@@DallasUzumaki her E is only good when she build a burst build (Galeforce + collector) but after the burst if the target don't go down quickly (like the warwick in the vid) the rest of her damage now reply on her aa until her e is off cooldown. As you can see she go with kranken slayer build meaning she focus on aa more than the E burst, therefore IE is better than Navori if you want dish out more damage with your aa Beside, her jump is reset after E detonation or after you score a take down, so building cdr just for lower cooldown on her jump is pointless
It’s dodgable by champions with dashes, invulnerability etc. Immobile champions should keep their distance while she has ult. It’s not the only champion or ability you have to respect and play accordingly in the game
@@Flikanik “oh I’m a squishy champ must walk into the enemy champ X that can 1 shot me before they take the objectives, don’t care about positioning or rest of the team” that is how bronze carrys players play the game.
@@Flikanik Well, if you think walking into her in E range and being killed is smarter, than you can keep going. Shyvana players will thank the stupidness
@@PlayanBerserker is for wave control, if you need to push fast, use it in a strong minnion like a cannon, you use it for dont get freezed in enemy tower, or have a better wave control, so. you can farm, or fast roam
As a retired shy main I miss the days of s9 and S10 before item changes, prime ad build, go bruiser with electrocute, 1 shot anyone that had 0-1 tank items, if they had 2 it was a maybe, if you were ahead yes, this was when you had 4 items people just died, full on tanks you'd probably need a little help with, took it mid and top all the time, even into ranged matchups I could just walk up if they didn't respect me (rip titanic active)
well, just tried because i was curious and.. i think i found the biggest counter on the midlane which is aurelion sol. the fact that you can't either get close or keep e'ing from a distance, is really awful against shyv
There isn't a correct play other than that really. Maybe try to push it really hard if the enemy laner cannot kill you in a rotation and then back. If the enemy jgler is nearby and watches map and yours can't come you're just fucked in this situation.
When lethal tempo is just remake, there was top shyvana with tank/fighter build appears. After 6, shyvana's laning strength is definitely broken. Just ult whenever you have full fury and e brainlessly. Without any damage item, at just lv6, one e can still deal around 300 damage with no cost and that is so hard for enemy to dodge in lane. Once 2 e has landed on enemy, they have to recall or getting killed by your next e. Your opponent have no way to stop you as your transformed e can clean wave insanely. If u keep auto in lane, your ult should have about 60s CD only. When your enemies recall and go back to lane, they would find that after about 30s, they will be bullied by your broken transformed e again.
@@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411 No, they won't, because You actually have a decent lvl 4, especially with ghost ignite and PTA/LT. And You also have a surprisingly good lvl 1, if You're not a pussy and actually take W. W+LT+ignite beats Darius lvl 1. It's that strong. There is only one critical point to the lane, and that is to crash the wave at the rebound around lvl 4. If they freeze on You there, You're in trouble. Once You have lvl 6, You can't be frozen out. R+E breaks every freeze, and You can get dragon form back up from Gromp/Krugs + catching wave a tower, then just break freeze again. Having to give up some farm before 6 isn't a huge deal, as long as You get the exp.
Support main that came here to figure out how the heck this works because we just got blown up by an AP Shyv. Not sure how our Yone went 0/6 in lane against it. Once it got rolling, she just one shot squishies.
Wow I play Shyvana mid ... and I can't hold my tongue. I really still recommend Press the Attack (with Second Wind), Flash and Ghost... first item D-shield... Play around press the attack combined with E-auto-Q(since Q procs PTA twice, resulting in 3) and back off, sit on heals from Dshield/second wind... repeat... You can do this level 1 with E if you have ghost... popping ghost early to abuse an early E-infused PTA proc is fine... because you will win the trade always with your sustain if you can't play aggressive, then sit behind the wave and spam Q but make sure they always hit... and fake them by pretending to go auto then Eing through the minion at them...to further guarantee your E's to hit you can walk away from them then walk right back as they approach, poke them out (without the problem of mana, without the wave stopping your ability, and with a speed boost to make sure they hit) until you can All-In with Ghost+W -> into E/Auto/Q-autos... This is all early game, and I usually back on defensive items, like Ruby Crystal+Dark Seal+Boots...aiming for Frostfire Guantlet into Demonic Embrace still... then still playing around my E poke (which goes through the wave, an underrated quality) I continue my E+Pta trades... abusing distances with W or Ghost... I think first strike isn't as good as they think, because when you run at someone using W to hit your E/Q/autos off, they can usually get you first... I end up holding my E because its so important to have PLUS you can cancel your E with an auto if you time it right so... my First Strike is more or less uselss for dominating early... Shyvana shouldn't dominate early like this... its her weakness... and I feel this playstyle covers it up completely, making her more broken than she already is
shyv main here. yeah PTA and shyvana is like bread and butter, it just deals so much dmg. I've played some mid shyv, nashors tooth is really good for pushing tower, it also makes ap shyvana playable on human form.
because the scaling is bad in jg, the new jg give so much less gold, they nerfed again the jg clear of shyvanna, before shyvanna was having 4% max hp damage by Autoatacks when you hit E, now is only 3%, and in this jg meta, you need to permagank, powerfarmer jg are nerfeed, jg before nerf was giving you 1300 gold if you make full clear, now it give you 900 gold for full clear, you need to be proactive with ganks, and shyvanna ganks are trash before 6
I used to play Shyv mid with ghost for almost 2 seasons. It's really fun, but farming is hard and it's true that everyone counters you easily. I'm gonna admit it's trash, but if you manage to get lv 6 without dying then you can start picking easy kills diving specially bot lane. Sadly, there are better options (for me Syndra is waaaay better and you have almost the same playstyle)
I love Shyvana so much, and I always wanted to be a one trick w her. But I don't like playing her bcs I like to get kills in the early game. Hope her rework changes it, I would love to.
7:28 Jinx tanking and running into fireballs.... I wonder if we aren't seeing these Shyvanas at higher ranks because higher ranks understand the Shyvana fireball gimmick. In other words, maybe a Challenger Jinx wouldn't have frontlined the first fireball, and not ran into the next one, and then won the fight pretty handily, since it's kind of just a 4v5 when fireballs are not landing.
"counters : everyone" got me hahaha
shyv is like tf, gets destroyed by literally anyone
in top you have worst counters XD
It's the oddest thing, every matchup is awful, yet you are still very useful in team fights. It's not a bad pick at all and is very strong low ELO.
@@ThundrStrik all is strong in low elo
@@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411 fair enough, you can't really win lane unless your laner screws up, but in low ELO that's not a hard ask.
4:27 you can see jinx's ult on the map, flying towards swain and just a split second kill feed before the fadeout (yes, she did indeed kill him good)
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Adding enemy's view is a nice touch. Often it's hard to trully see one's contribution to the fight while watching from a single person perspective
0:04 look ! tristana is dealing damage
she didn't built ie that is why
@@SAER0YI to be fair, navori isn't a good item on her amd yes switch to ie instead of navori would be a wiser choice
@@sleepycrow3849 why not? Less cooldown for jump and E…Am I Right?
@@DallasUzumaki her E is only good when she build a burst build (Galeforce + collector) but after the burst if the target don't go down quickly (like the warwick in the vid) the rest of her damage now reply on her aa until her e is off cooldown. As you can see she go with kranken slayer build meaning she focus on aa more than the E burst, therefore IE is better than Navori if you want dish out more damage with your aa
Beside, her jump is reset after E detonation or after you score a take down, so building cdr just for lower cooldown on her jump is pointless
6:58 interactive adc gameplay. Just dove by 2 assassins and that's it.
xD ADC Mains are Gas lighting Riot into biffing their Role. Never Seen that before..
ARAM players: do not cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written
EXACTLY
As someone who mained Shyvana top in season 3, this brings me great pleasure.
dragon vs crocodile.what a time!!!
For what now she’s about to get nerfed
Good old days right
Shyva top in season 13 baby let's goooooooooooooo
@@frankhorrigan1508 ew season 3 is peak league of legend season 3 - season 5 or 6
5:44 instant jungle difference
« level 1 is beyond garbage » had me frrrrr
3:04 The Hans Niemann reference caugh me of guard
Riot: AP Zeri is bad so we remove her ap scalings
Riot: We will pretend AP Shvanna with undodgable E is balanced and fair
Well, tbh she can only do that for some seconds before being useless again
It’s dodgable by champions with dashes, invulnerability etc. Immobile champions should keep their distance while she has ult. It’s not the only champion or ability you have to respect and play accordingly in the game
@@tj_yt_ "Oh no enemy Shyvanna ulted let me respect her abilities and let them take the dragon/baron"
@@Flikanik “oh I’m a squishy champ must walk into the enemy champ X that can 1 shot me before they take the objectives, don’t care about positioning or rest of the team” that is how bronze carrys players play the game.
@@Flikanik Well, if you think walking into her in E range and being killed is smarter, than you can keep going. Shyvana players will thank the stupidness
how does he use minion dematerializer ?
interested in this too!
@@PlayanBerserker is for wave control, if you need to push fast, use it in a strong minnion like a cannon, you use it for dont get freezed in enemy tower, or have a better wave control, so. you can farm, or fast roam
It's good to use to the cannon minion at the timing of roaming
@@LoLDobby thanks for answer!
Dobby id say you could showcase dzukills yasuo in one of the next vids
i saw the korean version came out yesterday, did you work all day 😮😮😮thank you for your work
As a retired shy main I miss the days of s9 and S10 before item changes, prime ad build, go bruiser with electrocute, 1 shot anyone that had 0-1 tank items, if they had 2 it was a maybe, if you were ahead yes, this was when you had 4 items people just died, full on tanks you'd probably need a little help with, took it mid and top all the time, even into ranged matchups I could just walk up if they didn't respect me (rip titanic active)
Pov: you re plat 4 and some guy picks this, how fast do you dodge?
Love me some Shyvana! Just wanna add in that W has an on-hit effect so having it activated before you auto/q will increase your dps!
Hi can you do any high elo pyke players like Ashuai Pyke?
well, just tried because i was curious and.. i think i found the biggest counter on the midlane which is aurelion sol.
the fact that you can't either get close or keep e'ing from a distance, is really awful against shyv
5:14 what is the correct play if your jungler doesn't come?
There isn't a correct play other than that really. Maybe try to push it really hard if the enemy laner cannot kill you in a rotation and then back. If the enemy jgler is nearby and watches map and yours can't come you're just fucked in this situation.
im simple, i see a dobby video, i click
Can u do a new tahm kench top video with the new buffs in place he is getting some play in kr
When lethal tempo is just remake, there was top shyvana with tank/fighter build appears.
After 6, shyvana's laning strength is definitely broken. Just ult whenever you have full fury and e brainlessly. Without any damage item, at just lv6, one e can still deal around 300 damage with no cost and that is so hard for enemy to dodge in lane. Once 2 e has landed on enemy, they have to recall or getting killed by your next e. Your opponent have no way to stop you as your transformed e can clean wave insanely. If u keep auto in lane, your ult should have about 60s CD only. When your enemies recall and go back to lane, they would find that after about 30s, they will be bullied by your broken transformed e again.
there is a problem, normal top laners will not leave you farm and destroy you
@@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411 No, they won't, because You actually have a decent lvl 4, especially with ghost ignite and PTA/LT. And You also have a surprisingly good lvl 1, if You're not a pussy and actually take W. W+LT+ignite beats Darius lvl 1. It's that strong.
There is only one critical point to the lane, and that is to crash the wave at the rebound around lvl 4. If they freeze on You there, You're in trouble. Once You have lvl 6, You can't be frozen out. R+E breaks every freeze, and You can get dragon form back up from Gromp/Krugs + catching wave a tower, then just break freeze again.
Having to give up some farm before 6 isn't a huge deal, as long as You get the exp.
I love mid ap syvanna
tbh if you've played Aram enough, you would know about AP shv
wdym aram? its always a thing, even in high elo people still play ap shyv lol
@@ryoougi9088 my point exactly, its nothing new
3:48 lands one human form E and gets 30g from first strike?
At lvl 9, with 3 kills and Night Harvester, sure, why not?
Hi, could u make a video about a GM euw player called "playmakerZac"? He is a one trick Zac, only top
*E V E R Y O N E*
i got master with shyvanna top, ad, ap, tank, etc.. but shyvanna mid?
Personally I’ve been taking ghost for the chase down but to and ignite can also be great
Support main that came here to figure out how the heck this works because we just got blown up by an AP Shyv. Not sure how our Yone went 0/6 in lane against it. Once it got rolling, she just one shot squishies.
4:33 good night swain
the guys using ap mid shyvana are using her blue skin for a reason... her fire is hard to see... watch it... holy c... pay to win rito! pay to win!
What killed Jinx????
None of the runes or items seem to be new, why is this suddenly viable?
Wow I play Shyvana mid ... and I can't hold my tongue.
I really still recommend Press the Attack (with Second Wind), Flash and Ghost... first item D-shield...
Play around press the attack combined with E-auto-Q(since Q procs PTA twice, resulting in 3) and back off, sit on heals from Dshield/second wind... repeat...
You can do this level 1 with E if you have ghost... popping ghost early to abuse an early E-infused PTA proc is fine... because you will win the trade always with your sustain
if you can't play aggressive, then sit behind the wave and spam Q but make sure they always hit... and fake them by pretending to go auto then Eing through the minion at them...to further guarantee your E's to hit you can walk away from them then walk right back as they approach, poke them out (without the problem of mana, without the wave stopping your ability, and with a speed boost to make sure they hit) until you can All-In with Ghost+W -> into E/Auto/Q-autos...
This is all early game, and I usually back on defensive items, like Ruby Crystal+Dark Seal+Boots...aiming for Frostfire Guantlet into Demonic Embrace still...
then still playing around my E poke (which goes through the wave, an underrated quality) I continue my E+Pta trades... abusing distances with W or Ghost...
I think first strike isn't as good as they think, because when you run at someone using W to hit your E/Q/autos off, they can usually get you first... I end up holding my E because its so important to have PLUS you can cancel your E with an auto if you time it right so... my First Strike is more or less uselss for dominating early...
Shyvana shouldn't dominate early like this... its her weakness... and I feel this playstyle covers it up completely, making her more broken than she already is
shyv main here. yeah PTA and shyvana is like bread and butter, it just deals so much dmg. I've played some mid shyv, nashors tooth is really good for pushing tower, it also makes ap shyvana playable on human form.
your playstyle is like shyvanna top, not mid
So Iceborn into AD mids and what into AP mids?
Why would anyone pick shyv mid instead of shyv jg?
because the scaling is bad in jg, the new jg give so much less gold, they nerfed again the jg clear of shyvanna, before shyvanna was having 4% max hp damage by Autoatacks when you hit E, now is only 3%, and in this jg meta, you need to permagank, powerfarmer jg are nerfeed, jg before nerf was giving you 1300 gold if you make full clear, now it give you 900 gold for full clear, you need to be proactive with ganks, and shyvanna ganks are trash before 6
7:00 look at the Kha and his build lmao
hey nice to see mid shyv. i used to main mid shyv,(mostly in s12), but it can get a bit boring/annoying
It feels like the durability patch got reverted smh
insane
now, everyone will test this shyvana ap mid in ranked game :/
I used to play Shyv mid with ghost for almost 2 seasons. It's really fun, but farming is hard and it's true that everyone counters you easily. I'm gonna admit it's trash, but if you manage to get lv 6 without dying then you can start picking easy kills diving specially bot lane. Sadly, there are better options (for me Syndra is waaaay better and you have almost the same playstyle)
Shyvana is easier than Syndra tho
insane vid as always, but pls dobby, jungler analysis pls pls pls 🙏it been 5 months since your last one 🙏
u can watch today on super server
I love Shyvana so much, and I always wanted to be a one trick w her. But I don't like playing her bcs I like to get kills in the early game. Hope her rework changes it, I would love to.
Only aram chads know the pain of ap shyvana
Counters: everyone
is this a kayle guide?
I feel like the game audio is really loud. Great vid with a lot of useful information as usual though!
I'll take care of it. Thank you !
would be really nice if they would rework shyvana already
frist uwuwuw
AP shyvana is actually better version of AP malpite.
i love the "counter: everyone" but think seriusly, in mid looks better if you dont match so much range champs, in top you have worst matchs XD
7:28 Jinx tanking and running into fireballs....
I wonder if we aren't seeing these Shyvanas at higher ranks because higher ranks understand the Shyvana fireball gimmick.
In other words, maybe a Challenger Jinx wouldn't have frontlined the first fireball, and not ran into the next one, and then won the fight pretty handily, since it's kind of just a 4v5 when fireballs are not landing.
I knew she was viable, I was just too scared to try her mid...
I did that on season 11. I reached plat :(
House of the dragons inspired
This just tells you how shit is midlane atm.
So just a basic, old AP Shyvanna.
If this half-dragon can be strong, surely the other real dragon (A Sol) should be expectedly strong in the future
Asol is already played by top 10 CN super server midlaner. He is fine to say the least.
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y whos that ?
@@dizikiwitar6209 hehanlu. Got 1402 lp playing akali, kekshan and asol.
"Counters: everyone"
Hmmm
Dude you are amazing at teaching, why you limit yourself to cheesy picks? I want to learn wave managment and advanced stuff. Love you
There are hundreds of guides on wave management. Tho they often beat around the bush before saying twhat they want to say fuck proguides
adc has never been strong and they still want to nerf their power
ap shyv been strong since day one, until they release crown, as long as mid laners buy that ap shyv is useless and meta dead since then
I can't wait till the AD buffs come out so I can stop playing this...
Shyvana is basically what Asol wished to be
still doesnt work vs most mid champions and obviously these are videos against silver players.
CuginoRap did it first
Why tell people how to play if you don't know how to play?
lmao not even koreans can make it look like ap shyv takes skill
if you get through laning phase you can turn off your brain for good
AP SHYV IS FREE ELO for enemy team
Grand Master main jungle here, got 2 Master smurf accounts with shyvana full AP
You have to be in a low place to play this. Doesn’t look for at all