As a blind user of the distro myself, I will say this, it is a damn site easier than installing Arch Linux from scratch, though I have done that. Next time, try doing the install with the keyboard only, since most of us who are totally blind cannot use a mouse. To make it even more fun, try it with a blindfold.
I 100% agree, but it is awesome that some light is shed on the sort of project. I believe there is an Arch installer that has the accessibility by default.
It should be noted that a blind user would rarely if ever use a mouse. Most of the time we simply cannot. The way you would navigate through your computer is by using the arrow keys and tab to move from item to item, and the enter key to click. There are of course more advanced techniques, but that should give you an idea of how things are supposed to work. If you were to press up and down arrow while on your desktop or file manager, Orca would announce the currently selected item. If you were to tab through a dialogue such as a settings interface, Orca would announce the currently selected control, which type of control it is (textbox/ listbox etc) and other relevant information. Just moving your mouse over icons will not produce meaningful results, because blind accessibility is heavily based on keyboard focus. You see, the term 'screen reader' is actually something of a misnomer. It doesn't read the screen at all. What it actually does is query the underlying OS for information about a GUI as exposed by the application. If the application doesn't expose the proper information in the proper way, then the application is inaccessible, unless you can overcome the application's shortcomings using advanced OCR based solutions (but for now this is pretty much relegated to the expensive Windows-based solutions you mentioned, namely Jaws).
Thank you for raising awareness about Accessible-Coconut. I am not visually impaired but over the years, I have seen specialised distros like this come and go: Oralux, Sonar, Vinux, HandyLinux, talking arch, Tarch. Let's hope that this one lives a bit longer.
What a service! Thank you for showing this! A few weeks ago, RoboNuggie did an excellent video on accessibility tools that are readily available for FreeBSD. It seems that this important topic -- software freedom for persons with disabilities -- is getting some attention from more than one of my favorite TH-cam channels at about the same time!
I am blind, and I am happy to say that arch Linux now officially includes an option to boot with speech. This means that distributions like anarchy linux can be installed and configured without cited help. I actually installed a minimal arch installation with anarchy a couple of weeks ago, it was fun. It actually wasn’t all that minimal because I installed mate, but it wasn’t as bloated as the full configurations of ubuntu or debian, Which also are completely accessible
except anerchy doesn't have the option and the archinstall scripts are not accessible, this is due to pure laziness on the arch devs side as archinstall has been broken since may
Thank you for putting this on the radar. I appreciate you exploring a subject you're not familiar with. I'm totally blind, and always looking for a GUI Linux distro that's accessible, and also has a console screen-reader. Just a tip with a screen-reader most of them will instantly pause speech if you press the control key.
If you are looking for a TH-camr, I would totally recommend Jordan Livesey. He uses both windows and Linux and there are tutorials such as installing Arch, Accessible Coconut, or Linux Mint. He demonstrates how to properly configure the screen reader in a main stream distribution like those.
I myself have tried several distributions such as fedora, stock Debian, pop OS, and Elementary OS. The only ones that are GU I based that I would recommend are in Linux Mint and Papa was with the MATE desktop installed afterward.
Cheers Steve. Thank you for such a thought provoking video on an important topic. I wonder if there are any visually challenged/impaired users/TH-camrs out there that could show us how they setup their computers to be useful and productive tools for them. I appreciate the courage to explore this subject matter even if it is outside your comfort zone.
J record a video, open youtube, go to the create tab, hit upload, select the video, hit next untill you get to the screen for putting the name and discription, fill it out, and boom!
@@coside7672 thanks for the mention, yes I've done a video on the installation of linux mint, as well as accessible coconut, am planning to do debian next
Happy to see someone takes on these kind of distros. It is a small user group that needs something like this so I am pleased that someone cares about the userbase not the times video has been watched and how much they can make with it. I really like Coconut, still not perfect but really getting there. Thanks!
I'm really glad that Lennox has this. A friend of mine told me about this video. The only thing I don't like about it, and I will have to obviously research it or download it myself, is that I definitely would want to control the speed in which it relays it's messages to me or it's content. I'm actually blind. I have a little vision left, but I know what you mean by being able to trace the mouse across something and it tell you what it is. This is a great feature though. And if you aren't used to it it definitely can be obnoxious haha! My best friend had to get used to it. I have it set on my phone, and she's always like oh my gosh is that thing ever going to shut up lol! It takes some getting used to but once you understand it, you definitely know how to work it better. Thank you for making this video I really appreciate it and I definitely am going to check this out. I haven't moved over to Lenox yet, but do you have to have Linux or a Linux compatibility on your computer in order to download this? I'm sorry I'm very new with all of this stuff,
@@OldTechBloke thank you! Thank you so much for answering my question. By the way! Has anyone ever told you you sound like Rob halford when you talk? Total compliment! Have a good day friend!
Just a couple more thoughts: totally blind people mostly use keystrokes, and don't use the mouse very much. Therefore, the arrow keys will move focus on the desktop and menus. ... Also, I'm subscribing to your channel, because I'm a techie geek, and I appreciate what you're doing with this video. Thanks again.
thank you very much, as a low vision person I had never heard of Coconut and I will give it a go and see what happens. i RECENTLY GOT 2 LARGE PRINT KEYBOARDS FROM AMAZON' (please excues my poor typing) It.s an AZIO and wonder of wonders it came with a large print manual, amazing I can read it!. As well both are back lit and allow light colour choice. Again Thanks to OTB for remembering we exist. Richard
before you try coconut, try either standard ubuntu or ubuntu mate or even linux mint mate eddition, you might find that those are a lot better and less bloated than coconut
That is a cool dstro for the folks that need it. So thanks for taking the time and effort that you used to showcase this distro! Ya can slow the speech down a bit so it is not no chatty and fast... :-) Thanks for the video! LLAP
Key echo makes it so you can choose when it tells you what keys are pressed, or when it just tells you what is on screen, and not telling you what keys you are pressing.
Oh I just love it when somebody who has vision takes the time to talk about accessibility for blind people. We need more people to help raise awareness to it. I'm sick of Apple because they're getting way too expensive and I don't want to use Microsoft anymore so a friend of mine convinced me to try linux out. i'd love to know some powerful DAWs that work with Linux. Also I wonder how the layout is if there's a start menu similar to windows or do you have to do interactions like on the Mac
Im so happy to see this! Do you know if this work on the raspberry pie machines? I have the 3 and the 4 and they'v been collectin dust because I can't really use them yet although Id love to put them to good use.
I think ill have to look at accessibility tools for my debian dwm build. one of my biggest fears is to go blind, will see if I can make a shortcut that triggers a "blind" mode where I don't need to see to navigate. I might even include a form of reader for my day to day when my eyes are tired.
Ouch. I am going to have to make a hard pass on this distro. I refuse to use Ubuntu for the most part. I am not saying anything about the users, the maintainers however are a completely different story. Thanks OTB this is an awesome video, and it is awesome that some are aware that low vision and the blind do want to use Linux. I'm gonna have to keep looking or go with the arch route and just figure it out.
Well, a distro really is a collection of packages, so to have good assistive technology on linux, we need to focus on packages, that said i find emacspeak together with a DE voice recognition (as Almond) would be perfect.
As a visually impaired user who had been toying with the idea of trying out a Linux distro with a screen reader, I am frankly shocked at how poor the voice synthesis is. This is akin to the voice on Windows XP and I find it actually difficult to understand, it's so robotic. Unless someone here can point me to a Linux screen reader that sounds as good as my Windows 10 voices, I'm afraid it's curtains for Linux for me.
I want to set up a computer that my blind brother can use to surf TH-cam for music videos... Need to know how to even begin... other than having a pc (which i got already)... He wants to be able to search youtube for videos... but some issues can arise.. Like.. too many search results coming up where I'm sure the PC would read them ALL off... stuff like that
Depend on the hearing. You could write some scripts for crossing an icon with a mouse and it "says" Brave,Open office,Print,Thunar, etc etc. Soon enough....maybe 30 -40 or so years after Younger than me Tech Bloke and I still had a diesel powered backhoe send us on our way. Them were the days !
I am good at computers, but, you should try in VM ware player. It is easier for blind people. Also, DITCH THE MOUSE! We do not use a mouse. Also, let it read everything on the screen.
I've tried Accessible Coconut before. Archlinux now has an option to boot with speech enabled so it's relatively easy for me to install. Distros like Coconut come with too much bloatware and are slower. It's still good that Linux devs are looking out for the visually impaired, but I Generally stay away from distros that have a lot of programs installed by default or that are based on Ubuntu. I like the freedom to customize my OS as I like so Arch works better for me
That’s definitely true yeah, I’m just looking for something to switch to from windows because windows isn’t very privacy friendly, I’ve already switched away from Google Chrome
just a shame the installer script no longer works with speekup, I now daily drive debian testing instead, also, AC is just an ubuntu remix and now nags you to get ubuntu pro in order to keep getting updates, they should have based on fedora instead
@@jordanlivesey4715 No, actually the script is still accessible. You need to turn the mode that espeakup uses to highlight tracking using the numpad multiply key before you type archinstall. The numpad multiply key is two keys over from the num lock. Sometimes it reads the script out, sometimes it doesn't, I just reboot until it does or if it really won't work I'll use numpad 4 and numpad 6 to check which option has a greaterthan sign next to it, which is how you can tell which option is highlighted. But I've installed arch plenty of times using this method and I use it as a daily driver.
@@maxbaykowski quick question, when making chromium accessible, does the same .bash profile commands used in fedora work, I have a copy of my old fedora config, also I did highlight tracking but it still doesn't work
That ubuntu pro stuff is annoying, that’s why I switched away from it on my server didn’t I no use debian stable, I quite don’t mind the outdated packages on a servant firemen were security is paramount, at least the do security updates and that’s all I care about, if I really want updated packages I can just add some third-party repository
this is not actually a distro, in short, its a ubuntu remix using cubic, so essencially all you are getting is ubuntu that can upgrade to the next release of ubuntu, its just been remixed, so you are still tied to canonical, also, its no longer getting full support
this isn't the only blind friendly distro. there are mainstream distros that come with a screen reader built in, all you need to do is turn it on with a keyboard shortcut. ubuntu was the main one but unity is discontinued and gnome itsself is not accessible, ubuntu mate is the new condendor and the developer martain wimpress is dedicated to keeping ubuntu mate accessible, also even linux mint, mate desktop eddition can be used reliabally, you just need to press alt, windows, and s together when live installer has finished booting, fedora used to be accessible you can not install it without needing sighted help, I myself am a visually impaired linux user and have used linux , ubuntu mate and the standard ubuntu as well as accessible coconut. debian isn't accessible even though it says it is, keep well away from debian, especially if you are visually impaired
Really, Debian isn't good on accessibility. I'm blind and ran Debian several years ago. Its accessibility wasn't great, but it was pretty standard for the time (5-6 years ago). A couple other blind people in these comments have said that Debian and Ubuntu are accessible to install and use? What is your experience?
@@theheathbar123 have a go at installing the latest debian,m sure you can use the text installer but it never let me install a desktop, now debian uses calamares which isn't accessible, if you want debian, your best bet is debian on wsl or lmde4
I wont comment your video , but I''ll just say too bad that I can not click on " like button" a billion times.... you're good .... PS: You should probably , get a more stady fix for your cam ... and love the hat.
This is just silly. It is wonderful that some one is giving it a try but this distro could not be used by a blind person without a sighted person doing an awful lot of configuration for them. There needs to be a much simpler desktop environment that focuses on a few basic computer functions and doing them well. I think the google alexa devices do much more for blind and partially sighted users.
Idk if you intended this but you sound rather condescending. "A few basic computer functions?" You do know blind people have been independently using computers with full system-wide screenreading programs for decades, right? (Especially on Windows) Some Other comments on this video confirm that in recent years a few blind users have installed Linux basically from scratch with a functional screenreader (Arch and Debian). In theory, a blind user wouldn't need any sighted help after the installer gets up and running (unless there's some particular program that's not accessible with the screenreader). Oh yeah and I'm blind, writing this with VoiceOver on an iPhone.
@@theheathbar123 my comment was really about giving s blind person total independence and self reliance. Most computer users just need a few basic functions to get most of what they need from a computer. I used to work in computers and specialised in user experience and interface design. There is also a need for simpler systems for those who cannot use keyboards or mice. Linux has a tendency to be over complicated under the guise of being feature-rich. It often excludes many groups of users but the opportunity is there to provide a better experience for all
As someone who uses jaws every day and has tried okta the linux screen reader I can say it is nowhere near as good as Jaws in terms of the synthesiser or ability to configure it also if someone would need to use a braille display I would imagine linux might not have the drivers for some popular models
That's why not many visual impaired people switch to linux it's about compatibility and use ability not just they don't want to and a lot of them may have never heard of linux
@@ajblack2410 That's the same answer I received from my blind users every time. And I just can't figure what exactly dou you want guys! I'm sure it can be replicated on gnu-linux but you have to be specific.
Have you tried using your computer just by using a screen reader that means you don't look at the screen you use the screen reader until you do gtfo with your ignorince and jaws has a free 40 minute demo mode
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As a blind user of the distro myself, I will say this, it is a damn site easier than installing Arch Linux from scratch, though I have done that. Next time, try doing the install with the keyboard only, since most of us who are totally blind cannot use a mouse. To make it even more fun, try it with a blindfold.
I 100% agree, but it is awesome that some light is shed on the sort of project. I believe there is an Arch installer that has the accessibility by default.
Brandt, you are right. Thank you for reminding us of this very important issue.
It should be noted that a blind user would rarely if ever use a mouse. Most of the time we simply cannot.
The way you would navigate through your computer is by using the arrow keys and tab to move from item to item, and the enter key to click. There are of course more advanced techniques, but that should give you an idea of how things are supposed to work. If you were to press up and down arrow while on your desktop or file manager, Orca would announce the currently selected item. If you were to tab through a dialogue such as a settings interface, Orca would announce the currently selected control, which type of control it is (textbox/ listbox etc) and other relevant information.
Just moving your mouse over icons will not produce meaningful results, because blind accessibility is heavily based on keyboard focus.
You see, the term 'screen reader' is actually something of a misnomer. It doesn't read the screen at all. What it actually does is query the underlying OS for information about a GUI as exposed by the application. If the application doesn't expose the proper information in the proper way, then the application is inaccessible, unless you can overcome the application's shortcomings using advanced OCR based solutions (but for now this is pretty much relegated to the expensive Windows-based solutions you mentioned, namely Jaws).
Thank you for raising awareness about Accessible-Coconut. I am not visually impaired but over the years, I have seen specialised distros like this come and go: Oralux, Sonar, Vinux, HandyLinux, talking arch, Tarch. Let's hope that this one lives a bit longer.
What a service! Thank you for showing this! A few weeks ago, RoboNuggie did an excellent video on accessibility tools that are readily available for FreeBSD. It seems that this important topic -- software freedom for persons with disabilities -- is getting some attention from more than one of my favorite TH-cam channels at about the same time!
I am blind, and I am happy to say that arch Linux now officially includes an option to boot with speech. This means that distributions like anarchy linux can be installed and configured without cited help. I actually installed a minimal arch installation with anarchy a couple of weeks ago, it was fun. It actually wasn’t all that minimal because I installed mate, but it wasn’t as bloated as the full configurations of ubuntu or debian, Which also are completely accessible
except anerchy doesn't have the option and the archinstall scripts are not accessible, this is due to pure laziness on the arch devs side as archinstall has been broken since may
Interesting ... So you don't need to install talking arch specifically?
@@harmonyln7 there's no talking arch period, the maintainer of talking arch is now part of the official arch team
Nice one OTB. I have a son with dyslexia, so screen readers are a huge part of his educational life. Gonna check this out in detail.
Thank you for putting this on the radar. I appreciate you exploring a subject you're not familiar with. I'm totally blind, and always looking for a GUI Linux distro that's accessible, and also has a console screen-reader. Just a tip with a screen-reader most of them will instantly pause speech if you press the control key.
If you are looking for a TH-camr, I would totally recommend Jordan Livesey. He uses both windows and Linux and there are tutorials such as installing Arch, Accessible Coconut, or Linux Mint. He demonstrates how to properly configure the screen reader in a main stream distribution like those.
I myself have tried several distributions such as fedora, stock Debian, pop OS, and Elementary OS. The only ones that are GU I based that I would recommend are in Linux Mint and Papa was with the MATE desktop installed afterward.
Cheers Steve. Thank you for such a thought provoking video on an important topic. I wonder if there are any visually challenged/impaired users/TH-camrs out there that could show us how they setup their computers to be useful and productive tools for them. I appreciate the courage to explore this subject matter even if it is outside your comfort zone.
I'll do it. What questions do you have?
Oh, but I use windows not Linux. Sorry if that makes a differents.
J record a video, open youtube, go to the create tab, hit upload, select the video, hit next untill you get to the screen for putting the name and discription, fill it out, and boom!
I would totally recommend Jordan Livesey. He covers windows and Linux content.
@@coside7672 thanks for the mention, yes I've done a video on the installation of linux mint, as well as accessible coconut, am planning to do debian next
Happy to see someone takes on these kind of distros. It is a small user group that needs something like this so I am pleased that someone cares about the userbase not the times video has been watched and how much they can make with it. I really like Coconut, still not perfect but really getting there. Thanks!
It's not a small user group. Just saying.
I'm really glad that Lennox has this. A friend of mine told me about this video. The only thing I don't like about it, and I will have to obviously research it or download it myself, is that I definitely would want to control the speed in which it relays it's messages to me or it's content. I'm actually blind. I have a little vision left, but I know what you mean by being able to trace the mouse across something and it tell you what it is. This is a great feature though. And if you aren't used to it it definitely can be obnoxious haha! My best friend had to get used to it. I have it set on my phone, and she's always like oh my gosh is that thing ever going to shut up lol! It takes some getting used to but once you understand it, you definitely know how to work it better. Thank you for making this video I really appreciate it and I definitely am going to check this out. I haven't moved over to Lenox yet, but do you have to have Linux or a Linux compatibility on your computer in order to download this? I'm sorry I'm very new with all of this stuff,
It’s an entire operating system so all you need is space to install it.
@@OldTechBloke thank you! Thank you so much for answering my question. By the way! Has anyone ever told you you sound like Rob halford when you talk? Total compliment! Have a good day friend!
Just a couple more thoughts: totally blind people mostly use keystrokes, and don't use the mouse very much. Therefore, the arrow keys will move focus on the desktop and menus. ... Also, I'm subscribing to your channel, because I'm a techie geek, and I appreciate what you're doing with this video. Thanks again.
thank you very much, as a low vision person I had never heard of Coconut and I will give it a go and see what happens. i RECENTLY GOT 2 LARGE PRINT KEYBOARDS FROM AMAZON' (please excues my poor typing) It.s an AZIO and wonder of wonders it came with a large print manual, amazing I can read it!. As well both are back lit and allow light colour choice.
Again Thanks to OTB for remembering we exist.
Richard
before you try coconut, try either standard ubuntu or ubuntu mate or even linux mint mate eddition, you might find that those are a lot better and less bloated than coconut
That is a cool dstro for the folks that need it. So thanks for taking the time and effort that you used to showcase this distro!
Ya can slow the speech down a bit so it is not no chatty and fast... :-)
Thanks for the video!
LLAP
I tried it but all it is is ubuntu, its not a distro at all, its pointless really when ubuntu provides that stuff out of the box
Great that you shown this, we all now know to help someone that might need this.
Key echo makes it so you can choose when it tells you what keys are pressed, or when it just tells you what is on screen, and not telling you what keys you are pressing.
I've never heard of this. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
Happy to help!
Oh I just love it when somebody who has vision takes the time to talk about accessibility for blind people. We need more people to help raise awareness to it. I'm sick of Apple because they're getting way too expensive and I don't want to use Microsoft anymore so a friend of mine convinced me to try linux out. i'd love to know some powerful DAWs that work with Linux. Also I wonder how the layout is if there's a start menu similar to windows or do you have to do interactions like on the Mac
Thank you for the video.
As a Windows user, looking to find my way out of that ecosystem… I think this would be a great substitute.
This seems to look like an interesting one. This may help visually-impaired people to interact with computers
I have in my mind a pic of Derek tossing monitors over his fence any day now. Damn bloat !
;-) ~
Im so happy to see this!
Do you know if this work on the raspberry pie machines?
I have the 3 and the 4 and they'v been collectin dust because I can't really use them yet although Id love to put them to good use.
No as far as I’m aware there isn’t a version for arm
@@OldTechBloke you could use ubuntu mate which works on arm and includes orca, alt f2, type orca, done. ready for use
Nice video OTB as always!
Can you please try some Tiny Core Linux ports like dcore for example?
I can try
I think ill have to look at accessibility tools for my debian dwm build. one of my biggest fears is to go blind, will see if I can make a shortcut that triggers a "blind" mode where I don't need to see to navigate. I might even include a form of reader for my day to day when my eyes are tired.
Thanks for the video! im teaching linux this semester to a blind student and i didnt know where to start.
How did it go. I am blind, 14, and want to learn. I am not asking you to teach me, or anything, just, how easy was it?
@@dontmindbeingblindd hi! The classes didnt start yet, but i've tried this distro on virtualbox and works really fine, and is based on Ubuntu mate,
Since the install the read screener works so i think is very useful.
Ouch. I am going to have to make a hard pass on this distro. I refuse to use Ubuntu for the most part. I am not saying anything about the users, the maintainers however are a completely different story. Thanks OTB this is an awesome video, and it is awesome that some are aware that low vision and the blind do want to use Linux. I'm gonna have to keep looking or go with the arch route and just figure it out.
there is the debian root as well as the slackware one with slint linux, you also have fedora
By the way, either control key Will immediately stop speech.
Well, a distro really is a collection of packages, so to have good assistive technology on linux, we need to focus on packages, that said i find emacspeak together with a DE voice recognition (as Almond) would be perfect.
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
otb going to try a arch os for the frist time going to try archman what do you think of this arch.
It's fine but for a first time install of an arch os I'd recommend endeavour
As a visually impaired user who had been toying with the idea of trying out a Linux distro with a screen reader, I am frankly shocked at how poor the voice synthesis is. This is akin to the voice on Windows XP and I find it actually difficult to understand, it's so robotic.
Unless someone here can point me to a Linux screen reader that sounds as good as my Windows 10 voices, I'm afraid it's curtains for Linux for me.
I want to set up a computer that my blind brother can use to surf TH-cam for music videos...
Need to know how to even begin... other than having a pc (which i got already)...
He wants to be able to search youtube for videos... but some issues can arise..
Like.. too many search results coming up where I'm sure the PC would read them ALL off...
stuff like that
Would a blind person use the mouse or the keyboard more?
Depend on the hearing. You could write some scripts for crossing an icon with a mouse and it "says" Brave,Open office,Print,Thunar, etc etc. Soon enough....maybe 30 -40 or so years after Younger than me Tech Bloke and I still had a diesel powered backhoe send us on our way.
Them were the days !
@@aldencp How do you read comments? I hope it is not a shore.
@@aldencp I am happy to read that you can use youtube even blind. Do you have any comment about the old bloke observations?
the keyboard can actually perform a few mouse functions so long as your screen reader supports it
I am good at computers, but, you should try in VM ware player. It is easier for blind people. Also, DITCH THE MOUSE! We do not use a mouse. Also, let it read everything on the screen.
virtual box is good too with NVDA, on linux, with have virt-manager, vm ware now requires you to pay for it and the free version is worthless
I've tried Accessible Coconut before. Archlinux now has an option to boot with speech enabled so it's relatively easy for me to install. Distros like Coconut come with too much bloatware and are slower. It's still good that Linux devs are looking out for the visually impaired, but I Generally stay away from distros that have a lot of programs installed by default or that are based on Ubuntu. I like the freedom to customize my OS as I like so Arch works better for me
That’s definitely true yeah, I’m just looking for something to switch to from windows because windows isn’t very privacy friendly, I’ve already switched away from Google Chrome
just a shame the installer script no longer works with speekup, I now daily drive debian testing instead, also, AC is just an ubuntu remix and now nags you to get ubuntu pro in order to keep getting updates, they should have based on fedora instead
@@jordanlivesey4715 No, actually the script is still accessible. You need to turn the mode that espeakup uses to highlight tracking using the numpad multiply key before you type archinstall. The numpad multiply key is two keys over from the num lock. Sometimes it reads the script out, sometimes it doesn't, I just reboot until it does or if it really won't work I'll use numpad 4 and numpad 6 to check which option has a greaterthan sign next to it, which is how you can tell which option is highlighted. But I've installed arch plenty of times using this method and I use it as a daily driver.
@@maxbaykowski quick question, when making chromium accessible, does the same .bash profile commands used in fedora work, I have a copy of my old fedora config, also I did highlight tracking but it still doesn't work
That ubuntu pro stuff is annoying, that’s why I switched away from it on my server didn’t I no use debian stable, I quite don’t mind the outdated packages on a servant firemen were security is paramount, at least the do security updates and that’s all I care about, if I really want updated packages I can just add some third-party repository
this is not actually a distro, in short, its a ubuntu remix using cubic, so essencially all you are getting is ubuntu that can upgrade to the next release of ubuntu, its just been remixed, so you are still tied to canonical, also, its no longer getting full support
this isn't the only blind friendly distro. there are mainstream distros that come with a screen reader built in, all you need to do is turn it on with a keyboard shortcut. ubuntu was the main one but unity is discontinued and gnome itsself is not accessible, ubuntu mate is the new condendor and the developer martain wimpress is dedicated to keeping ubuntu mate accessible, also even linux mint, mate desktop eddition can be used reliabally, you just need to press alt, windows, and s together when live installer has finished booting, fedora used to be accessible you can not install it without needing sighted help, I myself am a visually impaired linux user and have used linux , ubuntu mate and the standard ubuntu as well as accessible coconut. debian isn't accessible even though it says it is, keep well away from debian, especially if you are visually impaired
Really, Debian isn't good on accessibility. I'm blind and ran Debian several years ago. Its accessibility wasn't great, but it was pretty standard for the time (5-6 years ago). A couple other blind people in these comments have said that Debian and Ubuntu are accessible to install and use? What is your experience?
@@theheathbar123 have a go at installing the latest debian,m sure you can use the text installer but it never let me install a desktop, now debian uses calamares which isn't accessible, if you want debian, your best bet is debian on wsl or lmde4
I wont comment your video , but I''ll just say too bad that I can not click on " like button" a billion times.... you're good ....
PS: You should probably , get a more stady fix for your cam ... and love the hat.
Thanks Flo, the cam is on a desk stand and the desk shakes when I lean on it :-)
@@OldTechBloke Hmm now... since you brought it up , are you saying that you ain't no lightweight? :D
This is just silly. It is wonderful that some one is giving it a try but this distro could not be used by a blind person without a sighted person doing an awful lot of configuration for them. There needs to be a much simpler desktop environment that focuses on a few basic computer functions and doing them well. I think the google alexa devices do much more for blind and partially sighted users.
Idk if you intended this but you sound rather condescending. "A few basic computer functions?" You do know blind people have been independently using computers with full system-wide screenreading programs for decades, right? (Especially on Windows) Some Other comments on this video confirm that in recent years a few blind users have installed Linux basically from scratch with a functional screenreader (Arch and Debian). In theory, a blind user wouldn't need any sighted help after the installer gets up and running (unless there's some particular program that's not accessible with the screenreader).
Oh yeah and I'm blind, writing this with VoiceOver on an iPhone.
@@theheathbar123 my comment was really about giving s blind person total independence and self reliance. Most computer users just need a few basic functions to get most of what they need from a computer.
I used to work in computers and specialised in user experience and interface design.
There is also a need for simpler systems for those who cannot use keyboards or mice. Linux has a tendency to be over complicated under the guise of being feature-rich. It often excludes many groups of users but the opportunity is there to provide a better experience for all
there is, have a look at debian, there is an option in the net installer to boot with speech
Also, if you can, get a better voice for the screenreader. It will make you feell less mad at is, if you know what I mean.
You should have used RH voice. Much better quality.
i used to use that a lot on my phone
Blind users are difficult. They're used to work with windows Jaws. Don't want to learn anything at all, is sad.
As someone who uses jaws every day and has tried okta the linux screen reader I can say it is nowhere near as good as Jaws in terms of the synthesiser or ability to configure it also if someone would need to use a braille display I would imagine linux might not have the drivers for some popular models
That's why not many visual impaired people switch to linux it's about compatibility and use ability not just they don't want to and a lot of them may have never heard of linux
@@ajblack2410 That's the same answer I received from my blind users every time. And I just can't figure what exactly dou you want guys! I'm sure it can be replicated on gnu-linux but you have to be specific.
Have you tried using your computer just by using a screen reader that means you don't look at the screen you use the screen reader until you do gtfo with your ignorince and jaws has a free 40 minute demo mode