I blame You sir... for really turning me onto Roman coins. Your appearances on Time Team and your love and enthusiasm for Roman civilization and whatnot rubbed off on me if you will . Now ive started buying Roman coins and waiting on them to show in the post . Thank you for what you do and these videos . P.S Im also a big fan of ancient Egypt and really enjoy listening to these talks ,,, keep it up :)
My 2 cents on Nefertiti. If Nefertiti's body was the older lady in kv21 then Belzoni tells us in 1819 that her mummy was in superb condition and he makes no mention of any sign that she had died from violence. As for Tutankhamun's mother the Younger Lady in kv35 she was not in her early 40s when she died and so was not Nefertiti.
At 32 minutes you say nothing really changes the view that Tutankhamun was most likely Akhenaten's son. This seems strange to me as the kv55 mummy was around 20 when he died and even though as you said earlier we have no ide how old Akhenaten was when he died we do however know he wasn't 20 to 22 years old. You yourself also said earlier that proponents of the belief that the kv55 mummy is Akhenaten are reduced to squeezing his entire life into his adolescent years. In other words the kv55 mummy is not Akhenaten. As the kv55 mummy is the father of Tutankhamun this makes your statement that nothing really changes the view that Tutankhamun was most likely Akhenaten's son difficult to understand. Tutankhamun became pharoah because in the end he was the only male grand child of Amenhotep the third. As to who the kv55 mummy actually was as in was he Smenkhare or another son entirely of Amenhotep the third the jury is still out and that's fine. Interestingly when I asked Dr Hawass he told me that the younger lady in kv21 is going to be dna tested in October this year. I presume this will include tests in relation to the kv55 mummy. That younger lady as I'm sure you know is the mother of Tutankhamun's children and therefore possibly his great royal wife wife. She could of course have been another queen of Tutankhamun's whose identity we don't know and not Ankhesunamun his great royal wife but there is also a good chance obviously that she is. If dna shows us that she is a first cousin and not a half sister of Tutankhamun and is the niece not daughter of the kv55 mummy then it will perhaps suggest even more that Akhenaten was not the father of Tutankhamun but most likely his uncle.
I think you'll find plenty of people dispute the age of the KV55 body. It doesn't matter what anyone says or reads, there's always a completely contradictory view available including how old that person was at death, with the evidence contorted to fit any agenda. Some counter-arguments rely on inventing unknown others, like claiming the YL cannot be Nefertiti but instead a completely unknown sister of Akhenaten. These bodies wouldn't be available for any other historical period and the sad truth is they have muddied the waters more than they have cleared them. The DNA has solved nothing because in a family with multiple consanguineous unions it would be quite possible for Tutankhamun to have had parents who were cousins but presented the same DNA profile as if they were siblngs. And DNA does not name bodies.The only bodies with a cast-iron pedigree are those of Yuya, Thuya, and Tutankhamun. You'll notice that I don't conclude anything about the other bodies. It is impossible to do so. What I find most striking is that during his reign Tutankhamun never mentioned his parents, but the only objects from the Amarna royal family in his tomb with unequivocal names on were Akhenaten, Nefertiti, and Meryetaten, not anything belonging to anyone else, known or unknown, from that milieu apart from a palette that belonged to Meketaten and which probably came from the tomb. There is nothing whatsoever demonstrably bearing the name Smenkhkare and nor was there in KV55 (I do not mean the throne name Ankhkheperure which is a dfferent issue). The only reliable conclusion, as you suggest, is that Tutankhamun was the only surviving male member of the bloodline left. Everything else is waffle.
@@ClassCiv You have omitted the lock of Tiy's hair found in Tutankhamun's tomb and identified as coming from the Elder Lady of KV35, who is therefore identified as Tiy. Now we have to wait for what Zahi Hawass comes up with in the next round of DNA tests.
Excellent summing up Guy. The labyrinth of the Amarna aftermath has many hidden chambers that may yet be discovered.
I blame You sir... for really turning me onto Roman coins. Your appearances on Time Team and your love and enthusiasm for Roman civilization and whatnot rubbed off on me if you will . Now ive started buying Roman coins and waiting on them to show in the post . Thank you for what you do and these videos .
P.S Im also a big fan of ancient Egypt and really enjoy listening to these talks ,,, keep it up :)
Ok….let’s see if I am right…the body in kv55 is Akhenaten. Tut is his son. No one knows who Smenkhare is. Nefertiti is likely not Smenkhare.
My 2 cents on Nefertiti.
If Nefertiti's body was the older lady in kv21 then Belzoni tells us in 1819 that her mummy was in superb condition and he makes no mention of any sign that she had died from violence.
As for Tutankhamun's mother the Younger Lady in kv35 she was not in her early 40s when she died and so was not Nefertiti.
Horemheb had the most beautiful tomb.
Which? He had at least two. The 19th Dynasty tombs, especially that of Nefertari, surely exceed anything from the 18th Dynasty.
Poppy heads and a blade in one hand,any idea what's in the other..
Still good stuff.
At 32 minutes you say nothing really changes the view that Tutankhamun was most likely Akhenaten's son. This seems strange to me as the kv55 mummy was around 20 when he died and even though as you said earlier we have no ide how old Akhenaten was when he died we do however know he wasn't 20 to 22 years old. You yourself also said earlier that proponents of the belief that the kv55 mummy is Akhenaten are reduced to squeezing his entire life into his adolescent years. In other words the kv55 mummy is not Akhenaten.
As the kv55 mummy is the father of Tutankhamun this makes your statement that nothing really changes the view that Tutankhamun was most likely Akhenaten's son difficult to understand. Tutankhamun became pharoah because in the end he was the only male grand child of Amenhotep the third.
As to who the kv55 mummy actually was as in was he Smenkhare or another son entirely of Amenhotep the third the jury is still out and that's fine. Interestingly when I asked Dr Hawass he told me that the younger lady in kv21 is going to be dna tested in October this year. I presume this will include tests in relation to the kv55 mummy. That younger lady as I'm sure you know is the mother of Tutankhamun's children and therefore possibly his great royal wife wife. She could of course have been another queen of Tutankhamun's whose identity we don't know and not Ankhesunamun his great royal wife but there is also a good chance obviously that she is.
If dna shows us that she is a first cousin and not a half sister of Tutankhamun and is the niece not daughter of the kv55 mummy then it will perhaps suggest even more that Akhenaten was not the father of Tutankhamun but most likely his uncle.
I think you'll find plenty of people dispute the age of the KV55 body. It doesn't matter what anyone says or reads, there's always a completely contradictory view available including how old that person was at death, with the evidence contorted to fit any agenda. Some counter-arguments rely on inventing unknown others, like claiming the YL cannot be Nefertiti but instead a completely unknown sister of Akhenaten. These bodies wouldn't be available for any other historical period and the sad truth is they have muddied the waters more than they have cleared them. The DNA has solved nothing because in a family with multiple consanguineous unions it would be quite possible for Tutankhamun to have had parents who were cousins but presented the same DNA profile as if they were siblngs. And DNA does not name bodies.The only bodies with a cast-iron pedigree are those of Yuya, Thuya, and Tutankhamun. You'll notice that I don't conclude anything about the other bodies. It is impossible to do so. What I find most striking is that during his reign Tutankhamun never mentioned his parents, but the only objects from the Amarna royal family in his tomb with unequivocal names on were Akhenaten, Nefertiti, and Meryetaten, not anything belonging to anyone else, known or unknown, from that milieu apart from a palette that belonged to Meketaten and which probably came from the tomb. There is nothing whatsoever demonstrably bearing the name Smenkhkare and nor was there in KV55 (I do not mean the throne name Ankhkheperure which is a dfferent issue). The only reliable conclusion, as you suggest, is that Tutankhamun was the only surviving male member of the bloodline left. Everything else is waffle.
@@ClassCiv You have omitted the lock of Tiy's hair found in Tutankhamun's tomb and identified as coming from the Elder Lady of KV35, who is therefore identified as Tiy. Now we have to wait for what Zahi Hawass comes up with in the next round of DNA tests.