You have a point, but no need to strawman counter arguments. Overwatch doesent need to be free to play, but it cant exist under the old box model. 60 dollar one time purchase, no extra purchases available in game. If you want a multiplayer game that frequently receives new content, it needs to be monetized more than once. The question is how. Most gamers have decided that battle passes are better than lootboxes. Multiple countries banned lootboxes because of the outrage. So that's why we're here now. It's not just because big mega corp bad and people defending battle pass shill
If you let something so insignificant to actual gameplay ruin the game for you, then i can't really see how you were a fan to begin with. if microtransactions make you leave then that seems like you only care about cosmetics, in which case Overwatch was not for you anyways.
I enjoy how much focus you put on the shop and the battle pass. The fact that I paid for OW1, can't play it anymore, but also have to pay horrendous amounts for the skins I could've gotten for free, is straight up evil. Blizzard fully intended to make OW2 just good enough for people not to complain about their singular goal of changing the monetization method and raising prices. Too bad they failed in that too.
Yup kinda fucked up I bought overwatch when it first came out, I sold it bc I needed money well fats forward to now I ended up buying the game not knowing about overwatch 2 .now I’m kinda pissed and as much as I love overwatch I refuse to play a game like this
So wait? You can't even play the base game you bought as single player? I dabble in some PC gaming but nothing live service or multiplayer modes (prefer single play). I do play Genshin and another gatcha but the base game is free.
Bro you had many years to get all the skin in ow1. You also have legacy coin. I hope you understand that letting ow1 and ow2 at the same time would be very bad for the community ?
@@ni9274 the account merge also removed spme peoples items theyd collected too, i had more highlight intros and skins thst ive now lost, ive also been playing ow since 2017 and almost exclusively played mercy, still only had 2 legendary skins for her
true, but not for that one guy who wasn't :D and that was a lot of these moments and nowadays in political correctness, this is why it exists :D to defend this nonsense... to stop it we must fight against it, mostly politically by voting the right guy who doesn't support stuff like that :d
@danse en rouge Ayye. Legit don’t type and post that shit online. That shit 100% will be read back to you in a courtroom some day. Had a close friend get arrested in Tulsa Oklahoma after going to some BLM protests and they fucking read out his Facebooks group comments to a jury to try and get him tried for inciting violence. DO NOT POST THAT SHIT DUDE.
@@Akister not being capable to comprehend two sentences and comment on them anyways is stupidity. I haven't said WHO or what side, I said the right guy not "right-wing", you decide yourself, however, this is the reason these things are changing if you deny it you are in delusion. This whole decision is based on political correctness like it or not.
@@masterzoroark6664 honestly they do deserve it, I know it's weird but I hope OW2 dies quickly just to see if they understand that they can't make a worse product, make it free and pretend it's better
@@NA-nz9lv if there are wales in mobile games. there are gonna be wales with pc games too. i will honestly be surprised if overwatch 2 fails due to how stupid wales are i expect them to be foolish at this point. if they are gonna provide fuel for lazy mobile game dev's they very well might fuel blizzard as well.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 whales are a small percentage of all players though, they can spend as much as they want but if the player-base starts declining the game will die without a doubt. Also buying skins and battle-passes is not the same as buying the kind of in-game advantages mobile games offer, from my point of view the best way to sell skins is to have the biggest player-base possible since someone that already bought a skin for a character, let's say genji, will probably not buy another skin for said character.
Not being able to endorse the enemy team was the first negative change I noticed, I always tried to endorse the enemy team if they did well, now I just have to settle for endorsing teammates
True. I wish I could endorse the enemy. Sometime the enemies are just so good, or make such a huge difference in a key moment that I want to endorse them. Now I just have to praise them in the match chat.
What I find weird about the “on fire”system is that the new heroes have voice lines for it as well. Makes me think it was a last minute decision to cut it out and maybe they’ll add in it later with all the other features removed…
As they said when Jeff was still part of Blizzard, they made multiple prototypes (bad sign for a software programmer like myself... Did no one made an sdlc plan for this game? It's the freaking basics on both development and business side of things?) So most likely the on-fire was either ripped out from OW1 code without the visuals or they just used a part of one of those prototypes. (Heck I still feel this game is in Late alpha)
@@ashurad_fox5991 they literally have only spent the last year on multiplayer. We really are sorta playing the beta until the PvE comes out and the PvP gets patched and improved
I'm glad someone actually mentioned Blizzards disgusting internal practices in a review of this game. The biggest streamers and TH-camrs who claim to hate the practices buy the battle pass and make videos of them enjoying the game.
@@IkxiIt's still hypocritical and giving money to a wretched company who treats its employees horribly, especially female staff. And I should know, I worked there for years.
@@WobblesandBean So you worked for a company for years while they were mistreating their employees, especially female staff? And it's the gamers' fault for giving them money?
In defense of people playing more kiriko and moira, I've heard the argument that since there are fewer tanks and everything hyperoffensive now, that means that most healers need to both be in Line of Sight to heal and also stay out of Line of Sight to avoid the snipers and Sojourn railguns that will end them very quickly. Moira and Kiriko have teleports which allow them both to reach their teammates safely and also to try and bail when things inevitably go south.
@@mightyhendo9828 you said you love to play Tank and Support but in the same stroke you say you don't on OW2 because everything is more offensive now if I understood that right... if you'd be good at OW you wouldn't have these kind of complains, in fact the way your are complaining you sound like a lazy support who gets carried 90% of the time and rein shield spammers, which of course would give you a hard time playing OW2 since you are a bot essentially, I mean the fact you said that the stuns are gone already shows that you have no clue what you are talking about, reins shatter, junkrats trap, meis Ult, anas sleep dart, roadhogs hook, they all count ... so either you never even bothered looking at the kits of the heroes and merely jumped onto the hate bandwagon or you have srsly no reason to be complaining whatsoever since you probably never even touched the game. if you get actually get behind it and aren't some bronze 5 scrub then the 5v5 makes sense and feels way more rewarding as a support because you actively helped with kills/assists and objectives instead of spamming heals like a bot, tbh if you can't 1v1 any close range dps (except sombra because she is a cheap bitch with her hacks) with a bap or lucio, then you don't belong anywhere near silver anyways. if there is ANYTHING to complain about it's the matchmaking and the ranking system in comp, the reason why dps aint peeling is because you get paired with a bunch of bots or quitters in the first place whilst the refill is either slow or never happens like in comp :) .... also yes of course new heroes are OP, how the fuck are you marketing a new character that is mediocre?
My thing with Moira is that I don’t really care that she can teleport, I agree with that, and I also have no problem with Kiriko You’ll find I like each and every support because playing Support, IS NOT EASY But my thing I hate about Moira is that not only does her attack heal her as she deals damage, but it practically locks on to its target, unless you can duck behind a wall between shots (which she can easily teleport behind as well) you’re gonna have a rough time dealing with her I’ve been using Hanzo lately because I’ve been wanting to hone my skills, if I can hit someone with a tiny hit box like Moira’s or Kiriko, with an arrow that takes time to travel a distance and not a bullet that just zips straight to its target, I shouldn’t struggle too much against her when I play heroes like Bastion, Cassidy or Soldier
Not only that, moira is heavily picked because she is the only support whose ULT directly does damage. In a game that is as aggressive as ow2 why wouldnt support mains go moira? But we are hearing cries to nerf her into the ground when the true change she needs is a more narrow lock on that isnt like old Sym.
I actually really liked the loot boxes you would earn through leveling for somebody who only casually played every once in a while...didn´t spend any extra money but got some really nice skins...in comparison I would probably need to waste like $500 to buy the same skins now lol
Lootboxes can in border scenarios cause addiction.. but the truth no one said was, that people of those border scenarios are much more likely to throw themselves of the 10th floor, or under the train, than to get addicted. Battlepass however intentionally takes all the fun away from progression, with the idea of forcing a player ultimately buying it... But the truth is, there is nothing I would grind from the pass, let alone waste money on.
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
As a tf2 player watching a brother from a different mother died such a depressing and bitter death. its like 2 people having a showdown just for the other one died unhonorable death like a random guy from the side line shoot 1 of them. As if a rival died by falling in a random manhole. *It's just very bitter*
Something I really miss is the portrait system. I was just about at silver when ow1 ended and I was looking forward to getting it to the next level. Don’t understand why it’s gone? Even though you didn’t get anything from it, it at least gave you a sense of progression. I also hate the new comp system and not being able to see the points I get after a match.
This. What bothers me the most is that I really don't see ANY reason to put that system to rest. Like why? Keep the system and also give people rewards for leveling up. For old players who are about to or have already reached the max level raise the level cap and introduce new interesting looking borders to optain. Ain't that sort of expension of progression something a sequel should thrive to introduce? So sad about this tbh
As a OW1 support main, I wholeheartedly agree that since OW2, the more I play the less fun I have and the less I find myself playing whatsoever. I started out playing maybe half a dozen games in a session, and now by the time I finish my second quick or ranked play I feel no desire to continue playing and just straight close the game. I especially love how the Halloween event (one of my favorite parts of overwatch seasonal stuff) has turned into something that I played twice, felt like I got nothing out of it, and never played it again. I would play those for a fun change of pace to get me new cosmetics (at least the loot boxes gave me a little bit of something and could get them for free), and would still at least let me level up my account. I’m pretty close to just deleting OW2 outright. Actually, after writing this, I think I’ve given myself all the reasons I need to stop playing altogether
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
Sometimes, you just need to lay everything out for someone else, to realize what you already knew. Or as HP Lovecraft put it 'At some point humanities accumulated disparate knowledge will lead it to a reality so horrifying they will go mad from it, or run screaming back into the comfort of a new dark age.' (paraphrase)
I think the thing that really hammered the nail in the coffin for me was removing the find group function.. here's a team based game but gfy play by yourself
I think the thing is that you could get a group that can tell you what the plan is (who plays who, who does what) before getting into a game, but now you can’t huddle up and set up a plan. Which leads to disjointed teamwork from what I can guess.
I really miss the medals and being on fire especially as a support player main mostly that was you one chance to have some light shed on the background help you do. You’ll never get potg as someone like mercy but at least they used to show how much healing you done and damage amp assist you had. Now it’s nothing no display for being a good support which will make ppl just want to play dps and tank even more
@@lostmind9072 yeah which is good they should keep leaderboards but people will briefly see it and not rlly care or say non in chat hence why as a support it feels unnoticed as where at the end with the gold medal it’s put for display
as a main support player i could care less about the medals and am actually glad they're gone. no more feeding teammates using their "medals" as a coverup for their poor teamwork skills
@@PvtFlowers 90 % of overwatch players reasonings as to why tf2 sucks (as if they don't have toxicity, balancing issues, no major updates , weird ass community (the abundance of you know what) and whatnot(NOT COUNTING OW2 THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK FOR THAT ONE)) is "HuR DuR , No UdPaEt , ChReTaR". No hate to ow gameplay, it is fine, EXEPT THE BALANCING ISSUES
@@PvtFlowers Bots are surprisingly lesser these days, I've been playing recently with Halloween going on and I could count on one hand the amount of bot encounters I've had. On top of that most players kick them quite quickly so they just pop up like a tiny nuisance.
@@megacringe6475 Do they think the community can keep the game alive without any major update? and that may be true in most parts but it doesn't mean that the game needs these updates and valve should leave it be we have rights as players.
I've heard that the reason for removing things like the end cards and the medals was a sort of toxic prevention. Like they're trying to stop people from using those things to put themselves above the rest of the team and shit on them as bad players or something. But if that's the case, then this new scoreboard of everyone's stats make this 10 times worse. Think about it, it's easier then ever for a toxic player to single out a teammate who is "underperforming" and get on their case about it. now all they have to do is press tab, look at the numbers, and boom. a one-way ticket to 'Uninstall game you trash 1IQ noob' station.
I think this was specifically to prevent people from using the medal as leverage. Like some here so do more damage than others, but if you’re gold medal damage as Moira and everyone on your team is dying over and over that medal means nothing. The numbers at least could show that the team mate is totally fine. Like if the dps are calling no heals and both supports have big numbers or high deaths or both the whole team can see that. Idk if it’s working that way, but I think that’s what they’re going for.
Literally just had someone get on my ass for having the lowest damage than every one else, despite it still be over 10 thousand. Like wtf, you are absolutely right, people see a lower number than the rest and automatically single it out. This system allows for even more toxicity
I also literally don't care. I don't advocate for a return to CoD MW2 slur lobbies. But if you seriously get upset because some stranger says "bro ur playing like shit look im gold" then you need to just get a grip, anything more and just mute them. People are genuinely just pathetic now
For a DT project all the way back when I was doing my GCSE’s, I had an ‘Overwatch Artbook’. Studying it over and over it’s permanently burned into my mind, despite me not playing much of the game. Lot of the points proposed in this video, especially the ones about the visual changes (such as the time of day changes) are completely accurate. Even from the concept art, the time of days were absolutely intended when designing them. Great video!!
@@markhaga8408 They cut the expansive replayable free PVE mode with character customization/builds and have since announced that PVE is now coming in 'chapters' that you have to purchase for 15$.
As Someone who plays TF2, I never hated over watch. Heck I thought it was pretty cool lore wise, Kind reminded me of MegaMan X lore wise. But sadly blizzard was too caught up in their own vices to see its potential. I’ll simply be keeping an eye on it until the story mode is Finished and once then, I’m done. I won’t praise the end of it or curse it’s makers name. Simply put I’ll say goodbye to a game I never really got into but still enjoyed from afar: Farewell Overwatch.
I used to like Overwatch story... But then they got to pandering. I'm gay and I feel fkin annoyed at what Blizzard did- Tracer, cool, but then they started to make everyone gay and shit without context
@@masterzoroark6664 Lmfao, dude thinks gay people need context to exist. News flash: gay people just exist. they dont need lore or a backstory to explain why they're gay, they just ARE. it doesn't even affect gameplay, and if you didnt know about the lore you'd have ZERO idea that Tracer or S76 are gay. You have no idea what you're talking about.
This is exactly how I feel! As a "casual" player I would come on when I had the time, bash out a few quick plays, get a few SR in comp, open a few loot boxes hoping for skins or credits(I actually didn't mind the loot boxes), and then call it a day! Logging off with a smile on my face, knowing that it would be there for me when I came back. And now, well, now it isn't there anymore :(
same dude, I don't play OW competitively. to me its like turn my brain off for a couple of hours, pew pew pew, get lootbox, get the skin I want, happy, do it again... it was bliss. now that's gone
@@stalebread9825 maybe because I was also playing R6 at the time all my stress and competitiveness went into that so when I play overwatch its just this colorful relaxing game to me
@@flapjackpancake5486 Most creators, and I think they spoke for all of us, said something among the lines of "Overwatch used to be fun because it used to be clumsy, messy, casual.. It was just the perfect game to have some laughs with ye pals." I fear that concept is long gone... And I think it actually began in OW1 where they made a bucnh of reworks which destabilised the characters' identities. Maybe not writing wise, but definitely gameplay wise. And to me personally the change to 5v5 is an absolute hit in the sack... It makes the experience "MESSY, CLUMSY, COMPETITIVE"
As a completely new player to Overwatch, I didn’t really know what it was like to play the first game. For me, it’s fun to play and I like playing it. But now that I know how much there was before Overwatch 2, it made me realize how much of a slap in the face it was to old players. This video really helped me understand the perspective of old players, a perspective I believe was covered incredibly well by this video, so thank you for making this. Edit: It's come to my attention that this isn't how all players have felt, and it was wrong of me to assume so. I'd like to hear if your oponions do differ so I can get a clearer consensus on the subject, thank you to everyone who said so.
I'm in the exact same boat as you. Its nice, and pretty fun actually for a free game. But it feels like I'm having fun playing in a bouncy castle turned into a mud pit. There's no reason to play other than the fun itself, and it still just leaves me feeling dirty.
Other than the monetization of the game and the ranking up system, the vast majority of returning players (myself included) disagree with many of his complaints, specifically the gameplay. I wouldn't say this vid provides an accurate perspective of most returning players.
@@nicholastoastcrunch Ehh OW2 gameplay has positives and negatives it's kind of a wash at best. It doesn't feel like a new game and has WAY too much RNG nowadays. I've noticed that overall people are already not playing anymore 😬
I hope you stop playing the game. We need to collectively curb this bullshit or it's going to keep getting worse. Activision Blizzard deserve be bankrupt. They need to be bankrupt.
@@AuthorityCat I definitely agree that what Blizzard/Activision has done in the past few years is terrible and they do deserve heavy backlash. However, I’m going to keep playing it, just not gonna spend money on it. It makes me feel pretty conflicted because while I don’t at all like what Blizzard is doing, in reality there’s nothing I can really do by myself against a multi-million dollar company fueled by greed. And that’s the sad truth about a lot of popular companies these days, we can’t fight against their malpractices individually.
For the people that were playing overwatch 1 for a long time our accounts are very rare because we literally got a ton of skins from loot boxes and events… I feel so bad for these new players that are downloading the game and they realize they can only get 60 coins for Weekly challenges to buy a skin that they want😔
on top comes the fact that the game has like no progress outside of the battlepass ._. i just hop on for like 3-4 matches for the old times but now people just spam zarya , soujourn and all the broken crap just to say gg ez afterwards, people dont play for fun in ow anymore mostly , game is infested with 11-13 year olds switching from apex or fortnite to ow2 bcs its free to play , game feels so bad behind the curtain, its like you hold a lit candle thats is in a snowstorm and you try to protect it from going out .... ;cries;
iam literally crying over this game from what it has turned into :/ all good ow memories lost , all went downward after jeff kaplan left probably bcs of activision since he knew what would happen :c
True. Activision is basically the one controlling Acti-Blizz. Im sure the Blizzard in them made this game but Im sure Activision had some part in some of the monetization. If only Activision didn't buy Blizzard to fuse with them into becoming something worse than both of them.
In modern buisness, if the goal of the company is "growth". then removing the soul is a must. Which for most companies in the buisness of making profit, strive to do.
@@valeoncat13 every company in the world's goal is to make money to stay afloat. In order to to stay afloat they need sacrifices. So said quality may be sacrificed for something in return
@@valeoncat13 Nintendo has their moments like Battle League or alot of their free update games have the same thing where pass the launch of said title they add updates to try to keep the game alive and get more people to buy it. This experiment has worked (Splatoon and Mario Maker) but mostly failed such as Mario Strikers Battle League and Switch Sports where the updates feel like basic stuff that should have been there day one and caused the game to flop because of it.
@@valeoncat13 Then we have games that go the free to play route. Unlike Already Paid Games, Free to Play Service games can potentially earn way more money than paid ones. A good example is Fortnite, Save the World was good but not many people played it because it cost money. When Epic Games experimented with the Battle Royale Genre starting up at the time, The hit a goldmine of popularity and profits. I think Fortnite BR's Monetization is really fair, even if you don't buy V-Bucks stuff like the battle pass give 300 V-bucks every season, give it a few months and Youll earn enough for the battle pass. Fortnite's Influence is a Blessing and a Curse. As other games have tried implementing this Battle Pass system. Games like Fall Guys and Rocket League in my opinion do it just fine in my opinion But then we have games that sort of misused this concept for profit. Our example here. Overwatch 2, It cost 10 dollars as I see most BPs do but this battle pass doesn't give any of the currency back its clear Acti-Blizz is trying to earn more profit by making people pay 10 dollars each time they want the battle pass. Fortnite, the game that sort of invented/Popularized the Battle Pass, gives you more than enough currency (1500 V-bucks) to get Next Season's Battle Pass. But clearly Acti-Blizz isn't as Generous as Epic Games as they don't give shit.
@@CuriosityMisledMe nop... max was 1100... u can only get 1/4 that's just money, last 3/4 have to be dupes... that's 3x legendaty dupes 200 = 600 + 1x 500 chest with cash = 1100 :)
@@CuriosityMisledMe u are talking to a guy that's played that game for over 6 years, playing at least a little every day... legendary dupes were 200 each and legendary money were 500... purple dupes were 50 and money were 150... blue dupes were 15 each and money were 50... just look it up, u have google...
You didn't even touch on the maps that were removed. Blizzard World, Numbani, Hanamura, Rialto, Havana, Temple of Anubis, Volskya Industries- all gone. *_They've literally removed more maps than they've added._*
Watching this for the first time after they cancelled PvE, and yeah, makes me feel like I wasted my time even playing the second game to begin with. Even if it was for a week, still. I got that battle pass cuz the skin was cool and I was really hoping the PvE would be decent. Mann Vs Machine by a company that still touches the game would have been cool.
I feel validated in knowing that the game can very quickly feel overwhelming visually. There are particle effects, intrusive UI, and so much going on on screen that I, on occasion, don't even know where I should look during a team fight. I do not have this problem in competitive TF2.
I maintain that Overwatch's art design has always been bad. It's always been far too cluttered with detail for its own good. Team Fortress 2's art design has gotten worse over time as well, I think. But TF2 started out with perfect art design, then transitioned to "okay" over time. TF2 at its worst is still better than Overwatch at its best. Hell, Overwatch actually had one really great design in Tracer. In OW1 she had just the right balance of detail and negative space, that she felt genuinely iconic. Then in OW2 they stripped away so much that made her design work, broke up her negative space with pointless extra detail, and just made her whole design worse for no good reason.
@@tbotalpha8133 Tf2’s decrease is due to most (if not all) content being made by the community, who may or may not want to make items true to the art style.
@@eeeertoo2597 Watching other people play Overwatch makes me feel like I have ADHD. In TF2, in a single glance I can tell who is present, how many enemies/allies and roughly where on the map they are.
@@Octanis0 Probably cause you’re used to one and not the other, in TF2 everything kind of blends together imo, in OW the fact that theres only 5 characters to keep track of and unique they look in contrast to the map allows me to focus easily
Here's the thing. They promised maps with active day cicles. All the did was change the time for SOME of the maps. Illios and other king of the hill type of maps already had those different daytimes in OW1. You could only see them in Deathmatch modes, but they where there and i played hundreds of hours of hide and seek on them. They where hatted for the color palett and once workshop enabled us to move modes in to different presets, nobody played on those "mexico fillters" anymore.
The map lighting bugs me, too, because some maps are so bright I have to lower my gamma, etc, to make it visible without blinding me. . . So other maps (Adlersbrunn/Halloween Eichenwalde) are just expanses of darkness that I can't see.
This! I actually got lost when I was first playing Wrath of the Bride because the tunnels/dungeon area was so dark. My teammates had to come back and lead me through lol
13:50 thank you for pointing out how they deemphasize the importance of objective time. One of my biggest frustrations is having a team that keeps leaving the objective in favor of getting more kills. It’s especially annoying because I prefer support, but then I’ll get yelled at if I stay and actually work on our objective.
I really appreciate this video you made, I was new to overwatch and could not for the life of me figure out why my gameplay didn’t feel fun nor look at all like the interesting gameplay I’ve seen in the past. What you’ve brought up really highlighted every issue I had in my horrible first gaming experience I had with overwatch.
Wow, I didn’t even realize I’d sat through a 40 minute video until I looked at the time after it was over. I guess time flies when you make good content, a lesson the ‘geniuses’ behind OW 2’s new progression system have yet to learn...
@@xythiera7255 Oh no, I mean it. Flooding your face full with yellow shades has been proven to trigger nausea and motion sickness in people. Try sitting in a car when it's the golden hour/right when the sun sets against the horizon and floods your eyes with yellow and orange, you will start feeling super sick.
For me, the funniest and the most painful thing about all of this is rather personal. I bought the game after its release, but almost immediately lost the access to my PC for years, only returning a week before they forced Overwatch 2 onto the players. Practically, I paid 60$ for a broken free2play game that sees its players only as paypigs. *That's hilarous.*
I was just about to say, anyone who bought overwatch 1 has essentially now been locked out of that game permanently. Like yeah, overwatch 1 and 2 are essentially the same base game, but as is pointed out in the video they 100% provide different experiences.
I mean that’s kinda on you tbh for losing access to the game, it’d be like buying a game then breaking your pc only to be mad that it’s basically a new game after 3+ years
@@Viole01 You see, I don't really remember them stating "Oh hey, you have only 6 years to play the game, and after that we'll take it away and replace with a horrible free-to-play version." Yeah, some pay-to-play games do switch to free-to-play model, that happened to Awesomenauts and TF2, which costed 5$ and 20$ respectively, *but* they didn't change anything else. They didn't lock content behind paywall and battlepasses. *Overwatch was a 60$ game.* You can't go "oh it's kinda on you tbh" for me not expecting them to *literally take away* the game I paid full price for not 10, not 20, but 6 years ago and replace it with a chinese rip-off that solely exists to be a cash grab. "it’d be like buying a game then breaking your pc only to be mad that it’s basically a new game after 3+ years" - It's just a wrong statement, it's a wrong statement from a really stupid person. As I said, they *removed* the game I paid for and replaced it with a piece of crap only to make more money. I'm not "mad because it's basically a new game after 3+ years", *what the hell are you even talking about you empty-headed moron*, adding new content to the game and murdering it in order to grab some money isn't the same thing. Honestly, how dull you are?
It's super disappointing, like why build up characters, give them lore, and even confirm that some of them are LGBTQ- just to do absolutely nothing with them at all? Same goes for the mysteries surrounding the world, like the resurgence of Omnics. At one point in time, OW was interesting and layered enough to keep engagement going.
@@lemondroptop the resurgence wasn’t a mystery btw, the bigotry against them never went away, Ramattra got tired of this after the thing that happened in Tracer’s latest comic and decided to attack again
Big gaming companies just don't care anymore. They know there's always gonna be idiots that throw money at them no matter the quality of the games they deliver.
@@mr.shin.5138 I'm talking triple a companies specifically. Of course there's still companies like From Software that make great games without having dogshit predatory monetisation systems, but companies like that are few and far between.
As a Mercy main I really miss the endgame commendations you can give people, as it was the only time I got recognised for the good work I do. It felt so great to see your upvotes go up and up, and even the enemy supporting me. Now there's just a number on the scoreboard, and the game ends. Feels so soulless
I recall a review of Overwatch when it was still new. They said "It's a Blizzard game, and Blizzard's known for supporting its products for an extremely long time. So there's no need to worry about them shutting the servers down for a very, very long time." I guess that line didn't age very well.
Seeing leaderboards is so funny when philosophy of OW1 (said by Kaplan) was moving away from leaderboards and K/D ratios. Cooperative teamplay was so encouraged in initial years of OW1. Now new people at helm have no vision for the game.
Overwatch sparked a flurry of games to become what they are including Fortnite and Apex. Too bad to see even Overwatch is fading compared to OG Overwatch.
@@MartinHindenes OverWatch was a genre defining game, OverWatch 2 is a trend chasing game. They should just go back to their roots and focus on what made the game great instead of trying to turn it into a generic game.
Yeah that was great and all until you were getting yelled at by some rando on the team that he has ‘4 golds!’ and then get shit on by the team for your hero pick because no one can tell who’s performing well and who isn’t. Unfortunately OW1’s vision for cooperative team play only works with a group of friends and not random players you’ll spend 20 minutes with at most to act as a team. While you’re welcome to dislike the changes acting like OW1 had it all figured out and then OW2 ruined it actively ignores the huge glaring faults OW1 had with its medal system and lack of transparency on your team’s performance. But you know, let’s just keep ignoring the past problems so we can shit on OW2 easier.
@@nostop2769 OW obviously didn’t have everything figured out. But what they did have figured out was removed in OW2. On a side note, if one person had 4 golds along side their team getting beat, they would technically have a point that people aren’t doing their job properly.
@@CuriosityMisledMe And what exactly did they have figured out that they removed? The inability to actually verify yourself your teams performance rather than just ‘I’m doing enough damage, trust me bro’? And that was a hyperbole example, but at the same time there’s no way to verify the guys claim without arguing that ‘no, I actually have gold damage’ and it just turns into a big shitfest.
I like how you view some changes to OW2's gameplay that are almost universally praised as something to be concerned about. Not often you see such critique that doesn't solely focus on monetization.
For those of us who were still playing the game in the last year or so, the changes only serve to anger and alienate people. It's a worse game, the best update they could literally do would be to reverse most of the changes made with overwatch 2.
I’m glad he brought up 5v5, I think it’s a step down which seems to be a rare opinion but they changed how most tanks play and removed one. There are a million ways to reduce double shield and they chose the one that changes how the game as a whole plays.
@@FragMaster93 Which ended up being the better option. There was no way to make 2 tanks work unless you lower not just their shields but their healthpool down until it they were just glorified DPSs. The problem didn't lie necessarily in double shields but in the ridiculous huge healthpools which turned the fights into a messy brawl which was just a race to see who would get ults first since that was the most consistent way to break through the massive healthpools both tanks brought. 5v5 is considered by most to be a welcome change... because it is a welcome change
@@FragMaster93 They took the lazy option. Same thing happened when they forced role queue on everyone. Instead of actually balancing the game, they took the lazy approach that still failed to address the underlying issues.
@@gracecalis5421 personally I disagree, most tanks don’t use their health to mitigate damage and it’s too keep them from being deleted too quickly when their main mitigation (shields ,matrix, over shields etc) wears off or doesn’t catch everything. I was never too bothered by double shield but it seems to be the primary offender that gets brought up with this change. At the moment you either have the blob that Pak describes or dps that just dive bomb the supports which a second tank could support or respond to where one can’t. I think a lot more could have been done to balance things or reworks like Orisa. Much like 2cp, deleting things was the easiest but not necessarily the best option.
The readability thing is so true, I never realized it. I played OW2 for the first time after not playing OW1 for like two years and the first thing I see is someone from the corner of my eye with an assault rifle and gray hair lighting me up, I turn to shoot them and they fucking slide away backwards, I swear I yelled thinking they were hacking. My friends had to literally tell me that was a new character, lol.
The only issue with Loot Boxes was you could buy them, All they needed to do was allow you to buy credits directly as well as get them from lootboxes. Then you would get something each level, maybe play a character you wouldn't normally if you got a cool skin... and if an event came and you couldn't get the skin or wanted it earlier you could spend some cash.
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
nothing in the lootbox makes us a better player but it sure does keep us wanting to play the game, but now that's gone there's absolutely no reason to play anymore, for me at least. I just like collecting free meaningless shit
@@flapjackpancake5486 for real, even when i stopped to play daily i would always make sure to level up once a week and get a premium lootbox (plus a bunch from just playing and endorsement) to collect coins for new skins. Now the game doesnt even lets you LEVEL lmao
@@LorikQuinn there were 8 of us when OW started. the competitive ones were the first ones to go because they got bored of it. I was the last man standing because I liked grinding for skins, these new OW2 players saying "nobody cares about skins they don't make you a good player" yeah they don't but it sure as hell improve the lifespan of the game
@@flapjackpancake5486 collecting stuff feels good :) and then blizzard takes it away from us. I'm about to finish the free battlepass in OW2 because i play with a friend, and the game literally has NO GOALS. You cant level, you cant collect, the challenges have crap rewards (and the XP ones will be useless after you finish the pass). How can they expect people to keep playing this game 6 months from now?
and their shop tactics are actually illegal in multiple countries. Like certain cosmetics being supposedly being 20% off...except that is kept until the end of their availability and will be most likely repeated next year, For instance the Halloween kiriko bundle. there's actually been posts on the overwatch reddit that speak out about this and what authorities need to be contacted about it, but those were immediately deleted by the mods.
Overwatch is an inspirational story of how Blizzard snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and then snacked defeat from the jaws of victory in Overwatch 2
I recently was convinced to download overwatch 2, I havent logged on since 2019 and found out it was shut down. I thought it was still up! The moment i got ingame and saw a BATTLE PASS I knew something was off. This video has explained everything I needed to know. I miss overwatch 1. You know its bad when people miss your lootboxes.
You're not wrong about it just being Deathmatch. Supports are just Damage characters who could heal, if they wanted to, but time to kill is so quick it's better off to just get kills yourself. Tanks are just Damage characters with high hit points and attacks that deal more damage than actual Damage heroes (guess that's why they're limited to one per team).
Tanks don’t do more damage than dps lol. And healer are extremely important cause without them the tank will die instantly. OW2 gameplay is far better than ow1 gameplay, literally everyone agree on this. Casual need to stop thinking the game should always be for them and not for the people playing competitive.
@ni 92 this is copium - of the 20 people i know who played ow1, 5 of whom were *very* highly rated and into the competitive side of the game, not a single one thinks this iteration is an improvement. Cant speak for everyone but for me this is extremely telling
@@ni9274 overwatch 1 was pretty good until brig overwatch 2 is super boring and might as well be teamfight simulator if you have 1 bad tank and a lackluster dps you are guaranteed to lose whereas is overwatch 1 you could at least switch on the fly to any role. Tanks are by far the most broken but the role isn't played because it's the easiest to blame
@@slip-eez2477 wdym the role isn't played what, it has massively risen in popularity. Plus in ow1 role q was added so you couldn't switch on the fly... which is a good thing cause we got some awful metas from it and games were just dictated by "lol, their team has 4 dps and mine has 3 with a tank gg" And both games were a teamfight sim, it has always been that way and always will.
I couldn't find a video that summed up my thoughts so perfectly as you have done here. So many support the 5v5 change but as a healer/tank player I also felt that loss in dynamic when working with another tank and how playing support is a game of "can I keep the sole tank alive".
I'm here again after it was just recently confirmed that the PvE modes - the whole reason they stopped making any content of note in 2019 and this damn "sequel" was made to begin with - is now cancelled. Completely. Supposedly this is because the endeavour of making anything of merit had just simply gotten too hard for the devs, and they probably realized that just making terrible and overpriced skins instead was enough. Something they had started to realize, by their own admition, *eighteen months ago.* Thus, they will replace it with nothing. Nothing that wouldn't have been released anyway. It's official: This "game" was nothing more than an update to the monetization system. Nothing but yanking away an annoying system and replacing it with an utterly odious and borderline criminal one. But hey, atleast it perfectly represents the company behind it.
@@predatorterroru Since at least 18 months ago... basically yes! Oh but they still do a lot with the game, they add like a new $30 skin bundle every other week. Terrific, isn't it?
Honestly your comment on splatoon 1 severs still be around kinda made me realise how much splatoon 3 as a sequel runs circles around overwatch 2 sequel status. Espcially since both are iteration focused shooter sequels designed to take the core gameplay to it's best state yet. Most noabtably comparing the progression system of splat 3 adds tons of new reasons to keep on playing and engaging with the game adding on to what worked about preivious instalments, compared to overwatch 2 which took away elements of progression such as borders. And it also just the little things as well. Such as splat 3 introducing medals in conjunction with a scoreboard to offer both positive reinforcement and game statistics, the Ui changes that make the game so much easier to read the game state, having a training range to screw around in while waiting for games and I could go on and on. And it does all this all while keeping the same style and personality the series is known for. It really does highlight how limp of a sequel overwatch 2 really is. Who knows mabey the Pve stuff will really bring the experience together but I'm not super hopeful.
"Another fun aspect of the blob meta is that I found it's much easier to push people back to their spawns and keep them there." Demomains: allow us to introduce ourselves
When you talk about Objective time, one thing you notice the higher you go up the ranks is that the game isn’t even about the objective itself, it’s about winning the team fight. Yes the game sells itself as a objective based game but you should always be looking to set up your positions and gain adavantages to win the team fight and the objective will follow suit. It’s simply a perspective lacking competitive knowledge above gold rank
yeah its about killing the other team in order to get the objective. Basically an objective based shooter, you shoot, you kill, you get the objective, you win, basically
10:57 I actually want this to be a thing. I understand that if you play on one time everyday that you will get the same time but it sets the tone of when you play. If I’m having a gaming night I feel like it would be super cool if all maps were night time. It does actually add a lot of variety in the maps, or maybe just for someone who knows every nook and cranny of them.
Keyword server time. Now imagine the opposite where you are playing on a gaming night but the server time is 7am so its always bright and sunny in every map. Not very cool now :(
Yeah, overwatch really hurts. It removed characters kits, Mei's ice, Mccree's flashbang, bastion and torbiorn. Like they could of just added like different weapon kits for heroes if they were gonna do that, let you keep playing with the old kit, but have this new kit. If you just remove how a character has played for years you basically just removed them from the game people payed for.
I don’t even know if this is actually confirmed, at the time I heard different stories about the situation alleging and denying the accusations but clearly one side is all I hear now and that’s all that matters apparently, time to change things from the inside out I suppose like the other companies.
The devs themselves were actually good people but sadly worked for something as evil as Activision. They actually had to fight them to make characters not be dlc in OW1. That was back in 2016 when Blizzard still had room to argue against Activision's intrusions. Sadly that's gone because Acti is deeply rooted inside Blizzard now
Would like to mention a few things I found differently than within this review of overwatch 2, I found it that you can endorse people in your group, as long as they're not your friend on battle net, which I know is rare but I've ran into that situation before myself. Also, my personal experience with flex queue is 80% support and there's still a chance at getting dps or tank, he is correct that you will most of the time get support though. The game feels a bit janky and don't get me started with the problem with people being kicked from lobbies and are unable to rejoin even if they tried. Thank you so much for this video and I enjoyed it a lot! I've played way too much overwatch lol!
I remember when I finally said I was done with Overwatch. I played the game from when Ashe came out, to I think the August of 2020. I had a lot of fun with the game when I first played it and loved playing as a healer to help my team. But near the end of 2020, I realized I was no longer having fun. I played the arcade just to get those 9 wins to get 3 loot boxes and the inevitable 2 or 3 I would get from leveling up in the process. I was stressing myself out with loss after loss all for a costume for someone I might play. And with this being the year we didn't get any new content, I knew we weren't going to get anything in the following seasons, so I dropped the game and never looked back. I had some fond memories of playing it, but not enough to keep me playing it. In the end, I'm glad I dropped the game.
THANK YOU for doing this video. Nobody listens to me when I talk about the map redesigns. It's all orangy, boring and harder to see. Im glad to find out I wasnt alone with this opinion.
That Tracer's Bombing Mission FF edit was adorable and very well put-together! Love the video! Glad to see someone so well-spoken who can speak up for everyone who cares about what the game was and could be. Amazing work!
I am not a masochist so I actually enjoyed the game more when GOATs got fucking obliterated. I'm not sure where these people who think GOATs era was better are coming from but they're insane.
@@parkingmeters2646 no. I'm saying for example, pigeonholing people into roles made the experience less fun, it doesnt allow for fluidity in a match. If an attack hero is a better medic, and a medic is a better attack hero, they have the ability to switch. Yeah sure they could have chosen at the beginning the appropriate roles, but the lack of allowance in these scenarios is what annoys me.
Returning to this video after they cancelled the PVE, the one thing they promised OW1 had been sacrificed for. Overwatch 2 really is nothing more than a cash shop and a monetization update. A sequel, it is not.
16:10 I kinda imagined that pin being a rusty, curved dagger. It's amazing how backstabbed Overwatch was. It's a second loved game (first being Warcraft 3) that blizzards outright assasinated. I wonder what's gonna be thir- Hey Diablo.
At first I laughed at wanting a gold objective rather than any other gold medal. Now joining a Overwatch 2 server and having an actual tank on objective or a dip tank actually dip is non existent.
2:49 ik what it feels like to enjoy a game that much In fact, Ima go add some more hours to my 1086.9 hours on Terraria or 404.9 on TModLoader or 203.5 on Risk of Rain 2 or 130.2 on DRG or 70.8 on UltraKill
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This turned into a real long goodbye, but I wanted to be fair and balanced to the unreasonable and greedy game.
I need a rest now...
You have a point, but no need to strawman counter arguments.
Overwatch doesent need to be free to play, but it cant exist under the old box model. 60 dollar one time purchase, no extra purchases available in game.
If you want a multiplayer game that frequently receives new content, it needs to be monetized more than once. The question is how.
Most gamers have decided that battle passes are better than lootboxes. Multiple countries banned lootboxes because of the outrage. So that's why we're here now. It's not just because big mega corp bad and people defending battle pass shill
Dont worry , they will solve all the problem in overwatch 3
Unfortunate that they never removed forced losses from the game. Dogshit Devs = Dogshit game
If you let something so insignificant to actual gameplay ruin the game for you, then i can't really see how you were a fan to begin with. if microtransactions make you leave then that seems like you only care about cosmetics, in which case Overwatch was not for you anyways.
@@scrilla4047 According to Blizzard's own numbers, the game made $800 million in 2020 and 2021. They weren't hurting for money, at all.
My Dad still plays Splatoon 1's multiplayer. It's the only video game he plays. He's probably got thousands of hours on it at this point
Cool
your dad is based
Does he not have a switch or is he just uniterested in 2 or 3?
@@abra_escaped he does have a switch, he just prefers the WiiU controller (kinda funny, I know)
I'll be back to playing splatoon 1 some time.
Boy, this aged well
It really did, in all the saddest ways, it's gonna keep aging like the finest wine we can produce
You have no idea
The game spend a total of six months alive before falling dead on the ground again
It sure did. They just pretty much jettisoned their eSports division. RIP
Boy this aged weller
I enjoy how much focus you put on the shop and the battle pass. The fact that I paid for OW1, can't play it anymore, but also have to pay horrendous amounts for the skins I could've gotten for free, is straight up evil. Blizzard fully intended to make OW2 just good enough for people not to complain about their singular goal of changing the monetization method and raising prices. Too bad they failed in that too.
Yup kinda fucked up I bought overwatch when it first came out, I sold it bc I needed money well fats forward to now I ended up buying the game not knowing about overwatch 2 .now I’m kinda pissed and as much as I love overwatch I refuse to play a game like this
So wait? You can't even play the base game you bought as single player? I dabble in some PC gaming but nothing live service or multiplayer modes (prefer single play). I do play Genshin and another gatcha but the base game is free.
Bro you had many years to get all the skin in ow1. You also have legacy coin.
I hope you understand that letting ow1 and ow2 at the same time would be very bad for the community ?
@@fatalblue Overwatch 1 was full online, and overwatch 2 is the same thing has overwatch 1.
@@ni9274 the account merge also removed spme peoples items theyd collected too, i had more highlight intros and skins thst ive now lost, ive also been playing ow since 2017 and almost exclusively played mercy, still only had 2 legendary skins for her
Update: PVE is cancelled. Meaning overwatch 2 is literally just overwatch with balancing changes.
Did you mean literally just Overwatch with a store bolted on?
Winning a game with every one of your teammates on fire felt so great
true, but not for that one guy who wasn't :D and that was a lot of these moments and nowadays in political correctness, this is why it exists :D to defend this nonsense... to stop it we must fight against it, mostly politically by voting the right guy who doesn't support stuff like that :d
@@cooller8888 the mental gymnastics to turn losing the On Fire system to voting for a right wing politician is on an olympic scale
@@Akister He said voting for the right guy, not a right wing politician. Your TDS is showing.
@danse en rouge Ayye. Legit don’t type and post that shit online. That shit 100% will be read back to you in a courtroom some day. Had a close friend get arrested in Tulsa Oklahoma after going to some BLM protests and they fucking read out his Facebooks group comments to a jury to try and get him tried for inciting violence. DO NOT POST THAT SHIT DUDE.
@@Akister not being capable to comprehend two sentences and comment on them anyways is stupidity. I haven't said WHO or what side, I said the right guy not "right-wing", you decide yourself, however, this is the reason these things are changing if you deny it you are in delusion. This whole decision is based on political correctness like it or not.
As usual Blizzard had a good thing on their hands and managed to ruin it through greed and stupidity.
Hope their streak continiues and ruins them.
By now they deserve it
@@masterzoroark6664 honestly they do deserve it, I know it's weird but I hope OW2 dies quickly just to see if they understand that they can't make a worse product, make it free and pretend it's better
@@NA-nz9lv if there are wales in mobile games.
there are gonna be wales with pc games too.
i will honestly be surprised if overwatch 2 fails
due to how stupid wales are i expect them to be foolish at this point.
if they are gonna provide fuel for lazy mobile game dev's
they very well might fuel blizzard as well.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 whales are a small percentage of all players though, they can spend as much as they want but if the player-base starts declining the game will die without a doubt. Also buying skins and battle-passes is not the same as buying the kind of in-game advantages mobile games offer, from my point of view the best way to sell skins is to have the biggest player-base possible since someone that already bought a skin for a character, let's say genji, will probably not buy another skin for said character.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 true I already know so many people who have forked over a shitload of cash for this game
Not being able to endorse the enemy team was the first negative change I noticed, I always tried to endorse the enemy team if they did well, now I just have to settle for endorsing teammates
True. I wish I could endorse the enemy.
Sometime the enemies are just so good, or make such a huge difference in a key moment that I want to endorse them.
Now I just have to praise them in the match chat.
@@Hookandlooptape Just wait until they pull a MOBA and make it team-chat only to avoid "toxic behavior". ;)
@@Acehalo2 yes my toxic behavier of saying. "I totally didn't see that coming, nice work Hanzo."
@Andrew C True, I'd also love if I could see the stats of every member on my team so I could remember if I was being trash or goated.
I don't want to endorse most of my team, they suck. The enemy kiriko that I befriend though, they either be able to get a green
What I find weird about the “on fire”system is that the new heroes have voice lines for it as well. Makes me think it was a last minute decision to cut it out and maybe they’ll add in it later with all the other features removed…
Yeah I’m pretty sure they already said it was a temporary thing for some reason
Fr this version feels like a trial run. So many things are missing, small and big things.
@@Akechifan like bastion
As they said when Jeff was still part of Blizzard, they made multiple prototypes (bad sign for a software programmer like myself... Did no one made an sdlc plan for this game? It's the freaking basics on both development and business side of things?)
So most likely the on-fire was either ripped out from OW1 code without the visuals or they just used a part of one of those prototypes. (Heck I still feel this game is in Late alpha)
@@ashurad_fox5991 they literally have only spent the last year on multiplayer. We really are sorta playing the beta until the PvE comes out and the PvP gets patched and improved
I'm glad someone actually mentioned Blizzards disgusting internal practices in a review of this game. The biggest streamers and TH-camrs who claim to hate the practices buy the battle pass and make videos of them enjoying the game.
Because it's content people gonna watch and battlepass gonna make it easiee to access content
@@IkxiIt's still hypocritical and giving money to a wretched company who treats its employees horribly, especially female staff. And I should know, I worked there for years.
@@WobblesandBean So you worked for a company for years while they were mistreating their employees, especially female staff? And it's the gamers' fault for giving them money?
@@chrimony yeah gamers aren't in obligation to a company in fear of losing revenue, which you definitely are with a job
In defense of people playing more kiriko and moira, I've heard the argument that since there are fewer tanks and everything hyperoffensive now, that means that most healers need to both be in Line of Sight to heal and also stay out of Line of Sight to avoid the snipers and Sojourn railguns that will end them very quickly. Moira and Kiriko have teleports which allow them both to reach their teammates safely and also to try and bail when things inevitably go south.
@@mightyhendo9828 you said you love to play Tank and Support but in the same stroke you say you don't on OW2 because everything is more offensive now if I understood that right...
if you'd be good at OW you wouldn't have these kind of complains, in fact the way your are complaining you sound like a lazy support who gets carried 90% of the time and rein shield spammers, which of course would give you a hard time playing OW2 since you are a bot essentially, I mean the fact you said that the stuns are gone already shows that you have no clue what you are talking about, reins shatter, junkrats trap, meis Ult, anas sleep dart, roadhogs hook, they all count ... so either you never even bothered looking at the kits of the heroes and merely jumped onto the hate bandwagon or you have srsly no reason to be complaining whatsoever since you probably never even touched the game.
if you get actually get behind it and aren't some bronze 5 scrub then the 5v5 makes sense and feels way more rewarding as a support because you actively helped with kills/assists and objectives instead of spamming heals like a bot, tbh if you can't 1v1 any close range dps (except sombra because she is a cheap bitch with her hacks) with a bap or lucio, then you don't belong anywhere near silver anyways.
if there is ANYTHING to complain about it's the matchmaking and the ranking system in comp, the reason why dps aint peeling is because you get paired with a bunch of bots or quitters in the first place whilst the refill is either slow or never happens like in comp :) .... also yes of course new heroes are OP, how the fuck are you marketing a new character that is mediocre?
My thing with Moira is that I don’t really care that she can teleport, I agree with that, and I also have no problem with Kiriko
You’ll find I like each and every support because playing Support, IS NOT EASY
But my thing I hate about Moira is that not only does her attack heal her as she deals damage, but it practically locks on to its target, unless you can duck behind a wall between shots (which she can easily teleport behind as well) you’re gonna have a rough time dealing with her
I’ve been using Hanzo lately because I’ve been wanting to hone my skills, if I can hit someone with a tiny hit box like Moira’s or Kiriko, with an arrow that takes time to travel a distance and not a bullet that just zips straight to its target, I shouldn’t struggle too much against her when I play heroes like Bastion, Cassidy or Soldier
Kiriko saved this game for me. I almost quit because I did not want to be stuck playing Moira all season just to fucking survive this game.
Not only that, moira is heavily picked because she is the only support whose ULT directly does damage. In a game that is as aggressive as ow2 why wouldnt support mains go moira? But we are hearing cries to nerf her into the ground when the true change she needs is a more narrow lock on that isnt like old Sym.
@@Asaucytaco11 At this point, why bother having support characters ?
I actually really liked the loot boxes you would earn through leveling for somebody who only casually played every once in a while...didn´t spend any extra money but got some really nice skins...in comparison I would probably need to waste like $500 to buy the same skins now lol
Blizzard doesn't want people to ply their games and enjoy it they want them to endlessly pay in their games and don't give a damn if it's fun anymore
Lootboxes can in border scenarios cause addiction.. but the truth no one said was, that people of those border scenarios are much more likely to throw themselves of the 10th floor, or under the train, than to get addicted.
Battlepass however intentionally takes all the fun away from progression, with the idea of forcing a player ultimately buying it... But the truth is, there is nothing I would grind from the pass, let alone waste money on.
same i started loving them more when I started getting items repeatedly that gave me coins to get the event skins
@@-the_emperor-1660 yeah lootboxes addiction bad unlike battle pass that you have to invest 10 times more time for a non-reward
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
As a tf2 player watching a brother from a different mother died such a depressing and bitter death. its like
2 people having a showdown just for the other one died unhonorable death like a random guy from the side line shoot 1 of them. As if a rival died by falling in a random manhole.
*It's just very bitter*
Something I really miss is the portrait system. I was just about at silver when ow1 ended and I was looking forward to getting it to the next level. Don’t understand why it’s gone? Even though you didn’t get anything from it, it at least gave you a sense of progression. I also hate the new comp system and not being able to see the points I get after a match.
This. What bothers me the most is that I really don't see ANY reason to put that system to rest. Like why? Keep the system and also give people rewards for leveling up. For old players who are about to or have already reached the max level raise the level cap and introduce new interesting looking borders to optain. Ain't that sort of expension of progression something a sequel should thrive to introduce? So sad about this tbh
Because they want the only sense of progression to be from the endlessly-resetting battle pass that you have to pay for.
As a OW1 support main, I wholeheartedly agree that since OW2, the more I play the less fun I have and the less I find myself playing whatsoever. I started out playing maybe half a dozen games in a session, and now by the time I finish my second quick or ranked play I feel no desire to continue playing and just straight close the game. I especially love how the Halloween event (one of my favorite parts of overwatch seasonal stuff) has turned into something that I played twice, felt like I got nothing out of it, and never played it again. I would play those for a fun change of pace to get me new cosmetics (at least the loot boxes gave me a little bit of something and could get them for free), and would still at least let me level up my account. I’m pretty close to just deleting OW2 outright. Actually, after writing this, I think I’ve given myself all the reasons I need to stop playing altogether
same 🥺
There it is, my exact experience
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
Sometimes, you just need to lay everything out for someone else, to realize what you already knew. Or as HP Lovecraft put it 'At some point humanities accumulated disparate knowledge will lead it to a reality so horrifying they will go mad from it, or run screaming back into the comfort of a new dark age.' (paraphrase)
Used the play mercy, zen and Moira. Now I don’t play at all. That was the evolution from OW to OW2
I think the thing that really hammered the nail in the coffin for me was removing the find group function.. here's a team based game but gfy play by yourself
It kinda is the same thing? If you play alone you get random teammates, if you look for a group, you get random teammates
I think the thing is that you could get a group that can tell you what the plan is (who plays who, who does what) before getting into a game, but now you can’t huddle up and set up a plan. Which leads to disjointed teamwork from what I can guess.
I really miss the medals and being on fire especially as a support player main mostly that was you one chance to have some light shed on the background help you do. You’ll never get potg as someone like mercy but at least they used to show how much healing you done and damage amp assist you had. Now it’s nothing no display for being a good support which will make ppl just want to play dps and tank even more
But everyone can see your healing? It makes it so that you can’t lie ,while your damage amp doesn’t change other then there not being medals.
@@lostmind9072 yeah which is good they should keep leaderboards but people will briefly see it and not rlly care or say non in chat hence why as a support it feels unnoticed as where at the end with the gold medal it’s put for display
@@carterfn5939 thats just not true at all, trust me your team AND the enemy team do notice when you outheal your opponents or your second Support.
as a main support player i could care less about the medals and am actually glad they're gone. no more feeding teammates using their "medals" as a coverup for their poor teamwork skills
so the moral of the story is: no matter how much valve fucks up there will always be another game to prove TF2 is eternal.
can i play tf2 without getting infested with bots?
@@PvtFlowers actually yes. The bot crisis has been curtailed for a few months now. I almost went a whole month with no bots
@@PvtFlowers 90 % of overwatch players reasonings as to why tf2 sucks (as if they don't have toxicity, balancing issues, no major updates , weird ass community (the abundance of you know what) and whatnot(NOT COUNTING OW2 THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK FOR THAT ONE)) is "HuR DuR , No UdPaEt , ChReTaR". No hate to ow gameplay, it is fine, EXEPT THE BALANCING ISSUES
@@PvtFlowers Bots are surprisingly lesser these days, I've been playing recently with Halloween going on and I could count on one hand the amount of bot encounters I've had. On top of that most players kick them quite quickly so they just pop up like a tiny nuisance.
@@megacringe6475 Do they think the community can keep the game alive without any major update? and that may be true in most parts but it doesn't mean that the game needs these updates and valve should leave it be we have rights as players.
I've heard that the reason for removing things like the end cards and the medals was a sort of toxic prevention. Like they're trying to stop people from using those things to put themselves above the rest of the team and shit on them as bad players or something.
But if that's the case, then this new scoreboard of everyone's stats make this 10 times worse.
Think about it, it's easier then ever for a toxic player to single out a teammate who is "underperforming" and get on their case about it. now all they have to do is press tab, look at the numbers, and boom. a one-way ticket to 'Uninstall game you trash 1IQ noob' station.
I think this was specifically to prevent people from using the medal as leverage. Like some here so do more damage than others, but if you’re gold medal damage as Moira and everyone on your team is dying over and over that medal means nothing. The numbers at least could show that the team mate is totally fine. Like if the dps are calling no heals and both supports have big numbers or high deaths or both the whole team can see that. Idk if it’s working that way, but I think that’s what they’re going for.
Man Blizzard just dont know what theyre doing
People just crap on each other more during the match.
Literally just had someone get on my ass for having the lowest damage than every one else, despite it still be over 10 thousand. Like wtf, you are absolutely right, people see a lower number than the rest and automatically single it out. This system allows for even more toxicity
I also literally don't care. I don't advocate for a return to CoD MW2 slur lobbies. But if you seriously get upset because some stranger says "bro ur playing like shit look im gold" then you need to just get a grip, anything more and just mute them. People are genuinely just pathetic now
For a DT project all the way back when I was doing my GCSE’s, I had an ‘Overwatch Artbook’. Studying it over and over it’s permanently burned into my mind, despite me not playing much of the game. Lot of the points proposed in this video, especially the ones about the visual changes (such as the time of day changes) are completely accurate. Even from the concept art, the time of days were absolutely intended when designing them.
Great video!!
I got the same artbook for Christmas. It always makes me miss the old days of overwatch
Considering the recent announcements... this video is incredibly spot on, haha.
I'm out of the loop, what are the recent announcements?
@@markhaga8408 They cut the expansive replayable free PVE mode with character customization/builds and have since announced that PVE is now coming in 'chapters' that you have to purchase for 15$.
As Someone who plays TF2, I never hated over watch. Heck I thought it was pretty cool lore wise, Kind reminded me of MegaMan X lore wise. But sadly blizzard was too caught up in their own vices to see its potential. I’ll simply be keeping an eye on it until the story mode is Finished and once then, I’m done. I won’t praise the end of it or curse it’s makers name. Simply put I’ll say goodbye to a game I never really got into but still enjoyed from afar: Farewell Overwatch.
I used to like Overwatch story... But then they got to pandering.
I'm gay and I feel fkin annoyed at what Blizzard did- Tracer, cool, but then they started to make everyone gay and shit without context
@@masterzoroark6664 there's only like 2 gay characters in overwatch.
The game was dogshit with forced losses, there was nothing to miss.
@@masterzoroark6664 Lmfao, dude thinks gay people need context to exist. News flash: gay people just exist. they dont need lore or a backstory to explain why they're gay, they just ARE. it doesn't even affect gameplay, and if you didnt know about the lore you'd have ZERO idea that Tracer or S76 are gay.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@masterzoroark6664 inst it only like tracer and maybe soldier that’s gay?
This is exactly how I feel! As a "casual" player I would come on when I had the time, bash out a few quick plays, get a few SR in comp, open a few loot boxes hoping for skins or credits(I actually didn't mind the loot boxes), and then call it a day! Logging off with a smile on my face, knowing that it would be there for me when I came back. And now, well, now it isn't there anymore :(
same dude, I don't play OW competitively. to me its like turn my brain off for a couple of hours, pew pew pew, get lootbox, get the skin I want, happy, do it again... it was bliss. now that's gone
@@flapjackpancake5486 Yep. I will miss it greatly.😔
@@flapjackpancake5486 I catch myself getting angry at the game too when i just wanna chill
@@stalebread9825 maybe because I was also playing R6 at the time all my stress and competitiveness went into that so when I play overwatch its just this colorful relaxing game to me
@@flapjackpancake5486 Most creators, and I think they spoke for all of us, said something among the lines of "Overwatch used to be fun because it used to be clumsy, messy, casual.. It was just the perfect game to have some laughs with ye pals."
I fear that concept is long gone... And I think it actually began in OW1 where they made a bucnh of reworks which destabilised the characters' identities. Maybe not writing wise, but definitely gameplay wise. And to me personally the change to 5v5 is an absolute hit in the sack... It makes the experience "MESSY, CLUMSY, COMPETITIVE"
This is an incredibly comprehensive overview of every issue that’s burning all of us original players up. Well done!
I personaly Love the gameplay as a Original Player🤷🏾♂️
as someone with over 1k hours on the game, OW2 is the most fun I've had playing in years
Blink twice if a blizzard employee is holding your family hostage
@@reyjustine7116 honestly i find the gameplay really great just the monetization is a little disappointing tbh
@@mz6137 yeah i think your in the majority of players. Especially people who were still playing ow1 in 2022. Im honestly much happier this way
As a completely new player to Overwatch, I didn’t really know what it was like to play the first game. For me, it’s fun to play and I like playing it. But now that I know how much there was before Overwatch 2, it made me realize how much of a slap in the face it was to old players. This video really helped me understand the perspective of old players, a perspective I believe was covered incredibly well by this video, so thank you for making this.
Edit: It's come to my attention that this isn't how all players have felt, and it was wrong of me to assume so. I'd like to hear if your oponions do differ so I can get a clearer consensus on the subject, thank you to everyone who said so.
I'm in the exact same boat as you. Its nice, and pretty fun actually for a free game. But it feels like I'm having fun playing in a bouncy castle turned into a mud pit. There's no reason to play other than the fun itself, and it still just leaves me feeling dirty.
Other than the monetization of the game and the ranking up system, the vast majority of returning players (myself included) disagree with many of his complaints, specifically the gameplay. I wouldn't say this vid provides an accurate perspective of most returning players.
@@nicholastoastcrunch Ehh OW2 gameplay has positives and negatives it's kind of a wash at best. It doesn't feel like a new game and has WAY too much RNG nowadays. I've noticed that overall people are already not playing anymore 😬
I hope you stop playing the game. We need to collectively curb this bullshit or it's going to keep getting worse. Activision Blizzard deserve be bankrupt. They need to be bankrupt.
@@AuthorityCat I definitely agree that what Blizzard/Activision has done in the past few years is terrible and they do deserve heavy backlash. However, I’m going to keep playing it, just not gonna spend money on it. It makes me feel pretty conflicted because while I don’t at all like what Blizzard is doing, in reality there’s nothing I can really do by myself against a multi-million dollar company fueled by greed. And that’s the sad truth about a lot of popular companies these days, we can’t fight against their malpractices individually.
"Im not even adding in the PvE stuff" Yeah, neither will Blizzard:D:D:D:D:D
For the people that were playing overwatch 1 for a long time our accounts are very rare because we literally got a ton of skins from loot boxes and events… I feel so bad for these new players that are downloading the game and they realize they can only get 60 coins for Weekly challenges to buy a skin that they want😔
on top comes the fact that the game has like no progress outside of the battlepass ._. i just hop on for like 3-4 matches for the old times but now people just spam zarya , soujourn and all the broken crap just to say gg ez afterwards, people dont play for fun in ow anymore mostly , game is infested with 11-13 year olds switching from apex or fortnite to ow2 bcs its free to play , game feels so bad behind the curtain, its like you hold a lit candle thats is in a snowstorm and you try to protect it from going out .... ;cries;
iam literally crying over this game from what it has turned into :/ all good ow memories lost , all went downward after jeff kaplan left probably bcs of activision since he knew what would happen :c
i tried overwatch 1 and regret not continuing in overwatch 2. Ontop of bugs not giving me my new skins, i dont get thje old ones lol
I literally have thousands of dollars worth of skin from ow1
@@asis1995818 same , still doesnt make the game any better tho
It's hard to make a game with a soul when the company itself has no soul anymore.
True. Activision is basically the one controlling Acti-Blizz. Im sure the Blizzard in them made this game but Im sure Activision had some part in some of the monetization. If only Activision didn't buy Blizzard to fuse with them into becoming something worse than both of them.
In modern buisness, if the goal of the company is "growth". then removing the soul is a must. Which for most companies in the buisness of making profit, strive to do.
@@valeoncat13 every company in the world's goal is to make money to stay afloat. In order to to stay afloat they need sacrifices. So said quality may be sacrificed for something in return
@@valeoncat13 Nintendo has their moments like Battle League or alot of their free update games have the same thing where pass the launch of said title they add updates to try to keep the game alive and get more people to buy it. This experiment has worked (Splatoon and Mario Maker) but mostly failed such as Mario Strikers Battle League and Switch Sports where the updates feel like basic stuff that should have been there day one and caused the game to flop because of it.
@@valeoncat13 Then we have games that go the free to play route. Unlike Already Paid Games, Free to Play Service games can potentially earn way more money than paid ones. A good example is Fortnite, Save the World was good but not many people played it because it cost money. When Epic Games experimented with the Battle Royale Genre starting up at the time, The hit a goldmine of popularity and profits. I think Fortnite BR's Monetization is really fair, even if you don't buy V-Bucks stuff like the battle pass give 300 V-bucks every season, give it a few months and Youll earn enough for the battle pass.
Fortnite's Influence is a Blessing and a Curse. As other games have tried implementing this Battle Pass system. Games like Fall Guys and Rocket League in my opinion do it just fine in my opinion
But then we have games that sort of misused this concept for profit. Our example here. Overwatch 2, It cost 10 dollars as I see most BPs do but this battle pass doesn't give any of the currency back its clear Acti-Blizz is trying to earn more profit by making people pay 10 dollars each time they want the battle pass. Fortnite, the game that sort of invented/Popularized the Battle Pass, gives you more than enough currency (1500 V-bucks) to get Next Season's Battle Pass. But clearly Acti-Blizz isn't as Generous as Epic Games as they don't give shit.
I actually preferred loot boxes because they were a minimum 35 credits if I had all duplicates.
30 minimum... 3x grey = 15 + 1x blue = 15 = 30
And the max being 2k
@@CuriosityMisledMe nop... max was 1100... u can only get 1/4 that's just money, last 3/4 have to be dupes... that's 3x legendaty dupes 200 = 600 + 1x 500 chest with cash = 1100 :)
@@spyro257 Legendary dupes and legendary cash drops were 500 each. 4 drops. 2k.
@@CuriosityMisledMe u are talking to a guy that's played that game for over 6 years, playing at least a little every day... legendary dupes were 200 each and legendary money were 500... purple dupes were 50 and money were 150... blue dupes were 15 each and money were 50... just look it up, u have google...
You didn't even touch on the maps that were removed.
Blizzard World, Numbani, Hanamura, Rialto, Havana, Temple of Anubis, Volskya Industries- all gone.
*_They've literally removed more maps than they've added._*
Watching this for the first time after they cancelled PvE, and yeah, makes me feel like I wasted my time even playing the second game to begin with. Even if it was for a week, still. I got that battle pass cuz the skin was cool and I was really hoping the PvE would be decent. Mann Vs Machine by a company that still touches the game would have been cool.
I finished the video now. Oh my god.
@@RelaxingAppleU ok?
I unintentionally helped fund abuse by giving BlizzardActivision money so no it's not good
This video keeps aging like fine wine
I feel validated in knowing that the game can very quickly feel overwhelming visually. There are particle effects, intrusive UI, and so much going on on screen that I, on occasion, don't even know where I should look during a team fight. I do not have this problem in competitive TF2.
I maintain that Overwatch's art design has always been bad. It's always been far too cluttered with detail for its own good.
Team Fortress 2's art design has gotten worse over time as well, I think. But TF2 started out with perfect art design, then transitioned to "okay" over time. TF2 at its worst is still better than Overwatch at its best.
Hell, Overwatch actually had one really great design in Tracer. In OW1 she had just the right balance of detail and negative space, that she felt genuinely iconic. Then in OW2 they stripped away so much that made her design work, broke up her negative space with pointless extra detail, and just made her whole design worse for no good reason.
Overwatch has one of the simplest visual designs
@@tbotalpha8133 Tf2’s decrease is due to most (if not all) content being made by the community, who may or may not want to make items true to the art style.
@@eeeertoo2597 Watching other people play Overwatch makes me feel like I have ADHD. In TF2, in a single glance I can tell who is present, how many enemies/allies and roughly where on the map they are.
@@Octanis0 Probably cause you’re used to one and not the other, in TF2 everything kind of blends together imo, in OW the fact that theres only 5 characters to keep track of and unique they look in contrast to the map allows me to focus easily
And now it's even worse with the knowledge that pve is cancelled.
Yes... the reason why that number 2 being in there...
Here's the thing. They promised maps with active day cicles. All the did was change the time for SOME of the maps. Illios and other king of the hill type of maps already had those different daytimes in OW1. You could only see them in Deathmatch modes, but they where there and i played hundreds of hours of hide and seek on them. They where hatted for the color palett and once workshop enabled us to move modes in to different presets, nobody played on those "mexico fillters" anymore.
This video made me realize how much I miss the first year of Overwatch
I completely forgot Dva had a short and remembering it exists makes me sad
The map lighting bugs me, too, because some maps are so bright I have to lower my gamma, etc, to make it visible without blinding me. . . So other maps (Adlersbrunn/Halloween Eichenwalde) are just expanses of darkness that I can't see.
The lighting sure isn't pretty to look at, but it seems you have some serious problems with your screen and/or settings.
This! I actually got lost when I was first playing Wrath of the Bride because the tunnels/dungeon area was so dark. My teammates had to come back and lead me through lol
Play zarya on the night time eichenwalde map. Lol her beam literally blinds you.
Screen problem, I don't have any issue
Yeah. Had that in a game yesterday. Genji's mythic face mask (on EVERYONE's screen), Brig's shield, and Zarya's Beam/Ult were all blinding.
13:50 thank you for pointing out how they deemphasize the importance of objective time. One of my biggest frustrations is having a team that keeps leaving the objective in favor of getting more kills. It’s especially annoying because I prefer support, but then I’ll get yelled at if I stay and actually work on our objective.
I really appreciate this video you made, I was new to overwatch and could not for the life of me figure out why my gameplay didn’t feel fun nor look at all like the interesting gameplay I’ve seen in the past.
What you’ve brought up really highlighted every issue I had in my horrible first gaming experience I had with overwatch.
Wow, I didn’t even realize I’d sat through a 40 minute video until I looked at the time after it was over. I guess time flies when you make good content, a lesson the ‘geniuses’ behind OW 2’s new progression system have yet to learn...
Congratulations to OW2 for being the first game to drown its maps in orange sunset so hard it gives motion sickness faster.
No . He just plays with everything maxed on 60fps gess V-Sync as well .
The ugly orange sunsets still ruin like half the maps lmao
@@xythiera7255 Oh no, I mean it. Flooding your face full with yellow shades has been proven to trigger nausea and motion sickness in people. Try sitting in a car when it's the golden hour/right when the sun sets against the horizon and floods your eyes with yellow and orange, you will start feeling super sick.
@@xythiera7255 I've chosen to play Overwatch 2 in MOST settings in low
you literally have no idea why they introduced that and it shows
Glad I'm not the only one that realized how nice two tanks were, like that brothers in arms feel you don't get everywhere.
Tbh it makes u feel like u can only do like.. 3 out of all the tanks now.
Or else ur “throwing”
But hey.. It just got worse🎉
For me, the funniest and the most painful thing about all of this is rather personal. I bought the game after its release, but almost immediately lost the access to my PC for years, only returning a week before they forced Overwatch 2 onto the players.
Practically, I paid 60$ for a broken free2play game that sees its players only as paypigs. *That's hilarous.*
I was just about to say, anyone who bought overwatch 1 has essentially now been locked out of that game permanently. Like yeah, overwatch 1 and 2 are essentially the same base game, but as is pointed out in the video they 100% provide different experiences.
I mean that’s kinda on you tbh for losing access to the game, it’d be like buying a game then breaking your pc only to be mad that it’s basically a new game after 3+ years
You lost access to your PC for 6 years?
@@Viole01 You see, I don't really remember them stating "Oh hey, you have only 6 years to play the game, and after that we'll take it away and replace with a horrible free-to-play version."
Yeah, some pay-to-play games do switch to free-to-play model, that happened to Awesomenauts and TF2, which costed 5$ and 20$ respectively, *but* they didn't change anything else. They didn't lock content behind paywall and battlepasses.
*Overwatch was a 60$ game.* You can't go "oh it's kinda on you tbh" for me not expecting them to *literally take away* the game I paid full price for not 10, not 20, but 6 years ago and replace it with a chinese rip-off that solely exists to be a cash grab.
"it’d be like buying a game then breaking your pc only to be mad that it’s basically a new game after 3+ years" - It's just a wrong statement, it's a wrong statement from a really stupid person. As I said, they *removed* the game I paid for and replaced it with a piece of crap only to make more money. I'm not "mad because it's basically a new game after 3+ years", *what the hell are you even talking about you empty-headed moron*, adding new content to the game and murdering it in order to grab some money isn't the same thing.
Honestly, how dull you are?
@@C75903 Had to leave it behind when was moving really far away.
Overwatch lore is un untapped goldmine of content tbh. So many possible interactions and storylines they could weave together
Meh
It's super disappointing, like why build up characters, give them lore, and even confirm that some of them are LGBTQ- just to do absolutely nothing with them at all?
Same goes for the mysteries surrounding the world, like the resurgence of Omnics.
At one point in time, OW was interesting and layered enough to keep engagement going.
@@lemondroptop the resurgence wasn’t a mystery btw, the bigotry against them never went away, Ramattra got tired of this after the thing that happened in Tracer’s latest comic and decided to attack again
Big gaming companies just don't care anymore. They know there's always gonna be idiots that throw money at them no matter the quality of the games they deliver.
Not all, there are a few that still care but they’re few in number unfortunately :/
@@mr.shin.5138 I'm talking triple a companies specifically. Of course there's still companies like From Software that make great games without having dogshit predatory monetisation systems, but companies like that are few and far between.
Cries
There are fews that still care, but the ones that don't are a take a good chunk of the industry.
As a Mercy main I really miss the endgame commendations you can give people, as it was the only time I got recognised for the good work I do. It felt so great to see your upvotes go up and up, and even the enemy supporting me. Now there's just a number on the scoreboard, and the game ends. Feels so soulless
I recall a review of Overwatch when it was still new. They said "It's a Blizzard game, and Blizzard's known for supporting its products for an extremely long time. So there's no need to worry about them shutting the servers down for a very, very long time."
I guess that line didn't age very well.
Seeing leaderboards is so funny when philosophy of OW1 (said by Kaplan) was moving away from leaderboards and K/D ratios.
Cooperative teamplay was so encouraged in initial years of OW1. Now new people at helm have no vision for the game.
Overwatch sparked a flurry of games to become what they are including Fortnite and Apex. Too bad to see even Overwatch is fading compared to OG Overwatch.
@@MartinHindenes OverWatch was a genre defining game, OverWatch 2 is a trend chasing game. They should just go back to their roots and focus on what made the game great instead of trying to turn it into a generic game.
Yeah that was great and all until you were getting yelled at by some rando on the team that he has ‘4 golds!’ and then get shit on by the team for your hero pick because no one can tell who’s performing well and who isn’t. Unfortunately OW1’s vision for cooperative team play only works with a group of friends and not random players you’ll spend 20 minutes with at most to act as a team.
While you’re welcome to dislike the changes acting like OW1 had it all figured out and then OW2 ruined it actively ignores the huge glaring faults OW1 had with its medal system and lack of transparency on your team’s performance. But you know, let’s just keep ignoring the past problems so we can shit on OW2 easier.
@@nostop2769 OW obviously didn’t have everything figured out. But what they did have figured out was removed in OW2.
On a side note, if one person had 4 golds along side their team getting beat, they would technically have a point that people aren’t doing their job properly.
@@CuriosityMisledMe And what exactly did they have figured out that they removed? The inability to actually verify yourself your teams performance rather than just ‘I’m doing enough damage, trust me bro’?
And that was a hyperbole example, but at the same time there’s no way to verify the guys claim without arguing that ‘no, I actually have gold damage’ and it just turns into a big shitfest.
I like how you view some changes to OW2's gameplay that are almost universally praised as something to be concerned about. Not often you see such critique that doesn't solely focus on monetization.
For those of us who were still playing the game in the last year or so, the changes only serve to anger and alienate people. It's a worse game, the best update they could literally do would be to reverse most of the changes made with overwatch 2.
I’m glad he brought up 5v5, I think it’s a step down which seems to be a rare opinion but they changed how most tanks play and removed one. There are a million ways to reduce double shield and they chose the one that changes how the game as a whole plays.
@@FragMaster93 Which ended up being the better option. There was no way to make 2 tanks work unless you lower not just their shields but their healthpool down until it they were just glorified DPSs.
The problem didn't lie necessarily in double shields but in the ridiculous huge healthpools which turned the fights into a messy brawl which was just a race to see who would get ults first since that was the most consistent way to break through the massive healthpools both tanks brought. 5v5 is considered by most to be a welcome change... because it is a welcome change
@@FragMaster93 They took the lazy option. Same thing happened when they forced role queue on everyone. Instead of actually balancing the game, they took the lazy approach that still failed to address the underlying issues.
@@gracecalis5421 personally I disagree, most tanks don’t use their health to mitigate damage and it’s too keep them from being deleted too quickly when their main mitigation (shields ,matrix, over shields etc) wears off or doesn’t catch everything. I was never too bothered by double shield but it seems to be the primary offender that gets brought up with this change. At the moment you either have the blob that Pak describes or dps that just dive bomb the supports which a second tank could support or respond to where one can’t.
I think a lot more could have been done to balance things or reworks like Orisa. Much like 2cp, deleting things was the easiest but not necessarily the best option.
The readability thing is so true, I never realized it. I played OW2 for the first time after not playing OW1 for like two years and the first thing I see is someone from the corner of my eye with an assault rifle and gray hair lighting me up, I turn to shoot them and they fucking slide away backwards, I swear I yelled thinking they were hacking. My friends had to literally tell me that was a new character, lol.
The only issue with Loot Boxes was you could buy them, All they needed to do was allow you to buy credits directly as well as get them from lootboxes. Then you would get something each level, maybe play a character you wouldn't normally if you got a cool skin... and if an event came and you couldn't get the skin or wanted it earlier you could spend some cash.
FREE to open lootboxes that potentially contained EVERY skin in the game for just playing was one of my favorite things in overwatch 1 and one of the main reasons I kept playing and checking out events... now there's nothing to work for that isn't a garbage filler battlepass with skins worse than what I already had for free on ow1. I stopped playing like a week after release because of the removal of lootboxes.
It's amazing how we've got to the point where people miss lootboxes. I still remember how much drama there was when they were all the rage
well at least we're getting PvE in exchange for all these losses
...I'm sorry
The quiet "get that lootbox" was totally 16 year old me grinding tf out this game
nothing in the lootbox makes us a better player but it sure does keep us wanting to play the game, but now that's gone there's absolutely no reason to play anymore, for me at least. I just like collecting free meaningless shit
@@flapjackpancake5486 for real, even when i stopped to play daily i would always make sure to level up once a week and get a premium lootbox (plus a bunch from just playing and endorsement) to collect coins for new skins. Now the game doesnt even lets you LEVEL lmao
@@LorikQuinn there were 8 of us when OW started. the competitive ones were the first ones to go because they got bored of it. I was the last man standing because I liked grinding for skins, these new OW2 players saying "nobody cares about skins they don't make you a good player" yeah they don't but it sure as hell improve the lifespan of the game
@@flapjackpancake5486 collecting stuff feels good :) and then blizzard takes it away from us.
I'm about to finish the free battlepass in OW2 because i play with a friend, and the game literally has NO GOALS. You cant level, you cant collect, the challenges have crap rewards (and the XP ones will be useless after you finish the pass). How can they expect people to keep playing this game 6 months from now?
@@LorikQuinn ikr, the only thing worth a damn in that battlepass is the genji, the pass is basically a 10$ skin
and their shop tactics are actually illegal in multiple countries. Like certain cosmetics being supposedly being 20% off...except that is kept until the end of their availability and will be most likely repeated next year, For instance the Halloween kiriko bundle. there's actually been posts on the overwatch reddit that speak out about this and what authorities need to be contacted about it, but those were immediately deleted by the mods.
Awesome video man! Puts some of my feelings into words I wouldn't have found
22:30 OMORI OST MUSIC??? Good video. Really fun to watch and listen to.
Overwatch is an inspirational story of how Blizzard snatched victory from the jaws of defeat and then snacked defeat from the jaws of victory in Overwatch 2
I recently was convinced to download overwatch 2, I havent logged on since 2019 and found out it was shut down. I thought it was still up! The moment i got ingame and saw a BATTLE PASS I knew something was off. This video has explained everything I needed to know. I miss overwatch 1. You know its bad when people miss your lootboxes.
In the new game mode sucks so much , it takes like 30 secs to catch up with your team if you died
You're not wrong about it just being Deathmatch. Supports are just Damage characters who could heal, if they wanted to, but time to kill is so quick it's better off to just get kills yourself. Tanks are just Damage characters with high hit points and attacks that deal more damage than actual Damage heroes (guess that's why they're limited to one per team).
I wonder which support character you're referring to that has quicker TTK that it's better to get the kill yourself?
Tanks don’t do more damage than dps lol. And healer are extremely important cause without them the tank will die instantly.
OW2 gameplay is far better than ow1 gameplay, literally everyone agree on this.
Casual need to stop thinking the game should always be for them and not for the people playing competitive.
@ni 92 this is copium - of the 20 people i know who played ow1, 5 of whom were *very* highly rated and into the competitive side of the game, not a single one thinks this iteration is an improvement.
Cant speak for everyone but for me this is extremely telling
@@ni9274 overwatch 1 was pretty good until brig overwatch 2 is super boring and might as well be teamfight simulator if you have 1 bad tank and a lackluster dps you are guaranteed to lose whereas is overwatch 1 you could at least switch on the fly to any role. Tanks are by far the most broken but the role isn't played because it's the easiest to blame
@@slip-eez2477 wdym the role isn't played what, it has massively risen in popularity. Plus in ow1 role q was added so you couldn't switch on the fly... which is a good thing cause we got some awful metas from it and games were just dictated by "lol, their team has 4 dps and mine has 3 with a tank gg" And both games were a teamfight sim, it has always been that way and always will.
What’s this? No campaign still, questionable balance dessions, and greed pricing? Glad I fell off it years ago.
I couldn't find a video that summed up my thoughts so perfectly as you have done here. So many support the 5v5 change but as a healer/tank player I also felt that loss in dynamic when working with another tank and how playing support is a game of "can I keep the sole tank alive".
rip overwatch, you deserved more than this
your profile pic is amazing lol
Y’all are so over exaggerating
@@user-ze3ui1yd7m ikr 😂
I think he really loves playing the objective guys just a hunch
Especially when objective time is the stat that matters the least lol
@@jaybob1517 You are not a clown. You are the entire circus
Oh man, that point at 17:06 is incredible. Blob meta is real, every smart player just hides behind the one tank on their team.
so the game is just sit behind tank and press m1?
(never played btw)
@@moistisprobdead no
@@moistisprobdead yeah, pirate ship orisa/rein/bastion metas on payload were the worst
My fav animated short was the sombra one mainly because it wasn’t boring like the majority are and sombra in game personality was present in it lol
I'm here again after it was just recently confirmed that the PvE modes - the whole reason they stopped making any content of note in 2019 and this damn "sequel" was made to begin with - is now cancelled. Completely. Supposedly this is because the endeavour of making anything of merit had just simply gotten too hard for the devs, and they probably realized that just making terrible and overpriced skins instead was enough. Something they had started to realize, by their own admition, *eighteen months ago.* Thus, they will replace it with nothing. Nothing that wouldn't have been released anyway.
It's official: This "game" was nothing more than an update to the monetization system. Nothing but yanking away an annoying system and replacing it with an utterly odious and borderline criminal one. But hey, atleast it perfectly represents the company behind it.
So its like they lied to players why they were doing nothing with game?
@@predatorterroru Since at least 18 months ago... basically yes! Oh but they still do a lot with the game, they add like a new $30 skin bundle every other week. Terrific, isn't it?
blizzard chose greed over making a good playing experience. at least OW as the r34 gang to keep it relevant somewhat...
Honestly your comment on splatoon 1 severs still be around kinda made me realise how much splatoon 3 as a sequel runs circles around overwatch 2 sequel status. Espcially since both are iteration focused shooter sequels designed to take the core gameplay to it's best state yet.
Most noabtably comparing the progression system of splat 3 adds tons of new reasons to keep on playing and engaging with the game adding on to what worked about preivious instalments, compared to overwatch 2 which took away elements of progression such as borders.
And it also just the little things as well. Such as splat 3 introducing medals in conjunction with a scoreboard to offer both positive reinforcement and game statistics, the Ui changes that make the game so much easier to read the game state, having a training range to screw around in while waiting for games and I could go on and on. And it does all this all while keeping the same style and personality the series is known for.
It really does highlight how limp of a sequel overwatch 2 really is. Who knows mabey the Pve stuff will really bring the experience together but I'm not super hopeful.
"Another fun aspect of the blob meta is that I found it's much easier to push people back to their spawns and keep them there."
Demomains: allow us to introduce ourselves
6 months later and the PVE is gone lmao. Truly RIP Overwatch
They took 6v6 game with every character that was specifically designed for 6v6 mode, and made it 5v5 without changing anything lol.
Except they did. The game is more aggressive now
When you talk about Objective time, one thing you notice the higher you go up the ranks is that the game isn’t even about the objective itself, it’s about winning the team fight. Yes the game sells itself as a objective based game but you should always be looking to set up your positions and gain adavantages to win the team fight and the objective will follow suit. It’s simply a perspective lacking competitive knowledge above gold rank
yeah its about killing the other team in order to get the objective. Basically an objective based shooter, you shoot, you kill, you get the objective, you win, basically
This comment makes no sense lmao..
10:57 I actually want this to be a thing. I understand that if you play on one time everyday that you will get the same time but it sets the tone of when you play. If I’m having a gaming night I feel like it would be super cool if all maps were night time. It does actually add a lot of variety in the maps, or maybe just for someone who knows every nook and cranny of them.
Keyword server time. Now imagine the opposite where you are playing on a gaming night but the server time is 7am so its always bright and sunny in every map. Not very cool now :(
they should make it an option in the settings
This is an excellent presentation of what era of gaming we are at right now. Subbed!
Yeah, overwatch really hurts. It removed characters kits, Mei's ice, Mccree's flashbang, bastion and torbiorn. Like they could of just added like different weapon kits for heroes if they were gonna do that, let you keep playing with the old kit, but have this new kit. If you just remove how a character has played for years you basically just removed them from the game people payed for.
Now, that the PVE is officially cancelled, this video hits a little bit different...
Funny how Overwatch is all about being a hero who saves the world, but the publishers behind it were the true villains.
I don’t even know if this is actually confirmed, at the time I heard different stories about the situation alleging and denying the accusations but clearly one side is all I hear now and that’s all that matters apparently, time to change things from the inside out I suppose like the other companies.
The devs themselves were actually good people but sadly worked for something as evil as Activision. They actually had to fight them to make characters not be dlc in OW1. That was back in 2016 when Blizzard still had room to argue against Activision's intrusions. Sadly that's gone because Acti is deeply rooted inside Blizzard now
Would like to mention a few things I found differently than within this review of overwatch 2, I found it that you can endorse people in your group, as long as they're not your friend on battle net, which I know is rare but I've ran into that situation before myself. Also, my personal experience with flex queue is 80% support and there's still a chance at getting dps or tank, he is correct that you will most of the time get support though. The game feels a bit janky and don't get me started with the problem with people being kicked from lobbies and are unable to rejoin even if they tried. Thank you so much for this video and I enjoyed it a lot! I've played way too much overwatch lol!
I remember when I finally said I was done with Overwatch. I played the game from when Ashe came out, to I think the August of 2020. I had a lot of fun with the game when I first played it and loved playing as a healer to help my team. But near the end of 2020, I realized I was no longer having fun. I played the arcade just to get those 9 wins to get 3 loot boxes and the inevitable 2 or 3 I would get from leveling up in the process. I was stressing myself out with loss after loss all for a costume for someone I might play. And with this being the year we didn't get any new content, I knew we weren't going to get anything in the following seasons, so I dropped the game and never looked back. I had some fond memories of playing it, but not enough to keep me playing it. In the end, I'm glad I dropped the game.
Wow it even has a Huntsman? That's amazing. Every video I watch makes TF2 seem cooler
THANK YOU for doing this video. Nobody listens to me when I talk about the map redesigns. It's all orangy, boring and harder to see. Im glad to find out I wasnt alone with this opinion.
Don't tell him that they never even planned to release the PVE but just decided it's best not to tell us
That Tracer's Bombing Mission FF edit was adorable and very well put-together! Love the video! Glad to see someone so well-spoken who can speak up for everyone who cares about what the game was and could be. Amazing work!
Its absolutely insane how with each subsequent update the game got less fun lmao
This guy thinks goats was funnier than when goats was gone
I am not a masochist so I actually enjoyed the game more when GOATs got fucking obliterated. I'm not sure where these people who think GOATs era was better are coming from but they're insane.
@@gracecalis5421 same i dont get it
@@parkingmeters2646 There were 2-3 years of the game being out before GOATS was discovered.
@@parkingmeters2646 no. I'm saying for example, pigeonholing people into roles made the experience less fun, it doesnt allow for fluidity in a match. If an attack hero is a better medic, and a medic is a better attack hero, they have the ability to switch. Yeah sure they could have chosen at the beginning the appropriate roles, but the lack of allowance in these scenarios is what annoys me.
Tf2 players wondering what a update is
I'm glad someone is touching on these issues. Hopefully their staff sees this video
someone to touch on these issues? there has been hundred of vids
The fuck are you talking about. This is just as original as the dump I took in the toilet 3 hours ago.
@@hadespanda4572 XD
@@hadespanda4572 Just my opinion!
Staff touching things (that they shouldn't)? Isn't that part of the problem?
Returning to this video after they cancelled the PVE, the one thing they promised OW1 had been sacrificed for.
Overwatch 2 really is nothing more than a cash shop and a monetization update. A sequel, it is not.
This video was very fun to watch after the recent announcements about OW2, RIP forever
Blizzard handled this game the worst possible way 😂
...and then, things got much, MUCH worse...
I've been gaming for like 20 years and I literally can't tell the difference between OW 1 and OW 2.
16:10 I kinda imagined that pin being a rusty, curved dagger.
It's amazing how backstabbed Overwatch was. It's a second loved game (first being Warcraft 3) that blizzards outright assasinated.
I wonder what's gonna be thir-
Hey Diablo.
At first I laughed at wanting a gold objective rather than any other gold medal. Now joining a Overwatch 2 server and having an actual tank on objective or a dip tank actually dip is non existent.
Me, a titanfall player: First time?
2:49
ik what it feels like to enjoy a game that much
In fact, Ima go add some more hours to my 1086.9 hours on Terraria
or 404.9 on TModLoader
or 203.5 on Risk of Rain 2
or 130.2 on DRG
or 70.8 on UltraKill
RoR2 supremacists rise up!
170 hours on Titan Quest baby
If only my PS2 emulator tracked how much GodHand I played....
Thank you for such a well written video. It perfectly summarizes my feelings on its launch. You got my sub!
And Overwatch 2 will now officially ALWAYS have half the content it was supposed to. RIP Overwatch 2’s PVE mode. We literally never knew you.