 What are You writing about?! This is 1950's weapon!
It looks like a PPS with a wooden stock added onto it
It will never stop amazing me just how much things flex in slow motion. I understand the physics behind it, but to actually see it is pretty damn cool.
At 0:27, when Ian says the "until 1942", he probably means "until 1952".
Charles Hoffmann I was assuming the same thing. Even the sneaky Poles probably weren’t producing it under licensed copy before it was even made. Lol
In name PPS 43/52 that 52 refers to year of modification.
Or under German occupation... of the factory. And country.
@@the_astrokhan Well we actually did manufacture some guns for the resistance under ocupation. Mostly STENs though.
@@mancubwwa Sorry bud, but I was answering a rather stupid comment about Poles not being able to make guns that magically got deleted...
Wish the PPs-43 and PPd-40 would get more screentime in WW2 video games. The PPsh is gorgeous but i wish every WW2 game didnt have only the well known guns
Red Orchestra 2 has the PPS-42, predecessor to the PPS-43. Days of War has both the PPS-43 and PPD-40. But "nobody" plays that game. There is bots though. Red Orchestra 2 still has a very active community.
You are mixing the name shenanigans - its PPS, PPD, PPSh
h in PPSh is small, becose its connected to s forming sh sound from creators name Shpagin
The gun actually seems pretty solid in the slow motion. The bolt slamming back looks like it’s is what caused it to feel uncontrollable.
It’s that hot ammo. The bolt slamming to the back of the receiver is causing the bouncing around. Rounds not as hot won’t propel the bolt back as much. A little extra spring pressure and maybe more pad than what’s there would probably make this gun outstanding.
I really like the captions during the firing.
I hate to seem pretentious, Ian. But according to Polish battle doctrine, all soldiers are to yell "kurwaaaaaa" for the duration of any sustained or automatic fire.
The multitool curse word for your language.
And in any other combat or non-combat situation. Civilians must shout "kurwa" randomly too.
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Y'all wrong. This is the only acceptable thing to yell, while going full auto th-cam.com/video/jQMzfQxkXVY/w-d-xo.html
Ahhh...as you run out off breath a break in firing. A ammo conservation chant lol
In the slowmo shots, you can see that the problem Ian was describing is because the bolt is so much heavier than the rest of the gun. When a round is fired, you actually see the gun _pull forward_ because the bolt moving backwards is launching the rest of the gun forwards around it.
Your "slow-mo" guy is using spent cartridge casings as ear plugs .... love it !!
Thanks Ian, you always do a great job.
Always interesting to see the difference between expectations and actual shooting of a gun. A link to the other PPS 43 video in the description would have been nice tough.
Great subtitles for the shooting part!
Always excited for the videos that come right after the auctions always a great change of pace and right back to the upcoming premier auction guns!
There is a semi-auto version called "PPS-43C" by Pioneer Arms (imported through I.O.Inc). It looks the part, only the stock is welded in folded position (because silly pistol definition).
It's a little "unfair" to compare PPS with Suomi. PPS is on the "compact" side, and the Suomi is definitely a bulky one.
It's supposed to be a copy of the suomi.
@@Jarris2 ... Comparing it to a "Suomi" is like comparing a biplane to a spaceship
@@Jarris2 Yeah, because every russian SMG is supposed to be a copy of the suomi, isn't it?
yeah the suomi is literally a light machine gun sized firearm that shoots 9mm
@@Jarris2 what a baseless and nonsensensical statement
I wonder if it would be a bit smoother with a slightly stiffer recoil spring, so the bolt wouldnt hit the back of the receiver as harshly... (and/or a better buffer pad)
Roger Wennström. Those were my thoughts exactly!
Roger Wennström - Then the bolt would just hit home more harshly which is worst for accuracy.
How about a progressive mainspring or a buffer spring for the last inch or so?
Should help :)
... I guess that if it cost any extra zloty/groszy then it wasnt worth it... :-/
@Rcbif: no, with a stiffer spring, the bolt should slow down more and hit home less harshly.
all that smoke pouring from every opening makes it so cinematic, like a gun in a movie.
I have a semi auto version with a folding stock I bought a couple of years ago. Alas. Because it has a standard barrel, the folding stock is spot welded closed, and it fires from a closed bolt. It's whiz bag for velocity and penetration with FMJ ammo. I imagine it'd be quite effective with 90-100 gr hollow points.
Soviet officers, scouts, tankmen, members of assault teams and guard troops during WW2 preferred PPS43 over PPSh because it was lighter and more compact. PPS43 with six loaded magazines weighed 6.72 kg which is lighter than PPSh with two loaded drum mags or Suomi with one loaded mag. PPS43 belongs to a different generation of smg that Suomi, mp28, Thompson and even PPSh. It is light, mass produced, cheap to manifacture and as effective as other expensive smgs. Arguably PPS43 and M3 Grease Gun are the best smgs of WW2.
Good job! Greetings from Poland :)
Very nice! Nice weather up there!
It is worth turning on the closed captions for this one, the Bang Bang Bang is worth the read.
Ian, on behalf of the Polish community, thank you!
for what?
toilet plunger for a sidearm
Umm, you know... For making a video perhaps?
Olson323 for contributing such an amazing content you doofus
Czy znasz taki sekret, że nie musisz włazić w dupę każdemu kto wspomni Polskę w internecie?
I always love your shooting videos. Especially full auto guns :)
I like the wood stock :) Thanks for sharing it with us!
For being made of stamped sheet metal, that gun is remarkably solid. No flex or body-shake to it at all.
I like the way this gun sounds.
Hot sunny Canadian February confirmed. We've been conning the world for years.
I absolutely love this Polish SMG. Sure it might not be as refined as others of the time, or those to come but it served a good purpose for how easy it was to manufacture.
PPS was the best SMG of ww2, both from a design and manufacturing point.
7.62 x39mm
The best would most likely be either the german MP-40 or the Italian MAB 1938, both are accurate and well made, the Italian one is particularly high in quality.
The PPS were awesome simply because of being controllable yet powerful and stupidly cheap and simple.
To be honest it's soviet, not polish.
TheOtakuComrade Hate to go against the myth, but any objective appraisal, the MP-40 is pretty overrated and is in almost every respect inferior to the PPS-43. The PPS was more than a full 2 pounds lighter and used a double-stack double feed mag which is far better than the MP-40’s double stack single feed. The PPS-43’s chrome-lined bore gave it a longer service life, plus the ease, speed, and low expense of manufacture served as a very practical advantage in wartime.
hobofactory
Well, at least you proved your point.
Blyskawica SMG or Wz. 35 anti-tank rifle?
Replicas?
Please God.
Błyskawica durniu
@@niepowiem8457 to nie Polak, durniu
@@niepowiem8457 to nie polak xdd
And the Bechowiec 🇵🇱
Fascinating to see how it's easy to snap off single shots or short bursts with this full auto only weapon.
Love how the subtitles just say "bang bang bang bang bang"
The closed captioning while he is shooting is hilarious. 1:24
Dudeweed has a rage induced mini stroke every time Ian visits Marstar
Thank you Ian!
Love it man keep up the good work, could you please try and look into the Steyr SSG '69, I know it's not exactly a forgotten weapon but it is one of the finest rifles I've ever got the chance to fire
I got my hands on a PPS-43 a few months ago, and I had more trouble from the smoke than the stalk, I had no idea that it would be as dirty of a gun as it really is. It spits a ton of smoke and debris. I honestly dont know why it was so dirty compared to the PPSH-41
Storage grease?
Gun Jesus, I have two recommendations for interesting, but forgotten weapons :
1) Wolf Ultramatic. A rotating bolt, fixed slide and barrel target pistol. Chambered in 9mm Parabellum and. 40 s&w. Came in SV and LV variants.
2) The Mateba Unica Sei. I know it's been done to death, but as the pinnacle of the auto revolver concept, along with multi caliber support from factory, I believe it was ahead of its time.
the bang bang bang in the subtitles XD 1:38
It needs a stiffer spring. You can see in the slomo that the bolt is slamming back really hard against the receiver. You could fix this easily by just using a stiffer recoil spring. You don't want to make it too stiff, or it will fail to reach the sear, which will cause it to run away, but that can be avoided pretty easily. There is plenty of over-travel for the bolt past the sear. With the right spring, I bet this would be very controllable. I wouldn't be surprised if the spring is just worn out and long overdue for replacement.
Ah, solid stock; Problem solved for the main problem I had with the original soviet machine gun. Now, the main problem is the in-between fire rate which means that it's not slow or fast enough to be easy to shoot.
Interesting that this gun doesn't wobble around like a lot of guns do on the slow-mo. I wonder if that rigidity contributes to the "clatter" Ian talks about
Oh I shot this gun in Poland but the fold stock version, even thou it,s quite a pleasure to shoot :)
While many Canadian gun owners would probably like to get their hands on these, the chances for most are virtually nil. Unless one is fortunate enough to have the *appropriate* Prohibited condition on their license, these will just be held by dealers like Marstar who have such licenses..and who continually tease the rest of us with videos showing lots of guns that we can never own...
Even with a prohibited licence, I dont think you are allowed to purchase prohibited weapons, AFAIK you can only get a prohibited firearm if it was on the will of a deceased person. Same thing applies for a prohibited firearms condition.
You CAN purchase but it depends on the Prohibited condition printed on your license. According to the RCMP website (which I'm referring to so I don't get this wrong), the example you provided would be a 12(7). Meaning you can own pre-1946 handguns that were passed onto you from a direct relative but no others. There are other conditions by which can be Grandfathered in, (Section 12 of the Firearms Act). Some of the conditions they list are as follows 12(2) for automatics, 12(3) for converted autos, 12(4) for firearms prohibited by former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 12 and 12(5) for Order No. 13..whatever those mean, I don't know. There's also 12(6) for Prohibited calibers like .25 and .32 and barrel lengths shorter than 105mm (approx 4.13 inches).
There you go. Another funny short stock from the continent. If your 198cm ( 6 foot 4) stock size helps a lot. Early pre WW1 303 had a longer stock nicer line than a no4 303. So might a decent chunk of stock here to absorb a bit more impact.
I'm guessing its the off axis recoil spring, even though the force is backwards the bolt will face more resistance on the side where the 'dual purpose' extractor spring retainer is. (referring to your pps 43video).
What powder is that loaded with? Good lord it looks like a black powder sub machine gun
Greg M a civil war era smg
Seeing how it's Marstar, probably some Tokarev rounds leftover from WWII.
Its not loaded with powder, its loaded with nazis ashes
If it's loaded with black powder, wouldn't it legally be an antique weapon?
I love the pps 43
This Polish PPS-42/52 submachine gun would be an adequate weapon for combat for frontline troops carrying extra ammo or other bulky equipment or security type operations. The firer could train himself to shoot short three to five round bursts, reacquire the target, shoot another three or five round burst etc. I think the jumping around of this submachine would be much less of a factor with the training of shooting short bursts from it. These short bursts would conserve ammunition while making sure the shooter reacquired the target. So from my perspective these short bursts would make this submachine gun a good adequate weapon for combat. An adequate submachine gun that can be mass produced cheaply is far better than a nicer shooting Suomi at prohibitively expensive cost in terms of machining and manufacturing. A recoil buffer spring in this submachine gun could help too with managing the recoil.
Wow that thing creates a lot of smoke but still looks fun.
Surprisingly nice weather for mid February in Canada.
I assume all videos were all filmed last summer, he visited marstar around then
I thought automatic firearms were explicitly prohibited in Canada? Either have them converted to semi or deactivated. Along with max magazine capacity, do the owners of marstar have a special license to be able to own an automatic weapon with a 5+ round magazine?
aldman ahhh i see. I too am in Canada. I got really excited for a second watching this lol. After looking into it it really sucks that they can no longer be grandfathered down. Only pistols. Canadian gun laws really irk me sometimes
aldman it is not true that you cannot fire prohibited weapons at a range, yoi can but that range needs a specific licence, and since prohibited licences are so rare, ranges are not willing to get that licence.
Nice shots-in both ways! Which camera did you use for those slowmo shots? It is not your usual ultra fast camera for faster cycling guns, right? HD footage looks very nice. And at which fps? Thanks FW, lov your channels!
I know I'm going to get hung out to dry for this, but are you guys sure the manual of arms / common use / common soldier method was even a modern cheek-weld, use the sights at all times, procedure? Huge numbers of questionable shooting stances, practices, and methods were seemingly the norm in the 1950's and 1960's between common folk & even in in militarizes) - and it's not like we had expert cheek-welders / sight-users in WWII, then all of a sudden lost all that to go through the mess that was the 50's, 60's and somewhat into the 70's with misconceptions and common practices. They very well may have been commonly using this weapon as a reflex weapon - perhaps some hip firing, but instead more of a higher firing (than the hip) stance without actually using the sights & cheek-weld we have ingrained into the shooting community since the 1980's. This would be especially so for city fighting. Soldiers *of that time* got used to their weapons, and while perhaps not AS accurate as cheek-welding, they were most likely very effective with other stances that worked for them. I'm just wondering if a tight-to-shoulder-cheek-weld-the-hell-out-of-it-pure-sights-reliance method is giving you the effect you guys had, where-as a looser and ... 'less operator' hold would mitigate the shakiness for reflex shooting.
PPS-43's even without the stock are very controllable, I could easily use this weapon without proper ADS, still firing from the "shoulder" to fairly good effect.
Mambo Dave you make a good point!
keith moore It's a good thing this is a more modern Polish variant and not the original Russian gun. If the poles didnt want the gun to be used like this, why did they bother putting a proper stock on it?
Thank you, Keith.
I'm thinking the stock might have been easier to outsource (wood crafting in a small shop compared to metal crafting means that the metal-crafters can go faster with the actual firearm part, *OR* ... as it is a paddle-width of a stock, sort of wedge it between the arm and torso for - again - reflex shooting and 'bullet hose' doctrine as keith put it.
Is the main spring on that gun a bit tired? Watching the slow-mo, it's obvious that the largest recoil pulse is when the bolt hits the receiver. Maybe a new (stiffer) spring would make it a better gun to shoot?
Any reason not to move that rear sight back farther for a better sight radius? It looks like there's a little "hump" in the receiver stamping for it that they would have had to move, and I guess they'd have to come up with a new rear sight notch size, but those seem like relatively easy problems to solve.
pps basicly ppsh but without the h
Yo hear me out... A FOLDING wooden buttstock that folds to the side. Oh wait...
Please add Polish subtitles to all videos about weapons from World War II because we Poles, we love weapons from that period, in every barn from the time of occupation there is a weapon for the "wrong hour". And as you know, our nation is the best nation regarding conspiracy and partizants :) For sure it will increase your reach, because with us not everyone knows English, I'm talking about older people who are happy to meet friends from overseas about historical weapons :)
I been wanting one of these for awhile
When my father was in the army in 1978, three companies were ordered to shoot at the range of 50 meters using this gun. None of soldiers hit the target that day, even with a single bullet. This weapon was nicknamed "The Sprayer".
Who tf care?
I love that the caption is "bang bang bang bang bang bang"
I would expect the Suomi to be a lot more controllable ... isn't it significantly heavier than the PPS 43 (with or without wooden stock)? 6-7 lbs vs 10+ lbs ??
What was used more the PPSH 41? Or this. Is it a cheaper version? It’s very interesting.
The PPSh was used more during WWII, the PPS did not fully replace it until after the war.
greet from Poland!
Small Czech firearms manufacturer Greatgun (greatgun.eu) is making closed bolt semiautoconversions of these (either with wood or folding stock) and includes a spare 9mm barrel (everything esle is the same). So they are avaliable in semi auto :-)
It would help if you showed the spread. It may well be that a certain spread is desireable for a submachine gun. Especially one that fires as rapidly as the PPSH do.
Pozdrowienia z Polski
Hey Ian, I've a question about your older videos, about the Mondragon Rifles. I'm wondering if they are greased/lubricated with swiss "Waffenfett", considering that they were made by SIG Neuhausen. I'd also like to know if they've the same bayonet lug as the Schmidt-Rubins/K31's. I'm eagerly awaiting your answer, I'd love to know. Oh, and great video as always!
It might help to post in the video you are talking about, just for context
Doesn't really need context, it's just a general question about those rifles.
I would imagine you'd get a better response emailing him?
Project Zen from what a know the k31 bayonet lug style is actually the k11 and g11 bayonet lug. You can use a the 1911 pioneer bayonets on the k31. The pioneer bayonets are cool but expensive. I don't know when the grease was produced but it's tradition to grease your rifle when it's warm after shooting it. If you have a Facebook account join the Swiss rifles group there are over 1.5k members and many from Switzerland and/or study/learn about the Swiss rifles. Hope that's helps.
Heh, I already know that, I own a K31, K11, and a 96/11, furthermore I've the 1889 Bayonet, 2x 1918 one and one 1914 Pioneer Bayonet. But I was just wondering if any would fit on the Mondragons. And if the Mondragons were greased/maintained with Waffenfett. Guess I'll email him some day.
Finns have made their own version of PPS 43 - KP m/44!
A nasty little killing machine. Looks reliable as hell.
I'm sure someone has mentioned this already, but Atlantic firearms does have a semi auto pistol variant of this (they just fixed the folding stock to the receiver so it doesn't unfold. I'm sure not hard to change once you form 1 it, but you can just buy it as a pistol. I've been thinking about getting one myself pretty soon
Jukka B - those are fugly. They spliced on old nose sections to new recievers resulting in a big bulge in front if the magwell.
Ah, well in terms of the civilian market it may be the closest variant available for the time being :/
That I'm aware of at least
Since you ve been at Marstar a couple of times now, waybe it's time they let you have a go at their PTRD41. You think that would be possible?
This is a really long SMG. It's like, rifle length but without the rifle length barrel
It's nice to have an accurate feedback of the felt recoil and of the controllability of the gun. How is the controllability of, let's say, a Sten mk2 compared to this gun ?
These guns were stored, well greased, till 1980' in the dungeons of the Polish Ministry of Internal Affairs. You could have seen them, carried by the ZOMO (Motorised Squads of the People's Militia) chaps during the marshal law times.
Though - probably - nobody was ever shot from these guns. The only substantial marshal law massacre (at the Wujek coal mine) was done by a panicking ZOMO platoon armed with PM63.
1980-1983 na wyposazeniu szkol podoficerskich Wojsk Obrony Wewnętrznych, Wojsk Obrony Terytorialnej, Batalionow Inzynieryjno Budowlanych, głównie jako broń szkoleniowa. Jako broń standartowa w Sluzbie Ochrony Koleji, Sluzbie Wiezienniczej.
In the slow mo footage you can see the first shot drives the bolt back fairly slowly, then subsequent shots its way more violent. Wonder why that is, I've noticed this with most machine guns. Remaining gas in the bore gives the next rounds gasses something to push on?
It just accumulated impulse from the bolt traveling very violently to the back and essentially kicking to the shoulder. It it had lesser fire rate it would be much more controllable.
Hey Ian this may seem like a stupid question but what makes a carbine a carbine? I’ve seen many different types of guns be called or designated as carbines, like I’ve seen semiautomatic pistols with stocks, bolt action rifles, marksman rifles, automatic rifles, assault rifles, DMRs, revolvers with very elongated barrels, converted handguns, etc. all be called carbines. But I don’t see much of a similarity between many of them.
Having held but never shot a PPS 43 before, it makes sense to change the stock. Those two prongs are really uncomfortable to shoulder.
Agree, I have both an original Soviet PPS-43 and a Polish PPS-43/52 with a wood-stock like this. The Polish one with the wood-stock is definitely more comfortable to hold. The Soviet folding-stock is very short and "wobbly".
4:58...well, "ya can't please EVERYBODY!!"
I find it interesting the first 2 shots are pretty slow before it goes to 600 rpm. I wonder if it's intention to make single shots easier.
VSS vintorez or AS val? PLS
Ian, it doesn’t look like it’s bouncing a whole lot to me. Of course, you’re shooting very short bursts, as you should. If you had the other gun, would you be firing longer bursts?
How did Marastar have this I wonder in Canada? I thought full auto were totally illegal
It's clearly warmer today in Ontario (where Marstar is located) than in Nova Scotia (where I am located). :-)
maybe the spring or buffer in it grew weaker over the years? would a stronger spring help reduce clattering?
the gunfire captions lmao
The PPS43 may be ugly as sin, but I'd still prefer it to any other period smg for its sheer reliability.
It looks like it could use a little additional buffering
the smg has a bad compensation. notice 1:42, the bolt handle hard hits the receiver at the back point .
A link to the previous video would be nice.
Looks like a warm February day in Canada 🇨🇦
Great video. That gun was unknown to me. Have you done a video on the Swedish Karl Gustav SMG? Would love to see one. I think there were some copies made in the US as well.
Hans Thyme - I have the most thorough breakdown of one on my channel till Ian makes one. It is a parts kit I built into a semi-auto. I have videos for both forms.
If you turn on the subtitles it will actually sub in the bangs from the gun
i have notaced that that particular gun is like mine, the gun springs back harder on the second shot. tis a pain but if you only do 2 round groups its supprisingly accurate
Is it difficult to design a recoil spring that absorbs all the recoil without the bolt slamming the back of the receiver? It's interesting that this and the other one you shot, the recoil on the first shot is absorbed almost perfectly, then all subsequent shots slam the receiver.
Or, if it's possible to design a recoil system that doesn't slam the receiver, is it simply not worth the effort on a low-buck stamped submachine gun?
I feel like gun manufacturers are leaving money on the table by not recreating many of these World War 2 weapons for people to own.
German Sport Guns made a recreation of the MP40 and that's pretty cool even though it has it's issues.
The Thompson & PPSH should be no-brainers when it comes to recreations.
The original Soviet Sudaev was created in besieged and blinded by the Nazis Leningrad for its defenders. Very easy to manufacture and not expensive, while lightweight, reliable and with good combat qualities. He had no wooden stock; there was little wood in the city. He had a folding metal butt.
I guess if you're in the middle of a particularly harsh Eastern European winter and wearing all the clothes you own, you probably don't notice the recoil all that much.