Beautiful, professional looking and strong, what's not to like?! I made a keel guard for my Max 10 using old school fiberglass mat. Doesn't look so great but its super strong and will never come off. If I had to do it again however, I'm doing your version, looks better and easier to install.
I made one with fiberglass for my royalex canoe. I don’t drag it,It was grinding trough from course sand beaches mostly. I was seeing the closed cell-foam in a small spot before Id even noticed. When the fiberglass started getting sanded through, I got some carbon fiber from a friend who makes prosthetics.& just added on top. It’s done ok but it’s doing the same thing,started popping up in Spots . It looks like this is a good way to go. I am into guns and was planning to buy some to build a holster that’s like nothing else on the market anyway. Will get a few extra sheets . I’m going to be fixing gunnels & doing some other preventive maintenance ,repairs and upgrades all over the boat. Inside & out. All sorts of things & different materials in mind , but this is looking like the best alternative for bows and sterns . Going to go ahead and do the same for a loon 138. No problems with that one yet .thanks. I do a lot of salt water .maybe harder grit from fossils and coming In hotter sometimes. Will see how it goes. It’s going to be better & it’s time. Have to look into that goop. Should be fine. Thx
I think this would pair up nicely in a two-part repair method for hull cracks and holes; I'm sure you've seen the "Home Depot bucket" plastic welding patch repair, but after that's done, adding this on top would probably be the most permanent fix ever.
We just got 2 kayaks to use in our upcoming retirements. I just ran across your video and really like the step by step tutorial you did. I don't have a scroll saw, but I am going to try using my jig saw with a fine tooth blade. I see great things in my future for protecting my keels.
Kydex order, check. Goop order, check. Heat gun, check. Gloves, check. Next weekend’s project on our two yaks. Thanks for the video Daren. Works out to £43/$55 for me to do both yaks bow and stern.
Great job, looks great! I need to add a couple on my kayak. Today, my Hobie PA14 slid out of my trailer on the highway, it slide out when the light turned green, so it wasn't like I was going 50+mph, but it slapped the ground on the aft keel; I forgot to strap it down. Thankfully nothing serious, just some scratches. So my plan is to add some guards on the front and back. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks for another great video. I’m going to do the same. The only 2 things that I will do different are lightly trace the cut and molded piece onto the kayak and smear a thin layer of the goop on the kayak itself just to ensure the best possible adhesion.
I've been aware of this for years and it's time to try one. I'm not as dainty with my kayak especially coming into the launch. Have worn through 2 layers of Gator guard. Like the goop idea over using the tape. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing, Daren! I ordered 4 sheets of Kydex (extras for mistakes) and marine grade Goop. I bought my first fishing kayak over the weekend, and I want to get the keel guards on sooner rather than later.
One Objective has a awesome keel guard. I used it for years on my SS127, and now I have one on my P127. Be careful because 303 breaks down adhesives over time. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Just completed mine using your system good sir. Just waiting for the goop to dry! Think ill take the yak out for the first day of the year this weekend.
So your I have to say I used a lot more goop than I thought I would. bending the kydex was harder than I thought but waiting for it all to dry and cure thanks again and your channel is awesome you have a new sub!
That's good work, brother! 👊 v1 or v2! I've used the same kydex holster for over 10 years years on my Glock 26 that I EDC and I do hit it on stuff all the time - tough stuff that gets a few scratches, but has never shown any cracks or breaks.
ayo just in time! this morning I watched your video and made mine that way! I work as a sculptor so I used plaster to make a negative, and a positive. melted it to the exact shape of the hull. I can handoff the keel guard to others. !
Thank you for this video, and when the KYDEX is damaged and I have to change it, is it easy to remove it with that direct glue? I just finished making my Keel molds thanks to your video but now I don't know whether to use double contact tape or direct glue...
@@wendellfishing I already managed to glue my kayak keel directly with the glue you recommend, definitely better than with double contact tape, thanks for the recommendation...
I’m curious how this is holding up. In my opinion, 3M 5200 is the best marine adhesive and sealant available. Thinking of doing this to my kayak and will most likely use the 5200 so it will not only bond the keel guard on but I can also use the squeeze out to seal and fair the edges. Great video, I had never thought of using kydex and I have plenty of it for use on other projects.
I used the 6”X 18” Gator Patch on mine… your method is awesome… but either way it will save your yak. We spend a lot of money on our yaks… so a little more protection never hurt… speaking on behalf of a former 19 year old new father
I bought your video and just watched some Kydex from Scamazon. I don't drag my yak b/c it's fairly light plus I just bought new wheels for my car. I was kinda new to old stuff but really like this news video for old times sake. Plus after the divorce my dad said don't trust my mom while my mom said trust your dad at your own demise. I'm 50% of both so I'm now at 0% of trust in self. With this knowledge of being 100% of zero, I thought I'd drown myself in the water until seeing your video. I have since bought a kayak just to make a couple'a keel guards. Now I've decided that I'll die on the water and not in it! You'da You'da best! Update: I am now a raisin of a man, all dried up under the sun, being pecked apart by birds while laying lame on an unsinkable kayak. I would've rather been fish food. If only my keel had some leakage, if only.....
Great video. Just curious why you chose Marine Goop over an marine epoxy? Seems like marine epoxy would have a stronger bond. I put Gator Guard Keel protector on the bow of the kayak and it came off after the second outing, dragging the kayak over rocks in the river.
Thank-you: Derek you did the research and I saw that the first one did take a beating and led to a crack. Why not use PVC instead of the Kydex? My kayak will sit in a sub zero garage over winter. I found 3mm sheets, about 25% thicker, too thick?
I've watched countless videos like you have and this is by far the way to go. I bought my first fishing kayak last year and after taking it out just one time I learned quick, need a keel guard lol... Is there a preferred thickness for the kydex?for the videos
What thickness Kydex do you recommend? If I missed it in your video, my apologies. Very good demonstration, editing and your choice and limited use of music is appreciated.
Hi Fantastic video!! Thank you for showing us a great way to protect our Kayak! I do have a question though! On my kayak I had put two coats of black bedliner coating on my keel. I was wondering, could I get some Kydex and follow your video with every step. Could I put the Kydex right over the coating that I put down underneath it with the Kydex overlapping the coating I put on? Thank you!
Hey I noticed that they have thicker Kydex like 0.093" Would I be better off around my area i have nothing but rocks where I launch and the bottom of my yak is taking a beating
On the instructions on the back of the package it says "not recommended to be used on polyethylene, and several other plastics. I have my kydex formed and the marine glue ready. Any issues you have had or heard about on kayaks? Just wondering.
Hey Ron, to my understanding, and I found this online is "There are no glues that glue polyethylene, nothing on the market makes a chemical bond. So, your left with products that fill gaps, and provide a compression seal, which is what you will be doing. Goop and 3m's 5200 do a good job at this. But keep in mind, that they do not actually glue to the poly, so timely inspections and occasional maintenance need to be done.
Yo I just bought a kayak and I'm planing on doing the kydex keel guard I was just wondering what application do you think works best the marine goop or the 60 lb gorilla tape with a sealer?
Perfect. Im going to make a set. I looked up a keel guard for my moken 12.5, it was almost 60 bucks and people in the reviews hated it. The scratches i already have on my kayak just mean better adhesion, right? 😂
I've had my P127 for two years. I'm finally getting around to installing the keel guard. I've noticed that the two smaller keels that are further back are getting beat up more than the center one. Have you noticed this with yours? Have you considered covering those at some point?
What are your thoughts on just using a spray on bed liner for a keel guard? Or a combination of both the kydex and goop then spray the bed liner over the kydex ?
Wendel, I have the SS127 , Two years in and I've noticed this keel guard would be a nice addition . I'm VERY rough on my equipment and I believe this type of guard would also serve well on the front area of the pontoon sections because they too take some major abuse. I was wondering if you had considered this as well and how you might approach the install? Love DIY . Great channel love your breakdowns. 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🇺🇲🇺🇲
This may be silly question...with that kydex gaurd on solid...if the kydex gets holes over time, will it still protect kayak from holes?? I think it would but with my luck, i would spring a leak and have to try to get kydex off... Im just debating doing kydex or welding on extra plastic as gaurd. My current kayak is mod-ed to bone so dont want to give er up! But she has hole on spot that your video is showing. Thanks for taking time to do these videos!! Great job.
I watched your old video on it, and just found this one, I WILL be doing this on mine, also what is the wheels you have on your old kayak?, I have been trying to find some for mine
Hey ITB, The wheel system I have are Native Sidekicks... they are pricey... but one of those things I use ALL THE TIME! Beats the crap out of a kayak cart.
Thoughts on using .06” v.s. .08” thick KYDEX? Would the .06” provide sufficient durability? Easier to heat/form? Less of a protruding edge to improve water resistance?
I think in your first video you used two sided tape. It appeared that it was easy to remove years later if you wanted to replace the kydex. Do you think this version with the goop will be easy to remove if you need to replace your guard?
I used the 60 lbs gorilla tape on my river kayak last year and it’s holding up great. I recently bought a new old town pdl. I’m going to put a kydex keel gaurd on the front and back. Not sure how I want to apply it yet. I have the same question as TwoBuck Chuck. I’m wondering which one will be easier to replace down the road. Scraping double sided tape off, or trying to removing marine goop. both will be a small job but with the right tools I’m sure both can be done fairly easy. I’ve seen and read about countless people applying keel guards both ways. Ive done my own research but haven’t found anything to sway me one way or the other. Wendal was there a reason you switched up your adhesive process on the keel gaurd install?
Hey TwoBuck Chuck.... According to GOOP Central (1-800-693-GOOP or 1-800-767-GOOP), there are three recommended solvents for GOOP. They are acetone, toluene and naphtha. Acetone will do a good job on GOOP that has not fully set. Toluene is a more powerful solvent that will remove fully set GOOP.
Hey Justin, According to GOOP Central (1-800-693-GOOP or 1-800-767-GOOP), there are three recommended solvents for GOOP. They are acetone, toluene and naphtha. Acetone will do a good job on GOOP that has not fully set. Toluene is a more powerful solvent that will remove fully set GOOP. I switched it up because it brought the price point down even more and wanted to test the two against each other. I know both have been used for years but I wanted to see for myself.
Love the videos! My only request to improve your content is to normalize or lower volume on machines when using them. Like during the orbital sander in this one. Otherwise I'm looking forward to doing this new keelguard when I get my kayak. Thanks for your content!
Thanks for the feedback Jage. You always have to reserve the right to get better so I appreciate you sharing. You wouldn't have if you didn't care. Let me know how that keel guard comes out.
Hey bud, just got my kayak and was planning on doing the same, but I planned on doing the entire bottom side, + keel, I noticed you just did strips on the keel is there a reason you didn't do the entirety of the bottom where it'd get dragged and scraped against stuff?
I don't really drag and scrape my kayak as I have native sidekicks. That's why I just did the keel. It what get's the most abuse when I am entering and exiting the water.
Hey man, great video. I noticed you posted this a yr ago. So, how has it held up? Either way, im going with it. What they charging for "keel guard tape" is ridiculous.
@@wendellfishingwell i was gunna ask how its going since i just purchased my first fishing kayak and im planning a massive upgrades and saw this and was like yeah thats a good idea with duck lake being pretty rough on boats and assuming everything else. gunna add you to my sub list thankyou
Holding up like a boss after beating the crap out of it. I did both methods and they are both holding up great. No issues since I adhered them. th-cam.com/video/gWgDEaZalbk/w-d-xo.html
Hey, so… it’s been a year. How’s it holding up? Do you like the original or the 2.0 version better? Also…. How are you not melting your kayak while your heating up the kydex?
I just finished using the marine Goop on my Bonafide P127 keel It seems to work fine despite NOT being recommended for use on polyethylene! Lol, I never read the instructions until after I used the goop My question to you is has the keel on your P127 held up since you installed it ? I have no idea why the instructions recommend not using this goop on polyethylene ? It seems to hold up well I did use some marine silicone around the sdges of my keel guards Is yours holding up well ? No issues Thx
It's not recommended because they say that it sticks, but it does not create a chemical bond, as such it is subject to releasing it's grip. This generally happens a little bit over time. But two seasons with no issue so far.
@wendellfishing Awesome, that's what I expect too ! Thanks for the quick response I'm totally digging you're channel Being a new Kayaking fisherman, it has helped me tremendously Thanks again !
I have 2,400-hours on my Delta 12-10 kayak and I'm very careful, i.e., I use wheels vs. dragging my kayak thru the parking lot. Both the bow and stern developed cracks/leaks recently. I fixed them with JB Weld. If I knew his was going to happen I would have bought a toothpaste sized tubes of JB Weld at Walmart and filled the low spots on the bow and stern when it was brand new. Once I saw the gray JB Weld color I would have known I was thru the kayak material. I'd rather spend $20 for JB Weld vs. hours of labor.
Why don't kayak manufacturers use protective material on the keels to begin with? They charge a fortune for kayaks, we might as well get an optimized product. Kind of frustrating. Great video and advice. I wish it wasn't necessary.
I agree 100%... No reason there isn't some type of indestructible material on the keel. Something like a snap on keel guard in the design is something I have said for years.
Engineered failure. They will never design anything to last forever. It's why DVD's, etc don't come in a cassette - it would never get scratched that way.
I have a Coleman canoe made out of that HDPE and nothing bonds to it. I have plastic welded cracks where the plastic has worn thin due to dragging (It's a duck hunting canoe) this would work great to gaurd the cracks. Did the goop keep it on? I'd be worried it would get knocked off.
I live in Utah and right now is very cold. I made the mistake of buying my dream kayak, the vibe shearwater 125 while checking if I could qualify for monthly payments. Long story short, the accidental kayak came in on saturday and I dont have the storage to put it until the spring. So I was thinking on mods to do, and I gotta say, that I love your keel guard idea. To this day, is it still holding in place?
Beautiful, professional looking and strong, what's not to like?!
I made a keel guard for my Max 10 using old school fiberglass mat. Doesn't look so great but its super strong and will never come off. If I had to do it again however, I'm doing your version, looks better and easier to install.
Thanks Homestead! I may just pin this post!
I made one with fiberglass for my royalex canoe. I don’t drag it,It was grinding trough from course sand beaches mostly. I was seeing the closed cell-foam in a small spot before Id even noticed. When the fiberglass started getting sanded through, I got some carbon fiber from a friend who makes prosthetics.& just added on top. It’s done ok but it’s doing the same thing,started popping up in Spots . It looks like this is a good way to go. I am into guns and was planning to buy some to build a holster that’s like nothing else on the market anyway. Will get a few extra sheets . I’m going to be fixing gunnels & doing some other preventive maintenance ,repairs and upgrades all over the boat. Inside & out. All sorts of things & different materials in mind , but this is looking like the best alternative for bows and sterns . Going to go ahead and do the same for a loon 138. No problems with that one yet .thanks. I do a lot of salt water .maybe harder grit from fossils and coming In hotter sometimes. Will see how it goes. It’s going to be better & it’s time. Have to look into that goop. Should be fine. Thx
@@wbwills2 That's a great plan and very cool making your own holster!
@@wendellfishing Hey - Can you do a follow up? How long has this lasted? What would you do different?
@@bikesdirect-official Wouldnt do anything different... this has held up like a boss
Do you mind updating on how good the Goop held up?
Thank you
No issues to date!
I think this would pair up nicely in a two-part repair method for hull cracks and holes; I'm sure you've seen the "Home Depot bucket" plastic welding patch repair, but after that's done, adding this on top would probably be the most permanent fix ever.
We just got 2 kayaks to use in our upcoming retirements. I just ran across your video and really like the step by step tutorial you did. I don't have a scroll saw, but I am going to try using my jig saw with a fine tooth blade. I see great things in my future for protecting my keels.
Glad it was helpful!
Kydex order, check. Goop order, check. Heat gun, check. Gloves, check. Next weekend’s project on our two yaks. Thanks for the video Daren. Works out to £43/$55 for me to do both yaks bow and stern.
Niiiice!
I am glad you made this tutorial. I followed your instructions andmade a very nice keel guard for my hobie lynx. Thank you So much!
Glad it helped!
Hey nice job...I have the mode 110...pelican...I used spay in bed liner took painter tape taped off area....works great ...have a great day
Great job, looks great! I need to add a couple on my kayak. Today, my Hobie PA14 slid out of my trailer on the highway, it slide out when the light turned green, so it wasn't like I was going 50+mph, but it slapped the ground on the aft keel; I forgot to strap it down. Thankfully nothing serious, just some scratches. So my plan is to add some guards on the front and back. Thanks for the great video!
That sucks but I am glad you were cruising down the highway!
Thanks for the video, thanks for the ideas, I'm using holstex, thought I ordered kydex but I'll stick with it. and got the Marine goop 😮
Right on.. let me know how it turns out!
Great videos on this solution... ordered the goop and the sheets via the links. Thank you!
You’re welcome! I hope it works out for you.
I've bought everything to do this with, but been procrastinating about cutting it. Memorial day trip fast approaching!
Good luck!
Thanks for another great video. I’m going to do the same. The only 2 things that I will do different are lightly trace the cut and molded piece onto the kayak and smear a thin layer of the goop on the kayak itself just to ensure the best possible adhesion.
Right on Fabian.. let me know how it works for ya!
Great video, much appreciated! How is this holding up so far? I was thinking about doing it with PVC pipes but then discovered this video
Havent thought about it once since I put it on
I've been aware of this for years and it's time to try one. I'm not as dainty with my kayak especially coming into the launch. Have worn through 2 layers of Gator guard. Like the goop idea over using the tape. Thanks.
Right on Greg... The goop is by far easier and faster to apply. Good luck.
Thanks for sharing, Daren! I ordered 4 sheets of Kydex (extras for mistakes) and marine grade Goop. I bought my first fishing kayak over the weekend, and I want to get the keel guards on sooner rather than later.
Good stuff brother! Have fun!
One Objective has a awesome keel guard. I used it for years on my SS127, and now I have one on my P127. Be careful because 303 breaks down adhesives over time. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Right on Illuminathan! Thanks for the tip
Just completed mine using your system good sir. Just waiting for the goop to dry! Think ill take the yak out for the first day of the year this weekend.
Right on!
Just ordered my first Yak, along with the Kydex to do this! Beyond excited!
Have fun!
Looks good. Researching "kevlar skid plates" for my canoe. Might go this route instead.
just got the goop in the mail looking forward to finishing my keel guard today thanks for the great idea!!
Heck Yeah Branden! Let me know how it turns out!
So your I have to say I used a lot more goop than I thought I would. bending the kydex was harder than I thought but waiting for it all to dry and cure thanks again and your channel is awesome you have a new sub!
@@Bmuth712 Heck yeah... should las you for a long time. Thanks for the sub
That's good work, brother! 👊 v1 or v2! I've used the same kydex holster for over 10 years years on my Glock 26 that I EDC and I do hit it on stuff all the time - tough stuff that gets a few scratches, but has never shown any cracks or breaks.
Heck yeah!
HI thank you for this video. How it is holding after all this time?
Just did one on my Jackson Bite FD. Had a couple of hot spots from dragging it in the river. Will see how it holds up.
Right on brother... Let me know how the river treats it
Excellent! Simple, strong and looks like it came on the yak. What grit sand paper do you recommend to rough up the surface, about 200?
TBH, it's been a while and I don't remember the grit
This is amazing. we just got a kayak and will be doing this. Thanks for the video
Have fun!
ayo just in time! this morning I watched your video and made mine that way! I work as a sculptor so I used plaster to make a negative, and a positive. melted it to the exact shape of the hull. I can handoff the keel guard to others. !
Now that's awesome... thanks for sharing Michael!
Thank you for this video, and when the KYDEX is damaged and I have to change it, is it easy to remove it with that direct glue? I just finished making my Keel molds thanks to your video but now I don't know whether to use double contact tape or direct glue...
There are some chemicals that will take off the glue.. it's a pressure hold so I imagine you could pop it off with enough force
@@wendellfishing Thanks for answering, what about the heat gun, do you think i will be able to remove it by using that tool?
I have never needed to do it so I unfortunately can't answer on this@@edgarvilmanyi3948
@@wendellfishing I already managed to glue my kayak keel directly with the glue you recommend, definitely better than with double contact tape, thanks for the recommendation...
I’m curious how this is holding up. In my opinion, 3M 5200 is the best marine adhesive and sealant available. Thinking of doing this to my kayak and will most likely use the 5200 so it will not only bond the keel guard on but I can also use the squeeze out to seal and fair the edges. Great video, I had never thought of using kydex and I have plenty of it for use on other projects.
Holding up like a boss.. haven't thought much about it until someone asks me for an update.
I used the 6”X 18” Gator Patch on mine… your method is awesome… but either way it will save your yak. We spend a lot of money on our yaks… so a little more protection never hurt… speaking on behalf of a former 19 year old new father
Amen to that Ray!
I am notorious for running aground, up onto boar ramp and just over crap in my oldtown pdl120. I really need to put a gaurd on it. Thanks for the tips
No problem Will. Happy to help
"The Duck Tape lol" Darren i love your DIY vids. Epic add-on, and a must have, especially with the $$ we invest in our one man kayaks today.. 💯 🌊 🎣
Thanks Anthony! Appreciate it.. yeah.. for $20 you can't beat it. Just saying kayak accessory will cost you $20 nowadays
Re: Prep. kayak surface...
Is it necessary to sand the kayak surface prior to application?
Thank you in advance for your response :)
I like to in order to give the goop something to adhere to that is not super smooth
If you had to replace it for some reason. how hard is it to get off. And will a heat gun do the job
You could peel it off if you needed to.
How will you remove them when it comes time to replace thos one? Is Marine Goop easy to with after it's cured?
Hey Boss, here's some chems that will dissolve goop: Chevron solvent 1100
Chlorothane NU
Cyclohexane
Gasoline
Perchloroethylene
Propyl acetate
Toluene
Great job. If I were doing this, I would have made a fish silhouette.
Thanks for the tutorial.🐟
Ha! Love it
I bought your video and just watched some Kydex from Scamazon. I don't drag my yak b/c it's fairly light plus I just bought new wheels for my car.
I was kinda new to old stuff but really like this news video for old times sake. Plus after the divorce my dad said don't trust my mom while my mom said trust your dad at your own demise. I'm 50% of both so I'm now at 0% of trust in self.
With this knowledge of being 100% of zero, I thought I'd drown myself in the water until seeing your video. I have since bought a kayak just to make a couple'a keel guards. Now I've decided that I'll die on the water and not in it! You'da You'da best!
Update: I am now a raisin of a man, all dried up under the sun, being pecked apart by birds while laying lame on an unsinkable kayak. I would've rather been fish food. If only my keel had some leakage, if only.....
Bless your heart
Great video. Just curious why you chose Marine Goop over an marine epoxy? Seems like marine epoxy would have a stronger bond. I put Gator Guard Keel protector on the bow of the kayak and it came off after the second outing, dragging the kayak over rocks in the river.
I have never tried epoxy to be honest.. the Goop has held for 1.5 seasons. Maybe I will try that next
Thank-you: Derek you did the research and I saw that the first one did take a beating and led to a crack. Why not use PVC instead of the Kydex? My kayak will sit in a sub zero garage over winter. I found 3mm sheets, about 25% thicker, too thick?
Hey Mike, Kydex is stronger than PVC.. you could definitely go thicker on the kydex. It's pretty malleable
Hi! I love your channel! What temperature do you set your heatgun? Also, will it melt a rotomolded polyethylene kayak?
There is not a temp on the heat gun
I’m going to do this to my kayak. How isthe goop holding up? How easy will it be to replace later?
It has never come off, I am sure I could pry it off if I needed to
I've watched countless videos like you have and this is by far the way to go. I bought my first fishing kayak last year and after taking it out just one time I learned quick, need a keel guard lol... Is there a preferred thickness for the kydex?for the videos
Hey Jason, 0.080" Thick is what I was using. You can get it here if you like: geni.us/Kydex
What thickness Kydex do you recommend? If I missed it in your video, my apologies. Very good demonstration, editing and your choice and limited use of music is appreciated.
I got you: geni.us/Kydex You could go thicker if you wanted. Thanks on the comment. I try to create videos with no fluff... high value.
@@wendellfishing thank you for the follow-up.
@@mplsmark222 No problem brother
Hi
Fantastic video!! Thank you for showing us a great way to protect our Kayak! I do have a question though!
On my kayak I had put two coats of black bedliner coating on my keel. I was wondering, could I get some Kydex and follow your video with every step. Could I put the Kydex right over the coating that I put down underneath it with the Kydex overlapping the coating I put on? Thank you!
Great question... and I really don't know an answer on that one. Sorry boss
Hey I noticed that they have thicker Kydex like 0.093" Would I be better off around my area i have nothing but rocks where I launch and the bottom of my yak is taking a beating
Makes sense to me!
On the instructions on the back of the package it says "not recommended to be used on polyethylene, and several other plastics. I have my kydex formed and the marine glue ready. Any issues you have had or heard about on kayaks? Just wondering.
Hey Ron, to my understanding, and I found this online is "There are no glues that glue polyethylene, nothing on the market makes a chemical bond. So, your left with products that fill gaps, and provide a compression seal, which is what you will be doing. Goop and 3m's 5200 do a good job at this. But keep in mind, that they do not actually glue to the poly, so timely inspections and occasional maintenance need to be done.
@@wendellfishing Thank you for the response and information. I'll install it today and try the Goop out.
@@roncadenhead9650 I have had it on all season with no problem. Anytime
Yo I just bought a kayak and I'm planing on doing the kydex keel guard I was just wondering what application do you think works best the marine goop or the 60 lb gorilla tape with a sealer?
Goop!
Perfect. Im going to make a set. I looked up a keel guard for my moken 12.5, it was almost 60 bucks and people in the reviews hated it.
The scratches i already have on my kayak just mean better adhesion, right? 😂
Makes sense to me!!
Did the goop on the keel guard held up good ? There is lot of debate on goop with kayaks..Thanks...
1 full season with no issue
I've had my P127 for two years. I'm finally getting around to installing the keel guard. I've noticed that the two smaller keels that are further back are getting beat up more than the center one. Have you noticed this with yours? Have you considered covering those at some point?
I haven't noticed this at all with mine.. but the stern of my yak rarely ever touches anything because of my sidekicks.
What are your thoughts on just using a spray on bed liner for a keel guard? Or a combination of both the kydex and goop then spray the bed liner over the kydex ?
IMO the bed liner will just scratch off
Just ordered the parts, how’s it holding? Looks like a good keel guard!
Havent thought of it since I put it on.. holding up like a boss!
Hi! I'm doing this on my ss127. Did you do the outer keels as well or just the middle?
Just where I saw wear
Wendell how is goop holding up on your keel guard you made...
Haven’t thought about it since I put it on last season
Wendel, I have the SS127 , Two years in and I've noticed this keel guard would be a nice addition . I'm VERY rough on my equipment and I believe this type of guard would also serve well on the front area of the pontoon sections because they too take some major abuse. I was wondering if you had considered this as well and how you might approach the install? Love DIY . Great channel love your breakdowns. 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🇺🇲🇺🇲
100 percent boss. I've done it to both sides of my Native Slayer.. works like a boss
Great video! Thanks so much for your channel!
Right on Brian! Glad it was helpful!
This may be silly question...with that kydex gaurd on solid...if the kydex gets holes over time, will it still protect kayak from holes?? I think it would but with my luck, i would spring a leak and have to try to get kydex off...
Im just debating doing kydex or welding on extra plastic as gaurd. My current kayak is mod-ed to bone so dont want to give er up! But she has hole on spot that your video is showing.
Thanks for taking time to do these videos!! Great job.
The kydex could be removed if needed. There are some chems out there that will help.
Hey I was just wondering how’s it holding up for you
Not a single issue since I put it on
Hello! I have a fibreglass kayak and am wondering can I do this method? Will the heat gun mess up with the fibreglass in my yak?
I couldn't answer that for you. Never tried
I just got my Kydex in the mail (purchased from your link) and so this weekend I will working on the keel guards. Thanks for the video. 👍
Heck Yeah! After fishing I'm assuming :)
I watched your old video on it, and just found this one, I WILL be doing this on mine, also what is the wheels you have on your old kayak?, I have been trying to find some for mine
Hey ITB, The wheel system I have are Native Sidekicks... they are pricey... but one of those things I use ALL THE TIME! Beats the crap out of a kayak cart.
Thoughts on using .06” v.s. .08” thick KYDEX? Would the .06” provide sufficient durability? Easier to heat/form? Less of a protruding edge to improve water resistance?
I think you get the same result with the .08 holding up longer. May be more difficult to mold but should not be an issue
Great idea, how is it holding up?
Full season and no problem. The 1.0 Verson has been going for 2 seasons with no issue
How is it working out? Is it holding up well?
2nd season no issue!
I think in your first video you used two sided tape. It appeared that it was easy to remove years later if you wanted to replace the kydex. Do you think this version with the goop will be easy to remove if you need to replace your guard?
I used the 60 lbs gorilla tape on my river kayak last year and it’s holding up great. I recently bought a new old town pdl. I’m going to put a kydex keel gaurd on the front and back. Not sure how I want to apply it yet. I have the same question as TwoBuck Chuck. I’m wondering which one will be easier to replace down the road. Scraping double sided tape off, or trying to removing marine goop. both will be a small job but with the right tools I’m sure both can be done fairly easy. I’ve seen and read about countless people applying keel guards both ways. Ive done my own research but haven’t found anything to sway me one way or the other. Wendal was there a reason you switched up your adhesive process on the keel gaurd install?
Hey TwoBuck Chuck.... According to GOOP Central (1-800-693-GOOP or 1-800-767-GOOP), there are three recommended solvents for GOOP. They are acetone, toluene and naphtha. Acetone will do a good job on GOOP that has not fully set. Toluene is a more powerful solvent that will remove fully set GOOP.
Hey Justin, According to GOOP Central (1-800-693-GOOP or 1-800-767-GOOP), there are three recommended solvents for GOOP. They are acetone, toluene and naphtha. Acetone will do a good job on GOOP that has not fully set. Toluene is a more powerful solvent that will remove fully set GOOP. I switched it up because it brought the price point down even more and wanted to test the two against each other. I know both have been used for years but I wanted to see for myself.
Great video. Thank you.
What do you think about carbon felt + epoxy? Will it be as durable as Jude’s?
I will be honest with you. Since i don't have any type of experience with it. I really can't comment on it.
I'm going to have some time now. So Project Cheap Bass is gonna get one of these.
Hey... it's best to have extra time during fishing season right? Praying you will find something soon
Once you used the goop, did it stay , or did you use the heat gun again for it to mold onto the keel?
Once I used the goop.. it cured in 24 hours. No need to use the heat gun again!
Love the videos! My only request to improve your content is to normalize or lower volume on machines when using them. Like during the orbital sander in this one. Otherwise I'm looking forward to doing this new keelguard when I get my kayak. Thanks for your content!
Thanks for the feedback Jage. You always have to reserve the right to get better so I appreciate you sharing. You wouldn't have if you didn't care. Let me know how that keel guard comes out.
Hey bud, just got my kayak and was planning on doing the same, but I planned on doing the entire bottom side,
+ keel, I noticed you just did strips on the keel is there a reason you didn't do the entirety of the bottom where it'd get dragged and scraped against stuff?
I don't really drag and scrape my kayak as I have native sidekicks. That's why I just did the keel. It what get's the most abuse when I am entering and exiting the water.
Hey man, great video. I noticed you posted this a yr ago. So, how has it held up? Either way, im going with it. What they charging for "keel guard tape" is ridiculous.
Haven’t thought a second about it since I put it on.. still holding and protecting like a boss
Any updates on the goop?
Never thought about it since I applied it.. Holds up like a boss
Great video!! How is this Goop holding up as compared to the Gorilla Tape?
Both holding up the same! I prefer the goop though.. much easier ... and cheaper
Hi, thank you-may I ask what thickness you used for the kydex sheet? Thanks!
Yup.. no problem.. here's the link of the one I used. You can get thicker for sure if beat it up really good.
@@wendellfishing oh, thanks. I didn't see the link though. I was thinking about going w the. 08" one.
Once the goop is cured can you remouve the keelgurd and the goop somehow ? like if you want to put on a new one ?
There are three recommended solvents for GOOP. They are acetone, toluene and naphtha
@@wendellfishing thanks! And none of them degrade the plastic of the yak right ?
No Issues on my end
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No issues for me
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Great video. How did it hold up? I’m planning to do the same based on your reply. Thanks in advance.
So far so good!
@@wendellfishingwell i was gunna ask how its going since i just purchased my first fishing kayak and im planning a massive upgrades and saw this and was like yeah thats a good idea with duck lake being pretty rough on boats and assuming everything else.
gunna add you to my sub list thankyou
@@stevewasdf Thanks boss!
Silly question but what side of the kydex sheet goes kayak side?
I put rough side out
Shoot, I put shiny side out but still looks great.
@@JamesRichardson-wr1me I think it's negligible. Could end up getting a better adhesion.
How long did you let the goop dry for before use? Thanks ahead of time.
24 hours
So how is it holding up after 11 months? I'm definitely needing to get someone like that.
My second season with no issues so far
Well how did the keel guard do with using the GOOP. Any issues or perform as you wanted?
No issues after beating the crap out of it for a season
@@wendellfishing awesome I'm doing mine in the garage as we speak. Thank you
Right on brother!
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How is 2.0 holding up? I actually had 1.0 at my first kayak. Now I got a new one, want to try your 2.0.
Exactly what I did. It's holding up great. I still have both on them with no issues. In fact, 2.0 was cheaper and much easier.
@@wendellfishing I had to ask. How do you plan on removing the goop when you need to replace the keel guard?
@@SpotlockBros Toluene or Goof Off has Toluene in it
Is it still working thinking about doing that to my kayak
No issues since I put it on
How’s the goop keep guard holding up? Seen some vids where they use two sided tape to hold the kydex on.
Holding up like a boss after beating the crap out of it. I did both methods and they are both holding up great. No issues since I adhered them. th-cam.com/video/gWgDEaZalbk/w-d-xo.html
@@wendellfishing also meant to ask why you chose the shape you did for the kydex? Does it matter?
That shape allowed me to curve it around the curve of the yak without bunching up the kydex @@buckeye830
Hey, so… it’s been a year. How’s it holding up? Do you like the original or the 2.0 version better? Also…. How are you not melting your kayak while your heating up the kydex?
2.0 is not only better but easier and cheaper!
I just finished using the marine Goop on my Bonafide P127 keel
It seems to work fine despite NOT being recommended for use on polyethylene!
Lol, I never read the instructions until after I used the goop
My question to you is has the keel on your P127 held up since you installed it ?
I have no idea why the instructions recommend not using this goop on polyethylene ?
It seems to hold up well
I did use some marine silicone around the sdges of my keel guards
Is yours holding up well ?
No issues
Thx
It's not recommended because they say that it sticks, but it does not create a chemical bond, as such it is subject to releasing it's grip. This generally happens a little bit over time. But two seasons with no issue so far.
@wendellfishing Awesome, that's what I expect too !
Thanks for the quick response
I'm totally digging you're channel
Being a new Kayaking fisherman, it has helped me tremendously
Thanks again !
@wendellfishing Oh, I forgot to mention that I used your P 127 Kydex keel guard video as my guide
Kydex is awesome as a keel for sure
@@kennynorris8205 Right on brother! Hope it serves you well
@@kennynorris8205 Right on! I will keep em comming
I have 2,400-hours on my Delta 12-10 kayak and I'm very careful, i.e., I use wheels vs. dragging my kayak thru the parking lot. Both the bow and stern developed cracks/leaks recently. I fixed them with JB Weld. If I knew his was going to happen I would have bought a toothpaste sized tubes of JB Weld at Walmart and filled the low spots on the bow and stern when it was brand new. Once I saw the gray JB Weld color I would have known I was thru the kayak material. I'd rather spend $20 for JB Weld vs. hours of labor.
Is it still holding up and was yours the 0.60 or 0.90 kydex thickness
Holding up still with no issues. I believe the smaller
How about painting the bow with epoxy?
Never tried it so I can't really comment
Why don't kayak manufacturers use protective material on the keels to begin with? They charge a fortune for kayaks, we might as well get an optimized product. Kind of frustrating. Great video and advice. I wish it wasn't necessary.
I agree 100%... No reason there isn't some type of indestructible material on the keel. Something like a snap on keel guard in the design is something I have said for years.
The do it so you can purchase another 1
I know, I just scratched my brand new one loading it onto my car from what I thought was a grass surface.
Some brands do have them. Ocean Kayak,Old Town
Engineered failure. They will never design anything to last forever. It's why DVD's, etc don't come in a cassette - it would never get scratched that way.
What is the thickness on the kydex?
0.080" but you could go thicker: geni.us/Kydex
Hey there, would this work with a torch instead of a heat gun?
I believe it could work.. but the torch is direct heat so I would imagine that you would have to keep it pretty far away. Would be tough to regulate
@@wendellfishing Yes exactly what I was thinking. I'm better off Snaggin the ole heat gun from work I guess.
@@wendellfishing Thank you.
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When it comes to glue adhesion, would you prefer version one or version two?
Goop was much easier than the tape... they both are holding up like a boss
Very informative, thanks 👍
Right on Adam.. happy to help
How’s the keel guard holding up
Holding up like a boss! No issues
Hows it holding mate?
No issues
I have a Coleman canoe made out of that HDPE and nothing bonds to it. I have plastic welded cracks where the plastic has worn thin due to dragging (It's a duck hunting canoe) this would work great to gaurd the cracks. Did the goop keep it on? I'd be worried it would get knocked off.
Goop has held up like a boss so far and I beat the tar out of it.
Well here it is a year later, hows it holding up?
havent thought about it since i put it on!
How's the keel guard holding up after all this time???
LIKE A BOSS! Haven't done anything to it except beat it up all season.. no issues
Thanks for the quick reply and keep up the great videos! I’ll definitely be installing one of these on my yak! 👊🏽
@@alexsuarez7583 Right on brother!
How has the goop been holding up?
Only had it in the water a few times but no issues so far.
How is the good holding up?
Like a boss.. no problems
I live in Utah and right now is very cold. I made the mistake of buying my dream kayak, the vibe shearwater 125 while checking if I could qualify for monthly payments. Long story short, the accidental kayak came in on saturday and I dont have the storage to put it until the spring. So I was thinking on mods to do, and I gotta say, that I love your keel guard idea. To this day, is it still holding in place?
Still holding up.. no issues