I recently bought a VW Golf Alltrack. It solved the problem of me not wanting an auto and my wife not being able to drive a manual. The VW DSG is a wonderful dual-clutch gearbox.
My grandmother bought a 2006 Vw jetta Tdi DSG new, which was a first model year of it in U.S.. Always had it serviced and has never had a problem in 12 years and 220k miles
My friend went through not just one but two new transmission in his Fiesta. While my good old 6-speed auto in Fusion works perfectly fine. This is aside from the fact that DCTs can be jerky in sluggish in stop and go traffic.
Great video. Surprised VW didn't get a mention, as they've been using DCT (or DSG as they call them) transmissions for years and seem to have them mostly figured out by now.
My gearbox keeps shifting gears with no judder, bangs, slips, jerks for 7 years now. I shift gears myself. I like systems that old cars like Citroen Dyane had - centrifugal clutch. You do not need clutch pedal, shifts with no issues and it is fully mechanical. Great for traffic jams.
DCTs from VW are pretty common here in Europe. I have 6-speed DSG in my diesel Skoda and it´s working great. Audis got torque converter in A7 just for the strongest biturbo diesel, others are DSG. Not sure about petrol engines.
And in 2018 Honda came out with a dual-clutch transmission in their largest motorcycle, the Goldwing. And they're offering more DCT's in other bikes also. Maybe it's a weight thing...
Had a dual clutch in my old Golf R, and my wife’s old Seat Leon and both were great. Just need to make sure the oil’s changed every 30k miles, manufacturer says 40k, I wouldn’t take the risk especially if it’s used in urban areas = lots of gear changes.
The marketing BS behind the DCT was something. People were so wowed by the idea of a transmission that had multiple automated clutches, but they never stop to realize that the tradition automatic transmission has had multiple automated clutches forever. In fact, one for every gear. That tells you just how clueless people in the car world can be.
DUDE IT'S MARKETING. People thought Irak has mass destruction weapons only because of the TV. Sorry bad joke. Here in Germany everyone knows, that VW AG was fooling everyone and they will not get any penny like in USA, but they are still buying their car.
Couldn’t agree more, got a dct in my car which is considered an econobox (vw Polo) and in traffic it can get quite sketchy(eg- rough clutch release/ engagement, no constant creep) but otherwise it’s smooth and precise and overall I like it but understand why people don’t wanna have them
Couldn’t get a manual in my S3 since my wife only drives automatics. The DCT is the perfect solution for us to split the difference. Apparently the new torque-converters from the high end are now suppose to be just as quick to be in the right gear based on driving modes...but what’s the fun in that?
Coming from a BMW F30 and G20, both using 8 speed ZF gearbox and now to an A7 s-tronic gearbox, the standard autos are so much more usable, the gear changes are more intuitive and acceleration is instantaneous with the torque converter locking mechanism. With a DCT, you suffer with the difficulty of the gearbox guessing which gear you want next, if it decides incorrectly, you end up with 1-2 seconds of lag before you feel acceleration. The biggest issue is acceleration from standing, once you let off the brake the car needs about 1 second to engage a gear before you get drive, this leaves you timing gaps in traffic, the worse part is pulling out of busy junctions and the gearbox isn't responding. For everyday driving and none super cars, they really do not have a place anymore in my opinion.
I was considering a VW Passat TDI in 2013. I test drove one and really enjoyed it on the highway and the windy Palisades Parkway. However in Manhattan stop and go driving it was jittery and shuttered. I ended up buying a mint condition, one-owner SAAB 9-5 with a 5-speed Aisin slushbox with paddle shifters. It's pretty much bulletproof. Also, DCT's are ridiculously expensive to fix and rebuild.
I had a 2012 Focus. The transmission wasn't that bad. It shifts quickly and is good on gas 40+mpg avg 75mph. I bought the extended warranty too which is quite cheap, ~$1k for 3 years bumper-to-bumper for a car with 60k miles on the clock, but sold the car anyways because I wanted to upgrade.
I got ride of my 2016 focus because of those powershift issues. It was a lease and I had plans buy out the car but the shuddering from 1- 2 second gear was not a feeling I liked. It always felt like the bar was broken in some way. If you put you foot down, it does it job pretty darn well but i cant go flat out driving though neighborhoods and state highways so it is Ford problem now.
I love DCT - have a VW Tiguan DSG in the family, and it's a fantastic transmission. Borrowed a friend's C240 with a 5G-Tronic transmission the other day and I was not impressed. Drove a Jaguar XF with the 8-speed ZF torque converter automatic as a courtesy car, however, and that was almost as good as the DSG. Torque converter automatics have really come a long way in the past decade.
What about a dual clutch with a torque converter? I have a 2016 Acura ILX with a dual clutch torque converter smooth shifts quick upshift and downshifts love it!
There are so many advantages to a DCT (like fewer parts, which would after a few decades mean lower cost), however, their Achilles heel is bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic, particularly on an incline. The conventional automatic shines under these conditions, whereas the DCT (if not adjusted and engineered perfectly-which is where we're at today), shimmies its way up the hill at walking speed, while overheating the clutches. If only a small fraction of cars experience this condition on a regular basis, it's enough to make nobody want one.
Sir Cooley and associates, can you do a dash cam review for us loyal followers. I'm starting to gain interested in this area, but can't make out from looking at them which is "good" either by brand or specs.
fantomtuba the 4 cylinder TLX, and current Ilx are the only Honda product I can think of which uses a DCT. The rest are CVT's (yuck) or traditional automatics.
The TLX 4 banger DCT uses a torque converter in it that actually smoothes out the starts from stop that plagues DCT's. Haven't heard any reliability issues either so no idea where that came from.
Your expertise is absolutely needed to review the Mitsubishi outlander Phev. A lot to unpack . Tired of amateur reviewers. I would like to buy the car, but I can't fully commit just yet until a I can watch a great review of yours. Thanks.
I drove a fiat with what must have been a dual clutch automatic manual transmission and it was just awful. I’d put my foot down to try and take off in a hurry to merge into traffic and the car would sit there for sometimes one full second before it even started moving. Not to mention, the future of cars is fully electric and they don’t even need transmissions.
There’s a reason why auto makers are going back to conventional autos and abandoning dual-clutch autos. The transmissions are slow to respond off the line, loud, and jerky during slow speed situations. The last 2 vehicles I had were dual clutches. I didn’t notice how jerky it was until I drove a conventional auto the other day. I pulled up to spot where the front of the car was facing the building going slightly uphill. Wanted to move up a foot or so and was giving it very light dabs of throttle. Then I noticed that I didn’t need to do that with a conventional auto. I just gave it a little gas, kept it there, and the car creeped forward with no drama evenly. Compare that with the dual-clutch trans and it was a completely different experience. The Dual-Clutch transmission still has a clutch that needs to be slipped in order to engage gears. It’s the same process that you would do with your left foot on a manual car, except instead of the clutch being controlled by your foot as with a conventional auto, the clutch is controlled mechanically by a computer. And that is where it messes up. The engagement point is inconsistent. The car just gooses the gas for you and slips the clutch. So even if you have the gas down at a consistent level, you will hear (and feel) the car going off and on the gas slipping the clutch for you. It’s unnerving because you don’t know when it will grab completely and fully engage 1st gear. This doesn’t make for accidents. It just makes smooth driving in parking lot situations next to impossible. You end up getting used to it and adjusting your driving style accordingly. But it will always be inconsistent. You can give it a stab of gas and just get enough clutch slippage enabling you to creep forward, or that same stab of gas can cause full engagement of 1st gear causing the car to leap forward and scaring the heck out of you in the process. I think the main issue is that the clutch and transmission doesn’t utilize any vehicle incline sensors. The same about clutch slippage required to get the car engaged in gear on a level surface, should not be the same amount of slippage needed to get the car going uphill. The Dual-Clutch Trans doesn’t know the difference. Your right foot has to know the difference and even then it isn’t as consistent as say normal clutch engagement with a manual using your foot. They’re were tons of instances where I thought If I had the clutch pedal under my foot, that I could have done a smoother job, albeit with more clutch slippage.
I prefer the DCT, DSG over a slushbox. Reason being is I like how it feels. I don’t mind it not being so smooth I can’t even feel the shift. I hate CVTs I hate how smooth it is. My M3 has a DCT and I can’t complain.
Matthew Jackson They’re smoother because they can find the exact ‘gear’ because of the design. But the downsides are the shifts are slower and they’re not built for high torque. If they were Nissan would have used it in the GTR, but went with the dual clutch. You won’t see a normal CVT outside of lower power cars
Very informative. Personally, I prefer the driver engagement a DCT provides without the need of a manual clutch pedal. Automatic cars however feel so much more generic. Long live DCT in BMW M cars!!
I don't get why bmw would get rid of manuals. At least there are still cars like the gt86/BRZ that know manual box is what you need for a car that's built to be enjoyed.
Tony Mitchell speed? No. Enjoyment... That's the only reason you'd buy a sports car is for enjoyment. You're not tracking it realistically, but if you go for a canyon drive you'd want to enjoy it
The man loves cars and just happened to find a job that lets him loose to tell it like he sees it. I still remember starting a show with "POS" at no extra cost
I really like the driving feel of dual clutch transmissions. Audi and Porsche use them in many of their cars. I'm disappointed they haven't gained market share. Ford's fiasco is partly to blame.
Naughtysauce Sorry I should have added the year in my comment. Mines a 2017. What I will say though is that when the car is cold, it can be a LITTLE loud, but still runs totally smooth. Like for example if you're driving when it's 25 degrees out and you're not at full operating temp, you can hear the clutches disengage a little, but that's really it, still smooth, not jerky, etc. Then when the car warms up to operating temp it's smooth like butter. Driving in traffic is totally fine, I am not sure what people mean when they say it's a nightmare, in my experience it's been great. The car is obviously still pretty new but I can't really see it getting worse. Unless they do, you might be able to answer that one. But I have to say, the 17 Mk7's are nicely refined. Don't know about the 7.5's though, I know it's a 7 speed DSG now...
Naughtysauce My theory is that the 17 DSG's have perfected the 6 speed DSG throughout the years. They've been around for a while now. But now they're on to a 7 speed, so there could be some problems with that one I suppose.
My preference of transmission would be Manual -> Dual Clutch -> CVT -> TQ-based. However, the TQ-based transmissions like the ZF boxes can handle so much torque that the other types can't! With the option to add gears like Billy Mays, it's just so hard to say no to TQ-based transmissions. Another thing is automated driving, where TQ-based transmission can be so smooth yet programmable to skip gears like a high school senior, no wonder they hold so much promise. The upshot is that the Manual camp and the TQ-based camp are holding firm in their preference, with the other camps having to give way due to no particular passion or utility advantage.
I drive a Hyundai with the 7-speed DCT and I really like it. A lot of the new Hyundai cars are using that transmission. The engagement is very direct and when I let friends drive it, they think the car is a hybrid because it feels electric. I like that Hyundai is going with DCTs instead of CVTs. The Japanese cars are getting very boring, IMO.
True words. Try to drive a two litre VW Diesel engine with DCT - It's just bad. Unless you don't reconfigure it's not really smooth and shifts too early. There is basically no comfort during the ride. My car has a torque converter and I will stay with the system, because it just smooth and easy. Not so indirect like CVT and by the possibility to shift by myself fast enough.
Realistically with more auto manufacturers wanting to get better fuel economy even if the EPA is not requiring it especially when it is a car that I already is aimed at trying to be more of an economy car and get better fuel economy the CVT transmission is the more popular style of transmission over the torque converter transmission I've driven and owned many vehicles that have CVT transmissions and I think they are great they run wonderfully and realistically you can actually get better performance out of a CVT transmission then you can a multi gear transmission of any sort anymore even high variant 6-speed manual or 10-speed automatics because you can get the car up into its peak horsepower more quickly and let it sit there throughout its entire acceleration Subaru ran a CVT Transmission in the WRX for a few years and it just fell out a popularity cuz the type of people buy those cars either want a manual transmission or they want an actual multi Gear transmission not a CVT but if manufacturers like General Motors Ford and Dodge Chrysler built tougher CVT transmissions that can handle lots of horsepower and torque from a car we would be more likely to see Corvettes Mustangs Camaros Chargers with CVT transmissions even just the year of the switch over using the same engine and body and just changing the CVT transmission would probably shave a little bit of time off of the acceleration on the CVT Transmission Car versus the multi speed gearbox.
I can tell you more than 5 negative on my VW double clutch but only 1 positive. All I can say is that I would never buy that thing again. Very disappointed
DCT are unnecessarily complicated. a sporty beefy automatic is simpler, lighter, stronger, more reliable, and with the right programming shift faster. DCT will eventually die out.
Mister Mood Actually, DCT is simplest automatic solution. It has actuator for each gear and 2 clutches. That's it. Slush box has torque converter, oil pump, brake bans for each mode of it's many planetary gears and complex hydraulics.
Mladen Milić is correct, but simple don't mean more reliable. A torque converter inherently reduces stresses in the transmission, making it more reliable.
We had a diesel VW Jetta Wagon with the dual clutch transmission. I Loved the precise and quick shift, but it had one fault. If I smoked cigarettes I would have had enough time to finish one when shifting from reverse to drive. I had to plan backing out of my driveway and shifting into drive so I wouldn't have cars slamming on their brakes to give my car time to think about its shift. Kinda scary!
Unfortunately, no. Especially in Hyundai's new hybrids. Feeble DCTs + electric motors? Expect hard, messy and expensive transmission and clutch failures.
cedrick305 The DCT is a uniquely bad transmission (fortunately mine only needed a software update but others have had much worse luck). The Fusion and Escape which use traditional automatics drive much better.
Why the hell isn't this man reviewing cars anymore??? He's the best goddamn automotive journalist/presenter in the business.
WE WANT COOLEY BACK
Yup. Cooley is pretty cool
I bet it’s by choice. Has to be tiring eventually
I swear I could watch Cooley talk about paint drying and I’d never get bored!
Brilliant summary of a very interesting topic.
I recently bought a VW Golf Alltrack. It solved the problem of me not wanting an auto and my wife not being able to drive a manual. The VW DSG is a wonderful dual-clutch gearbox.
Cooley u da man
My grandmother bought a 2006 Vw jetta Tdi DSG new, which was a first model year of it in U.S.. Always had it serviced and has never had a problem in 12 years and 220k miles
I wish it were easier to find Brian's videos.
I’m the owner of a 2014 Ford Focus... lets hope the THIRD CLUTCH is the charm...
aw27s 😂
I have bad news for you mate.
Should have gone with a manual transmission. Get rid of that thing dude.
My friend went through not just one but two new transmission in his Fiesta. While my good old 6-speed auto in Fusion works perfectly fine. This is aside from the fact that DCTs can be jerky in sluggish in stop and go traffic.
Great video. Surprised VW didn't get a mention, as they've been using DCT (or DSG as they call them) transmissions for years and seem to have them mostly figured out by now.
gmupps My 17 GTI DSG is fantastic
You are the best
My gearbox keeps shifting gears with no judder, bangs, slips, jerks for 7 years now.
I shift gears myself.
I like systems that old cars like Citroen Dyane had - centrifugal clutch. You do not need clutch pedal, shifts with no issues and it is fully mechanical. Great for traffic jams.
Excellent video. Can you talk about reliability please as well
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DCTs from VW are pretty common here in Europe. I have 6-speed DSG in my diesel Skoda and it´s working great. Audis got torque converter in A7 just for the strongest biturbo diesel, others are DSG. Not sure about petrol engines.
I've got a 2015 Fusion with 65k miles and a six speed DCT. Smoothest transmission I have ever ever owned.
That's because the fusion never got the DCT
Very interesting series Cooley!
And in 2018 Honda came out with a dual-clutch transmission in their largest motorcycle, the Goldwing. And they're offering more DCT's in other bikes also. Maybe it's a weight thing...
Had a dual clutch in my old Golf R, and my wife’s old Seat Leon and both were great. Just need to make sure the oil’s changed every 30k miles, manufacturer says 40k, I wouldn’t take the risk especially if it’s used in urban areas = lots of gear changes.
The marketing BS behind the DCT was something. People were so wowed by the idea of a transmission that had multiple automated clutches, but they never stop to realize that the tradition automatic transmission has had multiple automated clutches forever. In fact, one for every gear. That tells you just how clueless people in the car world can be.
Hambone Not to mention the TCC which is a big plus imo.
DUDE IT'S MARKETING. People thought Irak has mass destruction weapons only because of the TV. Sorry bad joke. Here in Germany everyone knows, that VW AG was fooling everyone and they will not get any penny like in USA, but they are still buying their car.
The tried and true manual transmission continues to be the #1 seller followed buy the automatic, CVT and dual clutch (globaly).
What is the difference between a dry dual clutch and a wet dual clutch?
Couldn’t agree more, got a dct in my car which is considered an econobox (vw Polo) and in traffic it can get quite sketchy(eg- rough clutch release/ engagement, no constant creep) but otherwise it’s smooth and precise and overall I like it but understand why people don’t wanna have them
Couldn’t get a manual in my S3 since my wife only drives automatics. The DCT is the perfect solution for us to split the difference. Apparently the new torque-converters from the high end are now suppose to be just as quick to be in the right gear based on driving modes...but what’s the fun in that?
George Taylor Teach her how to drive one :D
Coming from a BMW F30 and G20, both using 8 speed ZF gearbox and now to an A7 s-tronic gearbox, the standard autos are so much more usable, the gear changes are more intuitive and acceleration is instantaneous with the torque converter locking mechanism. With a DCT, you suffer with the difficulty of the gearbox guessing which gear you want next, if it decides incorrectly, you end up with 1-2 seconds of lag before you feel acceleration. The biggest issue is acceleration from standing, once you let off the brake the car needs about 1 second to engage a gear before you get drive, this leaves you timing gaps in traffic, the worse part is pulling out of busy junctions and the gearbox isn't responding. For everyday driving and none super cars, they really do not have a place anymore in my opinion.
I wonder if it’s because DCTs have more moving parts than a torque converter so they require more maintenance.
Clicked the video when I saw Cooley!
I was considering a VW Passat TDI in 2013. I test drove one and really enjoyed it on the highway and the windy Palisades Parkway. However in Manhattan stop and go driving it was jittery and shuttered. I ended up buying a mint condition, one-owner SAAB 9-5 with a 5-speed Aisin slushbox with paddle shifters. It's pretty much bulletproof.
Also, DCT's are ridiculously expensive to fix and rebuild.
No mention of MPG differences?
cvt is the gas mileage king now...good for about two plus mpg in many cases
The PDK on the Porsche 911 is great
I had a 2012 Focus. The transmission wasn't that bad. It shifts quickly and is good on gas 40+mpg avg 75mph. I bought the extended warranty too which is quite cheap, ~$1k for 3 years bumper-to-bumper for a car with 60k miles on the clock, but sold the car anyways because I wanted to upgrade.
I got ride of my 2016 focus because of those powershift issues. It was a lease and I had plans buy out the car but the shuddering from 1- 2 second gear was not a feeling I liked. It always felt like the bar was broken in some way. If you put you foot down, it does it job pretty darn well but i cant go flat out driving though neighborhoods and state highways so it is Ford problem now.
I love DCT - have a VW Tiguan DSG in the family, and it's a fantastic transmission. Borrowed a friend's C240 with a 5G-Tronic transmission the other day and I was not impressed. Drove a Jaguar XF with the 8-speed ZF torque converter automatic as a courtesy car, however, and that was almost as good as the DSG. Torque converter automatics have really come a long way in the past decade.
Why isn’t acura getting credit for there 4 cyl. Tlx dual clutch with torque converter?
D Flack because it isn’t reliable for Acura. Look it up
Because its crap
Gotta be shitting me, the tlx dual clutch with torque converter is amazing.
What about a dual clutch with a torque converter? I have a 2016 Acura ILX with a dual clutch torque converter smooth shifts quick upshift and downshifts love it!
There are so many advantages to a DCT (like fewer parts, which would after a few decades mean lower cost), however, their Achilles heel is bumper to bumper, stop and go traffic, particularly on an incline. The conventional automatic shines under these conditions, whereas the DCT (if not adjusted and engineered perfectly-which is where we're at today), shimmies its way up the hill at walking speed, while overheating the clutches. If only a small fraction of cars experience this condition on a regular basis, it's enough to make nobody want one.
Volkswagen only offers manuals or DSGs (DCT) in Norway as far as I'm aware. Same with Audi and Škoda.
Thats true, evey VAG (Seat, Skoda, VW, Audi) car in the EU, if its automatic its DTC. Only in the US they offer the torque converter autos.
The only exception is the 8-speed VW Amarok (and possibly the Touareg).
I'm unloading...I mean selling my 14 Focus at the earliest opportunity. Had one clutch pack replaced and working on a second
Sir Cooley and associates, can you do a dash cam review for us loyal followers. I'm starting to gain interested in this area, but can't make out from looking at them which is "good" either by brand or specs.
Mr. Cooley!! Great info as always! Are you hiring? Im a dentist but would love to get a part time job with you :)
CR-Vs were either manual, auto, or recently CVT. When were CR-Vs dual clutch? Only "Honda" I can think of with a dual clutch is the 4 cyl "Acura" TLX
fantomtuba the 4 cylinder TLX, and current Ilx are the only Honda product I can think of which uses a DCT. The rest are CVT's (yuck) or traditional automatics.
The TLX 4 banger DCT uses a torque converter in it that actually smoothes out the starts from stop that plagues DCT's. Haven't heard any reliability issues either so no idea where that came from.
Your expertise is absolutely needed to review the Mitsubishi outlander Phev. A lot to unpack . Tired of amateur reviewers. I would like to buy the car, but I can't fully commit just yet until a I can watch a great review of yours. Thanks.
I drove a fiat with what must have been a dual clutch automatic manual transmission and it was just awful. I’d put my foot down to try and take off in a hurry to merge into traffic and the car would sit there for sometimes one full second before it even started moving.
Not to mention, the future of cars is fully electric and they don’t even need transmissions.
I love my DCT.
i like the DCT in benz
There’s a reason why auto makers are going back to conventional autos and abandoning dual-clutch autos. The transmissions are slow to respond off the line, loud, and jerky during slow speed situations. The last 2 vehicles I had were dual clutches. I didn’t notice how jerky it was until I drove a conventional auto the other day. I pulled up to spot where the front of the car was facing the building going slightly uphill. Wanted to move up a foot or so and was giving it very light dabs of throttle. Then I noticed that I didn’t need to do that with a conventional auto. I just gave it a little gas, kept it there, and the car creeped forward with no drama evenly. Compare that with the dual-clutch trans and it was a completely different experience. The Dual-Clutch transmission still has a clutch that needs to be slipped in order to engage gears. It’s the same process that you would do with your left foot on a manual car, except instead of the clutch being controlled by your foot as with a conventional auto, the clutch is controlled mechanically by a computer. And that is where it messes up. The engagement point is inconsistent. The car just gooses the gas for you and slips the clutch. So even if you have the gas down at a consistent level, you will hear (and feel) the car going off and on the gas slipping the clutch for you. It’s unnerving because you don’t know when it will grab completely and fully engage 1st gear. This doesn’t make for accidents. It just makes smooth driving in parking lot situations next to impossible. You end up getting used to it and adjusting your driving style accordingly. But it will always be inconsistent. You can give it a stab of gas and just get enough clutch slippage enabling you to creep forward, or that same stab of gas can cause full engagement of 1st gear causing the car to leap forward and scaring the heck out of you in the process.
I think the main issue is that the clutch and transmission doesn’t utilize any vehicle incline sensors. The same about clutch slippage required to get the car engaged in gear on a level surface, should not be the same amount of slippage needed to get the car going uphill. The Dual-Clutch Trans doesn’t know the difference. Your right foot has to know the difference and even then it isn’t as consistent as say normal clutch engagement with a manual using your foot. They’re were tons of instances where I thought If I had the clutch pedal under my foot, that I could have done a smoother job, albeit with more clutch slippage.
I prefer the DCT, DSG over a slushbox. Reason being is I like how it feels. I don’t mind it not being so smooth I can’t even feel the shift. I hate CVTs I hate how smooth it is. My M3 has a DCT and I can’t complain.
What’s your take on Audi’s DC like in the newly redesigned Q5?
you dont buy an audi for reliabilty...you buy an audi if you want to spend a lot of time with your mechanic
Cooley I want the full episodes back! What happened? Do you not like us any more?
I wish CVTs would go away. In Nissan products, in particular. There's nothing wrong with a good automatic...
nothing wrong with a good CVT either, they are better at both efficiency and performance then automatics.
Matthew Jackson They’re smoother because they can find the exact ‘gear’ because of the design. But the downsides are the shifts are slower and they’re not built for high torque. If they were Nissan would have used it in the GTR, but went with the dual clutch. You won’t see a normal CVT outside of lower power cars
Matthew Jackson No such thing as a good CVT!
The problem is Nissan CTVs specifically. They suck. Other manufacturers have decent CVTs.
Very informative. Personally, I prefer the driver engagement a DCT provides without the need of a manual clutch pedal. Automatic cars however feel so much more generic.
Long live DCT in BMW M cars!!
Want to see 2017 Cooley bloopers lol !
I think the ability of a torque converter to slip without damage is a big factor.
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He has been pretty frequent, he was previously gone for a while
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I don't get why bmw would get rid of manuals.
At least there are still cars like the gt86/BRZ that know manual box is what you need for a car that's built to be enjoyed.
shiznut123 internationally I'd imagine yes, look at the international statistic. But still, guess it's the way marketing is telling them to go
Manuals are slow shifting. If ultimate speed is what you are after. Slow shifting manuals aren't the best choice.
Only an American would say this.
Tony Mitchell speed? No. Enjoyment... That's the only reason you'd buy a sports car is for enjoyment. You're not tracking it realistically, but if you go for a canyon drive you'd want to enjoy it
Karol Bała So the Ferraris amd Lamborghinis aren't enjoyable in the canyons? Neither make equips their vehicle with a Manual?
The man loves cars and just happened to find a job that lets him loose to tell it like he sees it. I still remember starting a show with "POS" at no extra cost
I really like the driving feel of dual clutch transmissions. Audi and Porsche use them in many of their cars. I'm disappointed they haven't gained market share. Ford's fiasco is partly to blame.
Now I get the “Manual is the best anti-theft car device in the US” joke
I like the Hyundai DCT.
I mean the DSG in my VW GTI is pretty damn good... Not jerky, loud, or anything... Pretty perfect if you ask me...
Naughtysauce Sorry I should have added the year in my comment. Mines a 2017. What I will say though is that when the car is cold, it can be a LITTLE loud, but still runs totally smooth. Like for example if you're driving when it's 25 degrees out and you're not at full operating temp, you can hear the clutches disengage a little, but that's really it, still smooth, not jerky, etc. Then when the car warms up to operating temp it's smooth like butter.
Driving in traffic is totally fine, I am not sure what people mean when they say it's a nightmare, in my experience it's been great. The car is obviously still pretty new but I can't really see it getting worse. Unless they do, you might be able to answer that one.
But I have to say, the 17 Mk7's are nicely refined. Don't know about the 7.5's though, I know it's a 7 speed DSG now...
Naughtysauce My theory is that the 17 DSG's have perfected the 6 speed DSG throughout the years. They've been around for a while now. But now they're on to a 7 speed, so there could be some problems with that one I suppose.
My preference of transmission would be Manual -> Dual Clutch -> CVT -> TQ-based. However, the TQ-based transmissions like the ZF boxes can handle so much torque that the other types can't! With the option to add gears like Billy Mays, it's just so hard to say no to TQ-based transmissions. Another thing is automated driving, where TQ-based transmission can be so smooth yet programmable to skip gears like a high school senior, no wonder they hold so much promise. The upshot is that the Manual camp and the TQ-based camp are holding firm in their preference, with the other camps having to give way due to no particular passion or utility advantage.
RIP manual transmissions
I searched for manual mustangs in my area and there was only 3 smh...
CNET please pay the dude fair enough to go back and review cars. He's the best in business
I drive a Hyundai with the 7-speed DCT and I really like it. A lot of the new Hyundai cars are using that transmission. The engagement is very direct and when I let friends drive it, they think the car is a hybrid because it feels electric. I like that Hyundai is going with DCTs instead of CVTs. The Japanese cars are getting very boring, IMO.
The new BMW M5 2018 have torque converter and not dual clutch.
CVT is the new slushbox
COOLEY PLEASE COME BACK TO ON CARS & CHECK THE TECH
True words. Try to drive a two litre VW Diesel engine with DCT - It's just bad. Unless you don't reconfigure it's not really smooth and shifts too early. There is basically no comfort during the ride.
My car has a torque converter and I will stay with the system, because it just smooth and easy. Not so indirect like CVT and by the possibility to shift by myself fast enough.
Corvette owners have the highest manual transmissions at 22-25%.
I'll stick withe most fun transmission: a manual
Realistically with more auto manufacturers wanting to get better fuel economy even if the EPA is not requiring it especially when it is a car that I already is aimed at trying to be more of an economy car and get better fuel economy the CVT transmission is the more popular style of transmission over the torque converter transmission I've driven and owned many vehicles that have CVT transmissions and I think they are great they run wonderfully and realistically you can actually get better performance out of a CVT transmission then you can a multi gear transmission of any sort anymore even high variant 6-speed manual or 10-speed automatics because you can get the car up into its peak horsepower more quickly and let it sit there throughout its entire acceleration Subaru ran a CVT Transmission in the WRX for a few years and it just fell out a popularity cuz the type of people buy those cars either want a manual transmission or they want an actual multi Gear transmission not a CVT but if manufacturers like General Motors Ford and Dodge Chrysler built tougher CVT transmissions that can handle lots of horsepower and torque from a car we would be more likely to see Corvettes Mustangs Camaros Chargers with CVT transmissions even just the year of the switch over using the same engine and body and just changing the CVT transmission would probably shave a little bit of time off of the acceleration on the CVT Transmission Car versus the multi speed gearbox.
2018 M5 is automatic only.....and AWD too. Dual clutches are dead
Yep duall clutch is useless when amalgamating two lanes into one when road works force you to slot into another lane, there goes your clutch life.
This makes me want to have a manual transmission. I feel like manual cars are going to be collector cars in the next 30 years since they won't exist.
Maybe in the US, in Europe, we still have the majority of manual, especially for smaller size cars.
I can tell you more than 5 negative on my VW double clutch but only 1 positive. All I can say is that I would never buy that thing again. Very disappointed
then why is cvt all the rage right now?? another fad like the dct?
anything is better than disgusting cvt
Cooley...............
DCT are unnecessarily complicated. a sporty beefy automatic is simpler, lighter, stronger, more reliable, and with the right programming shift faster. DCT will eventually die out.
Mister Mood Actually, DCT is simplest automatic solution.
It has actuator for each gear and 2 clutches. That's it.
Slush box has torque converter, oil pump, brake bans for each mode of it's many planetary gears and complex hydraulics.
Mladen Milić is correct, but simple don't mean more reliable. A torque converter inherently reduces stresses in the transmission, making it more reliable.
fair enough.
We had a diesel VW Jetta Wagon with the dual clutch transmission. I Loved the precise and quick shift, but it had one fault. If I smoked cigarettes I would have had enough time to finish one when shifting from reverse to drive. I had to plan backing out of my driveway and shifting into drive so I wouldn't have cars slamming on their brakes to give my car time to think about its shift. Kinda scary!
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Unfortunately, no. Especially in Hyundai's new hybrids.
Feeble DCTs + electric motors? Expect hard, messy and expensive transmission and clutch failures.
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CVTs. Cheaper to make and warrant. The average customer just wants to go. Hell, these next generations don't even want to drive.
Dual clutches suck. The PDK in my Panamera is a total pile of junk. They should have stayed with the tiptronics and not just in the hybrid
X5 m is auto not double clutch 🤪
If you don't want your car stolen in the US, drive a manual.
#savethemanuals
Worst thing ever. Look at my 2012 ford Fuchs.
I happen to have one of those DCT from Ford and let me tell you, it’s straight up garbage I will never buy another Ford product ever again.
cedrick305 The DCT is a uniquely bad transmission (fortunately mine only needed a software update but others have had much worse luck). The Fusion and Escape which use traditional automatics drive much better.
What year is your Ford? The newer ones are much improved.
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A 2014 Focus, I cant wait until I trade this stupid car.
Oh come on now Ford isn't garbage maybe some of it's cars aren't all that like the focus but overall Ford's are awesome.
Other than the F-150 and the Ford GT that’s about it, the Mustang doesn’t count because it’s driver run over people at cars and coffee.
Is this retirement or what? Either do car reviews the whole show or fade away so I can go ahead and remove this channel from subscriptions