If you’re doing THIS then you're (PROBABLY) growing your Fruit Trees WRONG!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Why wait up to 7 years after planting a fruit tree, to find out you got it wrong.
30 years ago we started by buying a 4,000 tree apple orchard that we transitioned to organic and ultimately tore out to replant into a permaculture inspired mixed orchard.
These are the keys I wish I knew that would have saved me tens of thousands of dollars along the way.
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Where do you usually go to purchase your new fruit trees and were you successful?
Online or any hardware or big box stores.
I always get bareroot trees in the mail and they start to fruit either the same year or next year, where as my conventional nursery trees i bought in pots fed osmocote type fertilizer for 2-3 years take years and years longer to become productive and I notice them going through shock when transitioning from chemical to organic like an addict suffering withdrawal and failing to form the proper relationships they need right away.
Same here. Bare roots by mail. Good spots not too far away here in Québec.
You should plant mulberry trees they fruits on there first season there is tons of varieties and there much harder to kill then most other tries there some the sweetest fruits in cold climates can also grow to Alaska to Hawaii to Arizona to Canada. There drought, heat, cold, water, humid, shade resistant and there easily grown from cuttings. Some mulberries cam grow as big as your hand other can get as big little finger. There so many varieties there is native kinds and non native kinds. There white, red, black, purple mulberries come in so many shapes and sizes.
Local nursery that promotes or has bare root. They generally only sell varieties that are zoned for our climate.
You have no idea how much I appreciate the probably, the amount of videos of people saying "Something YOU have been doing wrong" like they know you or they are the smartest in the world and figured it out, has such a smug pompous vibe, all you gotta do is put (probably) and its a legit statement and can apply too everyone. 10/10 before the video even airs.
Excellent Video! I did my research and planted resistant cultivars, and I grow on dwarfing stock that does well in my area due to limited space. I graft other resistant varieties to my trees. I have a few totally healthy crab apple trees that I also grafted to--no serious problems so far and I never spray anything. There are so many apple cultivars to choose from out there.
I purchase bare root trees through the mail because my area (rural) either only sells the store varieties of apple trees or else charges ridiculous prices for potted trees. The nurseries I buy from like FEDCO Trees and Burnt Ridge Nursery, only sell them in the spring, so although not ideal planting time, I get them in the earth ASAP, mulch and double fence and water deep when needed. So far, so good.
Great progress, abundance will be enjoyed soon. Bravo.
Haai I watched your channel for n while now 3 years learned alot I started with 6 apple trees now I have 56 hopefully my goal is 150 from seed.
Hahaha be careful it’s infectious, but looks like it’s too late for you. Nice.
Wow keep it up nicely done!
Can’t wait!!
Most-excellent information - simple logic.
Glad to hear you liked this one thanks for the awesome feedback!
I did forget to meantion my own backyard since the farmers wife was a dedicated garderner. The more we clear the more we uncover some of the flowers and fruits get a burst of energy from getting some direct sunlight.
This video was VERY helpful ✋🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Awesome we’re glad you enjoyed it 👍👍
Excellent video.
Happy to hear this one was helpful!
This video is dramatic and sinematic, very emotional
Wow thanks for such awesome feedback! Hopefully you enjoyed it 👍
@@ZaneMedia of course, there is an high value for knowledge passed over in interesting way
I have a dozen persimmon trees and a couple pawpaws that would beg to differ on some of these...
@paul.1337 not in Northern Virginia :) also I'm a semi pro troll, I should probably work on some actual skills
Hey, I found your channel by mistake. I thought you were Paul James, the Gardener Guy! Are you related to him?? You look exactly like him. And, I’m very glad that I made that mistake. I have watched a couple of your videos and look forward to catching up on past videos.
Haha glad also. Welcome aboard. Lots to binge watch.
Yes we’re glad you found us and enjoy the content, more to come 🥂
I agree entirely... I like my fruit trees native mainly, they resist much more, need close to no help, and even if their fruit is smaller, it is abundant and care-free
I think it’s terrible that stores will sell trees they know won’t grow in your area
Afternoon sun is better than early morning sun? Not where I live! Way too hot in the afternoon. We need shade more than sun here.
About the ¼” galvanized steel mesh 18 to 24” long: This year we had high snow banks in our small home orchard, and the rabbits were able to stand on the frozen snow and completely girdle 13 of my 2 year old fruit trees that I had carefully shaped over 2 seasons. Thankfully 10 of these sprouted from dormant shoots along the remaining trunk. If you expect snow drifts in your orchard, put up some 48” or 60” fencing around the trees you care about. All of the damage occurred over a single weekend when it was too cold for my dog to be out there on patrol. I have a four foot fence around the orchard, but the little bunnies dug under the fence to get in where I didn’t notice (a big pile of cut branches next to the fence). I don’t like bunnies anymore…
Sorry about that. Leaving some low branches trained to touch the soil will deflect such movements away from the trunk. Yes fortunately you can rebuild the trees with shoots above the graft line. You won't notice the difference in 3 years.
Wow.
Jam packed with information.
Thanks for the awesome feedback! We’re glad you enjoyed this one
Glad it was helpful!
Absolutely right! I'm in middle GA, and apple trees don't grow well here. I've planted 7 or 8 different cultivars, and don't have much luck.
Persimmons grow like weeds here, so I guess I'll plant more of them.
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Absolutely, so delicious.
Very good tips
So nice of you
Glad you enjoyed it
My D'Anjous labeled as dwarfs are both 40 ft. Tall. Both beautiful. They are loaded, but every year, some critters come in and clear the thousands of fallen baby pears off the ground and another thousand off the trees. Raccoons? I was never a pear fan...until the ONE year the pears were not all eaten. Both are loaded this year, so I am sadly watching. Any way to stop the carnage???
plant more trees
electric chicken fence
Trail cam to identify the critter then live trap and relocate the known culprit.
Probably raccoons, opossums or flying squirrels since they are not seen in the daytime. If you don't have branches touching the soil for them to climb up you can use a 4 foot stove pipe all around the trunk. If it's slick they won't be able to climb (unless they glide in). Good luck.
I would rather see my fruit tree die than spray poison. I started growing organically 66 years ago. I made a lot o mistakes, but I was on the right track. In the fifties I could compost in 11 days. But in the early 2000s I stumbled on the best mulch ever, 15-1 shredded tree leaves. For a big "Food Forest" I would also use composted wood chips covering the whole forest ground.
If I had limited space, I would grow only fruit that can't be bought "tree ripened", e.g., 'cots, peaches, nectarines. They don't have flavor/nutri if picked partially ripe.
Wow thanks for the knowledge bomb 🥂
You've got it figured out. Keep it up.
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Isnt this backwards? You say its better to have afternoon sun than morning, then say you want them to dry out fast after a rain or dew? Am i missing something?
Yes this was meant to be changed in the edit you are correct nice catch 👍
Yes my mistake I was sapose to change that but it slipped through the cracks 👎
@a97chrjo look he did mean afternoon
Thanks, I live in CA & I’m moving to TX. I have several fruit trees & citrus. I grew a grapefruit tree start from a grapefruit seed to take with me to TX. 2 questions- 1 will the grapefruit tree produce from growing it from a seed? Will citrus survive in East TX? Love your channel very informative
Probably best to keep the grapefruit in a half barrel or big pot and bring inside for the winter. It would die back from freezing temps.
Looks quite severe according the the thumbnail! :)
Shock factor, have to play the “TH-cam game” unfortunately. This video is probably my best to date though 👍 while we wait for an upcoming Honey Bee video to get out of TH-cam jail for a copyright claim 😂
@@ZaneMedia love the editing. I like both styles, Stefan just talking and being his associative distracted self as well as the more tightly edited videos.
The production in this video is next level for this channel.
Very well done for the intended style.
@@josephjones5070 thank you my friend we’re glad you’re enjoying the new content! Next weeks honey bee video will be the best one yet ;)
My soil stinks. At most there is 8-10” of black dirt. Everything else is sand and rock. I dig holes 3’-4’ deep and wide. The winters in Minnesota have killed the trees back to where the snow was drifted to. My currants have spider mites I think this year also. I’m thinking about buying assassin bugs to help with the problem
No one said gardening is easy. Try using trees one zone hardier than your zone.
Liberty apple all the way
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Wonderful video, as always. Thank you for all you do!
I wish I would have done more research before buying my trees. I bought varieties I know, for the most part, because I know roughly what they taste like. I was also excited to get growing, and it seemed availability (in stock) was limited, and I wanted to get growing! I was nervous about buying a variety that was definitely disease resistant, but only to find out many years later that I didn't like the flavor...
Right now, I am trying to figure out what to do about the rust on my Ayers Sugar Pear tree... any suggestions?
Rust on pear! Wow. Rust as with all fungal diseases is a factor of the weather, more rain produces more fungus. You can try spraying whey or dilute yogurt.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank you! I’ll give it a try! It definitely baffled me. Rust has been bad this year, in Southeastern Michigan. I had to cut back most of our roses because of it this spring too.
Thanks again! You are awesome! Please stay safe with all this smoke from the fires. 😊
Glad you found this one helpful and good luck with your planting
I have two McIntosh trees and I don’t ever spray any fruit trees. My Mac grow the biggest nicest apples
@@paul.1337 nope. Iowa 4B. I have pear trees right along with them and cedar trees 10 feet away that everyone freaks out about saying it will give it rust. I don’t have an issue very often with anything.
Wow, you must have a dry climate and mineral rich soil. Keep on growing them if they grow easily for you.
@@StefanSobkowiak live on limestone slab and surrounded by corn fields and very very humid in summer.
High pH and mineral rich. Seems to be sufficient, good to know.
Can you make a video about morning vs afternoon sun. I didn't understand when you talked about it in this video.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Basically you don't want the tree to set and be wet for long periods of time without drying out especially when it is humid and not very windy. You want your tree to dry out in the late afternoon so it doesn't go over night with damp leaves but morning sun also may be better because water will condense on the tree overnight and you want the morning sun to dry it off as soon as possible.
Long story short you probably want morning sun in that case. But you take what you can get.
Some more native varieties of trees may tolerate more shade. It's diverse fungal and microbiological communities that actually protect trees and bring them important minerals they would not otherwise be able to reach or metabolize. Apples are a native understory tree of Kazakhstan for example.
I messed up. I meant to say if you have shade then morning sun is better than afternoon sun. You want the leaves to dry quickly to reduce the incidence of disease if they are susceptible. Full sun is best.
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Full Sun ? If you in the Sub tropics like us it’s very hot most of the year. Like 32 to 37c about 7-8 months a year. Is full Sun still recommended for our fruit trees? Everything seems to get baked here.
Depends on the tree species. In the subtropics there are many more fruiting trees and shrubs that need some shade than in the temperate climates.
My place is a tropical zone. I have tried the Acai berry but they all die after I plant them in my farm ordering from a distant nursery which takes some 5 days to be delivered to me.
What can be the cause of the death of the Acai berry saplings?
Sir, i have 2000 spur varieties planted. Performance is good but am having severe root borer problems. Please suggest a remedy.
If all you have is one species of fruit like apple, you will have problems of all kinds. Even if you have many different varieties. You need species diversity.
@@StefanSobkowiak I have Super Chief France, Red Velox, Jeromine and Scarlet Spur 2. And for pollination, i have Granny Smith and Gala. My area is north facing with elevation of 5700 feet. I use insecticides like Cartap Hydrochloride and Cholopryphos but this year 12 trees are completely dried up due to these root borers.
I’m sorry sir but I had a 4,000 tree monoculture orchard. It’s a never ending series of problems that makes suppliers very happy. Natures diversity works without suppliers, you need diversity of trees, shrubs, plants in the orchard which attracts animals who take care of borers and other insects.
@@StefanSobkowiak Gotcha. Thank you for your time sir. I appreciate that🙏
Gardening is one topic on the internet where you will find competing information misinformation and information that doesn't quite fit your situation
After all it's not plumbing and gas
Which really has no margin for error
Absolutely, same for gardening information in books and magazines.
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I find if I really need to know the bottom line ..I go to agricultural science journals such as orchardist would use
Then bear in mind the science of an orange orchard isn't the same as having 1 orange tree
Soil chemistry is everything in the end
I've read that apple scab is due to a lack of cobalt
Every effect has a symptom. Micronutrient deficiency is often the cause.
Interesting!
I have an apple tree that has had a lot of scab for the last twenty years . Last spring 2022 I applied a pound of cobalt livestock salt around the dripline. There was very little scab last year and I don't see any this year.
I think I have too much drainage and sun :( lol
2:40. Baby trees grow roots when the ground is frozen?
Yes, 80% of roots growing take place in the fall/winter. According to Stefan
After leaf fall.
There is still a month or two after leaf fall before the ground freezes. This is the time when woody plants put all of their energy into root growth.
Think about how much growth you see on the shoots of the plants in a month to six weeks in the spring. This is what happens with roots in the fall.
If you mulch heavily around the trees during fall planting, then it will take longer for the ground to freeze under the mulch, giving an extended window for fall root growth.
*promo sm* 🤷
Chill out on the background music!
Stefan, I really like your channel, but blatantly copying my title, thumbnail, *and* intro of my video with no mention of my channel is kind of a lame move.
Which video(s) did he do this with? (Sincere question)
No offence but you should be linking this video in yours, this one is much more precise and half the time.
Hi Anne we did use your thumb and title as a base, I’m sorry if it was offensive. I was amazed your video did so well because frankly the information in the video was very weak and dated. I know a lot of the info out there about pruning is confusing and based on gardening practices rather than best practices. How can I make it up to you?
Stupid neighbors feed the deer. And even lets them into their back yard. ... well guess what, Stupid deer jump my fence all thr time. They are so happy inside of back yards.
Btw, I hate McIntosh apples !!!!!!
Not very useful for me. Repetition of common sense facts I have heard before many times from less dramatic voices.
Not sure how to put this, so I’ll just be blunt and say that the emphasis placed on high “production value”, ie background music, cut-aways to random people nobody knows (such as the nursery salesman) and other nonsense really detract from the delivery of what we all come here for - honest content. All the rest is not helpful. Please don’t turn into yet another shill oh TH-cam. You’ve come to far to go astray now.
Thanks for the feedback Bill
If the permaculture message is ever going to reach the masses, then some compromises need to be made in the approach.
The foundational proofs for the viability of the permaculture orchard have been achieved. And Stefan has been exceptionally generous in his educational content during the time period that it has taken to get this far. (I understand that the content also benefitted Stefan as well, tit for tat)
Now that the foundation is fixed, the message needs to go out to the kind of people that aren't going to have the level of interest for the original kind of content from this channel. If the idea of a multi species permaculture orchard is ever going to catch on in a way that truly changes the way things are done, then it needs to reach those who aren't already on board. It needs to see capitalization and be marketed for broader and more general appeal.
Give Stefan the credit he is due. The man has created a wonderful example to work off of and he laid it all out for anyone who wants to follow. And he is continuing to push the ideal out to an ever broader audience with this new (to this channel) style of content. This will only serve to improve the chances of others being able to develop successful ventures of their own.
Stefan has been growing his orchard and this channel for years and years. He has earned the trust that he will proceed with the wisdom gained from everything that has come before.
Go for it Stefan and Zack!
We're behind you for as far as you care to take this!
@@josephjones5070110% agree with this!!!
@@josephjones5070I just saw this now wow thanks for the understanding and the kind words 🥂
tired of those clickbait titles. bye !
Ha ha again this apple guy....regards pal
Did you shamelessly steal the creative work of title, thumbnail, and intro from @AnneofAllTrades without adding any transformation or giving proper credit?
Hi Witt, here’s the reply I sent to Ann: Hi Anne we did use your thumb and title as a base, I’m sorry if it was offensive. I was amazed your video did so well because frankly the information in the video was very weak and dated. I know a lot of the info out there about pruning is confusing and based on gardening practices rather than best practices. How can I make it up to you?