Man am I glad I stumbled on your videos! I’m subscribed AND, I got out a brand new notepad to capture all this gold you are sharing!!! We appreciate the work you put into your videos and am looking at them one after another! GOLD I’m telling ya, big nuggets of the stuff!
A couple of years ago, a fella that owed me money, gave me one of those La Porte trees with cable rigging and I was going to find a saddlemaker to turn it into a saddle for mounted shooting. I guess now it's just a conversation piece.
Yeah I checked, pretty sure Capriolas used to have all kinds of saddle explanations on their website, but that stuff seems to be gone. Gotta say I've watched quite a few of your TH-cam posts and enjoyed them. I didn't really mean to rain on your parade here. You have some really good stuff. And I thank you for it!
Quite useful stuff here. I was wondering what rigging would you choose for a trail riding saddle on a mature horse ? 3/4 maybe? 3/4 is good for roping too no ? Maybe the most versatile don’t you think? In South America Gauchos use a “recado” that’s center fired. They tie hard (and big) with the the lasso tied to the cinch 😬and most of the time the hospital is far away…. Thanks for your videos
Yes I spent some time in Argentina and did it that way myself. As far as a trail riding saddle I think a 7/8 is a really good versital rig but without knowing your horse or what sort of trail riding you are on I would hate to say.
I have always been told that the D ring rigging is the best option if your roaping because normaly they dont come apart but watching this video the drop plate sounds equal, im not breaking colts but am getting into roaping what would you say is my better bet for roaping a large animal
You mentioned that we don't make horses for center fire rigging...would that be a larger withered horse ? What other build of horses dont we see any more ?
I greatly appreciate your sharing your knowledge and experience. I've been told that if the back cinch is tight/snug, it interferes with their breathing and I've seen tied saddled horses freak out and been told that it's because of a tight back cinch. I take lessons with senior/bridled working cow reiners that all ride with loose back cinches and very tight front cinches. What is your opinion on that?
Well they don't breath with the stomach. I think a loose back cinch is silly, may as well not have it at all. On the other hand if you are working with some arena style trainers I am sure they are loping those horses down everyday and the horses are breathing hard and it appears that the back cinch interferes with breathing...again they don't breath with the stomach. As far as tied horses freaking out I don't know how the back cinch can be blamed, in truth I don't have enough information to say anything about that and I don't like to make assumptions. Thats my opinion, you can take it and two dollars and buy a cup of coffee.
I’m a form and function kinda gal ,….. I just want to ride my horse and always have the horsepower…….tis better to have it , and not need it,then to need it and not have it.
Could you please make a video regarding back cinches and saddle fit (rigging)? I hear too many different opinions about riding saddles with a loose back cinch or no cinches. I believe that an even pressure on the saddle is best, like with mules and donkeys pack style. What say you, rabbi? Gracias!
What's missing here is saddle trees. Different bar designs can dramatically affect how the finished saddle should be rigged. Also your description of rigging placement is the modern method. 1/2, 5/8, 3/4, and full used to be the distance from where the cantle enters the bar to the center of the fork WHERE IT ENTERS the bar. As an example your Harwood (I think that was your "5/8" dropped plate example) would be an old school 3/4 (by my eye, and I am a saddle maker). Never met Dale Harwood, but I would of thought he'd use the old school method. Been a long time, but I think Capriolas (online even) would confirm this method of identifying rigging placement, but maybe they've gone 21st century too. There really is a lot to saddle tree and saddle construction, to end up with one saddle that can be used long and hard days on most saddle horses, without issues. Can't be done using shortcuts.
@@declan8802 A lot more leather in terms of surface area that takes the jerk. Also it is attached to the tree in such a way that the overall pressure is more widely distributed
Excellent info, and very well laid out. Thank you!
thank you. If you saw my preparation process you would laugh at "very well laid out". Glad you enjoyed it
Man am I glad I stumbled on your videos! I’m subscribed AND, I got out a brand new notepad to capture all this gold you are sharing!!! We appreciate the work you put into your videos and am looking at them one after another! GOLD I’m telling ya, big nuggets of the stuff!
I am so glad you like them
Great explanation and interesting insights of the use of each position.
Glad you liked it
Thanks for your comments and for the experience that got you to that point.
you bet. Glad you liked it
Kinda cool to have one of the family saddles in a video
I love that saddle. rode it today.
A couple of years ago, a fella that owed me money, gave me one of those La Porte trees with cable rigging and I was going to find a saddlemaker to turn it into a saddle for mounted shooting. I guess now it's just a conversation piece.
yeah they suck. Buy cheap get cheap. lol
Very informative. Always enjoy your videos.
thank you
Awesome video! Very informative. Thank you so much!
heck yeah, glad you liked it.
Yeah I checked, pretty sure Capriolas used to have all kinds of saddle explanations on their website, but that stuff seems to be gone.
Gotta say I've watched quite a few of your TH-cam posts and enjoyed them. I didn't really mean to rain on your parade here. You have some really good stuff. And I thank you for it!
Quite useful stuff here. I was wondering what rigging would you choose for a trail riding saddle on a mature horse ? 3/4 maybe? 3/4 is good for roping too no ? Maybe the most versatile don’t you think? In South America Gauchos use a “recado” that’s center fired. They tie hard (and big) with the the lasso tied to the cinch 😬and most of the time the hospital is far away….
Thanks for your videos
Yes I spent some time in Argentina and did it that way myself. As far as a trail riding saddle I think a 7/8 is a really good versital rig but without knowing your horse or what sort of trail riding you are on I would hate to say.
Agreed except first two both looked like full doubles. But I was way over here
I have always been told that the D ring rigging is the best option if your roaping because normaly they dont come apart but watching this video the drop plate sounds equal, im not breaking colts but am getting into roaping what would you say is my better bet for roaping a large animal
for arena roping id go with a D, for ranch roping I like plate
Fantastic. Thank you!
You mentioned that we don't make horses for center fire rigging...would that be a larger withered horse ? What other build of horses dont we see any more ?
Hight wither and a snake gut
I greatly appreciate your sharing your knowledge and experience. I've been told that if the back cinch is tight/snug, it interferes with their breathing and I've seen tied saddled horses freak out and been told that it's because of a tight back cinch. I take lessons with senior/bridled working cow reiners that all ride with loose back cinches and very tight front cinches. What is your opinion on that?
Well they don't breath with the stomach. I think a loose back cinch is silly, may as well not have it at all. On the other hand if you are working with some arena style trainers I am sure they are loping those horses down everyday and the horses are breathing hard and it appears that the back cinch interferes with breathing...again they don't breath with the stomach. As far as tied horses freaking out I don't know how the back cinch can be blamed, in truth I don't have enough information to say anything about that and I don't like to make assumptions. Thats my opinion, you can take it and two dollars and buy a cup of coffee.
Ty
I agree!@@SGTrainingStable
Good stuff.
Thank you
I’m a form and function kinda gal ,….. I just want to ride my horse and always have the horsepower…….tis better to have it , and not need it,then to need it and not have it.
I agree
Could you please make a video regarding back cinches and saddle fit (rigging)? I hear too many different opinions about riding saddles with a loose back cinch or no cinches. I believe that an even pressure on the saddle is best, like with mules and donkeys pack style. What say you, rabbi? Gracias!
Im on it
What's missing here is saddle trees. Different bar designs can dramatically affect how the finished saddle should be rigged. Also your description of rigging placement is the modern method. 1/2, 5/8, 3/4, and full used to be the distance from where the cantle enters the bar to the center of the fork WHERE IT ENTERS the bar. As an example your Harwood (I think that was your "5/8" dropped plate example) would be an old school 3/4 (by my eye, and I am a saddle maker). Never met Dale Harwood, but I would of thought he'd use the old school method. Been a long time, but I think Capriolas (online even) would confirm this method of identifying rigging placement, but maybe they've gone 21st century too. There really is a lot to saddle tree and saddle construction, to end up with one saddle that can be used long and hard days on most saddle horses, without issues. Can't be done using shortcuts.
Got a lot of money tied up in leather what area do you work in?
In Nevada now, that video was in Arizona, I move around some
Can u do a vid about length of cinches,how to know what size , quality ect...
5/8, 3/4 and center are better for mules
That is true. A 5/8 fits a mule very well. I try not to ride mules if I can help it but if I do its in 5/8 wade.
Is d ring or drop plate riggin stronger and better for roping in the pasture?
drop plate is stronger but a D ring is easier to replace.
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Thank you. If you don’t mind what makes the drop plate stronger?
@@declan8802 A lot more leather in terms of surface area that takes the jerk. Also it is attached to the tree in such a way that the overall pressure is more widely distributed
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Thank you and nice video
I will say, you have some classic wood in your line up
Thanks. Some due to luck and others due to planning
That's what she said
Your colt saddle made out of JB weld, oh my gosh, lol, and even has a cable, wow, 👌✌️
Thant super puncher stuff
It looks like an exposed tree on this itty bitty phone. If so, that IS super punchy. Lemme know please
it is. Worked good for a few years@@rafterL78
Unrelated topic, what do you use for a horn wrap on the first saddle? Is that cotton?
yep, an old cotton lead rope.
What are your opinions on an on tree dropped 7/8" rigging set up?
I have never had a dropped 7/8 only ring rigged. The drop plate is always a stronger option and good if you are dealing with heavy stock
@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt Thanks! I have a drop plate style.
@@loryspencer8215 Thats good.
Clean your tack, there is no sense in letting one get that bad.
Pardon me, one what?