@@yugen You do realize that a modern term based on a vague reference (hint hint) does not have to be 100% faithful to the source it's referencing, right?
@@potatoperson1719 I'm picturing someone holding a bow in each hand, and gripping the strings of the left in the right and vice versa and pulling their arms apart to shoot to the left and right at the same time. Of course you will drop both bows when you shoot. And you will miss. But it would look funny. And if you pull them apart far enough it'll snap off your nose.
Yes, but what if two have, hypothetically, the same level of accuracy. Speed is the final decisive variable. Which is more impressive: You hitting a bulls eye from 100 ft every 15 seconds You hitting a bulls eye from 100 ft every 5 seconds The answer should be unanimous, the faster the cooler. If you can hit just as many bulls as someone else twice or three times as fast then I would say that's way cooler and advertises WAY more skill. I don't know why people are overlooking this. Personally, I want to be accurate AND fast. Why only concentrate on one? Why not improve on both aspects, that's how you define someone that's good. You all seem to be a little....dumb... Also in addition, regarding to gunfighting, if I can shoot 6 times before you shoot 1 I have a much greater chance of hitting you than you hitting me. Not to mention my spray of bullets will likely cause a decrease in your focus and you may, or may not hit me. Speed AND accuracy are vital as you go against better and better gunfighters. This is all just logical....
Your comparison breaks apart in integrity when you look at the assumption made: that accuracy is static and speed is the success criteria. Sure, being able to hit a target with more arrows in a shorter time frame is more impressive. Doing that on horseback even more so. The problem is that, realistically, this is seldom the case - speed normally comes at the cost of accuracy, unless you make the target easier to hit. In this case, many people overrate speed, while the ultimately objective of archery is to hit the target. Being able to do so on demand is more of a sign of archery skill than being able to shoot really quickly and turn it into a matter of probability. In gunfighting, first shot accuracy as important as speed - you can't shoot 6 times if you die before you get your 2nd shot off. But that's beside the point - gunfighting isn't archery.
@@spin.chicken Wyatt Earp had the benefit of actually putting his theory to the test, have you? Anybody can bullshit in TH-cam comments but it would be a different matter when you are actually facing somebody in a gunfight. My guess is, your hands would be shaking so much, you'd shoot your own nose off.
Does it ruin both arrows? I always assumed it just damaged the back end of one that got hit, and the arrow that hit it could just be removed and reused.
Zasa Pamasawasa depends on the type of arrow, you could probably separate a wooden arrow. But I use aluminium arrows, and the penetrating arrow was so firmly lodged inside the the other arrow that both arrows were fused into one.
Being accurate enough to split the arrow every time might seem cool, but with that level of accuracy, one could instead make their initials with their arrows, within the gold of course, which is just as much a show of accuracy and doesn't cost you arrows.
One of the reasons I love teaching beginner classes is that it reminds me not to get caught up in archery culture hooplah. Just being a decent archer is pretty cool in the eyes of the general public.
Yup. Some so called "experts" just love to compare sport archery with medeival combat archery. Keep saying the old ways are better. I'm so sick of that attitude. Beginners are much easier to handle. Just fun, fun and fun.
When I hear "instinctive shooting" my mind immediately gravitates to those people who still practice traditional English war bow shooting, and look like they're tearing themselves in half to launch an arrow at 45° that travels like, 200 yards and still manages to land in a target that they don't even look like they're pointed at. I mean... That still seems pretty cool.
When I think of instinctive shooting I think of someone like Ron LaClair or Byron Ferguson shooting an aspirin out of the air. There's no context in which that isn't cool, and to say otherwise comes off as dishonest imo.
@@Sardonic_sardine they were called Welsh War Bows.... look it up. The video even says the English copied their longbow from the Welsh war bow. They used to hire Welsh archers for campaigns.
I have to disagree with you on ancient bows... They will always be cool. Yeah, if ancient archers could get their hands on modern bows, they would definitely chose a modern bow over their own. But ancient people didn't have the technology that we have. Horn, wood, sinew... Those simple materials were enough to make something powerful and that will always be cool.
As I said in the video, the original "cool" factor doesn't change. However, the "old" ways tend to be overrated by observers. Modern bows are better in nearly every way.
gethren1 Good point! Or why don't sport fencers use real rapiers, sabres, or smallswords... or even sparring versions of those weapons? Even many firearms shooting sports use firearms that are very different from modern combat firearms.
I'll admit that sport fencing has lost it's martial value. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have any value. Even Matt Easton would still encourage people who want to learn swordsmanship, but don't have access to a HEMA or HMA club, to learn sport fencing as a precursor to Historical fencing. "The only true fencing is HEMA." I take issue with this. In fact, I'm pretty fucking sure that Tuareg martial arts provide far better martial value than HEMA. You know why? Because the Tuaregs still fight with swords to this day! Also, there are certain schools within FMA (mostly in eskrima but it also depends on the guro) that endeavour to teach historical fencing. I'm sure that there are other, non-European martial arts that value martial fencing and swordsmanship. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that it doesn't have value *(that's just like, your opinion man).* Admittedly, I don't really like sport fencing but I have to acknowledge that it has its value. Martial value isn't everything. We live in peaceful times. Learning to fight, maim, and kill is no longer important. The better angels of our nature have won to some tangible extent, and I for one hope that they continue to win. One more thing. Archery is ancient. Some theories suggest that archery was an important factor that contributed to the survival of humans during the later parts of the Quaternary Extinction Event. Humans could hunt smaller prey, other predators could not. Point is, we have reason to believe that archery is pretty fucking old. Not only that, it survives and continues to evolve. Apart from sewing, spear throwing, painting, sculpting and a few other things, it's one of the oldest memes that are still evolving in some way. I wouldn't hold my breath for spear throwing. Olympic javelin has started to plateau and even if atlatl becomes more popular, the limits of that technology are pretty tangible even at this moment. But archery still has so much potential. Sure you can invent many ways to stitch and embroider things for centuries, or even millenia to come, but I bet that it's never going to be as exciting as archery.
the ones broken in half. and you stick them back together with your nasal discharge and nock them in one swift'n smooth move while making a serious face that puts orlando bloom to shame.
Can't use a longbow at the Olympics, only recurve bows. You might be able to find a Golden Eagle Shakespeare on Ebay, they killed it in the Olympics in the 60's and 70's.
These videos are so correct and properly worded. I learn a lot from them as a novice hobby shooter. Meanwhile I enjoy them a lot, as a psychiatrist, as a “man of science”:) Very correct, describes the bigger picture, offers perspectives, whithout judgement and unnecessary emotional content and distorsion. This video can be used as a general example for describing something complex correctly, taking into account the human nature, the psychological laws working in the background. You teach and embody much more, than shooting skills.
Compound bow is better for hunting sure but in a real 'world going to poo' survival situation repairing and maintaining a compound bow will be much more difficult. A take-down recurve bow would be a better bet in my opinion. Aside from that I think the modern stuff is very cool but I cant feel like a badass Robin Hood with something like that in my hands.
i agree but would you really need a bow in that situation or would a gun or knife be better? edit: i just realized that that means between the two bows
It's a good idea to have a bow along side of a gun if remaining unnoticed is essential. Also, reusing bow ammunition is easier than reloading cases in a bug-out scenario
@@johnomacian5586 Way easier to make arrows than bullets, it's relatively easy to make bows and arrows from found materials (I literally shoot with a 40lb bow made with PVC pipe, fiberglass rods and poly cord), and bows are much quieter. But modern guns are 10x more effective and much easier to be accurate with, especially at longer distances. Honestly you would want both in a end of the world sort of bug out scenario.
@@johnomacian5586 A job for every tool. There's several modern, real world military units that train with recurve bows. Sometimes the most effective or desirable weapon for a given scenario is not the most practical or easy to maintain.
It also makes for easier rapid fire without needing to hold multiple arrows in your hand. I'm trying to figure out if there is a sort of slight of hand technique that could still have the advantages of the reverse hand grip and right side position of the bow while still using the modernized left side of the bow. I like this because it is both a challenge and one could master doing accuracy and speed. As for survival techniques practice rigging up homemade bows and shooting them if that's your thing. What needs to be understood here is that these skillsets can transfer over into other things that you do. Things like card tricks, seeing long distance etc. There are advantages to doing more than just one thing in your life besides archery. Archery is cool to me precisely because it is harder and it provides skills that can transfer over to playing the guitar and improving / healing your eyesight by focusing on the target at a long distance without useing your glasses.
Indeed but for hunting you make brusk moves using a back quiver ,a good quiver is a side quiver ! imgur.com/Rv4xjOR Kwai Peter O. Stecher , target shooter :D
Since you brought it up, here is a Russian video on speed shooting using a back quiver, traditional bow, and arrow on the left, but with a unique draw. It's pretty neat: th-cam.com/video/1o9RGnujlkI/w-d-xo.html
As an older man whom is seriously considering archery, traditional archery is fascinating to me. But I must say for myself I am leaning towards a modern recurve or takedown bow to start with. Thanks for your time and information.
I'll still romanticise my english longbow and instinctive/traditional shooting for it's simplicity and connection to my culture. but yeah, its nowhere near as effextive as modern equipment and tactics.
Michael Johansen Idk what those are lol... I do archery at school. We don’t wear any sort of protection. Only like 2 kids wear arm guards cause they really need it.
Michael Johansen my wife needs a chest guard that looks like a part of Richard 1st armour , with a pair of jugs like hers not wearing one would rip half her tit off !!!!
People tend to forget that the English Warbow was designed to be fired in massed volleys at large groups of targets and at faily long ranges. Accuracy was important, but it was a different kind of accuracy. The goal was to get an arrow into a fairly large area, say a 1.5m circle, where it would be bound to hit someone since you were firing at massed troops. These weren't flat trajectory shots, rather the arrow would strike the target from above. This type of shooting is still practiced in modern day Clout archery where arrows are scored based on how close they land in the ground to a target flag. Archers of the day used much lighter bows for hunting, where individual arrow placement was more important, generally 45-60# draws, the same as modern hunters. As for why the English longbow dominated the battlefield rather than the more technologically advanced crossbow...As the video explains, this has more to do with the English (or Welsh!) bowmen than it did with the bow itself. England could simply generate more trained archers at lower cost due to a deliberate cultural and economic base. The French produced better heavy cavalry than the English, due to their own cultural biases, unfortunately for them, Cavalry has always had certain weaknesses which the English were well placed to take advantage of. English Knights were much more willing to fight on foot than French knights, and this enabled them to work closely with archers in an early form of combined arms doctrine. The French would send crossbowmen ahead to 'soften' the English up, but then they just wanted a good old fashion cavalry charge...It was more a matter of tactics than technology.
Heavy cavarly was ALWAYS better to have than bowman or foot soldiers. Yes soldiers not knights. Knights were only using horses. What kind of a nobleman you are if you are not on your horse?
The English War Bows would hardly ever penetrate plate armor. They did penetrate mail and horses quite well though. Archers were used against cavalry to stop the momentum of the charge so that the billmen could close with the enemy more safely.
I'd be interested to get a source on the thing around arrows being fired in volley. Most depictions and texts I've seen show archers shooting flat not towards the sky. Additionally texts talk about archers aiming at a target. Keep in mind every arrow you fire has to be hand made and paid for. Additionally archers can only shoot a limited number at 180lbs before they tire so wasting tons in volley is not well thought out.
I started archery as a recurve archer and I lived and breathed it, despite having target panic from the start. After some time however, I got horrendously caught up in numbers and pbs and my coaches put more and more pressure on me to the point my already bad target panic became unbearable and I just snapped - I couldn’t do it anymore. I’d be standing facing the target, something that used to bring me joy, had reduced me to a shaking mess on the verge of tears and most of the time I’d end up crying in the clubhouse because I was so terrified of even hitting one 8 or 7. I’ve now moved to barebow and I entirely shoot instinctively and it’s the best thing I could’ve ever done. My love for archery has come back - I just hope one day I can get over my target panic and try recurve again, so I can see the appeal in instinctive shooting completely :)
What an awful coach! It is about progress not perfection. Every arrow that doesn't hit gets you closer to your goal of intuitive archery because you can adapt and it will happen less frequently.
Before I go out and shoot, or do some training with my pups I spend some time meditating on what I'll be working on that session. I learned to do this when I was training horses. It worked so well I expanded it into my daily life,which really improved, I deal with anxiety and PTSD from child abuse. EFT, Emotional Freedom Tapping also does wonders for anxiety and PTSD. I hope your doing better now. And just remember, relax, breath and enjoy
"Arrows cost money" EXACTLY! Or in my case it means I need to make a new arrow, I HATE ruining a well made arrow. I've reduced the number of arrows I shoot to 4 at a time so I don't destroy them as much.
NUSensei always puts forward a well argued and logical view on archery and, as a relatively new archer, I have gained much insight from these videos. Thanks and keep posting them.
Thank you, I'm just getting into archery as I find it is a lot of fun and satisfying to see target hit. The same idea of desensitise goes to everything, I ride motorbike a lots and find it normal for bikes to just stand up on its own without rider input, you only need input when you are turning or changing direction, it became instinct to just hold the bars, not grabbing it.
There's one objective advantage to shooting instinctive with a traditional bow and that is the price. I've only been shooting for a year but I wouldn't have been able to afford a modern recurve with a sight and stabilizers. So I would say that the very least it's a good style/class to get more people into archery as those with limited funds can also get started.
While I wouldn't begrudge anyone who does the setup for sights and stuff it just never appealed to me. I'm not trying to get super accurate I just want to shoot a bow. Using compound, adding sights, stabilizers, and button release all feel more like using a gun or something which just never was a draw for me. Definitely see why people do for accuracy and if I was hunting I absolutely would. But that's very unlikely.
I am a longbow archer at my local club. We're 3 bare/longbow archers in a larger group of people who use modern bows. It's just always cute to see them asking if they could shoot with our equipment for a few arrows. Same goes vice versa. Sometimes we ask them if we could shoot with their equipment when they got a cool new gadget. It's a really nice feel to hold a more designed for precision bow and take a shot or two with it :D
Oh I can relate to that. While I'm not in a club I often go to 3d Parcours with friends who have modern recurve bows from high tech materials worth $ 1000++ with weights and dampeners and feth knows what while I'm just standing there with a long wooden stick... 🤣 And nothing is more satisfying than hitting better than them while doing "everything wrong" because "you don't shoot like that!" 🤣🤣
I just got my first Quiver in the mail today it is a back Quiver and I love it! I am living my inner Katniss Everdeen thank you very much. also I love most of your videos.
Absolutely nothing wrong with back quivers. If they're good enough for Byron Ferguson, Howard Hill, Ron LaClair, or Fred Bear, they're good enough for me. And yes they are cool :)
"But in the end, the English longbow is a stick and a string." :-D On top of being insanely informative, every vid has at least one line that's utterly hilarious. Best archery content on TH-cam!
I've only been doing archery for a few weeks and I love it so much. I also found this channel recently and now im basically addicted to archery. Love your channel
My bow making teachers, teacher Mike Berryhill when he got older in his years made himself a 14lb Osage bow with appropriately spinned arrows. He could still hit 90 yard corn stalk shoot targets. When he was younger he took his now and a single arrow and fired it repeatedly through a banner eyelet because some boasters were bashing inaccuracy of traditional archery.
One of the best editorials I've seen in a long time. I don't agree with all comments, but many good points and good perspective on how we see things differently as we get more knowledgeable. Thanks.
Cracking video, for someone who is just about to buy an AFB to begin their archery journey it made me smile, regardless of what a bow is made off to me the fun will be learning to use it, it is all that counts.
Primitive Archery is NOT "better". That said, it is a different discipline, that simply appeals more to some people. For some of us. making our own bows and arrows are massively gratifying. Do I disdain the modern archer? Only when the modern archer tries to claim it was the epitome of their skill, instead of the many mechanical advantages given. The simple fact is, for hunting, for instance, a composite bow, with sights, mechanical release, etc, are simply EASIER to use. That does not mean that an archer using one cannot be immensely skilled. But there is a different mentality between almost ANY augmented vs unaugmented. I don't see the purpose of using a modern bow or inline blackpowder rifle. To me it is the historicity of a flint lock, or my compound bow, I simply feel a much higher sense of satisfaction to mastering them, then I do using their modern analogs... as TBH, if I want to maximize my efficacy... why would I use anything other than a modern, self-loading, scoped rifle? After all, that is the ULTIMATE destination of the "use technology to maximize your efficacy" IF we are being honest. Simply using a Bow or Black Powder rifle of any sort, at the end of the day, is about sentiment and romanticizing an obsolete discipline. That said, do I take issue with practitioners of these other disciplines? Not at all. Simply be honest (whether a primitive, traditional, Instinctive or modern target or hunting archer, or firearm user) about what it means.
killerpeaches7 When someone with a recurve and someone with a compound shoot together, and achieve similar levels of success, you can immediately tell who’s more skilled.
In the future people with automatet aiming mechanisms in their weapons will tell everyone else that they just want to be cool by not choosing the most efficient tool available while sitting back and eating nachos.
Started with gap shooting, moved onto compound. Enjoy both. At the end of the day, how you get your zen, and form is up to you, and who cares, as long as you enjoy. I would love one day to try the Japanese form, just for a day even. Mounted archery isn’t for the size of me, I wouldn’t want to inflict that on any horse. Came late to the game, but love the mental escape it brings. Especially now.
I’m an English Canadian, so brought up with a love of longbows, and two fingers to the French. Live in the Rockies, where compound is king, but archery is practised more, in most forms.
A few months ago, I was invited from the introductory archery class (well, a couple decades since I used a fiberglass recurve) onto the Paralympic team (oh did I forget to mention a new challenge). With limited funds, I needed to strategize my purchases. So first up was arrows. I won’t be shy to mention it’s been a long standing joke that I have “monkey arms” (less than a hand length from touching my knees without bending). Purely pragmatic because only six of the teams’ arrows stay on the rest at an anchor point that comes to my face and it sucks not to be able to fire a full set because one of the introductory archers grabbed the wrong arrow. Second, round I bought most of the non-bow accessories (arm guard, tab, glove, & a new set of points to experiment with changing FOC from 10-12.5%). I only finally got to purchase my first bow today (Galaxy Crescent, #28 bronze limbs), and I have to wait to afford the plunger and sight. I want to go back to those 2nd round purchases in just a moment. NUSensei, you were mentioning “instinctive shooting”. I come from doing Firearm marksmanship. I’m used to taking my time and relaxing down to my aim (Set, exhale, rhythm, feel the float, fire with the float). While making those 2nd round purchases (and being grateful a friend contributed $50), I asked the salesman what else I most critically needed now (knowing I don’t have a bow) to which he replied clicker. I wasn’t expecting that since he knew I was trying to save for a bow still. I told him for now, I’ll have to leave that as something to borrow from the team, but I wanted more information on how it was used properly since I had researched what it was, but not seen instructions. 📝: the Salesman is a lifelong archer and son of an Olympic Gold Medalist. It seems clickers can be a few introductions videos in themselves. I started thinking the arrow was almost completely drawn then the archer got close to their X, drew a bit more for the clicker to fall off and signal proper draw length (anchor verified), final aim was confirmed, and released. What got described to me was that the archer would use a slower draw, WHILE timing their aim toward the center and the clicker snapping to signal them to release the arrow just prior to passing through the X. Okay, maybe this should only be called semi-instinctual, but I was clearly warned never to stop drawing before releasing. 🤯 I left considering giving up archery because there is a very real chance that some of my medical issues interfere with producing a smooth form. I struggle to keep a consistent form, and great at putting my bow down if it’s not right, but trying to choreograph that into a smooth dance is too much to ask. I don’t want to waste my teammates time and resources taking up a spot on their Paralympic team if I’m not going to be able to plausibly train for an actual Paralympic game. I can move aside to a lower competitive level appropriate to my limitations. Thanks for any advice or input, NUSensei
As a competitive shooter first, hunter 2nd, and keeping in mind I face physical and neurological health issues, should I take his advice that I need to learn to be an instinct shooter to become a Olympic goaled competitor? or just accept that I may only be best in club or amateur competitions, keep it recreational?
You don't need to learn instinctive shooting to compete at Olympic or Paralympic level. Instinctive shooting is an entirely different style and doesn't promote growth in other styles. As for whether you want to compete at higher levels, that's entirely up to what you think you reasonably commit to. Success doesn't come without sacrifice, and for archer, that means hours each day training. Any less, and you won't make the cut. If that is your goal, do it. If it isn't what gives you the excitement for archery, don't. Do what you're comfortable with and enjoy.
I'm 73 years old yet only a new archer. I bought myself a Samick Sage 68 inch 50 pound draw recurve only 5 weeks ago. Yeah, sure, had I have watched your video's prior to buying the bow I would have gone for a lesser draw weight (I took advice from the wrong video). But when I bought the bow I had no idea that I would quickly become addicted to firing off arrows. Being quite large and still fit and strong, I am now, after a month, quite comfortable with the 50 pound draw. Still, I'll probably soon buy a new bow with a lower draw weight. This surely will not be the last bow I buy. Anyhow, I was quite interested in your comments about instinctive shooting and how it's so relaxing. For me, that's perhaps the basis to my new addiction. I live in a semi-forested block of land in rural Victoria (between Nagambie and Rushworth), and I wander through the trees shooting at various targets (though never live ones; I have a great distaste for killing things). I have been quite amazed at my 'instinctive' level of accuracy and can only put it down to the fact that when I was a kid in England I always had homemade bows (or maybe it's my Welsh heritage). But what I most relate to in this tutorial is the thing you say about instinctive shooting being relaxing and theraputic. The thing is that I don't fully care at this stage whether I hit a 'bullseye' or not. As long as my arrows hit the basic target and I don't have to go looking for them I am happy. The accuracy skill will develop in its own time. I honestly had never expected that I would find archery so enjoyable, and I previously had no idea how much there is to learn (and I love to learn new things).So thank you for your brilliant tutorials.
I do appreciate the English Longbow, because it proved to be easily as effective as the early versions of muskets (in comparison, shortbows proved less efficient), when considering stopping power, of course. Bows will be more stealthy, and had a much higher rate of fire. Also, I appreciate the simplicity; it is, indeed, just a crafted stick and a string. But it can (in the right hands, of course) fling arrows consistently over distance and deliver them on target...
When I started archery, my final aim was shooting traditional bows - I felt pretty disappointed when my coach gave me a school bow and taught me modern barebow shooting. So, I was definitely a member of the "traditional bows are cool/modern ones are meh" group. Now that I have had the opportunity to actually try and appreciate modern style, I'm taking into consideration the idea of buying olympic equipment. You are totally right, it's important to be open-minded! Without the aid of my coach, I would have never discovered this wonderful part of archery world. Thank you for this video! You are always able to share facts and personal opinions in such a clear and respectful way.
I think the most underestimated attribute of modern bows is consistency. A traditional wooden bow will change over time and can be slightly different day by day. Sure very high end modern reproductions with top notch laquier and material quality probably have negligible changes, but people don't tend to spend that much on traditional bows.
This may be due to the fact that, at least for what I've seen in my personal experience, many people who choose traditional bows tend to shoot only for fun and not with a regular training pattern. It's not bad, of course, but in that case I can understand that they prefer to stay on a lower budget. On the other hand, if one wants to train regularly and also to take part in competitions, modern bows may be a better choice since consistency is a fundamental attribute. Thank you for your reply, by the way :)
Idk I've recently taken up archery. Started with modern because of the ease of entry and to learn the basics. But I'm still jazzed to switch to more traditional. I want to be accurate but I'm not fussed about hitting bull's-eye over and over.
I would rather have my arrows in a tight grouping, wherever I want on the target not necessarily the bullseye. Our target's center is not there anymore.
Getting three bullson a single target at 27kph on the back of a horse has been my biggest rush across 5 disciplines. There's not many haters out there of others amongst them. Most appreciate the rush individual achievement and varied skills required. Any haters.. you control 500 kilos of free thought freehanded and doing 25-35 Kilometers an hour, not looking to knock your arrow and bullseye then feel free to comment. Great vid.
I am a traditional archer who uses a stick and a string and have had lots of people call me “cool” because I don’t use all the latest gizmos. Speed shooting is freakin cool because it is very hard to do well and very few people do it well. Higher poundage is freakin cool because it is harder to do than with a puny 30# bow. It is also much more useful if you want to hunt with your bow. Instinctive shooting is freakin cool because it is basically an art form. It takes dedication, skill, and patience. It is much more satisfying than a compound bow or a modern recurve with sights, rests and weights. Ok, you got me on the longbow. Recurves are just better. I hate anything on my fingers when I’m shooting. Calluses. Have you heard of them? Back-quivers are overrated.
I fully agree. It is more fun to hit closer to target center, even at a slower pace. That's why I have gone to the hybrid compound, the "SAS" seige 55# bow. With minimum practice I have increased accuracy by approx 20%.
This is a very true video. I started with a Samick Sage because I wanted a "traditional" bow that could later be upgraded to higher draw weights, have sights, a whisker biscuit, stabilizer, etc., but it was mostly the notion of being traditional. Now that I can consistently place arrows in a 6" group at 50m with 61# over-draw, I want to tighten the group. That's where sights come in. Even that said, I'm now wanting to nail the 90m target without just doing a Hail Marry shot (if you're an instinctual shooter, 90m is absolutely a Hail Marry) that has about a 1m grouping (really lousy grouping, often a complete miss). Since I want tight groups at 90m, and to start diving into high tech archery, I just got my first crossbow, which is the CenterPoint Gladiator 405 Whisper. It's a 200# compound hunting crossbow (50% let-off, so 100# cocking effort) with a 4x32mm illuminated 6 dot scope, with insanely high velocity (405f/s, or 123.44m/s). The high velocity is what I wanted, so that it could be aimed more like a rifle, but still have that feel you get from arrow ballistics, not to mention it's almost dead silent, and cheaper to own/operate than a rifle. I'll likely get a compound at some point, but I actually really enjoy making my own bow designs. What better way to learn a weapon's mechanics than to try to recreate one of your own? Having done so, let me just say I have a lot more appreciation for the bow designs people submit to The Primitive Archer magazine than I did before I started making my own bows. Seriously, there's a lot of science and engineering in even that "stick" bow you have. I still haven't made a good arrow yet, which is way harder to make than a good bow.
I'm a traditional archer myself and I do find it more enjoyable than a modern recurve (even when shooting barebow) I can't see myself shooting olympic style recurve but I understand why people would enjoy it and i even like watching it myself but in the end it's just personal preference.
I personally think it's the difference between a philosopher's viewpoint vs a scientist's viewpoint. As far as the compound or Olympics archery style is I must hit the bullseye from 90m vs the wouldn't it be cool to hit the target at 90m
Traditional bow just looks much better and more elegant which is really important for relax shooting. Modern sport bows are really ugly. You can shoot with that, but it's ugly so you know....
I enjoy your content, thanks. I enjoy instinctive shooting because of the commonly perceived traits you mention (the true ones as opposed to it meaning "more skilled") but also because I found that, once I did get back into archery since childhood, I found I much more readily scored higher (right out of the gate), relative to opponents, in instinctive or barebow, than when using sights, various sighting methods, or clickers. Not only do people say "look at all that junk all over the olympic bow", but applying all of it and using those techniques put me from the top 1/4 of intermediates to routinely below that, with the same amount of (adult) effort and time put into training for each. I chalk it up to having developed instinctive skills as a kid during two formative stages of my life. And this gels well, also, with how much I love Korean Traditional Bows. I just need to decide if I'm going to man up and shoot them is true Asiatic style (even explore the torque thing) or keep shooting KTB's Western-style, which the left-shelfed Kaya Khan did prove works as nicely as my standard trad bows at a fraction of the size and weight. I'm sure if I learn proper Korean technique it will impress me.
My favorite moment was at a national tournament when my arrow collided with the arrow next to me. Thankfully, my bow was stronger and more stable and I nicked the others arrow into a 9 over a 10 and won the round.
bored of hitting the bulls eye? take up free range field archery .I bought my present bow,(Indian Archery Bighorn#50)in the 70's when i was in my late teens. I had ideas for bow hunting(never happened) This idea meant i had to have a MINIMUM 50lb bow to hunt. Geez it was hard. I grew used to it, Became an instinctive archer because i could NOT hold the bow at full draw for more than a few seconds. Taday? i'm in my mid 60's and still use that bow today. I am a traditional bare bow archer who learned to shoot by instinctively. I have made my own long bow too.
the bullseye one. I used to think it was crazy but after about 6 months of shooting I can hit only bullseyes, so even after going for further distance and still hitting, I tried something different. I started making my own targets, and spreading them out, so when I hit one bullseye that targets locked out and I have to switch to another, or I put dots on the outside edges of my targets and try to pin all 4 corners, or some targets have no bullseyes at all, I do these ones that are multi-colored dots (like that game twister) and I call out a color and am only allowed to hit that color, so then I try to clear them all going from right to left, top to bottom. I find it actually adds difficulty switching between targets rather than aiming at one spot all day.
I hear you. Hitting a different target every time is a much more practical skill than shooting at the same target with all the arrows. Historically and practically the first arrow is what counts. You don't get a second arrow after a miss when hunting, or in combat back in the days, your target wouldn't stantdstill and let you take multiple shots. What I would like to see in a competition is where you don't know the distance or absolute direction before hand, but instead get spread out popup targets where you have a limited time to shoot. This form would show who is actually the best archer.
You mean like on Nusensai's video on buying your 1st bow I stupidity bragged about my homemade pvc bow? So glad (thanks to his video's) that I saved up and bought a real bow.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain all these different things about archery. I find your videos very informative, not only from a technical point of view, but also the mindset. I’m thinking of getting into archery and this helps me tremendously in making informed decisions about all the different aspects of this sport.
Just a point at 13:00 It was Welsh archers who mostly killed the Frenchies with the Longbow at Creche and Agincourt :P Edit: Oh, you did give us a shout out straight after, my bad
English mostly. 4/6 of them were English archers at Crecy. After the Welsh rebellion, the welsh were not really welcome in the army. So even less welsh bowmen at Agincourt.
Actually not many were killed during the battle of Agincourt. Most French knights were wounded or captured. Even with the impressive power of the bows they still couldn't pierce through plate.
Bah, the English didn't steal the longbow from the Welsh, at least not anymore than they stole it from the Norse. Pretty much everyone around northern and western Europe had been using yew and elm self bows of about 6 feet in length from long before the Medieval period. What the English did was build their culture around it, and treat their bowmen and billmen as useful assets in battle (unlike the French, who considered peasants almost useless in battle, sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy). It was a very defensive form of warfare, involving establishing a line and holding it, but worked quite well with dismounted men-at-arms, stakes in front of the archers, and an enemy who preferentially attacked noblemen over peasants. Certain other cultures did similar things with horse archery, and experienced comparable success in many cases (the Mongols being the most well known and successful example of this).
Happy to hear you mention about the welsh getting triggered when people talk about "The English Longbow" . I am a welsh archer and history buff who has been triggered about this subject for years ! lol Another subject that gets us triggered is the V sign with the 2 fingers which is written in history to originate at the battle of Agincourt where the English archers flashed their draw fingers in defiance to the French whereas us Welsh believe the origins of the story to come from King Edward 1 invasion and occupation of Wales in the 13th century where he built huge castles and subjected the welsh to his will, Edward "Longshanks" did not fear the Welsh tribes at all but he did fear our prowess with a bow so It was made law that every man and boy should turn up at the local castle or chapel for archery practice every Sunday without fail . This was done to size up the men and their skills before marching them to war against the Scots . Any rebels who failed to attend, fought back or resisted were not murdered but made an example of instead by cutting of the mans draw fingers off as an example to others and taking away his ability to hunt,feed and protect his family so the flashing of the V became the standard amongst Welsh rebels in defiance to the English as a taunt . But you know what they say ........history was written by the victors . .
I have a counterpoint, I don't think ancient and medieval archers would necessarily choose newer bows over old. Military men are innately conservative and prefer to stick to the tried and true. Swapping a Longbow that has seen them through a campaign where they genuinely feared for their life, for an equivalent ability modern bow would likely be seen as pointlessly disadvantaging yourself with a new technology to learn before heading back into the same conditions the longbow you have used since you were a boy has seen you through. One real life example to back this up is the attitude of many British NCOs in WW2, who often preferred to stick with their Lee Enfield Rifle over the Thompson Machine Carbine or the later Sten. When your life is on the line a new weapon that hasn't been proven to be better is a big gamble.
Totally agree. I must say the sten gun was the cheapest and simplest light machine gun we invented, initially just for the French and Dutch resistance. It was also the most unreliable. For those who get bored with modern laser pointed target shooting (yawn), traditional combat archery training is more exciting. Moving and shooting from all manner of positions. Archers rarely stood still in battle conditions and had to shoot instinctively but accurately very quickly, including shooting back enemy arrows. They didn't have the luxury of perfectly weighted arrows for their bows, they used village made mass produced arrows that were issued by their leige when going to war.
he's right in some ways.. and totally wrong when it comes to the art of longbow men.. Our objective is not a bulls eye. But I can hit a man size target at 100 yards distance on a regular basis.. and thats exactly what we train to do.
on the hunting argument nusensei brought up i just want to had the caviat of darkness. if hunting at night instictive is better. just playing devil's advocate, but yeah Nu is right as usual
My favourite bow is an "Indian Archery" 50#"Bighorn" composite recurve.I bought it in my late teens,i still use it today,I'm now 64.Before that,i had a 50# sandvik Steel bow.I like traditional archery.I have also made a self bow and have started to use that too.Bow strength? my bows were always 50 pounders,because i had ideas of bow hunting.I find 45pounders more comfortable to use,anything lighter and i am hopeless. I use "instinctive" archery because i can't hold back the bow long enough to "sight".It's lift/draw aim fire.ONE movement.Compound bows leave me cold! Alluminium risers fibreglass limbs pullies and strings everywhere.Urgh,LOL i can see their use though.
Ah... Strafing or multi-firing. I only see it on games and movies (by movies, I mean a set up situations, like exhibition on youtube videos). Physics wise, it decrease the power each arrow will carry. Aiming wise, it will hard to aim precisely because usually, strafing done in parallel forms instead of all arrows grouped in the middle. With that positioning, shooting lines are harder to perceive. So in general, it is not that practical.
There is something to be said about being able to build your own bow from wood you've felled yourself. In a survival situation this can help aid in survival (assuming some kind of apocalyptic situation). And on the historic side of things, keeping older techniques alive helps preserve history. There are many ancient techniques that have been lost over time (like certain types of wrought iron) and it would be a shame if we lost even more.
Literally unironically do the stupid bowl of water thing from arrow (fill a bowl full of water, alternate hands as you slap bowl until its empty, fill, repeat.) Its stupid and you look like an idiot, but after two weeks of doing that for two hours a day, I've actually built up a lot of arm and upper body strength.
@@vivecthepoet36 so here's something funny... 2 years is a long time right and since posting this comment I've bought grip trainers, a pull up bar and other thing so noodle arms ain't a thing anymore and more importantly I've fallen out of favour with archery as I found the thing I enjoyed wasnt the archery but just talking to the people there so I just quit.
I noticed today in my target shooting session, that the quiver was missing. So if you have jeans with deep pockets, you can use your front pockets as a make-shift side quiver. No noise and compact. Have something hard and flat to increase the pressure on the arrows to prevent them from swinging around (like a 6''' smart phone).
I've done archery in the past before, and frankly just in my personal opinion, anything other than traditional seems a little pointless to me. I'm not interested in the modern technology, I'm not hunting, this isn't for survival. If it were for hunting or survival and modern technology was employed, I'd probably opt for one of my rifles instead. I'm more interested in archery for the historical appeal, this was the height of technology for most of human history, and it's fun to dabble in it. Once again, just my opinion.
This is exactly the point ^^ I think Archery should be thought of like a combat sport, speed is important and the targets should move. Hell if they can fire safe projectiles back at you that would be even cooler.
The cool thing about the modern technology is accuracy. It’s like comparing an iron sighted, sporter stock/barreled 30/06 vs a custom tactical rifle with ergonomic stock, target barrel, and tactical clear as anything optic. You can hit big targets much further away, or aim at really small targets closer in. Or put it this way. We each put $1000 on the table. 6” target 60yds away. I’ll shoot my modern compound, and you can have your historical bow. Closest to the center takes the cash. And that may be a bit dramatic an example, but the reality is that there are tournaments for archery, shot with modern gear, that pay very well if you make the podium. But the great thing is that there are some many ways to enjoy archery. You can go traditional if that’s your thing. You can shoot modern compound with sights, stabilizers, releases, etc. and anything in between.
Great vid. one thing i would like to mention in regard to the bullseye point. When it comes to hunting hitting that perfect shot on a animal doesn't loose it's magic.
There is one advantage to shoot high poundage bow. In windy condition it is less prone to wind drift. Both because it has more power and because it has to travel less curvature thus lower in the air where wind is slower than few feet higher. It has many disadvantages though. Require higher quality equipment, better form and allows less aiming time.
I am always happy when I get at least one in middle but any where on the boss is good..... It is the coming together of shot process, Body and mind... I love all bows wood or metal.. Archery is awesome..
For me since I grew up on a farm and that's where I shoot I find shooting close up and hitting the centre is ok but shooting from a distance and watching your arrows drop a little or a lot onto the target is much more gratifying.
If people want to focus on endless Olympic style archery that's fine, but personally I can't see any point in it. We evolved to shoot instinctively in hunting and combat situations, that's where archery would actually be useful. Shooting at targets close up, seems pointless to me.
Sure a fully rigged Olympic styled bow can be more consistently accurate than a trad bow and a compound will make both look stupid. But 2 points if you wants to be consistently accurate and believe in all things modern then shoot with a compound. And secondly a trad shooter isn’t competing against a Olympic recurve shooter as an olympic scooter isn’t competing against a compound shooter. We compete in our class so accuracy is relative to the class. Also poundage loosely equates to power and a better trajectory. The problem with high poundage is its hard to let loose a 100 or so arrow in a comp without getting exhausted. Lighter poundage is better for comps as you’ll have better form for longer and not get exhausted.
Dam dude, I can’t make heads or tails of this video. On one hand you are correct on all facets. On the other hand, this is a hobby, for almost everyone involved. No money to be made (only lost) , no followers to comment or gain, just a way to have fun in the backyard with your kids. A way to get outside and relax. So there could be a few tall tales, of legend and miracle shots. That’s ok with me. It’s part of the fun, a glimpse back in time in a world of screen time and hectic days. Shoot on, and have fun everyone.
I'm one of those people who love to see a fully set up olympic recurve. Proper sights, full stabilizer array, clicker, vibration dampeners, silencers, the full works. Everything and the kitchen sink. The reason why I don't get *as much* of that feeling from compound bows, is that compound usually chooses to go full steam ahead and pile on a lot more technology that might be strictly necessary. there is nothing wrong with this, it's an aesthetic that I appreciate in a different way. But what i like about how an olympic freestyle looks, is that you can be more sure that every single thing on that bow is serving a specific function that SUPPORTS the original function of the recurve, and is not "taking over the spotlight" by making it more about the technology on the bow than the bow itself. the recurve still has a say and i like that. It's so beautiful to me, because it's a seamless integration of traditional and modern technology..... in the same way that "Tek Raptors" fascinate me in "Ark: Survival Evolved", or the creatures in Horizon Zero Dawn. That seamless merge of the future and the past is something that is so elusive for us as a species. Except that the Olympic Recurve is embodying it all this time.
Splitting Arrows or as I call: Loosing 10 Euros
In my place aluminium arrow is quite cheap, it's around 60¢ or 10,000 rupiahs
UGH YES!
It rlly hurts ;c
@Spartan Duck cheap arrow= cheap quality
I did it once when I was 8
When I got my first "Robbin Hood" I thought it was cool until I realized that was $18 dollars worth of arrows ruined.
Splitting an arrow isn't a "Robin Hood" shot. Splitting an arrow in the dead center of a bullseye is a Robin Hood shot.
@@yugen any arrow split is called a Robin Hood
@@kyleswehla785 Nope. Has to be dead center of the bullseye, that's what Robin Hood did. Otherwise splitting an arrow is just called an "accident"
@@yugen that's a thick dumb head you've got there
@@yugen You do realize that a modern term based on a vague reference (hint hint) does not have to be 100% faithful to the source it's referencing, right?
I personally thought doing a 360° no visor shot was very cool. After being expelled from 6 different shooting ranges the cool factor has dropped down.
Crézy Chameau oh god did you actually do that 😂
@@B1SQ1T let's hope not, 😂
Oh my
😂🤣
That will do it
still cool: dual wielding bows
How 😂
@@D1GItAL_CVTS I couldn't stop myself from picturing this in my head lol.
2 bows for 2 hands
Potato person: whoosh
@@potatoperson1719 I'm picturing someone holding a bow in each hand, and gripping the strings of the left in the right and vice versa and pulling their arms apart to shoot to the left and right at the same time. Of course you will drop both bows when you shoot. And you will miss. But it would look funny. And if you pull them apart far enough it'll snap off your nose.
Re: Shooting speed. Wyatt Earp explained it well in regards to gunfighting: "Speed is fine but accuracy is final."
Yes, but what if two have, hypothetically, the same level of accuracy. Speed is the final decisive variable.
Which is more impressive:
You hitting a bulls eye from 100 ft every 15 seconds
You hitting a bulls eye from 100 ft every 5 seconds
The answer should be unanimous, the faster the cooler. If you can hit just as many bulls as someone else twice or three times as fast then I would say that's way cooler and advertises WAY more skill.
I don't know why people are overlooking this.
Personally, I want to be accurate AND fast. Why only concentrate on one? Why not improve on both aspects, that's how you define someone that's good.
You all seem to be a little....dumb...
Also in addition, regarding to gunfighting, if I can shoot 6 times before you shoot 1 I have a much greater chance of hitting you than you hitting me. Not to mention my spray of bullets will likely cause a decrease in your focus and you may, or may not hit me.
Speed AND accuracy are vital as you go against better and better gunfighters.
This is all just logical....
Your comparison breaks apart in integrity when you look at the assumption made: that accuracy is static and speed is the success criteria. Sure, being able to hit a target with more arrows in a shorter time frame is more impressive. Doing that on horseback even more so. The problem is that, realistically, this is seldom the case - speed normally comes at the cost of accuracy, unless you make the target easier to hit. In this case, many people overrate speed, while the ultimately objective of archery is to hit the target. Being able to do so on demand is more of a sign of archery skill than being able to shoot really quickly and turn it into a matter of probability.
In gunfighting, first shot accuracy as important as speed - you can't shoot 6 times if you die before you get your 2nd shot off. But that's beside the point - gunfighting isn't archery.
@@spin.chicken Wyatt Earp had the benefit of actually putting his theory to the test, have you? Anybody can bullshit in TH-cam comments but it would be a different matter when you are actually facing somebody in a gunfight. My guess is, your hands would be shaking so much, you'd shoot your own nose off.
Spin It Like A Chicken Lmao “just have perfect accuracy, it’s not hard”
Slow is smooth smooth is fast.
"Holding too much weight and shooting too quickly." ...Story of my life, man :(
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Favorite comment all year. Jesus man 😂
So true about robinhooding an arrow, after I got to my 3rd Robin hood I was thinking "oh good, you just ruined two perfectly good arrow you dummy"
Does it ruin both arrows? I always assumed it just damaged the back end of one that got hit, and the arrow that hit it could just be removed and reused.
Zasa Pamasawasa depends on the type of arrow, you could probably separate a wooden arrow. But I use aluminium arrows, and the penetrating arrow was so firmly lodged inside the the other arrow that both arrows were fused into one.
This depends on how the arrow impacts and how far down the shaft it has gone. The second arrow might have a cracked shaft.
Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining!
It is certainly a major pain in the butt. Especially with a compound bow, the arrow in the front is completely obliterated. Which is expensive.
Being accurate enough to split the arrow every time might seem cool, but with that level of accuracy, one could instead make their initials with their arrows, within the gold of course, which is just as much a show of accuracy and doesn't cost you arrows.
James Kindrick very cool but very expensive 🤣
James Kindrick i mean if you have a shit ton of money do as you wish
@@ollierobinson171 What? How is that more expensive than regular shooting?
@@yanagelfand4337 because arrows cost money so naturally it gets expensive if you keep splitting them and having to purchase new replacement shafts?
@@jaredflynn3750 oh, sorry, I thought you meant that you needed lots of money to shoot your initials...
One of the reasons I love teaching beginner classes is that it reminds me not to get caught up in archery culture hooplah. Just being a decent archer is pretty cool in the eyes of the general public.
Like being in a primary school and being able to count to a hundred!
Yup. Some so called "experts" just love to compare sport archery with medeival combat archery. Keep saying the old ways are better. I'm so sick of that attitude. Beginners are much easier to handle. Just fun, fun and fun.
When I hear "instinctive shooting" my mind immediately gravitates to those people who still practice traditional English war bow shooting, and look like they're tearing themselves in half to launch an arrow at 45° that travels like, 200 yards and still manages to land in a target that they don't even look like they're pointed at. I mean... That still seems pretty cool.
When I think of instinctive shooting I think of someone like Ron LaClair or Byron Ferguson shooting an aspirin out of the air. There's no context in which that isn't cool, and to say otherwise comes off as dishonest imo.
@@Sardonic_sardine they were called Welsh War Bows.... look it up. The video even says the English copied their longbow from the Welsh war bow. They used to hire Welsh archers for campaigns.
@@Sardonic_sardine haha happens to us all. Got me all up on my Welsh high horse about longbows 😅 have a great day dude! 👍
I don't even care about archery, I haven't even shot a bow since I was young....but I'm still watching these videos...This guy is a great speaker.
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Yeah
Get into it!
Mofire I do archery but I agree with you that he has great content
Sounds like someone has a crush
that bent collar stresses me out...
Fuk u, now i cant unsee it
Damnit I can't unsee that now
Yep, it's like an ear worm. Just won't go away!
God damn it!
why did u have to do that
I have to disagree with you on ancient bows... They will always be cool. Yeah, if ancient archers could get their hands on modern bows, they would definitely chose a modern bow over their own. But ancient people didn't have the technology that we have. Horn, wood, sinew... Those simple materials were enough to make something powerful and that will always be cool.
As I said in the video, the original "cool" factor doesn't change. However, the "old" ways tend to be overrated by observers. Modern bows are better in nearly every way.
Because using a firearm is not the same thing as using a bow.
Nate Windwood that's like saying why don't sports shooters use flintlock pistols very different beasts
gethren1
Good point! Or why don't sport fencers use real rapiers, sabres, or smallswords... or even sparring versions of those weapons?
Even many firearms shooting sports use firearms that are very different from modern combat firearms.
I'll admit that sport fencing has lost it's martial value. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't have any value. Even Matt Easton would still encourage people who want to learn swordsmanship, but don't have access to a HEMA or HMA club, to learn sport fencing as a precursor to Historical fencing.
"The only true fencing is HEMA."
I take issue with this. In fact, I'm pretty fucking sure that Tuareg martial arts provide far better martial value than HEMA. You know why? Because the Tuaregs still fight with swords to this day! Also, there are certain schools within FMA (mostly in eskrima but it also depends on the guro) that endeavour to teach historical fencing. I'm sure that there are other, non-European martial arts that value martial fencing and swordsmanship.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that it doesn't have value *(that's just like, your opinion man).* Admittedly, I don't really like sport fencing but I have to acknowledge that it has its value.
Martial value isn't everything. We live in peaceful times. Learning to fight, maim, and kill is no longer important. The better angels of our nature have won to some tangible extent, and I for one hope that they continue to win.
One more thing. Archery is ancient. Some theories suggest that archery was an important factor that contributed to the survival of humans during the later parts of the Quaternary Extinction Event. Humans could hunt smaller prey, other predators could not. Point is, we have reason to believe that archery is pretty fucking old. Not only that, it survives and continues to evolve. Apart from sewing, spear throwing, painting, sculpting and a few other things, it's one of the oldest memes that are still evolving in some way. I wouldn't hold my breath for spear throwing. Olympic javelin has started to plateau and even if atlatl becomes more popular, the limits of that technology are pretty tangible even at this moment. But archery still has so much potential. Sure you can invent many ways to stitch and embroider things for centuries, or even millenia to come, but I bet that it's never going to be as exciting as archery.
so.. splitting arrows with a longbow at the olympics wearing a glove while speedshooting from a back quiver is the COOLEST THING EVAAH!?
Lasyltherni obviously! at least 240
and the arrows are ones found on the ground after being shot by your enemy/
the ones broken in half. and you stick them back together with your nasal discharge and nock them in one swift'n smooth move while making a serious face that puts orlando bloom to shame.
Can't use a longbow at the Olympics, only recurve bows. You might be able to find a Golden Eagle Shakespeare on Ebay, they killed it in the Olympics in the 60's and 70's.
On horseback!
These videos are so correct and properly worded. I learn a lot from them as a novice hobby shooter. Meanwhile I enjoy them a lot, as a psychiatrist, as a “man of science”:) Very correct, describes the bigger picture, offers perspectives, whithout judgement and unnecessary emotional content and distorsion. This video can be used as a general example for describing something complex correctly, taking into account the human nature, the psychological laws working in the background. You teach and embody much more, than shooting skills.
Compound bow is better for hunting sure but in a real 'world going to poo' survival situation repairing and maintaining a compound bow will be much more difficult. A take-down recurve bow would be a better bet in my opinion.
Aside from that I think the modern stuff is very cool but I cant feel like a badass Robin Hood with something like that in my hands.
i agree but would you really need a bow in that situation or would a gun or knife be better?
edit: i just realized that that means between the two bows
It's a good idea to have a bow along side of a gun if remaining unnoticed is essential. Also, reusing bow ammunition is easier than reloading cases in a bug-out scenario
@@johnomacian5586 Way easier to make arrows than bullets, it's relatively easy to make bows and arrows from found materials (I literally shoot with a 40lb bow made with PVC pipe, fiberglass rods and poly cord), and bows are much quieter. But modern guns are 10x more effective and much easier to be accurate with, especially at longer distances. Honestly you would want both in a end of the world sort of bug out scenario.
Snes Guy i agree.
@@johnomacian5586 A job for every tool. There's several modern, real world military units that train with recurve bows. Sometimes the most effective or desirable weapon for a given scenario is not the most practical or easy to maintain.
I agree with every point, except on back quivers. A proper made back quiver makes no noise and the arrows don't fall out.
It also makes for easier rapid fire without needing to hold multiple arrows in your hand. I'm trying to figure out if there is a sort of slight of hand technique that could still have the advantages of the reverse hand grip and right side position of the bow while still using the modernized left side of the bow. I like this because it is both a challenge and one could master doing accuracy and speed. As for survival techniques practice rigging up homemade bows and shooting them if that's your thing. What needs to be understood here is that these skillsets can transfer over into other things that you do. Things like card tricks, seeing long distance etc. There are advantages to doing more than just one thing in your life besides archery. Archery is cool to me precisely because it is harder and it provides skills that can transfer over to playing the guitar and improving / healing your eyesight by focusing on the target at a long distance without useing your glasses.
Indeed but for hunting you make brusk moves using a back quiver ,a good quiver is a side quiver ! imgur.com/Rv4xjOR Kwai Peter O. Stecher , target shooter :D
Since you brought it up, here is a Russian video on speed shooting using a back quiver, traditional bow, and arrow on the left, but with a unique draw. It's pretty neat: th-cam.com/video/1o9RGnujlkI/w-d-xo.html
I made mine from a old set of pants
longbow archers use a back quiver all the time, picture 100 fuckin pound longbow getting caught up while running....
As an older man whom is seriously considering archery, traditional archery is fascinating to me. But I must say for myself I am leaning towards a modern recurve or takedown bow to start with.
Thanks for your time and information.
I'll still romanticise my english longbow and instinctive/traditional shooting for it's simplicity and connection to my culture. but yeah, its nowhere near as effextive as modern equipment and tactics.
Lame things about archery (that aren't that lame): bucket hats and chest guards
Michael Johansen agreed
Peak caps are also awsome, as long as the sun is behind you and you don't mind kentucky fried ears.
Michael Johansen
Idk what those are lol... I do archery at school. We don’t wear any sort of protection. Only like 2 kids wear arm guards cause they really need it.
Michael Johansen my wife needs a chest guard that looks like a part of Richard 1st armour , with a pair of jugs like hers not wearing one would rip half her tit off !!!!
mechanical release's.. 5 foot long balancing rods.. people who cant hit the broadside of a barn without sights on they're bow.....
People tend to forget that the English Warbow was designed to be fired in massed volleys at large groups of targets and at faily long ranges. Accuracy was important, but it was a different kind of accuracy. The goal was to get an arrow into a fairly large area, say a 1.5m circle, where it would be bound to hit someone since you were firing at massed troops. These weren't flat trajectory shots, rather the arrow would strike the target from above. This type of shooting is still practiced in modern day Clout archery where arrows are scored based on how close they land in the ground to a target flag. Archers of the day used much lighter bows for hunting, where individual arrow placement was more important, generally 45-60# draws, the same as modern hunters. As for why the English longbow dominated the battlefield rather than the more technologically advanced crossbow...As the video explains, this has more to do with the English (or Welsh!) bowmen than it did with the bow itself. England could simply generate more trained archers at lower cost due to a deliberate cultural and economic base. The French produced better heavy cavalry than the English, due to their own cultural biases, unfortunately for them, Cavalry has always had certain weaknesses which the English were well placed to take advantage of. English Knights were much more willing to fight on foot than French knights, and this enabled them to work closely with archers in an early form of combined arms doctrine. The French would send crossbowmen ahead to 'soften' the English up, but then they just wanted a good old fashion cavalry charge...It was more a matter of tactics than technology.
What was the ranges and poundages per the longbows?
Then the english lost the war
Heavy cavarly was ALWAYS better to have than bowman or foot soldiers. Yes soldiers not knights. Knights were only using horses. What kind of a nobleman you are if you are not on your horse?
The English War Bows would hardly ever penetrate plate armor. They did penetrate mail and horses quite well though. Archers were used against cavalry to stop the momentum of the charge so that the billmen could close with the enemy more safely.
I'd be interested to get a source on the thing around arrows being fired in volley. Most depictions and texts I've seen show archers shooting flat not towards the sky. Additionally texts talk about archers aiming at a target.
Keep in mind every arrow you fire has to be hand made and paid for. Additionally archers can only shoot a limited number at 180lbs before they tire so wasting tons in volley is not well thought out.
I started archery as a recurve archer and I lived and breathed it, despite having target panic from the start. After some time however, I got horrendously caught up in numbers and pbs and my coaches put more and more pressure on me to the point my already bad target panic became unbearable and I just snapped - I couldn’t do it anymore. I’d be standing facing the target, something that used to bring me joy, had reduced me to a shaking mess on the verge of tears and most of the time I’d end up crying in the clubhouse because I was so terrified of even hitting one 8 or 7. I’ve now moved to barebow and I entirely shoot instinctively and it’s the best thing I could’ve ever done. My love for archery has come back - I just hope one day I can get over my target panic and try recurve again, so I can see the appeal in instinctive shooting completely :)
What an awful coach! It is about progress not perfection. Every arrow that doesn't hit gets you closer to your goal of intuitive archery because you can adapt and it will happen less frequently.
Before I go out and shoot, or do some training with my pups I spend some time meditating on what I'll be working on that session. I learned to do this when I was training horses. It worked so well I expanded it into my daily life,which really improved, I deal with anxiety and PTSD from child abuse. EFT, Emotional Freedom Tapping also does wonders for anxiety and PTSD. I hope your doing better now. And just remember, relax, breath and enjoy
So dramatic over nothing lmfao
@@AverageAlien and you're being very rude for no reason.
@@AverageAlien Women
"Arrows cost money" EXACTLY! Or in my case it means I need to make a new arrow, I HATE ruining a well made arrow. I've reduced the number of arrows I shoot to 4 at a time so I don't destroy them as much.
NUSensei always puts forward a well argued and logical view on archery and, as a relatively new archer, I have gained much insight from these videos. Thanks and keep posting them.
Thank you, I'm just getting into archery as I find it is a lot of fun and satisfying to see target hit.
The same idea of desensitise goes to everything, I ride motorbike a lots and find it normal for bikes to just stand up on its own without rider input, you only need input when you are turning or changing direction, it became instinct to just hold the bars, not grabbing it.
I really like your down to earth attitude and myth busting. Elitism is so boring but so pervasive in people.
There's one objective advantage to shooting instinctive with a traditional bow and that is the price. I've only been shooting for a year but I wouldn't have been able to afford a modern recurve with a sight and stabilizers. So I would say that the very least it's a good style/class to get more people into archery as those with limited funds can also get started.
While I wouldn't begrudge anyone who does the setup for sights and stuff it just never appealed to me. I'm not trying to get super accurate I just want to shoot a bow. Using compound, adding sights, stabilizers, and button release all feel more like using a gun or something which just never was a draw for me.
Definitely see why people do for accuracy and if I was hunting I absolutely would. But that's very unlikely.
I am a longbow archer at my local club. We're 3 bare/longbow archers in a larger group of people who use modern bows. It's just always cute to see them asking if they could shoot with our equipment for a few arrows. Same goes vice versa. Sometimes we ask them if we could shoot with their equipment when they got a cool new gadget. It's a really nice feel to hold a more designed for precision bow and take a shot or two with it :D
Oh I can relate to that. While I'm not in a club I often go to 3d Parcours with friends who have modern recurve bows from high tech materials worth $ 1000++ with weights and dampeners and feth knows what while I'm just standing there with a long wooden stick... 🤣
And nothing is more satisfying than hitting better than them while doing "everything wrong" because "you don't shoot like that!" 🤣🤣
I just got my first Quiver in the mail today it is a back Quiver and I love it! I am living my inner Katniss Everdeen thank you very much. also I love most of your videos.
Absolutely nothing wrong with back quivers. If they're good enough for Byron Ferguson, Howard Hill, Ron LaClair, or Fred Bear, they're good enough for me. And yes they are cool :)
"But in the end, the English longbow is a stick and a string." :-D
On top of being insanely informative, every vid has at least one line that's utterly hilarious. Best archery content on TH-cam!
This may be the best video about archery I've ever watched. Thank you!
I do really like his videos. Very informative and easy to listen to👍
I've only been doing archery for a few weeks and I love it so much. I also found this channel recently and now im basically addicted to archery. Love your channel
Thank you for all the hard work you put into your videos, you have taught me so much.
My bow making teachers, teacher Mike Berryhill when he got older in his years made himself a 14lb Osage bow with appropriately spinned arrows. He could still hit 90 yard corn stalk shoot targets. When he was younger he took his now and a single arrow and fired it repeatedly through a banner eyelet because some boasters were bashing inaccuracy of traditional archery.
I do instinctive shooting because its the cheapest and i'm poor af
Ambitious Idiot word
It’s not about the money, it’s about doing it, and enjoying it. There are so many styles, forms. It’s a big range and everyone is welcome.
One of the best editorials I've seen in a long time. I don't agree with all comments, but many good points and good perspective on how we see things differently as we get more knowledgeable. Thanks.
I lol'ed way to hard at "WOOD IS GOOD!"
Made me quiver
@@johannielsen8197 I love this comment
Cracking video, for someone who is just about to buy an AFB to begin their archery journey it made me smile, regardless of what a bow is made off to me the fun will be learning to use it, it is all that counts.
Loved this. Guilty, I love the idea of being able to use ancient skills:)
Primitive Archery is NOT "better". That said, it is a different discipline, that simply appeals more to some people. For some of us. making our own bows and arrows are massively gratifying. Do I disdain the modern archer? Only when the modern archer tries to claim it was the epitome of their skill, instead of the many mechanical advantages given.
The simple fact is, for hunting, for instance, a composite bow, with sights, mechanical release, etc, are simply EASIER to use. That does not mean that an archer using one cannot be immensely skilled. But there is a different mentality between almost ANY augmented vs unaugmented. I don't see the purpose of using a modern bow or inline blackpowder rifle. To me it is the historicity of a flint lock, or my compound bow, I simply feel a much higher sense of satisfaction to mastering them, then I do using their modern analogs... as TBH, if I want to maximize my efficacy... why would I use anything other than a modern, self-loading, scoped rifle?
After all, that is the ULTIMATE destination of the "use technology to maximize your efficacy" IF we are being honest. Simply using a Bow or Black Powder rifle of any sort, at the end of the day, is about sentiment and romanticizing an obsolete discipline.
That said, do I take issue with practitioners of these other disciplines? Not at all. Simply be honest (whether a primitive, traditional, Instinctive or modern target or hunting archer, or firearm user) about what it means.
killerpeaches7 When someone with a recurve and someone with a compound shoot together, and achieve similar levels of success, you can immediately tell who’s more skilled.
The problem is some so called "expert" keep comparing modern sport archery with medieval combat archery. So frustrating.
In the future people with automatet aiming mechanisms in their weapons will tell everyone else that they just want to be cool by not choosing the most efficient tool available while sitting back and eating nachos.
Started with gap shooting, moved onto compound. Enjoy both. At the end of the day, how you get your zen, and form is up to you, and who cares, as long as you enjoy. I would love one day to try the Japanese form, just for a day even. Mounted archery isn’t for the size of me, I wouldn’t want to inflict that on any horse. Came late to the game, but love the mental escape it brings. Especially now.
I’m an English Canadian, so brought up with a love of longbows, and two fingers to the French. Live in the Rockies, where compound is king, but archery is practised more, in most forms.
Great vid. ‘Wood is Good’ could be a t-shirt!
A few months ago, I was invited from the introductory archery class (well, a couple decades since I used a fiberglass recurve) onto the Paralympic team (oh did I forget to mention a new challenge).
With limited funds, I needed to strategize my purchases. So first up was arrows. I won’t be shy to mention it’s been a long standing joke that I have “monkey arms” (less than a hand length from touching my knees without bending). Purely pragmatic because only six of the teams’ arrows stay on the rest at an anchor point that comes to my face and it sucks not to be able to fire a full set because one of the introductory archers grabbed the wrong arrow. Second, round I bought most of the non-bow accessories (arm guard, tab, glove, & a new set of points to experiment with changing FOC from 10-12.5%). I only finally got to purchase my first bow today (Galaxy Crescent, #28 bronze limbs), and I have to wait to afford the plunger and sight. I want to go back to those 2nd round purchases in just a moment.
NUSensei, you were mentioning “instinctive shooting”. I come from doing Firearm marksmanship. I’m used to taking my time and relaxing down to my aim (Set, exhale, rhythm, feel the float, fire with the float). While making those 2nd round purchases (and being grateful a friend contributed $50), I asked the salesman what else I most critically needed now (knowing I don’t have a bow) to which he replied clicker. I wasn’t expecting that since he knew I was trying to save for a bow still. I told him for now, I’ll have to leave that as something to borrow from the team, but I wanted more information on how it was used properly since I had researched what it was, but not seen instructions.
📝: the Salesman is a lifelong archer and son of an Olympic Gold Medalist.
It seems clickers can be a few introductions videos in themselves. I started thinking the arrow was almost completely drawn then the archer got close to their X, drew a bit more for the clicker to fall off and signal proper draw length (anchor verified), final aim was confirmed, and released. What got described to me was that the archer would use a slower draw, WHILE timing their aim toward the center and the clicker snapping to signal them to release the arrow just prior to passing through the X. Okay, maybe this should only be called semi-instinctual, but I was clearly warned never to stop drawing before releasing. 🤯
I left considering giving up archery because there is a very real chance that some of my medical issues interfere with producing a smooth form. I struggle to keep a consistent form, and great at putting my bow down if it’s not right, but trying to choreograph that into a smooth dance is too much to ask.
I don’t want to waste my teammates time and resources taking up a spot on their Paralympic team if I’m not going to be able to plausibly train for an actual Paralympic game. I can move aside to a lower competitive level appropriate to my limitations.
Thanks for any advice or input, NUSensei
Just to clarify: what are you seeking advice on?
As a competitive shooter first, hunter 2nd, and keeping in mind I face physical and neurological health issues, should I take his advice that I need to learn to be an instinct shooter to become a Olympic goaled competitor? or just accept that I may only be best in club or amateur competitions, keep it recreational?
You don't need to learn instinctive shooting to compete at Olympic or Paralympic level. Instinctive shooting is an entirely different style and doesn't promote growth in other styles. As for whether you want to compete at higher levels, that's entirely up to what you think you reasonably commit to. Success doesn't come without sacrifice, and for archer, that means hours each day training. Any less, and you won't make the cut. If that is your goal, do it. If it isn't what gives you the excitement for archery, don't. Do what you're comfortable with and enjoy.
Love archery so much, I made an indoor range out of part of my basement. ️💪👀️🏹️🎯
Cool!
I'm 73 years old yet only a new archer. I bought myself a Samick Sage 68 inch 50 pound draw recurve only 5 weeks ago. Yeah, sure, had I have watched your video's prior to buying the bow I would have gone for a lesser draw weight (I took advice from the wrong video). But when I bought the bow I had no idea that I would quickly become addicted to firing off arrows. Being quite large and still fit and strong, I am now, after a month, quite comfortable with the 50 pound draw. Still, I'll probably soon buy a new bow with a lower draw weight. This surely will not be the last bow I buy. Anyhow, I was quite interested in your comments about instinctive shooting and how it's so relaxing. For me, that's perhaps the basis to my new addiction. I live in a semi-forested block of land in rural Victoria (between Nagambie and Rushworth), and I wander through the trees shooting at various targets (though never live ones; I have a great distaste for killing things). I have been quite amazed at my 'instinctive' level of accuracy and can only put it down to the fact that when I was a kid in England I always had homemade bows (or maybe it's my Welsh heritage). But what I most relate to in this tutorial is the thing you say about instinctive shooting being relaxing and theraputic. The thing is that I don't fully care at this stage whether I hit a 'bullseye' or not. As long as my arrows hit the basic target and I don't have to go looking for them I am happy. The accuracy skill will develop in its own time. I honestly had never expected that I would find archery so enjoyable, and I previously had no idea how much there is to learn (and I love to learn new things).So thank you for your brilliant tutorials.
I do appreciate the English Longbow, because it proved to be easily as effective as the early versions of muskets (in comparison, shortbows proved less efficient), when considering stopping power, of course. Bows will be more stealthy, and had a much higher rate of fire.
Also, I appreciate the simplicity; it is, indeed, just a crafted stick and a string. But it can (in the right hands, of course) fling arrows consistently over distance and deliver them on target...
When I started archery, my final aim was shooting traditional bows - I felt pretty disappointed when my coach gave me a school bow and taught me modern barebow shooting. So, I was definitely a member of the "traditional bows are cool/modern ones are meh" group. Now that I have had the opportunity to actually try and appreciate modern style, I'm taking into consideration the idea of buying olympic equipment. You are totally right, it's important to be open-minded! Without the aid of my coach, I would have never discovered this wonderful part of archery world. Thank you for this video! You are always able to share facts and personal opinions in such a clear and respectful way.
I think the most underestimated attribute of modern bows is consistency. A traditional wooden bow will change over time and can be slightly different day by day. Sure very high end modern reproductions with top notch laquier and material quality probably have negligible changes, but people don't tend to spend that much on traditional bows.
This may be due to the fact that, at least for what I've seen in my personal experience, many people who choose traditional bows tend to shoot only for fun and not with a regular training pattern. It's not bad, of course, but in that case I can understand that they prefer to stay on a lower budget. On the other hand, if one wants to train regularly and also to take part in competitions, modern bows may be a better choice since consistency is a fundamental attribute. Thank you for your reply, by the way :)
Idk I've recently taken up archery. Started with modern because of the ease of entry and to learn the basics. But I'm still jazzed to switch to more traditional. I want to be accurate but I'm not fussed about hitting bull's-eye over and over.
I would rather have my arrows in a tight grouping, wherever I want on the target not necessarily the bullseye. Our target's center is not there anymore.
Getting three bullson a single target at 27kph on the back of a horse has been my biggest rush across 5 disciplines. There's not many haters out there of others amongst them. Most appreciate the rush individual achievement and varied skills required.
Any haters.. you control 500 kilos of free thought freehanded and doing 25-35 Kilometers an hour, not looking to knock your arrow and bullseye then feel free to comment. Great vid.
I am a traditional archer who uses a stick and a string and have had lots of people call me “cool” because I don’t use all the latest gizmos.
Speed shooting is freakin cool because it is very hard to do well and very few people do it well.
Higher poundage is freakin cool because it is harder to do than with a puny 30# bow.
It is also much more useful if you want to hunt with your bow.
Instinctive shooting is freakin cool because it is basically an art form. It takes dedication, skill, and patience. It is much more satisfying than a compound bow or a modern recurve with sights, rests and weights.
Ok, you got me on the longbow. Recurves are just better.
I hate anything on my fingers when I’m shooting. Calluses. Have you heard of them?
Back-quivers are overrated.
I have to disagree with the quiver, my arrows don't fall when I run and it looks cool to those who know even less than me about archery
i made a olympic target style quiver out of cardboard and hot glue and lots of people think im cool.
when I first shot my recurve my fingers were bleeding, now they can go for hours
I fully agree. It is more fun to hit closer to target center, even at a slower pace. That's why I have gone to the hybrid compound, the "SAS" seige 55# bow. With minimum practice I have increased accuracy by approx 20%.
English Longbow OP pls nerf
Yeah then the devs went with the power creep option and made blackpowder.
😂🤣
Just bring mangudais o,o
Gallowglass have you evwn seen the new ops they frickin added nukes with the latest patch
This is a very true video.
I started with a Samick Sage because I wanted a "traditional" bow that could later be upgraded to higher draw weights, have sights, a whisker biscuit, stabilizer, etc., but it was mostly the notion of being traditional. Now that I can consistently place arrows in a 6" group at 50m with 61# over-draw, I want to tighten the group. That's where sights come in.
Even that said, I'm now wanting to nail the 90m target without just doing a Hail Marry shot (if you're an instinctual shooter, 90m is absolutely a Hail Marry) that has about a 1m grouping (really lousy grouping, often a complete miss). Since I want tight groups at 90m, and to start diving into high tech archery, I just got my first crossbow, which is the CenterPoint Gladiator 405 Whisper. It's a 200# compound hunting crossbow (50% let-off, so 100# cocking effort) with a 4x32mm illuminated 6 dot scope, with insanely high velocity (405f/s, or 123.44m/s). The high velocity is what I wanted, so that it could be aimed more like a rifle, but still have that feel you get from arrow ballistics, not to mention it's almost dead silent, and cheaper to own/operate than a rifle.
I'll likely get a compound at some point, but I actually really enjoy making my own bow designs. What better way to learn a weapon's mechanics than to try to recreate one of your own? Having done so, let me just say I have a lot more appreciation for the bow designs people submit to The Primitive Archer magazine than I did before I started making my own bows. Seriously, there's a lot of science and engineering in even that "stick" bow you have. I still haven't made a good arrow yet, which is way harder to make than a good bow.
I'm a traditional archer myself and I do find it more enjoyable than a modern recurve (even when shooting barebow)
I can't see myself shooting olympic style recurve but I understand why people would enjoy it and i even like watching it myself but in the end it's just personal preference.
Inefficiency can be fun
I personally think it's the difference between a philosopher's viewpoint vs a scientist's viewpoint. As far as the compound or Olympics archery style is I must hit the bullseye from 90m vs the wouldn't it be cool to hit the target at 90m
@@harveychallinor367 only inefficient if you are not skilled
Traditional bow just looks much better and more elegant which is really important for relax shooting. Modern sport bows are really ugly. You can shoot with that, but it's ugly so you know....
I've fired less than 10 arrows in my whole life, but I love this channel for well presented and interesting content!
Drawing a broadhead tipped arrow from a back quiver seems like a great way to lose an earlobe.
Makes you wonder why more fantasy elves aren't missing chunks of their ears...
@@vivecthepoet36 lol exactly
I enjoy your content, thanks. I enjoy instinctive shooting because of the commonly perceived traits you mention (the true ones as opposed to it meaning "more skilled") but also because I found that, once I did get back into archery since childhood, I found I much more readily scored higher (right out of the gate), relative to opponents, in instinctive or barebow, than when using sights, various sighting methods, or clickers. Not only do people say "look at all that junk all over the olympic bow", but applying all of it and using those techniques put me from the top 1/4 of intermediates to routinely below that, with the same amount of (adult) effort and time put into training for each. I chalk it up to having developed instinctive skills as a kid during two formative stages of my life. And this gels well, also, with how much I love Korean Traditional Bows. I just need to decide if I'm going to man up and shoot them is true Asiatic style (even explore the torque thing) or keep shooting KTB's Western-style, which the left-shelfed Kaya Khan did prove works as nicely as my standard trad bows at a fraction of the size and weight. I'm sure if I learn proper Korean technique it will impress me.
My favorite moment was at a national tournament when my arrow collided with the arrow next to me. Thankfully, my bow was stronger and more stable and I nicked the others arrow into a 9 over a 10 and won the round.
bored of hitting the bulls eye? take up free range field archery .I bought my present bow,(Indian Archery Bighorn#50)in the 70's when i was in my late teens. I had ideas for bow hunting(never happened) This idea meant i had to have a MINIMUM 50lb bow to hunt. Geez it was hard. I grew used to it, Became an instinctive archer because i could NOT hold the bow at full draw for more than a few seconds. Taday? i'm in my mid 60's and still use that bow today. I am a traditional bare bow archer who learned to shoot by instinctively. I have made my own long bow too.
the bullseye one. I used to think it was crazy but after about 6 months of shooting I can hit only bullseyes, so even after going for further distance and still hitting, I tried something different. I started making my own targets, and spreading them out, so when I hit one bullseye that targets locked out and I have to switch to another, or I put dots on the outside edges of my targets and try to pin all 4 corners, or some targets have no bullseyes at all, I do these ones that are multi-colored dots (like that game twister) and I call out a color and am only allowed to hit that color, so then I try to clear them all going from right to left, top to bottom. I find it actually adds difficulty switching between targets rather than aiming at one spot all day.
I hear you. Hitting a different target every time is a much more practical skill than shooting at the same target with all the arrows. Historically and practically the first arrow is what counts. You don't get a second arrow after a miss when hunting, or in combat back in the days, your target wouldn't stantdstill and let you take multiple shots. What I would like to see in a competition is where you don't know the distance or absolute direction before hand, but instead get spread out popup targets where you have a limited time to shoot. This form would show who is actually the best archer.
Holy shit it's Jason Bourne
One thing I like doing is shooting from a single target from different positions and stances to simulate a sustained assault
Love your work NUSensei. Just starting out and looking for that guiding hand. Do believe I’ve found it.
This is by far the most informative 🏹 youtube channel
Cool things about Nusensei's videos... (That aren't that cool)
Reading some of the comments
Northy bullseye!
You mean like on Nusensai's video on buying your 1st bow I stupidity bragged about my homemade pvc bow? So glad (thanks to his video's) that I saved up and bought a real bow.
Love listening to you. I'm new to archery. You're a very knowledgeable historian.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain all these different things about archery. I find your videos very informative, not only from a technical point of view, but also the mindset. I’m thinking of getting into archery and this helps me tremendously in making informed decisions about all the different aspects of this sport.
Love your videos. Been looking into getting into archery and your videos have helped me a lot. Can't wait to get started. Keep up the great videos.
Just a point at 13:00
It was Welsh archers who mostly killed the Frenchies with the Longbow at Creche and Agincourt :P
Edit: Oh, you did give us a shout out straight after, my bad
English mostly. 4/6 of them were English archers at Crecy.
After the Welsh rebellion, the welsh were not really welcome in the army. So even less welsh bowmen at Agincourt.
Actually not many were killed during the battle of Agincourt. Most French knights were wounded or captured. Even with the impressive power of the bows they still couldn't pierce through plate.
Bah, the English didn't steal the longbow from the Welsh, at least not anymore than they stole it from the Norse. Pretty much everyone around northern and western Europe had been using yew and elm self bows of about 6 feet in length from long before the Medieval period.
What the English did was build their culture around it, and treat their bowmen and billmen as useful assets in battle (unlike the French, who considered peasants almost useless in battle, sort of a self-fulfilling prophesy). It was a very defensive form of warfare, involving establishing a line and holding it, but worked quite well with dismounted men-at-arms, stakes in front of the archers, and an enemy who preferentially attacked noblemen over peasants.
Certain other cultures did similar things with horse archery, and experienced comparable success in many cases (the Mongols being the most well known and successful example of this).
Happy to hear you mention about the welsh getting triggered when people talk about "The English Longbow" . I am a welsh archer and history buff who has been triggered about this subject for years ! lol
Another subject that gets us triggered is the V sign with the 2 fingers which is written in history to originate at the battle of Agincourt where the English archers flashed their draw fingers in defiance to the French whereas us Welsh believe the origins of the story to come from King Edward 1 invasion and occupation of Wales in the 13th century where he built huge castles and subjected the welsh to his will,
Edward "Longshanks" did not fear the Welsh tribes at all but he did fear our prowess with a bow so It was made law that every man and boy should turn up at the local castle or chapel for archery practice every Sunday without fail . This was done to size up the men and their skills before marching them to war against the Scots . Any rebels who failed to attend, fought back or resisted were not murdered but made an example of instead by cutting of the mans draw fingers off as an example to others and taking away his ability to hunt,feed and protect his family so the flashing of the V became the standard amongst Welsh rebels in defiance to the English as a taunt .
But you know what they say ........history was written by the victors .
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Splitting my arrows the first time I freaked out because my arrows weren't that cheap lol.
Splitting an arrow isn't a "Robin Hood" shot. Splitting an arrow in the dead center of a bullseye is a Robin Hood shot.
@@yugen bruh he did not even called it a robin hood and your just going to comments trying to correct them
@@dogezilla3315 Fair enough!
I have a counterpoint, I don't think ancient and medieval archers would necessarily choose newer bows over old. Military men are innately conservative and prefer to stick to the tried and true. Swapping a Longbow that has seen them through a campaign where they genuinely feared for their life, for an equivalent ability modern bow would likely be seen as pointlessly disadvantaging yourself with a new technology to learn before heading back into the same conditions the longbow you have used since you were a boy has seen you through.
One real life example to back this up is the attitude of many British NCOs in WW2, who often preferred to stick with their Lee Enfield Rifle over the Thompson Machine Carbine or the later Sten. When your life is on the line a new weapon that hasn't been proven to be better is a big gamble.
Totally agree.
I must say the sten gun was the cheapest and simplest light machine gun we invented, initially just for the French and Dutch resistance. It was also the most unreliable.
For those who get bored with modern laser pointed target shooting (yawn), traditional combat archery training is more exciting. Moving and shooting from all manner of positions.
Archers rarely stood still in battle conditions and had to shoot instinctively but accurately very quickly, including shooting back enemy arrows.
They didn't have the luxury of perfectly weighted arrows for their bows, they used village made mass produced arrows that were issued by their leige when going to war.
he's right in some ways.. and totally wrong when it comes to the art of longbow men.. Our objective is not a bulls eye.
But I can hit a man size target at 100 yards distance on a regular basis.. and thats exactly what we train to do.
on the hunting argument nusensei brought up i just want to had the caviat of darkness. if hunting at night instictive is better. just playing devil's advocate, but yeah Nu is right as usual
Cool
My favourite bow is an "Indian Archery" 50#"Bighorn" composite recurve.I bought it in my late teens,i still use it today,I'm now 64.Before that,i had a 50# sandvik Steel bow.I like traditional archery.I have also made a self bow and have started to use that too.Bow strength? my bows were always 50 pounders,because i had ideas of bow hunting.I find 45pounders more comfortable to use,anything lighter and i am hopeless. I use "instinctive" archery because i can't hold back the bow long enough to "sight".It's lift/draw aim fire.ONE movement.Compound bows leave me cold! Alluminium risers fibreglass limbs pullies and strings everywhere.Urgh,LOL i can see their use though.
What about shooting multiple arrows at once? lol.
Is that even a thing?
theres are exhibition shooters that do it well. just search youtube
Ah... Strafing or multi-firing. I only see it on games and movies (by movies, I mean a set up situations, like exhibition on youtube videos).
Physics wise, it decrease the power each arrow will carry. Aiming wise, it will hard to aim precisely because usually, strafing done in parallel forms instead of all arrows grouped in the middle. With that positioning, shooting lines are harder to perceive.
So in general, it is not that practical.
No that’s cool
There is something to be said about being able to build your own bow from wood you've felled yourself. In a survival situation this can help aid in survival (assuming some kind of apocalyptic situation). And on the historic side of things, keeping older techniques alive helps preserve history. There are many ancient techniques that have been lost over time (like certain types of wrought iron) and it would be a shame if we lost even more.
I love historic archery so I'd love to try a long bow (when I'm not noodle arms)
Literally unironically do the stupid bowl of water thing from arrow (fill a bowl full of water, alternate hands as you slap bowl until its empty, fill, repeat.) Its stupid and you look like an idiot, but after two weeks of doing that for two hours a day, I've actually built up a lot of arm and upper body strength.
@@vivecthepoet36 so here's something funny... 2 years is a long time right and since posting this comment I've bought grip trainers, a pull up bar and other thing so noodle arms ain't a thing anymore and more importantly I've fallen out of favour with archery as I found the thing I enjoyed wasnt the archery but just talking to the people there so I just quit.
I noticed today in my target shooting session, that the quiver was missing. So if you have jeans with deep pockets, you can use your front pockets as a make-shift side quiver. No noise and compact. Have something hard and flat to increase the pressure on the arrows to prevent them from swinging around (like a 6''' smart phone).
I've done archery in the past before, and frankly just in my personal opinion, anything other than traditional seems a little pointless to me. I'm not interested in the modern technology, I'm not hunting, this isn't for survival. If it were for hunting or survival and modern technology was employed, I'd probably opt for one of my rifles instead. I'm more interested in archery for the historical appeal, this was the height of technology for most of human history, and it's fun to dabble in it. Once again, just my opinion.
This is exactly the point ^^ I think Archery should be thought of like a combat sport, speed is important and the targets should move. Hell if they can fire safe projectiles back at you that would be even cooler.
The cool thing about the modern technology is accuracy. It’s like comparing an iron sighted, sporter stock/barreled 30/06 vs a custom tactical rifle with ergonomic stock, target barrel, and tactical clear as anything optic. You can hit big targets much further away, or aim at really small targets closer in.
Or put it this way. We each put $1000 on the table. 6” target 60yds away. I’ll shoot my modern compound, and you can have your historical bow. Closest to the center takes the cash. And that may be a bit dramatic an example, but the reality is that there are tournaments for archery, shot with modern gear, that pay very well if you make the podium.
But the great thing is that there are some many ways to enjoy archery. You can go traditional if that’s your thing. You can shoot modern compound with sights, stabilizers, releases, etc. and anything in between.
you Are right but Ive seen people with traditional gear doing a legelas all over the target.
Great vid. one thing i would like to mention in regard to the bullseye point. When it comes to hunting hitting that perfect shot on a animal doesn't loose it's magic.
17:30 i actually always liked hip quivers more.
There is one advantage to shoot high poundage bow. In windy condition it is less prone to wind drift. Both because it has more power and because it has to travel less curvature thus lower in the air where wind is slower than few feet higher. It has many disadvantages though. Require higher quality equipment, better form and allows less aiming time.
When you said age of empires 2, I got a chubby. I love aoc i'm still very much apart of the community, do you still play ?
Number 4 is about to come out!
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I am always happy when I get at least one in middle but any where on the boss is good..... It is the coming together of shot process, Body and mind... I love all bows wood or metal.. Archery is awesome..
I've been shooting traditional for years and almost everything that he says is not that cool is actually pretty cool
For me since I grew up on a farm and that's where I shoot I find shooting close up and hitting the centre is ok but shooting from a distance and watching your arrows drop a little or a lot onto the target is much more gratifying.
Is there a two new holes in a wall ? :D
Soylent Green I was wondering the same, but thinking "wasn't there just two holes last time?"
I was going to post the same thing. we have watched it go from one hole, to two, and now there are 4. next week 16!
If people want to focus on endless Olympic style archery that's fine, but personally I can't see any point in it. We evolved to shoot instinctively in hunting and combat situations, that's where archery would actually be useful. Shooting at targets close up, seems pointless to me.
Shooting a gun with no sights doesn't make you more skilled. All it does is make hitting a target harder.
So, in other words, it makes you more skilled.
Lifting heavy weights doesn't make you stronger, it just makes picking up the weights harder.
What happens when you train with heavy weights?
You get stronger, I was trying to point out how silly Appletank8's comment was :).
Ok good. That's what I thought at first, then I realized your comment could be read either way. :)
I usually put my arrows in the tube on my bow stand when target practicing. Been thinking of getting a hip quiver.
I prefer my bows enchanted... Lol jk good video!
New to archery, lovin your video's, advice and thoughts. Thanks for sharing. John
Sure a fully rigged Olympic styled bow can be more consistently accurate than a trad bow and a compound will make both look stupid. But 2 points if you wants to be consistently accurate and believe in all things modern then shoot with a compound. And secondly a trad shooter isn’t competing against a Olympic recurve shooter as an olympic scooter isn’t competing against a compound shooter. We compete in our class so accuracy is relative to the class.
Also poundage loosely equates to power and a better trajectory. The problem with high poundage is its hard to let loose a 100 or so arrow in a comp without getting exhausted. Lighter poundage is better for comps as you’ll have better form for longer and not get exhausted.
Lets be honest here... Those snazzy multicolored jerseys might be the coolest thing here (:
Good stuff.
Dam dude, I can’t make heads or tails of this video. On one hand you are correct on all facets. On the other hand, this is a hobby, for almost everyone involved. No money to be made (only lost) , no followers to comment or gain, just a way to have fun in the backyard with your kids. A way to get outside and relax. So there could be a few tall tales, of legend and miracle shots. That’s ok with me. It’s part of the fun, a glimpse back in time in a world of screen time and hectic days. Shoot on, and have fun everyone.
Don't tell the 3rd one to Lars Anderson...he might disagree...
Paragon Piff plus he is a fraud
Look up lars anderson debunked
@@pyotrilyichtchaikovsky3733 shut up bro
Very important lessons. Thanks
Watch at 1.25 speed.
I'm one of those people who love to see a fully set up olympic recurve. Proper sights, full stabilizer array, clicker, vibration dampeners, silencers, the full works. Everything and the kitchen sink.
The reason why I don't get *as much* of that feeling from compound bows, is that compound usually chooses to go full steam ahead and pile on a lot more technology that might be strictly necessary. there is nothing wrong with this, it's an aesthetic that I appreciate in a different way. But what i like about how an olympic freestyle looks, is that you can be more sure that every single thing on that bow is serving a specific function that SUPPORTS the original function of the recurve, and is not "taking over the spotlight" by making it more about the technology on the bow than the bow itself. the recurve still has a say and i like that.
It's so beautiful to me, because it's a seamless integration of traditional and modern technology..... in the same way that "Tek Raptors" fascinate me in "Ark: Survival Evolved", or the creatures in Horizon Zero Dawn. That seamless merge of the future and the past is something that is so elusive for us as a species. Except that the Olympic Recurve is embodying it all this time.
"Arrows cost money" yeah ok fair enough.