If a munter hitch is applied while attached to a lower side d to add friction to a hitch attached to the bridge it will pull a climber off center and load the side d of the munter which could lead to unergonimical discomfort.
John, a munter on a biner attached to a lower leg loop is a standard way of descent back up in alpine/ ice climbing and I do use it for treework all the time, sometimes even for rope wrench/ hitch or mechanicals - it also has a big advantage if working with snowy/ sloppy ropes, of stripping icy glop off a wet rope before that rope section gets to your hitch or mechanical - a fact that's often overlooked by those who work in warmer climates. Saved me from going for a ride down on more than one occasion. Leg will be all white and snowy but rope runs fine. Stay safe out there.
@@john.massing Maybe Mike mentions this - I forget - but I use a carabiner with a wider top for the munter - something like a Rock Exotica Pirate is really smooth. If you use an oval, it isn't as happy a ride! Either way, one hand on the hitch or mechanical and one hand on the rope beneath the munter/ biner as a control hand. Most of us geezers don't bomb down either (unless we're really sure of the tie point or it's an engineered structure). slow and steady and stay alive. Cheers
i've accidentally put a good cut into two wire core lanyards. one i was unaware until i was on the ground. no doubt i would have taken a ride without the wire core.
Usually people don’t like wire lanyards because they are not as flexible so you can’t use them as a small moving rope system/wire does not bend and flex like regular rope. They are also no good around power lines. They are not suitable within 10 feet 3 meters of electrical lines
@sempi8159 when cutting your lanyard, remember that you already broke the rules. Also, steel core is too much weight for the benefits outside of a large diameter spar climb..
Wire core is antiquated? This is simply one person's opinion, nothing more. Wire core lanyards have a place in tree care period. Use whatever you want, and don't think for one second that you can't cut through them, I have done it. And a hand saw will cut a tensioned rope in 7 teeth or less. Jim H.
There really is no point of arguing about it guilty of treeson has already put it to the test bounced that saw off the steel core about three times.... how many times you plan on hitting that Flipline in a single climb
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That's the first time I've seen anyone cross the lanyard with a ring. Pretty neat.
If a munter hitch is applied while attached to a lower side d to add friction to a hitch attached to the bridge it will pull a climber off center and load the side d of the munter which could lead to unergonimical discomfort.
Use both Ds
John, a munter on a biner attached to a lower leg loop is a standard way of descent back up in alpine/ ice climbing and I do use it for treework all the time, sometimes even for rope wrench/ hitch or mechanicals - it also has a big advantage if working with snowy/ sloppy ropes, of stripping icy glop off a wet rope before that rope section gets to your hitch or mechanical - a fact that's often overlooked by those who work in warmer climates. Saved me from going for a ride down on more than one occasion. Leg will be all white and snowy but rope runs fine. Stay safe out there.
@@prairiemushroom thanks for the reply. I will give it a try 👍
@@john.massing Maybe Mike mentions this - I forget - but I use a carabiner with a wider top for the munter - something like a Rock Exotica Pirate is really smooth. If you use an oval, it isn't as happy a ride! Either way, one hand on the hitch or mechanical and one hand on the rope beneath the munter/ biner as a control hand. Most of us geezers don't bomb down either (unless we're really sure of the tie point or it's an engineered structure). slow and steady and stay alive. Cheers
i've accidentally put a good cut into two wire core lanyards. one i was unaware until i was on the ground.
no doubt i would have taken a ride without the wire core.
Why do you think wire lanyards are antiquated?
Usually people don’t like wire lanyards because they are not as flexible so you can’t use them as a small moving rope system/wire does not bend and flex like regular rope. They are also no good around power lines. They are not suitable within 10 feet 3 meters of electrical lines
@@JpWi i get all that but what do you think is antiquated about them?
As far as i know there is no better option as far as cut resistance goes.
A chainsaw will cut a steel lanyard as easy as rope. Get an old one and lanyard to a trunk and tap it with a saw.
@@sempi8159 the wire core has nothing to do with cut resistance. its about ease of the flipping motion
@sempi8159 when cutting your lanyard, remember that you already broke the rules. Also, steel core is too much weight for the benefits outside of a large diameter spar climb..
Wire core is antiquated? This is simply one person's opinion, nothing more. Wire core lanyards have a place in tree care period. Use whatever you want, and don't think for one second that you can't cut through them, I have done it. And a hand saw will cut a tensioned rope in 7 teeth or less. Jim H.
Yes, many climbers find the negative aspects of wire core lanyards outweigh the benefits
It's an east coast thing... everybody is so sure of themselves
I see all these healthy more bulk sized men climbing inspires me 👌
He’s no climber he’s a sales rep
Pretty sure a wire core lanyard is safer than fabric lanyards if you touch with a chainsaw while in tree
common misconception
@Johnnyreengo No its not. While a saw can go through them, they do offer some resistance. Therefore, they are safer.
There really is no point of arguing about it guilty of treeson has already put it to the test bounced that saw off the steel core about three times.... how many times you plan on hitting that Flipline in a single climb
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