Fun fact: Zorin OS was created 8 years ago by two brothers (surname Zorin) who had no programming experience and made the first version in just 9 months. They were 12 and 14 years old !
I fell immediately for Zorin because it looked even cooler than Windows and yet any Windows user could find his way in it immediately. I liked the dock very much. Less interesting was the brightness which made it tiring for the eyes and it seemed to ask for much power to run.
jawad mansoor ... As a doctor of philosophy perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you made a random self aggrandising reply to a TH-cam comment about some guys who wrote a Linux distribution
a more fun fact: i guess they modified a linux distro and tweaked it. anyone can take any kind of linux and rebrand it. why? because it is free open source.
At any rate, if something doesn't work with wine or playonlinux and similar, we can always do something else like finding a native linux version of the program or a native linux program that does exactly the same or use a virtual machine running windows XP or Windows 7. I think it's more complex than "making it wine compatible" but wine developers making sure they have put all the required features. For example, I am playing StarCraft and StarCraft II using PlayOnLinux, but I have to select Windows XP or Windows 2003 behavior for Blizzard App to display stuff correctly, otherwise it doesn't work well, (it seems it's not well refined in other windows versions) Also, all 64 bit versions of wine simply made Blizzard App crash, so I had to use the 32 bit versions of wine staging. I had to go through hell to figure all that out.
+Animal Facts, Rather then having software developers create products with compatibility for Wine, I would prefer more cross-platform (ie Mac OS, RPM and Deb based Linux compatibility).
+Mark Edworthy ... I agree wholeheartedly, but Wine compatibility would be a step toward gaining critical mass in the number of people using Linux Desktops.
Most certainly true. Yet, developers don't seem to care. For example, some Blizzard users have been asking for cross platform versions (or linux versions) of their games for many many years (I think I have seen posts in their forums from 2012 ) but they have not done anything in all these years.
I went from WindowsXP to Linux Mint 17.2, I'm still using the same install from almost 2 years ago and never looked back (and haven’t broken the install). I ditched all windows based apps and now use the Linux alternatives such as Gimp, InkScape, and of course Blender being a native Linux App already. My system is used to produce complex 3D content and renderings, I also have steam with a few AAA titles that run perfectly fine. I'm not a distro hopper nor am I a distro fanboy, I simply use what works out of the box, with the maximum amount of support, after all I am simply a Linux user not a Linux expert.
YOU have inspired me to expand my TESTING of Wine and Crossover using MINT. As a long time user of WINDOWS I am trying to cut the cord and sharing Linux with bright students using refurbished Pc's that are donated or purchased for under $58.00 but fully functional. Thanks for ALL your educational help and experience.
Chris is right of course that Wine is not a panacea, but I would note that it can work wonders, even if it is a bear to get a program running. The issues of "mimicking" a specific Direct X version can be sketchy, but I've also seen a windows client run BETTER on a Linux wine install than on a MORE POWERFUL hardware machine running Win 7 x64. When it comes to things like real performance Linux isn't just a good OS, when compared to MS Gatesware, Linux is a GREAT OS.
I had been in the same position for some time before working on this video! Wine is an eye-opener. It does not always work. But it is easy to experiment with, and can be very useful.
ExplainingComputers There's always AppDB on WineHQ that would help with getting a guideline of what works and what doesn't, though it's not perfect either - some test results are very old and are contributed by volunteers. (as far as I know)
Thank you sooo much! As you know the field of technology is so vast that one person cannot know it all. With your videos you help me cover significant gaps that I have. For example I have been testing distros of Linux for 20 years off and on .. and I did use wine many many years ago. But since then I had never tried it again. I even have zorin on a virtual machine but didn't realize that it has wine built into it. I have a huge collection of "portable apps" that should be able to work ... So I'll give them a try. You help bring excitement and fun back into computing. PS it's because of you that I now own 2 raspberry pi's. Thanks a bunch
It wasn't the program that reconfigured your operating system. The cinnamon desktop has a fallback mode that uses the old gnome desktop layout. If you restarted cinnamon, you wouldn't have had that layout anymore.
Just as you, I plan to abandon all things Windows (except for, perhaps, the very interesting ReactOS which I just learned about from you today!) prior to January, 2020. I had been playing (a little) with Ubuntu, but have found it to be frustrating. I am not a coder. I intend now to start again with LinuxMint. I have known of Wine for many years but a lot has changed since I moved on from my IT career. I feel lucky indeed to have found a great teacher in you. THANKS for all you do...
17:05 "I don't particularly like the way the program decided to reconfigure how I use my operating system but other than that I'm quite impressed with the installation" classic british humor :))
Always excellent quality video. Thank you for making the effort to provide real high res videos that we can see and read on screen! Ditching Windows in favour of a Linux distribution is difficult. Especially when some special features are contemplated such as ZFS and also when for business purposes, specific Windows applications must still be available, being through Wine, PlayOnLinux or CrossOver. It definitely does not guarantee it will work and then the final option is either VirtualBox or VMware at the rescue but then a full paid license for Windows is needed. Very tricky indeed. Great job, Thank you
"Bottle" is what CrossOver calls the Wine Prefixes. (each prefix is essentially its own virtual Windows computer.) Cinnamon is the Desktop Environment for Linux Mint Cinnamon. If that crashes it will fallback on a very simple DE that lets you finish what you where doing. That Cinnamon crashes is very rare now days (don't remember when it crashed for me last, and my Linux Mint Cinnamon computer is on 24h a day 365.25 days a year.) But if it happens its usually safe to just click yes when it asks you if you want to restart cinnamon. I would only recommend clicking No if your in the middle of something very sensitive. Like rendering or compiling something.
Thanks for this. Totally agree on normally clicking "Yes" and restarting. But highly inconvenient when making a video and having to reset an HDMI recorder and potentially having to uninstall everything in this video segment and start again! :)
Hey Chris, thanks for covering this topic. I have given serious thought to switching to Linux on all of my devices but the one thing that holds me back is the application support across the platforms. I used WINE several years ago but wasn't thrilled with the lack of available applications at the time. I'll definitely be checking into WINE again to see if I can jump the Microsoft ship for good now. Not that I dislike Windows, but rather that I like Linux better.
Wine could pretty much justify a permanent channel or subchannel all to itself, given all the variables involved in making it function: Wine itself, the Windows software, and the herd of Linuxes people will expect it to run on. I'm experiencing Windows 10 angst myself, glad to know I'm not alone.
Thank you for not pulling any punches in the final summary. I have been trying to find a way to stream xfinity (Adobe Flash) content on Linux using Wine, PlayOnLinux, etc. but have yet to find a way to do it other than running Win10 in a virtual machine. I really want to dump windows permanently, but the wife is not interested unless it fits all criteria in her ideal HTPC machine.
I run a linux distro on a USB stick (inside a controller) with Wine installed to run a self made Game & Watch look-a-like menu (32-bit program (called PC-Boy)) i made in the past with Delphi, that uses ZSNES in full screen mode to execute some games stored in a database. Early version of Windows is not easy possible on a USB stick, linux supports it out of the box and small in size. I was very surprised it works flawlessly, it's amazing. ZSNES is using DirectX 7 or 8 and execute without any drawbacks on almost any computer I own. Wine is great stuff, especially for older software.
If the windows program don't work with stable Wine version which is currently 2.0.3, you can try getting it to work with Wine Staging which is currently version 2.20, chances are windows program will work, if it still doesn't work, either Wine doesn't support it yet or windows program needs some .dll .net, visual basic, etc. dependencies to work. You can use PlayOnLinux to manage Wine versions and then try installing windows program to see if it work. Wine isn't a perfect solution, not yet. For now, you can install Windows in VirtualBox/VMWare Player on Linux and install/run your windows programs which is a near perfect solution. Use Wine for games and VirtualBox/VMWare Player for windows programs.
If you use QEMU instead of VirtualBox, you can get near native performance in Windows VM on Linux www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-and-configure-qemu-in-ubuntu/ Here's how fast it is th-cam.com/video/Ww2xpxkhitk/w-d-xo.html
Another very interesting and fun video to watch my friend. Thank you for making this. I am an exclusive Linux Mint user. No windows machines that do any heavy lifting. All the heavy lifting is done by my two linux machines. I do have a windows 10 machine that I toy around with when I have nothing better to do, but I love Linux and don't see that changing anytime soon. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video.
To those using iPhone... remember that there is no such thing as iTunes on linux, nor will it work over wine... So, the best option would be to install windows on a virtual machine software called virtualbox and install windows inside... Performance wont be very plesant, but it will work at the end... Got reminded of this and decided to share this after watching the video
I'll never understand why MS didn't include some sort of program like WINE on every version of Windows after WinXP. There are allot of games that I loved playing back in the 90's that won't run on modern Windows that will run in WINE and at times runs better than the version of Windows that it was intended for. Wine is a must for any Linux desktop/laptop. Would love to see a version of WINE for Retropie in the future to run old Win 9x games.
Hounddog Qix Here's a hint. Try classical solitaire on Windows 10. Refuses to run, needs cracking. Then any Windows update deletes it. Why? To have you pay for the Windows Store version.
True, but I'm talking about non-MS software like all the crap EA, Activation and other crap companies that developed/published games. I remember when Win 2000 came out, people were really upset because all the software they bought over the years wouldn't run on it at release (because NT wasn't compatible with 9x at that time). So their response was Windows ME (their worst ever OS). Then XP finally hit and because it had a good amount of backwards compatibility, folks were happy. Then Vista happened (for different reasons) so they were forced to do Win 7 (which was really good), then Win 8 happened (and everyone hated it), then Windows 10... ugh.. I hate Microsoft. I love my Linux setup but I still have to keep windows around for all the crap I bought in the past that doesn't run too good on WINE. One more off topic rant... When the hell will we get Ubuntu phones? They've had them in Europe and so far hasn't made it to the States (don't even dare call Android 'Linux' lol). Be nice to have access to terminal anywhere at anytime in my pocket.
To be fair to MS, they're not technically removing it. What happens is the old Windows install is completely moved and a fresh install of the new version is put in place. Non-Microsoft Software shouldn't be there anyway, and it's a great way to clean up current infections and/or leftovers from old infections. The same is done for the Users folder, then the individual users get imported into the new install. The real problem is twofold. One is MS dropped the games in the first place, despite being a part of the OS since the Windows 3.0 days. The other is there's so much hardcoded in them that they'll only work if you put them in Program Folders. The upshot is that you have to reinstall them 2-3 times a year, after every major Windows upgrade. It would be a different story if regular updates or Defender was removing them, but there's no sign that'll happen.
Excellent video, Christopher! I applaud your choice of Linux Mint, and I agree with your evaluation of Wine. The ideal solution of course, would be to convince software companies (such as Adobe) to create Linux versions of their Windows software.
They are essentially forcing people to use Windows 10 by not porting softwares and games to Linux on purpose. Is the only way to get them to port to Linux is refuse to buy windows softwares and games?
back in the day when wine came out, i would install drivers to my hardware i was using as if it was windows system. now its set up to try to run on all systems os and hardware. but back thin i got it to run game called "oni". thanks for your time in this video.
I have purchased a camcorder, wifi, etc. My system has a Debian Linux operating System (BOSS). I tried some of your suggestions, but my system is not responding. Kindly help me. I am willing to buy a software in Indian rupee. My budget is very low at present.
The fact this program exists and the developers have worked so long on it gives me a LOT of hope. I have many times said if someone develops a program or emulator that will run some Windows programs on Linus, Microsoft can screw itself. It has become more and more intrusive into our private lives and gotten more and more bloated and MUCH less dependable as far as security. Thank you so much for this video!
In fact crossover didn't reconfigure your UI. It was just the window manager (which draws your menus as well) which crashed while installing and as you chose not to restart it, it stayed in a gnome2 fail safe window manager.
I love seeing more and more people are willing to try some flavors of Linux(insert your favorite distro here) or form of BSD(TrueBSD Is nice for beginners) like Free or Net and Open BSD OSes and people willing to take the time and learn something new and getting a chance to understand how the computer they own can be a valuable tool instead of something they regret sitting down in front of. Great Video as always. Love this stuff. Thank you again.
I would like to see more technical stuff on this topic, like why a Windows program can't be run in Linux natively, what's the difference between Windows and Linux binaries, how does Wine or other programs for running Windows programs on Linux solve the problem, what works faster: a virtual machine or something like Wine, why, how they work.
Hi Chris, i have a question , i would love to know witch version of Zorin you are showing in this great video tutorial, yesterday i downloaded the Zorin-os-15-core iso but it does not look so much the same as the one you are using , still working fine tough
!s there a Kindle reader for Linux? Kindle Cloud Reader This solution actually works, and is usable not just on Linux but Chromebooks, and any other computer. It's a virtual Kindle device in a web browser. With the Kindle Cloud Reader, you access all the Kindle content you've purchased and can read it via your web browser.Dec 10, 2017 Reading Kindle books on Linux, supporting a switch to Linux
Wine is a project that dates back to the 1990's. During that time I was actively playing with Linux with very old distros. If you wanted a Linux GUI you usually installed XWindows.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks. I am impressed. Must try some things soon on my HP Mini with an Atom N570 CPU. I must first format a partition to install a Linux Distro. These look stunning with black (Dark) menu's and layout. Now being able to run Windows applications i see progress. You could do some benchmarks to let us see if apps run faster or have better use of hardware.
Awesome stuff yet again Chris, answered one of my doubts about Windows software on Linux that I had. Been considering the same thing with Windows 10 telemetry practices and all, will be testing and playing with Wine a bit on my Ubuntu laptop.
I'll seriously have to think about moving to Linux soon because as soon as Window 7 maintenance is ended I think it's game over, unless I buy an enterprise copy of windows 10 to completely disable hardcore telemetry.
Except you can't completely disable telemetry even on Windows 10 Enterprise, you can only set it to 0 Security in gpedit but not completely disable telemetry. The only way is to jail Windows 10 to VirtualBox or VMWare on Linux and keep Windows 10 VM disconnected from the internet.
Mystic Bardock LSSGSS What about filtering the the guest's traffic with a firewall or entries in the host's hosts file if you must have Internet connections on Windows guests?
MS ignores its own hosts file when it comes to their servers. The way around it is to use PeerBlock, pfSense, 3rd party antivirus firewall or if the Windows is in VirtualBox on Linux, keep Windows VM disconnected from internet or add MS servers to /etc/hosts file on Linux.
Mystic Bardock LSSGSS That's what I meant - putting MS servers on the hosts file for the Linux host to prevent the Windows guest from phoning home. ;P Though I eventually want to experiment with having a virtualized pfSense firewall and redirect all traffic to that running on a Proxmox host (AFAIK based on Debian)
I think that Wine and all of its spinoffs (like Valve's Proton) are making such quick and incredible improvements. I was able to fully switch from Windows to Linux and continue to play all of my Windows games without ever having to boot up Windows, either in a VM or separate partition. I've been playing my Windows games on Linux for almost a year now and I still can't believe how well everything works. My games basically run as they would on Windows, or even better!
oh wow, you use lightwave? very surprising to see that revelation pop up on your channel (which is terrific btw). my workflow is primarily maya based now with zbrush for hires organics but i still use lw (9.65) with the 3rd powers tools and lwcad for low poly modeling.
Thanks for this particular video! I know it's not a new one, but I remembered it -- like a good reference book -- now that I need to try using Wine myself.
I remember looking at Wine a *long* time ago - right around the turn of the millennium - because the place I worked at at the time had like 500 PCs running Windows 98, and it was going to be *very* pricey to update them all to the newest version of Windows, so we were looking at alternatives to sending tons of money to Microsoft. And in almost 20 years of innovation and upgrades, Wine *still* has issues. Because Windows keeps getting upgraded, new Windows apps get released, and old Windows apps get updated. There will never be a “perfect” solution - Wine will always be playing catch-up, no matter how good it gets.
The AppDB tab of the winehq.org site is invaluable for instances when an windows program install doesn't go quite right. In fact, I recommend looking up the program in question in the AppDB before you even attempt the install for guidance on how to navigate any known problems that may arise.
Wine is actually far more compatible than a beginner experience let's on. Your best resource is the Wine Application Database, where you'll find in depth information about most programs, including several obscure ones, detailing which version of the program runs on which version of wine and any additional requirements to make it run. In your examples of programs that failed, it's pretty likely you need the .net framework, some programs use the assumed installed by default one, but wine doesn't include this as it's proprietary. Save for gaming, wine is the best option for anybody who wants to keep using their computers without being monitored in a post-windows 8 world
I dual boot Linux 18.2 & Win7. Use Win7 maybe once a week to do something in Office 2010, which is a little nicer than Libre Office, but generally LO is more than sufficient. The dual boot option is NO PROBLEM. If you require MS specific programs dual boot or just stay with Windows and keep paying for Antivirus and Internet Security and Office and Adobe 7........ You really must tell people about NoScript - AWESOME security for browsing on Firefox.
Nice explanation as always. Been trying to figure how to leave windows since Windows 10 convinced me to move to Linux. I have a Mac & 2 PCs, one with win7 and the other Zorin. Win10 showed me Microsoft is never going to write a reliable os again. Linux has the same problem as Mac, not enough native programs.
17:00 It didn't reconfigure your operating system, but Linux Mint's desktop crashed, then started back up in Fallback mode without its normal 3d acceleration and such. It's actually not uncommon for mint's desktop to crash when you're using 3D applications.
Wine definitely isn't all plug&play in the sense that every program or game runs perfect as it would on a proper configured Windows. However, I also use to follow the projects for a couple of years now, starting back in 2004 with some really early version that could run simple Flash games at best (and CS1.6 apparently which I didn't had back then) and ran on good old Knoppix3.7 with Linux kernel version 2.4. Wine 2.0 is not too old actually either, it brought some long awaited improvements and development is still going on. Of course, for those who want to play games these days, Steam offers many many games also natively to Linux by now but some classics like Age of Empires II would still need a Windows installation running which is were Wine fits in greatly. Newer stuff on the other hand still likes to crash a lot, that's no surprise given the complexity of most software these days. Still Wine is better than many people like it to be, I definitely find the project very fascinating to follow and still like to try out running Windows software with that overlay under my current Kubuntu 16.04 setup. Nonetheless I also like to cross the river thus I also run Windows10 Pro with excitement (haven't run macOS in a while however) :> Great video there, also because I have no experience with Crossover so far. I still recommend both dualboot and virtual machines however, in cases there is software like the Kindle program or Microsoft Office that just won't work fine with Wine yet. Thumbs up!
+ExplainingComputers / Christopher, I am very happy that you have eventually reviewed Wine and Crossover (I have been waiting for your review for a while). Just notice, after checking the version of Wine on my daily workstation, I have noticed that I am still running v1.8.6. As a KDE (version 4.14.9 - QT v4.8.6) user, I prefer to use Q4Wine as a front-end wrapper. Something that should be mentioned is that Wine is only available for x86 and x86_64 for platforms and not available for ARM based platforms (even though, in theory, it could be possible to compile a ARM based Wine installation from source, albeit would be very slow to run). Would like to see a review of various hypervisor / virtualisation technologies (ie. Xen, KVM /QEmu and VirtualBox) as an alternative to run MS Windows environments (especially VirtualBox "seamless / window tear modes"). Also, if in the future, you do review various virtualisation technologies, please also cite the issues surrounding Microsoft EULAs and virtualisation usage. A off-topic point, just wonder if you had any further ideas about alternative (open source based) G.Drive solutions (hope you received my e-mail that suggested the usage of Nextcloud and Collabora Online as an alternative solution). I have some extra information for you about Drive / Docs TOS that I will send via e-mail to you a later today.
If anything, I would continue using Windows 10, considering there are just way too many programs that I still need to use, and I'm not a huge fan of Linux, but I would use Linux to do development stuff, because it's kind of better for programming.
The best solution for running Widows on a Linux machine is to use Virtualbox. It is a little bit of a process to setup properly but from there everything seems to work quite well.
Once I tried wine on Mint, to run a audio recording program called Reaper. But I had some complications with sound card drivers and with some plugins (mini apps you run into Reaper). but overall it was a good experience, In a emergency I could record with Linux Mint and Wine.
Sound on Linux can be complicated. In a lot of places I'd even say rough, or unfinished. Development can be frustratingly slow at times, or at a standstill. How well sound works is often also down to what hardware you have. If you really invest yourself into getting things to work you can still achieve some impressive sound related things in Linux though. But it isn't always point, click, and shoot.
Linux is a good OS. There is a reason I have a Windows box and a Linux box however. I play on both OS's strengths so to speak. I made a Linux gaming box. However, the amount of work that went into making that thing work was just too much. I use Windows for gaming and Linux for everything else that I can use it for without Windows program requirements. Mainly, Linux for work and Windows for play. Though I do have some Linux games downloaded that provide me with entertainment and some Windows programs that are just easier to use than their Linux equivalent. Been a Linux user and contributor since 1997 though the last time I contributed was back in 2013. That was the last time I had a computer. I dug this thin client out of the trash, upgraded the ram and put an actual OS on it. I'm back in the saddle and looking at the changes that have occurred over seven years. I'm impressed.
Excellent video, as always! :) As Despondent mentioned, Cinnamon crashing will result in an altered fallback mode. I just wanted to mention that in my experience of using Cinnamon on both Mint and other Linux distros, it seems to crash like this fairly regularly (maybe something to do with Nvidia graphics and their proprietary driver?). Due to this, I generally opt to use other Desktop Environments that are more stable, such as MATE, Budgie, or even KDE. Also, something you may wish to investigate in the future is using Windows exclusively in a Virtual Machine on Linux, with a secondary GPU for PCI-Passthrough. What this does is enable you to have full Windows compatibility and performance, while keeping Windows safely contained within a sand-boxed VM. I plan on pursuing this myself in the future, as I simply refuse to adopt Windows 10 due to privacy concerns. If you'd like to learn more about this, I would suggest watching Wendell's video from Level1Techs on the subject, as well as visiting the r/VFIO subreddit on Reddit. Here is the link to the video: th-cam.com/video/16dbAUrtMX4/w-d-xo.html
@@chuctanundaspiderbone5407 Windows runs in a separate "window" within the VM (Virtual Machine) once you start up the VM. You would install the Windows programs within the VM just as you would install them on a Windows PC.
I had an older Win 7 PC sitting in the corner for a year and a half; it had been superseded by our "new" refurbished Win 10 Pro PC. I wiped the old PC's hard drive with DBAN and installed Linux Mint. I then installed VirtualBox, set up a VM and then installed Win 10 to the VM. The install process accepted our old Win 7 Home registration code and permitted me to install Win 10 Home. I then installed a licensed copy of Microsoft 365 (FKA Microsoft Office) to the VM. I started doing this Linux business about a month ago because I had read that the install process for Windows 11 (which I want to check out once it comes out) does not check hardware requirements if you are installing it in a VM. Our old PC has a 4th-generation i5 and our newer PC has a 4th-generation i7 so neither one meets the Windows 11 system requirements. So I figured OK, perfect use for our old PC. Additionally, I get to play with Linux and it's nice to have a second machine around the house. It's also perfect for my wife since almost all she does on a PC is check email and go on the Internet. We already were using Thunderbird for email on the new PC so having it on the Linux PC was a bonus. I set up Thunderbird on each PC so that messages are left on the ISP's server for 100 days so we can download messages to each PC without one PC interfering with the other. Also, the database for our password manager, KeePass, is in the same format as that used by KeePass XC that I installed on the Linux PC so I just copied the database file from the new PC to the old PC. I just have to make sure that whenever I make changes or additions on KeePass that I copy the database file again back to the Linux PC so that they're in sync (KeePass does not store passwords in the cloud).
I had some practice with linux on my raspberry pi. I switched to linux today and the only problem is I can't overclock my display. I brought a 144hz display that doesn't work on 144hz and only works on 142hz and defaults to 120hz.
Amazon made sure it would not work on anything other than real Windows. There was a linux version which they discontinued. Microsoft's likely had a role in their decision - crush the competition - A senior Microsoft executive once described open source as a "cesspit".
A problem in Mint 20 is that some software (win-software) that doesn't run in Mint or couldn't even be installed, cannot be deleted within Wine. The software I created my self with VB6 long ago (and reprogrammed some last year) do run properly. The ones created by VB3 cannot be installed. And in Win10 they anyway don't run anyway. As to Zorin I liked it years ago, but don't anymore. The software which is undeletable is not mine, even not those old ones, but common software.
Some programs need to access specific hardware for which they need a hardware driver. For instance, I have a Hantek USB oscilloscope that requires a driver installed and recognised. However, on Linux, this cannot be done. Linux DOES NOT offer the possibility of using ANY Windows driver. There is NDisWrapper, but this is to support using wifi drivers with the Linux kernel. There is NO other interface to use other drivers for other hardware besides wifis. I tried to extract the firmware from the Windows driver but failed, and compiling the source code was a really long contorted journey with many hours wasted and with great frustration. It is really very unproductive that there is no generic Windows driver interface for Linux.
Excellent tutorial. You should have mentioned that it is no usually a good idea to install from outside you distro's repository as tit could cause issues with your install. There is also the VirtualBox option to be able to run Windows O/S and then run programs from within that.
Sorry, I've not gone that far I'm afraid. The video provides an overview of Wine, PlayOnLinux, Winetricks and Crossover. An eyeopener, hopefully, for Windows users and those new to Linux.
ExplainingComputers In my experience it's less painful to install windows in Virtualbox and enable directx support. Of course WINE doesn't require to have a license but it sometimes require to check crash logs if you are missing some exotic .dll and your windows application crashes.
Wine (like MS Windows) can be a real pain when selecting .dll libraries. I have recently been playing around with some cryptocoin utilities and found some very interesting Windows based tools, which I spent over a half a day trying to work with Wine. I would agree with +James Owens about using VirtualBox (or another virtulisation / hypervisor framework, ie. Xen or KVM QEmu) as a viable alternative solution. One caveat, I would suggest that whilst running MS Windows within a virtual environment is a possible solution, depending on the edition of MS Windows, the user could be violating their Microsoft End-User License Agreement (and could be considered as running MS Windows illegally). Like most things these days,always fully review EULAs, Terms of service and other legal documents before proceeding.
Michael Ulmer TBH i think this is the main reason Linux desktop is not widely adopted by normal users. Microsoft Office, i read a comment somewhere that Wine 3.0 may support MS Office 2003 lol.
While have linux on some of my computer, but Wine hasn't been somethin I haven't experimented with. There are several Windows program I used a lot, in some cases they will never be udated to use on later Windows addition, or will have linux version. Thanks for producing this video.
Chris, one way you could alleviate WINE's shortcomings is to run a Windows virtual machine to run the pesky apps that won't run under WINE directly. You'd need a semi-beefy system to essentially run both OSes at once, but thatd' allow stuff to work, like your Amazon reader drivers. I know that's not what the point of this video was, but that's what I can think of to make what you demonstrated at the end.
don't criticize him - he is a very good person. He told me all about the phyton2 and i learnd programm to this videos in 2weeks! He is a Super teacher.
As a web developer, I tried to switch to Linux as my main OS several times over the last 15 years and almost every time it was Photoshop that brought me back to Windows. Nearly 3 years ago though I switched to Ubuntu on my main machine and haven't gone back, mostly because I do less Photoshop work these days. First thing Monday though I'll be trying to install Photoshop from PlayOnLinux which will be incredibly handy if it works! Either way, another incredibly interesting and potentially very useful video!
Paul Feakins I would recommend GIMP as a replacement to photoshop It's free and open source and on the same level of performance with photoshop It's great for either newbies or professionals You can find it in the Ubuntu Repository
Indeed, GIMP is great and I use it where I can but Photoshop is the industry standard and all designs supplied from other companies / freelancers are always PSDs. GIMP can open them - sort of - but not well enough to work with them properly.
Paul Feakins i understand your point and you're right :) Honestly I gave up on all Adobe software since there were alternatives that worked great with me on Linux. DaVinci Resolve and GIMP and Blender replaced my needs for Adobe Premiere And Photoshop I haven't tried Photoshop in wine so I am not sure it will work. But good luck with running it on wine and I hope it works for you.
Thank you, I'm looking forward to it. And I agree, GIMP is great, it's just that you have to use whatever software the rest of your industry uses if you're frequently collaborating which everyone is!
Lindows seems to be the only OS to natively install windows programs without the BS of Wine and Crossover. It's 2018, why hasn't any Linux distro adopted this? Make it optional too, so people who don't want viruses etc on their Linux machines can choose not to install the native support for it, but those transitioning from Windows to Linux and want to keep their programs at 100% compatibility can choose to have this support. It's stupid to have to pay 3rd party to use Win programs on Linux. Windows is free if you pirate it, Linux claims to be free but you MUST pay to use your win programs... way to go Linux world!
You can pirate Crossover ;) but then again, compatibility is nonexistent. RPG Maker 2003 still doesn't work lol. RPGMV works though, but it has a Linux Version anyway.
Here's a recommendation for people looking to game with Wine: Gallium Nine. It's an extension that allows barebone D3D9 calls to execute without any conversion to OpenGL, extracting the most of your hardware's performance. I strongly recommend it with Source-based games.
I can see latest Wine Staging in PlayOnLinux Manage Wine Versions but not Gallium Nine. I wonder why, maybe you should suggest developers on PlayOnLinux forum to add Gallium Nine.
Windows deserves to become a legacy games platform and then die. There's nothing productivity-wise you can do with it that you can't do better with Unix.
What I have discovered that with any version of Wine and PlayOnLinux, none of it works or works with pretty crap results. Sony ACID, Sony Vegas, Forge, Adobe PS, Lightroom and bunch more either fail to load, install or crash right after starting. The two that do start Adobe PS and a HDR programme look horrible and pixelated. Next, I will watch your video on running Win7 in VirtualBox and see how that goes. I have 32GB of RAM so no worries there. Thanks for your effort in making these videos.
Me while learning English: "ok, cool, this is pretty easy to understand. I like it" Also me hearing British accent: .__. Edit: very good video. Helped me a lot. Tysm. :)
I am struggling to get Word Perfect 6 for Windows to install in Linux Mint. I get all the way through the install process but a popup window is unreadable to finish the installation. It's only an inch by an inch and a half square. Wine isn't getting it and POL isn't working either.
This guy reminds me of the science tv programs we had back in the early 80's.. This guy is so cool!!! Thanks for all your videos!
:)
Indeed, that's probably why I watched and learned all the way through. Good work.
I was born in the end of 90's, so i don't know that science programs. But, that guy explanation are easy to understand, i like it :)
Must be him. I mean look at him. He looks like stuck in the 1980's. His clothes, his spectacles, his hair, and his passion for computers.
I missed out on those times, but as a younger viewer I can agree, this is great content!
Fun fact: Zorin OS was created 8 years ago by two brothers (surname Zorin) who had no programming experience and made the first version in just 9 months. They were 12 and 14 years old !
I fell immediately for Zorin because it looked even cooler than Windows and yet any Windows user could find his way in it immediately. I liked the dock very much. Less interesting was the brightness which made it tiring for the eyes and it seemed to ask for much power to run.
how is that awesome they just made a linux distribution
jawad mansoor ... As a doctor of philosophy perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you made a random self aggrandising reply to a TH-cam comment about some guys who wrote a Linux distribution
a more fun fact: i guess they modified a linux distro and tweaked it. anyone can take any kind of linux and rebrand it. why? because it is free open source.
holy shit!😲
If software developers would at least make sure their products were Wine compatible, the world would be a better place.
Now this is so true! :)
At any rate, if something doesn't work with wine or playonlinux and similar, we can always do something else like finding a native linux version of the program or a native linux program that does exactly the same or use a virtual machine running windows XP or Windows 7. I think it's more complex than "making it wine compatible" but wine developers making sure they have put all the required features. For example, I am playing StarCraft and StarCraft II using PlayOnLinux, but I have to select Windows XP or Windows 2003 behavior for Blizzard App to display stuff correctly, otherwise it doesn't work well, (it seems it's not well refined in other windows versions)
Also, all 64 bit versions of wine simply made Blizzard App crash, so I had to use the 32 bit versions of wine staging. I had to go through hell to figure all that out.
+Animal Facts,
Rather then having software developers create products with compatibility for Wine, I would prefer more cross-platform (ie Mac OS, RPM and Deb based Linux compatibility).
+Mark Edworthy ... I agree wholeheartedly, but Wine compatibility would be a step toward gaining critical mass in the number of people using Linux Desktops.
Most certainly true. Yet, developers don't seem to care. For example, some Blizzard users have been asking for cross platform versions (or linux versions) of their games for many many years (I think I have seen posts in their forums from 2012 ) but they have not done anything in all these years.
I went from WindowsXP to Linux Mint 17.2, I'm still using the same install from almost 2 years ago and never looked back (and haven’t broken the install). I ditched all windows based apps and now use the Linux alternatives such as Gimp, InkScape, and of course Blender being a native Linux App already. My system is used to produce complex 3D content and renderings, I also have steam with a few AAA titles that run perfectly fine. I'm not a distro hopper nor am I a distro fanboy, I simply use what works out of the box, with the maximum amount of support, after all I am simply a Linux user not a Linux expert.
YOU have inspired me to expand my TESTING of Wine and Crossover using MINT. As a long time user of WINDOWS I am trying to cut the cord and sharing Linux with bright students using refurbished Pc's that are donated or purchased for under $58.00 but fully functional. Thanks for ALL your educational help and experience.
Excellent --good luck! :)
Chris is right of course that Wine is not a panacea, but I would note that it can work wonders, even if it is a bear to get a program running. The issues of "mimicking" a specific Direct X version can be sketchy, but I've also seen a windows client run BETTER on a Linux wine install than on a MORE POWERFUL hardware machine running Win 7 x64. When it comes to things like real performance Linux isn't just a good OS, when compared to MS Gatesware, Linux is a GREAT OS.
I've been transitioning to Linux and have heard of Wine but not had the time to investigate. This video was very helpful. Thank you.
I had been in the same position for some time before working on this video! Wine is an eye-opener. It does not always work. But it is easy to experiment with, and can be very useful.
I think installing windows in a virtual machine is a better solution than than using wine.
Clarissa Chan well I tried both and a virtual machine in my case is way better. I just said that so other ppl can try it out and judge for themselves.
For windows applications, virtual machine is near perfect solution.
ExplainingComputers There's always AppDB on WineHQ that would help with getting a guideline of what works and what doesn't, though it's not perfect either - some test results are very old and are contributed by volunteers. (as far as I know)
Thanks, 4 years later and I'm needing Wine on my Zorin machine. Thanks for explaining computers. 👍👍
Greetings! :)
Excellent. That's given me some helpful clues on how to get out of the W11 pit
It's nice to see the Linux users community creating these projects to make things more easier to newbies :)
Thank you sooo much! As you know the field of technology is so vast that one person cannot know it all. With your videos you help me cover significant gaps that I have. For example I have been testing distros of Linux for 20 years off and on .. and I did use wine many many years ago. But since then I had never tried it again. I even have zorin on a virtual machine but didn't realize that it has wine built into it. I have a huge collection of "portable apps" that should be able to work ... So I'll give them a try. You help bring excitement and fun back into computing. PS it's because of you that I now own 2 raspberry pi's. Thanks a bunch
It wasn't the program that reconfigured your operating system. The cinnamon desktop has a fallback mode that uses the old gnome desktop layout. If you restarted cinnamon, you wouldn't have had that layout anymore.
Ah, I see. Thanks for this.
It falls back to Mate desktop layout.
@@Xeno_Bardock Mate is based on old gnome
Just as you, I plan to abandon all things Windows (except for, perhaps, the very interesting ReactOS which I just learned about from you today!) prior to January, 2020. I had been playing (a little) with Ubuntu, but have found it to be frustrating. I am not a coder. I intend now to start again with LinuxMint. I have known of Wine for many years but a lot has changed since I moved on from my IT career. I feel lucky indeed to have found a great teacher in you. THANKS for all you do...
Thank you for taking the time to make another video and share it with all of us. I really enjoy your Channel, good show!
Thanks.
17:05 "I don't particularly like the way the program decided to reconfigure how I use my operating system but other than that I'm quite impressed with the installation" classic british humor :))
Always excellent quality video. Thank you for making the effort to provide real high res videos that we can see and read on screen! Ditching Windows in favour of a Linux distribution is difficult. Especially when some special features are contemplated such as ZFS and also when for business purposes, specific Windows applications must still be available, being through Wine, PlayOnLinux or CrossOver. It definitely does not guarantee it will work and then the final option is either VirtualBox or VMware at the rescue but then a full paid license for Windows is needed.
Very tricky indeed.
Great job, Thank you
Very tricky indeed -- there are no optimal solutions now.
"Bottle" is what CrossOver calls the Wine Prefixes. (each prefix is essentially its own virtual Windows computer.)
Cinnamon is the Desktop Environment for Linux Mint Cinnamon. If that crashes it will fallback on a very simple DE that lets you finish what you where doing.
That Cinnamon crashes is very rare now days (don't remember when it crashed for me last, and my Linux Mint Cinnamon computer is on 24h a day 365.25 days a year.)
But if it happens its usually safe to just click yes when it asks you if you want to restart cinnamon. I would only recommend clicking No if your in the middle of something very sensitive. Like rendering or compiling something.
Thanks for this. Totally agree on normally clicking "Yes" and restarting. But highly inconvenient when making a video and having to reset an HDMI recorder and potentially having to uninstall everything in this video segment and start again! :)
One of the most useful videos ever on the channel. Congratulations !
Thanks! :)
Hey Chris, thanks for covering this topic. I have given serious thought to switching to Linux on all of my devices but the one thing that holds me back is the application support across the platforms. I used WINE several years ago but wasn't thrilled with the lack of available applications at the time. I'll definitely be checking into WINE again to see if I can jump the Microsoft ship for good now. Not that I dislike Windows, but rather that I like Linux better.
Wine could pretty much justify a permanent channel or subchannel all to itself, given all the variables involved in making it function: Wine itself, the Windows software, and the herd of Linuxes people will expect it to run on.
I'm experiencing Windows 10 angst myself, glad to know I'm not alone.
When I switched to Mint (after watching one of your videos) I just dropped all Windows programs. Most the freewear programs I use are on Linux anyway.
And this has been possible, with some adaptations and adjustments, for several years now. Linux has become a very robust platform.
It's becoming possible to run Microsoft Office 2003 on Wine 2.0.3 as well. And Wine Stable is at 3.0 now
@@ClaireAzi have you tried using libreoffice?
@@KD-xp4di of course.
@@KD-xp4di i like libre office it comes with everything that Office Professional comes with and most all its FREE!
Thank you for not pulling any punches in the final summary. I have been trying to find a way to stream xfinity (Adobe Flash) content on Linux using Wine, PlayOnLinux, etc. but have yet to find a way to do it other than running Win10 in a virtual machine. I really want to dump windows permanently, but the wife is not interested unless it fits all criteria in her ideal HTPC machine.
Really interesting - didn't realize it was possible to run some windows apps was possible on Linux distros.
I run a linux distro on a USB stick (inside a controller) with Wine installed to run a self made Game & Watch look-a-like menu (32-bit program (called PC-Boy)) i made in the past with Delphi, that uses ZSNES in full screen mode to execute some games stored in a database. Early version of Windows is not easy possible on a USB stick, linux supports it out of the box and small in size. I was very surprised it works flawlessly, it's amazing. ZSNES is using DirectX 7 or 8 and execute without any drawbacks on almost any computer I own. Wine is great stuff, especially for older software.
If the windows program don't work with stable Wine version which is currently 2.0.3, you can try getting it to work with Wine Staging which is currently version 2.20, chances are windows program will work, if it still doesn't work, either Wine doesn't support it yet or windows program needs some .dll .net, visual basic, etc. dependencies to work. You can use PlayOnLinux to manage Wine versions and then try installing windows program to see if it work.
Wine isn't a perfect solution, not yet. For now, you can install Windows in VirtualBox/VMWare Player on Linux and install/run your windows programs which is a near perfect solution.
Use Wine for games and VirtualBox/VMWare Player for windows programs.
vmware player runs well with nvidia, I'm not sure amd cards or amd mesa drivers.
If you use QEMU instead of VirtualBox, you can get near native performance in Windows VM on Linux www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-and-configure-qemu-in-ubuntu/ Here's how fast it is th-cam.com/video/Ww2xpxkhitk/w-d-xo.html
Another very interesting and fun video to watch my friend. Thank you for making this. I am an exclusive Linux Mint user. No windows machines that do any heavy lifting. All the heavy lifting is done by my two linux machines. I do have a windows 10 machine that I toy around with when I have nothing better to do, but I love Linux and don't see that changing anytime soon. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video.
Many thanks. :)
We just covered up a person! That's probably illegal!
Only if they're not white and/or male, lol. Then it's not only illegal but it's just plain "racist" and/or "sexist" too. :-P
loool
Haha! I was about to quote this too.
we cover a person this is illegal - that is con greet!
To those using iPhone... remember that there is no such thing as iTunes on linux, nor will it work over wine... So, the best option would be to install windows on a virtual machine software called virtualbox and install windows inside... Performance wont be very plesant, but it will work at the end...
Got reminded of this and decided to share this after watching the video
I'll never understand why MS didn't include some sort of program like WINE on every version of Windows after WinXP. There are allot of games that I loved playing back in the 90's that won't run on modern Windows that will run in WINE and at times runs better than the version of Windows that it was intended for. Wine is a must for any Linux desktop/laptop. Would love to see a version of WINE for Retropie in the future to run old Win 9x games.
Hounddog Qix Here's a hint. Try classical solitaire on Windows 10. Refuses to run, needs cracking. Then any Windows update deletes it. Why? To have you pay for the Windows Store version.
True, but I'm talking about non-MS software like all the crap EA, Activation and other crap companies that developed/published games. I remember when Win 2000 came out, people were really upset because all the software they bought over the years wouldn't run on it at release (because NT wasn't compatible with 9x at that time). So their response was Windows ME (their worst ever OS). Then XP finally hit and because it had a good amount of backwards compatibility, folks were happy. Then Vista happened (for different reasons) so they were forced to do Win 7 (which was really good), then Win 8 happened (and everyone hated it), then Windows 10... ugh.. I hate Microsoft. I love my Linux setup but I still have to keep windows around for all the crap I bought in the past that doesn't run too good on WINE. One more off topic rant... When the hell will we get Ubuntu phones? They've had them in Europe and so far hasn't made it to the States (don't even dare call Android 'Linux' lol). Be nice to have access to terminal anywhere at anytime in my pocket.
To be fair to MS, they're not technically removing it. What happens is the old Windows install is completely moved and a fresh install of the new version is put in place. Non-Microsoft Software shouldn't be there anyway, and it's a great way to clean up current infections and/or leftovers from old infections. The same is done for the Users folder, then the individual users get imported into the new install.
The real problem is twofold. One is MS dropped the games in the first place, despite being a part of the OS since the Windows 3.0 days. The other is there's so much hardcoded in them that they'll only work if you put them in Program Folders. The upshot is that you have to reinstall them 2-3 times a year, after every major Windows upgrade. It would be a different story if regular updates or Defender was removing them, but there's no sign that'll happen.
Ubuntu Phone is dead since when Canonical dropped Unity development
$$$
Excellent video, Christopher!
I applaud your choice of Linux Mint, and I agree with your evaluation of Wine. The ideal solution of course, would be to convince software companies (such as Adobe) to create Linux versions of their Windows software.
Absolutely. If the main Adobe suite were on Linux (even given their rental model), as well as LightWave, I would have switched to Linux years ago.
They are essentially forcing people to use Windows 10 by not porting softwares and games to Linux on purpose. Is the only way to get them to port to Linux is refuse to buy windows softwares and games?
"... We're in LightWave head! Wasn't expecting to do that today." I like your commentary 😀👍
back in the day when wine came out, i would install drivers to my hardware i was using as if it was windows system.
now its set up to try to run on all systems os and hardware. but back thin i got it to run game called "oni".
thanks for your time in this video.
I have purchased a camcorder, wifi, etc. My system has a Debian Linux operating System (BOSS). I tried some of your suggestions, but my system is not responding. Kindly help me. I am willing to buy a software in Indian rupee. My budget is very low at present.
The fact this program exists and the developers have worked so long on it gives me a LOT of hope. I have many times said if someone develops a program or emulator that will run some Windows programs on Linus, Microsoft can screw itself. It has become more and more intrusive into our private lives and gotten more and more bloated and MUCH less dependable as far as security. Thank you so much for this video!
In fact crossover didn't reconfigure your UI. It was just the window manager (which draws your menus as well) which crashed while installing and as you chose not to restart it, it stayed in a gnome2 fail safe window manager.
Yes, as I now understand. Thanks. :)
I love seeing more and more people are willing to try some flavors of Linux(insert your favorite distro here) or form of BSD(TrueBSD Is nice for beginners) like Free or Net and Open BSD OSes and people willing to take the time and learn something new and getting a chance to understand how the computer they own can be a valuable tool instead of something they regret sitting down in front of. Great Video as always. Love this stuff. Thank you again.
There is also lutris for games, it uses wine as well.
I would like to see more technical stuff on this topic, like why a Windows program can't be run in Linux natively, what's the difference between Windows and Linux binaries, how does Wine or other programs for running Windows programs on Linux solve the problem, what works faster: a virtual machine or something like Wine, why, how they work.
So apparently photoshop cs4 and cs6 work with Wine, huh, I just assumed photoshop was too much for Wine, I may make a switch for Linux now.
As always well done I am addicted to your videos very clear explanations
Absolutely top quality channel and videos. Thank you sir.
So crossover is better than Wine and play on linux?
In theory, yes. ;)
Thank you for promoting Linux !
Hi Chris, i have a question , i would love to know witch version of Zorin you are showing in this great video tutorial, yesterday i downloaded the Zorin-os-15-core iso but it does not look so much the same as the one you are using , still working fine tough
It was certainly not ZorinOS 15 here -- but I am planning a Zorin OS 15 video very soon! :)
@@ExplainingComputers Thx a lot for the real quick response Chris im looking forward to it
!s there a Kindle reader for Linux?
Kindle Cloud Reader
This solution actually works, and is usable not just on Linux but Chromebooks, and any other computer. It's a virtual Kindle device in a web browser. With the Kindle Cloud Reader, you access all the Kindle content you've purchased and can read it via your web browser.Dec 10, 2017
Reading Kindle books on Linux, supporting a switch to Linux
Wine is a project that dates back to the 1990's. During that time I was actively playing with Linux with very old distros. If you wanted a Linux GUI you usually installed XWindows.
Absolutely brilliant, thanks. I am impressed. Must try some things soon on my HP Mini with an Atom N570 CPU. I must first format a partition to install a Linux Distro. These look stunning with black (Dark) menu's and layout. Now being able to run Windows applications i see progress. You could do some benchmarks to let us see if apps run faster or have better use of hardware.
Awesome stuff yet again Chris, answered one of my doubts about Windows software on Linux that I had. Been considering the same thing with Windows 10 telemetry practices and all, will be testing and playing with Wine a bit on my Ubuntu laptop.
I'll seriously have to think about moving to Linux soon because as soon as Window 7 maintenance is ended I think it's game over, unless I buy an enterprise copy of windows 10 to completely disable hardcore telemetry.
ARRRRRRRRRRRR A pirates life for me!!!
Except you can't completely disable telemetry even on Windows 10 Enterprise, you can only set it to 0 Security in gpedit but not completely disable telemetry. The only way is to jail Windows 10 to VirtualBox or VMWare on Linux and keep Windows 10 VM disconnected from the internet.
Mystic Bardock LSSGSS What about filtering the the guest's traffic with a firewall or entries in the host's hosts file if you must have Internet connections on Windows guests?
MS ignores its own hosts file when it comes to their servers. The way around it is to use PeerBlock, pfSense, 3rd party antivirus firewall or if the Windows is in VirtualBox on Linux, keep Windows VM disconnected from internet or add MS servers to /etc/hosts file on Linux.
Mystic Bardock LSSGSS That's what I meant - putting MS servers on the hosts file for the Linux host to prevent the Windows guest from phoning home. ;P
Though I eventually want to experiment with having a virtualized pfSense firewall and redirect all traffic to that running on a Proxmox host (AFAIK based on Debian)
I think that Wine and all of its spinoffs (like Valve's Proton) are making such quick and incredible improvements. I was able to fully switch from Windows to Linux and continue to play all of my Windows games without ever having to boot up Windows, either in a VM or separate partition. I've been playing my Windows games on Linux for almost a year now and I still can't believe how well everything works. My games basically run as they would on Windows, or even better!
This is really interesting feedback -- thanks for sharing.
oh wow, you use lightwave? very surprising to see that revelation pop up on your channel (which is terrific btw). my workflow is primarily maya based now with zbrush for hires organics but i still use lw (9.65) with the 3rd powers tools and lwcad for low poly modeling.
Thanks for this particular video! I know it's not a new one, but I remembered it -- like a good reference book -- now that I need to try using Wine myself.
I have a desktop with Mint that works great but I haven't used it much. I think I will try it.
another professional production. love it.
I remember looking at Wine a *long* time ago - right around the turn of the millennium - because the place I worked at at the time had like 500 PCs running Windows 98, and it was going to be *very* pricey to update them all to the newest version of Windows, so we were looking at alternatives to sending tons of money to Microsoft. And in almost 20 years of innovation and upgrades, Wine *still* has issues. Because Windows keeps getting upgraded, new Windows apps get released, and old Windows apps get updated. There will never be a “perfect” solution - Wine will always be playing catch-up, no matter how good it gets.
True on the catch-up thing.
The AppDB tab of the winehq.org site is invaluable for instances when an windows program install doesn't go quite right. In fact, I recommend looking up the program in question in the AppDB before you even attempt the install for guidance on how to navigate any known problems that may arise.
Thnx,as a Linux newbie I can use the help .
Wine is actually far more compatible than a beginner experience let's on. Your best resource is the Wine Application Database, where you'll find in depth information about most programs, including several obscure ones, detailing which version of the program runs on which version of wine and any additional requirements to make it run. In your examples of programs that failed, it's pretty likely you need the .net framework, some programs use the assumed installed by default one, but wine doesn't include this as it's proprietary.
Save for gaming, wine is the best option for anybody who wants to keep using their computers without being monitored in a post-windows 8 world
Works both ways there are a couple of progs I use in Linux for which there isn't really a full Windows alternative. Ho hum.
Good morning, buddy. Thank you for this report. Congratulations.
thanx for your tutorials, love them!
I dual boot Linux 18.2 & Win7. Use Win7 maybe once a week to do something in Office 2010, which is a little nicer than Libre Office, but generally LO is more than sufficient. The dual boot option is NO PROBLEM. If you require MS specific programs dual boot or just stay with Windows and keep paying for Antivirus and Internet Security and Office and Adobe 7........ You really must tell people about NoScript - AWESOME security for browsing on Firefox.
Nice explanation as always. Been trying to figure how to leave windows since Windows 10 convinced me to move to Linux. I have a Mac & 2 PCs, one with win7 and the other Zorin. Win10 showed me Microsoft is never going to write a reliable os again. Linux has the same problem as Mac, not enough native programs.
17:00 It didn't reconfigure your operating system, but Linux Mint's desktop crashed, then started back up in Fallback mode without its normal 3d acceleration and such. It's actually not uncommon for mint's desktop to crash when you're using 3D applications.
Wine definitely isn't all plug&play in the sense that every program or game runs perfect as it would on a proper configured Windows.
However, I also use to follow the projects for a couple of years now, starting back in 2004 with some really early version that could run simple Flash games at best (and CS1.6 apparently which I didn't had back then) and ran on good old Knoppix3.7 with Linux kernel version 2.4.
Wine 2.0 is not too old actually either, it brought some long awaited improvements and development is still going on.
Of course, for those who want to play games these days, Steam offers many many games also natively to Linux by now but some classics like Age of Empires II would still need a Windows installation running which is were Wine fits in greatly.
Newer stuff on the other hand still likes to crash a lot, that's no surprise given the complexity of most software these days.
Still Wine is better than many people like it to be, I definitely find the project very fascinating to follow and still like to try out running Windows software with that overlay under my current Kubuntu 16.04 setup.
Nonetheless I also like to cross the river thus I also run Windows10 Pro with excitement (haven't run macOS in a while however) :>
Great video there, also because I have no experience with Crossover so far.
I still recommend both dualboot and virtual machines however, in cases there is software like the Kindle program or Microsoft Office that just won't work fine with Wine yet.
Thumbs up!
+ExplainingComputers / Christopher,
I am very happy that you have eventually reviewed Wine and Crossover (I have been waiting for your review for a while).
Just notice, after checking the version of Wine on my daily workstation, I have noticed that I am still running v1.8.6. As a KDE (version 4.14.9 - QT v4.8.6) user, I prefer to use Q4Wine as a front-end wrapper.
Something that should be mentioned is that Wine is only available for x86 and x86_64 for platforms and not available for ARM based platforms (even though, in theory, it could be possible to compile a ARM based Wine installation from source, albeit would be very slow to run).
Would like to see a review of various hypervisor / virtualisation technologies (ie. Xen, KVM /QEmu and VirtualBox) as an alternative to run MS Windows environments (especially VirtualBox "seamless / window tear modes").
Also, if in the future, you do review various virtualisation technologies, please also cite the issues surrounding Microsoft EULAs and virtualisation usage.
A off-topic point, just wonder if you had any further ideas about alternative (open source based) G.Drive solutions (hope you received my e-mail that suggested the usage of Nextcloud and Collabora Online as an alternative solution). I have some extra information for you about Drive / Docs TOS that I will send via e-mail to you a later today.
Thanks Mark, good point on ARM. I look forward to your e-mail. :)
If anything, I would continue using Windows 10, considering there are just way too many programs that I still need to use, and I'm not a huge fan of Linux, but I would use Linux to do development stuff, because it's kind of better for programming.
Let's be real, we're still dependent on Windows programs, reason for this video
The best solution for running Widows on a Linux machine is to use Virtualbox. It is a little bit of a process to setup properly but from there everything seems to work quite well.
Virtualbox is easier to use and absolutely NO compatibility issues :) :)
But the host might get a bit slow, and there might be some virtualization issues.
Good, informative video detailed enough as overview of WINE etc.
Once I tried wine on Mint, to run a audio recording program called Reaper. But I had some complications with sound card drivers and with some plugins (mini apps you run into Reaper). but overall it was a good experience, In a emergency I could record with Linux Mint and Wine.
Sound on Linux can be complicated. In a lot of places I'd even say rough, or unfinished. Development can be frustratingly slow at times, or at a standstill. How well sound works is often also down to what hardware you have. If you really invest yourself into getting things to work you can still achieve some impressive sound related things in Linux though. But it isn't always point, click, and shoot.
Linux is a good OS. There is a reason I have a Windows box and a Linux box however. I play on both OS's strengths so to speak.
I made a Linux gaming box. However, the amount of work that went into making that thing work was just too much. I use Windows for gaming and Linux for everything else that I can use it for without Windows program requirements. Mainly, Linux for work and Windows for play. Though I do have some Linux games downloaded that provide me with entertainment and some Windows programs that are just easier to use than their Linux equivalent.
Been a Linux user and contributor since 1997 though the last time I contributed was back in 2013. That was the last time I had a computer. I dug this thin client out of the trash, upgraded the ram and put an actual OS on it. I'm back in the saddle and looking at the changes that have occurred over seven years. I'm impressed.
i think the best option is to run Windows in a VM.
Dudefoxlive why not just use windows 10 pc instead.
I HATE Windows 10. I prefer Windows 7.
Dudefoxlive whatever.
cuz we don't want to use windows.... or have another pc with windows.... a VM is a good option... thats why :)
Dudefoxlive yah. Then waste 1gb of ram
Excellent video, as always! :)
As Despondent mentioned, Cinnamon crashing will result in an altered fallback mode. I just wanted to mention that in my experience of using Cinnamon on both Mint and other Linux distros, it seems to crash like this fairly regularly (maybe something to do with Nvidia graphics and their proprietary driver?). Due to this, I generally opt to use other Desktop Environments that are more stable, such as MATE, Budgie, or even KDE.
Also, something you may wish to investigate in the future is using Windows exclusively in a Virtual Machine on Linux, with a secondary GPU for PCI-Passthrough. What this does is enable you to have full Windows compatibility and performance, while keeping Windows safely contained within a sand-boxed VM. I plan on pursuing this myself in the future, as I simply refuse to adopt Windows 10 due to privacy concerns.
If you'd like to learn more about this, I would suggest watching Wendell's video from Level1Techs on the subject, as well as visiting the r/VFIO subreddit on Reddit.
Here is the link to the video: th-cam.com/video/16dbAUrtMX4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for this. This is the first crash I have experienced, so perhaps I have been lucky! I will know what is going on in the future. :)
I just run windows 10 in a vm using vm ware on linux mint, could not believe how easy it was to do either, considering I am anything BUT an expert!
Excellent to hear! Glad it worked.
So can you use this to access windows programs from within Linux, or do you have to keep switching between OSs?
@@chuctanundaspiderbone5407 Windows runs in a separate "window" within the VM (Virtual Machine) once you start up the VM. You would install the Windows programs within the VM just as you would install them on a Windows PC.
I had an older Win 7 PC sitting in the corner for a year and a half; it had been superseded by our "new" refurbished Win 10 Pro PC. I wiped the old PC's hard drive with DBAN and installed Linux Mint. I then installed VirtualBox, set up a VM and then installed Win 10 to the VM. The install process accepted our old Win 7 Home registration code and permitted me to install Win 10 Home. I then installed a licensed copy of Microsoft 365 (FKA Microsoft Office) to the VM.
I started doing this Linux business about a month ago because I had read that the install process for Windows 11 (which I want to check out once it comes out) does not check hardware requirements if you are installing it in a VM. Our old PC has a 4th-generation i5 and our newer PC has a 4th-generation i7 so neither one meets the Windows 11 system requirements. So I figured OK, perfect use for our old PC. Additionally, I get to play with Linux and it's nice to have a second machine around the house. It's also perfect for my wife since almost all she does on a PC is check email and go on the Internet. We already were using Thunderbird for email on the new PC so having it on the Linux PC was a bonus. I set up Thunderbird on each PC so that messages are left on the ISP's server for 100 days so we can download messages to each PC without one PC interfering with the other. Also, the database for our password manager, KeePass, is in the same format as that used by KeePass XC that I installed on the Linux PC so I just copied the database file from the new PC to the old PC. I just have to make sure that whenever I make changes or additions on KeePass that I copy the database file again back to the Linux PC so that they're in sync (KeePass does not store passwords in the cloud).
I had some practice with linux on my raspberry pi. I switched to linux today and the only problem is I can't overclock my display. I brought a 144hz display that doesn't work on 144hz and only works on 142hz and defaults to 120hz.
Amazon made sure it would not work on anything other than real Windows. There was a linux version which they discontinued. Microsoft's likely had a role in their decision - crush the competition - A senior Microsoft executive once described open source as a "cesspit".
A problem in Mint 20 is that some software (win-software) that doesn't run in Mint or couldn't even be installed, cannot be deleted within Wine. The software I created my self with VB6 long ago (and reprogrammed some last year) do run properly. The ones created by VB3 cannot be installed. And in Win10 they anyway don't run anyway. As to Zorin I liked it years ago, but don't anymore. The software which is undeletable is not mine, even not those old ones, but common software.
You could just say that you do not understand Linux it's directory structure. Hint: Wine is in a hidden folder.
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Some programs need to access specific hardware for which they need a hardware driver. For instance, I have a Hantek USB oscilloscope that requires a driver installed and recognised. However, on Linux, this cannot be done. Linux DOES NOT offer the possibility of using ANY Windows driver. There is NDisWrapper, but this is to support using wifi drivers with the Linux kernel. There is NO other interface to use other drivers for other hardware besides wifis. I tried to extract the firmware from the Windows driver but failed, and compiling the source code was a really long contorted journey with many hours wasted and with great frustration.
It is really very unproductive that there is no generic Windows driver interface for Linux.
Very great video! Wine is a fantastic project! I hope they will improve it even more :D
Excellent tutorial. You should have mentioned that it is no usually a good idea to install from outside you distro's repository as tit could cause issues with your install. There is also the VirtualBox option to be able to run Windows O/S and then run programs from within that.
Wine 3.0 released and it's DirectX 11 compatible :)
Who needs win when you can run everything in a VM, even games, with native performance.
I don't know of any laws against spontaneously bringing a building into existence on a person. Cover away haha! Great video as always.
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Just started watching. Have you told them on how to detect missing .dll libraries from terminal and install them to make apps work?
Sorry, I've not gone that far I'm afraid. The video provides an overview of Wine, PlayOnLinux, Winetricks and Crossover. An eyeopener, hopefully, for Windows users and those new to Linux.
ExplainingComputers In my experience it's less painful to install windows in Virtualbox and enable directx support. Of course WINE doesn't require to have a license but it sometimes require to check crash logs if you are missing some exotic .dll and your windows application crashes.
People usually drop WINE when their app crashes instead of debugging and it's usually just a missing library that causes problems.
Wine (like MS Windows) can be a real pain when selecting .dll libraries. I have recently been playing around with some cryptocoin utilities and found some very interesting Windows based tools, which I spent over a half a day trying to work with Wine.
I would agree with +James Owens about using VirtualBox (or another virtulisation / hypervisor framework, ie. Xen or KVM QEmu) as a viable alternative solution.
One caveat, I would suggest that whilst running MS Windows within a virtual environment is a possible solution, depending on the edition of MS Windows, the user could be violating their Microsoft End-User License Agreement (and could be considered as running MS Windows illegally).
Like most things these days,always fully review EULAs, Terms of service and other legal documents before proceeding.
Did you notice that a little dll file was needed by Winetricks to allow you to unzip and install Windows program into Linux.
Very helpful with some nice jokes. I missed you trying office 2013 or 2016 that's my mine worry moving to Linux
Michael Ulmer TBH i think this is the main reason Linux desktop is not widely adopted by normal users. Microsoft Office, i read a comment somewhere that Wine 3.0 may support MS Office 2003 lol.
I have found that Libre Office can do everything Office does.
While have linux on some of my computer, but Wine hasn't been somethin I haven't experimented with. There are several Windows program I used a lot, in some cases they will never be udated to use on later Windows addition, or will have linux version. Thanks for producing this video.
Chris, one way you could alleviate WINE's shortcomings is to run a Windows virtual machine to run the pesky apps that won't run under WINE directly. You'd need a semi-beefy system to essentially run both OSes at once, but thatd' allow stuff to work, like your Amazon reader drivers. I know that's not what the point of this video was, but that's what I can think of to make what you demonstrated at the end.
Thanx Chris - best computer advice on TH-cam.
I love the way you're running an 80's hair-do on a 2017 head ;) hehe x
don't criticize him - he is a very good person. He told me all about the phyton2 and i learnd programm to this videos in 2weeks! He is a Super teacher.
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As a web developer, I tried to switch to Linux as my main OS several times over the last 15 years and almost every time it was Photoshop that brought me back to Windows. Nearly 3 years ago though I switched to Ubuntu on my main machine and haven't gone back, mostly because I do less Photoshop work these days. First thing Monday though I'll be trying to install Photoshop from PlayOnLinux which will be incredibly handy if it works! Either way, another incredibly interesting and potentially very useful video!
Paul Feakins I would recommend GIMP as a replacement to photoshop
It's free and open source and on the same level of performance with photoshop
It's great for either newbies or professionals
You can find it in the Ubuntu Repository
GIMP is a great program, but lacks a CMYK workflow
Indeed, GIMP is great and I use it where I can but Photoshop is the industry standard and all designs supplied from other companies / freelancers are always PSDs. GIMP can open them - sort of - but not well enough to work with them properly.
Paul Feakins i understand your point and you're right :)
Honestly I gave up on all Adobe software since there were alternatives that worked great with me on Linux.
DaVinci Resolve and GIMP and Blender replaced my needs for Adobe Premiere And Photoshop
I haven't tried Photoshop in wine so I am not sure it will work.
But good luck with running it on wine and I hope it works for you.
Thank you, I'm looking forward to it. And I agree, GIMP is great, it's just that you have to use whatever software the rest of your industry uses if you're frequently collaborating which everyone is!
Lindows seems to be the only OS to natively install windows programs without the BS of Wine and Crossover. It's 2018, why hasn't any Linux distro adopted this? Make it optional too, so people who don't want viruses etc on their Linux machines can choose not to install the native support for it, but those transitioning from Windows to Linux and want to keep their programs at 100% compatibility can choose to have this support. It's stupid to have to pay 3rd party to use Win programs on Linux. Windows is free if you pirate it, Linux claims to be free but you MUST pay to use your win programs... way to go Linux world!
You can pirate Crossover ;) but then again, compatibility is nonexistent. RPG Maker 2003 still doesn't work lol. RPGMV works though, but it has a Linux Version anyway.
Within t5he Mint Distro There is what is known as Hex Chat. If you are not able to get certain Apps to run in Wine
Here's a recommendation for people looking to game with Wine: Gallium Nine. It's an extension that allows barebone D3D9 calls to execute without any conversion to OpenGL, extracting the most of your hardware's performance. I strongly recommend it with Source-based games.
Very helpful, thanks.
Uhm can I use Gallium Nine with PlayOnLinux Wine Staging? If so, is there any tutorial on how to do it?
I'm not a PlayOnLinux user, but you might be able to later configure the prefix that the tool creates to enable Gallium Nine support through winecfg.
I can see latest Wine Staging in PlayOnLinux Manage Wine Versions but not Gallium Nine. I wonder why, maybe you should suggest developers on PlayOnLinux forum to add Gallium Nine.
www.maketecheasier.com/install-wine-gallium-nine-linux/
High quality as always. Good stuff.
Windows deserves to become a legacy games platform and then die. There's nothing productivity-wise you can do with it that you can't do better with Unix.
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What I have discovered that with any version of Wine and PlayOnLinux, none of it works or works with pretty crap results. Sony ACID, Sony Vegas, Forge, Adobe PS, Lightroom and bunch more either fail to load, install or crash right after starting. The two that do start Adobe PS and a HDR programme look horrible and pixelated.
Next, I will watch your video on running Win7 in VirtualBox and see how that goes. I have 32GB of RAM so no worries there. Thanks for your effort in making these videos.
I imagine that you will find using a VM a far more satisfactory solution. :) Good luck!
Me while learning English: "ok, cool, this is pretty easy to understand. I like it"
Also me hearing British accent: .__.
Edit: very good video. Helped me a lot. Tysm. :)
I am struggling to get Word Perfect 6 for Windows to install in Linux Mint. I get all the way through the install process but a popup window is unreadable to finish the installation. It's only an inch by an inch and a half square. Wine isn't getting it and POL isn't working either.
Sadly not everything works under WINE or similar programs.