I'm convinced the motor sizing debacle was just a marketing gimmick. I think if he never said anything, and it's within the same rough size of a 2207, nobody would even bother measuring it or care.
I think one of the most important parts of a frame is being able to get replacement parts. With the exception of impulse RC and TBS source One you spend $100 on a frame and in a few months its obsolete. I still fly my reverb and my Apex cuz I can get parts for them.
Best combination until version 6 of the best ever frame and version 2 of the best ever "2207" motors comes along of course!. I envy his science knowledge as much as his marketing skills! 😁
This is how I’m feeling also. I’m on my 3rd version of this frame now. 2 of which were not compatible so all the spare parts were rendered useless. Now this one will be a fresh start also. Think I’m just gonna stick with Quadmula from here.
@@xORLOCKxI haven’t looked back. It seriously does fly better. I had the exact same set up on both frames and I’d pick the Quadmula up every time. Also as u said it’s a lot stronger. Sneeze at a camera plate on the AOS and it starts splintering.
mine has that rattle you speak of. I thought it was the tune and then I put on another build with Kiss Ultra V2 and the rattle was still there.... What is that all about????
Heya Ian, great overview. Looking forward to the "deep dive" you'll inevitably be doing! One question I hope you'll be able to answer... how different are these from the RCINPOWER GTS V4 2207 motors (black&gold) that are already on the market? The V4s are already eye-wateringly expensive, are they essentially the same motor? Thanks again, appreciate your enthusiasm and attention to detail!
Chris did some motor testing with the RCinPower 'Wasp Major', his 'Supernova', and a few others. These two videos may help you in comparing. Chris's Supernova: th-cam.com/video/WO1D0krt24E/w-d-xo.html Wasp Major and others: th-cam.com/video/xBTAL0i3BAM/w-d-xo.html
Big problem straight away Ian. If I’m paying a premium price for a frame I expect the FPV isolation mounts to be included, who has a 3D printer? Also you need a 20cm 03 cable at another £15 or so. Chris can bleat on forever about resonances but unless he supplies the parts he’s missing out on the biggest part of the market. He should follow ApexRC’s lead and give buyers a reason to buy. I’m out.
Was hoping everything would be included for this price as well. I also have major issues keeping the battery from ejecting with this shape of the top plate
Well, I have 3x3D Printers all around 300mm Bed size. But I agree, for this price it should definitely be included, especially that damn cable. They could buy in bulk and save a lot. But now we consumers have to get our hands on a single overpriced cable...
CNC Madness probably forgot to include half the parts. Mentioning their name makes this frame a hard pass for me. Plus the top and bottom plate look weak. Maybe it’s good in parks with lots of grass idk
Another one... Too many versions in such a short time. Also he claimed that he's previous designs are revolutionary in case of vibrations and now he's coming back to the basic design. Feel like he's just throwing products to make money..
Agreed. Won't buy any of his branded over priced products. There are too many other products that are just as good and cost much less. He's a PT Barnum.
Wait. The confusion was created when he decided to play games with the size of the motor. Cheers to Ian for having Chris barf out that exuse😆😆 I wouldnt have done it either. I guess my audi 5 cylinder motor can just be classified as a 4 cylinder motor class to minimize confusion. Its only one more cylinder😂😂
There is close to no major things I can add. I discussed it extensively in my live streams. The quad flies good and the motors are Ok. Expensive high end motors yes but no complaints. I would not suggest them for bando bashing due to the replacement cost but if you looking for high quality motors and want to support Chris then go for it.
@MadRC surprises me. When i put the motors on an exact same build with eco2 motors i have been flying i had to drop the motors to 60% throttle vs the eco2 motors that were at 100% in order to get a similar flight. Its odd how you and a handful of other reviewers all said they were going to do a follow up and if you look on YT no reviewers did a follow up. I watch most of your live streams so i must have missed it. You are one of the last reviewers i actually listen to. Appreciate the work you put in.
Why do these experts not anticipate the standard 03 system, this one needs a special cable, JB’s do not offer soft mount for his frame. Just saying, maybe they are still stuck in the analog world? Not trying to be negative, but do like the digital world. And would be nice to get frames that cater to the 03 system.
Why does he charge such a premium over comparable frames? I like the look of the 3.5in V5 frame, but it is $64. You can get a flyfish volador 3.5 for $30 and that has all the printed stuff and everything included. I cannot imagine the anti-vibration tech is worth paying more than double. He should be a little more realistic.
I just don't get what Chris is trying to fix? Resonance what? Any good frame with good motors and good stack flies without any weird resonance or vibrations and for us pilots from team no stab we can provide proof if required 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like he is attending business school classes at the same school as Tim Cook from Apple and just released the best of everything every year to make money lol
@@Sugar_K this is what I was going to say. BF defaults and a well built kwad is 99% of the way. Keen to see this magic frame with cheap motors, stacks and props to see how it performs
I fell into the trap of the "Chris Rosser" gimmick buying the V1 frame which flew ok but breaks easy in a bando crash. Now we are on Version 5 where he is claiming this is the best one , are you sure this time Chris🤔or will these frames be like iphones ? Same gimmick going on with the motor , claiming its a 2207 when in reality its bigger and a battery scoffer. Think I will stick to a source one v5 frame , xing ecos and a speedybee and send it 🙃
This frame looks pretty ugly... But its a great design : easy to build and repair, strong, roomy, no props in view, xt60 mounting, toilet tank mounting option... Its a well thought out frame, much better than the original designs.
They should be labeled 22.5-07.5 but i think they should all have dash so it’s easy to read and write it on the motor if you want to do a good job! As it looks like a good motor
No rounding when it's precise, many motors list .5 in their dimensions. I do agree with both though that the motors are larger than 2207 like Chris would like us to believe, otherwise he would list the stator size in the dimensions of the motor on the page, which conveniently neglects this. @@dimonik12
@@rodneylake2 My point was a bit unclear, IF the motors were .5 over and Chris has chosen to not be precise, he should of rounded up and he knows this, this suggests to me that the difference is under 0.5 as Chris an Engineer would be ripped to shreds for being a liar and incompetent if he rounded .5 or over down to 22.
@@rodneylake2 Ha, I had guessed more like .3/4 maybe but a complete lie is not totally unexpected from anybody cashing in. I want to like AOS as a Brit I like local but he is just so full of shi... I cant even pretend.
This frame is not an easy build (revised from garbage). I bought it and it has so many problems. It doesn't come with all the screws to put it together, the screws for the arms stick up into the ESC, it doesn't come with any of the TPU stuff that all frames come with now, it doesn't come with stack bolts (I had to file my own down to fit), you have to replace the coaxial cable to the 03 unit, it feels like a $30 frame. The 3d prints on the web site don't include a GPS mount, so you will have to design your own. Also, the arm guards soft mount your motors. I have the AOS evo 5, absolutely the best drone I own. This frame is a huge step backwards. (After my first thoughts on this frame I have to add, now that I completed it. It is a good frame, but not for beginners. I had to make all my own cables to make everything reach, such as the 03-wiring harness, and relacing the 03-camera cable. I had to design all new TPU parts for everything on this build. So, you better have a 3D printer. I take back my original comment of garbage because it really is a high-quality frame, it just needs a little too much work.)
No stack screws is correct No TPU parts is correct. However if you have bolts coming though the pressed nuts they are the wrong ones as I don’t have that.
@@MadRC The screws are pretty apparent where they go and one of the ones that goes through the middle arm press nut, I had to file down because it sticks up into the stack.
Almost every time I crash my AOS 5 O3 V1 my battery ejects and I have to fix the XT60/balance. 23mm standoffs don’t allow for a decent battery strap to fit between top of stack and top plate. The rear curve in top plate doesn’t allow for a second strap to fit on my batteries. It’s stopping me from flying hard and I’m disappointed nothings changed in this revision after voicing this everywhere I can and being a patreon for a long time.
I haven't bought a new phone in 4 years even though Samsung releases one every year. It's almost like I, as the consumer, can choose what I want to buy while the manufacturer is free to innovate, improve, and capture new customers. I dont get the whining about the rapid versioning... Dont buy it if you dont want a new frame. Its really that simple. No reason to be butt hurt that an update happened.
I wouldn’t buy another AOS frame or anything else made by CNC Madness. Or Rosser for that matter just because he continues to use that God awful company to cut frames. I’ve had nothing but disappointment and zero response from Rosser when commenting in his videos regarding the issues
I still think the incorrect labeling is misleading. It makes me wonder why label them at all if the label cannot be interpreted without watching the launch film. Might as well label then 5"inch motors.
Props out of camera view is the reasoning. We have had a dozen long nose frames like this over the years. But I agree it’s weird and significantly less durable. I generally stay away from them, except for cruising builds, where crashes are significantly less likely. Most of the people I know mount VTX in the front, ESC in the middle and FC in the back on 3 mounting spot frames. I have my signature freestyle frame that’s exactly like this. Ultra slammed, exceedingly durable, and perfect centre of gravity.
Also mounting the FC in the back gives you significantly better tune-ability and flight performance as it’s away from the vibrations coming from the arms. My OG Apex builds are like this too with the ESC and VTX in the centre and FC in the back. No resonance cutouts required. 😜 Also: for reference, the only long nose frame I have ever actually enjoyed was the Stan FPV Feather.
It won’t hold up. The top and bottom plates have too many cutouts, they are too thin, cnc madness uses crap cf, and the length will make it an eggshell only suitable for grassy parks and fields. Standby for v6 😂
LOL!! The motor size thing is plainly deceptive. He's comparing them to smaller motors implying that they're the same "class"? What the hell does that mean? Yeah, specific dimensions are important.
I just think it’s wrong when someone is allowed to tear apart every other manufacturers claims and figures and then doesn’t publish/ lies about there own. Serious double standards.
Overpriced stuff to try and fix non-existent issues. Everybody flying normal frame with cheap stacks, cheap motors and no stab without any jerks or vibrations created by the frames. Been flying the impulserc apex for years and never had any issues that required a redesign of the frame which is bulletproof. What is the market for these frames and motors? Clearly is not freestyle or race or cinematic as you don't see many pilots flying it. Thanks for the review Ian.
People buying this are the same ones that fly default pids and filters and use rsgo, hypersmooth or gyroflow so again none of these BS helps in any way.
Honeslty i dnt care chris is a prat his motors are not in right place over priced etc real bando bashers will send anythink uve built crash and rebuild too much messin about ! Just built wot u can afford and send ittt !!! Simplesss
Re the motor names if you want them to be easily recognisable by purpose then just call them powerful 5" motors. None of those confusing numbers. I mean if they are 22.4mm by 6.9mm then 2207 is fair. But if they are 23.7mm and 8.2mm high, then they shouldn't be called 2207s for comparison purposes that just muddies the water. If they are as efficicent as as 2207 but they are actually 2409s, then that's great they are super effocient. But you can't compare them fairly unless you know what they are or unless you want to totallyy throw away the motor naming convention. Then of course every one will just call their motors "very efficient, super powerful 5" motors" (or 3" or 7" or whatever). And then we're back to no basis for comparison. Essentially if you are gonna misrepresent the motor size, then just sell it on kv, eficiency and power - and find a way to quantify those that every one can agree on. Or we will just be going to meaningless marketing names: "Would you like to buy some Power Sexy Tiger GTXs - they're super duper powerful, highly efficient - the most efficient motors - for 5" quads that will also attract the mate of your choice and grow your wee wee by %30 ?" AKA would you like to buy some Trumps?
Chris Tosser charging a premium to be patronised by someone who flies around an open field... If you are going to charge people to have your name on their kit, you should at least be an inspirational/good/famous pilot. This guy it appears to me is making video's telling everyone how awesome he is and then releasing products to the viewers based on the credibility he gave himself. I would rather spend my cash on Albert Kim products...
Not really he probably dont want to waste hours and hours on a sim, as flying skills has very little to do with testing frame resonance or making a motor that i think is the best option for a 5inch because the thrust is amazing for that motor and calling him a tosser is a bit much unless he has tossed you off how would you know this? Please explain?
@@kerrymillar4981 If he had a background and something worth charging for then why would he need sim time? Flying skill are what would QUALIFY his claims... I did not call him a tosser? I changed 1 letter in the name he uses publicly for profit and you have an issue for him why?
I bought the cine25 frame when it came out last December. Frame broke on maiden. Got a new one from cnc madness. Frame broken on maiden. CF was crap and severely under spec, parts were missing and/or wrong size (standoffs), and it was the worst piece of garbage ever. Buyer beware.
@@SkeezyFPV I wanted a cine25 or 35 after a year away from flying myself, but when I looked into them it was just Mr Rosser telling us how awesome he is and how he has redefined flight and improved everything up to the next level... All the hype traced back to him. (cringe) He is probably a really nice guy but he comes across to me as a bit of a d1ck, the sort of guy you could drown by placing a mirror in the bath...
Very Nice colour the blue aluminium of the frame. What a pity when could only find it in black on all shops. One month I try to tune my pirate frame with these f***ing motor, I tuned in one day with the wasp majors. I think this is just a marketing shit.
I'm convinced the motor sizing debacle was just a marketing gimmick. I think if he never said anything, and it's within the same rough size of a 2207, nobody would even bother measuring it or care.
This makes sense. Lol he got me on the reason number 2 ,to minimize confusion. Just put the correct size and there should be no confusion.
Any update on motor or the frame testing?
I think one of the most important parts of a frame is being able to get replacement parts. With the exception of impulse RC and TBS source One you spend $100 on a frame and in a few months its obsolete. I still fly my reverb and my Apex cuz I can get parts for them.
Hey Ian! Did you ever get around to flying this bad boy or did the flying bit not go as well as expected?
No update on the motor or the frame part 2?
Boy that frame looks very familiar
Best combination until version 6 of the best ever frame and version 2 of the best ever "2207" motors comes along of course!. I envy his science knowledge as much as his marketing skills! 😁
This is how I’m feeling also. I’m on my 3rd version of this frame now. 2 of which were not compatible so all the spare parts were rendered useless. Now this one will be a fresh start also. Think I’m just gonna stick with Quadmula from here.
@@xORLOCKxI haven’t looked back. It seriously does fly better. I had the exact same set up on both frames and I’d pick the Quadmula up every time. Also as u said it’s a lot stronger. Sneeze at a camera plate on the AOS and it starts splintering.
I need pt.2 in my life asap. Lol
With the weather here in the U.K. it’s going to be a few weeks. It’s been un flyable for the last 2 weeks and it’s getting worse from here right now.
@@MadRC nooooo, find somewhere to fly that thing inside. 🤣🤣🤣
@@MadRC still no good weather? Waiting on that test flight video. Lol
mine has that rattle you speak of. I thought it was the tune and then I put on another build with Kiss Ultra V2 and the rattle was still there.... What is that all about????
Heya Ian, great overview. Looking forward to the "deep dive" you'll inevitably be doing!
One question I hope you'll be able to answer... how different are these from the RCINPOWER GTS V4 2207 motors (black&gold) that are already on the market? The V4s are already eye-wateringly expensive, are they essentially the same motor?
Thanks again, appreciate your enthusiasm and attention to detail!
Chris did some motor testing with the RCinPower 'Wasp Major', his 'Supernova', and a few others. These two videos may help you in comparing.
Chris's Supernova:
th-cam.com/video/WO1D0krt24E/w-d-xo.html
Wasp Major and others:
th-cam.com/video/xBTAL0i3BAM/w-d-xo.html
I just built a apex evo on rcinpower wasp major 1860's I may purchase this as well for comparison
That´s a sweet setup. Enjoy.
Ordering mine tonight. What size 03 cable do I need?
Big problem straight away Ian. If I’m paying a premium price for a frame I expect the FPV isolation mounts to be included, who has a 3D printer? Also you need a 20cm 03 cable at another £15 or so. Chris can bleat on forever about resonances but unless he supplies the parts he’s missing out on the biggest part of the market. He should follow ApexRC’s lead and give buyers a reason to buy. I’m out.
Was hoping everything would be included for this price as well. I also have major issues keeping the battery from ejecting with this shape of the top plate
Same here, had to buy the TPU rigid camera plate, without it the jello was evident on the AOS 5
You mean who doesn't have a 3d printer in 2023? 😂 amazing how people find any excuse to complain about something
Well, I have 3x3D Printers all around 300mm Bed size.
But I agree, for this price it should definitely be included, especially that damn cable. They could buy in bulk and save a lot. But now we consumers have to get our hands on a single overpriced cable...
CNC Madness probably forgot to include half the parts. Mentioning their name makes this frame a hard pass for me. Plus the top and bottom plate look weak. Maybe it’s good in parks with lots of grass idk
How much is the frame weight? Lighter than the 5 evo?
Awesome overview, Ian! Thanks! 😃
Looking forward to the flight video!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
I love Chris and all the things he does and has done for FPV, but man, is that an ugly frame.
Another one... Too many versions in such a short time. Also he claimed that he's previous designs are revolutionary in case of vibrations and now he's coming back to the basic design. Feel like he's just throwing products to make money..
Agreed. Won't buy any of his branded over priced products. There are too many other products that are just as good and cost much less. He's a PT Barnum.
Great video, love the ruler…
Yes it looks great, where do I get one?
I'm in the UK and about to order a new drone, I can't find spare arms anywhere for this anyone got any suggestions
Wait. The confusion was created when he decided to play games with the size of the motor. Cheers to Ian for having Chris barf out that exuse😆😆 I wouldnt have done it either. I guess my audi 5 cylinder motor can just be classified as a 4 cylinder motor class to minimize confusion. Its only one more cylinder😂😂
Are you going to do a follow-up on this video?
There is close to no major things I can add. I discussed it extensively in my live streams. The quad flies good and the motors are Ok. Expensive high end motors yes but no complaints. I would not suggest them for bando bashing due to the replacement cost but if you looking for high quality motors and want to support Chris then go for it.
@MadRC surprises me. When i put the motors on an exact same build with eco2 motors i have been flying i had to drop the motors to 60% throttle vs the eco2 motors that were at 100% in order to get a similar flight. Its odd how you and a handful of other reviewers all said they were going to do a follow up and if you look on YT no reviewers did a follow up. I watch most of your live streams so i must have missed it. You are one of the last reviewers i actually listen to. Appreciate the work you put in.
Ohhhhh yes the PRESSED NUTS….. I’ll be there with bells on…… you cant threaten me with a good time!!!! 😂😂
Why do these experts not anticipate the standard 03 system, this one needs a special cable, JB’s do not offer soft mount for his frame. Just saying, maybe they are still stuck in the analog world? Not trying to be negative, but do like the digital world. And would be nice to get frames that cater to the 03 system.
Lol but v6 should be out next week!
Why does he charge such a premium over comparable frames? I like the look of the 3.5in V5 frame, but it is $64. You can get a flyfish volador 3.5 for $30 and that has all the printed stuff and everything included. I cannot imagine the anti-vibration tech is worth paying more than double. He should be a little more realistic.
Standoffs on top of press nuts is the worst design choice I have seen in recent frame design.
And then on washers in back to compensate for the height difference…. Oof! 🤦🏻♂️
I just don't get what Chris is trying to fix? Resonance what? Any good frame with good motors and good stack flies without any weird resonance or vibrations and for us pilots from team no stab we can provide proof if required 🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like he is attending business school classes at the same school as Tim Cook from Apple and just released the best of everything every year to make money lol
@@ClareFPV lets not forget bf does 99% of the lifting
@@Sugar_K this is what I was going to say. BF defaults and a well built kwad is 99% of the way. Keen to see this magic frame with cheap motors, stacks and props to see how it performs
I fell into the trap of the "Chris Rosser" gimmick buying the V1 frame which flew ok but breaks easy in a bando crash.
Now we are on Version 5 where he is claiming this is the best one , are you sure this time Chris🤔or will these frames be like iphones ?
Same gimmick going on with the motor , claiming its a 2207 when in reality its bigger and a battery scoffer.
Think I will stick to a source one v5 frame , xing ecos and a speedybee and send it 🙃
Nice nice
Wich motores do you have ?
I’m not sure tbh, all I know is the title says Supernova, perhaps that’s a hint 🤷♂️
This frame looks pretty ugly... But its a great design : easy to build and repair, strong, roomy, no props in view, xt60 mounting, toilet tank mounting option... Its a well thought out frame, much better than the original designs.
Where do I get that ruler?
They should be labeled 22.5-07.5 but i think they should all have dash so it’s easy to read and write it on the motor if you want to do a good job! As it looks like a good motor
2308... You always round up for .5 and over. If it is .4 and below we round down if .5 and up we round up... Chris is an Engineer he knows this.
No rounding when it's precise, many motors list .5 in their dimensions. I do agree with both though that the motors are larger than 2207 like Chris would like us to believe, otherwise he would list the stator size in the dimensions of the motor on the page, which conveniently neglects this. @@dimonik12
@@rodneylake2 My point was a bit unclear, IF the motors were .5 over and Chris has chosen to not be precise, he should of rounded up and he knows this, this suggests to me that the difference is under 0.5 as Chris an Engineer would be ripped to shreds for being a liar and incompetent if he rounded .5 or over down to 22.
@@dimonik12 oh okay I understand. I watched a video on TH-cam where a bloke measured the motor stator using calipers and they were 23mm
@@rodneylake2 Ha, I had guessed more like .3/4 maybe but a complete lie is not totally unexpected from anybody cashing in.
I want to like AOS as a Brit I like local but he is just so full of shi... I cant even pretend.
This frame is not an easy build (revised from garbage). I bought it and it has so many problems. It doesn't come with all the screws to put it together, the screws for the arms stick up into the ESC, it doesn't come with any of the TPU stuff that all frames come with now, it doesn't come with stack bolts (I had to file my own down to fit), you have to replace the coaxial cable to the 03 unit, it feels like a $30 frame. The 3d prints on the web site don't include a GPS mount, so you will have to design your own. Also, the arm guards soft mount your motors. I have the AOS evo 5, absolutely the best drone I own. This frame is a huge step backwards.
(After my first thoughts on this frame I have to add, now that I completed it. It is a good frame, but not for beginners. I had to make all my own cables to make everything reach, such as the 03-wiring harness, and relacing the 03-camera cable. I had to design all new TPU parts for everything on this build. So, you better have a 3D printer. I take back my original comment of garbage because it really is a high-quality frame, it just needs a little too much work.)
No stack screws is correct
No TPU parts is correct.
However if you have bolts coming though the pressed nuts they are the wrong ones as I don’t have that.
@@MadRC The screws are pretty apparent where they go and one of the ones that goes through the middle arm press nut, I had to file down because it sticks up into the stack.
To me, the frame design is a step in the wrong direction. It looks heavy and ugly.☹️
Would love to see you build up an AOS 3.5 V5
Would like to see a video of this thing flying Ian without any stabilization and you ripping to prove me wrong.
Almost every time I crash my AOS 5 O3 V1 my battery ejects and I have to fix the XT60/balance. 23mm standoffs don’t allow for a decent battery strap to fit between top of stack and top plate. The rear curve in top plate doesn’t allow for a second strap to fit on my batteries. It’s stopping me from flying hard and I’m disappointed nothings changed in this revision after voicing this everywhere I can and being a patreon for a long time.
Use Velcro straps for the battery much better tan any pad.
Wierd, Iv never had a battery eject from mine. I use 2 kevlar straps and umagrip.
looks like the apex..........!!! waiting for the next 3 versions until January
I haven't bought a new phone in 4 years even though Samsung releases one every year. It's almost like I, as the consumer, can choose what I want to buy while the manufacturer is free to innovate, improve, and capture new customers. I dont get the whining about the rapid versioning... Dont buy it if you dont want a new frame. Its really that simple. No reason to be butt hurt that an update happened.
I wouldn’t buy another AOS frame or anything else made by CNC Madness. Or Rosser for that matter just because he continues to use that God awful company to cut frames. I’ve had nothing but disappointment and zero response from Rosser when commenting in his videos regarding the issues
I still think the incorrect labeling is misleading. It makes me wonder why label them at all if the label cannot be interpreted without watching the launch film. Might as well label then 5"inch motors.
why is the front sooooo long waste of carbon/weight , means it wont work with default mipi and looks fugly sorry chris
In my opinion It is an ugly quad… But I do appreciate beauty is in the eye of the beholder… and no doubt it is a well engineered quad.
Props out of camera view is the reasoning. We have had a dozen long nose frames like this over the years. But I agree it’s weird and significantly less durable. I generally stay away from them, except for cruising builds, where crashes are significantly less likely.
Most of the people I know mount VTX in the front, ESC in the middle and FC in the back on 3 mounting spot frames. I have my signature freestyle frame that’s exactly like this. Ultra slammed, exceedingly durable, and perfect centre of gravity.
Also mounting the FC in the back gives you significantly better tune-ability and flight performance as it’s away from the vibrations coming from the arms.
My OG Apex builds are like this too with the ESC and VTX in the centre and FC in the back.
No resonance cutouts required. 😜
Also: for reference, the only long nose frame I have ever actually enjoyed was the Stan FPV Feather.
That long frame and thin top and bottom plates are begging to snap in half
Please do a crash test.
It won’t hold up. The top and bottom plates have too many cutouts, they are too thin, cnc madness uses crap cf, and the length will make it an eggshell only suitable for grassy parks and fields. Standby for v6 😂
😂 if you know , you know
LOL!! The motor size thing is plainly deceptive. He's comparing them to smaller motors implying that they're the same "class"? What the hell does that mean? Yeah, specific dimensions are important.
A heavy weight is a mid weight... righttttttt..
I just think it’s wrong when someone is allowed to tear apart every other manufacturers claims and figures and then doesn’t publish/ lies about there own. Serious double standards.
should just be called for what it is.. let the customer decide, provide correct specs and charts so we can apply it in the applications we choose to
Overpriced stuff to try and fix non-existent issues. Everybody flying normal frame with cheap stacks, cheap motors and no stab without any jerks or vibrations created by the frames. Been flying the impulserc apex for years and never had any issues that required a redesign of the frame which is bulletproof. What is the market for these frames and motors? Clearly is not freestyle or race or cinematic as you don't see many pilots flying it. Thanks for the review Ian.
People buying this are the same ones that fly default pids and filters and use rsgo, hypersmooth or gyroflow so again none of these BS helps in any way.
Honeslty i dnt care chris is a prat his motors are not in right place over priced etc real bando bashers will send anythink uve built crash and rebuild too much messin about ! Just built wot u can afford and send ittt !!! Simplesss
My $14 Eco II 1900KV are fine enough Mr Rosser.
Re the motor names if you want them to be easily recognisable by purpose then just call them powerful 5" motors. None of those confusing numbers.
I mean if they are 22.4mm by 6.9mm then 2207 is fair. But if they are 23.7mm and 8.2mm high, then they shouldn't be called 2207s for comparison purposes that just muddies the water. If they are as efficicent as as 2207 but they are actually 2409s, then that's great they are super effocient.
But you can't compare them fairly unless you know what they are or unless you want to totallyy throw away the motor naming convention.
Then of course every one will just call their motors "very efficient, super powerful 5" motors" (or 3" or 7" or whatever).
And then we're back to no basis for comparison.
Essentially if you are gonna misrepresent the motor size, then just sell it on kv, eficiency and power - and find a way to quantify those that every one can agree on.
Or we will just be going to meaningless marketing names:
"Would you like to buy some Power Sexy Tiger GTXs - they're super duper powerful, highly efficient - the most efficient motors - for 5" quads that will also attract the mate of your choice and grow your wee wee by %30 ?"
AKA would you like to buy some Trumps?
they aren't that far off of 2207 and mad's calling the stator size numbers also
Chris Tosser charging a premium to be patronised by someone who flies around an open field... If you are going to charge people to have your name on their kit, you should at least be an inspirational/good/famous pilot.
This guy it appears to me is making video's telling everyone how awesome he is and then releasing products to the viewers based on the credibility he gave himself. I would rather spend my cash on Albert Kim products...
Not really he probably dont want to waste hours and hours on a sim, as flying skills has very little to do with testing frame resonance or making a motor that i think is the best option for a 5inch because the thrust is amazing for that motor and calling him a tosser is a bit much unless he has tossed you off how would you know this? Please explain?
@@kerrymillar4981 If he had a background and something worth charging for then why would he need sim time?
Flying skill are what would QUALIFY his claims... I did not call him a tosser? I changed 1 letter in the name he uses publicly for profit and you have an issue for him why?
I bought the cine25 frame when it came out last December. Frame broke on maiden. Got a new one from cnc madness. Frame broken on maiden. CF was crap and severely under spec, parts were missing and/or wrong size (standoffs), and it was the worst piece of garbage ever. Buyer beware.
@@SkeezyFPV I wanted a cine25 or 35 after a year away from flying myself, but when I looked into them it was just Mr Rosser telling us how awesome he is and how he has redefined flight and improved everything up to the next level... All the hype traced back to him. (cringe)
He is probably a really nice guy but he comes across to me as a bit of a d1ck, the sort of guy you could drown by placing a mirror in the bath...
Eh-he-he thumbs up for that comment bro
Very Nice colour the blue aluminium of the frame. What a pity when could only find it in black on all shops. One month I try to tune my pirate frame with these f***ing motor, I tuned in one day with the wasp majors.
I think this is just a marketing shit.
Putting a patent on a cut out is pretty lame IMO. I like Chris and what hes doing for the Hobby but C'mon.
and calling it technology, lol.
first!
Hard pass