One Year Ago Overwatch Tank Duos Died.....
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I still remember seeing my Tank queue partner in a game against me on ow2 for the first time. I really felt that Obi Wan quote:
"You were my brother Anakin! I loved you!"
It does feel that way indeed 😿
We went from tank synergy to tank counter swapping, feelsbadman
Indeed
I miss it
so much pain
Remember when these content creators were pushing the “counterpicking isn’t real” statement into our heads? Sadge
I miss rein zarya, one game in particular on hanamura of all maps with an ana with perfect nanos, me on rein with amazing shatters and a zarya with perfect bubbles, and no mics no less, just natural synergy
I miss OW1. You don't realize what you have until it was gone. And you couldn't predict how bad things would get.
When they said ow2 was gonna be 5v5 I said this is gonna be trash immediately
@@nathancasey7712 I wasn't a big fan of 5v5 either especially during all the beta's I got to participate in.
@@KyriousSame, I played about 3 games and went straight back to OW1 6v6.
It's really not that bad. I've played OW 1 since launch and I'm not sad to see it gone. I honestly stopped playing overwatch around a year before OW2, after putting in almost 1000 hours on Lucio alone, with over 100 hours on like 7 other characters. OW 2 brought me back and I'm back to playing daily.
@@FringeSpectre yea but u said Lucio... The guy they didint really change.... Wild that supports love this game but can't figure out why tanks and DPS fucking hate it. shocked 😲
Back when overwatch was a daily game for me … can’t stand what they are doing now days
I used to stream it maining sig/Orisa. Now my camera and mic are collecting dust🫠
Bro fr had periods just playing ow1 daily and having the time of my life
God it feels weird seeing Rein do so much more damage. It's still in my muscle memory how good he was and it actually makes me realise how they reduced the amount of tanks and just made his damage potential lower.
it pisses me off so much. tanks feel like paperweights now when you reach a certain rank, and it's so unfun to play.
I miss my tank duo buddy
Same man..
Try and remember the ow games with the feeding flank hog. That's my cope
@@ThatGuy-em2yl Just switch Zarya, full charge off no brain hog, roll other team.
@@ThatGuy-em2yli even miss that, if you play around the feeding hog you can easily win games with his distraction, because he wasn't the only tank, if hog does that nowadays it's over😢
I miss the days where me and my homie would hop on tank and we would go ballistic and it was always hanamura that we did best on to for some reason but now a year later I’m the only one of ‘em who still clings to my dying love of overwatch
Back then my boy was dva and I was Orisa. Loved it. Now we flip on it before we queue up.
Zarya-Rein in lower elo was the most fun I’ve ever had in ow.
As a low masters Support in ow2, I’m miserable.
No matter what they add to ow2, I'll always miss the original. A year feels like enough time to give before moving on.
Game sucks now
5v5 dumbs down the game
- Tank is Awful to play Solo
- Supps have to be made OP or they cant defend themselves without an Off-Tank (Supports now have often better dueling than some DPS, they deal similar damage but have Heals/Invuls/TPs/CCs etc.)
- Snipers are more oppressive than ever before
- Off-Tanks feel weird/shit to play as Solo Tanks and just dont fit into 5v5
- "Teamfights" often dont exist, its just a deathmatch, theres no structure in fights
No SR Ranked, its not fun to grind ranked anymore, this 5W/15L bullshit sucks
No Account Levels to grind a cool border or farm free rewards
Overall the experience just got worse, the Competitive Player lost a lot of what made OW so special in the first place, because the game got dumbed down a lot
And the Casual lost lots of free rewards and the incentive to play got lower (They even removed Weekly Arcade Rewards)
Cant believe i spent 2 years being excited for this game, id take a dead OW1 that atleast was fun to play over this.
They should make a 6v6 mode for arcade just to see how it would work would be interesting at least
I think if they do that everyone will play it, and they know that 😂
@@raffyarceus99 major X to doubt on that one
It's so rough watching this and missing being able to duo queue any role and vibe with your mates.
I miss Orisa bongo and pull.
FeelsStrongMan Clap
"CEASE YOUR RESISTANCE" ...😭♥️
man I almost choke when the guy said "you still have the same laugh"
I wish we could play 6v6 in arcade as a permanent mode but at least you can ask to duo in open que or tripple or even 5 stack tanks if people run tanks only randomly or other ways
Seriously have an arcade 6v6 role queue. Perhaps they're afraid people would like it more.
@@Kyriousi think que times would be insanely long
tank duoing in open queue is pretty fun still surprisingly. especially when assault was back in the arcade rotation, it felt good.
6v6 just looks so chaotic compared to 5v5 when looking back at it. I hope they can make it a mode in the arcade or at-least an event just for nostalgia points.
Tank continues to be the insta-queue role.
When synergy turned into rock paper scissors 😂😂😂 legit i swap to paper when i seen rock so it such a good game.😂
Solved some problems but created so many more in its place even when my tank was bad I could go play qp but now it's not even worth playing an competitive player that swaps and that plays for there stupid challenges that encourage try Harding rather then just fun. I just leave and que DPS legit flats stop fence riding
ow2 just sucks in comparison.
I used to love flats and emong still do but it's like watching your favorite streamer get mad and fail at something it's funny for awhile but after a while you just want them to have fun and fool around and this game ain't that not anymore. Crazy to me they wanted to make this game more competitive while also killing the competitive scene fucking nuts.
Man, I cried when I watched the end of the original video. Retro really did a good job on that ending.
I remember my last game in ow1 was on volskaya and I was 6 stacking with the looking for group thing. Man the good ol days. I love ow2 but there's so many things I miss like my diamond border and rank on the icon.
I remember the last game of OW1 the whole lobby just sat on point and emoting
took a sip right before that shatter on the high noon. Almost spat out my coffee on my keyboard lol
the simple truth that popular people in the community keep ignoring is that the reason 2nd tank was removed is because the balance team couldn't do their job, they can't do their job now and they couldn't in ow1, trhe balance team was and always will be braindead af
I literally cant believe its been a year already.
I don't miss double shield QP on attack Anubis, with a bastion and a torb behind Rein/Orisa 🤣
Seeing this in 2024 and laying on the couch while losing some tears. Miss the good old days so much (s8 sucks)
1 year ago I was pretty sad loosing one of my fave duos on Overwatch Emong and Flats but also super excited for Overwatch 2 coming out and making the game feel different and more balanced and fun again, a year on I do still enjoy the game, but so much feels wrong with it and I have gone from only playing competative to only only playing quickplay now, and knowing 70%+ of the friends I used to play with on Overwatch 1 have gradually left due to being fed up with the ballance issues just makes me sad... I remember mentioning to them that this next year for overwatch is going to be insane and it will finally be treated like one of the great FPS shooters it can be, i was so wrong :(
im surprised they haven't come up with any sort of 6v6 at this point for arcade, I think it would be nice even if it was just for the fun of it as opposed to full time or comp
I remember the special balance patches that the streamers made. They were so much fun. Honestly should have hired you guys to balance the game forever haha
It's funny how much better the old UI looks.
Overwatch hasn't been the same since Flats and Emongg got divorced :(
6 years old
When we went to the war
To fight for a land fit for heroes
God on our sides
And a gun in our hands
Chasing our days down to zero..
And We marched
And We fought
And We bled
And We've died
And We never even get
Any older..
But We knew at the time
That a year in the line
Was a long enough life
For us Players..
we have to go back at this point lmao
Seeing what tank used to be hurt to much
So trippy to see killable orisa again
They should bring back 6 man as one of those limited time comp modes like the mystery hero’s
I miss two tanks
Miss 2 tanks ❤. Honestly, I felt like I took overwatch 1 for granted. Still miss lootboxes
I used to play every day. I’ve been a tank main all of Overwatch 1. Overwatch 2 killed my love for the game, and I played goats. I miss tank duos and having that support. Tank is so bad now I can’t play it anymore without wanting to uninstall the game.
I didn't even play overwatch 1 and i dropped a tear
I'm indifferent about tank duos but man I miss when tank 1v1s actually felt exciting and satisfying. Dueling a tank in OW2, especially as rein, feels like you're smacking someone with a wet noodle over and over. Too much hp/mitigation/healing, pin does substantially less damage, and firing at tanks in general builds ult so much slower due to the passive. It's hard to explain unless you were there, but in terms of power fantasy, tank is a shell of its former self these days
PERSONA MUSIC IN THE BG 🤭🤭🤭
May I ask which song from person is the first song in the beginning
Unfortunately, I couldn't witness the true end of Overwatch 1 myself. Had to be at work, so I could only watch videos of Flats and Emongg to feel with them, when Overwatch 1 truely shut down. One player after another disconnected, until the final player was gone. Brought a tear to my eye.
honestly one support + two tanks might be better than one tank + two supports
The second look on this video was more content compared to overwatch 2
God I miss being an off tank
1 year anniversary of overwatches death
I liked overwatch 2 the first few months but after support power creep it just doesnt feel like im really doing anything anymore.
It's kind of wild to think about where everything was a year ago how optimistic everyone was and how now it's just another struggling Blizzard IP.
It was back then too, no content for years besides skins, but yeah it sucks how everything has happened but at least we're getting heros and maps consistently
You really convinced yourself overwtach is struggling...
@ubadman1 The numbers don't lie, man. The game has a fraction of the players and buzz it did at launch.
I was never optimistic. 5v5 always sounded bad to me
@@ubadman1
You're really trying to convince yourself that it isn't. Lmfao
Strange how the inclusion of one character can make the bonds between players feel so complete, not even from a balance perspective. That dva mech zarya grav play was a great example of the fun of tank synergies, especially the bond between you and your fellow tank. You had each other's backs. You both tanked together. Now as a tank you have to stand as the lone warrior, taking all the brunt for your team, and getting none of the credit. You just 'do your job' or you 'feed'. Truly saddening times.
You got it perfect. As a tank you are no longer a part of a team but a resource for your team to use to win.
Fr. I need my tank duo buddy back to absolutely CARRY games again. Its not fun being forced to play 2 characters, do little impact on the game, and still get blamed for losing in the end. Tanks have never been worse
Tank duos were more important at lower ranks than high ranks just because it gave the tanks something to do other than sit there(i know that isnt the right way to tank). I get it was broken in the hands of gms, but the interaction was the fun part of the tank role at most ranks; it was inbuilt teamwork. the teamwork that originally made overwatch more fun than other fps.
It was broken in plat and diamond if the tanks queued together vs randoms
@@JebusChrust thats a matchmaking problem
Dude exactly Overwatch was never just supposed to be an FPS game, it was literally built on breaking away from traditional FPS aspects man :(
@KURENANI The issues with 5v5 are a matchmaking problem either. Bad tanks are being matched against good players and they whine that they get outplayed
Flats: Things are gonna get better
Also Flats: Yeah past me... Things are gonna get better...
This hurts to watch XD
That part of the video hurted my souls dude 😿😭
The loneliest role in overwatch
I used to be a tank main in OW but since the disrespect the tanks have gotten OW2, I’ve been dmg/sup mainly.
@@DeuceFrmEC. Same but I just dropped the game instead 💀
@@DeuceFrmEC Open queue is the only place I Tank.
@@Spider-Complexion I’m still barely holding on. Mostly because I convinced my girl to play with me. It’s vs AI but as long as she’s having fun, I’m happy. I just hope something improves so I can justify moving her to qp since she’s easily rolling bots at lethal.
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do!
Ended OW1 annoyed with Orisa, ending OW2 Year 1 still being annoyed with Orisa. The more things change the more they stay the same. RIP OW1.
I feel like after losing the tank duo synergy we kinda lost all team synergy. More people want to be able to do their own thing and have more impact and it used to feel like tanks kinda were fighting eachother while dps and supports battled/stayed alive keeping the tanks up. Now it's just kill the tank instantly and focus them and we win. No strategy, just swap to a bastion and orissa when your losing and do the same thing over and over again. At least in ow 1 we had to come up with strategies and plays much more
Precisely this. The old meta felt like a battle between roles whereas now its just everyone group up so we can steamroll the tank
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Facts
Utterly deliberate game design decision from blizzard
Its because now everyone expects the tank to lead, but then high dive heroes are more beneficial and those people dont coordinate
It's been one year since we lost Duo Tanks. I miss tanks feeling good.
Me too I can’t have fun on tank anymore because the opposing tank just swaps to counter me 😔
6v6 was better than 5v5, I used to think otherwise, but now I realise the system we have now isn't sustainable and cannot be balanced as effectively.
It can be balanced "easier" tho. Now that there is only one tank on the team, they can buff both supports and DPS however they feel like and only one player would feel useless.
It's very lazy approach, and 5v5 was just a bandage fix that only delayed the inevitable rework of most heroes, but hey, at least we've got.... uhh...
Three short story missions? I guess?
Don't cry because it's over, cry because it isn't over
When does it end
Where is my 6v6 double tank and dps doom then
RIP OW1. The true Game of All Time.
Litterally one of the games ever made
@@mickaeloliver_true but remember 5v5 is better even tho the game is worse and ppl can't figure out why 🤣🤣🤣 the about of copium from the player base and streamers is amazing. I am surprised there is still copium left in the world from this community
@@Flightkid90Yeah for some reason we just can't figure it out even though it's right on front of our faces.
Don’t worry y’all. Blizzard will fix OW2 by releasing brand new heroes you have to buy!
@@Spider-Complexion I can't wait to give Blizzard more money for the same thing I used to not have to give them any money for! 😂
I never believed tank duos were the problem that needed fixing but the type of skills tanks had back then that was the issue. Stuff like Bunker Orisa could have been entirely Adjusted into the style of character she is now instead of assisting in putting up so many walls that you couldn't even understand the terrain of a skirmish.
An extra person on the team led to more interesting synergies and play styles. The application of off and main tanking felt great. One game you're holding it down on rein, the next you're coming in from behind and bopping people out of position with ball and just being a pain, but your team still had someone on the front line.
What happened instead? We lost a ton more team variety due to player numbers, and although tanks were universally 'buffed' to compensate for one less tank, tanks have been arguably the least enjoyable role to play for a very long time in OW2 whilst simultaneously being arguably the least impactful yet simultaneously the most complained about. Every game has somebody raging, yelling Tank Diff, yet half the time, the tank can't even make too much happen unlike before. Heck, half the time, you're the most impactful as a tank to just not die. What thrilling gameplay.
The real solution was the team doing a better job on balancing but we all know that would never happen lmfao
so damn true. they didn't even buff them enough to compensate. say what you will about the meta being "healthier" but tank duoing is more fun imo. plain and simple.
The idea of Junker Queen + Zarya sounds fantastic. I hope they bring it with role queue as some arcade mode
It's dope!
Open Queue is where us OW1 olds can relive our heydays. XD
@@Cheebzsta I remember! Fast PC = gets to pick soldier. That's usually how it went.
rammatra rein also sounds cool af
Zarya ram, ram doom. Jq rein? So many fun combos lost
Queen + Hog just for the interactions of Hog being shy and well mannered
Riddle me this! If tanks can't make a difference, how come it's always a tank diff in all chat?
He actually explained in detail 💀
Genuinely some of the most fun content to watch was you and Emongg as a tank duo. It's really sad that we won't ever get to see it again.
Matches should be 10v10s, where we double the player count for each role
its crazy that overwatch 2 two has only been out for a year and recieves as much hatred as year 6 overwatch 1
Flats hearing himself saying that OW2 is gonna be a huge improvement is literally like the scene from Interstellar lmao
It's weird how playing tank felt more impactful in OW1 when you were only 1 of 2 tanks and the enemy team theoretically had more heroes that could stop you.
Man it just hurts looking back on earth shatter in overwatch 1 and rembering it used to be something to fear and look out for. Nowadays it just feels like a minor inconvenience. Feels bad.
Ever since brig was introduce, there has been so much healing creep and it carried over to OW2. To make it worse, OW2 support has immortality creep and mobility creep on top of that healing creep. Also, I wish they split Ana's primary to have different damage and healing value, so that they can reduce her healing while retaining her damage potential.
Support should not heal more than constant 55hps and up to 65hps if there are some downtime for window of opportunity for any kills. These days, support healing goes as high as 120hps, which is ridiculous.
The consensus of losing 1 tank was this, The Tank players were so few that it took very long to find 2 to fill every game (your video both proves and disproves this). And that it was easier to balance the game with 5v5, yeah you guys have been doing a great job guys...yeah
I believe 6v6 should still be playable in quick play, having the option to play 6v6 or 5v5 is way better than only being able to play 1 or the other
this would only expose how broken 5v5 is, and Blizzard doesn't want that
Open q should be 6v6
it would split queues too heavily.
we're already dividing queues between comp, qp, and the small portion of arcade, then the subcategory of open queue in both qp and comp.
however, 6v6 with role queue and open queue as a rotating arcade mode? count me in.
@@Daddix0 Nah it'd unite all the roles lmao everyone would realize how fun it is
@Daddix0 they could make 6v6 and 5v5 filters like role queue, whoever is host can select 1 or both
One year ago Tank Duos died…
…and the fun died alongside it.
It feels strange. I used to be a dva player. I loved playing the character while being able to support my second tank, or saving the healers from something that wouldn’t kill them nowadays. I was a console plat tank player back then.
Now, no matter what I do, I just don’t feel confident in being the one role anymore. I moved to PC, simultaneously rebranding to Kitsune before Kiriko came out (now I main her, big surprise) while moving into a support main. Why be the tank, when you can heal your tank and let them have a good time?
I havent finished this video but it really did have things that reminded me why I originally fell in love with original overwatch and you can still see sparks of why ow was gsme of the year
I'm so sad I missed the opportunity to commit hog and ball torture on the entire lobby
That video is actually one of my favorites on TH-cam. It makes me so nostalgic. I really miss Overwatch 1.
13:41 as someone who's never actually played OW1 and only watched it, i agree with the "take me back" cries. OW2, at least currently as of season 6 going into 7, the game is only really enjoyable to play in arcade. Comp feels like walking thru hell trying to look for a beverage and quick play feels like comp but less serious
i agree so hard. the game had this certain comradery that it doesn't really have at this point. the worst part is that for some reason i feel the nostalgia for ow1 but i never even got to experience the damn game.
@@defaultdan7923 for me, it's the feeling I get from watching OW1. Two tanks, 2cp, MMR, etc. seems like more fun, even tho they still seem like a pain at times
@@JustCallMeMexow1 was great, whenever I played support in a stack I mainly picked lucio and the great part is that I wouldn't get accused of throwing like I do now in ow2. In ow1 speed boosting your whole team to contest the point that was so close to being captured was such an adrenaline rush.
Problem with tanks being reduced is it was the quick fix. It wasnt the best fix. The best fix would habe been to add more tanks to the game without barriers and have it so when two tanks with barriers are in game barrier health is reduced 40%. The y did this with hp in mystery heroes. Why didnt they do this with barriers and keep it 6v6?
Oh and add in that tanks with good shields can't have other ways to sustain themselves. No grasp for sigma and no foritfy for orisa. Give them something else.
Because it sounds more like a new game to say 5v5. Thats about it
Yeah, but how would this even work though? What if you’re still alive as a tank with a shield , then mid fight your teammate dies then they switch to a tank with a sheild, so your telling me mid fight my shield would’ve been reduced by 40%? Or in the senecio that I mentioned does, it not reduce until you die? If that’s the case what if you can’t kill that think with the bigger shield? Or again in the same senecio where the teammate switches does the barrier have a countdown until the reduced sheild comes, letting the player know when the barrier is reduced? Even then, how would your teammates know? This, it comment dosent seem like the solution. It just seems like you thought about what might be a good idea without really truly thinking it through, I don’t think this is the situation at all.
@@vlinks2301 A lot of what you said isn't that tough to actually figure out though.
- Pick two shield tanks at start then reduced barrier.
- If your tank partner swaps to shield tank while you are still alive then they come out reduced shield but yours remains the same til you die.
- If its possible to exploit it then you can tinker with it to change after it hits max health then changes to reduced maximum a few moments later
- Adding a timer so the tank knows when its going to happen doesnt sound like a tough implementation.
- Why would your entire team need to know that your barrier max life is about to change?
- If they do need to know to you then voice lines solve that rather well and can add fun little dynamics between shield tanks.Reinhardt calling out sigma shield for being something to put far away when he prefers to be up close.
Sounds like to me you just threw out a bunch of things in an effort to poke holes without thinking about any solutions at all then complained.
@@aerostrafe1075Shields were not the problem, it was the abilities behind the shields (fortify, grasp, lamp).
Tank duo was my favorite part of overwatch I loved being a tank main now I just hate playing tank. Young flats so full of hope and dreams of a brighter future that would never come to be.
I miss watching the duo tank of flats and emongg that synergy and energy was cathartic.
wow that looks way more fun than any of my matches as tank these days
I never watched this video back in the day but especially looking back now, I really miss playing with my old duos. That final picture hits too hard, and the pokemon music god especially that hoenn ending ost... take me back
Damn I made it to the end and I am tearing up rn. Can’t believe I have been playing this game since 2016 and it’s changed so much. I still love it but the nostalgia is very intense.
12:20 crazy how when ow2 was originally announced it was literally just supposed to be a free sequel focused heavily on PVE with ow1 still being a game that you could play for multiplayer. Sad to see that its merged and in the end came to be a worse game with 0 actual PVE. Sure we get new heros and frequent updates now. But tbh id rather go back to the days when we only got small changes for the last 2 years. Those last 2 years of ow1 were way more fun then all of Ow2 atm.
I started with OW2 and I just wish i could play with 6 friends instead of 5 lol
5 instead of 4* cuz you have to be in the team too x-x
Feels like we're in a constant mode
Lose lose situation even with our own emotions like this time last year we were so filled with doom that when overwatch 2 was about to come out we were so sure that this time last year there'd be nothing to miss cause we all thought the experience will be so much better there's no reason to look back outside of nostalgia but here we are and we look back wondering if maybe those days were better cause we still had hope but were still in a terrible situation. All I can say is I hope next year we get something new to grip us both for the game and it's competitiveness.
Okay yes, the shatters and pins are getting kills but I will say pin cancel is literally one of the best and most fun things they did to Rein
True, but they could have done that in ow1 no problem
Could've just added current pin to old reinhardt. It's not like pin is good in either game.
I miss chatting with strangers in the main menu. Sometimes I'd log in to ask dumbass questions and end up making friends through it.
I like how this video starts off light hearted and funny then the ending was sad. Wonderful stuff
Not the sad persona 5 music😢😢
fr
I’ve always hated the idea of counter swapping I think removes player skill from the game. Like you are necessarily better you’re just picking the character that’s supposed to beat their character. We went from that happen once in while in OW1 to that being the only way to play OW2 if you care about wining.
I genuinely miss the tank combos now it feels like tanks are baby sitting ngl
First of all Tank was the fastest queue if you did soloQ but if you duo with another Tank it was much longer queue time but also still kinda funny
And i legit saw 3 minutes of the vid and i miss 6vs6 cause you could laugh about the bullshit in the game what happened and at the moment its just frustrating - thats my point
While it may not have been the most popular format I personally enjoyed 2 tanks way more than 1
The thing with the ow community is that most don’t give a shit about the game being fair and balanced they just give a shit about their role being powerful and thats sad
Back in the day where you were a TANK and not 3rd Dps wih more health and less dmg.😢
1 year ago today was the last time flats got a kill with shatter 😢
I’m Overwatch 2 you shatter 3, SUZU PETTLE PULL LAMP INFINITE HEALING
Alleycat really fits this sadden time of OW1 being gone forever.
I actually miss having to reload for Orisa. I was so used to reloading that I actively forget that her gun now overheats when you use it too much and that I instinctively hit my reload button (I play on the switch, but the button it 'Y') for Orisa, even though she has infinite bullets now.
the 5v5 was truly nothing than a band aid over a shotgun sized hole