Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 Review - Get Them While Supplies Last!
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- Today I give my thoughts on the Wharfedale Diamond 11.2 speaker soon to be gone. At $199 this is a strong buy
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That's an amazing price for those speakers, it's a great time for people getting into audio, you can put together a great sounding system and not go broke doing it. Another great review
Thanks for reviewing these. There's so little out there on these speakers. I bought them two weeks ago when I saw the sale price to evaluate along with a few other pairs of speakers. I was looking for some validation that they did sound good. I haven't owned decent speakers for about 15 years. My reference point recently has mostly been several pairs of cheap tws earbuds, so any speaker is likely to wow me in comparison. I'm replacing the tiny sounding, but wife approving aesthetics, Orb Audio speakers that replaced my large three-way floor standers around the time I got married and was encouraged to find something not so visible.
I was thinking these sounded on par to the Polk S55s (when both are crossed over at 80Hz with a sub) I'm also testing out (and which my wife has said are too big) which seems in line with your comment on the S20s in comparison. Maybe I'm not so crazy thinking so and can actually trust my ears. Watching movies with them last night, I was getting great imaging and depth. Based on you, I was thinking of busting my budget and trying the Elac References. I'm feeling safe with the Wharfdales now, staying cheap and getting bang for the buck (plus the white ones blend in well with the wife's decor). I do have the Q150s showing up tomorrow. I was also looking at the RSL CG5s which are on 'blemish' sale for $250 each ($500 a pair). I'm tempted to try the Emotiva's, but a bit worried about return shipping if I don't choose them (or if my wife calls them too ugly). At $229, if I need to spend $50 to return them, I'd almost be better off keeping them.
You started this channel at just the right time for me. I appreciate your approach to reviews and target price range. You're listening to music I enjoy and can use as a reference point to see if I appreciate the same things when I listen to a speaker and trust your preferences as a match to mine. I enjoy how you go from babbling one moment to an insightful comment that describes what you're hearing without needing to be an expert at audiophile-speak. Thanks to you, I can actually understand some of what other reviewers say now. You've been a refreshing change from the other reviewers. I think there are a lot of us out there looking for good sound for less than a riding lawn mower. Thanks for being a guy just talking about speakers in that range with a sense of humor and not taking himself too seriously while doing so.
Really appreciate the kind words. These are one of the best values I've taken a look at with them onsale for $199 on amazon. A speaker that can hang with the Debut Reference at a third of the price.
@bryan how does it compare with the q150?
Really cool that you pinpoint what you expect to hear in the songs that you used in your evaluation. Really helpful for anyone who's trying to evaluate their own speakers. Keep that detail on further reviews.
My man, today is the eighth day of my experience with the Wharfedale Diamond 11.2's. I have done some things with them such as toeing them in, angling them up by about an inch, as well as making some equalizer adjustments on my receiver. Today I was listening to Miles Davis' "All Blues" and it was beautiful; it almost rocked me to sleep as I listened to the nuanced piano strokes and the brushes sliding across the skin of the drums. These speakers are just a little better than my Polk RTI A3's, and I don't make that claim lightly. I love my Polk's but these things are serious. I don't hear any sibilance, they don't tire me out, and I look forward to listening to them everyday. They are the perfect mix of warm (like a heating pad on the back of the neck at just the right setting). Last night, I put the covers on for the first time, and I must say that the imaging, sound stage, and overall performance of the speakers actually improved significantly. I won't be returning these! :)
After all that and you sold your 11.2s
@@AbsoluteFidelity I returned them because I discovered the bass drivers were defective. Above certain volumes they would pop or slap, and that is not something I got from any of my speakers before or since. Nice speakers but I got a defective pair so I decided to go back to ELAC.
@@MelanicWarrior is it just your particular unit or it happens to every 11.2? Ever found out what caused it?
@@AbsoluteFidelity Probably my specific speakers only.
"look for the toilet, we're inside" 😂
I think he's really found his stride. LOL!
@@adamarmstrong3991 "This stuff doesn't come cheap"...LOL!
It's a real commercial.
I have the original version of this speaker(with the foam surrounds). They definitely need a larger room and space to breathe, or the bass will take over. Heavy, 24" stands will help, and placement at least 2 feet from the back wall(4 to 5 feet is ideal). They actually behave more like a floor standing speaker, I believe their spec sheet states low frequency extension down to 40Hz. I stopped using them because of this, as my living room is only 14x15.
I ended up getting a pair of PSB Alpha B1's, which are still available on closeout for $200(Audio Advisor). Great speaker for the price--as your tag line says, get them while supplies last! Love your reviews, and your dry wit--keep 'em coming.
Lol love the humor. Got my 600M's coming on Tuesday thanks to your recommendation
@@rc6717 from my understanding his changes to the speaker brings more clarity and possibly enhances the high frequencies. Could make the treble even more revealing, maybe not in a pleasing way 🤷♂️
How do you like them?
Randy, I got my 11.2s today. Breaking them in, but stunning for $212
Thanks for the heads-up
Glad you like them. I'm kind of missing mine already but they've gone a better home so we can find the next deal of the century
I use a pair of these speakers on my computer desk. I find them quite fun as they pump out a healthy amount of bass (at least compared to what they replaced .. Polk T15’s..) Absolutely love these speakers especially for the price. I’m thrilled. Great videos btw! You provide a very insightful perspective
Thanks for the heads up on these. I don't have the means to get what I want at this time in my life. I want to get a system back up and running and these will make a good start, just completed my order. Keep it up, love your way of looking at things.
Glad I could help
just bought the 11.2 and I realy love them! 😍
Once again another great video. I guarantee this channel is going to blow up pretty fast.
Couple of things for your channel if I could throw out some unsolicited advice. Feel free to ignore any of it.
I worry about your pace of releasing content. I worry about your ability to crank out quality content without you getting fatigued, AS WELL AS us consumers getting fatigued and losing interest as well. On top of all of that I worry about you being able to source speakers to keep up the pace you are at. You'll go broke even as the cheapaudioman! Personally I think that 1 to 2 videos per week is a good sweet spot.
Another thing that I would really like to see from you is a category on aesthetics/build quality. You have done some nice shootouts and there have been some speakers in the shootouts that were really close acoustically. I know that speakers are for audio, but when you have to live with a big wooden box in the home it IS something that we all have to consider, and it could be the tie breaker for a few of us out there.
Recommendations for a few more test tracks. Sabrina Claudio has some amazing stuff. She has the most smoky jazz/R&B vocals and her music has these dancing bass lines that are great for revealing speakers. Also are mastered very well. Same with the Singer/Songwriter LP. She has some amazing stuff that is mastered really well.
Praises. Among many things that you do well, you have a really good balance of content with humor sprinkled in. Many other channels that go that route tend to lean in too heavy on the humor and it just becomes chinsy. You have it pegged.
Anyway, great channel. Keep up the good work. I'll certainly be dropping by!
Thanks. I appreciate it. Good advise on the amount of videos released... cause I'm kind of out of speakers.
Isn't it great to have an audience that worries about you....guess I'm not as concerned as some or I would have alerted you to the potential for lead poisoning from the new coffee cup you picked up on vacation in Mexico. I am kinda bummed though cause now I have to go back to your earlier reviews to listen to the coffee drinking noises. Funny how so much pleasure can be derived from such a simple thing as mic placement.
Got my first listen with these. Impressed so far. Your review was spot on. I don't have enough hours on them yet but from what I've heard so far they are not offensive in any way. Quite impressed for $199. It is definitely a steal by far. Sounds like a speaker I could listen to all day. And that's coming from a pair of Buchardt S300's, Revel Concerta M16's and Klipsch RP-160's. I think I finally found a pair of Wharfies. Thanks for the review since I purchased these on a whim right before Christmas. Happy listening ✌️
I see the whites are back in stock and miss my pair. Think I'm going to pick up another set just to have them because I enjoy them so much.
@@cheapaudioman Would you say these are overall better than the Emotiva Airmotiv b1+'s?
Been hitting Amazon (seller accoustic designs) daily since missing out on this deal ... scored a pair today!! Persistence paid off. Great review. These will be rears in a 5.1 along with the wharfedale diamond 11.4 towers and cs.
Nice review. And if you can find the V1 with high performance foam and the WFR tweeter (now replaced with a simplified version) - definitely jump on it!
That foam was designed to fit that specific kevlar cone and work in unison, it has the longest throw on any mid/bass driver I ever owned, and I owned quite a few, including 3 previous Diamond series.
But Wharfedale succumbed to the Internet-induced stigma, from people who are still to this day comparing a foam surrounds from 60es and 70es to the new ones, which is made of completely different material. Hence the rubber on the D11 V2 speakers, was told this by the Wharfie distributor himself.
I got the foam ones and the different tweeter. Sounds very nice but can't compare to the other version.
@@s197mustangfan It's a keeper! Enjoy!
These are fantastic, just got them in White...a pair of 11.2's/ 11.cc LCR. I'm a legacy 12v guy by backround, have Bower's and Wilkins in my S90 now that i listen to daily. I have done various monster installs of Dynaudio, Focal's, Rainbow Audio, as well as DiY Scanspeak, Morel and Seas drivers...driven by beautiful Class A/B amplification Robert Zeff designs, as well as DLS, Arc Audio, TRU amps, Audisson Italian amplifiers...man i even had a tube preamp source at one point in my Nissan Maxima 15 yrs ago.Good ole days, great toys, then life happens...you have a mortgage and raising good kids are expensive. This is why Randy cheapaudioman's work is awesome and he's a great resource to many. Having not dumped a ton of money into my HT in many years outside a Klipsch Synergy and PSB Alphas, i bought these out of curiosity for a quality Brit bookshelf, and i will say i'm exceptionally pleased with the sound expression and tonal quality of the 11.2 bookshelves. This is a perfect example of a point of diminishing returns/splitting hairs speaker. You can spend $600, $1200 or $3600 on bookshelves that are simply marginally 'different', not any better and possibly worse in your conditions. Anyone that grabbed these for $200 and is feeding them from a nice 50-100w per ch amplifier is living the audiophile life. Enjoy the music brothers and sisters. Great channel Randy!
I loved them and hoping to pick up another pair in white. I sold my black ones to a viewer and am immediately missing them. They have something special about them.
Thanks!! Just placed my order. I’m really enjoying your reviews.
Update: Received these in perfect order yesterday and after hooking them up to my trusty Marantz Model 2216 started playing some Amazon Music HD....There was hardly any bass to be found so I let them play all night with the door closed. Sat down this afternoon and put on some of my favorite tracks and they sound unreal! A window into the recording. They disappear completely. The bass is FAST and there when called for. They play very loud without strain as well. A steal at $199. I've been swapping an old pair of JBL S38's and Paradign 5SEII's before these. No slouches but not as clear and don't image anything like these. Not even close. I can't thank you enough for the tip on these.
It’s shocking how I’ll be thinking of a speaker I’m interested in, and you have a review on that very speaker. Saw this video on my TH-cam feed right BEFORE I was going to look up the Diamonds on Crutchfield. Same thing happened with the ELACs B6.2’s as well.
Then, while listening to your review, I was wondering how the Diamonds would sound with Miles Davis....and seconds later you mention “Kinda Blue”. Wow.
Love the barstools idea for speaker stands....wish I had thought of that.
Now, I need to get to Al’s, as I really need a new plunger.
Al's will take care of you. Diamonds are the deal of the year at this price.
And even a broke watch is right twice a day...
I watched your review of these speakers last night and this morning I got up and found them on Amazon for $199 with a promised delivery date of today. I got them about 6:30 this evening, and after I moved my Polk RTi A3's to another position I hooked them up and let them run for a couple of hours. I must say that the bass is deeper and fuller and the separation is better, but the jury is definitely still out. Yet, for $199 for a brand that has been producing quality products for years, I figured I could not lose.They are paired to a Pioneer VSX-LX 104. So I am using my Polks as the surrounds (the Polks are replacing Pioneer BS-22's), the Pioneer floor speakers from my original system on the height, and the Diamonds as the fronts. They are beautiful speakers but the Polks are sexier. I will do a video soon to give my first impression.
Pull them out from the wall and that bass settles down a bit. I also think the treble come up a bit with some hours on them. I noticed mine got a bit brighter over time.
@@cheapaudioman Thank you for the reviews and for the reply. I am on my way downstairs to play with them for a little while. By the way, do you think that the source music is played from should be considered when reviewing speaker systems? What I mean is some songs (MP3’s) may not all have the same quality because they are compressed and loaded onto a flash drive; whereas a cd or album version may produce a different quality of sound. I was just wondering if you have noticed it. Thank you!
My goodness these are delightful speakers! 😃 As for vocals, immediately tested them with Chris Cornell's Prince cover of "Nothing Compares to you" and Adele's "When we were Young (Live at the Church Studios)", Charles Bradley's cover of Black Sabbath's "Changes" (check them out sometime!). Not only are the vocals really good the speakers center image and stage fairly well i found. This speaker does raw , soulful vocals, acoustic music with great articulation. Sound is cohesive, and always projects in the listening space as opposed draw attention to the speakers. I asked my son and wife where they hear the sound from eyes open and closed....I cracked up as I watched them walk over to the center channel to realize no sound was coming from it haha. In 2ch stereo without a sub they provide a quite nice full sound with surprisingly good bass and mids, with a desirable off axis response . I concur a sub is not required with these for 2ch listening and music auditioning. The 11.cc center is quite nice as well, watched The Mandalorian last night to test out the new LCR. Thanks for the rec Randy! Best high end purchase on a budget I've made in a long time. These are indeed a steal.
So glad you like them. I wish I still had mine for sure.
The oval box of sticks 😁😁 we pack our lunch.. Great channel !
One of my go to tracks for bass is Fleetwood Mac the Chain, bass should be sharp and visceral, for floorstanding speakers The Doors, Riders on the Storm ( remastered). The thunderstorm in the beginning makes my whole house shake.
I used to use a lot of tracks off Rumours before I started this channel just to test my personal speakers. Need to add that back into the rotation.
My man's got his coffee. You should be a comedian you're a funny guy.
My wife appreciates me talking into a camera and telling jokes to it more than her...
@@cheapaudioman no wife thinks her husband is funny.
@@khurram88 no truer statement has ever been uttered by man
If ever you need someone to fill in last minute, like due to illness or cancelled flight, maybe try Zach Galifinakis?
Ha. I'm sure that he's got the time to do this.
Thanks for review, I will maybe try these at some point
$75 worth of Amazon gift cards for Christmas.........ORDERED THESE IN WHITE!!!!!!! Soo excited! My wife is more than likely going to murder me in my sleep tho. Ha, ha! I don't know what or why I'm doing this. I really love the Sony SSC5's and haven't even broken them in yet. Happy New Year brother!
I knew you would like them, when i asked you to review them earlier 😉
I believe it's a Peter Comeau designed speaker, a highly regarded speaker designer. I tried the Quad S2 against my Focals on high end amplification but returned them as I got too flat a soundstage even though they were more transparent and resolving...and analytically dry. Great for movies but music wasn't as much to my liking, at least not for $900+tax. At $199, I can live with it but I think the 11.2s will do better. I can give up a bit of resolution and transparency for a more enjoyable music listening experience. Weird but there is the possibility that too much of a good thing can yield lessor results. Opinion, that is all.
@@votive3946 Quad S-2 also is his design which I tried but sent back. While the most resolving and transparent speaker I've had, it was too dry sounding with a flat soundstage in my room and equipment. Brighter amps gave it some help but the flatness remained. Interestingly enough, it's sound signature reminded me of Infinity R152 I briefly had in my system. Nothing wrong with that sound if that's what one prefers. I like my Focal Prestige Chorus while Tharbamer, another well regarded reviewer, didn't like the Focals sound and preferred the Quads, and Wharfedales, among others. As I guess it boils down to what we like.
I've yet to set up the 11.2s and if they sound good enough, maybe they'll go in a secondary system.
@@votive3946 Definitely not engaging. Even my Triangle Zetas were more engaging.
I played that intro on "More Human than Human" and yeah, I could hear the sound move around the room. Cool
amazing review.. i got them month ago and i love them. The only thing here where i live, they cost 490 euro...............thats a bummer cos i want another pair!!!!!
One of my favorite speakers of all time.
I really like how you explain your reasoning in these reviews. You give specific scenarios and explanations which is surprisingly something that people forget to do. I don't know if you're a subwoofer guy but if you are, you should do some reviews on those. I'm sure people would like to hear what you have to say.
I have one coming in
Hi Randy, I have heard almost every generation of the Diamond series by Wharfedale. Back in the day my friend had the original Diamond and at the time they were pretty darn good especially for their size. I have heard the Diamond 2nd ,3rd ,4th ,5th , 8th and 10th generations also own the 75th Anniversary 9.1. All of the above were a great value when on sale. The new 12 series intrigues me as they were designed by a new designer , Karl-Heinz Fink, he has changed the cone material from Kevlar which it has been for the last few versions, to a chalk/poly blend cone which ironically is closer to the original cone material used in the generation 1 to 4 in some ways. I don't think that is a phase plug but I might be wrong. Gently push on the bass driver, does the center of the speaker move with the cone? if so it's a dust cap which is attached to the cone but if only the cone moves and the center stays fixed it's a phase plug and it will be a solid chunk attached the pole piece of the magnet assembly. Starbucks Winter blend, 18% cream 1 tsp sugar here. Welcome to the Wharfedale family. Cheers
Yeah, it's just a cool looking dust cap. Great interview with Karl heinz Fink on the John Darko podcast. Was very interesting. He did a lot of work for Q accoustics as well.
Great review as usual. Warfdale confuses me. You have 11.1, 11.2 Diamond and 220, 225 Diamond, not sure the differences since the prices are similar
11.1 and 220 are 5.25” and 11.2 and 225 use 6.5”. I also have the 225’s. The 11.2 replaced the 225. They sound about the same, 11.2 maybe just have a little more bass.
I Love I'm on fire!
Always wanted a video where he's actually on fire.
Wish you had pointed out that the phase plug was "fake"! Thanks though.
Randy I bought these speakers and the Fosi amp based on your reviews. The Fosi amps... don't seem to be able to push these speakers... any other amp recommendation. Thanks love the channel. Keep up the great work.
did you get the bt20a? that should be able to drive them decently. I'd look at the smsl ad18 maybe. but I had no issue driving them with a 50 watt integrated amp from emotiva.
I appreciate the shoutout. Keep up the good work.
Great speakers! Got mine about 3 weeks ago............couldn't pass up $199/pair. Thanks for the intel, Randy!
2:35 It's the most life-like speaker. In the sense that humans are also bottom ported.
Aaaaaaaaaahh 😁🎅🍫
Wharfdale Diamond 11.2 vs Elac Debut B5.2... which is the better speaker? better value?
I don't know where your looking but in Australia it's impossible to find them under $700 (AUD). Love your stuff, keep it up
Regarding the Wharfedale 12 series, I believe that Wharfedale contracted with Karl-Heinz Fink who is the designer for Q-acoustics speakers as well as others. The material for the mid driver is polypropylene vs Kevlar on the 11.2s. How this all translates to final SQ I can't say but a speaker company usually tries things with incremental results. Polypropylene may be a cheaper alternative to Kevlar. While some say Kevlar is a preferred material over polypropylene for SQ, the new design is stated (as I recall) to have resolved that issue.
But for less than half the price, it was an easy decision. As to which looks better, they both look good but the curved sides on the 11.2s give it a sleeker appearance and is said to have some sound benefits. If they were to redesign the speakers using a curved cabinet and still use Kevlar maybe the price would have to been higher than $499. A comparison will now have to be done, yes?.
Thank you for your abilities to make audio fun! Looking forward to watching your shows and improving your capacity to grow! Your sponsorship advertisement needs work or some music? Music Test: Lou Reed's "Vicious", and find some more speakers!
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Hello there! Would you say these are better than the Elac Uni fi b5??? Great job as always!!! 👏
I feel like these are a bit bassier than the UB5's and the UB5's have a bit more top end than these.
Finally hooked up the speakers and gave them a first listen. Not broken in if that matters but a virgin voyage using Nick Cave's album No More Shall We Part. These seem to be a speaker that blends warmth( low to low mids) with some coolness in the upper mids thru lower treble with some rounding at the upper registers. Pretty much as expected but I was hoping for a bit more here and there. Not bad for a budget series which the Diamond series are. There's ample detail and a decent presentation at the up to $500 price point and a good value at the large but brief price reduction.
The good, its' lively enough with decent detail, at least on high end equipment. I may hook them up to my class D Aiyima (a bit warmer) which may help tame some of the shouty-ness which I think results from limitations of instrument and voice separation. I like when there is some space/depth between the sounds produced. It''s not totally a blend of sounds but the 11.2s don't display this as well as my Triangle Zetas and no where as well as my Focal 807s (expected). The Zetas are half the volume, use 5.25 in paper woofers and a titanium tweeter.
The Kevlar woofer and tweeter of the 11.2s hold back some of the realism my two sets of speakers are capable of given their overall tonality. The 11.2s have decent bass without sounding muddy but the bottom port pressurizes certain lower frequencies which make it sounds overemphasized and a bit loose, perhaps some chuffing. Tonality is OK for its' budget status but the Triangles and Focals do it better. Against the less expensive Focal 706 which I tried, I think the instrument separation is similar. Those Focals however give a bigger, taller soundstage but instruments sounded a bit stretched but also was more 3D like, so the 11.2s fit in this budget category. I don't get any real sense of a full 3Dness with the 11.2s but they aren't completely 2D, overly laidback speakers either. They are a more forward sounding speaker for British monitors, more so than the Wharfedale 225s which are a warmer presentation given my memory of them. Also, the 11.2s don't sound small but still have a decently sized soundstage, the Focal 706s were just very, very large.
The downward firing port produces some unnatural thumping but could be improved by raising the distance from the bottom of the speaker in relation to the bottom plate (see Tharbamer's procedure).
I may let these settle and try them for movies and see if the tonality, separation improves. I think the sound is competitive with others but not class leading but I havn't heard them all so can't say if they are better or worse among their peers. Against Dali Spector, Oberons, I prefer the Dalis though a bit more laid back, they don't shout like these do on some passages and the tonality is better. Which sound would I prefer given the 225s...I don't know but I might pick the 225s for a more relaxed listen (bedroom). Each has their strengths and limitations and do some things similarly and differ in others. As to my current speakers, if one had to go it would be the 11.2s.
I picked up two pairs in the event one was defective and that they would sell out before getting a swap. They did in fact sell out. While the drivers on the initial pair function, there is a marr on the finish of the outside of one speaker. So these will go back but I will let them burn in a bit to see if I want to keep the other pair sans an issue. Should never have gotten past QC so, anyone want to comment on their experience?
I listen to voice and piano rendition first to check tonality and on music I am familiar enough with to check detail retrieval and instrument separation, among other speaker qualities. These dig up decent amounts of detail but don't have quite the tonality and other qualities I am used to but these speakers still perform decently overall and were a bargain for there discounted price.
As to others' concerns on what Wharfedale did with replacing the drivers from their initial introduction, I cannot say if they kept the level of quality or if it's affected. I don't dislike them but haven't decided to keep them. If these were my first speakers I'd definitely be a happy camper. The marred finished ones will definitely go back but for now i will keep listening. I'll try them with Movies, shows as well.
Addendum:
Seem easy enough to drive, seemingly dynamic and voice via TV is good. Image is center focused. Might be a good desktop if spread out far enough.
Can you email me? My address in the "about" section. I have a question for you.
@@cheapaudioman done
My man, I really appreciate your videos and the honest reviews you do. Because of your reviews I made one of the best purchases that I have made in a long time. In fact, I will say that got a steal! This is my second full day with the Diamond 11.2’s, and I am absolutely impressed. They sound better than my Pioneer BS-22’s (no comparison really). They sound as good as my Polk RTi A3’s. The bass on these is a little deeper, the A3’s are a little deeper in some respects. I think the travel from left to right and vice-bersa is better on the Diamonds, and they soundstage a little better on some songs. The Polks handle more power and they may be a touch better in the midrange on some songs. But for $199 bucks there is no chance of my returning them, especially since I wanted to replace the Pioneers anyway. I am now using the Pioneer Floor units as surrounds, and they are doing very good with that task.
Like you, I am not a “lettered” professional, but after more than 40 years of listening to music on everything from JVC, Fisher, Marantz, Pioneer, Panasonic (Technic), and even Sanyo way back, I know what sounds good to me. So, again, I say thank you!
So glad you like them. They're a special speaker at that price
I just picked these up using your affiliate link and I subscribed. Thank you for the recommendation.
Appreciate that very much. I'm truly amazed and so glad I grabbed these. I think it's the best deal in speakers this year
Hi Randy, great job, also read your review on Amazon.
Question: is the pair you reviewed the version with the newer rubber surrounds on the woofer or the original foam surround? Another reviewer has suggested that these newer versions are not in par with the original 11.2 with foam surround and the original tweeter.
I don't know to tell you the truth. I've read his comments as well. The one I got was from the same place he did so I can only assume that it was the same as his. Personally, I thought this speaker was stunning at this price. However, it's not for everyone as it has a pretty thick low end. I'm putting up a video tomorrow morning about another great deal on a Klipsch. You may want to check that one out too.
@@cheapaudioman thanks for your response. I assume you no longer have your pair to confirm if they have rubber or foam surround (?).
@@madhuxs I bought from the same seller, and can confirm the version in this video is the new revision with the rubber suspension on the woofer. I would also bet good money on that amazon reviewer never having heard the original version to compare to. They're just being dramatic. Someone from Wharfedale actually replied to their review explaining the changes (which were made 2 years ago). If anything, I'd say the V2 is an upgrade.
Shared your Saturday shootout with a friend and you gained a new subscriber. I'll take my money now.
Shoot me your info and I'll get you a free mug that's been in my garage for a few years... very low mileage though
I've watched a dozen of your videos the last two day. Love them, your approach and laid back demeanor is refreshing and necessary in an industry such as this. Keep it up.
P.S. If you want somebody to build you a custom table i'd be happy to help you out.
The box isn't rectangular to eliminate standing waves inside the enclosure that muddies the sound
Let's hear it for Big Al's Plumbing Supply! Not only hilarious, but dryly delivered. You're too real, Randy!! Hmmm! Sounds as though the Warfdales edge out the Elac's in your opinion. If the guys who commented about being "nervous" about your table on one of your previous reviews is so concerned about its "stability", let them buy you one they're satisfied with. You get your point acrossregardless. Doing that, they'd really "support" your channel! The only stability I'd be primarily concerned with is the shelf or table my turntable is on when playing a record! Carry on carrying on. There's a reason why your viewership has been increasing!
I still prefer the Debut References but at a third of the price they give me 90% or more of what the reference gives. At their regular retail I'd go Debut Reference. But the value is too great if your looking at both right now it would have to be the Diamonds if you can get a pair for $199
Next time it should be Big Al's Toy Barn, where you can save big Bock-Bock-Bucks!
Got mine for $650AUD as my sub had died and it was time for new speakers for my PC. Powered by an SMSL AD18, whole system punched WAY above its weight. Now my main TV speakers, powered by a cambridge AXR100, still make me smile every time I send a FLAC their way, properly good budget speaker. My ancient 300W home theatre sub often doesnt kick in, as it has some stupid bloody signal detection that's clearly on the fritz.......... there has been many many many times i havent noticed that the sub is still off
Nice review! One question about your terminology though: can you confirm exactly what you mean when you say you placed the speakers ‘X inches’ from the wall?
I recall the old-school magazine reviewers would reference the distance from the *front panel* of a speaker. but I do see some more recent video reviewers referencing the *back panel*. which is your reference?
I use back panel. Because if you go from the front and the speaker is 15" deep... well then you're not getting it closer than 15". From the back then you can get well... .ooooooo1" give or take. That just makes the most sense to me but I am by no means an expert. I've just listened to a bunch of speakers and I shove them up against the wall or pull them out until I get what "I" feel is a balanced sound.
Whatever the " formula " is for speaker placement ( that can be found online ). All rooms are a little different, dimensions, surface textures, furniture, window covering, etc.
What looks perfect on paper may not give the best sound in your situation. It may be close, but a few inches off the " formula " may yield better results.
Experiment!!!!
@@darrelgustafson2507 agreed. No two rooms are the same or ideal. And not everyone has a life size sculpture of Darth Vader that causes reflections in their room.
Check out the Wharfedale 220 about $130 a pair twin wall cabinet or 210 active $120 each
Someone posted a review on Amazon essentially stating it's not real Wharfedale Diamond 11.2. The picture does looks different from the product photo. What's your take on this?
Apparently there are two versions made. A version 1 with the foam surrounds and the tweeter with WFR printed on it. The second version was made with a rubber surround and without the logo on the tweeter. www.wharfedale.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Diamond11-BrochureA4-200416-_R0.pdf
The current brochure provides pictures of the latest units that are being sold.
Thanks for the info.
LBJ and Jupiter ? im in Garland. excellent reviews CAM !!
Thanks. Appreciate it. I’m over in north Fort Worth
@@cheapaudioman btw, do you ever sell the speakers that you review ? if so, is there a site you have that has them listed ? let me know. putting a system together and i trust your opinion :)
Love your review style! Are these going to be better than Kef q150 for pop/rock, I will use with a subwoofer
BTW...a suggestion for your reference listening playlist: Bruce Hornsby’s “The Way it is”, one of the best pop tunes from the 80’s with a beautifully forward piano.
Another suggestion: the recording reference standard everyone used in the 90’s, Patricia Barber’s “Cafe Blue” album....literally the entire album. Absolute masterpiece.
And a speaker request: Martin Logan’s “15” bookshelf. Crutchfield still has a bunch in stock.
Love that song. Had a buddy in high school that could play the intro on the piano and learned it by ear.
Nice review! More Human is a great energetic song. Check out Yosi Horikawa - Bubbles, if you haven't already. Great imaging/soundstaging. Or Bin Iver - Holoscene. Very musical and vocal.
We have very similar musical tastes it seems OR at least different from most audiophiles playlists' "Buffy" muhahaha..anyway if your in the FL Dizknee land area hmu for a layover hang for an hour or day, whateves (I got jokes too hehe) but seriously it's cool....I digress the reason I posted was for you to listen to I Prevails Trauma album next speaker listening sitting time...on Kef 150 with e30 dac thru Potplayer filtered with ffmpeg on desktop PC listening station @ 32/48 it's a every trax is a winner kinda thing dont even have to sit up for remote except to adjust the volume maybe til da end....gosh that was the longest way to recommend a album or track and to put flair in dare too..but good job amd I enjoy your david letterman esq. Attitude, keep up the good reviews and thanks for your time and effort Mr cheap sir....Im not good at public speaking I feel like lmao 2BagTony & Im out peace
It's great to hear a review from someone with mostly similar taste in music. Thanks for the review!
Hey cheapaudio man,
What would you recommend between these and the EVO 4.2?
Hello Randy!!! Another great one. These are the ones I was waiting for. Love the Sony SSCS5 bookshelves that I recently bought. Should I grab these? Are they that next level?????
An a word "yes" Although I just checked amazon and there's only 1 pair left on amazon in the dark color. I think white is still available
Just saw them on Amazon for 199, white was the only option. I picked up the dark ash colored set. They are so freaking nice
@@cheapaudioman I dig that white color. May grab these.
Oh man! They are gone!!!! Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ramondelgado6778 Back in stock on Amazon in White as of right now.
I'm confused,
I thought the material surrounding the woofer are dark grey foams, but it looks like black rubber to me, is this version 2?
Hi I am looking for a set of these that are the version 1.0 with WFR vented system printed around the tweeter, I of course have to pay full price for them so want to find the right one, but is there much sound difference to this 2.0 version you are reviewing? I have the 11.CC with wfr vented system and want them to match as closely as possible. Cheers
NOOOOO. Everybody makes this mistake, Springsteen's "I'M ON FIRE" is about a car. Just look at the original Vid ! Someone has a classic car (T-bird in video) and does not appreciate it. Bruce does. Bruce actually ignores the woman who owns it and is partially coming on to him .:)
You are funny by the way, and I like your view. Will watch more videos.
Didn’t know that. That’s awesome. Thanks goodness... thought that was a little creepy. What’s your take on Stay the Night by Chicago. Is that about a car too? Because I’d feel much better if that one was about a car
@@cheapaudioman Yeah the Diamond 12's just get better, and so do the Evo's (speaker of the year WHAT HIFI).
Welllll . . . without judgement . . . the last time that I heard the Chicargo Transit Authority was at a high school dance in the early 80's sooo I do not believe that I am qualified to comment on that tune .:)
Wait ! I heard "CTA" mentioned in a Wilco song, does that count ?
I did notice that the pair I received in black had a different woofer surround. It's a light gray foam. Your pair looks like rubber. Also I think the tweeter is different. I'm not going to loose any sleep as they sound fantastic in my den system. I did some research and looks like Wharfedale made some changes along the line before discontinuing them.
Waiting for the Cambridge Audio SX 50 review!
I have the SX60's coming in and would like to give the SX50's a listen too.
Love your videos! Ended up buying these over some Polk S20's for the $199 sale price after watching this! I ended up ordering a Polk S35 center speaker way before I ordered these, would it be too much of a mix-match or is it fine? It's all going to connect to a SVS PB-1000 subwoofer on a 3.1 surround sound for my PC and eventually 5.1 later down the line
Most will tell you to not mix center channel and front channels. Personally, In practice I've never heard much a difference when running a klipsch center and polk fronts. However, I think the diamond center that matches these is on an incredible sale too if you can still find it.
You are my new Speaker reviewer hero .
You should be called Mr Keeping it real 👊🏻👍🏻
Thanks!
Enjoyed the review, the presentation is nice.
I had the 11.1s (returned) and the 11.4 (still have). I find that the 11.4 were very forgiving with room placement with regards to boominess in the bass....well, there was less boom than rear ported or forward ported speakers in my living room. The problem I had with the Diamond 11s was that the highs didn't have enough grit / weren't forward enough in the treble.
Appreciate your honest reviews! And your attitude... any chance you'll be reviewing the Micca RB42 Reference's? I'm on a tight budget, you almost have me sold on the Sony SSCS5's, but would love to hear what you have to say about the Micca's. Thanks! Edited cuz the caffiene in my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
Heard so many good things about the Miccas. I reviewed a set of Miccas and they were ok. I'll see what I can find on them
@@cheapaudioman Amazon has those Micca's Rb42. About $149
@@steventsimtsos4029 Upgrading my home theater speakers, I just ordered me a pair of the SSCS5's to see how they sound. Still have my eyes on the RB42's. Lots of great reviews on the Micca's for just a little more money than the Sony's. Would love to see Randy review them.
@@akersquarteracre8002 i think Randy did review the Sony's, definitely a good buy for the price ! They will be easier to drive also being 8ohms vs the Micca's at 4ohms. But the Micca's have a better build quality and i believe they use better quality crossover components. Not sure how audible that is though 🤷♂️
@@steventsimtsos4029 I honestly don't know if I would have bought the Sony's already without Randy's reviews. Almost sound too good to be true for the price. No amp being used here, just an Onkyo 7.1 reciever putting out 100W per channel, currently only using 5.1. Should make the Sony's sing. The Sony's are actually 6 ohms. I've heard the Micca's need lots of power to sound their best, as they are very power hungry at 4 ohms. Not sure I want to stress my 12 year old reciever to that level.
great videos, keep up the good work! btw, which is better: the emotiva airmotiv b1+ that you reviewed earlier, or this one? thanks in advance!
There a totally different speaker. The B1+ are super crystal clear while still having bass. These, while not rolled off on top, are very rich with less clarity and more refinement. And they're also prettier.
@@cheapaudioman thanks!
Enjoy your method of internet/tv reviewing...........cheers to your future...........subscribed...(and that don't come easy)
Thanks, Ken. I'm just having fun and have an addiction to buying speakers... just thought someone out there might be able to benefit and my wife likes that I get my jokes out talking to a camera rather than her
I came across some of your videos some months ago, and i’ve just happened to watch this one and decided to subscribe. Interesting heterodox attitude, hehe.
I do have diamonds 9.1 (very well considered as outstanding speakers for their price range). Do you think these 11.2 from Wharfedale can subsequently compete with the Debut B6.2?
Greetings from Spain!
I think they are two very different speakers. The 11.2’s have way more bass and a richer midrange. The b6.2’s are way more analytical and the diamonds very buttery
Great review. Love your style brother.
OK, so now that I'm getting sucked into caring about audio, when I never have before, I'm wondering how much of a role a particular amp or receiver plays in the final product coming out of a speaker, assuming you're comparing two amps in the same price range. I currently have an old A/V receiver that I'm using for listening-only, just using 2 channels and a sub. I'd like to replace it with something that is smaller, around 100 amps, that can handle airplay and bluetooth. Hope you can review some more integrated amps and receivers in the future. I saw the video on the marantz nr1711, but I'll never need all the extra surround and video stuff, just a simple 2.1 setup.
you could update your receiver with a nice fairly priced DAC that includes all the latest bluetooth codecs. Amps do play a role for sure in sound quality but it may slightly move a warm speaker to being a bit more exciting or moving a exciting speaker to being more laid back but it doesn't dominate the sound signature all that much. Take a look at this DAC. Has the best bluetooth and will for sure improve the sound of your digital sources amzn.to/2LpkBiy Something a bit more affordable is the topping e30 amzn.to/37cSjAg but it doesn't have bluetooth
@@cheapaudioman Thanks, I'll definitely look into that.
Literally everything matters when it comes to quality of sound reproduction. If I was to rank them by basic things, it would be:
1) The recording. By FAR AND AWAY most important thing is the sound of the source material.
2) Speakers are by far the most important component in shaping the sound from the source. If you use a sub or subs, those are important but a bit less so than the mains unless you're really into bass-heavy stuff. But a crappy-sounding sub ruins freaking everything.
3) Pre-amp & Amp are roughly equally important. If either are well below the quality of your speakers you will definitely not get the most from them you could. And that applies to many components of speaker performance: Loudness of course, but also imaging, soundstage, balance in tonality, tightness of bass, forward vs. laid back sound, warm vs. bright. They play a big role in eeking out the last bit of performance for sure.
4) Anything else like DAC's and Cables ... unless you're rich or SUPER discerning, save money here and put it towards the first three. Cheers! Also, 100W, not Amps :)
Picked these up for 199, upgraded from my 6 year old Samsung soundbar subwoofer. Blown away with the sound quality. The monolith speaker stands will be in this week. Have you listened to their 11.0 center speaker?
I love this channel and the audio reviews and information... This dude reminds me of Offerman from Parks and recreation... Though I never get a response back from my questions... But it can seem a bit overwhelming when you hear that like for an example The Sony SSC s5s are really good for the money and that in that price range it's a given you should totally get them...then the next review is on some speakers or just a little bit more maybe maybe $50 $60 more and then it's like all these are really good too these are really really good and then the next review these are really really good I mean there's some reviews where things aren't so good The pros and the cons and so forth but then you're trying to decide on what speakers to get and then you order the Sony's and then you hear a review about some other speakers they're just a little more maybe on sale maybe not and then you're like all these so these other speakers are better than the Sony oh I should have got those oh my God so yeah I'm just sticking with my Sony is making it work. not all of us can afford to have 10 sets of speakers and change them out and apparently there's a lot of people doing reviews and they all get like some free stuff sent to them so it's easy to do that when you're getting paid or making some money off of this but when you're just someone that loves music and you're just trying to have a better sounding system then a little bookshelf that you found at the thrift shop... And you want to make a one to $200 investment in speakers it's tough when there's like five or six or seven different choices and everything is just so awesome...lol... My choice is the SSCS5 and the SACS9 I've heard good and bad about them... But they are sounding pretty good with my little setup 20 watt per channel to channel setup so you know we can always wish we had a little bit of this a little bit of that something a little better and then you get a little better and then you want a little better more than that a little bit a little better more and more but we can't afford that when we can't afford to just keep buying speakers and going with the next best thing some of us maybe you can afford that some of us just got to go with that first selection and make it work for as much time until we save up and maybe upgrade at some point while some of us have a whole damn room of speakers that they switch on and off like you know some of us are truly on a budget and we just want to have a good nice sounding system knowing that there are far greater sounding systems out there. I appreciate the inspiration but it's hard to watch these videos knowing that I'm going to hear about something that's even better that maybe I didn't know about and I might second-guess and doubt that I shouldn't have got the Sony's when there's something else I might have and should have looked into and I don't think Amazon wants me to ship back everything I bought just to try out a whole different setup every month....lol.
hey, man. Thanks for the note. I don't get paid anything or get anything sent to me right now. The only money I get is from people clicking and buying on my links. Here are my picks for speakers by price around $100 - sony sscs5 or neumi bs5. Around $200 Elac Debut b5.2 Around , around $250 Emotiva B1+, around $300 KEF Q150, $400 Klipsch RP600M, around $600 elac debut reference. I know it's confusing as heck. And a system with the Sonys and a sub is all most people would ever need and anyone could be very happy with it. And... you shouldn't feel badly about returning something to amazon. I do it all the time because speakers and headphones are a really personal thing.
Love your laid-back style.
These are at a similar price point now to the Airmotiv B1+. I don't have a fancy receiver and I'm not going to know how to set up the speakers exactly right (perfect angle, perfect distance from the back wall, etc.). I'm looking for a pair that will produce pretty good sound with little fuss. They'll serve (in a small living room) in stereo for music, and also as the front 2 speakers in a 5.1 surround system.
Between these and the Airmotiv B1+, which pair would you prefer for my goals? Thanks in advance!
Opposite ends of the spectrum. The Diamond 11.2's are very rich and thick on the low end while the B1+ are very lively and clear on the top end. Depends on your taste. I think that at $199 the Diamond 11.2's are one of the best deals out there right now amzn.to/3htNciS If you want the best clarity and detail on a speaker with still great mids and lows the B1+ is the way to go. emotiva.com?aff=9
Love your reviews. I did not care for these speakers at all. When they were at their standard price - I got them and returned them. I would not likely get them at 199 either, but the fact that I paid more when I got them influenced my opinion of them to some degree.
For me they were too receded with instruments that should have been more forward, too muddy, were terrible at low volumes and were too reliant upon placement. Enemimc with disproportionate bass is how I describe them.
I continue to have coffee in hand when I sit down to check out your reviews.
Happy New Year -
CM
These are definitely a love it or hate it speaker. I did have to pull them out a bit to get that bass to calm down.
Where would you rank these against your favorites? How would they have placed in the last speaker shootout?
Elac, Klipsch, These, Bros. These do a lot of what the Elacs do but don't have quite the soundstage or detail. At $199 they do 90% of what the Elacs do though. Can be a bit much on the low end unless you can get some space from the wall but I don't mind that even closer to the wall. I'd rather have too much bass than not enough.
@@cheapaudioman Thank you for mentioning low volume performance, and for always responding.
Wharfedale diamond 12.1 vs Q acoustics 3030i?
Randy, thank you for presenting this research, I am slowly learning. Do you have any recommendations for powered computer speakers? Not for an audiophile who wants to be able to tell where each musician is located in the room necessarily, but just decent sound for gaming/metal/edm/general use?
The Edifier R1700bts amzn.to/3gJyK5P is pretty good. I have them at work. I would suggest a subwoofer though as they're pretty light on the bottom end. Also, if you're coming out of your computer you'll need a dac to connect it up. Let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks.
If you are on a tight budget try the Klipsch Pro Media THX 2.1 system. I have the left & right a foot above me on shelves 4 feet apart and the sub on the floor between my desk and a wall. It's on par with some of the best I have ever heard. But, like smooth jazz, electronic, 80's and so on. If you want loud I'm going to suggest Emotiva B1+ speakers, Emotiva SE8 Flex sub woofer and an Emotiva A-100 amp. Plug that into your computer 3.5mm jack or get a USB DAC and blow the windows out. If you can DIY look at these called "DINAS": th-cam.com/video/InVjNJLLEvI/w-d-xo.html Have fun!
Airpulse A100 or A200. beautiful transparent near field powered speakers. The Airpulse A100 even have a sub out.
Logitech Z series are solid bang for buck. Also as mentioned above Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 are a fine set.
Waiting for closeout pricing like $199 is THE CheapAudioMan WAY. Resellers are now asking stupid pricing of $599-$760... yeah, good luck with that. Bwah...
You will never see that closeout price for these again. At least not for a new pair. I'd say $400 is fair market value for a used pair in great shape
I've had these and found their warm sound super nice. However, I found them hard to place in my room. Very hard. Therefore i switched to the Klipsch RP-500m. Hope this helps someone. I might have a hard room though.
As a plumber I can assure you that's not the plunger you want. You want a good heavy duty korky
hey. Randy, check this song:Nina Simone i put a spell on you
What about screamin Jay Hawkins version?
Hey man, these are still for sale @ 199. Is it still worth it or go for the 12.2?
"Between 2 Speakers" ...Thanks for your good info and entertainment! :)
actually reached out to some other "tubers" so see if they would do a between 2 speakers bit... I have yet to hear back
@@cheapaudioman Sorry for the long delay in response, my 50 year old ass still uses a computer instead of a phone for this stuff; anywho that would be absolutely Tip-Top! I think it would be beyond entertaining for Sean from Zero F to join you. The contrast and compare should be hysterical and informative. You Randy, are seriously an oasis of info and belly laughs at the right and needed time in these crazy days of ickyness. Truly, thank you for what you're bringing us.
@@seand3980 I highly doubt Zero would be into that. Guttenberg probably. Robinson and Darko would be hilarious but I doubt they’d be into it
Now I'm thinking of getting this or the Emotiva Airmotiv B1+ or the Polk Audio X15(auditioned) or Wharfedale Diamond 9.2
You're in Dallas? No wonder you are home all the time. In Dallas you can't get to Jupiter from anywhere else unless you are already there. Terrible traffic.... If, however, you can still find one, try Herrera's Cafe, I think there's still one in Oak Cliff, and maybe one over on the West side of the river, North of Oak Cliff. Not as good as they used to be, but still kick A Tez-Mex. Try the Pepe's or Jimmy's Specials. Can't go wrong. ✌️
Randy, do you enjoy mellow piano music? Like George Winston, Dana Cunningham, and others...?
I happen to have a pair of Wharfedale D320's which I bought earlier this year. While I enjoy much of the music palette offered up by the D320's they do fail miserably with piano notes. My Klipsch R-41M speakers reproduce piano notes beautifully. So, was wondering if the Wharfedale Diamond 11.2's also fail with piano music or if they are as accurate with piano music as the R-51M's you recently reviewed? Thank you for the review of the 11.2.
I'll give them a listen. I do test with a few songs with piano and didn't notice anything particularly "bad" about their rendering of piano. Not as "clean" as some others but not bad either.
Cheap Audiophile test song suggestion - Abracadabra - Steve Miller Band
After 8 months I could finally score a new pair in Belgium for 199,- Euro 🙂 Will be delivered tomorrow. 👌
I bought the white 11.2s but returned them this morning. They just had too much bass and the treble just sounded dull. I more of a treble guy and want everything to be crystal clear and stand out. Any suggestions in the $250 range? Elac maybe?
If you want clarity, the Emotiva Airmotiv B1+ is an excellent choice. The Q Accoustics are also great. Some think the Elac b6.2 isn't very exciting on the top end. I've had two sets and I'd disagree. The emotiva has a ribbon tweeter and many believe (as do I) that there is a level of clarity provided that, in most cases, a dynamic driver simply can't. The B1+ is the clearest speaker I've ever heard. At $230 it's a great value if you can put up with it's different design emotiva.com?aff=9
@@cheapaudioman I was actually wanting to try those Emotiva speakers. But the one thing stopping me from purchasing them is their look. I think they're ugly for sure. Lol
What about break-in...some speakers do sound better after some hours on them. I haven't set mine up yet and I am used to more resolving and brighter speakers. I did get a listen to the 225s and thought they were decent. BTW the dullest bugdet speakers I've listened to in my own home were Energy C100s.
@@cheapaudioman I've had demoed the Martin-Logan Motion 15 speakers and liked the tweeter for its' live venue sound but thought the midrange driver held it back. Strangely it sounded exactly like Paradigm SE-1s I had at the time except on voices. Instruments sounded exectly the same. The MLs were more efficient but couldn't play loud without distorting while the Paradigms took all the power I could throw at them and still sounded good. Monitor Audio Silver series trounced both of them for detail and soundstage but were too laid back for movies as well as rock. So, there is a limit to what a folded tweeter can do and they aren't always better than dynamic speaker designs. It depends on all the components a designer uses within a given budget.
Hey Randy. How do these compare to Elac b6.2 or similar?
Can you review the Cambridge Audio SX50, they are 199.99 and would be a compact alternative.
I have their big brothers coming in.
You got 1k subs in a couple days? Nice work!
thanks! Because people like you and your support.