I was Signal in the army. There is a part in We Were Soldiers, when Mel Gibson walks up to a group working on a long range radio, in the background you can see a guy stick his pinky in his mouth then swirl it on the inside of the connector of the hand set before plugging it in. I can tell you from experience that is the only way to get that thing to work, I've done it hundreds of times.
As a saying in the military goes, “you’ve got to lick it before you stick it” to lubricate the rubber o-ring in the connection that seals and waterproofs it.
My commo SGT would kill you for this. "Keep your ******* bodily fluids out of my god **** equipment!" He was one of those old crusty marines who joined the national guard later and it showed. He was right though, and his method of using chapstick on the connectors is actually way better than spit for many reasons. I can't tell you how many butts got chewed for swabbing a spitty pinky into the radio but he NEVER let it slide in the six years I knew him. One of his biggest pet peeves and rightfully so. Like he said "You wouldn't want me drooling all over your equipment would you?" I was almost convinced I'd catch him in the arms room one day spitting into all of our NODs and giving us pinkeye out of spite.
Wardaddy's sweetheart grip is so much more meaningful if you watch the deleted scenes from the movie. In these scenes Wardaddy tells the young recruit/main character about his young days, where he got too drunk at a party and got into a fight. Seeking to flee from the police, he rushes his little brother and his girlfriend into his car and drives off. Being drunk, he crashes the car and both his brother and girlfriend is killed. This got him imprisoned and his life since then was full of crime. He only got out of prison, because he agreed to sign up for the army. This context also explains his willingness to die at the end of the movie. He does not want to survive the war, as he has nothing to return to in the USA, other than a town that hates him and probably a life of crime and prison.
I hated that scene. As it's pointed out that Wardaddy's coat is old, his pistol and how he knew German before they went to war put in my mind he was a WW1 vet. I like that head cannon much better.
My Dad was in the Royal Canadian Air Force during WWII, and when the shot up aircraft returned from their sorties over Germany, the broken plexiglas was discarded and new windows and windscreens were replaced. My Dad would take pieces of the plexiglas and make small pieces of jewelry for my Mom, who was his sweetheart back home. There were some examples of scrimshaw and some pieces were worked into jewel-like hearts and broaches, which he either sent back to his girlfriend (Mom) in the mail, or brought back after he was released from duty. I don't say after the war ended, because he stayed on after the war, to help air supply food and medicine to the starving German people. This was before the famous Berlin air drop of food and coal to the Germans trapped in Berlin and isolated by the Soviet Union. He came home many months after the war ended, with his previous handmade jewels from WWII.
The scene from Saving Private Ryan where the two Czechs were killed was very common on the Atlantic Wall fortifications. While there were very good German units in the area, a large segment of the German troops actually holding the beaches were cobbled together units of relatively untrained troops. Young men, PoW's who volunteered just to get out of German POW camps and some really surprising examples. There was a soldier taken at Normandy who was Korean. He had been conscripted by the Japanese earlier in the war. During skirmishes between the Japanese and the Russian army, he was taken prisoner by the Russians. They scraped out thier POW camps to fill out penal units, units who were given rotten or semi suicidal attacks on the Germans. Doing this, he was taken prisoner by the Germans...who tossed him into a throw together unit at Normandy...where he was taken prisoner by the Allies after D-Day. The guy had a real WWII experience. His name was Yang Kyoungjong. He was turned over to the Americans and eventually settled in the United States.
This story has floated around for a while, but it’s never been definitively proven true. There were numerous Japanese soldiers who fought in the Wehrmacht however.
There is a movie about this i think its called Two Way and what is cool about the movie is each location they are in they speak the language of that place and it shows two rival Olympic runners 1 Japanese and the other Korean. The Korean get conscripted to fighting for Japan and he is then under the command of his running rival, then they both get captured together by the Russians go to gulags then are force in to penal squads in Stalingrad, then captured by the Germans and conscripted into the Wehrmacht just in time for the invasion at D-day to be captured by Americans. Cool watch
Yes, this list is heavily biased towards land war movies - Master and Commander being the sole exception. I'm surprised Das Boot hasn't gotten more attention for the detail in it, especially since they re-created an entire Type VII on a gimbal to make the movie.
The scene where one of the crew was washed overboard by a wave was an accident. The rest of the cast went through the man overboard drill so accurately, they left it in. They'd undergone training by veteran U-boat crew for months, and it really showed.
There is only two good WW2 movies ever made, Das Boot from 1981 and the Finnish Winter War from 1989. All the other war movies are crap. At least from the Allied side, only the Germans, Finnish and the Japanese can made good war movies.
9:10 this explains the Band of Brothers scene where Doc Roe chews out Harry Welsh and Dick Winters for not putting morphine syrettes on the injured Moose. "I do not see one syrette on this man's jacket!" he yells.
Yep! Former Combat Medic here, and I will say this much; a Medic can chew someone’s ass regardless of rank on certain things like this, and not get into a BIT of trouble either. Medics have a LOT of power in a field unit.
I liked, in the Hacksaw Ridge battle scenes, just how accurately they tried to get the actors falling down upon getting hit with head shots, how they would simply DROP to the ground, rather than putting on a big presentation, like so many of those silly scenes in war movies from yesteryear! This added an extra degree of realism to the scenes, which I thought was very well done.
Mel Gibson had to add some unrealism to the movie, as he thought that nobody would believe that Doss could have performed his heroic acts whilst as badly wounded as he actually was, so he underplayed his wounds.
@@iank5018 I STILL cannot believe he managed to pick up, carry or drag, and then tie up, and lower 75+ wounded GIs (and some Japanese), all without getting hit by shrapnel, being blown up, or shot by snipers!
I can’t believe that Black Hawk Down wasn’t mentioned once here! One of THE most realistic scenes in it was where they were cutting up (impersonating the commander) with each other, and blasting the rock music while gearing up and getting ready to go out on the mission. That shit was spot on!
When we had to eat MREs in the field I'd be one of the few people to go for the tuna with noodles packet. But I'd eaten enough of them to know that not only did it come with the little bottle of Tabasco, it also had the coveted chocolate-nut cake. That's some good eatin'!
tuna was great - with tabasco - at home my cat loved it and then almost immediately hated it and hated me for it but then kept going back for more dumb shit she was
I was in service during the transition from C-rats to MREs (early 1980s). Believe me, they were a welcome, major improvement. A Vietnam Huey pilot friend of mine shared an anecdote with me. In the evenings after returning from missions and his Huey was still cooling down, they'd pierce the C-rat cans with the opener and then put them in the exhaust cone of the bird to warm them up. A generation later, my guys and I would tear the MRE mains open slightly, then put them on the hot surface of a hydraulic power supply behind the shop.
That fact Platoon used the 25th ID patch was a favorite amongst us 25th ID soldiers. Our Lieutenant useda scene from the movie of what a war crime was, the scene when the "NVA soldier" runs from the village and Barnes pops him in the back with one shot. Instead of us cringing at the scene, they cheered, so much for War crime lesson number one.
John Kerry did that. Turns out a 16 yr old kid. Running away. And then made a movie of it for his drinking buddies....Till he tried to run for potus. War crime extraordinaire. Violates "Rules of Engagement" several times. Then claims a Purple Heart....Shot an unarmed civilian, shot in the back, shot a KID, made a film of it, And almost killed a Green Beret Capt. who fell off his boat as Kerry Fled the battle field. Then he deserted his crew and command to try and help family friends get elected in 1968. Does not have a DD-214. Just a letter of resigning his commission and a pardon from Jimmy Carter.
Yeah seems nothing have changed. Worse part is don't say it because they're gonna be insulted. Go read the My Lai massacre to understand what is the army position on that matter.
I was in DEP when Saving Private Ryan came out. One of the activities we had to do was go see the movie with a bunch of WWII vets and their spouses. About a half dozen of them were actually at Normandy. It was so bad the theater stopped the showing and turned the lights back on. These grown old men, grandpas most of them, were sobbing. The Top in charge of the outing started talking to most of the men and the film was decided to be resumed. My barely a boot a$$ remembers thinking what the f, it’s just a movie. Well after two tours in Iraq as a devil pup and many years later I began to shake the hand of any WWII vet I met. Sadly most are on patrol now, but I still do the same for Korean and ‘Nam vets and may someday work the courage to do the same for Iraq/Afghanny vets. I remember in the talking exercise we had after the film was over many of the spouses had no idea what their loved ones went through. What a film.
My grandfather carried a Thompson in WWII. I brought him over to watch saving private Ryan. It was the first and only time he ever told anyone what went on during his tour of duty. He had ptsd until the day he died 85. The worst of it was when he was laying cover fire a new guy in his platoon panicked and ran right into his line of fire. He said he still see the dudes face in his mind like it was yesterday. My two uncles and mother never had a clue. He was a bronze star recipient. He also told me he and his Sergeant caught the clap from some French girl. Gramps got busted to PFC from Corporal his Sergeant got busted to Corporal. RIP PFC Frank Papaleo
@@Whisper_292 I am just glad it was on the list. A lot of people look at it now as overrated and such, but they have to put themselves in the time it was released. Not a lot of vets were willing to share what they had experienced. I can’t really blame them. This and the work of many other’s, including the late Stephen Ambrose, allowed for many to come forward and we as a country are richer for them doing so.
As bad as WWII was, it is Vietnam my grandfather never talked about. He was in Europe Normandy and for a year into the occupation of Berlin. Left service got recalled for Korea and stayed in long enough for 'Nam. He would talk about how cold Korea was and it was somehow colder than Ardennes in winter during the Battle.of the Bulge.
What makes the scene from Valkyrie even better, is if you notice that Kenneth Branagh character is the last officer to put out his cigarette as the others quickly put they'res out. It really shows how the other officers have respects Hitler while Branagh character loathes Hitler.
Them putting theirs out quickly wasn't a sign of respect but rather of fear. Kenneth Brannagh's character does it slowly because he isn't afraid of him but he complies because on the flip side he is also very aware of Hitler's tendency for violence, such as having officers who displease him shot.
@@JosephDawson1986 Wasn't it common knowledge that Hitler did *not* actually follow through on his threats of shooting his officers? In that famous speech in Downfall, which has been memed to death, Hitler even shouts that he should have been more like Stalin and actually killed his officers instead of just threatening them.
And, just to follow-up, I immediately did a google search and found out about "Night of the Long Knives" where he purged Nazi leadership. Guess there's some truth to what you were saying JosephDawson1986
A bit of irony in a video about "accurate war movie details" and Agent Orange is described as a "pesticide" when it's more properly an "herbicide" or a "defoliant." "Pesticides" are generally used to describe chemical products designed to kill off animal pests (bugs, rodents, etc) while "herbicides" do the same for vegetation and a "defoliant" is one that specifically targets the leaves. (The primary use for Agent Orange was to cause trees to lose their leaves so that enemy targets could be more easily spotted from the air; it did, of course, also cause issues by killing off food crops.)
Additionally, Agent Orange is simply a mixture of two commonly used herbicides, one of which is still used today. It is a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D. Agent Orange was first used by the British Armed Forces in Malaya during the Malayan Emergency. In mid-1961, President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam asked the United States to help defoliate the lush jungle that was providing cover to his Communist enemies. In November 1961, President Kennedy authorized the start of Operation Ranch Hand, the codename for the United States Air Force's herbicide program in Vietnam. The herbicide operations were formally directed by the government of South Vietnam. About 65% of the 2,4,5-T procured by the US military was contaminated with dioxins, a byproduct of its production due to improper chemical processing. Unfortunately, the dioxin contamination was not detected until FAR, FAR too late. Some Agent Orange researchers suspect that the contamination may have come from an Ivon-Watkins-Dow plant in New Zealand. Nevertheless, finding the source of the contamination may be impossible as the product was manufactured by Dow Chemical Company, Monsanto (no Bayer), Hercules (defunct), Thomson Hayward Chemical (defunct), Diamond-Shamrock, Hoffman-Taft (defunct), and the United States Rubber Company (now Uniroyal)...and effective April 1967, the entire American domestic production of 2,4,5-T was confiscated by the military. A 1969 report authored by K. Diane Courtney and others found that 2,4,5-T could cause birth defects and stillbirths in mice. This and follow-up studies led the U.S. government to restrict the use of 2,4,5-T in the U.S. in April 1970. On April 15, 1970, it was announced that the use of Agent Orange was suspended. Defoliation and crop destruction were completely stopped by June 30, 1971.
My dad was a Marine company commander on the DMZ 67-68. The colonel sent him on patrol across the Cam Lo river into the DMZ and he said there wasn't a blade of grass. They were immediately spotted and mortared into retreating back across the river.
Well, it is same irony as "hurt lucker bomb defusing.. spectacular level of detail", while no EOD technician would not grab some wild wire and pull hard to uncover all bombs around him for spectacular aerial shots.
One of my friend's dad was a medical doctor in Vietnam. He made it until the failed ambush in Platoon and said he had to leave the theater because his blood pressure was racing so much. War is hell!
There have been plenty of movies that have disturbed me to some degree, I have never felt physically nauseous watching a movie before or since the opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan. A true masterpiece in showing and evoking the terror of ground combat.
When Saving Pvt Ryan came out in theaters, my unit in the USMC went to watch it. The D-Day beach landing was so horrifyingly accurate that I was white-knuckle clutching the arm rests, as our amphibious mission was to make such landings and pay such high prices. Semper Fi
@@Denzlercs My step-Dad said pretty much the same after the flick was over. "47th Inf. Reg." A few things he did say, when he regained his speech after the tears stopped. Bullets don't travel that far down into the water. NO Officers ,No prisoners after they got off the beach. Their blood was up. If anything the beach was not red enough and More cries of men crying out for their Mama.
Interestingly, I was turned off to the realism at one point when bullets shot into the ocean at an angle traveled three or four feet and still killed a soldier. Bullets lose their effectiveness surprisingly quickly in water (if not entirely deflected at shallow angles), especially rifle bullets.
DOW also was the main supplier for napalm. ;) Napalm sticks to kids. That's the message I think they were connecting to in that scene. Nice connect to Agent Orange though.
I still get choked up thinking about the two WWII vet aged men crying in the row in front of me as the Normandy Beach scene unfolded. I will never forget that.
When I was 18 I worked at a local steakhouse on the grill cooking steaks all night. My dad was the post adjutant for the local VFW and I kinda got volunteered by my dad to cook steak dinners for the guys during the summer. I had learned to respect my edlers a few years ago by my dad (that another story) Some of these guys who had been thru D-Day, Korea and Vietnam and experienced losses I could never imagined told me the stories they never told their their own spouses. I felt honored that these men thought I was adlt enough to understand...
When he yells out “ON WAY” nobody else watching with me knew but me what they were saying (im not a service member but ive been around to hear the talk enough) and it was satisfying to see the details like that which heightened the experiencefor me but not them unfortunately
Master and Commander is by far my favourite film ever made. From what I recall, larboard was changed due to it's similarities with starboard, as it could be misinterpreted during crucial moments, such as in a battle or in a storm, where commands could be muffled out by the noise.
Google TH-cam videos about the ship. (One might be 3d something something?) Gives you a crazily detailed of how sophisticated and slick the ship was built, laid out, and operated.
It's interesting to hear about the sweetheart grips. I first learned about these when a buddy from work asked me to make a set of walnut grips for a Heckler and Koch .32 that he inherited when his Dad passed. His Dad had carried the firearm while serving and had replaced the original grips with sweetheart grips. The woman in the grips was not his wife and she had no idea who it was.
Very nicely done piece. Dow was a major producer of napalm and I always took the barrel in Apocalypse Now to be a reference to that. Kilgore's uses it and the film ends with it. Dow DID make Agent Orange but everything in the film is lush and green, nothing defoliated.
I guess the real irony is that the top of the list is actually the bottom. Their top rated scene is from Fury, that has a lot of inaccuracies. That is what gets me. These small details only serve to highlight the glaring inaccurate ones.
The Dunkirk scenes in 'Atonement' were probably the better representation for what it likely was; the beaches were crowded as hell- with bodies, people huddling for shelter where they could- people were waiting & dying, & it was a chaos I had not expected to see -- after seeing that, 'Dunkirk' itself was a bit of a letdown in that regard, though there was a lot to admire about its' accuracy in other areas- as you said...
My two biggest critic's of "Dunkirk" is that there are much too few soldiers on the beaches and Tom Harry's pilot having an almost inexhaustible amount of ammo in his airplane. He would only have about 15 seconds worth.
Master and Commander was a great film at the time I saw it. But it really blew my mind after reading Patrick O’Brian’s novels of the same name (only got to novel three - the library didn’t have the rest of them)
You have to read them all. My favourite book series, I have probably read the entire thing through at least 10 times. Except the last one which was never completed as O'Brian died while writing it. The NY Times Review of books called the series "The finest historical fiction ever written" and I agree. Each time through I notice details I didn't notice before. I loved Crowe as Aubrey in M&C
Excellent point about the Smith & Wesson Model 1917 in Fury. During WWI, Colt was having trouble keeping up production of the M1911 .45 ACP semi-automatic pistol. As a stop gap measure, both Colt and Smith & Wesson rechambered their large framed .45 Long Colt revolvers to .45 ACP. Engineers at Smith & Wesson, invented a stamped steel 1/2 moon clip that held 3 rounds. Because.45 ACP is a rimless cartridge (made for semi-automatic pistols), a shooter could chamber six rounds in either the S&W or Colt revolver. When reloading, the shooter could eject all six spent shells and reload six more rounds. The 1/2 moon clips were engaged by the ejector star in the revolver for easy reloading. WWI ended so quickly after the US got large number of “boots on the ground” that the US ended up with large numbers of the S&W and Colt revolvers that were not issued. Between the wars, the US Post Office received large numbers of the revolvers. During WWII, new contracts for 1911 automatic pistols were started. The revolvers were issued to guards, factory security guards and other non-frontline personnel. However, large numbers of the revolvers appeared in combat in both the ETO and the Pacific. Some soldiers and Marines liked the simplicity of the revolvers over the automatic pistols.
I wrote my history thesis on Operation Valkyrie. That entire movie was doggedly faithful to historical fact. I’d like to know what he thinks the “wild liberties” with the truth were. No, it wasn’t 100% accurate, but it was closer than any other historical movies I’ve seen.
probably in that they had to make Tom Cruise and other charchters at least somewhat likeable which is surprisingly hard even though they wanted to kill Hitler. Didn't many of them want Aristocrats (which i believe he was one of with the von name) to take over and some were even monarchists I think.
@@removedot The Germans who wanted to kill Hitler was very likeable and they were the real heroes of WW2. Unfortunately Cruise played the real hero Stauffenberg and that is the only bad thing in this movie.
Except for the capstan on the Surprise, which is too large to be usable. The docent conducting the tour of the ship at the Maritime Museum said that it was the decision of the director, who didn't think a correctly-sized one would show up well on screen. (He also joked that you could tell whether a ship was originally British or American by looking at the capstan - British-built ships had square holes for the capstan poles, while America-built ships had round holes, to reduce the number of decisions American sailors had to make when putting them in.)
I knew a few marines, some ego served before 9/11, some after, but they both told me about the real reason they keep the Tabasco handy. When it's their watch and they are just too tired to stay up, putting a drop off the sauce on your finger and running the inside of your nostril or eyelid will wake you up real quick.
The M-1917 pistols (from both Colt and Smith and Wesson) were still in service and saw heavy use through the end of the war. Yes, the 1911 was standard and more common, but 1917s filled the gaps where supply of the Colt autos ran short. Many Soldiers still preferred wheel guns, so it is likely that War Daddy would have been issued the 1917 earlier in the war and kept it, or traded for it out of personal preference.
I'm glad I scrolled down before typing all that out :) he didn't get that in the mail- tankers and tons of other support lines got m1917 revolvers 1911s were expensive and that's why grease guns instead of Thompsons were issued too- cheaper and did roughly the same- if you need it- things are probably looking real bad
It has been suggested that given War Daddy's rank and maturity (and knowledge of German) that he was a Great War vet as well. This would also explain the Colt 1917.
Platoon is one of my favorite war movies. It also happens to include a friend and musician partner of my Father (who is a bassist) Corey Glover, also known as the lead singer of Living Color. I think I might be a little bias, I used to get to go to rehearsals for Living Color when I was a kid, it was awesome.
About the morphine warnings in "Hacksaw Ridge": when I was in the US Army, our gas masks came with atropine autoinjectors in case of nerve gas attack. After use, we were to push the needle thru our left breast pocket flap and fold them over so that a medic wouldn't OD us by accident.
Tnt rough riders should be in this list. 2 of 6 canon made for the war was in the movie and the site for filming was matched in topo to inches. The director and producer themselves were amazed by how stuff just fell together to make it right.
Master and Commander also shows how in the Navy you had to be competent coming up as a midshipman, you couldn't purchase you commission like in the Army.
Agent Orange got my dad nearly 50 years after he served in Vietnam in 2018. He was considered 100% disabled as he battled cancer that made it into his bones. He suffered through chemo and radiation just so he could be alive to see my daughter (youngest) be born. He made it four months after she was born. My older brother who is disabled (born 3 months early in 1978), me, and possibly my kids have to worry about health issues as we age.
I feel that Zulu should have been on this list too. Actual Zulu were cast as the Zulu warriors, many who were decendents from the warriors who fought in that battle.
I like how doc Row says something about not seeing any syrettes on moose heyliger. another nice tibit even though i never see them do that any other time in the series
While it's not strictly a war movie, 2005's Lord of War has a scene where Nic Cage's character muses about the AK47 while handling one. That, and the AKs he inspects before that scene are all real Russian surplus AKs. It was cheaper to buy them than create mockups of them. He also accurately tests the weapon when dry-firing it because, as he puts it, "Its so easy, a child could use one and they do."
We also used tobasco as a wake up trick. Fighting for days, you get tired, feel yourself drifting off, use the tobasco as an eye dropper and the pain wakes you back up again
Inglorious Bastards - "3" drinks, ordered with the pointer, middle, and ring fingers instead of how Germans count starting with their thumbs. I screamed "Oh $#17!" in the theatre when I saw it, and my friends were so confused. I'm glad they added the explanation.
In the movie Hurt Locker, it showed the EOD detachment providing their own security while the technician is working. In real life, another unit is providing security, typically the unit that found the device in the first place.
I think the Tabasco bottle in The Hurt Locker was the only accurate thing about the film. Blows my mind that they included that movie in an "Insanely Accurate" titled video.
Another thing Master & Commander gets right are the ages of the midshipmen. Most started at around 11 or 12 years old (sometimes younger than that). Many films of this era have actors that are far to old.
What the Czech conscripts are saying in that SPR scene is "don't shoot, I didn't kill anyone, I am not German, I am Czech, I didn't kill anyone -" The extras who were included in this scene are actual Czech stuntsmen. And yes, there were ethnic Czechs fighting in northern France on both sides - some forcibly conscripted by Wehrmacht, but the majority serving in 1st Czechoslovak Independent Armored Brigade Group which sieged Dunkirk in 1944.
There’s been a thread of this sort of video in my watch lists recently and I’m loving it.. nice job here.. I’ll throw out the most realistic and accurate to detail depiction of war on the screen as ‘Band of Brothers’ ❤
You should probably have checked out Gallipoli before making this video. That movie was far ahead of it's time in it's attention to historical detail, and is arguably the best war movie made to this day.
2001 “Behind Enemy Lines”….ejection sequence….not the hitting each other and not the flying off route that got them in shot down but the ejection sequence from when the Ejection command is given…..the explosive bolts, leg restraints cinching up….after that started going sideways …literally and figuratively. The rocket motors for the ejection seats are specifically designed so that one crew member goes left and one right to avoid hitting each other. Been almost 25 years so not sure exactly what direction, but I believe it was pilot up and to the left and back seater up and to the right. The handle, and slo motion framing to show more than just pulling the ejection handle was actually reasonably authentic. For the F/A-18 at least and probably most modern tactical aircraft, the headrest is the parachute. When it has to be packed knot the headrest it is first folded then sent over to the station flight equipment shop. That is also the long room you see in all the movies to spread out the parachutes out for inspection and repackaging. After folded usually spends a night or two in a hydraulic press to flatten it enough to fit in the head box.
For the scene in Saving Private Ryan, it's more of a poignant extra bit of cruel irony than necessarily insanely accurate. I do find it somewhat alarming to reduce it to "oh, because they spoke [not german], now it's sad and bad". Executing prisoners is a war crime, whether they're fighting for a brutal dictatorship or not. German conscripts didnt have much more choice than czech, most soldiers in 1944 hadnt ever had the opportunity to vote in an election for or against the nazi, revolting against a 10+ year established dictatorship is easier said than done, especially from our lofty perspective of 80+ years later in our mostly safe democracies. Oh, also bears mentioning: while the Wehrmacht itself committed heinous crimes, not all units and much less all individuals did. If you take a random soldier, odds are he didnt do more than regular soldiering, same as most allied soldiers. Factor in that the western defenses on the atlantic wall didnt have the most combat potent units at the time, those being in the east, odds are your soldier in a bunker in Normandy was some 30-40 year old family man conscripted at one point or another. Outside of historical evidence for this, Ive heard some first hand accounts of this when I worked for a paper in uni: french people of the time I talked to and that lived in norman "front" cities had some choice words for british planes bombing their city and some positive anecdotes with 40 year old german soldiers bringing them medicine stolen from their barracks. This isnt to say - AT ALL - that the occupation was seen positively. Also, these realities in no way justify or "balance" german army or other war crimes. Id say that almost a century after the events, maybe it's time we viewed the events with necessary nuance and learned the right lessons from them instead of glorifying violence as long as it's directed at a perceived inhuman enemy - that becomes human only if they're from a "victim" nation somehow. War is hell, condemn war mongers, ideologues and populists in all their forms - and learn how to recognise them. That last bit gets easier when bad guys from the past arent made cartoonish in our look back. PS: it's glaringly obvious that people today cant recognise a nazi when he stares them in the eye, as demonstrated by the rise of right wing populism in most if not all western countries. Popular media and conversation - even casual - that makes "the nazis" unrecognisable is a small but real part of the problem.
I believe Fury at least hints on why this wasn't always the same latter especially with SS troops who were known to execute prisoners and often got the same in return
@@removedot I was going to say the same, about the SS. Although the Wermacht obviously had Nazis in their ranks, most of the soldiers would be normal guys, mostly conscripts. At the end of the war, there was a place called Castle Itter. The place was being used to house highly regarded political prisoners. The SS tried to take the castle, but a force of Americans and Wermacht soldiers, plus the prisoners themselves held the castle until the Americans could send reinforcements.
My example is the Battle of Gaugamela in the movie Alexander. During the battle, you can see a short clip of the Greek mercenaries that Darius hired to fight against Alexander's phalanx. They gave the Macedonians the hardest problems during that battle. Also loved that the battle featured peltasts, who were a pretty important troop type during those times.
I had the privilege of conducting Pathfinder LZ operations on the same LZ that stood in for the battle during the movie We Were Soldiers. It's a small valley on Fort Hunter Liggett. Very cool to direct helos in and have squads disembark to take security. SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours
Stalingrad from 1993... Level of details about German Penal battalions (Strafbats) is great. As well as total lack of ideals and heroism. The characters of common soldiers of BOTH SIDES are displayed here as a mere conscripts without any ideology fighting war for reasons they dont know, with fear about their lifes... They call for ceasefire to get their wounded and then trade food with the enemy during this. They tried to stop beating of the POW. Later they are sent to penal squads to remove minefields and setting up impossible defences. All under command of corrupted officers... Amazing movie.
A bit from wiki on War Daddy's S&W 45 Auto Rim revolver (take wikipedia for what you will): "After being parkerized and refurbished, most of the revolvers were re-issued to stateside security forces and military policemen, but 20,993 of them were issued overseas to "specialty troops such as tankers and artillery personnel" throughout the course of U.S. involvement in World War II." So, Ayer's may have intentionally shown War Daddy with the revolver as one of those 20,993 tankers that were issued an M1917 rather than an M1911.
You just about covered the gamut of my favorite war movies. “Tora! Tora! Tora!” was another great one and my favorite war fiction, Sam Peckinpah’s “The Cross of Iron”, with James Coburn and Maximillian Schell I found to really have the ring of truth.
The mention of "Saving Private Ryan", brought back a memory. Not long after it came out, I was having a conversation with our neighbor who had just seen it. She said.. "I was a nurse during the Korean war, and the blood and guts in "Saving Private Ryan" was almost too much for me!"
What a pleasant way to spend my break. That being said, I have an issue. I'm glad you said "historically accurate" when describing Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. Because it's not very accurate to the source material. The movie is based on two or three of the Aubrey/Maturin series of novels, and one of those is not Master and Commander, which is the first in the series. My first issue is with the choice of ship. HMS Surprise is most definitely not the ship they were in during that engagement. Surprise was a 28 gun frigate. The object of their chase, if memory serves, was a Dutch 50 gunner, far the superior, and not just in weight of metal. Surprise was probably the fastest frigate afloat, and that was the only advantage they would have had. My other issue, and the far more egregious, was the stealing of Stephen's joke. During a dinner with the captain and officers, Jack makes a joke about choosing the lesser of two weevils. In the books, that was Stephen's joke, one that Jack repeated multiple times throughout the series, always giving due credit. I remember seeing the movie for the first time, enjoying it in spite of the obvious problems, and then coming upon that scene. It almost took me completely out of the movie. There was absolutely no reason for it, except possibly to massage a star's ego. Other than that, yeah, historically accurate and all that. Don't steal people's jokes. Edit: Looked it up. The Dutch ship was a 74 gun ship of the line, and Aubrey was in command of the Leopard, a 50 gun 4th rate . In the movie, the Dutch was a 44, still way outclassing Surprise.
Which films are accurate to the source material? For the rest of us M&C was a fantastic film that for once showed the Royal Navy in the days of sail, thats in colour and is accurate to the time period. We've had countless films about the yanks so for the only one we'll likely see in modern times that is about the Royal navy it can't do any wrong for me
Isn't a point that they make very clear in the movie though is the advantage they have due to the type of wood used and construction? I believe it used a mix of wood including some that has some "give" to it which actually makes it able to perform better when it comes to resisting damage. The strange part though is that it is said to have been made in the US out of US wood which probably wouldn't have been impossible but seems unlikely. As for "stealing jokes" from a fictional character seems an incredibly strange hang up.
@@removedot it's not unlikely; in fact it was very likely. But I don't know what point you were trying to make. As for the joke, that joke is a central part of the entire 20 book series. The whole point of that joke was that Stephen made it. And then as I mentioned, it is often repeated by Jack in order to illustrate Stephen's wit and Jack's esteem for him and his wit. Taking it from him is the same as taking the "do you feel lucky" speech from Harry Callahan and giving it to... well, anyone else. It's his thing, and that joke was Stephen's thing.
@@michaeltortorice9876 the point is that despite its smaller size and it is meant to be a very difficult to near impossible task; the boat did have some advantages other than speed and they make sure to explain that. Seems it is supposed to be kind of similar to something like the USS Constitution which was known as Old Ironsides due to its strength and resilience in part because of the use of Southern Live Oak which was known for its incredible strength and density. It was also designed to be expected to use it's speed to escape if it ran into an actual ship of the line. Though the Constitution itself was a 44 gun ship.
That's what I'm saying. All the MRE's taste like dog food smells, and we weren't supposed to put the Tabasco on everything? Instead , we used it in our eyes? I was an infantry support truck driver, missions every day, several times a day, and I never thought to Tabasco in my eyes. Believe I was tired af. 😫
@@deana1938 Yeah the eyes thing tho. Never heard of that. BUT you can bet your ass if I had any left over, it was going on those wack ass crackers (if it didn't come with peanut butter)
You're completely wrong about the long history of the US military with tabasco sauce. We didn't start using it in 1990, it was long before then: I was in from '79 to '83 and we were already using tabasco sauce with C rations (Vietnam/post Vietnam era field rations) for spaghetti and meatballs in particular, which were absolutely disgusting and almost inedible without something to destroy your taste buds. Long before it was issued with MREs, we would steal tabasco sauce from the chow hall to for use in the field. Having said that, I agree: It's an essential component of any military ration.
While I appreciate Peter Weir's captivating visuals in portraying life on the HMS Surprise, it's important to recognize that the historical accuracy throughout the film is primarily attributed to Patrick O'Brian. He is the author of the 'Aubrey/Maturin' novel series, consisting of 21 volumes, on which this film is based.
Yes! Thank you I was gonna say the same thing. I finally finished reading the series last week and reading archaic nautical terms like larboard is just par for the course
A lot of vets (my father and uncles included) always claimed that war movies were always going to be inaccurate bu11$hit because they would never be able to capture the smell of an actual combat zone or rear area. That being said, my opinion is that "1917" makes a pretty good attempt, especially when the two privates have to traverse water and corpse-filled shellholes in no-man's-land... pretty gritty, but also pretty true to memoirs of the vets who served (Sassoon, Graves, Blunden, et al).
For Fury, the M1917 revolver was a pretty commonly found revolver up until the Vietnam war, it started in WW1 because there were not enough 1911s. They were issued and were pretty common to be issued to tankers and artillery personnel, which makes it arguably an even more accurate detail that not everyone would have an M1911 and some would have M1917 revolvers.
For every detail done right in The Hurt Locker, there are 3 that are wrong. Which is odd, considering the same director was responsible for Zero Dark Thirty, which is renowned for its very accurate, though brief, military sequence.
God, I HATED THL. I was in roughly the same area and at the same time as the movie was set in and the scene with the sniper rifle ended my attempt to finish the bloody thing.
The Hurt Locker was hot garbage. Since my wife and I were both EOD techs, we watched it. She left after about 15 minutes. I thought it would stop being cowboy BS and start getting good at some point. Then it ended. It was horrible.
Wardaddy's revolver is an S&W Victory model, not a personally-owned sidearm. These were used both by the British in .38 S&W Long (.38/200 by their designation) and the US Navy and Marines in .38 SPL. His appears to be the .38 SPL model, given the longer cylinder flutes. This actually makes a lot of sense; such a revolver would have been fairly easy to acquire. And since they took standard S&W M&P grips, there was a well-known pattern to follow.
"Generation Kill". The whole series was accurate to what all of us in theater went through in '03, not just Recon.... but, I still laugh when they get to the "J.Lo's dead" bit. That little detail is so true-to-life.
During Saving Private Ryan when they come upon Germans in a pasture with dead cattle, this actually happened. During Operation Overlord, aka D-Day, they firebombed areas of France by accident where there were no enemies and killed livestock instead. Also Barry Pepper has a Garand's Thumb injury common among soldiers loading ammo in M1 Garands.
Isn't that odd? Because as I remember it, Pepper, who played PVT Jackson, carried a 1903 Springfield A-2 with a snipers' scope throughout the entire film. He killed A LOT of enemy soldiers with it too.
While not really a full blown war movie, 1992's Last of the Mohicans battle scenes are grisly realistic. Not so much in blood and gore, but in agonizingly painful deaths of men slowly dying on the battle field or on the trail.
Besides making me feel totally immersed in that time, looking out upon the vast expanses of green and mountain terrain, completely convinced by the super cast, all of them, not least by Wes Studi and Daniel Day Lewis as the arch antagonists, it is the most romantic story I have ever viewed. Even more than Casablanca, sure. Not to mention my all-time most memorable scene, involving the covering fire that Hawkeye gives to the courier from the fort. The buildup of tension, the music, the utter faith the courier has in Hawkeye's marksmanship and judgement, the curiously quiet letdown at the end.
i was gonna do a katrina care package thing when i was a kid but ended up sending stuff to the troops as part of my bar mitzvah project. it was awesome and i have met some of the vets i helped get items for to keep them close to home
In Top Gun 2 when they’re flying the old Tomcat, the most accurate part of the entire movie is when stuff doesn’t work because the circuit breaker is popped, and Maverick knows exactly which one and where it is. That is so accurate for Grumman aircraft if that era.
War Daddy having the 1917 Smith would have been much of an issue. Like you said, several people had weapons sent to them and his revolver is chamber for 45 acp same as the Colt 1911.
The author of “The Hurt Locker” claimed in an interview that she coined the term. I don’t know it’s origins, but I did hear Sly Stallone use it in the movie “Demolition Man” years earlier.
She didn't coin the term: we used it in Vietnam - it meant that someone was or would be in a world of pain if they did something, as in "you'll be in a hurt locker if you use that trail".
The US Revolver, Caliber .45 ACP (both the Colt and S&W models) were retained in depot storage after WWI. Some 180,000+ were on hand when the US declared war. Some 20,000 + were issued, with many going to armored units for issue to tankers. It is not inconceivable that "War Daddy" was issued his in 1941 or 1942. M1917s were also issued again in Korea and saw (very) limited issue in Vietnam.
Thank you for calling this out, other than that it was a really good video. I actually own a Colt M1917, I need to send Colt a letter to get its provenance still. But a damned fine weapon and accurate.
Fun fact: You can see a mini bottle of Tabasco sauce tucked in Bubbas helmet band, in the movie 'Forrest Gump'. (In the scene where it's raining, and they have their backs up against one another, when he asks Forrest if he'd like to go into the shrimping business with him..)
I’m a vet who went with other vets and we remained for the entire movie. I don’t know of any combat vet who goes to a Hollywood movie expecting a documentary.
Agreed, it's not so bad I'd have walked out but it's pretty bad. Im an oef and oif veteran, have lots and lots of experience with eod and ieds and hurt locker is accurate in some of its details but it's not at all realistic and things didn't happen like that
One little nitpick: Agent Orange wasn't a pesticide. It was a defoliant. Most of the time when it was sprayed it was mixed with diesel to make it stick to the leaves long enough to kill them. I lived on several firebases (Birmingham, Bastonge and Rakkasan) in I Corp. with the 1/83rd. Field Artillery and got sprayed with the stuff several times. DDT was the pesticide they handed out to us.
Wardaddy's Smith & Wesson 1917 revolver is not as unusual as you make it out to be. The Colt and Smith & Wesson 1917 revolvers were still issued during WW2. True, they were in a secondary role, but as part of a tank crew, he would have been able to request one should he prefer it over the 1911.
The 1917 was the standard issue in WW1 and since Brad Pitt was about 50 in that WW2 set film, I always went with the idea that his charactor had been in WW1 and had been his sidearm for the past 20 years or so which would also lead credence to the aged custom grips. Armchair charactor creationist right here!
My father was radio man on a u-boot and found watching "Das Boot" both fascinating and quite unsettling. He said most of the film was incredibly real yet he laugh when the submarine was loaded with provisions. He said his ships were never that bountiful.
One accurate detail in Fury was that they used a real German tank for once, Tiger 131. Not a mock-up, not a post-war Czech or Swiss one but the real thing. Though in reality 131 never got further than Africa.
@@solicitr666 Even if we forget the real history of 131,which would almost certainly never have returned to Europe even if it hadn't been knocked-out a combat vehicle surviving 3 years of combat would be quite extraordinary. You would have to invent a story where the tank developed a technical problem early in its career - 1942 - and got forgotten in the workshop because newer tanks were delivered to the unit. Until 1945 when they desperately needed anything that could drive and fire and the tank finally got fixed.
It's weird that they would add such a detail as War Daddy's pistol grip, while also completely re-naming his tank from "In The Mood (1, 2, or 3)" to "Fury".
I was Signal in the army. There is a part in We Were Soldiers, when Mel Gibson walks up to a group working on a long range radio, in the background you can see a guy stick his pinky in his mouth then swirl it on the inside of the connector of the hand set before plugging it in. I can tell you from experience that is the only way to get that thing to work, I've done it hundreds of times.
As a saying in the military goes, “you’ve got to lick it before you stick it” to lubricate the rubber o-ring in the connection that seals and waterproofs it.
We learned that in comms at basic 😂
My commo SGT would kill you for this. "Keep your ******* bodily fluids out of my god **** equipment!" He was one of those old crusty marines who joined the national guard later and it showed. He was right though, and his method of using chapstick on the connectors is actually way better than spit for many reasons. I can't tell you how many butts got chewed for swabbing a spitty pinky into the radio but he NEVER let it slide in the six years I knew him. One of his biggest pet peeves and rightfully so. Like he said "You wouldn't want me drooling all over your equipment would you?" I was almost convinced I'd catch him in the arms room one day spitting into all of our NODs and giving us pinkeye out of spite.
Signal was a German WW2 magazine!
@@paulwee1924dus OP is indicating he was in the US Army Signal Corp back in the day, and therefore knows something of how to make radios work.
Wardaddy's sweetheart grip is so much more meaningful if you watch the deleted scenes from the movie.
In these scenes Wardaddy tells the young recruit/main character about his young days, where he got too drunk at a party and got into a fight. Seeking to flee from the police, he rushes his little brother and his girlfriend into his car and drives off. Being drunk, he crashes the car and both his brother and girlfriend is killed. This got him imprisoned and his life since then was full of crime. He only got out of prison, because he agreed to sign up for the army. This context also explains his willingness to die at the end of the movie. He does not want to survive the war, as he has nothing to return to in the USA, other than a town that hates him and probably a life of crime and prison.
I hated that scene. As it's pointed out that Wardaddy's coat is old, his pistol and how he knew German before they went to war put in my mind he was a WW1 vet. I like that head cannon much better.
@@nwvfd22 I like it too, I'm going to keep it instead of watching the deleted scene, thanks.
My Dad was in the Royal Canadian Air Force during WWII, and when the shot up aircraft returned from their sorties over Germany, the broken plexiglas was discarded and new windows and windscreens were replaced.
My Dad would take pieces of the plexiglas and make small pieces of jewelry for my Mom, who was his sweetheart back home.
There were some examples of scrimshaw and some pieces were worked into jewel-like hearts and broaches, which he either sent back to his girlfriend (Mom) in the mail, or brought back after he was released from duty.
I don't say after the war ended, because he stayed on after the war, to help air supply food and medicine to the starving German people. This was before the famous Berlin air drop of food and coal to the Germans trapped in Berlin and isolated by the Soviet Union. He came home many months after the war ended, with his previous handmade jewels from WWII.
The scene from Saving Private Ryan where the two Czechs were killed was very common on the Atlantic Wall fortifications. While there were very good German units in the area, a large segment of the German troops actually holding the beaches were cobbled together units of relatively untrained troops. Young men, PoW's who volunteered just to get out of German POW camps and some really surprising examples. There was a soldier taken at Normandy who was Korean. He had been conscripted by the Japanese earlier in the war. During skirmishes between the Japanese and the Russian army, he was taken prisoner by the Russians. They scraped out thier POW camps to fill out penal units, units who were given rotten or semi suicidal attacks on the Germans. Doing this, he was taken prisoner by the Germans...who tossed him into a throw together unit at Normandy...where he was taken prisoner by the Allies after D-Day. The guy had a real WWII experience. His name was Yang Kyoungjong. He was turned over to the Americans and eventually settled in the United States.
Wow!
Hi, this is a nice story with a happy end. But amongst historians there is doubt wheter this is all true.
And then he gets drafted by the US for the Korean War ;)
This story has floated around for a while, but it’s never been definitively proven true. There were numerous Japanese soldiers who fought in the Wehrmacht however.
There is a movie about this i think its called Two Way and what is cool about the movie is each location they are in they speak the language of that place and it shows two rival Olympic runners 1 Japanese and the other Korean. The Korean get conscripted to fighting for Japan and he is then under the command of his running rival, then they both get captured together by the Russians go to gulags then are force in to penal squads in Stalingrad, then captured by the Germans and conscripted into the Wehrmacht just in time for the invasion at D-day to be captured by Americans. Cool watch
Yes, this list is heavily biased towards land war movies - Master and Commander being the sole exception. I'm surprised Das Boot hasn't gotten more attention for the detail in it, especially since they re-created an entire Type VII on a gimbal to make the movie.
Das boot is the best war movie ever made in my opinion.
@@joem3999 Das Boot*
The scene where one of the crew was washed overboard by a wave was an accident. The rest of the cast went through the man overboard drill so accurately, they left it in. They'd undergone training by veteran U-boat crew for months, and it really showed.
Das Boot for sure.
There is only two good WW2 movies ever made, Das Boot from 1981 and the Finnish Winter War from 1989. All the other war movies are crap. At least from the Allied side, only the Germans, Finnish and the Japanese can made good war movies.
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this explains the Band of Brothers scene where Doc Roe chews out Harry Welsh and Dick Winters for not putting morphine syrettes on the injured Moose. "I do not see one syrette on this man's jacket!" he yells.
That makes so much more sense now
"Three syrettes MAYBE? Were you TRYING to kill him?!"
Yep! Former Combat Medic here, and I will say this much; a Medic can chew someone’s ass regardless of rank on certain things like this, and not get into a BIT of trouble either. Medics have a LOT of power in a field unit.
@@bigdaddy7119 when your job is saving lives your authority is practically God in the field (to an extent obviously)
I liked, in the Hacksaw Ridge battle scenes, just how accurately they tried to get the actors falling down upon getting hit with head shots, how they would simply DROP to the ground, rather than putting on a big presentation, like so many of those silly scenes in war movies from yesteryear! This added an extra degree of realism to the scenes, which I thought was very well done.
Totally agree. Schindler’s List gets that detail scary accurate as well.
@@texasactual6025 Yes, it did indeed!
Mel Gibson had to add some unrealism to the movie, as he thought that nobody would believe that Doss could have performed his heroic acts whilst as badly wounded as he actually was, so he underplayed his wounds.
@@iank5018 I STILL cannot believe he managed to pick up, carry or drag, and then tie up, and lower 75+ wounded GIs (and some Japanese), all without getting hit by shrapnel, being blown up, or shot by snipers!
I cried alot over that film. Mans ability to destroy other human beings is overwhelming.
I can’t believe that Black Hawk Down wasn’t mentioned once here! One of THE most realistic scenes in it was where they were cutting up (impersonating the commander) with each other, and blasting the rock music while gearing up and getting ready to go out on the mission. That shit was spot on!
How about the hot brass down the shirt from the mini guns? I have had more than a few hot brass burns in my 20 years.
Agreed. As stylized as that movie is, the attention to detail in it was pretty remarkable. Even Delta being total ice cold rock stars was spot on. Lol
When we had to eat MREs in the field I'd be one of the few people to go for the tuna with noodles packet. But I'd eaten enough of them to know that not only did it come with the little bottle of Tabasco, it also had the coveted chocolate-nut cake. That's some good eatin'!
My favorite was the spaghetti one !
@@salvadormendozaz5192Which one?
tuna was great - with tabasco - at home my cat loved it and then almost immediately hated it and hated me for it but then kept going back for more dumb shit she was
Menu No. 11, Chicken and Rice.
I was in service during the transition from C-rats to MREs (early 1980s). Believe me, they were a welcome, major improvement. A Vietnam Huey pilot friend of mine shared an anecdote with me. In the evenings after returning from missions and his Huey was still cooling down, they'd pierce the C-rat cans with the opener and then put them in the exhaust cone of the bird to warm them up. A generation later, my guys and I would tear the MRE mains open slightly, then put them on the hot surface of a hydraulic power supply behind the shop.
That fact Platoon used the 25th ID patch was a favorite amongst us 25th ID soldiers. Our Lieutenant useda scene from the movie of what a war crime was, the scene when the "NVA soldier" runs from the village and Barnes pops him in the back with one shot. Instead of us cringing at the scene, they cheered, so much for War crime lesson number one.
John Kerry did that. Turns out a 16 yr old kid. Running away. And then made a movie of it for his drinking buddies....Till he tried to run for potus. War crime extraordinaire. Violates "Rules of Engagement" several times. Then claims a Purple Heart....Shot an unarmed civilian, shot in the back, shot a KID, made a film of it, And almost killed a Green Beret Capt. who fell off his boat as Kerry Fled the battle field. Then he deserted his crew and command to try and help family friends get elected in 1968. Does not have a DD-214. Just a letter of resigning his commission and a pardon from Jimmy Carter.
Yeah seems nothing have changed. Worse part is don't say it because they're gonna be insulted. Go read the My Lai massacre to understand what is the army position on that matter.
I was in DEP when Saving Private Ryan came out. One of the activities we had to do was go see the movie with a bunch of WWII vets and their spouses. About a half dozen of them were actually at Normandy. It was so bad the theater stopped the showing and turned the lights back on. These grown old men, grandpas most of them, were sobbing. The Top in charge of the outing started talking to most of the men and the film was decided to be resumed. My barely a boot a$$ remembers thinking what the f, it’s just a movie. Well after two tours in Iraq as a devil pup and many years later I began to shake the hand of any WWII vet I met. Sadly most are on patrol now, but I still do the same for Korean and ‘Nam vets and may someday work the courage to do the same for Iraq/Afghanny vets. I remember in the talking exercise we had after the film was over many of the spouses had no idea what their loved ones went through. What a film.
My grandfather carried a Thompson in WWII. I brought him over to watch saving private Ryan. It was the first and only time he ever told anyone what went on during his tour of duty. He had ptsd until the day he died 85. The worst of it was when he was laying cover fire a new guy in his platoon panicked and ran right into his line of fire. He said he still see the dudes face in his mind like it was yesterday. My two uncles and mother never had a clue. He was a bronze star recipient. He also told me he and his Sergeant caught the clap from some French girl. Gramps got busted to PFC from Corporal his Sergeant got busted to Corporal. RIP PFC Frank Papaleo
@@OakLawnSpeedShop thank you for sharing. Quite the experiences he had. Those men showed their true caliber when they answered their country’s call.
@@Whisper_292 I am just glad it was on the list. A lot of people look at it now as overrated and such, but they have to put themselves in the time it was released. Not a lot of vets were willing to share what they had experienced. I can’t really blame them. This and the work of many other’s, including the late Stephen Ambrose, allowed for many to come forward and we as a country are richer for them doing so.
@@NorthernWisconsinandStuff Thank you Sir.
As bad as WWII was, it is Vietnam my grandfather never talked about. He was in Europe Normandy and for a year into the occupation of Berlin. Left service got recalled for Korea and stayed in long enough for 'Nam. He would talk about how cold Korea was and it was somehow colder than Ardennes in winter during the Battle.of the Bulge.
What makes the scene from Valkyrie even better, is if you notice that Kenneth Branagh character is the last officer to put out his cigarette as the others quickly put they'res out. It really shows how the other officers have respects Hitler while Branagh character loathes Hitler.
... put theirs* out (they're = they are)
Them putting theirs out quickly wasn't a sign of respect but rather of fear. Kenneth Brannagh's character does it slowly because he isn't afraid of him but he complies because on the flip side he is also very aware of Hitler's tendency for violence, such as having officers who displease him shot.
@@JosephDawson1986 Wasn't it common knowledge that Hitler did *not* actually follow through on his threats of shooting his officers? In that famous speech in Downfall, which has been memed to death, Hitler even shouts that he should have been more like Stalin and actually killed his officers instead of just threatening them.
And, just to follow-up, I immediately did a google search and found out about "Night of the Long Knives" where he purged Nazi leadership. Guess there's some truth to what you were saying JosephDawson1986
@@JosephDawson1986 It shows what a bad ass Kenneth Brannagh really is.
A bit of irony in a video about "accurate war movie details" and Agent Orange is described as a "pesticide" when it's more properly an "herbicide" or a "defoliant." "Pesticides" are generally used to describe chemical products designed to kill off animal pests (bugs, rodents, etc) while "herbicides" do the same for vegetation and a "defoliant" is one that specifically targets the leaves. (The primary use for Agent Orange was to cause trees to lose their leaves so that enemy targets could be more easily spotted from the air; it did, of course, also cause issues by killing off food crops.)
No. Pesticide covers all; including herbicide,insecticide,nematicide, molluscicide, piscicide, avicide, rodenticide, bactericide, insect repellent, animal repellent, microbicide, fungicide, and lampricide.
Weeds are a pest.
Additionally, Agent Orange is simply a mixture of two commonly used herbicides, one of which is still used today. It is a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D. Agent Orange was first used by the British Armed Forces in Malaya during the Malayan Emergency.
In mid-1961, President Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam asked the United States to help defoliate the lush jungle that was providing cover to his Communist enemies. In November 1961, President Kennedy authorized the start of Operation Ranch Hand, the codename for the United States Air Force's herbicide program in Vietnam. The herbicide operations were formally directed by the government of South Vietnam. About 65% of the 2,4,5-T procured by the US military was contaminated with dioxins, a byproduct of its production due to improper chemical processing. Unfortunately, the dioxin contamination was not detected until FAR, FAR too late.
Some Agent Orange researchers suspect that the contamination may have come from an Ivon-Watkins-Dow plant in New Zealand. Nevertheless, finding the source of the contamination may be impossible as the product was manufactured by Dow Chemical Company, Monsanto (no Bayer), Hercules (defunct), Thomson Hayward Chemical (defunct), Diamond-Shamrock, Hoffman-Taft (defunct), and the United States Rubber Company (now Uniroyal)...and effective April 1967, the entire American domestic production of 2,4,5-T was confiscated by the military.
A 1969 report authored by K. Diane Courtney and others found that 2,4,5-T could cause birth defects and stillbirths in mice. This and follow-up studies led the U.S. government to restrict the use of 2,4,5-T in the U.S. in April 1970. On April 15, 1970, it was announced that the use of Agent Orange was suspended. Defoliation and crop destruction were completely stopped by June 30, 1971.
My dad was a Marine company commander on the DMZ 67-68. The colonel sent him on patrol across the Cam Lo river into the DMZ and he said there wasn't a blade of grass. They were immediately spotted and mortared into retreating back across the river.
Beat me to it I and probably a ton of other folks caught it🧸
Well, it is same irony as "hurt lucker bomb defusing.. spectacular level of detail", while no EOD technician would not grab some wild wire and pull hard to uncover all bombs around him for spectacular aerial shots.
One of my friend's dad was a medical doctor in Vietnam. He made it until the failed ambush in Platoon and said he had to leave the theater because his blood pressure was racing so much. War is hell!
There have been plenty of movies that have disturbed me to some degree, I have never felt physically nauseous watching a movie before or since the opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan. A true masterpiece in showing and evoking the terror of ground combat.
When Saving Pvt Ryan came out in theaters, my unit in the USMC went to watch it. The D-Day beach landing was so horrifyingly accurate that I was white-knuckle clutching the arm rests, as our amphibious mission was to make such landings and pay such high prices.
Semper Fi
Have you seen the new "All quiet on the western front" yet? To me, its just as disturbing.
@@Denzlercs My step-Dad said pretty much the same after the flick was over. "47th Inf. Reg." A few things he did say, when he regained his speech after the tears stopped.
Bullets don't travel that far down into the water.
NO Officers ,No prisoners after they got off the beach. Their blood was up. If anything the beach was not red enough and More cries of men crying out for their Mama.
Interestingly, I was turned off to the realism at one point when bullets shot into the ocean at an angle traveled three or four feet and still killed a soldier. Bullets lose their effectiveness surprisingly quickly in water (if not entirely deflected at shallow angles), especially rifle bullets.
@@jsmariani4180 yes this is true
DOW also was the main supplier for napalm. ;) Napalm sticks to kids. That's the message I think they were connecting to in that scene. Nice connect to Agent Orange though.
I still get choked up thinking about the two WWII vet aged men crying in the row in front of me as the Normandy Beach scene unfolded. I will never forget that.
When I was 18 I worked at a local steakhouse on the grill cooking steaks all night. My dad was the post adjutant for the local VFW and I kinda got volunteered by my dad to cook steak dinners for the guys during the summer. I had learned to respect my edlers a few years ago by my dad (that another story)
Some of these guys who had been thru D-Day, Korea and Vietnam and experienced losses I could never imagined told me the stories they never told their their own spouses.
I felt honored that these men thought I was adlt enough to understand...
Good
Fury as a former tanker in Army the fire commands in that movie were spot on as well
That stood out to me as well.
Yes, the chatter on the radio in the tank is spot on.
When he yells out “ON WAY” nobody else watching with me knew but me what they were saying (im not a service member but ive been around to hear the talk enough) and it was satisfying to see the details like that which heightened the experiencefor me but not them unfortunately
Master and Commander is by far my favourite film ever made. From what I recall, larboard was changed due to it's similarities with starboard, as it could be misinterpreted during crucial moments, such as in a battle or in a storm, where commands could be muffled out by the noise.
Google TH-cam videos about the ship. (One might be 3d something something?) Gives you a crazily detailed of how sophisticated and slick the ship was built, laid out, and operated.
The M1917 revolver was still issued during WW2. Would make sense to give them to tank units and other non-infantry troops.
It's interesting to hear about the sweetheart grips. I first learned about these when a buddy from work asked me to make a set of walnut grips for a Heckler and Koch .32 that he inherited when his Dad passed. His Dad had carried the firearm while serving and had replaced the original grips with sweetheart grips. The woman in the grips was not his wife and she had no idea who it was.
Very nicely done piece.
Dow was a major producer of napalm and I always took the barrel in Apocalypse Now to be a reference to that. Kilgore's uses it and the film ends with it. Dow DID make Agent Orange but everything in the film is lush and green, nothing defoliated.
The irony of starting a list of accurate war movies with the hurt locker is absolutely hilarious. Well done
I should have scrolled down a little before I made the exact same comment. Well done.
I guess the real irony is that the top of the list is actually the bottom. Their top rated scene is from Fury, that has a lot of inaccuracies. That is what gets me. These small details only serve to highlight the glaring inaccurate ones.
The Dunkirk scenes in 'Atonement' were probably the better representation for what it likely was; the beaches were crowded as hell- with bodies, people huddling for shelter where they could- people were waiting & dying, & it was a chaos I had not expected to see -- after seeing that, 'Dunkirk' itself was a bit of a letdown in that regard, though there was a lot to admire about its' accuracy in other areas- as you said...
My two biggest critic's of "Dunkirk" is that there are much too few soldiers on the beaches and Tom Harry's pilot having an almost inexhaustible amount of ammo in his airplane. He would only have about 15 seconds worth.
Criticism and Hardy. Bloody spellcheck.
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Happens to the best of us, my guy- no worries! 😃
Master and Commander was a great film at the time I saw it. But it really blew my mind after reading Patrick O’Brian’s novels of the same name (only got to novel three - the library didn’t have the rest of them)
You have to read them all. My favourite book series, I have probably read the entire thing through at least 10 times. Except the last one which was never completed as O'Brian died while writing it. The NY Times Review of books called the series "The finest historical fiction ever written" and I agree. Each time through I notice details I didn't notice before. I loved Crowe as Aubrey in M&C
Excellent point about the Smith & Wesson Model 1917 in Fury.
During WWI, Colt was having trouble keeping up production of the M1911 .45 ACP semi-automatic pistol. As a stop gap measure, both Colt and Smith & Wesson rechambered their large framed .45 Long Colt revolvers to .45 ACP. Engineers at Smith & Wesson, invented a stamped steel 1/2 moon clip that held 3 rounds. Because.45 ACP is a rimless cartridge (made for semi-automatic pistols), a shooter could chamber six rounds in either the S&W or Colt revolver. When reloading, the shooter could eject all six spent shells and reload six more rounds. The 1/2 moon clips were engaged by the ejector star in the revolver for easy reloading.
WWI ended so quickly after the US got large number of “boots on the ground” that the US ended up with large numbers of the S&W and Colt revolvers that were not issued. Between the wars, the US Post Office received large numbers of the revolvers. During WWII, new contracts for 1911 automatic pistols were started. The revolvers were issued to guards, factory security guards and other non-frontline personnel.
However, large numbers of the revolvers appeared in combat in both the ETO and the Pacific. Some soldiers and Marines liked the simplicity of the revolvers over the automatic pistols.
I wrote my history thesis on Operation Valkyrie. That entire movie was doggedly faithful to historical fact. I’d like to know what he thinks the “wild liberties” with the truth were. No, it wasn’t 100% accurate, but it was closer than any other historical movies I’ve seen.
probably in that they had to make Tom Cruise and other charchters at least somewhat likeable which is surprisingly hard even though they wanted to kill Hitler. Didn't many of them want Aristocrats (which i believe he was one of with the von name) to take over and some were even monarchists I think.
@@removedot The Germans who wanted to kill Hitler was very likeable and they were the real heroes of WW2. Unfortunately Cruise played the real hero Stauffenberg and that is the only bad thing in this movie.
Master and Commader is the most accurate war movie ever made ,and a pleasure to watch.
Amazing film😮
Ive watched it 50 times on my vcr
The novels are even more detailed and amazingly accurate.
Except for the capstan on the Surprise, which is too large to be usable. The docent conducting the tour of the ship at the Maritime Museum said that it was the decision of the director, who didn't think a correctly-sized one would show up well on screen. (He also joked that you could tell whether a ship was originally British or American by looking at the capstan - British-built ships had square holes for the capstan poles, while America-built ships had round holes, to reduce the number of decisions American sailors had to make when putting them in.)
I knew a few marines, some ego served before 9/11, some after, but they both told me about the real reason they keep the Tabasco handy. When it's their watch and they are just too tired to stay up, putting a drop off the sauce on your finger and running the inside of your nostril or eyelid will wake you up real quick.
The M-1917 pistols (from both Colt and Smith and Wesson) were still in service and saw heavy use through the end of the war. Yes, the 1911 was standard and more common, but 1917s filled the gaps where supply of the Colt autos ran short. Many Soldiers still preferred wheel guns, so it is likely that War Daddy would have been issued the 1917 earlier in the war and kept it, or traded for it out of personal preference.
I'm glad I scrolled down before typing all that out :) he didn't get that in the mail- tankers and tons of other support lines got m1917 revolvers 1911s were expensive and that's why grease guns instead of Thompsons were issued too- cheaper and did roughly the same- if you need it- things are probably looking real bad
You could also have one mailed to you
It has been suggested that given War Daddy's rank and maturity (and knowledge of German) that he was a Great War vet as well. This would also explain the Colt 1917.
The USMC was still using M1917s in Korea. So, they were definitely still around in WWII.
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Platoon is one of my favorite war movies. It also happens to include a friend and musician partner of my Father (who is a bassist) Corey Glover, also known as the lead singer of Living Color. I think I might be a little bias, I used to get to go to rehearsals for Living Color when I was a kid, it was awesome.
He played Francis. It blew my mind when I realized (many years later) that he was the lead singer of Living Color.
About the morphine warnings in "Hacksaw Ridge": when I was in the US Army, our gas masks came with atropine autoinjectors in case of nerve gas attack. After use, we were to push the needle thru our left breast pocket flap and fold them over so that a medic wouldn't OD us by accident.
Tnt rough riders should be in this list. 2 of 6 canon made for the war was in the movie and the site for filming was matched in topo to inches. The director and producer themselves were amazed by how stuff just fell together to make it right.
That movie is a gem. Too bad it doesn't have the popularity it deserves.
Master and Commander also shows how in the Navy you had to be competent coming up as a midshipman, you couldn't purchase you commission like in the Army.
RIP Mr Hollum.
Yep and officers really did serve as young as 13.
@@borismuller86 Lt Townsend.
@@MrErizid Who at 30 still hadn't been commissioned
I wonder if anybody noticed in the hurt locker that Eldridge’s name tag holding his Tabasco is correct but on the helmet it says Eldrich.
Agent Orange got my dad nearly 50 years after he served in Vietnam in 2018. He was considered 100% disabled as he battled cancer that made it into his bones. He suffered through chemo and radiation just so he could be alive to see my daughter (youngest) be born. He made it four months after she was born. My older brother who is disabled (born 3 months early in 1978), me, and possibly my kids have to worry about health issues as we age.
I feel that Zulu should have been on this list too. Actual Zulu were cast as the Zulu warriors, many who were decendents from the warriors who fought in that battle.
So? A decendant is no more realistic than any other actor that wasn't in the original battle
@@robirvine6970 They weren't actors, they were Zulu tribesmen.
people talk about how the Maui war dances are scary...the scenes in Zulu of all the warriors crashing their shields must have been terrifying IRL
The Hurt Locker is hardly the paragon of accuracy; it gets way too many details wrong to be included in this list.
I think this is a list about the specific detail, not the whole movie. Tabasco !
Also 9 movies with insane details doesn't have the same snap as 10 movies lol
Was coming down here to the say the same thing. If anything its notorious in the military for having no basis in reality.
Well, the list isn't "10 War Movies With Impeccable Detail Accuracy"
The Tabasco in the body armor is accurate. The rest of the movie, contrary to the praise it got in this video, is not.
I like how doc Row says something about not seeing any syrettes on moose heyliger. another nice tibit even though i never see them do that any other time in the series
You can see Doc attach syrettes to the wounded other times, it's just more subtle, and when Welsh is hit he writes an M on his forehead in blood.
While it's not strictly a war movie, 2005's Lord of War has a scene where Nic Cage's character muses about the AK47 while handling one. That, and the AKs he inspects before that scene are all real Russian surplus AKs. It was cheaper to buy them than create mockups of them. He also accurately tests the weapon when dry-firing it because, as he puts it, "Its so easy, a child could use one and they do."
We also used tobasco as a wake up trick. Fighting for days, you get tired, feel yourself drifting off, use the tobasco as an eye dropper and the pain wakes you back up again
Inglorious Bastards - "3" drinks, ordered with the pointer, middle, and ring fingers instead of how Germans count starting with their thumbs.
I screamed "Oh $#17!" in the theatre when I saw it, and my friends were so confused. I'm glad they added the explanation.
In the movie Hurt Locker, it showed the EOD detachment providing their own security while the technician is working. In real life, another unit is providing security, typically the unit that found the device in the first place.
I think the Tabasco bottle in The Hurt Locker was the only accurate thing about the film. Blows my mind that they included that movie in an "Insanely Accurate" titled video.
@@smorris410 have to love the EOD guy wielding the 50cal better than the special forces dudes
@@danielscrimgeour8812 well the Barrett was intended more for destruction of equipment than as like a "sniper rifle"
Another thing Master & Commander gets right are the ages of the midshipmen. Most started at around 11 or 12 years old (sometimes younger than that). Many films of this era have actors that are far to old.
What the Czech conscripts are saying in that SPR scene is "don't shoot, I didn't kill anyone, I am not German, I am Czech, I didn't kill anyone -" The extras who were included in this scene are actual Czech stuntsmen. And yes, there were ethnic Czechs fighting in northern France on both sides - some forcibly conscripted by Wehrmacht, but the majority serving in 1st Czechoslovak Independent Armored Brigade Group which sieged Dunkirk in 1944.
There’s been a thread of this sort of video in my watch lists recently and I’m loving it.. nice job here.. I’ll throw out the most realistic and accurate to detail depiction of war on the screen as ‘Band of Brothers’ ❤
You should probably have checked out Gallipoli before making this video. That movie was far ahead of it's time in it's attention to historical detail, and is arguably the best war movie made to this day.
Hey, wait! In that Platoon clip, was that guy the head doctor from Scrubs‽
Yes. Yes it was. John c McGinley I think
2001 “Behind Enemy Lines”….ejection sequence….not the hitting each other and not the flying off route that got them in shot down but the ejection sequence from when the Ejection command is given…..the explosive bolts, leg restraints cinching up….after that started going sideways …literally and figuratively. The rocket motors for the ejection seats are specifically designed so that one crew member goes left and one right to avoid hitting each other. Been almost 25 years so not sure exactly what direction, but I believe it was pilot up and to the left and back seater up and to the right. The handle, and slo motion framing to show more than just pulling the ejection handle was actually reasonably authentic. For the F/A-18 at least and probably most modern tactical aircraft, the headrest is the parachute. When it has to be packed knot the headrest it is first folded then sent over to the station flight equipment shop. That is also the long room you see in all the movies to spread out the parachutes out for inspection and repackaging. After folded usually spends a night or two in a hydraulic press to flatten it enough to fit in the head box.
That’s good to know. Shame they messed up all the Landmine scenes…
For the scene in Saving Private Ryan, it's more of a poignant extra bit of cruel irony than necessarily insanely accurate. I do find it somewhat alarming to reduce it to "oh, because they spoke [not german], now it's sad and bad". Executing prisoners is a war crime, whether they're fighting for a brutal dictatorship or not. German conscripts didnt have much more choice than czech, most soldiers in 1944 hadnt ever had the opportunity to vote in an election for or against the nazi, revolting against a 10+ year established dictatorship is easier said than done, especially from our lofty perspective of 80+ years later in our mostly safe democracies.
Oh, also bears mentioning: while the Wehrmacht itself committed heinous crimes, not all units and much less all individuals did. If you take a random soldier, odds are he didnt do more than regular soldiering, same as most allied soldiers. Factor in that the western defenses on the atlantic wall didnt have the most combat potent units at the time, those being in the east, odds are your soldier in a bunker in Normandy was some 30-40 year old family man conscripted at one point or another. Outside of historical evidence for this, Ive heard some first hand accounts of this when I worked for a paper in uni: french people of the time I talked to and that lived in norman "front" cities had some choice words for british planes bombing their city and some positive anecdotes with 40 year old german soldiers bringing them medicine stolen from their barracks.
This isnt to say - AT ALL - that the occupation was seen positively. Also, these realities in no way justify or "balance" german army or other war crimes. Id say that almost a century after the events, maybe it's time we viewed the events with necessary nuance and learned the right lessons from them instead of glorifying violence as long as it's directed at a perceived inhuman enemy - that becomes human only if they're from a "victim" nation somehow. War is hell, condemn war mongers, ideologues and populists in all their forms - and learn how to recognise them. That last bit gets easier when bad guys from the past arent made cartoonish in our look back.
PS: it's glaringly obvious that people today cant recognise a nazi when he stares them in the eye, as demonstrated by the rise of right wing populism in most if not all western countries. Popular media and conversation - even casual - that makes "the nazis" unrecognisable is a small but real part of the problem.
Yeah, what he said goes for me, too! Sword of Isildur, well written.
I believe Fury at least hints on why this wasn't always the same latter especially with SS troops who were known to execute prisoners and often got the same in return
@@removedot I was going to say the same, about the SS. Although the Wermacht obviously had Nazis in their ranks, most of the soldiers would be normal guys, mostly conscripts. At the end of the war, there was a place called Castle Itter. The place was being used to house highly regarded political prisoners. The SS tried to take the castle, but a force of Americans and Wermacht soldiers, plus the prisoners themselves held the castle until the Americans could send reinforcements.
if you find a war movie that is accurate in detail of uniform and weapons, you can almost bet that dale dye was part of that movie.
My example is the Battle of Gaugamela in the movie Alexander. During the battle, you can see a short clip of the Greek mercenaries that Darius hired to fight against Alexander's phalanx. They gave the Macedonians the hardest problems during that battle. Also loved that the battle featured peltasts, who were a pretty important troop type during those times.
I had the privilege of conducting Pathfinder LZ operations on the same LZ that stood in for the battle during the movie We Were Soldiers. It's a small valley on Fort Hunter Liggett. Very cool to direct helos in and have squads disembark to take security.
SSG. U.S. Army (Medically Retired) Infantry / Sniper / SOF Intel (SOT-A), multiple tours
"You'll be court marshaled for that!
"Naw, just chewed out. I've been chewed out before.
US tankers were often issued revolvers as were many secondary troops depending on the availability of 1911s.
Stalingrad from 1993... Level of details about German Penal battalions (Strafbats) is great. As well as total lack of ideals and heroism. The characters of common soldiers of BOTH SIDES are displayed here as a mere conscripts without any ideology fighting war for reasons they dont know, with fear about their lifes...
They call for ceasefire to get their wounded and then trade food with the enemy during this. They tried to stop beating of the POW. Later they are sent to penal squads to remove minefields and setting up impossible defences. All under command of corrupted officers... Amazing movie.
A bit from wiki on War Daddy's S&W 45 Auto Rim revolver (take wikipedia for what you will): "After being parkerized and refurbished, most of the revolvers were re-issued to stateside security forces and military policemen, but 20,993 of them were issued overseas to "specialty troops such as tankers and artillery personnel" throughout the course of U.S. involvement in World War II." So, Ayer's may have intentionally shown War Daddy with the revolver as one of those 20,993 tankers that were issued an M1917 rather than an M1911.
Tom Cruz is a 6’-4” blonde. Very accurate
weird that when i watch actual EOD guys critique the Hurt Locker they talk of how highly inaccurate it is
The hurt locker is the most innacurate military movies ever filmed. No soldier would ever carry tobasco like that.
You just about covered the gamut of my favorite war movies. “Tora! Tora! Tora!” was another great one and my favorite war fiction, Sam Peckinpah’s “The Cross of Iron”, with James Coburn and Maximillian Schell I found to really have the ring of truth.
I forgot to mention “Das Boot”. Realistic to the core. Read the book twice.
Tabasco sauce has been included in US Military rations since at least 1986 when I joined up.
The mention of "Saving Private Ryan", brought back a memory. Not long after it came out, I was having a conversation with our neighbor who had just seen it. She said.. "I was a nurse during the Korean war, and the blood and guts in "Saving Private Ryan" was almost too much for me!"
What a pleasant way to spend my break. That being said, I have an issue.
I'm glad you said "historically accurate" when describing Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. Because it's not very accurate to the source material. The movie is based on two or three of the Aubrey/Maturin series of novels, and one of those is not Master and Commander, which is the first in the series. My first issue is with the choice of ship. HMS Surprise is most definitely not the ship they were in during that engagement. Surprise was a 28 gun frigate. The object of their chase, if memory serves, was a Dutch 50 gunner, far the superior, and not just in weight of metal. Surprise was probably the fastest frigate afloat, and that was the only advantage they would have had.
My other issue, and the far more egregious, was the stealing of Stephen's joke. During a dinner with the captain and officers, Jack makes a joke about choosing the lesser of two weevils. In the books, that was Stephen's joke, one that Jack repeated multiple times throughout the series, always giving due credit. I remember seeing the movie for the first time, enjoying it in spite of the obvious problems, and then coming upon that scene. It almost took me completely out of the movie. There was absolutely no reason for it, except possibly to massage a star's ego.
Other than that, yeah, historically accurate and all that.
Don't steal people's jokes.
Edit: Looked it up. The Dutch ship was a 74 gun ship of the line, and Aubrey was in command of the Leopard, a 50 gun 4th rate . In the movie, the Dutch was a 44, still way outclassing Surprise.
Which films are accurate to the source material? For the rest of us M&C was a fantastic film that for once showed the Royal Navy in the days of sail, thats in colour and is accurate to the time period. We've had countless films about the yanks so for the only one we'll likely see in modern times that is about the Royal navy it can't do any wrong for me
Isn't a point that they make very clear in the movie though is the advantage they have due to the type of wood used and construction? I believe it used a mix of wood including some that has some "give" to it which actually makes it able to perform better when it comes to resisting damage. The strange part though is that it is said to have been made in the US out of US wood which probably wouldn't have been impossible but seems unlikely.
As for "stealing jokes" from a fictional character seems an incredibly strange hang up.
@@removedot it's not unlikely; in fact it was very likely. But I don't know what point you were trying to make.
As for the joke, that joke is a central part of the entire 20 book series. The whole point of that joke was that Stephen made it. And then as I mentioned, it is often repeated by Jack in order to illustrate Stephen's wit and Jack's esteem for him and his wit. Taking it from him is the same as taking the "do you feel lucky" speech from Harry Callahan and giving it to... well, anyone else. It's his thing, and that joke was Stephen's thing.
@@michaeltortorice9876 the point is that despite its smaller size and it is meant to be a very difficult to near impossible task; the boat did have some advantages other than speed and they make sure to explain that. Seems it is supposed to be kind of similar to something like the USS Constitution which was known as Old Ironsides due to its strength and resilience in part because of the use of Southern Live Oak which was known for its incredible strength and density. It was also designed to be expected to use it's speed to escape if it ran into an actual ship of the line. Though the Constitution itself was a 44 gun ship.
Tabasco Sauce- Not just for MREs. That little bottle was in my Vietnam era C-Rations. Not in every box, but often enough to have some on hand.
Hurt locker was the fakest movie ever if you were enlisted lol. Tabasco sauce tho... Made everything better
That's what I'm saying. All the MRE's taste like dog food smells, and we weren't supposed to put the Tabasco on everything? Instead , we used it in our eyes? I was an infantry support truck driver, missions every day, several times a day, and I never thought to Tabasco in my eyes. Believe I was tired af. 😫
@@deana1938 Yeah the eyes thing tho. Never heard of that. BUT you can bet your ass if I had any left over, it was going on those wack ass crackers (if it didn't come with peanut butter)
I bet "Letters from Iwo Jima" has lots of good examples, but I'm not enough of a wonk to list them out.
Talks about Hurt Locker's attention to detail...Immediately shows Anthony Mackie's finger on the trigger.
You're completely wrong about the long history of the US military with tabasco sauce. We didn't start using it in 1990, it was long before then: I was in from '79 to '83 and we were already using tabasco sauce with C rations (Vietnam/post Vietnam era field rations) for spaghetti and meatballs in particular, which were absolutely disgusting and almost inedible without something to destroy your taste buds. Long before it was issued with MREs, we would steal tabasco sauce from the chow hall to for use in the field. Having said that, I agree: It's an essential component of any military ration.
While I appreciate Peter Weir's captivating visuals in portraying life on the HMS Surprise, it's important to recognize that the historical accuracy throughout the film is primarily attributed to Patrick O'Brian. He is the author of the 'Aubrey/Maturin' novel series, consisting of 21 volumes, on which this film is based.
Yes! Thank you I was gonna say the same thing. I finally finished reading the series last week and reading archaic nautical terms like larboard is just par for the course
So many directors take liberty with the source material, weir cares enough to be true.
Quite so- but still credit Weir for keeping it, and not scrubbing it away like so many directors do.
I'm pretty sure that was a barrel of napalm, not Agent Orange. Agent Orange literally came in orange barrels. That's where the name comes from.
A lot of vets (my father and uncles included) always claimed that war movies were always going to be inaccurate bu11$hit because they would never be able to capture the smell of an actual combat zone or rear area. That being said, my opinion is that "1917" makes a pretty good attempt, especially when the two privates have to traverse water and corpse-filled shellholes in no-man's-land... pretty gritty, but also pretty true to memoirs of the vets who served (Sassoon, Graves, Blunden, et al).
For Fury, the M1917 revolver was a pretty commonly found revolver up until the Vietnam war, it started in WW1 because there were not enough 1911s. They were issued and were pretty common to be issued to tankers and artillery personnel, which makes it arguably an even more accurate detail that not everyone would have an M1911 and some would have M1917 revolvers.
This production is frenetic.
The Hurt Locker has so much wrong with it that the tabasco sauce is probably the only correct detail.
For every detail done right in The Hurt Locker, there are 3 that are wrong. Which is odd, considering the same director was responsible for Zero Dark Thirty, which is renowned for its very accurate, though brief, military sequence.
God, I HATED THL. I was in roughly the same area and at the same time as the movie was set in and the scene with the sniper rifle ended my attempt to finish the bloody thing.
The Hurt Locker was hot garbage. Since my wife and I were both EOD techs, we watched it. She left after about 15 minutes. I thought it would stop being cowboy BS and start getting good at some point. Then it ended.
It was horrible.
Hurtlocker “attention to detail” overlooked the fact the Xbox 360 in it, that was released 3 years after the war.
Wonton cruelty? Is that force-feeding someone too many Chinese dumplings?
I wish someone would. Hell waterboard me with that plum sauce
Wardaddy's revolver is an S&W Victory model, not a personally-owned sidearm. These were used both by the British in .38 S&W Long (.38/200 by their designation) and the US Navy and Marines in .38 SPL. His appears to be the .38 SPL model, given the longer cylinder flutes. This actually makes a lot of sense; such a revolver would have been fairly easy to acquire. And since they took standard S&W M&P grips, there was a well-known pattern to follow.
"Generation Kill". The whole series was accurate to what all of us in theater went through in '03, not just Recon.... but, I still laugh when they get to the "J.Lo's dead" bit. That little detail is so true-to-life.
During Saving Private Ryan when they come upon Germans in a pasture with dead cattle, this actually happened. During Operation Overlord, aka D-Day, they firebombed areas of France by accident where there were no enemies and killed livestock instead. Also Barry Pepper has a Garand's Thumb injury common among soldiers loading ammo in M1 Garands.
Isn't that odd? Because as I remember it, Pepper, who played PVT Jackson, carried a 1903 Springfield A-2 with a snipers' scope throughout the entire film. He killed A LOT of enemy soldiers with it too.
@@cunard61 The wrong scope, for really fincicky viewers
The "wonton" cruelty? Ok, Lauren Boebert.
While not really a full blown war movie, 1992's Last of the Mohicans battle scenes are grisly realistic. Not so much in blood and gore, but in agonizingly painful deaths of men slowly dying on the battle field or on the trail.
Great Movie: acting, historic feel, cinematography, musical score, compelling story.... all top notch.
Besides making me feel totally immersed in that time, looking out upon the vast expanses of green and mountain terrain, completely convinced by the super cast, all of them, not least by Wes Studi and Daniel Day Lewis as the arch antagonists, it is the most romantic story I have ever viewed. Even more than Casablanca, sure. Not to mention my all-time most memorable scene, involving the covering fire that Hawkeye gives to the courier from the fort. The buildup of tension, the music, the utter faith the courier has in Hawkeye's marksmanship and judgement, the curiously quiet letdown at the end.
i was gonna do a katrina care package thing when i was a kid but ended up sending stuff to the troops as part of my bar mitzvah project. it was awesome and i have met some of the vets i helped get items for to keep them close to home
In Top Gun 2 when they’re flying the old Tomcat, the most accurate part of the entire movie is when stuff doesn’t work because the circuit breaker is popped, and Maverick knows exactly which one and where it is. That is so accurate for Grumman aircraft if that era.
War Daddy having the 1917 Smith would have been much of an issue. Like you said, several people had weapons sent to them and his revolver is chamber for 45 acp same as the Colt 1911.
The author of “The Hurt Locker” claimed in an interview that she coined the term. I don’t know it’s origins, but I did hear Sly Stallone use it in the movie “Demolition Man” years earlier.
She didn't coin the term: we used it in Vietnam - it meant that someone was or would be in a world of pain if they did something, as in "you'll be in a hurt locker if you use that trail".
The US Revolver, Caliber .45 ACP (both the Colt and S&W models) were retained in depot storage after WWI. Some 180,000+ were on hand when the US declared war. Some 20,000 + were issued, with many going to armored units for issue to tankers. It is not inconceivable that "War Daddy" was issued his in 1941 or 1942. M1917s were also issued again in Korea and saw (very) limited issue in Vietnam.
Thank you for calling this out, other than that it was a really good video. I actually own a Colt M1917, I need to send Colt a letter to get its provenance still. But a damned fine weapon and accurate.
@@invalidusername5861 Colt made another run for the Brazilian Government in 1937. I have one of those. Favorite revolver.
Platoon, before sheen's character shoots barnes he racks the bolt to make sure the gun is loaded.
Agent Orange was an herbicide not a pesticide.
... it was an everything-cide ;)
@@FHL-Devils touche
technically, a defoliant.
Das Boot (the original) was pretty epic.
Fun fact: You can see a mini bottle of Tabasco sauce tucked in Bubbas helmet band, in the movie 'Forrest Gump'. (In the scene where it's raining, and they have their backs up against one another, when he asks Forrest if he'd like to go into the shrimping business with him..)
7.37, Herbicide, not pesticide... in an upload dedicated to detail, this one made me laugh...
The hurt locker is not considered accurate by veterans
Hurt Locker is NOT realistic, active duty and vets literally walked out of the theatre
Generation Kill is what people should watch instead on terms of reality abou US war in Iraq.
I’m a vet who went with other vets and we remained for the entire movie. I don’t know of any combat vet who goes to a Hollywood movie expecting a documentary.
Agreed, it's not so bad I'd have walked out but it's pretty bad. Im an oef and oif veteran, have lots and lots of experience with eod and ieds and hurt locker is accurate in some of its details but it's not at all realistic and things didn't happen like that
One little nitpick: Agent Orange wasn't a pesticide. It was a defoliant. Most of the time when it was sprayed it was mixed with diesel to make it stick to the leaves long enough to kill them. I lived on several firebases (Birmingham, Bastonge and Rakkasan) in I Corp. with the 1/83rd. Field Artillery and got sprayed with the stuff several times. DDT was the pesticide they handed out to us.
I watched a video on TH-cam the other day with a real life EOD specialist breaking down movies and he absolutely roasted the hurt locker
Wardaddy's Smith & Wesson 1917 revolver is not as unusual as you make it out to be. The Colt and Smith & Wesson 1917 revolvers were still issued during WW2. True, they were in a secondary role, but as part of a tank crew, he would have been able to request one should he prefer it over the 1911.
The 1917 was the standard issue in WW1 and since Brad Pitt was about 50 in that WW2 set film, I always went with the idea that his charactor had been in WW1 and had been his sidearm for the past 20 years or so which would also lead credence to the aged custom grips. Armchair charactor creationist right here!
@its_ya_boi_thurston the 1917 was supplemental to the 1911 in WW1. Your explanation works well too
My father was radio man on a u-boot and found watching "Das Boot" both fascinating and quite unsettling. He said most of the film was incredibly real yet he laugh when the submarine was loaded with provisions. He said his ships were never that bountiful.
Yes, most war films esp. of WWII tend to forget that most of Europe were either starving or just on subsistence level.
One accurate detail in Fury was that they used a real German tank for once, Tiger 131. Not a mock-up, not a post-war Czech or Swiss one but the real thing. Though in reality 131 never got further than Africa.
That’s a pretty long way from Germany, to be fair.
@@borismuller86 Yes, but it only served in Africa (and probably only in Tunisia), not all the way from Germany to Africa.
is 131 the unit that the British completely took apart and reverse engineered? I had a few armor history books that had complete schematics in them.
And was a very early production version, so not completely accurate for 1945. But considering it's the only one in the world still running......
@@solicitr666 Even if we forget the real history of 131,which would almost certainly never have returned to Europe even if it hadn't been knocked-out a combat vehicle surviving 3 years of combat would be quite extraordinary.
You would have to invent a story where the tank developed a technical problem early in its career - 1942 - and got forgotten in the workshop because newer tanks were delivered to the unit. Until 1945 when they desperately needed anything that could drive and fire and the tank finally got fixed.
It's weird that they would add such a detail as War Daddy's pistol grip, while also completely re-naming his tank from "In The Mood (1, 2, or 3)" to "Fury".