Halo Infinite's Cancelled Split-Screen Campaign Co-Op Tested... And It's a Blast!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- 343 Industries promised us split-screen campaign co-op for all Halo games going forward, but recently made the painful decision to cancel it for Halo Infinite in favour of deploying resources elsewhere. We think that's a big shame, especially as it's rather excellent. We know this because an exploit allows you to access the functionality on today's game. Yes, there are bugs and glitches, but it works - so how does it look and how does it run on Xbox Series X and Xbox One, the most powerful and weakest Xbox consoles? John and Alex discuss.
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The fact that he opens with "I played this primarily with my son" just shows how out of touch 343 has gotten. They seem to forget that moments like that are what shaped Halo and made it the beast that it is today. Multiplayer is a cash cow, sure, but splitscreen is in Halo's DNA. It's part of what makes Halo, "Halo".
I played them all with my daughter up until Halo 5. She just wasn't into it anymore (she's 21 now). Still, some of the best memories of my life. We did manage to tackle It Takes Two so that was awesome.
Sorry for those who could have made those moments but never will.
I can remember clearly to this day the first time I tried Halo was on the Xbox, I was too young to have enough money to own multiple consoles and I had a Dreamcast. Plus the Xbox was expensive but one of my older friends had a job and he bought the console. We sat and played the campaign in Split Screen and had so much fun that we organised time to come back and finish the campaign together. This was how I first finished the campaign for the first game and is basically what made me fall in love with the game at the time.
I wont use the feature now, and I don't feel any desire to play Halo anymore. I tried it on Game Pass but I guess I'm just too old to enjoy that anymore but to think that people won't have the kind of experience that I did when I was younger is a damn shame.
Halo was created with the idea that it would be a party game. Splitscreen is core to its DNA
It also goes without saying that for multiplayer to be a cash cow, you need a good game and player good will. They keep losing players when they double down on MTX instead of focusing on overdue features and adding content. Like Fortnite didn't luckily stay popular. They keep adding stuff and changing it up so it feels fresh.
Fully agreed. At this point I think Halo is better off cutting 343 out of the equation, not split screen. You don't throw away the whole pizza when the dog steals a slice and you don't throw away the dog either. You eat that pizza.... I forgot where I was going with that. 343 bad.
It's unbelievable they won't be implementing split-screen. The "difficult decision" means little for the community after a majority of the sales have been made...
It's very clear that it's already implemented. They just don't want to finish polishing it. This also leads me to believe their CI/CD pipeline is very questionable. 🤣
they had to put more focus on doing nothing with the game
It's more shady how they did it. Launched the game and promised it to come knowing they needed the sales and now they drop this when it's too late
@@lammyjammer6670 Really disappointing considering Microsoft makes Azure which is one of the largest CI/CD pipeline platforms out there.
@@secoTheSonicFan thats also true, but it also means its very close to complete, cancelling it at 90% of the job seems like a waste.
My two main complaints about this whole situation are:
1 - This was a promissed feature, many people bought the campaign to play coop and they are just canceling a feature to focus in the bullshit and bare bones live service.
2 - The excuse that they need to move resources to finish another features is insane, this is the box game from xbox, it belongs to one of the richest companies in the world, the same company that are buying another 70 billion company and they are saying they don't have money to put an almost finished feature in the game, fuck that lie.
🧂
Amen!
There's clearly some kind of rot set in at 343. Some mad captain who has lost control of the ship.
Co-op is still coming, just not split-screen.
@@DenkyManner it's not just 343 Xbox is rotton to the core
lol loved John's son: "besides the 30 fps, that one... that was kind of trash", truly his father's son
lmao, I came here looking for this comment 👌🏻
xD oh man
Man's got taste
I'm sure it brought a tear to John's eye. He must be so proud. 😂
His name probably "Chad Warden."
I don't even play Halo and this is one of the most mindblowing things to me. It is insane how well it works when it's not even supposed to.
I know right? 343 should do this more often, we might actually get a decent Halo game.
@@fcukugimmeausername Jesus, how do we even get there? Sad as hell
It’s supposed to, someone at 343 just pulled the plug on a feature complete split screen mode during the bug testing period
@@Nighterlev did you watch the whole video? The DF guys are astonished how well and “complete” this feels that they can’t believe 343 cancelled it. Aside from claims of save corruption (which are probably tied to how you bug-access this feature you’re not supposed to) none of the bugs I saw were game breaking. Release it as a beta, tell ppl it’s not 100% done, and let us have fun.
@@Nighterlev DF said they could ship this as is an call it in Beta and call it a day since it’s so close to feature complete. 343 has their priorities at whack and I blame the damn live service bs
As a fan I am really disappointed in 343 and their handling of Halo. To have fans wait that length of time and then say no splitscreen is very poor. I hope Phil Spencer can step in and get someone who can either organise that studio into doing better or put another studio on Halo. My best Halo memories come from splitscreen.
Edit: to all the people who have read and liked the comment. Thanks alot. I wasn't expecting this many likes on the comment. All the best and hopefully the situation turns around for the better.
i didn't really expect much of it tbh, when have 343 done a good halo game?
@@NonsensicalSpudz Sadly that is true.
With Bonnie Ross's departures recently, Pierre Hintze, the guy who headed the salvaging of MCC, is now the lead on Infinite, so hopefully things will turn around.
@@NonsensicalSpudz CE Anniversary 360 version 😅
343 aren't just diappointing, I have zero respect for anyone on the team since even if the devs cared they do more to push to get this game to be good. THEY CANNOT HANDLE REAL GAMES LIKE HALO
Split screen was how I got my friends and family into Halo. The setting, the gameplay, the cool graphics, the one-liners, the music, the split screen co-operation, oh so many good memories. Such pity it came to this. Hope it gets back to form, eventually.
It’s really amazing how little a developer made specifically the work on a franchise can understand that franchise. Imagine Mario Kart with no split screen
Mario Kart is unplayable for me without split screen
Umm only 10 people play mario kart splitscreen, why not just use the internet? /s
I've seen so many people in the comments use this argument and it's so stupid
@@emiloguechoons9030 Please never do anything important in the world as your feelings about 10 percent say a lot about you.
The world could use less of that type of mentality.
Perhaps you could work for 343.
@@USA92 I think you didn't read their entire comment
@@USA92 /s means sarcasm, I was just repeating the argument that I've seen many people in the comments use to argue against splitscreen's inclusion in Halo infinite but applied it to Mario kart to demonstrate just how ridiculous it sounds
Just a reminder, the first games were feature complete at launch ( solo, co op, multiplayer local and online starting with 2). Of course 343 should be held accountable. You dont ship a game where key features of the franchise are missing.
Unless it's a Game As a Service, in which case I understand.
@@Cosmycal not because of that but because you have VERY low standards. people like you kill this industry :( I bet you often preorder as well.....
Also reminder they delayed the game by over a year and still could not release with this.
@@Cosmycal No offence mate but you're drinking corporate kool-aid with that statement there, a game should be feature complete at launch, no exceptions.
@@Cosmycal consoomer
Incredible to see all the massive TH-cam channels hold 343 accountable
They are the only ones who worked on the campaign aren't they? Who else would they be holding to account?
@@Agret His focus was on all the big TH-camrs publicly criticizing 343 for their decision, instead of letting it slide (which would _not_ be holding 343 accountable for their decision) :)
@@Agret why blame 343? Blame your uncle Phil.
Talvez a culpa seja minha por ter comprado um Xbox klkkk
As they should.
Really appreciate the in depth look at this by the three of you. Playing co-op is a great way to make some fun memories with my family. So it’s great to hear a young person’s views on this. Many thanks to John’s family.
I first played Halo Split Screen Coop with my friend literally in 2018 when I was 16 and it was the best time of my life i've ever had on multiplayer .... I wish it was actually here but at least in a good game not halo infinite :(
Yeah, hopefully “John Jr.” follows in his dad’s footsteps in the future for some reviews (if he wants to). Clearly a sharp kid.
@@LeonSKennedy7777 ok...
"30 frames was pretty trash" 🤣
Loved your son's endorsement of the (60fps ONLY) couch co-op was awesome. There's not many joys better in life than seeing your child enjoy video games as much as you do. The only part that sucks is when they turn like 14 and all of a sudden they are better at online multiplayer than you. ;)
Feel the same, except for my nephew 😇
I think John bribed him to say that 🤪
The process to get this working is really complex, and makes me wonder how did people discover it, it's really impressive to me
probably data mining and a lot of trial and error.
Probably is a known thing at 343i and someone leaked it.
its hard to do it at first, but easy after you get the trick.
Community > 343
Never underestimate glitchers lol , the car dupes on GTA used to be way crazier
The fact this runs as well as it does on *even the base model Xbox One* and they *still* had the fucking nerve to just cancel it is outrageous. 343 can't be redeemed now, and Microsoft really doesn't need a third-rate Bungie stand-in anymore when they now own id Software, Infinity Ward, Raven Software, and Treyarch. I can't see this going any other way besides 343 being dissolved and assets folded into other Xbox studios once support for Infinite and MCC concludes, at-least not without any serious negative repercussions at this point.
5-10 years from now I'm sure they'll reboot the entire Halo franchise with the minds behind Doom, Quake, CoD, Wolfenstein, Heretic, or even Gears of War at the helm... or maybe not since the Halo name just doesn't carry the same weight these days as it did 15-20 years ago. Such a waste.
I think 343 will have to re-consider this feature cancellation, especially given how far along the feature was seemingly - it's a terrible look for them, and they were looking pretty terrible already.
@@secoTheSonicFan That's not really the point though. They promised this feature and then failed to deliver, that is the take away here. though tbh I'm getting troll vibes here.
7 people will play halo like this lmao, its 2022
@@Delucaass Those seven people will have lifelong memories of playing a new halo game with someone by them on the same screen. The number of people is irrelevant.
@@Delucaass ummm... kids generally have one console / my niece and nephews would play split screen at grandma and grandpa with the one x i put there so there was a newer console for them to play when weather is poor
@@wnxdafriz no kid is playing halo in 2022 haha
Cancelling the split screen should make the game refundable imo. One of the core promises and one of the things I was most looking forward to.
If it was on any advertising material many countries consumer laws will consider it false advertising.
Class action lawsuit time
Most are playing it on gamepass and they not gonna cancel it just because of halo , as I've said many many times gamepass has taken away the consumer say of vote with your wallet it's an anti consumer service that's allowing them to put little to no effort in and still make money while people continue to pay waiting for things to get fixed waiting for something decent to come all while still feeding them your money
@@TristanTheVRGamecat I wouldn't put the blame completely on game pass.
The rest of the games there are all right, Forza Horizon 5 is also a "games as a service" and doesn't suffer from this.
Halo 5 was not on Game Pass and also shipped incomplete.
@@nik021298 let's not start with Forza rehash 5 literally same game as last gen just with a different generated map , over hyped and low effort typical gamepass fodder Xbox first party couldn't sell as they games were already bad so now they wanna still take your money through gamepass , anti consumer garbage , only gullible clowns support It
I'm glad this is being shown more publicly like this. Nice job DF team.
Exactly!
The timing of this being uploaded after the recent 343 Industries departures is impeccable
They need a huge restructure
It's perfect - "Hey, new leadership? It works. Make it work better and it'll start to actually repair 343 and Halo's image!"
343 needs to sink. They have proved their incompetence ever since DMR starts being default in Reach. Then 4 and 5...they are made up of the vocal minority remnants from Bungie who never had good ideas and therefore always got shot down and finally they had power and we get to witness how unimaginative and incapable they are. It is just a tragedy that Halo has had to basically die for this.
@@hellcatdave1 bungie put dmr starts in reach...
@@mr.b89 nope. Not true. It happened as an update long after Bungie left.
I'm glad that we were able to get a report from The Youth about whether or not 30 FPS was acceptable. The kids are alright.
The fact that its "excellent" makes the cancelation look twice as bad on 343.
A hundred times as bad, even. Seriously, what the Hell were they thinking to just give up on implementing a feature that's *already proven to work?* This has gone from being a massive disappointment to an unmitigated, full-blown scandal.
@@chemergency Honestly it still can be mitigated in my eyes.
@@Cosmycal but it isn't mitigated yet, so the term "unmitigated" still 100% fits.
Love you guys. This is true service to the gaming community. You put pressure on developers in a really healthy way, and things actually change. My favourite channel on TH-cam. Let's hope 343 reconsiders splitscreen and finally fixes VRR in 120hz mode. This game is on the package of my Series X and I expect that a flagship franchise like this is feature complete. Your son was great too!
THIS
The use of contractors seems to be a problem with the game industry in general now, similar to the movie industry. On a different topic, John's son is a natural commentator. Thanks for adding his feedback.
It’s not just a game industry thing. It happens everywhere in tech and software with the same exact problem you see here. The problem is leadership wanting to cut costs instead of hiring full time.
Thanks for pushing split-screen coop into the light. More people need to see this and I hope it gets 343i to reconsider completing the mode they originally promised.
343 is dragging this franchise tru the mud. Imagine waiting almost a year to play this split screen to see it being cancelled. A lot of people dont know about this way i guess. And it makes it even weirder as it seems perfectly possible.
Blame 343 when it should be your Uncle Phil.
@@provax4925 343 has been messing up for years now. Incapable studio.
@@provax4925 If 343 was a capable developer, this wouldn’t have happened. They had the game delayed. They were given time to produce content for later release. 343 lacked focus, leadership, and vision. This is because 343 couldn’t cut the mustard.
@@LRon-ef7ni are you a preschooler? This was a business decision by the xbox executives. Their decision to make all games day 1 hurts the budget for developing games. You want 343 to continue working for splitscreen for free? You crazy?
@@LRon-ef7ni "finite resources were better deployed elsewhere" you see? Business decisions not a developer incompetence... So don't blame 343 if Microsoft ceo not putting "resources" to develop splitscreen... Developers have families to feed. They are not your servants to work for free to cater your personal satisfaction.
One of the biggest Ls ever smh. This is one of the things I was looking forward to the most. The story and shared experiences with friends And family through split screen is what made halo so attractive to me. So unfortunate
L?
@@Pwnsweet L = Loss. Usually in the context of catching an L, or losing something. Same with W.
Wish 343 would add in split screen to MCC on PC already. It’s already part of the game on console so can’t be difficult. Such a shame.
Ikr!! They even REMOVED splitscreen from MCC PC when Bungie already did the effort for them!! The only game that didn't have splitscreen was CE but that's because it used the gearbox version!
Screw this company!!!
Who plays splitscreen on pc
@@deafbyhiphop me
@@someguy5319 dayum
@@deafbyhiphop I emulate many Games with Splitscreen, so i dont have to buy consoles and can use any Controller i want.
Hearing his kid talk about 30 fps and a ''grappling hook feature'' shows who raised him.
Love it.
John's son dissing 30fps make me laugh out loud.
It honestly really annoys me that the co-op mode exists by means of a bug and is this robust. To me, the only thing this could mean is that 343 wants everyone to buy multiple copies in order to play co-op.
Or multiple gamepass subscriptions.
So it comes down to a money thing
Nah, if that would be the case 343 wouldn't have burnt money into making this much progress, doesn't make sense, they we're truly and sincerely aiming to deliver it, there's no doubt. A studio doesn't go along the torture of optimizing an open world FPS for the Xbox One VCR for the sake of it.
@@Cosmycal instead they'll focus on micro transactions
and live gold. and a 2nd xbox.
As discussed in this video, this is an example of the 'Live Service' aspect of Halo causing other features to take a hit because they can't keep up with the demand of a GaaS, but I would argue that that's not even the case. This is the first 'Live Service' halo game, but even without that name applied to it, the amount of content and features of this game on and post release pale in comparision to previously released titles. Other Halo games have traditionally shipped with more features and at a much greater level of polish.
Halo Infinite on launch had no (split-screen) Co-op, no Forge mode, no mission replay, very few game types or playlists, very bare bones Custom game features, no real progression system, theater is an incomplete broken mess, and the general level of UI/UX and polish isn't great.
Meanwhile only one Arena and one BTB map have been added in the first year after launch, which is only a fraction of the content that other Halo games have gotten post release.
Live service sounds more like an excuse for shipping an incomplete game, which is funny since every other game before it had a much more steady stream of content after launch.
Guys, it’s called “The Square superimposed by other Square Button” and the other button is called “The line, line, line button”. You guys are supposed to be technical professionals here, so let’s get this right next time.
I really hope they un-cancel splitscreen, I was really looking forward to playing through the campaign with my partner, how can they remove such a core feature to Halo? Social features such as splitscreen are the lifeblood of the Halo franchise
343…you have some explaining to do
343 industries more like 343 contractors 😎😎😎
I haven't played Halo Infinite yet, but I hope this (exploit?) isn't patched out by the time I get round to it. The Co-op looks really solid!
Sadly, it's really probable that this is getting patched. 343 only patches fun campaign glitches
@@bosyogurtlight I feel there is hope. Their call to axe splitscreen has had, I think, the most backlash to anything they've done thus far. The studio is being reorganized(finally). Maybe splitscreen will get readded to the development goals.
@@bosyogurtlight it can’t get forcibly patched. So if you put it on an Xbox and don’t allow automatic updates, you’ll have that version forever.
@@T00muchF00Dchannel The glitch requires access to your online friends list and game updates are forced if you are online and launch the game.
I always hated how the viewmodels were culled in split screen like this. Halo 1 did it right - You see the first person gun in its entirety like you normally would, its just shrunk slightly to fit better. From Halo 2 onwards they took this clipped gun approach.
Halo MCC remedied this thankfully, it's about the crosshair placement which is lowered by default.
Infinite has a way to adjust your view model positions!
@@LateNightHalo Yeah I know for single player full screen, but does it work in split screen? It also only allows translation, you cannot scale the viewmodel. That wouldn't help with how its initially setup here.
Glad you have this on the internet to highlight the shortcomings of 343. I grew up playing halo like this with my dad and hoped to with my daughter. Sad they couldn’t roll this out
Exactly, my daughter has been looking forward to playing on coop as well.
@@ChimobiHD My son turns 11 this month... we were ready :(
Man, these comments break my heart. I'm so sorry Spartans. Stay strong.
This is the most important video you guys have made in a while...up there with the best of video game journalism. Now we know this was not only already worked on, but it was also quite advanced in its implementation. 343 will have to spin a different lie besides 'lack of resources' if they want to continue keeping this out.
"Besides the 30fps mode that was kinda trash" Lmfao gotta love kids haha
This is awesome. I would really love for split screen co-op to come back in general. So many friends who want to play these games who visit you don’t necessarily ever intend to buy a console but they’d love to sit down and play some games split screen couch co-op. Or if my brother comes over. Playing online multiplayer is not always the most fun way to share video games, sometimes it’s great to sit in the same room, share a pizza and laugh and hangout in real life. We could’ve played a lot of Back 4 Blood with my brother like we used to play Left 4 Dead if only it had split screen co-op. We often end up playing older consoles because of this.
It's almost if the upper management at 343 is incompetent and not fit for the task.
Dude Xbox is rotton to the core
Wild stuff, and I really do hope 343 backpedals with footage and info like this circulating online. The only major concern I would have is if save data is corrupted, which you illustrate is not an issue for you - and would obviously need to be ironed out before it's released even in a beta.
Honestly, if it released with everything detailed here, all the minor visual glitches, and just made sure saves are rock solid secured, I would be happy.
What the hell is 343 doing
I feel like Rich is slowly getting his son ready to take his place and that kinda hurts
My first playthroughs of the campaigns in 2, 3, ODST, and Reach were in split screen with a buddy. Split screen campaign co-op is a fundamental part of Halo's identity for me. It absolutely blows my mind that 343 spent so much time fixing all sorts of issues in the MCC, but they can't be bothered to finish Infinite's split-screen that is already mostly implemented. I stopped playing Infinite's campaign shortly after reaching the Tower, as I wanted to wait for them to finish the damn game and fix the VSync bug. Looks like I'm going to be waiting for a very, very long time.
I'm glad this is being talked about. I love the idea of split screen, more games need it. I hope it makes a come back.
12:31 funny how the "restart match" button reverts you to the previous checkpoint despite there not actually being a restart checkpoint button in the normal campaign.
I was so eager to see tou guys cover this. While not as popular today, split-screen is what made Halo back in the day. I can't picture myself back in 2001 whiteout being able to play with my friends and family. By the way, MCC on PC still doesn't have Split-screen but they are planning on pushing micro-transactions, go figure...
U can do halo splitscreen through the nucleus coop software. It basically makes your pc run two instances of the game and then u can play with each other through lan or online on the same screen. Very impressive software imo. PC games usually gets the short end of the stick with local/couch multiplayer so nucleus coop helps resolve some of the problems. You can play other games on it as well like borderlands, etc.
They just canceled the microtransactions in MCC in yesterday's blog post.
@@yousafkhan6921 Yes, while I appreciate Nucleus and have used it in many instances I can't justify them not prioritizing auch feature when people paid full price. Besides it is a matter of game preservation. I have participated in the testing flights for both mcc and Inf and you get to see how they just ignore many problematic things the community find in the builds.
Glad to hear John say that the campaign in Halo 5 is "quite well made". I like it a lot myself, 4 & 5 are my favorite traditional campaigns, though Infinite ultimately takes the crown with its open world.
I loved Halo 4's campaign, but 5 is easily the weakest Halo campaign I've played. I'll finish Reach, I haven't played ODST. Despite that, I still maintain it's worth playing for series fans. The plot was bad, but most levels were well designed, and even the bad plot didn't stop the voice actors from doing a good job. Music was also good.
@@vincentvermilya1365
I can see that making Cortana the villain would upset fans.
Now, Cortana was set up to be all glitched out in Halo 3, and if Naughty Dog can get credit for being gutsy enough to kill a main character then we should also give credit to 343 for making Cortana the main antagonist.
Halo 4 I think had the best story/storytelling, but I've never cared about a Halo story.
@@charoleawood It's not making her the villain that's the problem, it's how it happened. Halo 4 had a fantastic story arc about Cortana and it made you hope that she'd survive up until the very end when you finally realise it wasn't meant to be. Her arc should have been over right there and the story was clearly written as such. It was a tragic but beautiful ending and Halo 5 resurrected her without any kind of believable explanation and retroactively ruined a lot of what made Halo 4 so special.
That said, Halo 5's campaign is a lot of fun to play IMO and has some very cool locations and set pieces. It just absolutely ruined the story unfortunately.
@@Maryokutaizero
I get that. I just disagree about it being "absolutely ruined" by the story.
I think the story and storytelling in Ninja Gaiden 3 is terrible, but I still feel that the game is good and fun to play (the Razor's Edge version, anyhow).
I'm as big a Ninja Gaiden fan as you're likely to meet, some fans would say that NG3 is garbage, I just want a fun game and both NG3 and Halo 5 deliver on that front.
After so much backlash about this and the fact it pretty much works anyway I be shocked to see if it's not uncancled moving forward... It was definitely a big stab in the heart. Just like you I've played through all the halos with people close to me, and have been waiting a year to play the infinite campaign.
Yeah they were super far along. Would be a shame to throw all that work in the trash.
20:45 it was that moment that we all realized that grunts were, in fact, a pair of pants in disguise
"As one of the most prominent studios belonging to one of the wealthiest companies in the entire world, we do not have the resources to implement a feature that's almost completed into the latest chapter of one of gaming's biggest franchises."
Yeah, that makes sense...
because the games revenue comes from micro transactions from multiplayer... single player is just an afterthought, plus it can be pirated anyway
@@visceraeyes525 piracy is console is like 0.00000001%
What a crock of shit - I played all the halo campaigns through with my son over the past few years and this year I bought an Xbox series X halo edition and have spent all day trying to get into a coop game to play this final saga! We are both devastated!!!
It’s heartwarming hearing your son say they liked playing split screen. My brother and I used to play a lot of halo 3 together back in the day. We’re all older now. Watching this makes me miss those times very much.
I don’t know what’s holding them back and I know things may be more difficult than it seems to get things working, but I hope they will push through and bring it to completion.
Really awesome that you got your son to experience splitscreen coop. He seemed like he had a lot of fun. Hopefully someone at 343 sees that and they go back and properly implement it for him.
For him? Excuse me! There are tons of people that wants it, including me, my wife and our friends.
"Painful learnings".
I wish her no ill will.... but I'm glad she's not running 343 anymore.
Perfect timing!
If you follow the gaming industry for long you know that leaders, when quitting, never say the precise reason of why the are leaving.
I don't doubt she has family issues, but it wasn't only that.
We all know it and eurogamer as well, hence this video showing her promises unfulfilled
I feel bad for all the hate she's getting in a time like this, but after seeing Last Spartan Standing flop, split screen coop get cancelled when it was almost done, and the staff attrition, I feel like 343 has a chance to right the ship. I'm not 100% sold it was just Bonnie though, I like Phil, but I suspect he could've funded 343 better. Whatever the case, Halo Infinite needs better decision making to make the comeback it deserves.
Wow, when I heard about this, I wasn't expecting it to work that well. I'm surprised that they don't offer it as a beta version with separate save files to at least make the file corruption issue less harmful.
Shame that they decided to stop work on a feature for the $60 campaign to focus on the f2p portion (that so many of us were opposed to from the start).
343 needs to sort out their employees and Phil Spencer might need to step in
Two prominent employees in 343 have already left, albeit one was due to family illness but still...
The leadership has also been restructured. I think it's safe to say that 343 are already sorting out their employees.
I'm all for the management shakeup going on at 343, I hope it means good things for Halo going forward.
Actually local coop (whether it's split screen or something else) it what is made consoles worth bying originally.
Battle City, Contra, Sonic, Super Smash Bros., Mortal Kombat, Diablo, Metal Slug, Twisted Metal, Duke Nukem 64, DOOM, Rainbow Six, Turok, Hexen, Tekken, Quake II...
Damn, consoles are intended to play together with friends on a couch.
And, why the hell it was cancelled? Lower the graphics a bit, reduce visible distance to make it 60fps, polish these minor bugs for 1-2 months at least and let us play! I am Software Engineer, and I know how this pipeline works. Graphics is the last thing I care about, playing coop.
I believe this decision was definitely made by fucking management, which cares only about money.
It's a shame that we don't get major titles with split-screen anymore, which is why me and my brother really appreciated A Way Out and It Takes Two.
Those VCR tapes I never got around to returning to Blockbuster Video actually work on the Xbox One VCR.
It's crazy what's happening with this game. The story (at least most of it) and gameplay are really great. Actually the gameplay is near perfect for a Halo game. It's unbelievable that 343 is "ending" their 3rd Halo game this fast with no extra content and a consistent roadmap. As a Halo fan, it's really sad to see this happening. In the first month I thought Infinite would be a great comeback for the Halo franchise :/
Nothing about Infinite is ending though? The video with Staten said they're looking to have 12 week seasons in the future and that Season 3 in March 2023 is "the beginning" for more regular/Live Infinite support and content drops. Who knows if they'll actually deliver of course but I don't think anyone has suggested the game is "ending" in any way.
@@LugerCreations yes the company isn't ending it but the players are leaving it for the lack of content and real upgrades to it's system. I know they are coming in the future but I don't know if it will be too late, unfortunately...
@@fabricioacm playerbase has cratered since launch for sure. It is free to play though so I don't think there's any reason to write the game off entirely. Having a meaningful progression system, more maps, social game modes, and better store/live content could all revive the playerbase.
The game isn't ending for 343 and for me in particular, Infinite still has a lot of potential.
I think it could still be salvaged, like Destiny 2 or No Man's Sky.
Very cool of them to announce this after everyone’s already bought the game.
It makes me so mad to see that split screen co-op was so far along, like outside of the few glitches you pointed it, this looks like a pretty much finished feature. Why they would just kill it off makes no sense after they promised it would be in the game and looks like they were so close to finishing it out. I want to try this glitch for my self with my dad because I’ve wanted to play Infinite split screen with him since that first campaign demo dropped.
343 really are unfathomably incompetent.
I’d choose 1080p 30fps split screen over 4k 120fps on my own
100%
I don't know if the cancellation is just a 'its there, we won't patch it out, but we don't want to take the liabilities of any bugs people encounter so if they play splitscreen it'll be on them for playing it unofficially.'
Idk they have a history of patching out unofficial features/bugs that make the game better
Call for the return standards of:
- LAN
- P2P
- Adhoc
- Split screen
- Bots
All multiplayer options that can be done without the use of corporate servers and services.
*I suspect that is the reason those multiplayer features have been stripped by the games industry over the decades in order to sell multiplayer services.
The lovely but ironically bad buzzword LIVE SERVICE!
As a social experience I rate same-screen multiplayer above any type of online multiplayer. Online multiplayer is more convenient and can be more ambitious, as you're not having to share one machine's processing power and a single screen, but it doesn't deliver the same type of experience as beating a game side-by-side with someone, or the same emotions as destroying a group of friends (or being destroyed!) at Mario Kart in person. It's different, and it's still worth preserving. Not to mention obviously it only requires one console and one copy of the game to play, so it's more accessible.
Aww. Love the cameo from John's son!! That's so cool. Yea, I am still so curious why they cancelled this. So weird. haha. Well, here's to hoping they have a small team working on it in secret and can bring it back in full sometime in the future. Perhaps this is something that they need more work on behind the scenes and wanted to just do the negative news out of the way first, while the good news come back in the future.
They obviously put a lot of work into it.. so.. iono!
I have a twin sister, and any game we bought we made sure had a co-op mode with it. Halo was one of those games and the fact 343 flat out killed spliscreen co-op especially in this state is absolutely heartbreaking and I hope they backtrack on this.
They didn't kill co-op, just split-screen. Stop spreading misinformation.
There needs to be a petition set up to make them implement it, since it obviously works. I'll sign it.
I think everyone should take note of the fact that if you can glitch splitscreen in the game and it works with no issues, it means all the work is already done. They literally said no to splitscreen that has already been coded. These soulless corporate suits literally just didn't want to make it accessible. What does that tell you about 343?
I really appreciate you guys putting this video out there. This deserves a lot of attention. 343 is truly confusing, but they just recently started changing leadership. I'm hoping we get positive change and make Halo good again. Right now, I just don't enjoy this game.
How 343 mis mangaged and destroyed this game is beyond shameful. Even watching that keynote where Bonnie addressed the split screen is so drab. I wish them all the best but I hope they never get the opportunity to destroy another Halo game.
all microsoft keeping the IP from bungie well buying, just made halo well worse, 343 didn't make halo or build its world, bungie did.
Dont just blame 343 Xbox mismanage everything you can't blame 343 for the rest of the poor showing from Xbox
@@TristanTheVRGamecat 343 Has failed to make a good Halo game for years. They are to blame just as much as Microsoft.
@@Krytern blame Phil Spencer... He is the head of xbox. Whatever the head says the developers will do it. This is more like a business decision rather than technical incompetence of 343 developers.
The fact is though, they made a great game! They just can’t polish the last few parts to get to the finish line. After all the damn effort that must have gone into such a great campaign .. crazy they’d drop the ball now.
343 bring it back.
I think alot of what you're discussing with some surprise regarding the support for this "workaround" is present because it has to be. Network co-op is not cancelled. This all would need to be there for that.
Wow, that is crazy, I would love to see them bring this as a beta feature as mentioned granted they can fix the save corruption issue. I would rather play co-op with some bugginess then not be able to at all, it is just so much more fun when you can play with your friends and the gameplay is obviously so much fun in Infinite.
I defended 343 a lot in the past, I genuinely enjoyed Halo 4 and Halo Infinite, I even enjoyed the Halo Infinite MP for a number of months, but they haven't fixed the issues with frame pacing, they haven't fixed the dynamic resolution issue and they are cancelling features which should have been there at launch. 343 clearly have no grip on how to develop a game of this scale and MS should take some action to right the ship.
While it’s not perfect, I highly suggest turning off the in game v-sync and if you get screen tearing, use your gpu v-sync in the control software like nvidia has
It runs pretty good for me apart from maybe a major lag spike every so often.
Yeah, same here. I defended 343 a lot, they've made mistakes, but they've also done good. Halo 4 campaign, Halo 5 multiplayer (aside from no split screen), the MCC redemption arc, and Infinite's launch were all great. Infinite Season 2 was questionable, and when I first heard split screen coop was being cancelled even on next gen, I thought maybe development was dragging them down. But after seeing how close it is to release worthy, the lack of V Sync fixes, and escalating staff attrition, I'm concerned. I still think 343 can fix this, but they need a management shake up and money from Xbox to hire up.
Ah, just like his old man, the little Linnemann.^^
So cool to put his comment in the Video.:-)
DF puts it beautifully: 343 decided to give priority to live service features that were never a part of Halo until this game and arguably made the game worse while neglecting a feature that had been present since the very first game 21 years ago. True decision masters at 343, especially when this was so far along it almost feels complete.
I actually think Halo Infinite as a live service is a good idea. MCC almost certainly sold more copies due to the additional maps and armor they released. But it shouldn't come before the base game. If they didn't have armor microtransactions and battle passes until they finished coop, split screen coop, and Forge, it wouldn't be a big deal to me. But they tried to milk the game as live service before 343 was ready to commit to a roadmap, and it's killed the playerbase. I think 343 can turn this around like the MCC, but this was completely avoidable, and probably isn't sustainable either.
I can see 343’s new leadership resurrecting this at some point in a future season update, I think they announced it hoping there wasn’t much demand and were caught off guard how the news blew up in the Halo community and game media.
I think they can fix it like MCC, but I doubt they expected low demand. Selling microtransactions and battle passes for a quick buck, and putting multiplayer modes that flopped ahead of coop and Forge was short sighted. It feels like they expected Bioware magic to sustain the game, and that isn't what happened. A shame considering how fun the campaign, Team Slayer, and Capture the Flag are. So close, but so far.
I must have played the original halo twenty times with different people in coop and had a blast every time. There was nothing else like it, it's why it was such a success. To not include it is totally foolish.
Greedy not foolish and too separate families and friends from, having fun
I think my favourite thing about this video is just how you can tell just how proud John is of being able to share this with his son.
Phil Spencer should fire whoever made the decision to cancel online coop especially after them saying it would be back after 5
They should finish making this, and release it for PC as well. It would go a long way to making this so fun. Also, why don't they have a battle royale? seems like it would be amazing. Use vehicles, huge beautiful world/map to fight on. power ups, weapons around, just seems like a no brainer. We need a new one too with others getting old.
Battle Royale represents everything that's wrong with the gaming industry these days.
I feel like battle royale already flopped with Last Spartan Standing. I don't disagree that it could be good, but this is why they keep delaying and cancelling updates like this. They need to focus on what Halo is known for, Forge and coop, and then they can do a battle royale. They can't rush out a half baked clone, give Reddit a real reason to be angry about (cancelling split screen coop when it was almost done), and then fail to concentrate on finishing anything. This is how Valve took 13 years to deliver Half Life Alyx.
I'm still mad about it. What about releasing an halo 5 coop update to apologize. nah ofc not: money
8:57 “Except the 30fps mode, that one looked kinda trash” 😂😂😂
The fact it’s working pretty well with only minor visual glitches tells me there’s gotta be like 6 contract workers working on this game at a time.
I really liked Halo Infinite campaign but would been so much better with cooperative gameplay(on and offline)
If they can kill halo, they’ll kill CoD
I am I’m repeating everyone but it’s just amazing how they choked on the simple layup of Halo defacto’s. When I jumped in I was puzzled they didn’t have Slayer and other modes and then after years not getting split screen is just ..man what a train wreck.
343i: "I can't do it, I-I'm too weak" -Emperor "I _AM_ the senate!" Palpatine
Halo Fans, literally everyone, and now Digital Foundry: "BULLSHIT!!!!!"‐ George Carlin
343i is one of the biggest clown town devs in the business. 10 years of having this franchise and they just brought the Halo name to the ground. It's time to give the Halo franchise to another dev.
Go woke go broke...
They need to bring couch co op, it’s unbelievable how incompetent 343 are
Guys we need to work on the DF audio. I thought John’s mic just sounded like hollow garbage- but actually it’s the mix when John and Alex’s mics are both hot. Sounds brutal, please work on this it’s very noticeable.
Really appreciate you putting this together and I agree with the many comments that 343 is out of touch with their customers. As many others have said, I played local co-op in all older Halo titles and the ONLY reason I bought Halo Infinite was so I could play local co-op with my son. At the time I bought it, I didn't realize it wasn't a feature in the game and was SUPER angry when I found out! Make split-screen campaign co-op a priority and release it 343!!! Get back in touch with your community!