This reoccurring panel has become one of the absolute best FFXIV podcasts out there, even in its only semi-frequent state. The work y'all at Grinding Gear have done to network and collab with different FFXIV peeps, both old-heads and people newer to the game like y'all, is really remarkable. Y'all make some of the best FFXIV content out there, and it's very much appreciated. Happy Holidays/Happy New Year
An issue i have with the XIV story is that we have a trump card for every situation that could come up and i would like to see an expansion were we can't just ask the Scions, Vritra or the Grand Company Leaders for help and the key could help mitigate that issue if the WoL and Y'shtola by accident activated via our Azem ex-machina powers and we get teleported to a shard/dimension along with Y'shtola/Krile and we have to learn how to harness our Azem powers inorder to return to the source. - It would create a situation were we can't reply on the Scions's skillsets (Alphi's diplomatic skills, Thancred's Stealth, Graha/Urianger's Knowledge and Alisaie's Strength) and force our WoL into situations were we need to learn how to handle certain dynamics on our own and not have a trump card in our back pocket at all times. - It would open up the oppertunity for the world to a timeskip by the time we cannonically return since we know that time can flow differently when travelling from world to world but it would have to be handled properly since changing the world could end up recieved badly by players (WoW Cataclysm) - Krile and Y'shtola could finally get proper story arcs and give the devs time to build up new characters on these new worlds without feeling like we're neglecting the scions.
I'm down for most of this. There are some logistical issues, though. They'll never put the player in a situation where they can't just return to the rest of the game. That could be fine. Like a "suspend your disbelief for the sake of the story" type deal, but since they've always put effort into logically explaining how things work, like at the start of ShB, I don't see them taking that approach. We _could_ maybe have a situation where we can get ourself back, but not Krile and Y'shtola, which would essentially allow a similar dynamic. And if they're there with their full bodies, we couldn't use the crystals to transport their souls like we did before. I actually remember hearing Yoshi-P mention the idea of a time travel expansion, so that's fine. They won't ever irreparably change the entire world because they want to preserve the player experience (and throwing 12+ years of game in the trash is kinda wasteful and silly imo), but we could absolutely have future or past versions of familiar zones in addition to the present day ones. If they did do that though, I would imagine it being far enough removed from the present day that we wouldn't have any of the same characters.
I came across an interesting tidbit of lore while doing sidequests in Living Memory. Going through the Alexandria dungeon and seeing Sphene's ship struck by lightning I had assumed she was dead then and there. But the sidequest I mentioned says that she was 'afflicted' by lightning imbalance disease like the paralyzed kid and 'eventually' succumbed to the disease. If that's how it played out, it's highly possible that her 'ailing body' was preserved and kept alive by science and it is the real her that we see at the end of the patch.
Ascian involved with Preservation > Give electrope to the civilization so that it causes chaos. Electrope can do anything, just like creation magic. > Calamity > Bing bang boom.
Regarding the raid, Jesse left the game before the content came in that the writers are moving towards here which is the Walk of Echoes. This was content released in the 4th expansion for 11. Sareel Ja mentioned it a few times, but if you didn't know what it was, you would think he was just using FF14 terms because they sound the same.
Maybe this empty canvas on which Sareel Ja is painting, is the empty space left behind after a re-joining. While the world that used to be inside that pocket dimension was re-absorbed by the Source, thanks to the Ascians, doesn't necessarily mean that the pocket dimension itself is gone too. And from the fact that the Ascians broke the barrier sealing the rejoined reflections, they are probably easier to get to, than still existing shards with intact barriers. Funfact about the Last Unicorn: Both the English and the German voice of Haggard was done by Christopher Lee. Yes Y'Shtola needed to be pulled out of the stream, but Thancred popped out on his own, minus an ability to manipulate aether, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility out of the gate.
I managed to hang on through OkayMage's mic cutting out but Preach breaking after it got me. Sareel Ja being "killed" was where 7.0 started getting interesting for me. I had Jordan's theory pretty quick after I finished the MSQ. There's so many different ideas that could be right that I'm not attached to any of them. I feel like getting attached to theories will always leave you let down.
I think what the new alliance raid needs to be properly Omega-tier is for the Garlean Roommates to make an appearance. Wdym Cid and Nero ignore the powers of electrolites and flying cars?
Sphenes line of "I was recreated from the memories from my time as an endless" + the crown receptor being shown at the end of 7.0 makes me pretty sure that the crown is a backup device and if Sphene gets deleted the crown just recreates her. Also, is there any reason at all to introduce Gossan as a character unless he's the antagonist?
1:25:19 Sphene mentions how different elements can be combined to create illusions. How she projects her image on robots & how Ja Ja Jafar recreates FFXI
Not exactly just an illusion made from electrope. Ja Ja Jafar is using the electrope specifically in combination with the same Boonewa magicks that made the shade of Gulool Ja Ja we fought in the MSQ. We don't know how the shade magic works or how exactly it interplays with electrope. Only that the electrope allows the shades to persist, where normally they'd only exist very briefly.
@lunazephyr5560 True, Ja Ja Jafar's creations are a hybrid of Alexandrian and Mamook techniques. His seemed to explode into electrope when undone. Sphene seemed to need an endoskeleton of some sorts.
as a person who did endgame ff 11 I was nerding out, but to be honest if they did a raid more in line with the game. it would be 40 hours of killing crabs...
Look right Bioshock Infinite is a banging game and the way it ties the entire narrative of the series in a neat little circle is fucking nuts. I can't tolerate this slander even from my favourites But yeah GG playing GGG games needs to happen Also Jordan - 'I was waiting for Smile!' Mike and Jesse - *simultaneous aneurism* Edit - 1:00:05 - i just choked on my fanta
Garrett is right about making communal experiences as part of the quest for the alliance raid. It would be so fun, they even did that in stormblood i'm pretty sure
I've never been so interested and also disinterested in a patch story at the same time. I'm with Garrett that Zoraal Ja lore doesn't matter after his death, they should have made him interested before that. I think the Hhetsarro stuff was dull aside from the instance, and the entire section made the childhood abandonment of Koana even worse somehow. _But._ I was extremely interested in everything going on at the field station. Like I wish we got that before fighting Zoraal Ja. And I'm also interested in what's coming next with Sphene. As far as the alliance raid, I am glad to see Jafar come back and do something, but I also agree that it's a shame for the actual instance to just be a bunch of out of context bosses with no story tissue connecting you to fighting them. Hopefully that's something that improves in the future.
I'm 99% sure that the Koana section was originally written into the 7.0 main MSQ, and got content trimmed and slapped into the 7.1 patch as part of the editing of the 7.0 narrative. Probably because they realized 7.0 was getting too bogged down, and 7.1 was going to be too thin on the ground. It was the chunk that was pulled out and rearranged. Narratively it did the least damage, but it still did damage.
Don't forget, it was stated that Galool Ja can freely pass by monsters and be left alone. Also, the time skip had nothing to do with entering the portal. "Why did they run?" Are we talking about the bubble? Because the game made it clear they weren't "running" from anything, at least not as a primary goal. Sphene dimension hopped to gather souls for the fuel grinder because supplies were dwindling. "What if Sphene's robo body gets damaged, they must have had a system-" Did he not see her body hop when her vessels got destroyed? But to be fair, if this is a backup copy of her endless, it's clearly been tampered with.
There was another time when we had several first person cutscenes - with the original Golbez of 13th, who as then turned into Memoria crystal. So perhaps Sphene has more connection to us than initially seemed. It did seem a bit weird that the Queen Eternal could use the Key, so... ...what if the original Sphene of Alexandria is a shard of Azem, too? And she needs to be kept on ice for that very reason - that she is the only one that can use the key? Put her on ice, have a movie play through her mind of some terrible thing happening whenever transdimensional fusion is necessary to be engaged as a trigger for the key itself? And the Sphene we have met and seen all this time is just an image of the real one, a simulacrum.
Should I watch this as someone who didn't play 7.1 at all? Probably, not. But I love my GG group podcasts and X.1 stories aren't usually the most insane story wise, so I don't think I'll be that distraught on spoilers.
2:32:13 Plausibly additive info: if game devs are mindful of numerology - patterns point to yes - 2025 and 2026 boil down to 9 (cycle end) and 1 (cycle start).
As an FFXI player for about a decade, I can say assuredly the following things: - Prishe's character is true to form and I found her annoying in CoP and I was on Team Ulmia (the hot redhed Elvaan you saw - basically Prishe's baby sister / best friend in her found family way) - The Shadow Lord arena looked exactly like that, but the Shadow Lord fight wasn't really anything like that, other than the clones being a thing - The Fafnir fight? WAS EXACTLY LIKE THAT. Down to the stupid Darter adds. Except they weren't adds, they were just normal mobs that kept respawning in his arena and you had to kill them. And he was the equivalent of an S rank hunt, and only one 18 person alliance at a time could claim him, so you'd be up at 4AM for the spawn window and pray your tank's provoke was faster. - The Ark Angels fight was also pretty much exactly like that - pure chaos, 18 vs 5. One of the strategies was to literally have a tank kite the Elvaan up and down the hallway for five minutes while everyone else tried to kill the Tarutaru ASAP and other tanks held the other three mobs.
There's always cases of actors mispronouncing things and it making it into the final cut. I swear to god, I don't know where, but I'm pretty sure there's a voice line where someone says "Pelup-a-lu" instead of "pelu-pleu", even though every other case was the later.
The Alliance raid actually got me to play 11 because there is the ever slight possibility that they are about to make FF11 a shard, they also do the Azem thing of saying she or he when referring to the player character of 11 which has only been seen for Azem in the past and could be a tiny hint as implying the PC from 11 is a shard of us.
Omg please please no trial series baked into the MSQ again that would be incredibly disappointing. Idk if during 4.0 and 5.0. They teased the trials series or if it was only mentioned after the .1 patch but i really hope it's its own thing. Because dawntrail needs the 7.3 Msq finale boss like Nidhogg, Tsukuyomi and Elidibus
And i think majority of the feedback they got agrees. Because ffxiv players also enjoy side stories a lot, stuff that explores other areas and characters like werlyt, 4 lords and warring triad. Making the trials in the msq seemed lazy to a lot of people
Like i dont think most ffxiv players are msq onlys. Most people do the normal raids and alliance raids and trials and etc. Especially veteran players (not talking about hardcore or casual). Because this is content that takes months to come out and people will play what's available. Its nowhere near as just "2%" of the player base (i know preach was just saying a random number but still)
Blue quests are always recommended for new players to do actually, at some point. Like that’s all the advice i got when i started. This sounds like a lot of criticism for the podcast but no i'm loving it! Just wanted to touch on these parts
Priche won't be the real one. It's 100% the guy. Soreel Ja said explicity he made Priche. But he hesitated with him and tge guy just assumed he was made.
This reoccurring panel has become one of the absolute best FFXIV podcasts out there, even in its only semi-frequent state. The work y'all at Grinding Gear have done to network and collab with different FFXIV peeps, both old-heads and people newer to the game like y'all, is really remarkable.
Y'all make some of the best FFXIV content out there, and it's very much appreciated.
Happy Holidays/Happy New Year
The person wasn't even dead! Worst funeral ever! 1 out of 5 stars.
I almost gave this a thumbs down to be thematic with the review.
An issue i have with the XIV story is that we have a trump card for every situation that could come up and i would like to see an expansion were we can't just ask the Scions, Vritra or the Grand Company Leaders for help and the key could help mitigate that issue if the WoL and Y'shtola by accident activated via our Azem ex-machina powers and we get teleported to a shard/dimension along with Y'shtola/Krile and we have to learn how to harness our Azem powers inorder to return to the source.
- It would create a situation were we can't reply on the Scions's skillsets (Alphi's diplomatic skills, Thancred's Stealth, Graha/Urianger's Knowledge and Alisaie's Strength) and force our WoL into situations were we need to learn how to handle certain dynamics on our own and not have a trump card in our back pocket at all times.
- It would open up the oppertunity for the world to a timeskip by the time we cannonically return since we know that time can flow differently when travelling from world to world but it would have to be handled properly since changing the world could end up recieved badly by players (WoW Cataclysm)
- Krile and Y'shtola could finally get proper story arcs and give the devs time to build up new characters on these new worlds without feeling like we're neglecting the scions.
I love this! Basically a soft reset, that's still connected to the original world/universe/shard, but at the same time, separate and blocked from it.
I'm down for most of this. There are some logistical issues, though. They'll never put the player in a situation where they can't just return to the rest of the game. That could be fine. Like a "suspend your disbelief for the sake of the story" type deal, but since they've always put effort into logically explaining how things work, like at the start of ShB, I don't see them taking that approach. We _could_ maybe have a situation where we can get ourself back, but not Krile and Y'shtola, which would essentially allow a similar dynamic. And if they're there with their full bodies, we couldn't use the crystals to transport their souls like we did before.
I actually remember hearing Yoshi-P mention the idea of a time travel expansion, so that's fine. They won't ever irreparably change the entire world because they want to preserve the player experience (and throwing 12+ years of game in the trash is kinda wasteful and silly imo), but we could absolutely have future or past versions of familiar zones in addition to the present day ones. If they did do that though, I would imagine it being far enough removed from the present day that we wouldn't have any of the same characters.
I came across an interesting tidbit of lore while doing sidequests in Living Memory. Going through the Alexandria dungeon and seeing Sphene's ship struck by lightning I had assumed she was dead then and there. But the sidequest I mentioned says that she was 'afflicted' by lightning imbalance disease like the paralyzed kid and 'eventually' succumbed to the disease. If that's how it played out, it's highly possible that her 'ailing body' was preserved and kept alive by science and it is the real her that we see at the end of the patch.
Brain in the vat?
Her body is in a vat, then she can rapidly clone herself as much as she wants.
Ascian involved with Preservation > Give electrope to the civilization so that it causes chaos. Electrope can do anything, just like creation magic. > Calamity > Bing bang boom.
Slap the name "Prometheus" on said Ascian and you're good to go
Electrope has many uses!
@@HanabiraKage WATCH AND LEARN!
Regarding the raid, Jesse left the game before the content came in that the writers are moving towards here which is the Walk of Echoes. This was content released in the 4th expansion for 11. Sareel Ja mentioned it a few times, but if you didn't know what it was, you would think he was just using FF14 terms because they sound the same.
Another banger roundtable! I'd though argue that Zoraal Ja's backstory wasn't at all about him though. It was all about Gulool Ja!
Maybe this empty canvas on which Sareel Ja is painting, is the empty space left behind after a re-joining. While the world that used to be inside that pocket dimension was re-absorbed by the Source, thanks to the Ascians, doesn't necessarily mean that the pocket dimension itself is gone too. And from the fact that the Ascians broke the barrier sealing the rejoined reflections, they are probably easier to get to, than still existing shards with intact barriers.
Funfact about the Last Unicorn: Both the English and the German voice of Haggard was done by Christopher Lee.
Yes Y'Shtola needed to be pulled out of the stream, but Thancred popped out on his own, minus an ability to manipulate aether, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility out of the gate.
Need a Jordan with a chef hat with that galaxy-brained level cooking at around 1:33:00
I keep waiting for someone to accidentally create a primal out of faith in a person, but somehow sphene as primal has not popped up yet as a theory.
By this point, I'm actually starting to wonder if we'll have an expansion where we don't have to handle poop
"everybody poops" - everybody
Hope this roundtable of peeps keeps coming back for the new patches, they are awesome!
I managed to hang on through OkayMage's mic cutting out but Preach breaking after it got me.
Sareel Ja being "killed" was where 7.0 started getting interesting for me.
I had Jordan's theory pretty quick after I finished the MSQ. There's so many different ideas that could be right that I'm not attached to any of them. I feel like getting attached to theories will always leave you let down.
I think what the new alliance raid needs to be properly Omega-tier is for the Garlean Roommates to make an appearance. Wdym Cid and Nero ignore the powers of electrolites and flying cars?
I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. With all this tech, where's Cid and his better half?
Now gonna feel bad Garrett has to play Stray .😄 But at least it doesn’t compete with Jesse’s Indy play through.
Sphenes line of "I was recreated from the memories from my time as an endless" + the crown receptor being shown at the end of 7.0 makes me pretty sure that the crown is a backup device and if Sphene gets deleted the crown just recreates her. Also, is there any reason at all to introduce Gossan as a character unless he's the antagonist?
1:25:19 Sphene mentions how different elements can be combined to create illusions. How she projects her image on robots & how Ja Ja Jafar recreates FFXI
Not exactly just an illusion made from electrope.
Ja Ja Jafar is using the electrope specifically in combination with the same Boonewa magicks that made the shade of Gulool Ja Ja we fought in the MSQ. We don't know how the shade magic works or how exactly it interplays with electrope. Only that the electrope allows the shades to persist, where normally they'd only exist very briefly.
@lunazephyr5560 True, Ja Ja Jafar's creations are a hybrid of Alexandrian and Mamook techniques. His seemed to explode into electrope when undone. Sphene seemed to need an endoskeleton of some sorts.
1:50:52 memories for the endless sphene partially restored
as a person who did endgame ff 11 I was nerding out, but to be honest if they did a raid more in line with the game. it would be 40 hours of killing crabs...
Look right Bioshock Infinite is a banging game and the way it ties the entire narrative of the series in a neat little circle is fucking nuts. I can't tolerate this slander even from my favourites
But yeah GG playing GGG games needs to happen
Also
Jordan - 'I was waiting for Smile!'
Mike and Jesse - *simultaneous aneurism*
Edit - 1:00:05 - i just choked on my fanta
Garrett is right about making communal experiences as part of the quest for the alliance raid. It would be so fun, they even did that in stormblood i'm pretty sure
it's always a blast listening to this all star team chat about xiv
I've never been so interested and also disinterested in a patch story at the same time. I'm with Garrett that Zoraal Ja lore doesn't matter after his death, they should have made him interested before that. I think the Hhetsarro stuff was dull aside from the instance, and the entire section made the childhood abandonment of Koana even worse somehow.
_But._ I was extremely interested in everything going on at the field station. Like I wish we got that before fighting Zoraal Ja. And I'm also interested in what's coming next with Sphene.
As far as the alliance raid, I am glad to see Jafar come back and do something, but I also agree that it's a shame for the actual instance to just be a bunch of out of context bosses with no story tissue connecting you to fighting them. Hopefully that's something that improves in the future.
I'm 99% sure that the Koana section was originally written into the 7.0 main MSQ, and got content trimmed and slapped into the 7.1 patch as part of the editing of the 7.0 narrative. Probably because they realized 7.0 was getting too bogged down, and 7.1 was going to be too thin on the ground. It was the chunk that was pulled out and rearranged. Narratively it did the least damage, but it still did damage.
@@katarh I agree. It really feels like the Hhetsarro section is missing from 7.0
1:39:08 Last unicorn was scary
Don't forget, it was stated that Galool Ja can freely pass by monsters and be left alone. Also, the time skip had nothing to do with entering the portal.
"Why did they run?" Are we talking about the bubble? Because the game made it clear they weren't "running" from anything, at least not as a primary goal. Sphene dimension hopped to gather souls for the fuel grinder because supplies were dwindling.
"What if Sphene's robo body gets damaged, they must have had a system-" Did he not see her body hop when her vessels got destroyed? But to be fair, if this is a backup copy of her endless, it's clearly been tampered with.
There was another time when we had several first person cutscenes - with the original Golbez of 13th, who as then turned into Memoria crystal.
So perhaps Sphene has more connection to us than initially seemed. It did seem a bit weird that the Queen Eternal could use the Key, so...
...what if the original Sphene of Alexandria is a shard of Azem, too? And she needs to be kept on ice for that very reason - that she is the only one that can use the key? Put her on ice, have a movie play through her mind of some terrible thing happening whenever transdimensional fusion is necessary to be engaged as a trigger for the key itself? And the Sphene we have met and seen all this time is just an image of the real one, a simulacrum.
2:04:18 i think promathia is tier 2 and gulool jaja is tier 3
I think the paladin is the only real 11 character
1:34:26 remember Steve
Should I watch this as someone who didn't play 7.1 at all? Probably, not. But I love my GG group podcasts and X.1 stories aren't usually the most insane story wise, so I don't think I'll be that distraught on spoilers.
Its a little bit more involved with the story than your average .1 but at the end of the day its still a .1 i think you're good to go.
Kann-E Senna could have Esuna'd the poison, never would have been an issue for her. The Elder Seedseer is an accomplished White Mage.
Loved the raid & references.
Also really enjoyed the Koana story part. More Catboy Cowboys & Natives please 😸
2:32:13 Plausibly additive info: if game devs are mindful of numerology - patterns point to yes - 2025 and 2026 boil down to 9 (cycle end) and 1 (cycle start).
Baby’s momma gave Athena vibes a little bit.
A good way to check % players doing content is looking at trophies for playstation.
As an FFXI player for about a decade, I can say assuredly the following things:
- Prishe's character is true to form and I found her annoying in CoP and I was on Team Ulmia (the hot redhed Elvaan you saw - basically Prishe's baby sister / best friend in her found family way)
- The Shadow Lord arena looked exactly like that, but the Shadow Lord fight wasn't really anything like that, other than the clones being a thing
- The Fafnir fight? WAS EXACTLY LIKE THAT. Down to the stupid Darter adds. Except they weren't adds, they were just normal mobs that kept respawning in his arena and you had to kill them. And he was the equivalent of an S rank hunt, and only one 18 person alliance at a time could claim him, so you'd be up at 4AM for the spawn window and pray your tank's provoke was faster.
- The Ark Angels fight was also pretty much exactly like that - pure chaos, 18 vs 5. One of the strategies was to literally have a tank kite the Elvaan up and down the hallway for five minutes while everyone else tried to kill the Tarutaru ASAP and other tanks held the other three mobs.
There's always cases of actors mispronouncing things and it making it into the final cut. I swear to god, I don't know where, but I'm pretty sure there's a voice line where someone says "Pelup-a-lu" instead of "pelu-pleu", even though every other case was the later.
Someone watched to much Beetlejuice 2
Was it me? I watched Beetlejuice 2! But what I say on streams falls out of my head and I forget the reference!
The Alliance raid actually got me to play 11 because there is the ever slight possibility that they are about to make FF11 a shard, they also do the Azem thing of saying she or he when referring to the player character of 11 which has only been seen for Azem in the past and could be a tiny hint as implying the PC from 11 is a shard of us.
Omg please please no trial series baked into the MSQ again that would be incredibly disappointing. Idk if during 4.0 and 5.0. They teased the trials series or if it was only mentioned after the .1 patch but i really hope it's its own thing. Because dawntrail needs the 7.3 Msq finale boss like Nidhogg, Tsukuyomi and Elidibus
And i think majority of the feedback they got agrees. Because ffxiv players also enjoy side stories a lot, stuff that explores other areas and characters like werlyt, 4 lords and warring triad. Making the trials in the msq seemed lazy to a lot of people
Like i dont think most ffxiv players are msq onlys. Most people do the normal raids and alliance raids and trials and etc. Especially veteran players (not talking about hardcore or casual). Because this is content that takes months to come out and people will play what's available. Its nowhere near as just "2%" of the player base (i know preach was just saying a random number but still)
Blue quests are always recommended for new players to do actually, at some point. Like that’s all the advice i got when i started. This sounds like a lot of criticism for the podcast but no i'm loving it! Just wanted to touch on these parts
Priche won't be the real one. It's 100% the guy. Soreel Ja said explicity he made Priche. But he hesitated with him and tge guy just assumed he was made.
i stopped watching cause it was boring but i just came here to say yall made me feel young again thanks (im 30)
because you act like old people
God, what is Preach's aversion to ff11? Just play it for it's story like a single player. Super easy