Great instructional video on chine walking. So many people told me “you just need to make corrections when it happens.” But never how to do it. When I was learning the old owner of Gambler, Bob. told me to go out by myself in open water and every time it started to walk to make quick snaps to the left and then back to center. This really helped me with the feel more than anything else. Hopefully be able to replace my 2004, 2100dc with a new model soon. Thank you again for the great video!
Thanks for feedback!! I'm glad you found it helpful! We all face the same learning curve, and hear all the same array of advice after our first taste of chine walk. As you mentioned, it's largely just getting the feel for the boat and how it responds, but I thought a little video footage might be helpful and maybe even speed up the process a little for some. I'm certainly looking forward to making more videos about getting the most out of your boat, piloting it safely and effectively, and all kinds of various aspects of setting up you rigs, etc. Thanks again for the response, and the support!! Look forward to meeting you whenever you decide to upgrade to your new G! The all-new 21 Gambler in that video is hands down the most impressive boat I've had the pleasure of piloting to date. If you like your 2100 you'll LOVE the new 21.
Good video & advice. Most people don't take the time to learn how to really drive. When I put my 300x on my Bullet, it took me awhile to learn about the things you discussed. For example; proper load distribution and the subtle trim and steering needed. It's funny how the guys plowing the water love to tell you how their boats never chine walk.
Sorry for some of the on screen elements being out of place. Software kept moving them randomly whenever I'd save the video. Finally just gave up, and rolled with it as is.
Great advice. Birds always flip me out. One of my pilots hit a turkey buzzard in his F18 Hornet on his last flight of his tour with us on a low level run down at pine castle here in Florida. Sad funeral for sure. So when I'm flying on the water I'm scanning nonstop 😁😆
Awesome video can you make a few more or do you take someone on to learn on there own boats I'm picking up a 2000 gambler intimadator tomorrow with a 250 sho . I've had boats all my life with 225 and recently a 250 X's and run 70 fine but never really experienced chine walk until my brothers triton,geez that boat to me is undrinkable above 65. But it has a lot left in it but can't get the seat outta my butt to handle it
Thanks man!! Lol! Sounds like your rear-end is telling you that your brother might need to move some weight around in his Triton. The first step in setup is always to try and get the boat to sit as close to perfectly level in the water with you at the wheel as possible. I mean with a bubble level too, not just eyeballing it. I've seen boats go from undrivable and dangerous, to one-handed diving at WOT just by moving all the tackle (heavier) into the port rod locker, and rods (lighter) over to the starboard rod locker to balance things out. I'll be doing a LOT of videos in the future, and would be happy to do exactly what you're suggesting. In fact, I don't know where you're located, but if you wanted to come by the plant with your boat we could do the video with you and your Intimidator. We're about 5 minutes from Lake Marion, where we could run the boat.
I'm in Monroe ga,I would love too but I do not have the G anymore I got a 2014 fx20 with the 250 sho. It's my brothers triton that is just to me unsafe and he wants to drive it fast and I can take the chine to a point and he has no clue what he's doing and if I can't than he may get hurt . It's a 04 21ft triton with a 225 hammer ox66,this is a fast ass hull M no doubt in my mind that 80 is not outta the picture high 70s for sure. I know a little on chine but the pucker factor on his rig is a 8 outta 10. We have moved things around and even with a light load and just me but I'm 62 300lbs I can get it to about 71 72 but it's still for plenty more, I'm not sure but I think maybe his motor has had some work if not its the strongest 225 I've ever been on . Whole shot awesome up on plane in 3to4 sec tops spinning a 27p bravo1 with some cup. With trim at 3/4 it's at about 5500 but will spend to 6300.thats must be a built motor I'm assuming
@@GamblerBassBoats just wanted to add my new to me fx20 literally drives itself ,no chine skinny a 25t2 at 6k at 74.9 gas with my fat butt and all my gear 48 gallon of fuel,0 chine ,truly a beautiful thing
@@cheetoz6902 that's awesome, congrats on the new ride!! Most boats arent' going to require any steering input for balancing until the mid to upper 70's. Sometimes the design aspects that make a hull stable at 70-75 are also what prevents it from being able to reach 80-85. More speed with the same HP = less boat in the water = more driver input. The boat in this video weighs the same as your FX20, is 3" longer, and runs 83-84 mph with the same motor and 3 people in the boat (with a 29" Bravo). If mid 70's is all you need then there's no reason to spend more money on a Gambler if a Skeeter is all you need.
@@GamblerBassBoats thanks for the info and yes I got the skeeter just on a family friend deal. I paid 30k for a 2014 fx20 that is worth 45k. That's why I bought it. I will have a newer gambler I hope in 2 years hopefully a 21 model. But I just got the sho flashed from nizpro and all I can say is wow. I was about 74.4 or so at 5800 and now my wholeshot midrange and unknown topend is truly unbeleivable. No disrespect to any g ever but this hull is a great hull and I got to 77 today and still more to go . They say 354 crank so I'm thinking a safe 305 prop. Really made a new boat . Really . Anyways God bless and yes GAMBLER ARE AWESOME BOATS and skeeters arent terrible . Damn sure isnt a nitro but still mass produced
These tips are very helpful although I have a couple questions. I'm brand new to high performance boats and I've never experienced the chine walk until now. I have a 01 triton that's starts at about 64 and I'm just terrified to go anymore on trim. I always end up trimming down as I feel it's gonna get away from me. So what are some starting tips you have for someone new(brand new) to the chine walk? Also when you counter the nose dip are you just turning into the opposite directions for resistance or is it quick jerks of the wheel the opposite direction to counter it? Just asking as I'm not sure if the video is sped up
Hey Brian! So none of the video was faster than normal, just slowed down in a couple spots. So when the boat starts falling left or right you use the motors thrust to stand it back up straight. Just like a jet ski. As you know, when you steer a boat to the right it leans right, so when it's falling off pad to the left you'd give it a gentle nudge to the right to stand it back up. I know a guy who had an early 2000's triton that would chine really bad when transitioning up to pad in the mid 60's. He said prop work helped him a ton. Proper weight balancing left and right in the boat can also make or break things. You need to get your load as even as you can. If you have separate live wells you can use/fill the port when you're running solo to help balance things.
Nope, not American Marne Sports anymore... We (Hat Creek Marine Corp.) purchased all of the bass boat assets, molds, and brands from AMS in 2019 and relocated manufacturing to Santee, SC. We trained with AMS for 9 months before we relocated the molds, and it's been a long road, but we're now turning out the first production boats in the new plant! We should be posting pictures of boat 001 in the next week or two.
@@GamblerBassBoats Michael Price at AMS went to high school with me and he is good friends with my brother and me. I have been to the plant in Groveland a few times to see them build Gambler, Shearwater, & Sterling boats. They always built great looking boats that run well. I have an Allison XB2002, but Gambler is one hell of a boat. People should look at Gambler and take ride before they buy some mainstream brands like Ranger, Triton, etc. Gambler is far superior.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, chine walking is when the boat kind of starts falling off center to one side as it cruises along on plane. For years, we had a 21' deck boat that at around 56mph would start oscillating back and forth and the oscillations would amplify until I backed off the throttle. I always thought that was chine walking, but now I'm not so sure. Your thoughts?
What you're describing sounds exactly like chine walking. Basically, whenever the boat leans to one side that side then has more water contact and generates more lift, which heaves it back in the opposite direction. The same physics apply to all v-hull boats; however, the designs obviously vary greatly so the magnitude of the oscillations and the speeds at which they occur will too. If the boat was loaded severely off-balance from port to starboard it will also make the oscillations appreciably worse, or even cause them to occur when they otherwise wouldn't. There is another similar phenomenon that's caused by the angle of attack of the hull being too steep for a certain set of circumstances. This is most noticeable when idling around or when there is too much positive trim angle.
@@GamblerBassBoats Thanks for the information. Now I can sleep easy at night. LOL You know... I had been wondering all those years what that was and I don't have any friends that are more knowledgeable about stuff like that than I am. We sold that boat last year and bought a deep V aluminum boat with less than half the power. I'm guessing that chine walking is a thing relegated to my past. LOL
That's a great question because you do have to "do some things" in order to set the boat up for turns. What you do really depends on how tight of a turn you're trying to make, and at what speed. If you're making a big gradual sweeping turn you can often just keep the pedal down, but you oftentimes you have to make a lot more steering corrections during the turn depending on the speed, load balance etc. Sometimes you almost break it down into a bunch of small turns if that makes any sense. Turn until it starts to act up, straighten it up, rebalance, and then make another small turn. If you need to make a more abrupt or sharper turn then you typically have to bring the boat down off of pad, trim down to "around" 50% (varies with hull design and load out, prop, etc) and then make your maneuver. Lowering the jack plate way down will also improve the boat's cornering by providing a larger rudder to steer with, as well as improving the prop's ability to maintain bite throughout the turn.
@@HookEmUp2012 You bet! Anytime man. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any other questions, or if there is something that you think I "might" be able to help out with. Even if I don't have a particular answer, I'll do whatever I can to try and help you find it from a legit source!
Actually @DrvenAuthority916, all v-bottom boats do actually "chine walk" at a certain point. The only question is if a hull is efficient enough to air itself out without exceeding the mfg's maximum rated horsepower. Two important things to consider... A) Gamblers don't chine walk either if you're only running in the low 70's, which is where the boats you've mentioned usually max out with a 225-250; and B) A Champion will absolutely start walking and requiring steering input at around 73-74 mph... I know because I own one. Another item to ponder... A new Ranger L-boat with a 250 SHO maxes out in the upper 60's. A new 21'9" Gambler weighs 100-200 lbs more than the Ranger but still runs nearly 15 mph faster with the exact same motor. What's the difference? → How much hull is touching the water. What makes a boat not chine walk? → Lot's of boat touching the water.
Man...I was fishing a tournament one morning on a smaller lake in Western Kentucky and as I made my way up the left arm of this lake, I noticed something bobbing in the middle of the channel that is not there normally. Yep. It was a deer. Nice buck was just swimming out in this narrow chute where the channel ran. Blew my mind. Always watch for deer in the water now!
That's amazing Mathew! Is it a catamaran? If not I'd certainly like to hear more about your setup! What boat is it, and what's it weigh? What motor, how much setback, speeds, etc. etc.? Thanks for sharing!!
Lol at all the slow down why you have to run fast comments. I hear it all the time. Why you need to run 75+, you can’t fish that fast? Lol I tell then well I can fish at 40 either but at 75+ I can get there faster and have more time to fish.
Great instructional video on chine walking. So many people told me “you just need to make corrections when it happens.” But never how to do it. When I was learning the old owner of Gambler, Bob. told me to go out by myself in open water and every time it started to walk to make quick snaps to the left and then back to center. This really helped me with the feel more than anything else. Hopefully be able to replace my 2004, 2100dc with a new model soon. Thank you again for the great video!
Thanks for feedback!! I'm glad you found it helpful! We all face the same learning curve, and hear all the same array of advice after our first taste of chine walk. As you mentioned, it's largely just getting the feel for the boat and how it responds, but I thought a little video footage might be helpful and maybe even speed up the process a little for some. I'm certainly looking forward to making more videos about getting the most out of your boat, piloting it safely and effectively, and all kinds of various aspects of setting up you rigs, etc. Thanks again for the response, and the support!! Look forward to meeting you whenever you decide to upgrade to your new G! The all-new 21 Gambler in that video is hands down the most impressive boat I've had the pleasure of piloting to date. If you like your 2100 you'll LOVE the new 21.
@@GamblerBassBoats Looking forward to it!
Good video & advice. Most people don't take the time to learn how to really drive. When I put my 300x on my Bullet, it took me awhile to learn about the things you discussed. For example; proper load distribution and the subtle trim and steering needed. It's funny how the guys plowing the water love to tell you how their boats never chine walk.
Thanks Steve!!
Sorry for some of the on screen elements being out of place. Software kept moving them randomly whenever I'd save the video. Finally just gave up, and rolled with it as is.
Great advice. Birds always flip me out. One of my pilots hit a turkey buzzard in his F18 Hornet on his last flight of his tour with us on a low level run down at pine castle here in Florida. Sad funeral for sure. So when I'm flying on the water I'm scanning nonstop 😁😆
I love gamblers console designs
Awesome video can you make a few more or do you take someone on to learn on there own boats I'm picking up a 2000 gambler intimadator tomorrow with a 250 sho . I've had boats all my life with 225 and recently a 250 X's and run 70 fine but never really experienced chine walk until my brothers triton,geez that boat to me is undrinkable above 65. But it has a lot left in it but can't get the seat outta my butt to handle it
Thanks man!! Lol! Sounds like your rear-end is telling you that your brother might need to move some weight around in his Triton. The first step in setup is always to try and get the boat to sit as close to perfectly level in the water with you at the wheel as possible. I mean with a bubble level too, not just eyeballing it. I've seen boats go from undrivable and dangerous, to one-handed diving at WOT just by moving all the tackle (heavier) into the port rod locker, and rods (lighter) over to the starboard rod locker to balance things out. I'll be doing a LOT of videos in the future, and would be happy to do exactly what you're suggesting. In fact, I don't know where you're located, but if you wanted to come by the plant with your boat we could do the video with you and your Intimidator. We're about 5 minutes from Lake Marion, where we could run the boat.
I'm in Monroe ga,I would love too but I do not have the G anymore I got a 2014 fx20 with the 250 sho. It's my brothers triton that is just to me unsafe and he wants to drive it fast and I can take the chine to a point and he has no clue what he's doing and if I can't than he may get hurt . It's a 04 21ft triton with a 225 hammer ox66,this is a fast ass hull M no doubt in my mind that 80 is not outta the picture high 70s for sure. I know a little on chine but the pucker factor on his rig is a 8 outta 10. We have moved things around and even with a light load and just me but I'm 62 300lbs I can get it to about 71 72 but it's still for plenty more, I'm not sure but I think maybe his motor has had some work if not its the strongest 225 I've ever been on . Whole shot awesome up on plane in 3to4 sec tops spinning a 27p bravo1 with some cup. With trim at 3/4 it's at about 5500 but will spend to 6300.thats must be a built motor I'm assuming
@@GamblerBassBoats just wanted to add my new to me fx20 literally drives itself ,no chine skinny a 25t2 at 6k at 74.9 gas with my fat butt and all my gear 48 gallon of fuel,0 chine ,truly a beautiful thing
@@cheetoz6902 that's awesome, congrats on the new ride!! Most boats arent' going to require any steering input for balancing until the mid to upper 70's. Sometimes the design aspects that make a hull stable at 70-75 are also what prevents it from being able to reach 80-85. More speed with the same HP = less boat in the water = more driver input. The boat in this video weighs the same as your FX20, is 3" longer, and runs 83-84 mph with the same motor and 3 people in the boat (with a 29" Bravo). If mid 70's is all you need then there's no reason to spend more money on a Gambler if a Skeeter is all you need.
@@GamblerBassBoats thanks for the info and yes I got the skeeter just on a family friend deal. I paid 30k for a 2014 fx20 that is worth 45k. That's why I bought it. I will have a newer gambler I hope in 2 years hopefully a 21 model. But I just got the sho flashed from nizpro and all I can say is wow. I was about 74.4 or so at 5800 and now my wholeshot midrange and unknown topend is truly unbeleivable. No disrespect to any g ever but this hull is a great hull and I got to 77 today and still more to go . They say 354 crank so I'm thinking a safe 305 prop. Really made a new boat . Really . Anyways God bless and yes GAMBLER ARE AWESOME BOATS and skeeters arent terrible . Damn sure isnt a nitro but still mass produced
Yea I took a duck to the face at 72 mph .. suffered serious concussion for 6weeks broke wind shield and loss vision in my left eye.
Great video!
Thanks Boss Lady!!
These tips are very helpful although I have a couple questions. I'm brand new to high performance boats and I've never experienced the chine walk until now. I have a 01 triton that's starts at about 64 and I'm just terrified to go anymore on trim. I always end up trimming down as I feel it's gonna get away from me. So what are some starting tips you have for someone new(brand new) to the chine walk? Also when you counter the nose dip are you just turning into the opposite directions for resistance or is it quick jerks of the wheel the opposite direction to counter it? Just asking as I'm not sure if the video is sped up
Hey Brian! So none of the video was faster than normal, just slowed down in a couple spots. So when the boat starts falling left or right you use the motors thrust to stand it back up straight. Just like a jet ski. As you know, when you steer a boat to the right it leans right, so when it's falling off pad to the left you'd give it a gentle nudge to the right to stand it back up. I know a guy who had an early 2000's triton that would chine really bad when transitioning up to pad in the mid 60's. He said prop work helped him a ton. Proper weight balancing left and right in the boat can also make or break things. You need to get your load as even as you can. If you have separate live wells you can use/fill the port when you're running solo to help balance things.
When did Gambler move to South Carolina from Groveland, Florida? Are they still American Marine Sports?
Nope, not American Marne Sports anymore... We (Hat Creek Marine Corp.) purchased all of the bass boat assets, molds, and brands from AMS in 2019 and relocated manufacturing to Santee, SC. We trained with AMS for 9 months before we relocated the molds, and it's been a long road, but we're now turning out the first production boats in the new plant! We should be posting pictures of boat 001 in the next week or two.
@@GamblerBassBoats Michael Price at AMS went to high school with me and he is good friends with my brother and me. I have been to the plant in Groveland a few times to see them build Gambler, Shearwater, & Sterling boats. They always built great looking boats that run well. I have an Allison XB2002, but Gambler is one hell of a boat. People should look at Gambler and take ride before they buy some mainstream brands like Ranger, Triton, etc. Gambler is far superior.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, chine walking is when the boat kind of starts falling off center to one side as it cruises along on plane. For years, we had a 21' deck boat that at around 56mph would start oscillating back and forth and the oscillations would amplify until I backed off the throttle. I always thought that was chine walking, but now I'm not so sure. Your thoughts?
What you're describing sounds exactly like chine walking. Basically, whenever the boat leans to one side that side then has more water contact and generates more lift, which heaves it back in the opposite direction. The same physics apply to all v-hull boats; however, the designs obviously vary greatly so the magnitude of the oscillations and the speeds at which they occur will too. If the boat was loaded severely off-balance from port to starboard it will also make the oscillations appreciably worse, or even cause them to occur when they otherwise wouldn't. There is another similar phenomenon that's caused by the angle of attack of the hull being too steep for a certain set of circumstances. This is most noticeable when idling around or when there is too much positive trim angle.
@@GamblerBassBoats Thanks for the information. Now I can sleep easy at night. LOL
You know... I had been wondering all those years what that was and I don't have any friends that are more knowledgeable about stuff like that than I am. We sold that boat last year and bought a deep V aluminum boat with less than half the power. I'm guessing that chine walking is a thing relegated to my past. LOL
And that is how it's done, thank you
You bet!! Thanks for watching man.!
What about turning at high speeds like that with chine walk, are you slowing down or trimming down a tad to turn?
That's a great question because you do have to "do some things" in order to set the boat up for turns. What you do really depends on how tight of a turn you're trying to make, and at what speed. If you're making a big gradual sweeping turn you can often just keep the pedal down, but you oftentimes you have to make a lot more steering corrections during the turn depending on the speed, load balance etc. Sometimes you almost break it down into a bunch of small turns if that makes any sense. Turn until it starts to act up, straighten it up, rebalance, and then make another small turn. If you need to make a more abrupt or sharper turn then you typically have to bring the boat down off of pad, trim down to "around" 50% (varies with hull design and load out, prop, etc) and then make your maneuver. Lowering the jack plate way down will also improve the boat's cornering by providing a larger rudder to steer with, as well as improving the prop's ability to maintain bite throughout the turn.
@@GamblerBassBoats perfect explanation thank you!! That makes sense
@@HookEmUp2012 You bet! Anytime man. Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any other questions, or if there is something that you think I "might" be able to help out with. Even if I don't have a particular answer, I'll do whatever I can to try and help you find it from a legit source!
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Nice job!!!!
Thanks!
Not all bass boats chime walk. Not my old ranger, viper, or current champion 206. Have buddies with Tritons and Skeeters that chime walk badly
Actually @DrvenAuthority916, all v-bottom boats do actually "chine walk" at a certain point. The only question is if a hull is efficient enough to air itself out without exceeding the mfg's maximum rated horsepower. Two important things to consider... A) Gamblers don't chine walk either if you're only running in the low 70's, which is where the boats you've mentioned usually max out with a 225-250; and B) A Champion will absolutely start walking and requiring steering input at around 73-74 mph... I know because I own one. Another item to ponder... A new Ranger L-boat with a 250 SHO maxes out in the upper 60's. A new 21'9" Gambler weighs 100-200 lbs more than the Ranger but still runs nearly 15 mph faster with the exact same motor. What's the difference? → How much hull is touching the water. What makes a boat not chine walk? → Lot's of boat touching the water.
At what mph do you start to notice the chine in these gambler's?
Typically in the 75 to 80 mph range.
Don't have to worry about deer on the water, but the birds take their place!!
Always something right? Speaking of which... hows the truck coming?
@@GamblerBassBoats going good till I dropped the oil pan and found part of the thrust bearing in the bottom. Time for new bearings.
@@scottbaldwin2291 Like I said.... always something
Man...I was fishing a tournament one morning on a smaller lake in Western Kentucky and as I made my way up the left arm of this lake, I noticed something bobbing in the middle of the channel that is not there normally. Yep. It was a deer. Nice buck was just swimming out in this narrow chute where the channel ran.
Blew my mind. Always watch for deer in the water now!
How about keeping the speed down. Common sense. You wonder how some people made it through the birth canal.
Our boat has a no chine walk hull, doesn’t matter the speed it will not chine walk.
That's amazing Mathew! Is it a catamaran? If not I'd certainly like to hear more about your setup! What boat is it, and what's it weigh? What motor, how much setback, speeds, etc. etc.? Thanks for sharing!!
Yes please tell us more.. If its a 20ish foot v bottom and will not chine walk with your hands off the wheel over 80mph I want to see that!
It's a Tracker
If it's running 70+ they all chine walk. Otherwise they are not a high performance boat
Just slow down. Problem solved. No reason to drive that fast unless is FO SHOW.
Lol at all the slow down why you have to run fast comments. I hear it all the time. Why you need to run 75+, you can’t fish that fast? Lol I tell then well I can fish at 40 either but at 75+ I can get there faster and have more time to fish.
Who wants a boat that chine walks?
All boats chine walk man. It's just a matter of whether or not your hull design is efficient enough to get to it.
Me 😂